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Dan LeBatard
Welcome to the Big sui, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show, the podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBatard podcast?
Greg Cody
I'm sorry.
Dan LeBatard
I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys.
Chris Cote
I've done it.
Dan LeBatard
And now here's the marching man to Nowhere, Fat Face and the Habitual Liar.
Greg Cody
This episode of the Dan Lebatard show is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings. The Crown is yours.
Dan LeBatard
Jeremy, can you please tell me who led college football in yards per game this season? Because I know Mississippi was second even though Chambliss wasn't the starter at the beginning of the season, they averaged almost 500 yards a game. They're putting up 40 points a game in the CFP and it's very different. Miami has held its two College Football Playoff opponents to 17 combined points and it has, you know, two scoreless first half, two scoreless halves in there.
Jeremy
That would be the future. Oklahoma State, North Texas Mean Green and.
Chris Cote
USF is third on that list. And FSU is what, six on that list. Two teams that play tempo. Two teams with, if you look at the numbers, good quarterbacks. Not a quarterback like this. I wholeheartedly agree. Great quarterback. But Miami does hold teams that play with tempo in check.
Mike Ryan
You guys got me offense. You guys got me all scared thinking that these two teams with pace and now Mike's to everyone they played with like, come on, what are we doing?
Greg Cody
Well.
Dan LeBatard
But Miami led the game against FSU by 25 points. And then in the fourth quarter, FSU scored 19 points by running 36 plays in nine minutes of game time. 100.
Chris Cote
It's a problem 100%. And that to your rotation point, I'd be worried about that. Reuben Bain, for as great as he is, I wouldn't categorize him as this high motor player every snap. Like in that FSU game, what did he play? 76 snaps in that game. Miami and Corey Heatherman has spoken to this. They had to learn to bring guys along online. Guys like Herbert Scroggins, guys like Marquis Lightfoot and Armando Blunt. They were not checking into the game at that time.
Stugotz
Still doing the whole snap there.
Mike Ryan
How many games did he play?
Dan LeBatard
There were a number of times. There were a number of times this season, including during the Texas A and M game. Mike, late in the Texas A and M game Where I'm watching Reuben Bay and he was just sort of wandering around out there because he's tired, which.
Chris Cote
Is why we needed rotation development and depth at the start of the season. I said, I don't think Miami has enough on their roster right now to win a national title because I don't believe they have the depth. And I would have continued to say that all the way through smu. And then something clicked. Look, Justin Scott has really come on on the defensive line. Five star. You know about justice Scott, Marquis Lightfoot. I, I saw Marquis Lightfoot in Green Tree and I was like, who is this guy? This guy doesn't look like he's going to amount to anything. His waist is super small. He was a. I'm like, that looks thin. I'm like, that's what a five star is supposed to look like. Dan. His waist is doubled in size and he's learning from Jason Taylor, who if anyone can teach how a slender man how to rush the pass or it'd be him.
Stugotz
You know about that double in size.
Chris Cote
And now he's making impactful plays against top end competition. This is why I'm saying like in. If you want to talk about Miami against tempo, if you want to invoke those games, be fair too. I'm nervous about it too. Hell, I'm one of the first people to invoke SMU and Louisville when it came to this opponent. You have to appreciate that Miami is a totally different team from even a personnel standpoint, not just from a tendency standpoint.
Mike Ryan
Do you appreciate it?
Chris Cote
They have different players.
Greg Cody
You don't appreciate it. Leitar does not appreciate how good Miami is.
Stugotz
Appreciate.
Greg Cody
And listen, that's why Crystal Ball comes.
Mike Ryan
On Greg Cody show.
Stugotz
Yeah, I didn't want to say show 2.0 also.
Greg Cody
Okay, there you go.
Chris Cote
And gain's insight.
Mike Ryan
Oh, imagine that.
Chris Cote
What's that?
Greg Cody
Come on.
Chris Cote
Huh?
Greg Cody
Imagine that. No, because you're. You're a negative guy. You know, you. I say Mario Chris Ball and you think of the way the Georgia Tech game ended two years ago. You got to get past that. We're also obsessed with the fact that this quarterback throws fast. Miami's got an excellent defense. Not a very good run. An excellent defense, especially against the run. Much better than last year against the pass. And one other thing we haven't mentioned is that, look, people are calling them Ole Miss tackles for a reason. For a reason. Ole Miss is half a team. They have a bad defense. Miami's Brob Dignagian line is going to control the line of scrimmage.
Jeremy
What's that word?
Greg Cody
What's that wording?
Dan LeBatard
Can you write it on the telestrator? How do you spell that out for us? How do you spell that word? And what does that word mean?
Greg Cody
It means the University of Miami has five giants on the offensive line.
Dan LeBatard
But what is the word? Say it again.
Mike Ryan
Erase it. Check out the Great Cody Show.
Greg Cody
Rob Ding Nagian. Brob Dingnagian.
Dan LeBatard
It's one word or two words. Is that someone's name?
Mike Ryan
What is that?
Greg Cody
It's one word.
Stugotz
That's a verb.
Mike Ryan
Here we go. So, B.
Dan LeBatard
How many letters are.
Greg Cody
I'm about to spell it, dad.
Mike Ryan
Talk it out as you spell it.
Greg Cody
Rob.
Stugotz
Adverbs.
Greg Cody
Ding.
Mike Ryan
Say what you're spelling. Write your letters.
Greg Cody
Rob Ding.
Chris Cote
Spell it out.
Greg Cody
Nagian Audio. Can you say B, R, O, B, D, I, N, G. Nagin.
Stugotz
That is not a word.
Greg Cody
Miami has a Brobdingnagian offensive line and Mark Fletcher is going to run for days against that defense. They're going to control the line of scrimmage. The top. That's why Miami's going to win this game.
Jeremy
Brob, Ding Nagian. Adjectives. Gigantic.
Dan LeBatard
Put it on the poll, please. Have you ever used. Have you ever heard anyone use the word Brob Dignagian before?
Chris Cote
One last point on Ole Miss. I don't think they're just a quarterback team. They got plenty of talent. He likes to spread around. They got really good wide receivers. But the player that I'm worried about, there's been one running back that really hurt Miami. Really hurt. And he was getting outside on the perimeter, which is not something that we often see. It was Brown from Louisville. Kewan Lacey is a really fantastic football player. He can bounce it outside. I know he's coming into the game carrying an injury, but he's got power. He's a complete back and he can hurt Miami.
Dan LeBatard
Do you realize, Greg, that when you said that I thought that you were referencing a former Giant player. I thought it was three words. I thought his name was Brob Nagian and his nickname was Dig. I thought his middle name was Dig. I thought it was Dig.
Greg Cody
Not Dig.
Chris Cote
Sounded like Dig. You use a 15 letter word when you could just say big.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah, that's really. Well, praise me. Jeremy's an ally there.
Stugotz
I love that.
Dan LeBatard
I'm an ally. Why? Why use three letters when you can use 15 words? That's Jeremy philosophy, Greg. I know.
Chris Cote
Look, you got this weird 2, 0 attitude when what's gotten us here is looking ahead. You're Looking ahead and you're citing historic history in terms of Miami's never lost a national championship game at home. If you want to play that game, don't google their history in the Fiesta Bowl. Don't do it.
Mike Ryan
Greg's looking ahead. Dan's looking back to Georgia Tech a.
Jeremy
Couple of years ago.
Mike Ryan
I mean it's just put it on.
Dan LeBatard
The pole at LeBatard show. Do you now trust Mario Cristobal implicitly to win the big vote?
Chris Cote
Yes.
Dan LeBatard
I want to go back to what it is that happened yesterday in Baltimore. After 18 seasons, the Ravens are one of the most stable franchises in all of sports and Dominique Foxworth proclaimed himself and this bothers me when people do this as shocked but not surprised. And I don't think you can be shocked without being surprised. Put it on the poll at LeBatard show. Can you be shocked without being surprised? Even though I understood what he was saying cuz people were talking for a while that Harbaugh might be in trouble there. But the thing that I want to put in front of you guys is the following. Because I didn't remember this, I had to go look it up to get the specifics of how it is that the last four Raven seasons have ended. Okay, the last four of them. Because obviously in the last game you've got Loop missing a field goal and Pittsburgh gets into the playoffs. And I don't believe any of us would honestly say that Pittsburgh is better than Baltimore. We'd say Aaron Rodgers, the old guy played all the games, Lamar Jackson didn't. Therefore Pittsburgh is in the playoffs. Pittsburgh, I guess Rogers missed one game but Lamar Jackson not being himself is the reason that Baltimore is not in the playoffs. So a missed field goal at the end, which doesn't make them actually any worse, they'd be in the playoffs. That's how this season ends. Last season ends, they're in Buffalo. They got the two point conversion. Mark Andrews drops it at the goal line. That's how that season ends. 2023 Zay Flowers goal line fumble when they're down 177 against the Chiefs in the AFC championship game. And then 2022 with Tyler Huntley right with their backup quarterback. I don't know if you guys remember this wild card game at Cincinnati. He fumbles third and goal at the Bengals one and it's returned 98 yards for the game winning touchdown. That's how their last four seasons have ended. What does that have to do with Harbaugh?
Chris Cote
I get what you're saying, but in going back in time, Dan, you're showing a downward trajectory. They have been getting worse and worse. I think it's pretty clear that Lamar Jackson is diminishing a little bit. And keep in mind, Lamar Jackson saved John Harbaugh's job. They announced a parting of ways. John Harbaugh and the Ravens. Lamar Jackson came in, lit the world on fire, and they decided, you know what, let's keep this together. We're not going to part ways. And then the Ravens are in the conversation. But how much more talent did that Ravens team need to have for people to start worrying about John Harbaugh? What does he bring to the table? He's a special teams guy. I think his greatest skill, the Harbaugh name, they build great staffs, but people poach those guys. Is this guy a Mike McDonald merchant? Like, I, I don't know how you could look at the last year of Baltimore Ravens football and be like, no, this guy's ready to go. I understand why he's a hot candidate. He's a Super bowl champion. So was Brian Billick. And I'm not making that comparison. I'm just saying this is catnip for Miami Dolphin fans. As soon as I saw that news, I thought that Greg Cody had the Lamar Jackson, John Harbaugh, go get him article written in drafts.
Stugotz
Well, but yeah, you can't do the Lamar Jackson, John Harbaugh, go get them. When one of the main reasons Harbaugh was fired was likely because Lamar Jackson didn't want him to be his coach anymore.
Greg Cody
Well, Lamar Jackson had a bad season and with good quarterbacks, have bad seasons. We've said that about tua, who I don't put in anywhere near Lamar Jackson's class. But the Ravens have been a respected, well run franchise until now. The idea that they fire John Harbaugh because a kid kicker missed a 44 yard field goal, which is tantamount to an extra point. It's a chip shot in the modern NFL.
Stugotz
I object to the that it's a chip shot.
Chris Cote
Greg, let's not minimize this saying that it's because a kid missed a field goal.
Greg Cody
Absolutely is.
Stugotz
They lost eight other games.
Chris Cote
They had, they had eight wins. Like that's, that's why he's available.
Greg Cody
Tyler Poop, because Lamar Jackson was injured for a third of the year and Pro bowl quarterbacks, he had a bad season.
Stugotz
That garbage.
Dan LeBatard
That is garbage. What you just did there is garbage. Quarterback. You made Huntley a Pro bowl quarterback just because seven other guys dropped out. That's nonsense. What you just did there. What is happening here Greg, where Mike Ryan is accurately accusing you of having that column already written because Dolphin fans are going to absolutely want just the Harbaugh name. Just, it's just so silly.
Stugotz
I want to know, by the way, Greg, like when the new and the Harbaugh news comes out, what's the process like? Are you already home? So it's like, okay, let me go sit in front of the computer. Do are you out you go home and get in front of the court.
Mike Ryan
Or did you have it pre written weeks ago?
Greg Cody
No, it was not. It was not pre written because I didn't think Harbaugh would be fired. I didn't think Baltimore was that dumb. I said on this air yesterday that the problem I have with the fire the coach mentality is that every time somebody says to me, and it's happened thousands of times, fire, blank Coach, fire McDaniel. And I'm like, who's next? And the answer is always anybody, which is not helpful in the least in this case, the possibility that John Harbaugh is next. If I were the Dolphins, I absolutely would get in line to hire John Harbaugh.
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Chris Cote
Don LeBatard all right, we got to go back out there.
Mike Ryan
That was big. Wake him up.
Dan LeBatard
Oh, he doesn't want. He doesn't want to be bothered anymore. Now it's getting tense because he didn't need that. As a result, he needs something that happens. You can see him.
Mike Ryan
Mother.
Dan LeBatard
Can we bother?
Mike Ryan
Are we bothering you right now?
Dan LeBatard
Turn on your microphone.
Greg Cody
My microphone's on.
Chris Cote
Stugats.
Mike Ryan
Paint the scene.
Greg Cody
The paint the scene is. I gotta go to work. Good night. This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach.
Dan LeBatard
Let me ask this question because I think the media at large does a wildly terrible job of really understanding what it is that coaches do and why it is or how it is that Harbaugh's 16 hour day provides advantages for him that Mike Tomlin can't figure out with his 16 hour day. I think all of that stuff that we do is very poorly done. What is John Harbaugh bringing specifically that you say? I believe that that skill is something Mike McDaniel doesn't have and will never have. Like give me what the things are that you think are coming with him that I suddenly. Because I think that Harbaugh name has some fairy dust and it's just something that's exciting. But that you say that just because he's won there and I don't think, as we just saw with Pete Carroll and countless others, I don't think you can actually take it with you wherever you go. I don't believe that. I believe that the Raiders job is a bad job and I believe that the Dolphins job is a bad job because they don't have quarterbacks.
Greg Cody
I don't disagree with that. I think what you get in John Harbaugh is a man with a fairly impeccable reputation. If you're a big free agent and maybe it's a free agent quarterback, would you rather play for John Harbaugh or Mike?
Dan LeBatard
Mark Jackson doesn't want to play for him. And free agents go where the money is.
Mike Ryan
I feel like a quarterback might say Mike McDaniel, though, in terms of running the offense.
Chris Cote
Can I take a stab at answering the question from talking to other Dolphin fans? And Greg does a great job at that. I think John Harbaugh certainly gives off leadership more than Mike McDaniel. And when you're twisting in the wind looking for answers and you have the. The stammering, I think people are like, let's get an adult. And this, this. This is an adult that has a Lombardi Trophy to his name. This is like catnip for Miami Dolphin fans. They always fall in love with the big name savior, whether they get him or not, whether it works or not, because they feel like that's the way to dig them out of this. But again, look at the seasons. Mike McDaniel had one less win with a far less talented roster and a much more difficult division, I think. And. And yeah, the Ravens had adversity, they had injuries. They also have a really deep ass roster. Mike McDaniel did a pretty good job. When you compare it to the job that John Harbaugh just most recently did.
Mike Ryan
We pull a Virginia Tech, we hire John Harbaugh, and We keep Mike McDaniel as our offensive coordinator.
Dan LeBatard
That has to be so weird for Brent Pry to be like, the next year. Like the next year you're fired as coach in the middle of the season and you come back as coordinator under James Franklin. That has to be so weird for him to sit in the corner and look at some of the same players and be like, you've been demoted because you're not good at your job. You were let go.
Stugotz
My favorite. I see this all the time. Like, even over the last 24 hours since Harbaugh has been fired. How about the Dolphins hire Harbaugh and make Mike McDaniel the offensive coordinator?
Dan LeBatard
Yeah, that's what we just said. Yeah, that's what we were saying.
Stugotz
There are fans that want that.
Greg Cody
Oh, and it makes sense. It's logical.
Stugotz
No, it doesn't.
Chris Cote
Absolutely none of that makes sense.
Greg Cody
No, it doesn't say Mike McDaniel would agree to that, but it would be a perfect marriage. Mike McDaniel is a classic example of a great offensive mind who may or may not be head coach.
Dan LeBatard
Okay, I just. I want to stop you guys just because of this. Okay. I asked you a question that asked for some. Some empirical things I can hold on to as to what it is that Harbaugh brings here and Mike said gives off leadership, and you said, impeccable reputation. That's shit. Like, that's nice. It's optics. It's. It. It has nothing to do with Sundays. Like, gives off leadership, Impeccable reputation.
Greg Cody
You're looking for a guarantee. There's no guarantee.
Dan LeBatard
I'm not looking for a guarantee. I'm looking for vision.
Stugotz
I'll take a stab at it. I'll take a stab at it. For one, I would fire Mike McDaniel today. All right.
Dan LeBatard
Again.
Stugotz
Well, this is. Yeah.
Mike Ryan
So you get the counter.
Dan LeBatard
This is the 50th straight day where you have Mike. It might be more than that. I don't.
Stugotz
I'm not keeping track. I mean, just.
Mike Ryan
It is 48 and we are moving, moving.
Stugotz
I believe I would fire him today.
Dan LeBatard
Right, okay. Like you would the last 49 days as well.
Greg Cody
Like, here's countdown. Where's my click, click, Go on.
Stugotz
Here's the thing. That's my gimmick. Here's the thing. All four. Stephen Ross hires a coach. They're all first year rookie head coaches. They're all coaches with no experience. It's Philbin, it's Adam Gase, it's Brian Flores, and Now it's Mike McDaniel. All of them. Zero experience. None of them have worked. Give me a guy who's got some experience.
Greg Cody
Hello.
Stugotz
Give me somebody who's done it. This is something different. This something new. Now, with that said, Stephen Ross has no chance of being able to land Harbaugh.
Chris Cote
He's a Michigan guy.
Stugotz
He's not. No, he's not. He did not go to Michigan.
Chris Cote
No, no, no. Steven Ross is a Michigan booster, but Harbaugh is not. Well, name, pal. Great hardball name.
Stugotz
He didn't go to Michigan.
Chris Cote
The great hardball name is Michigan.
Greg Cody
Steven Ross tried to hire.
Chris Cote
What are we. What are we doing?
Dan LeBatard
Hire Hardball's mom.
Chris Cote
You think Steven Ross is like, that guy has nothing to do with Michigan.
Dan LeBatard
Come on.
Greg Cody
His daddy has to do with Michigan and so does Jim. Steven Ross tried to hire Jim. Same DNA. You didn't get Jim. Now go for John.
Stugotz
So he's tr. Steven Ross never gets the big hire. He's never been able to get the big hire. And you think after trying to court John, an actual Michigan man, is he Jim or John?
Greg Cody
Jim is the Michigan guy trying to.
Stugotz
Court Jim several times, who's a real actual Michigan man and fails. You don't think that John's like, hey, Jim, why didn't you want to go work for that guy?
Chris Cote
You know why they failed? You want to Google, like, what happened around the pursuit of Jim Harbaugh and how dicey that was? It's like, I understand.
Stugotz
They're literally in the same scenario right now.
Chris Cote
Yeah. I understand why you accused Steven Ross of not being able to get the guy, and he has very famously fumbled it. But, like, his problem is that he's too aggressively trying to get the guy.
Stugotz
Like, if he's playing it cool right.
Chris Cote
Now, like he did with, like, Tom Brady, the Jim Harbaugh thing, he would have got if he played it way cooler.
Stugotz
So he should pretend like he's not interested.
Mike Ryan
Play hard to get.
Dan LeBatard
I understand why it is that everybody wants the experienced coach. You want a name, you've seen someone.
Greg Cody
Do it before, proven not just experience.
Dan LeBatard
But you say this, but six of the 32 NFL teams have made the postseason the last three seasons. Six of them. Sirianni, McDermott, McVay, the Texans, D', Amico, Ryan, Mike, Tomlin, and I'm forgetting one.
Chris Cote
These are the six that have made it consecutive years.
Dan LeBatard
Tomlin and LaFleur. That's right.
Chris Cote
You're in the costume, pal.
Dan LeBatard
McDermott and Tomlin are the only ones there that would classify as experienced when they were hired three or four years ago. The other guys were all young guys. And I don't think that anybody right now would want McDermott experiment. Mike is so disappointed in you for.
Chris Cote
Not doing La Flor, not doing the movie. I've never seen the movie, but, like, it's a line from the movie.
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Jeremy
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Stugotz
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Dan LeBatard
My question to you stands, though. In the instance that I just mentioned, all of those teams went with somebody that wasn't experienced other than. Well, Tomlin wasn't that experienced either when the Steelers hired him a million years ago. And McDermott isn't somebody that anybody would want, even though he's got probably the best winning percentage in the sport.
Greg Cody
Right.
Dan LeBatard
Like, so you want an experienced guy, but the people who are having the success. That's not how we're doing it anymore. Like, we are going and getting young coaches who are the next thing, who can scheme it up and are visionary masterminds.
Stugotz
But Ross never makes the right choice. He's shown he can't find that new visionary master.
Greg Cody
Right. He's been looking for the next Ben Johnson or Liam Cohen. He's over four and is over four. That's a good point.
Chris Cote
He's always offensive guys. I get it. But like the track record of getting the brilliant young defense.
Stugotz
Flores was defense, though.
Chris Cote
I mean, he's so highly regarded, and credit to him, he was on to his ass before anybody. I think that defensive minds are probably where you go, look, it's all a crapshoot. I know I speak with conviction. I don't know how this works out. I don't know who's the best hire. Mike McDonald worked out pretty good. I like the way the defensive coaches are working right now. And I understand the Dolphin thing. It's like catnip. That's a big name. That's a big surname. But the one that escapes me as to how this isn't like, a bigger thing when I talk to Dolphins fans is you want to talk about surnames and young, brilliant minds. Chris Shula is right there.
Dan LeBatard
What?
Chris Cote
What do we do?
Mike Ryan
This one's a lot of expectation right there.
Chris Cote
A lot of expectation. No one remembers on Shula down here. No one remembers, like, they all look like Greg, the people that remember the cobbler. No one remembers the expectation. Like, this is a homecoming. This is a great story. He's worked with Sean McVay. He's highly regarded. This feels perfect.
Dan LeBatard
Speaking of looking like Greg, I have something I want to go to here and present to the YouTube audience in a second, but I don't believe that many people who are watching football the last two years would have said that. What you need to do if you have Sam Darnold or Geno Smith as your quarterback is go get somebody who's so good at coordinating defenses that he can turn Seattle into what it is Seattle's been turned into, even though they haven't had a quarterback that anyone would trust at the top of their food chain. What Seattle did, I don't know. How excited do you imagine that Seahawks fans were a couple of years ago with that hire? I know that he was one of the names, like with Ben Johnson, he's supposed to be the whiz kid, but that's not experience, Zaz. That's not what we're talking about. Like, everybody wants whatever it is that Andy Reid brought over there, but I just don't think that that's the way that league is doing it anymore.
Stugotz
I'm not even disagreeing. The part, the part that I think we don't see eye to eye is Stephen Ross. Stephen Ross, not the NFL. Steven Ross has not been able to identify that next young, great coach. So since Stephen Ross is not capable of finding that guy, I would like them to get someone who has proven to Be a good coach.
Dan LeBatard
Mike McCarthy.
Greg Cody
Agreed.
Dan LeBatard
Mike McCarthy?
Chris Cote
Jason Garrett, anybody?
Dan LeBatard
Mike McCarthy. That's what you want. You want experience.
Greg Cody
You'd rather have Mike McCarthy than John Harbaugh.
Dan LeBatard
No, I'm joking. I'm joking. I don't want experience in a name just because it's an experience name. It's not what I want.
Greg Cody
Okay. There's seven head coach openings in the NFL right now. I don't think it's a coincidence that yesterday Harbaugh's agent says, we've been contacted seven times by seven different teams. And it's not just teams that need a head coach, it's other teams. Not saying Miami has won, but I guarantee you more than seven clubs are interested in hiring John Harbaugh, and they should be okay. And you may think those seven clubs are all wrong for inquiring.
Dan LeBatard
I know all those seven clubs are bad and unstable, and so they want anything that feels like stability. Stability. And that is a.
Mike Ryan
You want to talk to Harbaugh, wouldn't you?
Dan LeBatard
Yes, of course.
Mike Ryan
That's what I mean. Like, that. Bringing him in to, like, talk to him, I think is fine.
Stugotz
While you have a coach.
Chris Cote
Well, how about this? There's a Yahoo report saying that Philip Rivers might be a head coaching candidate. Do you want to interview him?
Jeremy
Hit the white guys button.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah.
Mike Ryan
No experience. Dan.
Chris Cote
Hey, Jeremy. Happy holidays.
Jeremy
Happy Januka.
Chris Cote
I want to toast you. Actually, I don't. I will toast with you. Okay. We're co workers.
Dan LeBatard
Mm.
Jeremy
Friends, you could say.
Chris Cote
No, we cannot say that. But we both enjoy an ice cold Miller Lite.
Jeremy
That's true.
Chris Cote
Especially around the holidays. You know, it's a 50th anniversary Miller Lite.
Jeremy
It's really amazing every time we say that. I can't believe it.
Chris Cote
Well, it's crazy because, like, they've basically been partners with the Dan LeBatard show for half of their existence. When I put it to you that way. We got an old ass show.
Jeremy
Yeah, we do. That's crazy.
Chris Cote
Hey, let's look around at our friends, not each other. And our family, even though they're not here. I do miss your brother, though.
Jeremy
Yeah, I know.
Chris Cote
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Greg Cody
Don LeBatard yeah, very imagine if someone.
Mike Ryan
Told you you couldn't have a Corvette.
Greg Cody
Stugats I'm a grown ass man who's not who's not filthy rich. I can't afford a Lamborghini. Well I probably can but that's hey.
Chris Cote
Greg.
Greg Cody
This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stu Gu.
Chris Cote
Do you have to interview do you have to adhere to the Rooney rule if you're presently sitting Mike McDaniel in the cuck chair making him watch this entire thing?
Jeremy
Yeah, it's like Zaz with Billy Crystal yo.
Stugotz
You know I don't play that game. Everybody knows I'm not a cuckoo.
Chris Cote
If people want to tell me like in the example the Mike McDonald and not exciting people. Although Mina Kimes was all all over that she was hyping them up for a long time. Mike McDonald is actually an argument for John Harbaugh because it seems as though the Harbaughs are really good at identifying coaching talent. Now maybe that is a skill that they can't replicate year over year. Maybe they found all the good ones and can't find any other good ones. But your hope is that John Harbaugh would bring in the next Mike McDonald.
Dan LeBatard
So let me just close the loop on this by asking all of you this. I saw Jeremy smile as soon as I said loop and know what he was thinking over there? Noise me to have that.
Jeremy
I can't. I can't even smile.
Chris Cote
Kid.
Greg Cody
Kid. Kicker misses that chip Shot, field goal, fire the coach.
Mike Ryan
And the coach walks him back with his arm around him.
Dan LeBatard
This is what I want to present to all of you because I believe most of the people listening to this would be able to discern for me what the gulf of difference is between Patrick Mahomes as a quarterback and whoever it is that you think is the 10th best quarterback. Do you feel like you can do that with coaches? Like, do you feel like. Because when you're sitting here talking about the identifying of future coaches, okay, Mike McDaniel is Kyle Shanahan's guy. That's the guy. Everybody wanted a Shanahan guy when Shanahan was the one doing the winning. So do you think that we or the people in this audience can tell me appreciably, not based on what it is that you've seen Baltimore do with Lamar Jackson, how John Harbaugh is better than whoever is regarded as ten spots below him? And whatever that difference is, do you view it as that valuable and that difference making that when you're making the argument gives off leadership or impeccable resume, you feel like you got a good handle on. If I put this guy in my locker room and I still don't have a quarterback, I don't have a quarterback, I am doomed at quarterback. I can take that guy, put him here, and I'm going to be able to feel better than somebody who's 10 spots worse than him. I just don't feel like anybody can do that listening to this. And I don't feel like anybody in this room can do it either.
Mike Ryan
Aikman could do it.
Jeremy
I also just don't understand because you hire Harbaugh, right?
Chris Cote
And you know you don't have a.
Jeremy
Quarterback, so that means you're bringing him in with the idea of we're gonna give him a very long leash to figure this out because he's leader Guy McDaniel was the phenom that you guys are talking about. He came in and he turned tua, who Brian Flores said was a nobody, into a superstar when their roster was better. This roster stunk. So what'd you do? You fire the gm, which is the right move. And now to me, what you should do is give McDaniel another opportunity with a different quarterback and a better built roster with that leash that maybe you're going to give Harbaugh to go back to being the wunderkin that you actually did hit on. You've never done it before. Well, but this time you did.
Stugotz
They're likely going to do that because they're not going to land Harbaugh. Like I said, Just like 15 years ago, no chance landing Harbaugh, but just without context, because what you're saying makes sense, but without context, you can have John Harbaugh coach your team or Mike McDaniel coach your team. Which would you want?
Jeremy
I'd like McDaniel because I think that the last several years of John Harbaugh have been boosted by. By having one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play the game.
Stugotz
He won a Super bowl also before Lamar Jackson. He did great defense matters.
Chris Cote
He had a great defense and Joe Flacco got.
Jeremy
And a very stable organization that built him a great team.
Dan LeBatard
What?
Chris Cote
What?
Dan LeBatard
I just want you guys to sort of marinate in this because I know these things happen very quickly and people become dumb very fast. Okay? If you told me simply, hey, I've got a coach who can make Raheem Mostert score 18 touchdowns in a season. I want that. And I don't know that Harbaugh can do it. I know he can do it with Derrick Henry. I don't know that he could do it with Raheem Mostert. And I saw that happen. But I understand what happens here where you end up under.500 and everybody forgets everything that happens. And now somebody else's trash is your. Is your savior. Of course all of the losing teams in the league are going to call Harbaugh. Vrabel had to sit out a year like. Like Vrabel sat out a year because everybody was just sort of running around over the few job openings. Every year there's like one coveted guy and 10 teams who need a coveted guy. 10 teams that need the optics of give me gives off leadership.
Stugotz
I guess I'm putting value on the distinction between Mike McDaniel seems to be a guy who is able to coach the quarterback, but I don't know if he's been able to coach the entire team. While Harbaugh. It seems he can coach the entire team.
Chris Cote
That's fair.
Greg Cody
Or he can hire a great offensive coordinator if he doesn't feel like that's his.
Dan LeBatard
We've got to fix the Dolphins. Get me Adam Archuleta as fast as you can so that we could just start interviewing random broadcasters. No, the Dolphins have. They have Aikman on a stipend. They've got him under contract. Let's just get an assortment of other broadcasters to come in here and tell us what the Dolphins need to do. Start with Adam Archuleta.
Jeremy
Guest booking.
Mike Ryan
Can you get on that?
Jeremy
Is this Alphabetical.
Dan LeBatard
Who would come get me? Allah Abdul Navi.
Chris Cote
In hearing you guys talk it out again, I'm not a Dolphin fan, and I don't know what the right move is. We're talking this one out, but as we talked it out, I'm like, why would John Harbaugh pick Miami?
Jeremy
That's fair. Retirement spot.
Chris Cote
He had a really great career because of the stability of one of the best front offices in the sport. And he comes and he walks into a total mess with a bad cab situation. Because, of course, they got a deadweight quarterback that is going to be near impossible to move. They're going to have to take a huge cap hit on it. If I'm John Harbaugh, I know it's Miami, but they're. And if I have seven teams interested, there's got to be a better spot than this.
Stugotz
We talked about this yesterday, right? When it comes to salary caps and Steven Ross, who's in his 80s, I'm not trying to kill him off, but he's got more money than anyone needs, and who knows how much longer he has left. Why can't Stephen Ross call up John Harbaugh, who. He clearly is not going to want this job, say, 50 million a year. 50 million a year.
Chris Cote
Why can't.
Stugotz
There's no salary cap.
Mike Ryan
He'd take it.
Stugotz
Like, if Ross wants him, he's not going to turn down $50 million a year. Why doesn't he do it?
Greg Cody
I think he's going to go for the best situation, which largely means the best quarterback.
Stugotz
Even If Ross offered 50 million a.
Greg Cody
Year, that's ridiculous money.
Stugotz
Why is it ridiculous?
Greg Cody
Because he's not going to do it. It's crazy.
Stugotz
I guess my question is, why wouldn't he do it?
Chris Cote
I hear you.
Dan LeBatard
If you believe it's that valuable, like, if you believe he brings all the things Greg seems to think that he believes, it would be wor.
Chris Cote
May I bring something up? If we were having these conversations last year, I guarantee you you'd be having this same conversation not with John Harbaugh, but with Bill Belichick. And that's what a Dolphin fan is.
Mike Ryan
I feel like I did that last.
Jeremy
Year with Belichick, probably did.
Dan LeBatard
The lack of stability here is a giant problem. The turnover, the fact that you don't trust ownership, the fact that the one thing that's been in place the entirety of the 25 years is the owner that you can blame. An owner I wouldn't blame right now if he tried to hire Brian Flores again.
Jeremy
I pitched that in the Middle of the season.
Stugotz
Dan, how would that phone call Brian.
Jeremy
Flores, if you, when you were looking for leadership guy, a guy who's had the experience and learning from that first experience to come back better and stronger than before, doing it with another franchise, learning from a head coach that stable over there, why not Brian Flores?
Greg Cody
Because the Dolphins have a million problems and defensive coordinator is not one of them. Anthony Weaver is very good. He's already interviewed for the head coaching job in at least one city. That's not your problem.
Jeremy
Well, when you talk about, by the way, McDaniel, like, can he coach the rest of the team? He brought in a good defensive coordinator. That defense that Dan thought was going to be historically bad got better and better throughout the season.
Chris Cote
Jeremy, isn't that a Harbaugh guy, the defensive coordinator that he brought in?
Dan LeBatard
I want to show the audience a couple of photos here of Ed Orgeron and a haggard looking Wayne Gretzky and ask the audience which of these two people look like they're closer to becoming Greg Cody. We've got Ed Orgeron here looking strong, symmetrically.
Stugotz
The face is closed.
Chris Cote
They are.
Dan LeBatard
The face is round. It looks like there are things inside side of Orgeron's cheeks trying desperately to get out. Now put up Wayne Gretzky.
Greg Cody
Oh, wow.
Dan LeBatard
I see it there too. The great one.
Chris Cote
Miami did that.
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Mike Ryan
He's got the Gretzky color more.
Stugotz
What's with the eyebrow?
Dan LeBatard
Yeah, it's Greg. Do you have, do you have a nominee here between the two on who you think more like you?
Greg Cody
Yeah, I would rather be likened to that Wayne Gretzky photo than to that.
Dan LeBatard
Not what I asked you. I didn't ask you. Who would you prefer to look like. I asked you who looked more. They were on the route to being someone who looked like you.
Greg Cody
Sadly. Probably Ed or Jeron.
Mike Ryan
Sadly, it looks great.
Chris Cote
Ed looks great. You got to get the whole picture, though, with Ed.
Stugotz
And look at him in the, um, shirt. Come on.
Dan LeBatard
It's a rounder face, right? I, I, I believe that Gretzky's face is a little bit too streamlined in order to be your face.
Mike Ryan
Uncle Dick used to call Greg the point because his head kind of, you know, comes to a point and that's what Ed, Orange. Ed Orgeron has that going on.
Jeremy
No, but Ed Orgeron looks like the woman that your lesbian aunt's been bringing to Thanksgiving for the last 30 years.
Chris Cote
I'm gonna use a Greg Cody award amalgamation. Let's mix Bo Gretzky and Orgeron.
Greg Cody
There we go.
Mike Ryan
Put them together. Do that.
Greg Cody
Guys have AI do that.
Chris Cote
Jeremy. I'm kind of proud.
Dan LeBatard
Put it on the poll at Lebatard show. Does Ed Orgeron look like the woman your lesbian aunt has been bringing to Thanksgiving for the last few years?
Mike Ryan
Also cut up me trying to say Ed Orgeron.
Chris Cote
I thought we supported you there so alone.
Dan LeBatard
We left you alone. We just moved past it.
Mike Ryan
I appreciate it.
Dan LeBatard
You gave up on yourself in the middle of it. You gave up your on yourself in the middle of it. And we just moved on because it was too low hanging fridge just too easy.
Chris Cote
I'm genuinely worried about your psyche. So I did not want to laugh at it that time.
Dan LeBatard
You know what's funny? Go ahead and get me stuttering on the matriculate. It's not quite that funny because it happened to me a handful of times. Not with matriculate on the Christmas break. And I am wondering if something is like short circuiting in my in the wiring in that I am stumbling on some of these words in in common speech where I don't have a reference point for something like this happening to my brain. Matriculate the ball down the field.
Jeremy
Thank God you're not the one that said Brobdingnagian. Which by the way. Rough count of 14 letters on that. Not 15, Roy. So rough count of 14 there.
Greg Cody
That's a beautiful five syllable word.
Dan LeBatard
Should I not be worried that things are coming from my brain into my mouth and doing this without me being able to control it? Matriculate the ball down the field.
Chris Cote
Truthfully, yes, you should be worried. I am.
Dan LeBatard
But good content. I think we're all just going to.
Chris Cote
Laugh at you in point when you suffer a stroke.
Jeremy
The Chuck Knobloch of speech.
Dan LeBatard
Have we gotten Adam Marcelotta yet?
Mike Ryan
Efforting.
Dan LeBatard
Okay, well, hurry up.
Chris Cote
I mean, we literally just came up with this idea.
Dan LeBatard
I understand, but I want to get.
Stugotz
Love this though. Let's fix the Dolphins.
Dan LeBatard
Let's fix the dolphins by calling random broadcasters and asking them if they will do for free for us what the Dolphins are paying Troy Aikman a substantive amount of money. Like Troy Aikman's probably calling Ross today. Hey, call Harbaugh. Right?
Greg Cody
I would.
Dan LeBatard
Actually. Is he just sending a text? Is Aikman just sending a text? Hey, I got an idea.
Stugotz
John Harbaugh Ross is like worth every century.
Date: January 7, 2026
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami
This episode blends the Dan Le Batard Show’s signature irreverence with in-depth football talk, centering on the Miami Hurricanes and the Miami Dolphins, the perceived value in the Harbaugh coaching name, and the chaos of NFL head coaching searches. Throughout, the ensemble pokes fun at language, debates coaching philosophies, and riffs on both local sports and the business of hiring winners—while keeping the banter lively and skeptical.
Harbaugh in Baltimore: Dan reviews the last four Baltimore Ravens seasons, highlighting their agonizing playoff exits and questioning how much is truly John Harbaugh’s fault.
Is the Harbaugh ‘Fairy Dust’ Real?
Dolphins’ Pattern of Rookie Hires: Stugotz rails against Miami owner Stephen Ross’s pattern of hiring unproven head coaches and argues for a proven commodity.
The “Experience vs. Vision” Debate:
Ross and the Michigan Connection: The futility of Dolphins owner Ross’s prior attempts to lure Jim Harbaugh (a Michigan connection) is lampooned.
Lively, self-deprecating, and meta-critical. The cast is quick to mock themselves, each other, and broader football culture, often blending sharp skepticism with high-energy riffing.
This episode is vintage Le Batard: a roundtable of sports cynics and fans poking fun at the sacred cows of coaching reputation, digging deep into Miami sports angst, introducing obscure vocabulary, and lampooning the constant search for the “next big thing” in coaches. The discussion is equal parts informative and absurd, providing insight into both football strategy and the follies of sports fandom and management. If you want a sharp, funny jab at the NFL’s coaching carousel and Miami’s endless search for stability, this one’s for you.