The Big Suey: The Honey Hole (feat. Domonique Foxworth)

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

"The Big Suey: The Honey Hole" (feat. Domonique Foxworth)

Date: October 3, 2025
Hosts: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, Chris Cote
Featured Guest: Domonique Foxworth
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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Overview

In this episode of "The Big Suey," Dan Le Batard and the crew are joined by former NFL player and media personality Domonique Foxworth to deliver their trademark blend of sports analysis, behind-the-scenes stories, and irreverent humor. The panel covers NFL happenings (with special attention to pivotal games and coaching decisions), the inside world of PEDs and injury culture in pro football, awkward name rankings in sports, and a journalism/PR fail at the Los Angeles Clippers' media day. Lively banter, comic detours, and Foxworth's player insights enrich the mix.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Performance-Enhancing Drugs & NFL Culture

• Steroid Use in the Office
  • The group speculates on which show members would take steroids if offered. Tony tops most lists, with jokes about "Mr. Creatine" and the office’s moral compass.
  • Quote:
    • "Like, you're too lazy to cheat. That's a level of laziness I didn’t know existed." — Dominique Foxworth [05:00]
• NFL PEDs and Exemptions
  • Foxworth opens up about the prevalence and evolving detection of PEDs and amphetamines during his career. He notes the difficulty keeping up with banned substance lists and the loophole Adderall provided for focus and performance, given proper exemptions.
  • Quote:
    • "I left some money on the table... but HGH increases your chances of cancer, so I kind of don't really have regrets." — Dominique Foxworth [06:18]
  • Painkiller use on team flights is discussed, with Foxworth refuting wild stories of flight attendants handing out trays of pills, describing instead a controlled, discreet distribution system for legitimate needs.

2. NFL Deep Dive: 49ers' Resilience & Scheme

• 49ers' Injury-Plagued Victory
  • Chris and Dominique dissect the San Francisco 49ers' undermanned win, with Foxworth balancing praise with an insider's understanding of how game outcomes hinge on crucial, swingy plays (missed field goals, fumbles, etc.).
  • Quote:
    • "I don't think the 49ers are better than the Rams today... all the pivotal kind of this-way-or-that-way plays went in the 49ers direction." — Dominique Foxworth [10:21]
• Kyle Shanahan's Offensive Wizardry (and Foibles)
  • Foxworth connects the simplicity for QBs under Shanahan's system to his creative horizontal attack, detailed formation/motion, and ability to exploit defensive weaknesses—though he notes Shanahan becomes overly conservative when playing with a lead.
  • Quote:
    • "What I always respected about Kyle Shanahan, he doesn’t want to get to third down… but later in the game, the offense gets stagnant and boring when he has a lead." — Dominique Foxworth [17:06]
• Modern Decision-Making & Analytics
  • Overtime, fourth-down aggressiveness, and evolving coaching mindsets are discussed, with Foxworth predicting most modern coaches will increasingly "go for it" rather than settle for field goals.
  • Quote:
    • "We're moving to a point where the vast majority of the league will go for it… especially when the offense is your strength." — Dominique Foxworth [18:47]

3. NFL Trends: Defensive Star Power & Explosive Plays

• Fred Warner’s Uniqueness
  • Foxworth lauds Fred Warner's combination of physicality and versatility in a league of ever-shrinking linebackers, crediting Shanahan and John Lynch for prioritizing such elite, do-it-all defenders.
• On the “Honey Hole” & NFL Deep Shots
  • A football X’s and O’s moment: Foxworth debunks the popular claim that two-high safety looks have “killed” the deep threat, explaining with authority how scheme and risk aversion shape explosive plays, not necessarily coverages.
  • Quote:
    • "People talk about how two-high safeties take away the deep threat. That’s just not true… there’s ways to attack all these coverages… if explosive plays are down, it’s not because of the safeties." — Dominique Foxworth [22:01]
  • Dan, predictably, gets caught up on the term “honey hole.”
    • "Where's the sugar slot at?" — Dan Le Batard [24:27]
    • "I think that's for a late night show." — Dominique Foxworth [24:30]

4. Locker Room & Sideline Stories

• Discussing inside-the-game moments:
  • Team flights: Wild moments on NFL team flights exist (fights!), but real “scandalous” stories are withheld on air.
  • Helping opponents: In-game etiquette, like helping opponents after hard plays, gets broken down—Foxworth clarifies the line between competitive edge and decency.
    • "In the playoffs? Man, better figure it out. Can’t help you, sorry." — Dominique Foxworth [45:19]

5. Pop Culture & Media Follies

• Clippers PR Scandal Debrief
  • Ramona Shelburne’s attempt to get accountability over the Clippers’ endorsement scandal is lauded; the PR’s abrupt mic cutoff and avoidance strategy is lampooned.
  • Foxworth calls out both player and executive for their evasive, poorly considered responses.
  • Quote:
    • "If you're not going to answer any questions, then don’t answer the questions! ... I'm shocked the Clippers showed up without a plan." — Dominique Foxworth [34:49]
• The Weirdness of Streaming Sports
  • With baseball's Home Run Derby moving to Netflix, Dan reveals his discomfort with tradition being upended, while Foxworth sees opportunity for innovation and fun events off traditional TV.

6. Ridiculous Rankings: Unfortunate Sport Names

• A running joke segment lists the “most unfortunate” names in sports (e.g., Cam Schlitler, Haha Clinton-Dix), with playful debates on whether they're actually bad names or just memorable.
  • "I feel like the majority of these names are pretty awesome, like Haha Clinton-Dix." — Dominique Foxworth [41:17]

7. Miscellaneous Banter

• On Adversarial Marital Cooking Accidents

  • A side story in which Roy burns his hand cooking, blaming his wife. The group spar over whether it's fair to lay blame elsewhere.

• Helmet History Debunked

  • The team debates Greg Cody’s claim that football helmets were once made from turtle shells, with Foxworth and Dan agreeing there’s no real evidence.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• Steroid speculation:
  • "Like, you're too lazy to cheat. That's a level of laziness I didn’t know existed." — Foxworth [05:00]
• On Adderall & NFL exemptions:
  • "You could get an exemption … it's essentially you on speed." — Foxworth [06:18]
• Modern coaching:
  • "We're moving to a point where the vast majority of the league will go for it…" — Foxworth [18:47]
• Explosive plays are not about two-high:
  • "If explosive plays are going down, it's not because people are playing with two-high safeties." — Foxworth [22:01]
• Clippers PR disaster:
  • "If you're not going to answer any questions, then don’t answer the questions!" — Foxworth [34:49]
• Fake news avoidance:
  • "Like, I don't deal with conspiracies or clickbait analysts or journalism that's going on." — Kawhi Leonard [36:37] (quoted by Foxworth)
• Help your opponent?:
  • "You got to figure it out for yourself in the playoffs ... sorry." — Foxworth [45:15]

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Fun & Memorable Moments

• “Sugar Slot” Banter:
  • Dan and Domonique spiral into laughter over the creation of new football terminology.
• "Unfortunate Names" List:
  • The segment blends juvenile humor with sharp sports wit, with Foxworth defending the "greatness" of unusual names.

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Conclusion

This episode delivers quintessential Le Batard chaos—a lively, insight-rich stew of NFL breakdowns, inside stories, and comic detours. Foxworth’s expertise adds depth to X’s and O’s talk (especially regarding “honey holes” and PED realities) while the rest of the crew never lets sports take itself too seriously. The PR deconstruction of the Clippers’ scandal stands out as a sharp critique of sports-media relations. For anyone who missed it, the show offers both laughter and genuine football insight, true to its Miami roots and sports-obsessed DNA.

Transcript

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[Dominique Foxworth]

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[Chris Cote]

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[Dominique Foxworth]

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[Chris Cote]

Jeremy, Tony came after you yesterday and made the accusation, accusing you of botox, I think. Yeah, that's exactly what having having work.

[Jeremy]

Done from Mr. Creatine himself.

[Dan Le Batard]

Ooh.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Damn.

[Jeremy]

If anyone's artificially inflating the way that they. I mean, it's certainly not me. I'm not lacking for confidence. And just because everybody around here is not reckless.

[Dominique Foxworth]

He's talked about it and get reckless. Here is something we like to call reckless speculation.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, he's talked about. You're good.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, you know, I'm just saying I don't need anything to affirm myself I'm good in where I'm at, you know.

[Dan Le Batard]

You don't sound offensive. I feel offensive.

[Jeremy]

I feel confident in where I'm at. You know, everybody's been. Been publicly kind of praising the way I look, which I don't love, the way that that works with weight, but I'll take it. And look, I'm just gonna say it. That hat was pulling my eyebrows back. I look crazy in that photo. But to accuse me of botox throwing stones from a glass house, My friend.

[Dan Le Batard]

You don't want to go much further. You're good now. You're thin enough.

[Chris Cote]

Yeah, I felt like there was a little extra on Mr. Creatine. Like, Mr. Well, I don't.

[Jeremy]

I don't need enhancements. You know, I'm not. I'm not here trying to change much. I'm just trying to be healthy.

[Chris Cote]

I don't think that creatine counts as a natural supplement, but I do think creatine is viewed as not immoral. That it is not.

[Dan Le Batard]

Tony would take steroids. Yeah, he would. Like, who do you. I think there's probably like four or five people here that would take steroids.

[Jeremy]

I think number one on the list.

[Chris Cote]

Do you want to name them? Do you think there are four or five people who would take steroids?

[Jeremy]

You have five people in the office.

[Dan Le Batard]

That would take steroids or hgh. You don't think. Who do you think Mike would take steroids?

[Chris Cote]

Mike Ryan or Fuentes might take steroids?

[Dan Le Batard]

Fuentes strikes me as too lazy for steroids. I could see Fuentes taking steroids. I think that Tony would take steroids.

[Jeremy]

Mike Ryan for sure.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think Jeremy would take steroids. What about Dominique?

[Jeremy]

You do.

[Chris Cote]

Dominique would not take steroids. He's a moral creature. He only accuses the Brian Flores Dolphins of being unethical. He does not. He has his dignity and his moral rectitude. Who do you believe Dominique would be? Our top three rankings on potential steroids steroid users in the office here?

[Dominique Foxworth]

Well, I mean, I think definitely Tony's near the top. The idea of someone being too lazy to take steroids Wow. I mean, I thought the point of taking steroids was so you didn't have to work that hard. Fuentes. Like what? Like you're too lazy to cheat. That's a level of laziness that I didn't know existed. But yeah, I mean, I think Mike had cares about his appearance, but I don't think, I don't think. I think Mike has a little more integrity than that to take steroids. I really think it's just Tony, like, Tony's the only one.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think high school baseball, Chris would take steroids because other people were taking steroids. But then he wouldn't follow up with like the next cycle. So it wouldn't be super effective.

[Chris Cote]

Get those steroid boobs because he just did like three cycles and then didn't finish the job.

[Dominique Foxworth]

The steroids, man, like I, I think I was naive and thought no one was using PDs while I played. And like anyone who was using it got caught. But then I got older and start to realize that they add new substances to the list almost every year and that like for all league, they add new substances almost every year to the list. So I'm like, well, why you need to add that? Probably because you found some of that somewhere. You're trying to keep it out the league going forward and then the HGH testing is just too difficult to keep up with because you got to do like blood testing and all that stuff. So I don't know, I feel like I left some money on the table.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. Do you look back and say, man, I should have done steroids. Everyone was doing it. What was I thinking?

[Dominique Foxworth]

I think, I mean, with hgh it like increases. Everything grows and like increases your chances of cancer and stuff like that. So I kind of don't really have any regrets. Honestly. I wish that no one was doing it. But it was also like the thing was the. You could get an exemption for like certain amphetamines. So like people would have who had ADHD would use get an exemption. But it's essentially you on speed. So like you could, you can get a prescription and then you could. And that was for the NFL, so that you could use like Adderall or something like that. And there is some performance enhancing like nature to having that even. I mean, even if you're not including the physical part, it's like a mental focusing that could help you that a lot of guys would use. Back when I played. I don't know if they're still doing that, but it was a thing. You can't even get smelling salts anymore. You got to bring your own salts. They had, they say.

[Dan Le Batard]

So, like, not to make light of the situation, but like, was there like a doctor that you guys knew you'd go to in the doctor be like, okay, Dominique, we have to be, what, what, what? And you just say like looking around the room and like, oh, well, Dominique, I guess he has add like, we gotta give him something here.

[Dominique Foxworth]

I mean, I don't know. I didn't meet that doctor, but we had team doctors. But I guess to get a prescription you'd have to go to an outside doctor. But the harder part, I think was getting exemptions. I think the league wasn't just like giving exemptions to everybody. So to get an exemption, that was the more difficult part. But I imagine like of all the doctors that there are in the world and how football obsessed we are, you probably just had to go to a doctor and say, hey, hey, Doc. Having a hard time concentrating. You want us to win this weekend, right?

[Chris Cote]

Ricky Williams talks about doctors going down or not doctors, but flight attendants going down on the team flight, on the way home with just a tray filled with all sorts of pain pills on them. I would imagine that that was that you found yourself surrounded by a resplendence of pain pills.

[Dominique Foxworth]

No, no, Honestly, like, I saw some crazy things on, on some team flights, but the, the tray of pain pills, wasn't it like there was. Guys need it. Like there's, there is some need for that stuff. So I'm sure there were people abusing it there. People abuse everything in this world, but the doctors and the trainers knew the guys who needed the stuff. And then you would get it as you were going back to your seat because they would be like in the front of the plane, but it wasn't like. And it'd be like in a bag. It'd be discreet. It wasn't a big thing. People walking through the aisles with trays. That's. I feel like some 1960s stuff where they were smoking cigarettes at halftime. That seems wild to me.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wild things you've seen on the flights go on.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Oh, yeah, I'm not telling us. I mean, fights, stuff like that. Yeah, all the rest of that stuff. Nah, you're not getting that out of me. Well, we'll, we. I'll tell you in private. I'm not telling people on this broadcast, but yeah, fights. We'll just leave it at that.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'll call you later, Dominique. Earlier today, Roy revealed that he burned his hands and then he went on to blame his wife. For saying something that upset him and distracted him. And then he grabbed a hot pan without the glove on. Because, again, it was his wife's fault for saying something to him.

[Dominique Foxworth]

That's right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do we believe that it was Roy or his wife's fault for burning his hand?

[Dominique Foxworth]

Well, I mean, I think we all know that is Roy's fault for burning his hands. I mean, I don't think Roy was blaming her. He was just explaining the circumstances for why he ended up being distracted. Right.

[Chris Cote]

No, he was blaming her.

[Dan Le Batard]

He said it was her fault. I was explaining how much of it.

[Dominique Foxworth]

That it was her fault. That's. I mean, it depends on what she said. Like, what did she say? She's saying something absurd. That is. I mean, I don't remember because I burnt my hand. Dominique. Okay, so it wasn't that big.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's like, the Panthers are missing the playoffs.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Well, in that case, isn't that important? Oh, it would have been both hands.

[Chris Cote]

Something truly blasphemous. I thought, Dominique, that the 49ers produced the single most impressive victory I've seen from any team this season. Tell me why I'm wrong. Give me another one. That was more impressive than what the 49ers did without. Quarterback 1, Wide Receiver 1, Wide Receiver 2, Wide Receiver 3, Defensive End 1, and Tight End 1.

[Dominique Foxworth]

It was a very impressive win. I don't know that I could tell you one that was more impressive, but I think I could explain it in a way that makes it a little less impressive. So, like, we can go through all the X's and O's things, but also football, because there are, like, so few possessions, it. The outcomes can be fickle. And when the Rams had two fumbles, a miss, field goal, a drop pass that led to a missed field goal, a blocked extra point, the 49ers had a fumble that the refs decided wasn't a fumble. On forward progress, Mac Jones threw an interception down the middle of the field that was dropped by one linebacker. Had he not caught it, it would have gone right into the back to his safety, who was waiting for it. And like all these things happened in the game to make the results seem different. So I don't think the 49ers are better than the Rams today, which is, I know, an absurd thing to say because they're 4 and 1 and leading their division that the Rams are in, but. And I don't think that the 49ers played better than them overall last night, but all the pivotal kind of. It could go this way or could, could go that way type of plays that decide a game. When you fumble in the red zone, you have a pitch that bounces off a running back space. All those things went in the 49ers direction. But I mean McCorkle still did. I mean he played well. He had the two faced suit on. That's a big night from there.

[Chris Cote]

Just haven't been that kind of surprise in the league. I know Cleveland beat Green Bay, but to be an eight and a half point dog, to be that injured. Does Kyle Shanahan have some sort of secrets when it comes to helping quarterbacks be better? Because while you mentioned that Mac Jones did have some bad throws, it was by percentage. It was only two off target throws according to PFF on 49 drop backs.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah, PFF is a great resource, but one day I want them to release like the play by play grading system because I've had some disagreements with them over the years where people that I thought had good games, they said had bad games. But that's a whole nother conversation. I think Mac Jones was really good last night. And the bad, the one bad throw that I'm talking about wasn't the problem. But it seems that what Kyle Shanahan is able to do is through formations and motions, he makes the things look more complicated to the defense than they are to the quarterback. And the Rams have like a marriage of things on their defense that don't match up really well. They have small corners who haven't performed very well and a really great defensive line. So like if you have a really good defensive line, you'd love to have big corners who are comfortable pressing or good corners who have great lateral movement, who can press to buy you an extra tenth of a second, two tenths of a second for the pressure to get home. Because they were winning up front but they were getting rid of the ball so quickly and they were attacking the linebackers and the cornerbacks which are kind of the weaker points of the Rams defense. So I, I think from a scheme standpoint I'll give Kyle Shanahan a ton of credit because it, it never looks that hard for his quarterback. It never looks that confusing. The reads seem pretty obvious and they attack horizontally which I think creates like a higher percentage of success. If you're going like vertically down the field, it's harder to have success on those deeper passes. So they like stretch your defense hor horizontally and they attack the weak parts of every defense that they play. But the things that they do from week to week, the pre snap look might look different, but in the games they're kind of doing the same things and the quarterbacks and the receivers get comfortable with it.

[Jeremy]

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[Dominique Foxworth]

Don Leardard. I took my son to the barber shop, get a haircut and my man gave out some limp dap. Oh no. Damn, damn, damn St. I disowned him. I threw him right under the bus. I was like, whose kid is that out here dishing out limp dap? This is the D ler show with the St Gods.

[Chris Cote]

If Shanahan had lost that game last night, it would be 19 times that his teams have blown double digit leads. That's by a factor of like 10 more than any other coach in the league. What's happening, playoffs included, what's happening there?

[Dominique Foxworth]

I mean, he, I think he gets conservative. Like he's a conservative type of play caller. What I always kind of respected about Kyle Shanahan was he doesn't want to get the third down. It feels like the way he calls his plays, like I don't want to get to third down. And that's great because when you're trailing, that's great because he's going to throw earlier. He's going to run more tricky plays and screens and stuff to kind of create explosives. But later in the games, like I see that again, but he's trying to run the ball, they run the clock and the, the defenses are not playing with the same level of aggressiveness. And I think Kyle Shanahan's offense gets stagnant and kind of boring when he has a lead. And I think it catches up to him. And then he's just been traditionally kind of conservative on fourth downs. And the funny thing is the greatest criticism of Kyle Shanahan single play call and criticism was him being too aggressive in that Falcons game when he was the offensive coordinator and decided to throw in that situation. So that turned bad on him and I think that burned him. And I think it's in the back of his mind from Here on out. I'm not doing no damn drop back passes when I have a lead and the game is within reach.

[Chris Cote]

I want to ask you about the decision making in overtime. How many coaches, and I know all of the formulas have changed on going for it on fourth down. Give me the number of coaches in the league that you believe in that fourth and one situation with his team down by three and in field goal range, who are going for it on 4th and 1 instead of trying to kick the field goal to just tie the game in overtime because the game ends if you don't make it. And I say this as someone who always prefers the coach to show confidence in his offensive players to get a single yard.

[Dominique Foxworth]

You were ahead of the curve on this because I remember like almost a decade ago hearing you talk about like, would I rather be confident or am I more confident in my ability to get 1 yard or put the defense out there and stop them and all the other things and, and hit the extra or excuse me, hit the field goal and then put my defense out there? Like, I think getting 1 yard makes more sense. I wish I could give you an accurate answer, but the times are changing and they still are in flux. I think we are moving to a point where the vast majority of the league will go for it. I'm not sure if we're there yet. I think in that situation there are a lot of things being weighed. But when you're the better team and you're at home and you expect the win, I think almost 100% of coaches in that situation would go for it. If you're the 49ers in that situation and you're on the road and you're dealing with a ton of injuries or like the Cowboys is a good example when they're playing the Packers. I think the Cowboys were perfectly fine with a tie at that point. I think the underdog in those situations in the road team might be more prone to do it. But most of the time say we can get a yard, especially when the offense is your strength. Running up the middle. That's a little bit predictable, but I still think most coaches would go for in that situation.

[Chris Cote]

Give me the names of players you believe to be better defensive players than Fred Warner.

[Dan Le Batard]

Huh?

[Dominique Foxworth]

Better. That's a tough one. Miles Garrett is probably more impactful and he the same way Fred Warner is versatile and can impact the pass and run. I think the, the reason why Fred Warner is so special is linebackers have gotten smaller and Fred Warner is one of those guys. And so teams are started to. Offenses have started to get bigger linemen and try more aggressive downhill rushing attack in order to like attack. The fact that we're getting smaller and the linebackers to be able to cover guys and do and run down outside zone. But Fred Warner is someone who is got is a smaller linebacker but still plays the run with a physicality and aggressiveness. So like when we hear people saying we're devaluing running backs, we're devaluing off the ball linebackers, not the right ones. The right ones are as worth it as anyone especially and I think this is the reason why Fred Warner exists and is in San Francisco is because Kyle Shanahan and Kyle Shanahan's disciples are like intentionally week to week. I think the first thing they look at is what linebacker can we attack? Is he small so we can run at him? They do that every week. Is he too big? So we're going to put him in isolation and take advantage of him? Yeah. So I think that Kyle Shanahan when looking for linebackers, him along with John lynch, they're looking for guys like this. And when they find one like Fred Warner, they'll pay him whatever he wants because they know how teams like them look at approaching defenses like theirs.

[Chris Cote]

You were critical via text at some of our analysis recently when we were talking about the lack of explosive plays in the league. The number of plays that are just check downs or thrown balls at the line of scrimmage. And one of the things I was lamenting is just the fear of the turnover. The turnover has become such a valuable thing that people aren't taking risks downfield. Our analysis you thought was bad. What was bad about it?

[Dominique Foxworth]

I didn't think that your analysis was. Your individual analysis was bad. I think that generally it's a kind of a thing that's annoyed me for the past few years in football analysis is people talk about how too high safeties have taken away the deep threat. And that's just not a true statement like that. Cover two was the second cover coverage ever invented. Like there are ways to attack the honey holes on the side, deep middle. Like you think of those scene passes that Dak Prescott throws all the time down the middle is like those are designed to be cover two. Cover four is. I mean it's wide open to posts and deep digs. Like there are ways to attack all of these coverages. You can do a speedo concept, a dagger. Like there are tons of ways to attack the concept. So I think that if explosive plays are down and I Looked it up, there were 111, I think last week explosive plays against too high versus 150 versus single high. So it just like kind of feels like wrong analysis that a lot of people have been propagating and it felt like you guys were kind of doing the same thing, which is not your fault. But I think it's important to be clear that if explosive plays are going down, it's not because people are playing with too high safeties. It's for whatever reason might be the risk aversion to turnovers. It could be protection, it could be lack of playmakers, it could be quarterbacks inaccuracy. But I think the explosive plays can't really be stopped by. And like single high you can play cover two sounds like a better coverage. But like single high you can be playing cover three, which is three guys deep, which you would suggest, you would think means that it's even harder to get big plays. But we don't think of COVID three the same way we think of COVID two.

[Dan Le Batard]

Where have I been? I've never heard honey holes before. Is that a spot on the field? What other delicious areas of the field are there?

[Dominique Foxworth]

There's a lot of holes. So like the rat we call like a rat coverage is because you want someone in. In the hole. The hole is considered like the middle of the field.

[Dan Le Batard]

Go on.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Low middle of the field. But the honey hole is like those sideline spots. Good stuff. Where, yeah, like cover two corners are responsible for the flats and the deep. Cover 2 safeties are deep half. And as you can imagine, the further you get away from the corner, the closer you get to the safety. That's where the spot is. You want to be able to hold that corner down low with somebody running down there and hold that safety in the middle with someone in the seam and. And then squeeze it right into that sideline spot. It's not even sugar slot.

[Dan Le Batard]

Where's the sugar slot at?

[Dominique Foxworth]

I mean, I think that's for a late night show.

[Chris Cote]

Can you tell me who in the league comes the closest to having what Stafford and Pukinakua have?

[Dominique Foxworth]

Oh, man, Stafford. It wasn't on display fully last night, but I'm sure that you guys have seen the highlights. I think I laughed a few years ago when he won the super bowl and Dan Orlovsky was saying that he's a future hall of Famer because he won that Super Bowl. All right, let's not get carried away. But if he could put another super bowl on his resume, the highlights that he puts out there we don't. Maybe it's east coast bias. We don't talk about him or celebrate him as much but he is incredible. What someone else who has that like Burrow's injured. I will look at those guys.

[Chris Cote]

I was saying Goff and St. Brown came the closest to me in terms of having just the timing. But it's not like, it's not like what Nakua and and Stafford have. And I'm confused by the fact that they've been able to turn Nukua into exactly what Cooper coup was.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah, I'm shocked by the ability for or the season that Puku is having so far and I'm not shocked because I don't think that he's good but it's been incredibly impressive and I think it's a combination of a bunch of things. We talk about football and all the many variables that could go wrong or go right to make things work out. I think it's the combination of Puka's like unique body type and athleticism and the coach and the quarterback and having Devonte Adams on one side like all those things come together in them. They have probably the most effective rushing attack in football and a play action scheme. Genius. And you can get it to Puka anywhere. Like he's, he's not quite Tyreek Hill, but in that way it's like I can screen it to you, I can deep pass you, I can deep in, I can deep out. You can run lead block on an ISO which then sets up other play actions and matchups against linebackers and safeties that are certainly overmatched. So I think it's all those things combined if kind of made this perfect storm for Puka to be right now the best receiver in football.

[Dan Le Batard]

Dominique, can you clarify or clear up I guess a debate we were having earlier this week on the show. Now I my football career was tragically cut short so I don't have as much of the respect as someone like you did who played in the NFL. And Greg has been covering, you know, the NFL for, for years and years since before, you know, mergers and all that. So like he's a historian of the game, but people also somewhat think that he's a kook and I think you're the perfect person to kind of settle this debate. As a former Maryland terrapin here, Greg was saying that the helmets used to be made of turtle slash tortoise shell. Dan is disputing that claim. As a former terrapin, can you confirm or deny that there are tortoise helmets at some point in time.

[Dominique Foxworth]

I've never heard that there were turtle shell helmets until I was listening to Greg Cody say that. But I mean, I. I wasn't watching football before the merger like Greg Cody, and I wasn't covering it. So maybe, I don't know. The Internet also, I think, has no recollection of that. But.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, but there's AI now. You go to Google AI and I'll tell you anything you want to know. Basically, it's honestly like the searching has basically become how can we make you happy? It's very like, people pleasing. It's like, what result do we think you want to hear? That's what we're going to give you.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Well, yeah, that's not what you want out of the source that we go through for all our facts. But I think you're gonna, like, tempt Dan into playing we're all gonna die. And then we have to talk about the fall of all our great institutions, which is not fun. Let's just talk about punching players. Like, what was right about that?

[Chris Cote]

We're gonna ask you about that in a second. Put it on the poll, please. Do you know what a terrapin is? Yes or no. And just show Dominique the video that we have. Exclusive video of Tyreek Hill on the way to the hospital, falling out of the Amb. Somebody was following.

[Dan Le Batard]

Definitely not A.I.

[Chris Cote]

The car or the ambulance. And you can see there that he.

[Dan Le Batard]

Criminally underreported that story.

[Chris Cote]

You would think this is be all over espn. I don't understand why this is a bigger story. Well, probably because he landed softly. Yes, that's probably why it's not a bigger.

[Dominique Foxworth]

That's unfortunate.

[Dan Le Batard]

It is.

[Dominique Foxworth]

It is. It is.

[Dan Le Batard]

Thoughts and prayers.

[Chris Cote]

It is. You need your medical team.

[Dan Le Batard]

You need to.

[Chris Cote]

To. I think that you would trust him more than that. But I guess Tyreek Hill becomes less valuable when all of a sudden he can't run routes for you. So people will become careless that way.

[Mike]

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[Jeremy]

Hey, Mike.

[Mike]

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[Jeremy]

That's right.

[Mike]

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[Jeremy]

It's been a partner of this show since I was 10 years old and.

[Mike]

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[Jeremy]

I mean, to think that people were celebrating at my bar mitzvah with Miller Lite as they were a partner of this show is pretty incredible.

[Mike]

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[Jeremy]

I still can't believe that we say it every week. I can't believe it.

[Mike]

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[Dominique Foxworth]

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[Chris Cote]

I want to play for the you here. You've been following the Pablo Torre finds out coverage of the Clippers scandal and Ramona Shelburne was on a radio show in Los Angeles and this back and forth took place. Tell me what your thoughts are here. Ramona Shelburne, of course, the ESPN reporter, an exceptional journalist. She's the one who did the interview with Steve Ballmer. She's the one who asked some of the toughest questions at Clippers media day. Listen to this.

[Ramona Shelburne]

And I asked questions then I could have kept going, but somebody kind of reached out and grabbed the mic from me.

[Mike]

Somebody from Clipper pr.

[Ramona Shelburne]

Yeah, it was like, okay, you're done now. And then it went to a team reporter, a team TV reporter who asked about being healthy during the off season. And then the next one was like the team radio person. And they asked another question that was more basketball related, right? Then it got back to I think Law Murray from the Athletic who asked an aspiration question, but it was something about how do you not make it a distraction or something? And he gave a, whatever kind of answer to that and he was done. It was fluff then. And then it was done. And I will say this, it's important to note because people are like, why are you the only ones asking? Why were you the only one asking those questions? There were five or six other reporters in the room, Chris Mannix from Sports Illustrated, Beth Harris from the ap, all.

[Dan Le Batard]

That were going to go down.

[Ramona Shelburne]

Register. We had all talked before the press conference and I said, okay, so we're all going to ask aspiration questions, right? Because this is his first public statement, right? Like whoever gets this, like let's, let's tag team, you know, like whatever, listen to whatever everybody else asks and let's make sure we ask. We gotta cover all the bases here, cuz this is the probably the one and only time he'll address it. And they all had their hands raised and they weren't being called on.

[Chris Cote]

Chris Mannix said that was true. He tweeted that. And Pablo Torre says, quote, five to six other reporters wanted to ask follow up questions in the one setting where he might ever have to talk about this. And seems like the real question is why they didn't Get. Get that chance.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah. I mean, journalism, at least in this particular case, seems to be somewhat alive. And the camaraderie of the journalists. The journalists seem like they had a game plan in a way that the Clippers did not. What I was surprised by, and I'm sure it's pretty obvious to most people, is how poorly they answered the questions that were asked of them. If you're not going to answer any questions, then don't answer the questions. But if you are going to answer the questions, I think to relate it back to football in some ways is they're going to challenge you based on what you did poorly the week before. If you couldn't stop outside zone last week, you know what you're going to get on the first. First down outside zone. So I'm shocked that the Clippers showed up and did not have a stop for the outside zone. And then their move for it was like, we're just going to ignore these people. It kind of, to me makes it worse. I don't know how they could handle this any more poorly than they have, but seems like they probably are going to find a way to continue doing it. But, I mean, I'm glad that Ramona and other reporters stepped up and got together and asked the questions. I also think that I'm. I'm on Nick Wright's side. Like, generally I, I care about it because it's interesting, but I don't really care, like getting players extra money. Knock yourself out.

[Chris Cote]

Let's play the sound first of Kawhi Leonard's back and forth and then we'll do Lawrence Frank as well and get both Dominique's general reaction to both sounds and ask him who should have been better answering these questions between the two Clipper figures. Kawhi, first, please, what is your understanding.

[Ramona Shelburne]

Of the endorsement deal that you had with the company that's been talked to aspiration, and did you perform any services for them?

[Dominique Foxworth]

When you say understanding, what do you mean?

[Ramona Shelburne]

Like the contract you signed and how much money you were received, what you were supposed to perform for those services.

[Dominique Foxworth]

I understand that full contract and the.

[Dan Le Batard]

Services that I had to do. Like I said, I don't deal with the conspiracies or the clickbait analysts or.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Journalism that's going on.

[Dan Le Batard]

So that's.

[Dominique Foxworth]

That's what it is.

[Ramona Shelburne]

I think the allegation was that you didn't perform any services for them. Is that accurate or.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think it's accurate, but it's old.

[Dominique Foxworth]

It's just, this is all New to you guys. The company went bankrupt a while ago, so we already knew this was going to happen.

[Ramona Shelburne]

So did you were named as like the largest creditor in that, in the bankruptcy filing?

[Dominique Foxworth]

Right.

[Ramona Shelburne]

Did you actually get the money that was owed to you in the contract or.

[Dominique Foxworth]

No, but the company went belly up.

[Dan Le Batard]

It was, it was Friday.

[Dominique Foxworth]

As everybody know, if you want any.

[Dan Le Batard]

More questions or more details about that company, you need to ask the owner or whoever else is involved in the.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Fraud that went on. Right.

[Ramona Shelburne]

I think they said they would just do 7 million or something, right.

[Chris Cote]

I'm not sure.

[Dan Le Batard]

I gotta look back at the books. But no, it's more than that for sure.

[Ramona Shelburne]

Do you have any idea of how much you actually made on that?

[Dominique Foxworth]

No. It was like two, three, four years ago.

[Chris Cote]

His game plan was to say this is old news or fake news. And this is Lawrence Frank. He's the president of the Clippers. He was just as bad, which was.

[Ramona Shelburne]

Has Dennis Robertson, Kawhi's uncle, ever asked for any extra benefits that wouldn't be allowable under the NBA settler cap directly to you? There's not a lot coming out of his asks.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, look, Dennis knows the rules, Kawhi knows the rules.

[Dan Le Batard]

Mitch Frankel knows the rules, and we know the rules.

[Ramona Shelburne]

Is that a guess or another?

[Jeremy]

Yes, we all know the rules.

[Chris Cote]

What are your thoughts there, Dominique?

[Dominique Foxworth]

Well, to your question, I think I would expect Lawrence Frank to be more prepared for that. And his answer was even worse than Kawhi's, which I felt like wasn't very good either. Like Kawhi, I don't handle those things. That is, I hire people to take care of that for me. If you want to talk about a pin down ISO, how I get to my spot on the ISO or on the elbow, then that's, that's fine. How great I am at defense, my knee health. If you want to talk about those things, those are things that I'm intimately involved in, these other things are not. You should talk to someone else, the general manager or someone about that. So would you like to talk about the prospects for this season for me and the team and for Lawrence Frank, the idea that he thinks that the right answer is to say that I know the rules, then not respond directly to the question. It just makes it worse. Like his answer is, all this stuff is under investigation right now. I wish that I could give you more information. I'm learning of some of these things right along with you. Would you like to talk about this season coming forward and answer every question about aspiration Just like that. I don't get how that's so hard.

[Chris Cote]

Yeah, it's not actually. I'm going to get to Cam Schlitler in a second. A very unfortunate name for that guy for a number of reasons. By the way, it's schlitler. You know, that's complicated. Because of the shit. Because of the Hitler. And right in the middle of it, an L which a pitcher never wants anywhere near his name. But yesterday Schlitler ends up with double digit strikeouts. He's never done that at any level of baseball at single a or double A? Triple A. It's never happened before. He's in his 85th day, he's a rookie. And Jeremy has top five unfortunate names anywhere in baseball or just all of sports?

[Jeremy]

Just in sports generally. Schlitler was so good yesterday, but it's almost impossible to be that good with that name. So Oli Danny Woodhead.

[Chris Cote]

The tabloids did the headline today.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Holy schlit, that's really good.

[Jeremy]

But wood and head together, not great. Dylan, number five, Dylan Bundy. I don't know of a lot of Bundys other than Ted. That's the main one that comes to mind.

[Dan Le Batard]

Al.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Al.

[Jeremy]

Number four, Randy the big unit Johnson, which Ian Carmel has pointed out means horny the big penis. Penis number three.

[Dan Le Batard]

Why are these bad names?

[Jeremy]

Haha, Clinton Dix. I mean Clinton Dix is.

[Dan Le Batard]

No one wants any laughter around that.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, it's just, you know, it's unfortunate. James, don't call me Jim Jones. And number one, Cam Schlitler.

[Chris Cote]

What are your thoughts on that list, Dominique?

[Dominique Foxworth]

I mean there are a couple names in there that were bad, but I feel like the majority of those names are pretty awesome. Awesome, like haha, Clinton Dix.

[Jeremy]

Great awesome name. Also slightly unfortunate. I'm not saying they're bad names. I'm saying they're unfortunate names.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Well, I feel like you put them in. You put them in community with Schlitler. Like we just. Dan just laid out all the reasons why Schlittler is a problem. But I mean, I'm not gonna lie.

[Dan Le Batard]

I have no idea why is James Johnson in there.

[Jeremy]

James Jones. Jim Jones.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, but you turned drinking the kool aid Chris Berman at the end there, you're like, james, don't call me Jim Jones. I felt like I was watching James Jones. Jim Jones. What do you want? It turned into a sports center anchor.

[Jeremy]

Who I am at my core, guys, what I was meant to do and instead I'm here.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Whoa, major penalty.

[Dan Le Batard]

Five minutes. Grooming, comedy. James, don't call Me, Jim Jones.

[Jeremy]

You know, you try. You just put in an effort sometimes.

[Dan Le Batard]

Don't try.

[Jeremy]

And then you get accused of Botox.

[Dan Le Batard]

I know that this, like, shouldn't have surprised me. And it was news that we expected, right? Because we saw the news that ESPN wasn't going to be doing baseball anymore after this season. They were losing the baseball rates. Right. But when it came out a couple days ago that the Home Run Derby is going to be on Netflix next season, I felt so weird seeing that because, like, Berman hasn't done the Home Run Derby in years. But that's just one of those things that's going to feel weird. That's the line for you on streaming.

[Dominique Foxworth]

We've reached your line. Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Home Run Derby on Netflix was kind of like, I don't know about this guy, guys. No one else cares.

[Dominique Foxworth]

That's the type of thing. No, I mean, that's the type of thing that should be on Netflix. I agree with you that it feels weird, but, like, that's the type of event that you should put on Netflix, that you can make it weirder and less connected to, like, real sports and more fun. I think that the dunk contest, all those things, put them on Netflix, make them fun and crazy. Because, I don't know, I feel like those are not the things that I'm trying to watch normally. Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

I guess I'm just trying to figure out, like, how is Netflix gonna force, like, Harry from Too Hot to handle onto the Home Run Derby coverage and am I gonna be bothered? But we're already here with, like, football games. Like, the football game being on Netflix didn't do it for you. Like, this is what, like, this is just. Honestly, can I tell you something? And Dominique, you may, like, disagree with this. I don't really care what channel football games are on. Like, I'll find the game and I'll watch it, and I don't know the difference a lot of the time. And especially like Netflix, where they just go and get people from every other network anyways. It's hard for me to know once I'm like 2/4 into the game, like, to remember where I'm watching it and really care about that.

[Chris Cote]

I had a hard time because of. I changed cable systems. I had a hard time the other day finding the NFL Network for that Sunday morning 9:30 game. Like, I was, was. I did not enjoy the process of trying to locate it just because, you know, I change cable systems and not all the cable systems have NFL Network.

[Dominique Foxworth]

So what's your new. So I, I eventually Like, I gave up and switched over. Well, I don't make commercials for anybody, but, like, there's some that are more efficient than others. Like, I don't really have those problems anymore. There was a stretch there where I couldn't find anything and I was confused like an old man. And then I got some YouTube TV and I can figure it out. It's like the apps are pretty obvious. Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like my, my cable doesn't have numbers for channels. Like, it's not like channel 400 and this, it's just. This is the network that I want. I'll just like find it alphabetically.

[Chris Cote]

I'm going to keep this conversation going with Michelle Beetle in a second, but during the game yesterday, McMahon, the Yankee third baseman flipped over the dugout catching a foul ball. Flipped into the Red Sox dugout. Like just really hands on the floor, legs over his head. And only one red sock helped him. All of the other Red Sox scattered because you don't help the opponen. What is your thought there as a decent and kind human being, but also a competitor on what you should be doing if you're the opponent there?

[Dominique Foxworth]

Well, he's. He's going over the top to get an out, right?

[Chris Cote]

Yes.

[Dominique Foxworth]

I mean, man, better figure it out. Learn. Figure it out for yourself in the playoffs. Playoffs. Yeah. You got. I can't help you. Sorry. I always.

[Dan Le Batard]

Look, I always think about this. When in football, when guys are like running uncontrollably towards the sideline, like on their own sideline, someone will jump in to try to stop them. Is there like unwritten rules with that? Like if it's another. If it's an opposing player, do you let them just run into the bench? If it's your guy, you try to stop them.

[Dominique Foxworth]

What's. How does that go? It's. You're protecting yourself most of the time. Honestly, like, if you grab them, it's better for you than it is for them. There are really no rules about that. You come into games normally, it's like, yeah, everybody wants to be healthy. If you do something in the course of that game or something before that game and we know about it, then there's some different rules about how you treat a particular player. Not normally a whole team team, but there are really no rules about that. We all want to be healthy and safe. The thing about football, though, is it's not like these other sports where you actually do get to hit each other. So, like, we're not looking for opportunities to take out some anger or mistreat someone. You're just like, all right, cool. Why a whole nother play where I can come and punch you in the ribs.

[Dan Le Batard]

Why are these sidelines so slippery? It seems like anytime they're trying to stop on the sideline, it's, like, slick.

[Dominique Foxworth]

I feel like that's just a dangerous thing. I think that might be an old. I don't think we have that anymore. Okay, I put these tarps down now?

[Dan Le Batard]

No, before the game. They have to hose them down so that it's slippery.

[Chris Cote]

See you later, Dominique. The Dominique Foxworth show with Charlie Kravitz. You can catch it with Charlie Kravitz. That is, wherever it is you find your podcast. See you later, Dominique.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Bye.

[Mike]

Hey, Jeremy, old buddy, old pal.

[Jeremy]

Hey, Mike.

[Mike]

I want to talk to you about Miller Lite. You and I have bonded over these last few weeks talking about our shared love of Miller Lite.

[Jeremy]

That's right.

[Mike]

A great partner of our show for practically its entire existence.

[Jeremy]

It's been a partner of this show since I was 10 years old, and.

[Mike]

It'S been around for 50 years, and they've been a part of our show for almost 20. We're approaching incredible partner status with Miller Lite.

[Jeremy]

I mean, to think that people were celebrating at my bar mitzvah with Miller Lite as they were a partner of this show is pretty incredible.

[Mike]

You're talking about the moments that are made better by making those times, those special times. Miller Time. Jeremy, there's nothing like. Like cracking open Miller Lite with your crew this football season. It's especially true whether it's a touchdown you didn't see coming or just arguing about fantasy lineups you already know you're gonna lose. Miller Lite has been the taste you can depend on for 50 years. Brewed for flavor with simple ingredients, rich toffee notes that iconic golden color. And here's a kicker. Jeremy.

[Dominique Foxworth]

What's that?

[Mike]

It's just 96 calories.

[Jeremy]

I still can't believe that we say it every week. I can't believe it.

[Mike]

It's just 3.2 carbs per 12 ounce ounces. It's the original light beer since 1975 and still hit indifferent five decades later. Miller Light. Great taste. 96 calories. Go to millerlight.com dan to find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.