The Big Suey: The Iguanodon (feat. Lucy Rohden)

Summary

The Big Suey: The Iguanodon (feat. Lucy Rohden)

Release Date: January 30, 2025
Hosts: Dan LeBatard, Stugotz
Guest: Lucy Rohden

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1. Super Bowl Challenge for Lucy Rohden

Overview:
The episode kicks off with a lively discussion about a unique challenge proposed for their guest, Lucy Rohden. The hosts brainstorm ideas to incentivize Lucy to attend the Super Bowl, eventually settling on a playful and unconventional task—having Lucy dress up as an iguanodon and walk through a popular mall.

Key Points:

• Challenge Proposal: Chris Cody suggests Lucy dress as an iguanodon, an upright-walking dinosaur, for an hour in a mall to earn a trip to the Super Bowl.

• Host Reactions:

  • Dan LeBatard (00:32): Expresses concerns about the practicality and safety of the challenge but agrees to consider simpler tasks like visiting a bookstore.
  • Mike Ryan (14:23): Questions the feasibility of finding bookstores in the modern age and emphasizes the challenge's difficulty.
  • Greg Cody (16:57): Highlights the importance of choosing a popular mall and sets specific parameters for the challenge duration and timing.

Notable Quotes:

• Chris Cody (14:03): “Lucy, why are you looking with the face as if a boulder is rolling toward you and there's no escape Bowler?”
• Dan LeBatard (06:04): “If I go to the bookstore, then I have to walk to the bookstore, cold outside. What if they don't have the book I want? That's a problem.”

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2. Discussion on College Sports and Coaching Changes

Overview:
The conversation shifts to college sports, focusing on Penn State's strategic hiring of Jim Knowles as their defensive coordinator. The hosts analyze the impact of such appointments on team performance and the broader implications for college football.

Key Points:

• Jim Knowles' Hire (19:12): Dan praises Penn State's decision to hire Jim Knowles, anticipating significant improvements in their defense and overall team performance.

• Brian Hartline’s Recruitment Skills (20:10):

  • Lucy Rohdenan: Highlights Brian Hartline of Ohio State as an exceptional recruiter, crucial for the program’s success.

• FanStake and NIL Crowdsourcing (21:26):

  • Greg Cody: Introduces FanStake, a platform allowing fans to financially support athletes through NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) deals, sparking debate about its fairness and impact on college sports.

Notable Quotes:

• Dan LeBatard (19:12): “Jim Knowles will probably be the highest paid coordinator ever in college sports because he is just.”
• Lucy Rohdean (20:10): “Brian Hartline's one of the best recruiters in the nation.”

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3. Critique of FanStake and Rev Share in College Athletics

Overview:
The hosts delve into the ethics and financial implications of FanStake and the broader Rev Share model in college sports. They debate whether shifting financial responsibilities to fans is sustainable and fair.

Key Points:

• FanStake Concerns (22:38):

  • Lucy Rohdean: Expresses apprehension about fans being financially responsible for athletes’ success, likening it to exploitative practices.
  • Dan LeBatard (22:54): Criticizes the idea of fans funding athletes, arguing it places undue pressure and responsibility on them.

• Rev Share Implications (24:11):

  • Lucy Rohdenan: Points out that Rev Share often results in increased financial demands on boosters, rather than easing the burden from fans.
  • Chris Cody (25:00): Suggests that a percentage of escalating college coach salaries should support NIL initiatives.

Notable Quotes:

• Dan LeBatard (22:54): “I, I, I hate that the responsibility has come on to the Fans.”
• Lucy Rohdean (24:47): “The game has changed. The labor is getting paid. You would think that the administrators and the coaches would feel that a little bit. No. Nope.”

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4. Renaming the Lombardi Trophy Debate

Overview:
A heated debate arises around Bill Belichick's suggestion to rename the Lombardi Trophy after Tom Brady. The hosts discuss the merits and pitfalls of such an idea, emphasizing tradition and the recognition of players versus coaches.

Key Points:

• Belichick's Suggestion (31:10):

  • Mike Ryan: Brings up Bill Belichick's controversial idea to rename the trophy, sparking reactions from the hosts.

• Host Opinions:

  • Chris Cody (32:22): Initially dismisses the idea as dumb but later acknowledges Belichick might have been joking.
  • Lucy Rohdenan (32:50): Defends Belichick's comment as an admirable nod to Tom Brady's legacy.
  • Greg Cody (33:13): Criticizes the practicality of renaming trophies and suggests it can't be a lasting solution due to future superstars like Patrick Mahomes.

Notable Quotes:

• Chris Cody (32:22): “I must say, if it's sincere, it's too little too late.”
• Lucy Rohdenan (32:50): “I thought it was admirable for him to say and probably a pretty good idea.”

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5. Stephen A. Smith's Criticism of Bronny James

Overview:
The hosts analyze a clip featuring Stephen A. Smith criticizing Bronny James for his performance, debating the appropriateness of media scrutiny on young athletes, especially those with famous parents.

Key Points:

• Clip Analysis (35:00):

  • Stephen A. Smith: Criticizes Bronny James for underperforming, questioning the impact of this on his future opportunities.

• Host Reactions:

  • Greg Cody (36:38): Points out Stephen A.’s habit of listing accolades without adding value to the critique.
  • Amin Elhassan (39:18): Defends Bronny, highlighting his accomplishments in the G League and arguing against disproportionate media pressure.
  • Dan LeBatard (41:43): Emphasizes the importance of allowing young athletes to develop without undue interference from media personalities.

Notable Quotes:

• Stephen A. Smith (35:00): “You owe a lot of your success to him, but I thought it was nice. Am I whack for that?”
• Amin Elhassan (39:18): “I think we all owe Bronny James an apology.”

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6. General Banter and Humor

Overview:
Throughout the episode, the hosts engage in humorous exchanges, playful insults, and light-hearted commentary to keep the conversation entertaining and engaging.

Key Points:

• Carvana Advertisement Parody (00:11 - 02:04):

  • Stugotz, Greg Cody, Chris Cody, Mike Ryan, Dan LeBatard: Act out a mock advertisement showcasing the ease of selling cars to Carvana.

• Iguanodon Challenge Banter (15:00 - 17:43):

  • Hosts: Joke about the practicality and absurdity of the iguanodon challenge, including humorous descriptions and improvisations.

• Insults and Friendly Teasing (31:10 - 38:18):

  • Dan LeBatard, Mike Ryan, Greg Cody: Exchange playful jabs, such as hoping someone "has the day they deserve."

Notable Quotes:

• Mike Ryan (31:10): “Dan LeBatard he seems like a not.”
• Greg Cody (31:45): “Bless your heart.”
• Chris Cody (38:19): “It's a great word to use. I appreciated hearing it.”

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Conclusion

In this episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz, the hosts navigate a blend of serious discussions on college sports dynamics and the ethical implications of new financial models, alongside entertaining segments that showcase their signature humor and camaraderie. From challenging Lucy Rohden to don an iguanodon costume to dissecting the controversies surrounding NIL deals and media critiques of young athletes, the episode offers a comprehensive and engaging exploration of contemporary sports culture.

Final Notable Quote:

• Dan LeBatard (43:26): “If you want this player to get better, let him just stay in the G League. Do not have him coming up on road trips and stuff.”

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Note: Advertisements, intros, outros, and non-content sections were excluded from this summary to focus on the core discussions and interactions.

Transcript

[Dan LeBatard]

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[Stugatz]

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[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, sure thing.

[Greg Cody]

Hey, you saw that car yet?

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, sold it to Carvana.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, I thought you were selling to.

[Chris Cody]

That guy, the guy who wanted to pay me in foreign currency, no interest over 36 months. Yeah, no. Carvana gave me an offer in minutes, picked it up and paid me on the spot. It was so convenient.

[Greg Cody]

Just like that?

[Chris Cody]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

No hassle? None.

[Greg Cody]

That is super convenient.

[Dan LeBatard]

Sell your car to Carvana and swap hassle for convenience.

[Lucy Rohdean]

Pick up.

[Dan LeBatard]

These may apply.

[Mike Ryan]

Welcome to the Big.

[Greg Cody]

Sui presented by DraftKings.

[Mike Ryan]

Why are you listening to this show?

[Greg Cody]

The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBatard podcast.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm sorry. I'm not gonna apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys. I've done it.

[Greg Cody]

And now here's the Marching man to Nowhere, Fat Face and the Habitual Liar.

[Stugatz]

This episode of the Dan LeBatard show with Stugats is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings the Crown is yours.

[Mike Ryan]

We can agree, right, that the greatest thing produced by the process of losing in Philadelphia for a decade or so, on purpose, it felt like a decade anyways, even though it wasn't. Is Joel Embiid correct? Like, that's the best. That's the best result. And then what? Whatever is second place is a distant, distant second. You guys want to guess? Of the 886 available games for Joel Embiid, how many of those he has missed in his career? Do you want to take a guess? 880. I'm sorry. 846 available games for the Philadelphia 76ers.

[Chris Cody]

I'd guess 120.

[Lucy Rohdean]

I'd go way higher.

[Mike Ryan]

How much higher? 250.

[Lucy Rohdean]

I'd go way higher.

[Mike Ryan]

Way higher than 250.

[Lucy Rohdean]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

How much? Where would you go? Where would you go?

[Lucy Rohdean]

I'd go above 350. I'd go 400.

[Mike Ryan]

It's exactly 400. Oh, my God.

[Greg Cody]

That's never happened before.

[Mike Ryan]

Unbelievable how he did that. Exactly 400. Congratulations, Mike. You played the game flawlessly.

[Lucy Rohdean]

400.

[Mike Ryan]

400.

[Greg Cody]

400. Coach Cohen, you know, I had to put a little something on it.

[Lucy Rohdean]

Duvone, what up, though?

[Mike Ryan]

400. Lucy joins us now. Lucy Rohdean. She is the creator of Off Roading, which is not Rodin. It's Off Rodeen. But that doesn't make sense. So we've made it Off Roading. She joins us now. It is nice to see you, Lucy. You're in New York, and we still haven't gotten the correct challenge in front of you to see if you will do a challenge by Monday that will allow Meadowlark to send you to the Super Bowl. So where are we on challenges that have met your approval? Because the listeners are being challenged. What is the hashtag? How are we doing this contest to submit challenges to Lucy to see if she does one of them, whether or not she's allowed to go to the super bowl with God bless football.

[Stugatz]

Lucy challenged. It's the super bowl challenge. It's presented by Venmo. But, yeah, we haven't really nailed down the exact challenge yet.

[Mike Ryan]

Lucy, where are you with this?

[Dan LeBatard]

Lucy, I thought we had. I went through. I looked at all the responses. Half of them made me incredibly uncomfortable. And I think it's inappropriate for a lot of you to have asked me to do the things that you did. Did. But there were some good ones, like, Lucy goes to the bookstore. Has a nice day. Okay, sure, I could do that. Lucy goes to the spa. Okay, sure. I could do that. Lucy goes to the mall. Okay, sure. If that's what the people want me to do, then I'll do it. There was one. Dan pays off Lucy's student loans. Okay, sure. I'm fine with that. That seems like a good challenge. People are giving good ideas, and then I bring them to you all, and then you get mad at me because you don't like the ideas that have been given.

[Chris Cody]

How about.

[Stugatz]

How about Lucy Reed Stugatz's book live on YouTube?

[Amin Elhassan]

I love that one.

[Greg Cody]

I think that's a good one. And it's like a low lift.

[Mike Ryan]

No, no, that's a lot. That's a lot of reading. You're going to spend hours and hours doing that. I like how Lucy does that, though, in her casual, laissez faire way. Not my fault. It is 100% your fault. Like, you're choosing. You're choosing the ones that aren't challenges or punishments. You're not choosing the ones that would somewhat arduous because they've got to be a challenge in order for you to go there. We're not just going to pay for a trip. For you to go to the super bowl and give you another bonus before that by having a lovely day at the spa.

[Dan LeBatard]

If I go to the bookstore, then I have to walk to the bookstore, cold outside. What if they don't have the book I want? That's a problem. You. There's so many things that could go wrong going to the bookstore that it's honestly kind of even reckless and dangerous for you to ask me to do anything. But I'll settle for going to the bookstore.

[Mike Ryan]

I wonder if the people listening to this have the ability in the modern age to even find a bookstore. Like not using any computer equipment. Just, you have to go find one. We used to have one on Miami Beach. It's no longer there. It's one of the most culturally symbolic things I can say about Miami beach that it doesn't have a bookstore. Put it on the poll, please. At Lebatard show, could you find your local bookstore without the help of your phone? Because there aren't the books.

[Greg Cody]

Wait, are you asking if people can just wander around and find the bookstore?

[Mike Ryan]

No, I'm saying, do you know where your local bookstore is? Because so many of them are closing. Because where your local bookstore used to be is not where it is anymore. Because all over since the. Since the pandemic, all I see more than anything is quarantined buildings and empty offices.

[Greg Cody]

While I appreciate the point you're trying to Make. I don't think you're making it in a correct way. Because if I could say the same things, like, could you find your local dry cleaner without the use of your phone? I don't know where a dry cleaner is.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, I don't know how anybody found anything, like, before the phone. I don't know how people found each other outside of a stadium. The phone book. When. When. When they were trying. When they were lost and didn't have cell phones. I don't have any grass.

[Greg Cody]

You said, we're going to meet in front of the statue, and then you just waited by the statue, and they didn't show up within, like, 20 minutes. You think, well, let me call. Let me get a pay phone and call. Did. Did Greg leave the house? Yeah, he left an hour ago.

[Chris Cody]

All right.

[Greg Cody]

Okay.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, that's where that was it. I, by the way, still have a BNN in my neighborhood. A Barnes and Noble.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, yeah.

[Greg Cody]

That's what they call it.

[Chris Cody]

I go there a lot. I haunt the place. And, of course, books and books. And Coral Gables is a legendary local bookstore that carries the Back in My Day book, by the way. So how about that?

[Mike Ryan]

You only said all of that so that you could get there at the end. You had no other goal when you started all of what you were saying than to get to the promotion of your book.

[Greg Cody]

Speaking of the promotion of the. Is that Greg has the book propped upright in order to be like product placement, except it is completely not in your shot. Greg. There's no shot where the book shows up. Not the wine, not your single.

[Mike Ryan]

How about reading Greg's Back in my day on YouTube toilet reading a much shorter book than Stu Gatz's Chris Cody? How do you feel about that as a challenge for Lucy? Because we have to do this by Monday. By Monday? She has to execute on the show the challenge if she's gonna go to the Super Bowl. I can't have yet more spoiled behavior around here where she gets a spa day and the Super Bowl. Everybody here wants to go to the super bowl except me. Yes. Spoiled. Spoiled, yes. In a way that's uncomfortable for me, Dan.

[Dan LeBatard]

My parents are divorced. I can't be spoiled. I've been through.

[Greg Cody]

Or you could be double spoiled.

[Lucy Rohdean]

Double spoiled?

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, no. Not how it worked.

[Mike Ryan]

Let's play some video here. I mean, were you fooled by this? Who was fooled by this? People who are not familiar with alligators and crocodiles and who are now getting fooled in general by everything happening on the Internet that passes for misinformation. This story Amin that involves the very real fear that people have that alligators and crocodiles have evolved to a point where they could fake stuff. These are very small brained animals. These are not. This is the stugats of the animal kingdom. Like, this is not an animal that can trick its prey under any circumstances. But what were you fooled by this with. With the species?

[Greg Cody]

I wasn't. I was secretly trying to entrap you into being fooled. And I apparently I failed. I failed because Dan Levatard, unlike the alligator, is wily. He knew. He's like, oh, I got this one.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, tell the people what it is that this is meant to look like here.

[Greg Cody]

So it's the most. It's so ridiculous. It's an alligator in a river.

[Mike Ryan]

It's got tiny hands in. That looks like tiny hands that are drowning. Meant to trick somebody.

[Greg Cody]

Help. I'm drowning. It's basically doing that with its arms.

[Lucy Rohdean]

Jalen Milroe hands.

[Greg Cody]

And it's supposed to lure unsuspecting people into the river to try to rescue it, only to be eaten by the alligator. That's not how alligators operate. But I was praying that Dan would fall for me.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm sorry that I didn't. Those look like the. And this is how people get tricked by it. The arms of a baby. It doesn't even look like the arms of a crocodile that is drowning. It is toddler arms. And then you jump in and next thing you know you're being eaten.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, those are the arms of me reaching for a check after dinner. I would identify that as alligator arms and still swim out there to save the gator.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't agree. I don't agree. It's. I think he gets points for accuracy because his arms. I've seen his arms become that small when the check comes my entire life. Like, the next check that Greg Cody picks up will be the first. I have thousands of dollars spent at sweet tomatoes.

[Stugatz]

He does that with me even at bowling. You think like in this hierarchy he's supposed to pay for shit?

[Greg Cody]

No, no.

[Stugatz]

At bowling he's always like, you got these beers good? I just pick up the tabs.

[Greg Cody]

Any time I do anything with my father that requires money being spent. He doesn't even reach. He just walks away. Yeah, he just wanders away.

[Chris Cody]

That's the play. Is the time. Your bathroom break when you think the check's about to arrive.

[Mike Ryan]

Are Chris and Greg the only bowlers that we have among us? Lucy, are you a bowler? When was the last time that, that you bowled?

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, Am I still a part of this segment? We just went to Alligators out of the blue.

[Greg Cody]

I don't know what happened there.

[Lucy Rohdean]

What was that thing that you were saying about divorce?

[Dan LeBatard]

Look, it makes you. Makes you a little cranky. I'm not much of a bowler. I don't know.

[Mike Ryan]

I wonder why it didn't go to you.

[Dan LeBatard]

Bowling is really. Listen, I was. You just cut me off and I had another good point. Now I forgot it. No, just kidding. I didn't. I think bowling is really expensive in Miami. Like, I remember Taylor was telling me that if you wanted to go bowl downtown, it was like, $100.

[Lucy Rohdean]

Well, it's a rave.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, that. That's the problem. He's talking about a very specific bowling establishment that is not far from our studio. But it is like. It is not a. It's not where Greg and Chris are going. This is like Miami's answer to, like. You ever wanted a bowl with beautiful people while music pulsates and the lights are low?

[Mike Ryan]

That is not where the Cody's are bowling.

[Chris Cody]

No, we bowl in a real bowling alley.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

You know, real lanes.

[Greg Cody]

You got the shirts.

[Chris Cody]

No, but, you know, Lucy, why are.

[Mike Ryan]

You looking with the face as if a boulder is rolling toward you and there's no escape Bowler?

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm just confused by the idea of a bowling rave. I would like more details if anyone has them.

[Greg Cody]

There's a DJ in there.

[Chris Cody]

As a DJ.

[Mike Ryan]

Ew.

[Dan LeBatard]

I've had enough of DJs lately.

[Mike Ryan]

Whoa.

[Dan LeBatard]

I've had enough.

[Mike Ryan]

You are blaspheming against the. The musical drug culture that permeates our entire society. All of this music. That's only good if you're using drugs.

[Greg Cody]

Drugs?

[Mike Ryan]

What do you. How dare. How dare you? How dare you disrespect the entire Miami music economy?

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm sorry.

[Chris Cody]

It should be by the way.

[Dan LeBatard]

Thanks, Craig.

[Chris Cody]

When we talked about alligators, it reminded me of something. I have a challenge suggestion for Lucy. All right. You mentioned walking through a mall. You would do that? Everybody loves them all. I suggest you walk through a mall dressed like an iguanodon, which is an upright walking dinosaur that's just a little bit bigger than a human being, like 8ft 9.

[Mike Ryan]

What are you doing?

[Amin Elhassan]

What in the world are you doing?

[Greg Cody]

Let's follow him. Let's hear him out. Go ahead, Greg.

[Dan LeBatard]

I have questions.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

How does one dress up? Is that, like. Is there, like, a costume? Do I like?

[Chris Cody]

You go on Amazon, right? You go on Amazon right now. You Google iguanodon, and it'll be on your doorstep.

[Mike Ryan]

What is an iguanodon? Explain this. This is something between an alligator, I'm sorry, an iguana, and a dinosaur that walks like a human.

[Chris Cody]

It walks upright. It's roughly human sized.

[Lucy Rohdean]

If you've ever watched Disney's dinosaur, the family that they, that they focus on.

[Stugatz]

Where did this come from?

[Mike Ryan]

Where in your mind we were talking about?

[Lucy Rohdean]

Just because you guys are embarrassing yourselves with your lack of dinosaur knowledge doesn't mean Greg's not making a great point.

[Amin Elhassan]

This is one of my favorite segments ever.

[Chris Cody]

Listen. Initially I was thinking of Lucy dressed as a stegosaurus, but that would require her to be on all fours and move as if she were an, you know, an antelope or something.

[Greg Cody]

Inconvenient.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, very inconvenient. An iguanodon. You get to walk upright.

[Greg Cody]

Upright.

[Chris Cody]

You're walking proud through the mall.

[Greg Cody]

Good posture.

[Chris Cody]

Hey, look at that dinosaur. Hey, you know, wave.

[Greg Cody]

Waves back.

[Chris Cody]

Yes.

[Mike Ryan]

Put it on the pole, please. Juju, do you know what an iguanodon is? Because I do not. Is there any more information that you wish to give me on this creature that would explain to us a little better how it is that you arrived here?

[Chris Cody]

I'm gonna. I'm Googling right now to see if I can get an iguanodon on Amazon.

[Mike Ryan]

You've explained it pretty well. But I'm imagining an iguana that sort of run owns a crime family of iguanas and is the don. Like that's what I'm imagining.

[Lucy Rohdean]

That's also what I thought.

[Greg Cody]

I'm gonna make Lucy an awful. She can't refuse. Also, it's really cold in here.

[Mike Ryan]

That's right.

[Chris Cody]

Collect a prehistoric life iguana. Don Vinyl. Oh, that's a toy. We don't want that.

[Greg Cody]

No, we want the real thing.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's only a thousand dollars too.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, it's. But it's on the screen and it's wearing a hat. Like you guys are making it a full human. You're making it a full human being. I still don't understand, Greg, how you ended up there. Like why and how did you end up there? You seem to think it's totally logical. Can you explain to us how your mind works?

[Chris Cody]

Because I'm trying to think, what is an upright walking dinosaur that's roughly the size of a human being?

[Greg Cody]

There you go.

[Chris Cody]

Lucy, when you see that picture of an iguanodon, would you accept that as a challenge and walk through a mall like that? It's a lesser known dinosaur.

[Dan LeBatard]

I can make it work.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay, so we've got a bid. We've got a bid on a challenge. Not very good. Which mall?

[Greg Cody]

Because I feel like the mall you pick. Really, really dictates. How interesting, how fun.

[Mike Ryan]

How long does she have to walk as an iguanodon through the mall in order to make this work?

[Chris Cody]

That's a very good point. As a challenge, it has to be a very popular mall in prime time, like on a weekend. Like a midday Saturday, 2pm in a dolphin mall or whatever they call that.

[Mike Ryan]

And how long?

[Chris Cody]

I would say a minimum of one hour.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay. How do you feel, Lucy, about Jeremy revealing the other day that sometimes he will just wander around the mall as an exorc exercise to meet people because he wants human contact. He wants. Wow.

[Chris Cody]

I just add.

[Amin Elhassan]

I just like talking to people. I like going into stores and talking to salespeople and purchasing things. Hey, how's your day going?

[Mike Ryan]

Friendly, being social.

[Amin Elhassan]

You having a good day?

[Mike Ryan]

He's not bringing negativity. Thank you so much for helping me to the relationship.

[Lucy Rohdean]

Your picture is posted all over that mall.

[Greg Cody]

Absolutely. I'm calling the authorities.

[Mike Ryan]

What are your thoughts there, Lucy? Are you judging that? Are you saying, good for Jeremy, let him live his freest life?

[Dan LeBatard]

I. I'm judging you because you made it sound like Jeremy's at the mall going up to people and be like, hi, my name's Jeremy. You want to be my friend?

[Stugatz]

That is what he's doing.

[Dan LeBatard]

I cannot judge it is what he's saying.

[Amin Elhassan]

Thank you, Lucy.

[Dan LeBatard]

Going up and talking to salespeople, that's completely different. I cannot judge that because when I lived in Miami and I couldn't make friends, I got so desperate at a point that I was going up to people on the street asking them to be my friend.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. You were dating friends on the Internet? Yes, just not well.

[Greg Cody]

That was a time, right?

[Mike Ryan]

Yes, it was not well at none. Before we get you out of here, what do you have for us on Jim Knowles? We've been talking about a variety of college sports upheaval. What do you have? What are your thoughts there?

[Dan LeBatard]

Honestly? Good for Penn State. We saw last year that Penn State really, like, made some. You're only going to get as far as James Franklin can take you when you're Penn State. So bringing in, like, good coordinators has already made such a huge difference in bringing Andel. Andy Coldelnicki. Excuse me. In last season, it made a huge difference with the Penn State offense with Drew Aller returning. And Penn State has so much talent coming back to go poach the defensive coordinator for the national championship winning team, arguably the best defensive coordinator in college football behind Phil Parker. It was just such like, we are taking this so seriously move. Like this is what exactly what I think Penn State needed to do. Now. Jim Knowles will probably be the highest paid coordinator ever in college sports because he is just. They really, really wanted this move. And so it seems lateral to people. Sometimes it even seems like, okay, you're taking a lesser job. Jim Knowles is going to make so much money and Penn State has really just positioned themselves to be sort of a favorite going into next season.

[Mike Ryan]

Mike and Lucy, the coach that is going to command the most money and deserve it as an assistant is blank. Like that is going to make such a big difference because we're going to make that person the highest paid assistant in, in one of the places that you don't have about marking a ceiling on what you're paying people. You can just pay them whatever you want.

[Lucy Rohdean]

I'll go with someone that I think kind of got demoted last year, but in terms of the talent acquisition game, I think very few people actually realize how integral he is to Ohio State success. And that's Brian Hartline. I think Brian Hartline's one of the best recruiters in the nation. The track record once again and the pros is a little hit or miss, but everyone in the high school ranks knows that if you want to be like potentially a wide receiver that is headed towards Canton, that is a program that you want to be a part of. And Brian Hartline's done such an amazing job of conveying that.

[Greg Cody]

If his agent isn't shopping him around telling people, you want talent, you better call the heartline. That guy deserves it.

[Lucy Rohdean]

That's just like a hipster pick because he's not, you know, like a top assistant.

[Mike Ryan]

No, but it's a good pick to get someone who's good at recruiting. I just am surprised that you're going with a former wide receiver of the Dolphins. Dolphins and a former wide receiver of Ohio State being better at recruiting than everyone else is. How the hell did he develop that?

[Lucy Rohdean]

Miami's gone head to head with him in a lot of battles with a lot of local kids, and Brian Hartlines won the vast majority of those battles.

[Mike Ryan]

Lucy, do you have a selection?

[Dan LeBatard]

I would have gone with Jim Knowles, honestly would have been my answer with. I know that some Ohio State fans aren't happy with the amount of time it took for him to really get Ohio State to the level he wanted to, but he's a game changing coordinator. Like, he can really take your defense from. From something that's solid, from something that's average, to a national championship winning defense, where obviously Ohio State had a great offense this year. Obviously they had some of the best receivers in the country, but their defense was really what solidified them as, as the best team in the postseason and the best team in college football. So I like what Penn State did. I really, really think that, like, the decisions that I'm seeing Penn State make, which I never would have thought I'd say this, especially about James Franklin, but good news.

[Greg Cody]

Lucy, I want to ask, have you heard of Fan Steak? Have you ever heard of this company fanstake? So you and Mike, because you guys are college people, there's a company called fanstake. They do nil crowdsourcing. So basically they say, hey, I'm Miami. I work.

[Lucy Rohdean]

Is this a Kendrick Perkins thing?

[Greg Cody]

I don't know if he's behind it or not, but it's basically I want to go after. The number one athlete is Roy Bellamy. Right.

[Mike Ryan]

And so congratulations.

[Greg Cody]

I created a crowdsourcing where all the, um, fans can go out there through $5, 10 DOL. Whatever it is that they can put in. And then if Roy Bellamy ends up committing to Miami, he gets that money that all these people pledged. But if he doesn't, the money's released back to the people who donated. And I'm assuming the company makes money by taking like a transaction fee or a cut of the play.

[Lucy Rohdean]

I think Kendrick Perkins had something that was adjacent to the space, but he's not with fans. Take. I need more data on it. On the surface, it seems like a pretty novel concept, but I can also understand how certain kids would kind of feel. Take advantage of. To me, it kind of feels a little bit like, like, you know, the boy bands that always complained about their management. A little bit like, hey, we made it. And then you have like this percentage. It's unfair. So there's a lot of hits and misses, but I'd like to see it play out a little bit more.

[Chris Cody]

It sounds like a GoFundMe page for college sports.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, I mean, it's. In essence, it is. But also it's a way for fans to be like, no, I directly contributed to why this guy's coming in our school as opposed to just hoping our nil collective gets it done. Done.

[Dan LeBatard]

Lucy, I. I don't love it. I think kind of one of my more people might not agree with takes with nil is I. I kind of hate that the responsibility has come on to the Fans, I will never donate to Iowa's and I'm just not going to do that. I think there are better things I can give my money to and I don't like, especially when like you'll have coaches come out after a bad loss. I know March Stoops did this at Kentucky and be like, oh, oh well, you want us to win, it's your responsibility to do that. And I think a service like this kind of pushes that narrative that like, if I want my favorite team to win a national championship game, I have to go give them money. I kind of hate that a lot because I think that especially college football where most of the fan bases aren't these big, you know, major cities, they're small midwestern areas, you know, the South. Like it's not super wealthy, wealthy areas to ask that the fans fund these teams. I really actively hate. So I don't love that. I think it's like a, like a nifty idea. I would never participate in it. And I think that it does sort of spread this kind of idea that like you have to give money to your team when a lot of fans are already giving money to their team. They're already buying merch. They're already buying season tickets. They're already going to games. Like, you guys are bleeding us dry.

[Lucy Rohdean]

I wholeheartedly agree with Lucy and I say that as someone that has the season tickets, has the merch and also contributes to the NIL collective, I thought that things might change with Rev Share. It hasn't. And quite honestly, you have people in positions of power in college athletics, be it administrators or college coaches make these demands, but they are not actually contributing to this pot. Their salaries are not going down. The game has changed. The labor is getting paid. You would think that the administrators and the coaches would feel that a little bit. No. Nope. It goes directly down to the consumer, down to the fans, and they're the ones getting the guilt trips.

[Chris Cody]

As the college coach salaries escalate, where $10 million a year is no longer considered particularly unusual, a segment, a percentile of those coaches salaries should go to nil.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, that's happening right now. They're making coaches take pay cuts. They're doing it all over the Norvell did it.

[Lucy Rohdean]

Norvell.

[Chris Cody]

And that's smart.

[Dan LeBatard]

Paying Gundy did it too.

[Mike Ryan]

They're taking, well, he didn't win a game in the conference. He should give all his money back.

[Lucy Rohdean]

But I think your larger point is they should be doing this as a default, not as like, oh, sorry, I won Two games. So buyer's remorse.

[Mike Ryan]

I honestly cannot think of a business plan anywhere that works this way where the players are paid, but not by the colleges. Like, they're paid directly by the fans.

[Lucy Rohdean]

They're going to be paid by the colleges now with Rev Share, but it's not going to be equal to what they make off of it. And the people that are.

[Mike Ryan]

What it's been is super weird to say, look, look. Yeah, we. Okay, all right. We should pay players and then go beg for it. Right? Like, and then. And yeah, you got us. You got us. We should. We should indeed pay. You guys want to take care of this? It's like going to dinner with Greg. It's like, hey, want to go to dinner? Sure. You're paying, right?

[Lucy Rohdean]

I will say what you're seeing across the nation right now is the Rev Share is actually making boosters pay more because you have programs, and I explained this before on the show, but you have a program like Duke, which sets the market when they acquire Mensa from Tulane. Duke would never raise 15 million doll for their football program, but with Rev Share, they do. So they're all of a sudden in the game for talent acquisition. So what do they do out the gates? They establish the market. Mensa gets more than twice of what Cam Ward got previously. So you see how that alters. And now to make that up. Okay, Rev Share. I have a cap on what I can commit in terms of Rev Share. How am I going to make up that money if I talk to someone that really prioritizes nil in the marketplace? You're going to have to go to your boosters, and they're going to actually have to contribute more than they used to.

[Mike Ryan]

Put it on the poll, please. Juju, do you want to hear the phrase Rev Share when talking about sports? And also, Lucy, I think that nifty is an old person's word. Do I have this wrong Ebitard show? Put it on the poll. Is nifty an old person's word? Because I don't believe that that's something that should come out of the mouth of anyone who's under 50 years old. Greg Cody seems to agree with me.

[Chris Cody]

It's a great word to use. I appreciated hearing it. She's bringing it back, Jack. I mean, nifty is from the 1960s. Let's bring it back. It's like, cool. It's like, groovy. Nifty.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, I think of it more as, like, Happy days. Frisky. Like frisky as an expression for sex. It's not something that anyone's doing anymore. They were doing it in the 70s on television because you couldn't say sex in the 70s.

[Greg Cody]

Fresh is another one. Are you getting fresh with me? That means yeah.

[Chris Cody]

My mother always used to.

[Dan LeBatard]

I like that.

[Amin Elhassan]

Fresh is a good one.

[Mike Ryan]

Lucy, thank you for being on with us. We'll figure out this challenge. Right now, the highest bidder is iguanodon walking through a mall for some reason for an hour. Lucy, challenge is where you go anywhere on the Internet. If you want to submit over the next couple of days, we have to get this done by Monday. Thank you, Lucy.

[Dan LeBatard]

Thanks. It was nifty fresh with you.

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[Mike Ryan]

Don Lebatard he seems like a not.

[Dan LeBatard]

Nice guy and he's always been a not nice guy. I don't care for him and I hope he has the day he deserves.

[Chris Cody]

Oh wow, let's see.

[Mike Ryan]

Stugats. I hope he has the day he deserves.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's how I get people when they're really mean to me. I'm not like go f yourself. I'm like, I hope you have the day you deserve.

[Mike Ryan]

It's a great kind. It's a great kind. Insult. Yes, it's beautiful. It's leaving it to the cosmos to sort it out.

[Stugatz]

That's a less Southern.

[Greg Cody]

Bless your heart.

[Roy Bellamy]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Mike Ryan]

I want to get to this sound from Stephen A. Smith, but before I do so did you guys have any thoughts on Bill Belichick saying that they should rename the Lombardi trophy, maybe for Tom Brady, that they should just rename it the Tom Brady Trophy.

[Chris Cody]

Well, when I first heard about it, I thought it was just such a spectacularly dumb idea. And then to Bill's credit, I heard later that he was just quote unquote, joking. He was kidding.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah. I must say, if it's sincere, it's too little too late. Bill, you can't come in now and try to make things right.

[Mike Ryan]

He's saying his point is players win, coaches do not win.

[Lucy Rohdean]

I thought it was admirable for him to say and probably a pretty good idea. That's a guy that I've seen lift it more than, than anybody else. So I, I, I didn't think there were any kind of intentions there. Maybe he benefits from in the public space saying no, like Tom Brady. I owe a lot of my success to him, but I thought it was nice. Am I whack for that?

[Mike Ryan]

I would have preferred if he had said they should rename it for me.

[Greg Cody]

There you go.

[Mike Ryan]

Not me, Dan.

[Chris Cody]

Oh.

[Greg Cody]

I was, I was all aboard for that one.

[Lucy Rohdean]

I saw it get clipped. I'm like you. They can't say anything. This is like, such a nice compliment from the greatest at his job ever. Complimenting the greatest ever at his job. They just so happen to be in the same place at the same time, and then people are running, making takes out of it.

[Greg Cody]

I just think you can't name something after something that's already been named. Right. And by the way, if I give you winning isn't everything. It's the only thing you give me. The thing that Tom Brady said that was like, oh, that's on the same level.

[Amin Elhassan]

Lfg.

[Lucy Rohdean]

What if it's a body of water?

[Mike Ryan]

I find that you cannot do this stuff for people who have played this recently. Like these trophies have to have some sort of pass. They have to. They can't. You can't name it after somebody who stopped playing a couple of years ago.

[Greg Cody]

Right.

[Chris Cody]

Plus, what if Mahomes five years, six years from now, has won more Super Bowls than Brady Gonna call it the Mahomes Cup.

[Mike Ryan]

It should be, but Belichick should replace Lombardi. Though, if it like calling it the Belichick Trophy. I mean, Belichick is more success. What do you mean?

[Chris Cody]

No, I mean, it's the Vince Lombardi trophy.

[Lucy Rohdean]

Are you suggesting that maybe this was his intention? There's an MVP award that could be for Brady. Yeah, but if we're actually going. Coaches, it's a guy who just said, name it the Brady.

[Chris Cody]

The Frozen Tundra not helpful.

[Mike Ryan]

So let's play for the people.

[Chris Cody]

John for send a voice.

[Mike Ryan]

The frozen tundra less helpful even than before.

[Amin Elhassan]

Pretty nifty impression.

[Mike Ryan]

We have even less help helpful. Let's get Lucy back and see if she could be less helpful. Let's get some sound here from Stephen A. Smith here. And you guys tell me if I were to tell you that this was a private conversation and this was not for television, Stephen A. Smith was pulling a father aside to tell him that he should not have his son deployed to fight in that particular war. That seems to be going poorly. If the tone and the cadence and the advice wouldn't be comparable.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Right now Bronny James is averaging 0.3 points, 0.3 assists and 0.4 rebounds. You know what people are saying. You know what they're going to do to this kid. In 13 games he has played 44 minutes, he has scored 4 points. He is shooting 1 of 16 from the field, 0 for 7 from 3 point range. How are you doing him favors? And I'm saying this with compassion. I'm asking the greatest player in the game, one of the top two players in the history of basketball, an ambassador for this game, the face of the league, a four time champion, a guy that's going to 10 NBA finals, one of the greatest we have ever or will ever see, who is a basketball savant. You know what these numbers mean. You know what it's going to do to your son, to people who are missing out on opportunities that are busting their tail on other NBA teams in the G League, in Europe and everywhere else. What kind of opportunity they're starving for. You're exposing your son like this.

[Greg Cody]

I love the Stephen A. Crutch. I don't know if you guys ever noticed this when he's making a ticket take is to just start naming things off a resume. He loves going to that. Like if you talk about LeBron James, the point he's trying to make, he has to like take a sidetrack to remind you the 17 time all star 22 time this, like these. None of these things support his point or further his point in any way. They're just words to let him kind of think of some other stuff.

[Stugatz]

Why is Mad Dog so yellow in this clip?

[Mike Ryan]

Can we put that back up there please? Because this is jarring. He's listening the entire time and I feel like we could have put a paper paper mache mannequin up of Mad Dog up there because that lighting is so bad. It makes me.

[Stugatz]

And he's doing a zoolander face.

[Mike Ryan]

Real.

[Greg Cody]

He looks like a Simpsons character. Oh, wow. That's a good call, Roy.

[Mike Ryan]

It is the face of jaundice.

[Greg Cody]

He. He looks like. What's Lenny.

[Stugatz]

Lenny?

[Greg Cody]

Yes, Lenny from the Simpsons.

[Mike Ryan]

That color is very poor lighting. It's doing him no favors. But that is a good look. That right there, that is the. That's how he got the job. That is the reason that he is the giant that he is in the industry. Why it is that he can share a space with Stephen A. Smith. I'm going to do it now. He invented sports radio. He started his own satellite channel.

[Greg Cody]

Hold on. Tell me, tell me.

[Mike Ryan]

That is a Simpsons character on stage who is also on the screen, who is also yelling. It is uncanny. It is the same thing, really.

[Greg Cody]

Same haircut.

[Mike Ryan]

What do you make of this? Just general parental concern. When Amin says of Belichick and when Mike says of the idea of anytime you put content out there, what it is there for, especially in the Internet age, mostly in the Internet age, is to be made fun. Fun of. It's to be a source of jokes. Duval to create a content factory around what is a parental concern. That I think is a little bit extreme. Right? I mean this is a professional basketball player, son of a famous person who's been famous since he was 16 years old. The level of concern and furthermore, whatever you're thinking of his basketball talents in the G League, he's. He's been better. Correct. Like he's been. He's. He's allowed to grow some. Correct?

[Chris Cody]

Yeah. He just had a 30 point game in the G league.

[Amin Elhassan]

I think we all owe Bronny James an apology.

[Mike Ryan]

Just. This is the other side of this.

[Amin Elhassan]

No, as. As media, as people who consume and cover basketball. He's the 55th pick. No one has ever paid this much attention to a player drafted at the end of the second round. And that player who was drafted at the end of the second round scored 31 points the other night in a G league game. He's averaging 23 points over per game over his last three, shooting 46% from three. He's played really well at the G league level as a rookie second round pick. And now at the big league level in the NBA, he gets torched by Tyrese Maxey, a great all star caliber guard. It's going to have happen. No one's paying attention to the games where Pelo Larson, a second round pick for the Heat has three fouls in the first minute and a half. But if it was Bronnie, we would be losing our minds nationally. And I'm so frustrated on his behalf that he can't just start an NBA career the way that any other kid drafted in that spot would be able to.

[Stugatz]

He works hard.

[Chris Cody]

I. I don't need Stephen A. Smith to tell me how to parent my son. Okay. If you're the son of Rembrandt, you're allowed to try your hand at painting knowing that you're never going to be your dad. Charlie woods, perfectly entitled to take up a golf career even though he's never going to be his dad. It's ridiculous to not allow Bronny to try to fly on his own.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, hold on a second. We are allowing it. And there are a lot of stops between the parental concern that Stephen A. Smith creates performatively to create content, the guy that you're going to be talking about, and owing him an apology. There are a couple of exit ramps between those two things. I don't think I owe Bronny James an apology because he scored 30 in a G league game, but I do want to just address. This is just another way to talk about LeBron in a way that connects with audience. Correct. It's a new way to talk about LeBron in a way that connects with your audience that has fathers in it. And now you can say on behalf of fathers, you can have an interesting conversation about whether you're doing something good for your son or not by giving him a shortcut in a world that doesn't really allow those when it comes to roster spots very often.

[Chris Cody]

I think Jeremy made a good point in noting that he was drafted number 55. I don't know what the history of 55th draft picks is. It can't be very good. And the idea is he came in without much expectation. He came in 55th. You don't. You know, it's not like we were expecting him to be an all star by now or to be, you know, starting for his team. It's crazy. Let him fail. Let him.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, what's real here? What's true? What between the two spots? What is the accurate basketball appraisal?

[Greg Cody]

The accurate basketball appraisal is the same one it was before the draft. This is someone who right now is not an NBA player would get very well serviced to have a couple of years of development somewhere in a controlled environment. And then in a few years, he exhibits certain traits that maybe could be polished into a serviceable NBA rotation player. That day is not anywhere soon. And so when JJ Redick says, I put him in A tough spot. I said, what's the spot? An NBA game? Because that's. He looks like someone who's not an NBA player. Because he's not. That's real. As Jeremy pointed out, he's played well in the G League. He's only played three G League games. He's only played three games.

[Amin Elhassan]

He's played 10 overall because there was like the tournament technically. And in that, he wasn't as good as he's been in the last few years.

[Greg Cody]

I'm talking about just regular. And we're not talking about the showcase. We're just talking about, hey, I play for the team. These are my numbers. This is what I do. They've been good and like in three games though, right? Like, the idea that, like, to me, and I can't speak as a parent, I'm just speaking as a basketball person. As a basketball person.

[Mike Ryan]

You can speak as a parent.

[Greg Cody]

I can, but I don't want to do that. Right. This whole. To me, that's performative. This has nothing to do with LeBron. As a parent. Right? This has everything to do with. If you want this player to get better, let him just stay in the G League. Do not have him coming up on road trips and stuff. Because here's the thing that a lot of people don't realize. NBA teams don't practice a whole lot. There's not a lot of practice time. Guys get shots up. We watch a lot of film. We do maybe some 5 on oh stuff. Every once in a while we'll do a walkthrough on game day. But it's not like you're getting the type of development, hard practices that you get in the G league environment where they're practicing and they're playing. They're practicing and they're playing in the NBA. It's like there's a lot of conserving of our guys. We don't want them to go. So when they say he's played well in the stay ready game, what that is is because we don't practice as a team. The guys who don't play either because at their end of rotation or they're coming back from injury or whatever it is, those guys play in like little three on threes and two on twos and stuff like that. Because it's like, hey, just because you haven't been playing, you have to stay ready, stay conditioned. Well, that's nice for an NBA player to have something to keep sharp with with. It's not so great for a guy who's not an NBA player. You need five, one, five. That's what the G League is for. It is a minor league so that we can send our guys somewhere where they run our offense, where they have our principles and he can get better in that controlled environment where not everybody is 9 million times better than he is.

[Chris Cody]

It's pointed out to me this is.

[Mike Ryan]

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[Lucy Rohdean]

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