The Big Suey: The Jilted Lovers of Aaron Rodgers

Summary

Episode Summary: The Big Suey: The Jilted Lovers of Aaron Rodgers

Podcast: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hosts: Dan Le Batard, Jon Stugotz, Greg Cody, Tony, Chris Cody
Release Date: March 11, 2025
Episode Title: The Big Suey: The Jilted Lovers of Aaron Rodgers

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Introduction

In this episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz titled "The Big Suey: The Jilted Lovers of Aaron Rodgers," hosts Dan Le Batard, Jon Stugotz, Greg Cody, Tony, and Chris Cody delve deep into the tumultuous career and potential future moves of NFL quarterback Aaron Rodgers. The discussion navigates through Rodgers' recent performances, his rumored interest in joining the Pittsburgh Steelers, and the broader implications for both Rodgers and the teams involved. Additionally, the hosts touch upon topics such as reality television trends and engage with their audience through a contest announcement.

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Selection Sunday and Contest Announcement

Planning for Selection Sunday

The episode kicks off with a lively discussion about the upcoming Selection Sunday. Jon Stugotz raises questions about the show's plans for a live broadcast on this significant sports event.

Jon Stugotz (02:16):
"We’re going to do a live show off of Selection Sunday because it’s a fun day to just have a silly party. What are we doing?"

Contest Details

Tony introduces a contest inviting listeners to submit a 30-second video explaining why they deserve to watch the championship game with Dan Le Batard. The winner will receive an in-person meet and greet.

Tony (04:06):
"We need you to get a 30-second video, submit that video, tell us why you should be watching this championship game with Dan."

Jon Stugotz (05:28):
"Levitardf.com submit your video less than 30 seconds. If it’s over, probably won’t watch it once we get 64."

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Reality Television Trends

The Evolution of Reality TV

The conversation shifts to the state of reality television, with the hosts comparing traditional formats to modern iterations influenced by social media.

Dan LeBatard (12:23):
"I just follow people on social media. That’s enough of a reality show. Like, I consume speed via clips."

Chris Cody (11:02):
"I don’t want reality TV to delve into someone’s personal therapy or mental health. I wish Alec Baldwin well, but I don’t want to know that much about him."

Critique of Current Reality Shows

The hosts express a preference for earlier reality TV formats and critique the current trend of making shows overly intimate.

Jon Stugotz (11:09):
"But the reality television shows have to continue to be cheap programming and evolve. Just putting cameras inside someone’s house and showing the deepest of intimacies in celebrity."

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Spring Training Game Highlight

Phillies Manager Rob Thompson's Reaction

A humorous segment showcases Phillies manager Rob Thompson being mic'd up during a spring training game where pitcher Jesus Lizardo throws three consecutive pitches out of the park with Thompson remaining unusually silent.

Jon Stugotz (09:52):
"That was Rob Thompson's look after the third home run."

Greg Cody (08:17):
"Those in-game interviews, you’re always like, oh, nothing ever happens during these. Well, something happened during this one."

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The Aaron Rodgers and Pittsburgh Steelers Debate

Rodgers' Potential Move to the Steelers

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to debating the plausibility and implications of Aaron Rodgers potentially joining the Pittsburgh Steelers. The hosts analyze Rodgers' current performance, his age, and how his personality might fit within the Steelers' culture.

Jon Stugotz (25:04):
"Aaron Rodgers is a good stopgap one-year quarterback for somebody, but he hasn’t been... he was on a bad Jets team and he couldn’t elevate it."

Dan LeBatard (36:15):
"Aaron Rodgers has fallen off completely since trying to force a ball to Devonte Adams and missing a wide-open receiver in the playoffs against the 49ers. He’s fallen off a cliff."

Comparison with Other Quarterbacks

The discussion involves comparing Rodgers with other quarterbacks like Geno Smith, Russell Wilson, and Jameis Winston, evaluating their performances and fit within potential teams.

Tony (38:13):
"If I was the Steelers, I’d go after Jameis Winston. That’s excellent anarchy from you."

Jon Stugotz (39:12):
"Jameis Winston, I'm pretty sure he threw 30 interceptions."

Impact on the Steelers

The hosts contemplate the potential impact Rodgers would have on the Steelers, considering the team's existing dynamics and Mike Tomlin's coaching style.

Tony (31:50):
"But does Mike Tomlin want to put up with the Aaron Rodgers circus? Because that does not seem like a fit to me."

Dan LeBatard (32:33):
"Aaron Rodgers bringing to that organization, no turnovers has more value than whatever fear you have of headlines that don’t matter much."

Audience Engagement and Final Thoughts

Jon Stugotz wraps up the debate by reflecting on Rodgers' legacy and the realistic outcomes of such a move.

Dan LeBatard (41:00):
"We are such Aaron Rodgers jilted lovers. He was our favorite of all time and he hurt us repeatedly, and we just want to believe he was the best version of himself. But I think we got to accept who he is now."

Jon Stugotz (41:36):
"No, because Mike Tomlin signed him and having it blow up in your face could be the end of Mike Tomlin."

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Conclusion

Throughout this episode, the hosts provide a comprehensive examination of Aaron Rodgers' career trajectory and his potential fit with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Balancing humor with in-depth analysis, The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz offers listeners a multifaceted perspective on the complexities of quarterback movements in the NFL. Additionally, the engaging segments on reality TV trends and interactive contests reinforce the show's commitment to connecting with its audience on various fronts.

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Notable Quotes:

• Tony (04:06):
  "We need you to get a 30-second video, submit that video, tell us why you should be watching this championship game with Dan."

• Jon Stugotz (25:04):
  "Aaron Rodgers is a good stopgap one-year quarterback for somebody, but he hasn’t been... he was on a bad Jets team and he couldn’t elevate it."

• Dan LeBatard (36:15):
  "Aaron Rodgers has fallen off completely since trying to force a ball to Devonte Adams and missing a wide-open receiver in the playoffs against the 49ers. He’s fallen off a cliff."

• Tony (31:50):
  "But does Mike Tomlin want to put up with the Aaron Rodgers circus? Because that does not seem like a fit to me."

• Dan LeBatard (41:00):
  "We are such Aaron Rodgers jilted lovers. He was our favorite of all time and he hurt us repeatedly, and we just want to believe he was the best version of himself. But I think we got to accept who he is now."

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This detailed summary captures the essence of the episode, highlighting the main discussions, key insights, and memorable quotes, providing a comprehensive overview for those who haven't tuned in.

Transcript

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[Jon Stugotz]

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[Dan LeBatard]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Jon Stugotz]

Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to.

[Dan LeBatard]

The other Dan LeBatard podcast?

[Chris Cody]

I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that.

[Jon Stugotz]

In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys. I've done it. And now here's the Marching man to Nowhere Fat Face and the Habitual Liar.

[Greg Cody]

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[Jon Stugotz]

Can you guys let me know who it is and what it is that's going to be happening on Sunday around here during Selection Sunday where we're going to be doing a live. Who's going to be in with us? Are we going for the show in America that knows the very least about college basketball doing a live show off of Selection Sunday because it's a fun day to just have a silly party. What are we doing?

[Greg Cody]

That's actually what we're titling it. What you just said that wordy sentence.

[Jon Stugotz]

It should be yes, the America's least informed Selection Sunday show. Yes. I mean because between us, I think all of us can name Cooper Flagg and then everyone else is just laundry that you're betting on that everyone else is Maryland -5. That so I don't know who the Guests are. But you guys are planning something. Are we going to then unveil what our tournament is going to be on Sunday? Because I just saw Billy, the ad for our tournament and you've heard my declining trust in our audience to be clever competitively based on what it is that they've done on that Boost Mobile Stugotz line.

[Tony]

I'm with you. I've been seeing some of the video submissions so far. They are dreadful audience. Step it up. The heck up. All right, so levitard.com if you want to go and submit and you can win a big prize. Look, lawyers be damned, because here's the thing, we've been walking around this situation. There's so much red tape around here. They should call this place 3M Edelark. You know what I mean? With all the tape that we have to work through around these parts. So lawyers be damned. Here's the prize, people. This is a prize people used to pay tens of thousands of dollars for. Okay, you're going to be able to. Come on.

[Dan LeBatard]

Tens of thousands of dollars.

[Tony]

Hold on a second, let me. Hold on a second, Let me finish. Hold on a second. Let me finish here. All right, we need you to come in here. Phrasing. Hold on a second. All right, we need you to get a 30 second video, submit that video, tell us why you should be watching this championship game with Dan, right? And then the winner is going to have the opportunity to watch the championship game with Dan. Not Dan leb, with Dan LeBatard and. And some others who are yet to be confirmed and, you know, signed up for all that. And then if I understand properly from the multiple meetings we've had and if I haven't, I'm sure this is going to be edited out or we're doing it now.

[Jon Stugotz]

It's live right now, Billy. There's no editing out.

[Tony]

No, it's fine.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, we can do that.

[Tony]

We can.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, we can always fix it. But we can always fix it.

[Tony]

And then, and then the winner selected by fellow fans, the winner then at a date to be determined, is going to have a nice in person meet and greet situation. So I don't think we've expressed this properly because there hasn't been the proper enthusiasm around this contest. But again, people used to pay tens of thousands of dollars for this opportunity. So if you go to le batardaf.com you can submit your video, you can tell everybody here why it is that you are the one that should be here. Or, or, or you could just make a really annoying video that Then the fans will decide. You know what? I really want to annoy this group of people and I want to send the worst person possible. I want to send the William Hung of the fans to go the Sanjaya, if you will, fans to go and hang out with them because they can't get out of it. They're gonna have to sit there and they're gonna have to endure this. And we, the fans are in complete control. So, fans, this is your chance of revenge. Every time you sit there and you say, you know what? I don't wanna hear about this damn Pat McAfee anymore. Well, guess what? Why don't you win and then talk to us about bobby pins or yarn or whatever it is you wanna talk about. Submit your video, get the fans to vote for you, little engagement. Go back and forth with the guys and the girls and everybody here, and that's it. Levitardf.com submit your video less than 30 seconds. If it's over 30 seconds, probably won't watch it once we get 64. Honestly, the way things go around here, we're probably gonna cap it off. We're not gonna look at 65 through, you know, 68 or however any people submit. So you should just submit it now as quickly as you can. We need this energy from you guys.

[Greg Cody]

Some hints, little tips. Don't tell us how long you've been listening.

[Tony]

We don't care. Well, no, that's not true.

[Greg Cody]

I'm just saying it's not a good.

[Tony]

Way to get like you don't care. Listen, listen. Save all of those interesting things like how long you've been listening, who's your favorite, all of that for when you win and we can talk to you in person and can't get away from you.

[Greg Cody]

Zagaki.

[Jon Stugotz]

Are we all Delaware fans today? Are we all Blue Hens today? Is Greg Cody wearing that blue shirt at least in part because he is a hen.

[Chris Cody]

Yes, I am. Love Delaware Henning it. Love my Hens.

[Greg Cody]

Now, if you don't know about this story, they are the 12th seed out of the CAA conference and they, I think lost eight out of nine out of 10 games to end the season. They're 16, 19. Just a bad team, but they've gone on a run here and tonight they will play for their conference championship for a chance to punch their ticket into the dance.

[Chris Cody]

The Magic Hens.

[Greg Cody]

We are all Delaware Blue Hen fans tonight.

[Chris Cody]

Damn right we are. Let's go. How come the rest of you aren't wearing blue like me? Well, leitard is well Done. By the way, does the winner of that contest get to not only watch the game with you, but sit on your lap?

[Tony]

Well, no, no.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah. There's lawyers you can Santa.

[Chris Cody]

Okay.

[Tony]

3M.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, that would be great.

[Jon Stugotz]

People have paid. I think the largest amount of money that has been paid to do any of these silly things with us is $35,000. So yesterday's price is not today's price.

[Tony]

I think that was in 2022. And those people never came. So that was just like a nice chair to whack for them. So, hey, thanks to you guys for the 35k charity. Dicky V or Jimmy V, all the V's out there.

[Jon Stugotz]

Wow, Billy, excellent work. You really did great work with everything there. Just totally button that I expect from you. Also a contest that is run by you trying to actively annoy me.

[Tony]

Oh, no, no. It's not run by me. It's now become run by me. But was not. That was not the intention. I was just the idea man.

[Jon Stugotz]

Okay, excellent.

[Tony]

Now I'm the closer.

[Jon Stugotz]

Okay.

[Tony]

Spratledge, they call me. Just. Hopefully we're not pitching Albert Pujolses. You know what I mean?

[Jon Stugotz]

I'll closer Bob save. Let's. Let's play some video here that I want to show people about. I don't know who is presently playing for the Marlins. I know that Jesus Lizardo now in Philadelphia. And I want you just to know before I play this video that the entire time that this is happening, they've got Phillies manager Rob Thompson miked for sound, and he's watching Jesus Lizardo pitch. Jesus Lizardo's first pitch is a 2:1 pitch with the bases loaded. He throws three consecutive pitches, and all three of those pitches go out of the park as Thompson is just totally silent during the entirety of this conversation. He's supposed to be having one of.

[Greg Cody]

Those in game interviews, you're always like, oh, nothing ever happens during these. Well, something happened during this one.

[Jon Stugotz]

All right, watch this.

[Chris Cody]

Turn the switch up a little bit every day. And so that we're 100% going into the season, but at the same time, staying healthy.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, two one on the way to Jones. Swing and a drive. Deep drive.

[Jon Stugotz]

Sosa goes back. It is way out of here.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's a grand slam for Jamai Jones.

[Tony]

430Ft, 112 off the bat.

[Jon Stugotz]

So the double was 114 off the bat.

[Dan LeBatard]

This one 112 competition. Jones right now looking good against selectings.

[Tony]

He sure did.

[Dan LeBatard]

Andy Ibanez.

[Jon Stugotz]

Senso back. He's out of room, back to back shots.

[Dan LeBatard]

Andy Ibanez not as far, not as hard off the bat, but equally impressive. And it is all of a sudden a five nothing game as Lazardo has given up. Back to back. Topper, you're a great guy for A, hanging with us here, but B, in this sort of context of what goes on in the spring training game.

[Tony]

He.

[Dan LeBatard]

Sends it to left field. Sosa is not gonna get it.

[Jon Stugotz]

Back to back to back.

[Chris Cody]

Three pitches.

[Dan LeBatard]

My goodness.

[Jon Stugotz]

Thompson winced on the last one, the way you would if someone scared you if you walked into a room and someone actually caught you entirely off guard.

[Dan LeBatard]

You remember that video of Alec Baldwin in court when they're cross examining a witness that had a bunch of good things to say about Alec and at some point then why'd you call him a bleep sucker? And he just picks his head up like real quick. It's the only reaction he had. That was Rob Thompson's look after the third home run.

[Jon Stugotz]

Have you guys watched any of the Baldwin documentary that's in the middle of his life as all. Not documentary, reality show, as all of this happens. He's got six or seven kids he's chasing around. I've always found him interesting, arrogant beyond all reason. But do you guys have any interest, I judge from the look on your faces, none of you want to read or hear anything or watch anything involving Alec Baldwin's real life.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, I saw like an unfortunate video of like a Trump impersonator ambushing him outside of his apartment to ask him about killing somebody. And it was just, it didn't seem like a fun life.

[Chris Cody]

I don't like the idea of reality TV being so real that they're all of a sudden in a therapy room when Alec Baldwin is, you know, going through counseling. I think that's too much. I don't want to know that much about Alec. I wish him well.

[Jon Stugotz]

Isn't that what reality shows are? To get you deeper? The whole popularity. You must not be interested in any reality show.

[Chris Cody]

I think there's difference between what reality TV used to be. Right? Reality tv. I think the, the, it started off by, you know, putting 10 people on a deserted island and make them do this, that and the other. It, it shouldn't involve someone's personal therapy, someone's mental health being, being splayed out for all to see. I'm just uncomfortable with that.

[Greg Cody]

Someone's never watched the Kardashians.

[Chris Cody]

Well, I don't like that either.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's also like an augmented reality. They put people in These situations, reality shows. I'm with Greg. I want to hearken back to a day when people stopped being polite and started getting real.

[Jon Stugotz]

Okay. But the reality television shows have to continue to be cheap programming and evolve. And so the way to evolve is be more intimate than you have been before. Go into places you. This is a very cheap form of programming. Cheap programming right now is all of the rage. And just putting cameras inside someone's house and showing you the deepest of intimacies in celebrity. This is a currency that all of us are partaking in. In social media. We have more access to celebrities and their lives than we have ever had before.

[Dan LeBatard]

Which is why I don't need reality shows. I've cut them completely out. I don't watch a reality show. What I do is follow people on social media. And that's enough of a reality show. Like, I consume speed via clips. I'm like, okay, that's my reality superstar. This YouTube streamer. I think that's really where reality is gone. And there's these reality type shows on YouTube. And that being said, there's, you know, Vanderpump rules and all these really popular shows. The Kardashians are still reality TV gold from a rating standpoint, but it just does nothing for me.

[Greg Cody]

The Paul brothers are about to star one on Max that I think starts later this month.

[Dan LeBatard]

Like, I don't need a Paul Brothers show, and I'm sure it's gonna be uber successful. It's on Max. Like, I personally don't need it because they're always on. They're literally always on. Like, they. They send out a selfie video, they're performing. I see the reality show 24 7. They're YouTube streamers, they have a podcast. They're on Monday Night Raw. Like, they're boxing Mike Tyson. Like, I see it all.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah. Their whole life is a reality show. So why do you need a reality show about a reality show? Right? I mean, that. That's the Paul brothers.

[Jon Stugotz]

Well, I want to ask you guys a couple of questions on this front. One, what is the universally considered most successful of the reality shows and which one is doing it right now? Does Survivor and the Bachelor, Those count as reality shows, right? That's not just. I saw that Kris Cody was mouthing Kardashians back there, cuz he says that's the most successful one.

[Dan LeBatard]

Jersey Shore, I think in terms of like building an economy that set up generational wealth for that family and all the kids, it's a Kardashian. So that was a gold Mine and now.

[Jon Stugotz]

And now. The best and the. Are the most popular. No, no. But the most popular of the reality shows now. Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

Love is Blind probably. I think everybody's on Love is Blind right now. Everything is. Everything else is kind of reruns. Love is Blind is on its fifth season. So it's a little bit. You know, aren't there two different, like.

[Greg Cody]

There'S like competition love shows and then there's like, I'm at your house, you're living your life.

[Jon Stugotz]

These are two different types of reality shows. The dating shows. Your different branch of reality.

[Greg Cody]

I hold similarly, like, you know, cheap and like, bottom level of the creative space.

[Unknown Guest]

Bottom.

[Dan LeBatard]

How do you have time? I don't have time for. How do you have time? You have a kid. How do you have time for reality shows?

[Greg Cody]

You think I'm watching all these. I'm just talking about.

[Dan LeBatard]

I just. I don't. Who has time?

[Greg Cody]

I mean, Kardashians is a little guilty pleasure for me. Every once in a while I'm scanning through Hulu, I'll throw Kardashians on.

[Dan LeBatard]

At the point of my life, I watched the last season of White Lotus. I enjoyed it. I just told my wife, do it, do it without me. I don't have time. Indian Wells isn't gonna watch itself. Look, I got. I got like, basically three things a week. It's hockey on the second TVs where I'm just like zoned out. Whatever's going on on the main screen is my wife's domain. Cyclone Mondays, I got, you know, that was on the second screen. I had to move out of the way for big city greens because my daughter's a terrorist with this main tv, like, I just shut off my life. I can't follow anything. I got Indian Wells. If I wake up at 2:30 in the morning to see Monfils do his thing, that's always gonna be there for me. I got. Basically, I get three and a half hours of TV and I'm spending it watching left turns.

[Jon Stugotz]

The first four episodes of White Lotus are a good two episodes.

[Dan LeBatard]

Dude, I'm mad. I watched Righteous Gemstones because I'm like, this is gonna be the show that I'm.

[Jon Stugotz]

That was wrong. What they did in their first episode was wrong.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm so mad.

[Jon Stugotz]

I don't need more Bradley Cooper. I gemstones. I don't need origin stories of the gemstones. Don't. You didn't give me any characters from the gemstones.

[Dan LeBatard]

This is a dangerous game. Righteous Gemstones. And I'm sorry to be Going at our partners over at Max. But I love this show. This is one of the few shows that I've been like, let me binge this one. I'm in. What you did to me on that first episode was wrong. Please don't do it to me for a second episode. I need Walton Goggins. I need Baby Billy.

[Jon Stugotz]

I'll tell you. I'll tell you what it is that they did with their first episode. I believe Danny McBride is hell bent on spending as much money as he can, and so he just did a war reenactment as Righteous Gemstones. It was. I'm looking at the cost of what it is that first episode was. And I thought I was watching Platoon more than I was watching Righteous Gemstone.

[Dan LeBatard]

The talent budget definitely got blown on Bradley Cooper because there wasn't a single other actor in that episode that I recognize. And that's hard to do for an HBO show.

[Jon Stugotz]

They just decided to do a war episode with, like, that. It looked real, and it's not what I want from my gemstones.

[Unknown Guest]

Can I make a. Can I have a question here? So Reggie Gemstones is about a megachurch family. That's kind of like the thing. I haven't seen it.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yes, but why?

[Unknown Guest]

Is there a war?

[Dan LeBatard]

No, it was a Civil war, and they went all the way back to the roots of the family. Like, you can tell what happened here. Danny McBride got extra high one day. Like, super high. Like, higher than he's probably ever been, which is saying a lot. And he's like, what if we did a Civil War episode and it's Bradley Cooper?

[Jon Stugotz]

I imagine that show's gonna have a ton of great cameos. It's an inspired show, and I'm really stunned nobody did it before these folks are doing it.

[Dan LeBatard]

But I was waiting for a laugh.

[Jon Stugotz]

On that first episode. It was weird. It was weird. It was weird. There were no laughs.

[Dan LeBatard]

I think. Is that the joke that they just tricked us with? The first episode is the laugh. Hey, we got Bradley Cooper for an episode, and we play it straight.

[Jon Stugotz]

The whole time, I thought that Danny McBride was actively making a statement about spending corporate in the streaming age, that he just said, I've got a popular show. I'm the one who can get stuff made. Watch what I do with this. I'm just gonna do something that's not funny. That's a. That is a. Have you seen it yet?

[Chris Cody]

You think he was showing off?

[Dan LeBatard]

I did. This is a. This is a good theory. Like, there goes 30 of my minutes. Like, I wasted 30 of my minutes on that. It was a little bit over that and I was just so mad at it because my TV time now is precious.

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[Jon Stugotz]

Shopify.com batard Don LeBatard surely every time you're watching this, you recognize that your wife is laughing, that she married she married Larry David.

[Chris Cody]

I do, yeah. One of the great characters in the history of television. In my humble opinion and and to my credit, my personality.

[Jon Stugotz]

In my humble opinion, followed by to my credit, amazing.

[Chris Cody]

My personality, just amazing. Predate Curb youb Enthusiasm Stugats oh wow. I'm not gonna say Larry David patterned himself.

[Jon Stugotz]

You copy? All right, put it on the poll please. Juju did Greg Cody copyright being an asshole long before Larry David.

[Tony]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach.

[Jon Stugotz]

Mina Kimes is a giant Love is Blind fan and I really did enjoy having a conversation with her yesterday about Sam Darnold in which I believe she didn't realize something about herself. I'm texting her, asking, you must hate this Sam Darnold signing. She's like, actually it's financially responsible. It's really just a two year deal that it? I'm like, you're a Seahawk fan. You've got Sam Darnold. She was doing the GM breakdown and not the fan breakdown. There is not a Seahawk fan happy today that Sam Darnold is their quarterback. That team's not better than it was last year because Sam Darnold is their quarterback.

[Unknown Guest]

They lost Gino and they lost dk. So yeah, the team's not better And Lockett.

[Jon Stugotz]

No, but Sam Darnold was a Mirac. Those skilled people in Minnesota are crazy good name Seattle skill people now like.

[Dan LeBatard]

Jsn JSN you can't.

[Jon Stugotz]

You can't. You can't lose. I know that they're going to try and do stuff in the draft, but does anyone believe that Sam Darnold is going to make Seattle? Does anyone believe that Sam Darnold will be as good in Seattle as he was in Minnesota? Just start there.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, that's a healthy skepticism, I think because we've seen those quarterbacks have a good bounce back year and then hit the market and, and sign a regrettable deal. It's a weird time to hit reset for Seattle because they were kind of like they were a scrappy team that was in the playoff mix. But I guess they evaluated their team like, that's probably our ceiling. So tear it all down.

[Jon Stugotz]

Are you guys positive that Sam Darnold is better than Geno Smith not to bring up his name again?

[Dan LeBatard]

No. No, I don't. I don't. I don't think so. Just because I've seen Geno Smith do it for a longer period of time. Now. He is no doubt younger than Geno Smith and I think it is a fair take to say like no matter how bullish or bearish you are on Geno, we've probably seen his best. He's a longer in the tooth quarterback. He's a stopgap solution for. He's been a stopgap solution for Seattle because no one ever thought even while he was having these years they had the type of team that he could take them to that next level. So he's just like a year long loan for. For Las Vegas. And I don't think anyone thinks anything of this Sam Darnold deal other than like he's probably going to be on another three teams before his career is out.

[Chris Cody]

I think because of the age difference alone, I would rather have Sam Darnold than Geno Smith. Geno Smith had had a really good year three years ago, the amin season, a season less good two years.

[Dan LeBatard]

He followed it up with another good year. He's been. He's been solid. I don't want to.

[Jon Stugotz]

Okay. The thing that I did want to bring back from yesterday though, that I wanted to ask you guys because all of you made DK Metcalf a number one receiver, which I get, but 66 catches the last couple of years. That's four catches a game. That's four a game. And that's not a number one receiver, four catches a game is not a.

[Dan LeBatard]

Number one with you. I stayed out of it because just to show before I was arguing that Tyler Lockett, kind of sneaky has been just as many years. Like their numbers are really damn close. You could make an argument that over the course of five years, Tyler Lockett, while he didn't fit the profile conventionally, was their actual number one target.

[Unknown Guest]

Are we starting to really actually have that conversation? Like I told you last week, I didn't. We were ready to have that conversation. Dk not a number one like now. Now in Pittsburgh is George Pickens the number one.

[Jon Stugotz]

The reason I bring it up is because of Aaron Rodgers all of a sudden and tell me how true these reports are because I don't know what to believe and I've been. I don't know why this sneaks up on me every year, but the free agent movement of the last couple of days and I will go to Tony in a second because I am told that he has been crafting all week in a top five top free agent moves. But since you, Greg, are a football authority and since we've got Dookie back there, an internationally known insider, Aaron Rodgers to the Steelers is was in a report, but I don't know how credible the reports are. And there are a lot of people doing a bunch of maneuvering right now trying to get what are the couple of jobs that are available. Have you seen some of the reporting on the Giants that Shane has ruined everything because of what happened on Hard Knocks. And now not only do no NFL teams want to do Hard Knocks because of how the Giants front office looked while getting rid of Saquon Barkley, but now, evidently nobody wants to go play for the Giants Aaron Rodgers, Mina told us that was mutual desperation. But Pittsburgh seems to be in play. Is that real? Is Pittsburgh with Pickens and DK Metcalf something that makes sense to you for Aaron Rodgers?

[Chris Cody]

Aaron Rodgers is desperate right now. Right now he doesn't have a lot of options. A month ago, two weeks ago, I think everybody assumed he was going to sign with the Raiders and they went elsewhere. You know, I think Aaron Rodgers right now is going to take the first starting quarterback job he's offered because the opportunities are dwindling. There aren't that many teams left that are actively shopping and looking for a quarterback. And the idea that Aaron Rodgers might not get get an offer that he feels is good enough is growing by the day.

[Jon Stugotz]

What's real though with the Steelers and the reporting around the Steelers because you have A lot of local reporters doing stuff that the national reporters aren't doing. And so I don't know what's accurate when it comes to Pittsburgh and what is agent spiel because it behooves Aaron Rodgers and his people to make everyone think that both the Giants and the Steelers are interested in Aaron Rodgers.

[Tony]

But does Mike Tomlin want to put up with the Aaron Rodgers Rogers circus? Because, like, that does not seem like a fit to me at all. Like, if you could get Russell Wilson to come back at an okay price, like, I think that might be a better option for the Steelers than Aaron Rodgers, who's still. He had a good second half, but he's still unknown and he brings so much baggage that, like, why would you want to bring that in? If you're Mike Tomlin, we'll say we.

[Dan LeBatard]

Didn'T know that Antonio Brown was crazy until he left Pittsburgh.

[Tony]

Yeah, but Mike Tomlin kept that like, under wraps. Yeah, but like, we know Aaron Rodgers is crazy.

[Dan LeBatard]

True enough.

[Tony]

I mean, I shouldn't say that, but like, we know Aaron Rodgers has a lot of outside interest comes a lot of attention he will be bringing to the Steelers. That doesn't seem like something Mike Tomlin would want to invite into the locker room.

[Unknown Guest]

It just feels like Aaron Rodgers wants to be the quarterback but also coach the team pseudo wise. So it's like, are you going to fall underneath and be humble enough to let a coach coach or do you want to do everything?

[Dan LeBatard]

And this is an upgrade in talent. Right. I think a lot of people are positioning this, that, that way. But I mean, Breece hall and Garrett. No, no, no. I'm saying for Aaron Rodgers to go to Pittsburgh. Najee Harris. I guess the addition of DK Metcalf makes this more of a consideration. But I like Wilson as a wide receiver better than I like DK or than I like Pickens. I like Breeze hall better as a running back than I like Naji Harris.

[Unknown Guest]

Harris is out too. He's not either.

[Chris Cody]

And to your point about nobody wanting to play for the Giants, they just signed Javon Holland who was. Is a big free agent lost for Miami. So I think the Giants offering money makes them a team that people want to play for.

[Tony]

Yeah. No one wants to play with the Giants until they don't have options and then they go play with the Giants. Like it doesn't matter. Like if, if they get offered the money they're looking for and there's no other teams available. Like, the Giants are just not going to not have a football team because of Hard knocks last season. Like they're going to have a football team full of players that went to play for the Giants.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah. And if the Giants end up being Aaron Rodgers last option, he will play for the Giants. He's not going to sit out the season. At his age, he still has the ego and the need to sign and start somewhere and he's running out of options.

[Dan LeBatard]

Najee Harris is a charger.

[Unknown Guest]

Old face, new place.

[Greg Cody]

Dude.

[Dan LeBatard]

There was something refreshing about yesterday with the X outage that even like front offices were complaining about it because they weren't working with all the information because you would get an alert, you wouldn't see the whole thing. You try to click the tweet, it wouldn't expand because X had all these issues. It was a throwback. They were breaking news on television for folks yesterday.

[Jon Stugotz]

Can we explore for a second though what Billy is saying? I know we are all in agreement that whatever Aaron Rodgers brings in terms of noisiness is going to be probably unlike any quarterback except maybe Deshaun Watson. There's no. I don't even know or Colin Kaepernick in terms of noisiness. But the thing I wanted to ask you guys, what are the practical and actual detriments to that when you say does Mike Tomlin want to put up with that? He got rid of Antonio Brown cuz Antonio Brown was allowing people into their locker room, was addicted to social media and did some things at the end that revealed to us that Antonio Brown was less stable than we thought. But in real terms, not noisiness. What is the effect of bringing headlines with a quarterback when you're starved for a quarterback?

[Tony]

Well, it depends on your team. Right. And where you are as an organization. If you're a desperate organization, organization like the Giants, then you're willing to bring it in. If you're Mike Tomlin who has not had a losing season ever, who has kind of this, you know, mold that he likes for his team. Why would you risk that for bringing in a 42 year old quarterback for one season and throw everything off just out of desperation because maybe Aaron Rodgers can take us to the second round of the playoffs.

[Jon Stugotz]

I would make the argument that Aaron Rodgers bringing to that organization, no turnovers has more value than whatever fear you have of headlines that don't matter much, that are noisy and unpleasant and the Steelers have only had three coaches ever. But Mike Tomlin is also in a desperate place because he's where Jimmy Johnson and Wonstadt were at the end with the Dolphins, where people were done with hey, we're going to get there, get to the playoffs, but we're going to be the enemy of great is good, and we're never going to be good enough to do anything. I think the desperation would be enough for Mike Tomlinson that he might be willing to do to welcome a chastened Aaron Rodgers, I don't know if.

[Tony]

But also a coach killer Aaron Rodgers. Right. So if you give in to the desperation, it better work or this might be the end for you. Mike Tomlin signing him and having it blow up in your face could be the end of Mike Tomlinson.

[Jon Stugotz]

I think that's the case either way, though. I think Mike Tomlin is in legitimate trouble there. Where people are tired in Pittsburgh of what they're calling mediocrity that isn't actually mediocrity because they've been spoiled by him having whatever it is. Fifteen straight winning seasons.

[Greg Cody]

Talk about a guy that would get a job right away if he got fired.

[Chris Cody]

Right? Right. He would. But it's been a long time since the Steelers last Super Bowl. You know what else has been a long time since Aaron Rodgers last Super bowl. Career underachiever. One Super bowl at age 42 is he's great. Don't get me wrong. First ballot hall of Famer. But when you win one super bowl with that talent and that longevity, that's a career underachievement.

[Dan LeBatard]

I have a question, though. Dan did the thing that I don't. I don't think it's accurate. He's like, you invite Aaron Rodgers into your team. No turnovers. What a ridiculous blanket statement. He had 11 picks last year. He was bad. He's five years older than Russell Wilson. He's also a worse quarterback than Russell Wilson was if you look at qbr. So what are we doing here? This is like if it's. If we're comparing and we're looking at age and we're projecting for the future and we're looking at what they most recently did. Russell Wilson was back two games against the Miami Dolphins. Got y'all crazy.

[Tony]

The Steelers also resigned Mike Tomlin to a three year extension last offseason. So, like they're, they're not just gonna pay him to go away after this. They had enough faith in him last offseason and last year they, they were right there on the, on the cusp of making the playoffs.

[Jon Stugotz]

That doesn't get you very much these days. The cusp of making the playoffs just got Seattle changing everything and has the Dolphins drowning.

[Tony]

Okay, but what does Aaron Rodgers get? You These days.

[Jon Stugotz]

That's fair. Well, first of all, it gets you. Star hope is what it gets you. And it's different than the previous star hope that you tried with Russell Wilson, which is something teams do all the time. It's what Seattle just did.

[Tony]

Seattle, also, the Steelers made the playoffs last year. I made. I misspoke.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm just a little confused. Like, what are we doing? Here's an older star, much older star.

[Tony]

He's a good fit for the Giants. Like, in what. Like how it's being painted. Like star hope. Like, great New York Giants just cross.

[Unknown Guest]

But he just did New York. He can't go across town and be.

[Tony]

Like, just stay there.

[Unknown Guest]

That's true.

[Tony]

Stay put.

[Jon Stugotz]

I am doing something with Aaron Rodgers second half of the season that I was not doing the first, where he was moving a lot worse the first half of the season, just physically. To me, it. It's an odd thing to say given the kind of greatness that we're talking about, but when you physically lose what he lost in being able to just move around the pocket, it makes him an entirely different quarterback. It's the thing that's happened to Russell Wilson, who's like eight years younger than him, but has taken more, even more of a physical beating where you. You're just used to him sliding around the pocket and being someone who moves away from the rush. And it's not something he can physically do anymore when he's 10 years older than the people chasing him.

[Dan LeBatard]

I didn't get tricked one bit by that second half of Aaron Rodgers. He was playing pickup ball in the back. Those weren't meaningful games. Those were jokes. He was playing a lot of bad teams. Red Zone would never go to those games. He was just spamming balls to his best friend over there, loving life like it was his last hurrah. What do we. Russell Wilson was playing meaningful football.

[Tony]

He wasn't very good in them at the end, but he was better than Aaron.

[Unknown Guest]

But, Mike, here's the thing. They had Justin Fields and they had Russell Wilson, and then Justin Fields was playing well until Mike Tomlin said, you know what? Russell Wilson gives us a better chance to win. Maybe they've looked inside and said, hey, you know what? I think Aaron Rodgers, even though he's been playing bad and New York gives us a better chance to win than what we've already seen with Russell Wilson.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm not saying it's not a difficult decision to make. Like, you. You weigh the pros and cons, but the more that you look at it Practically counting numbers, age. I'm not even talking about off field headaches. Like it doesn't make sense. Like he has fallen off completely since trying to force a ball to devonte Adams and missing a wide open receiver underneath in the playoffs against the San Francisco 49ers. He's fallen off a cliff and on top of that, he tore his ace his Achilles. It's like this doesn't make any sense.

[Tony]

You also, if you, if you want to cite Greg Cody's quarterback rankings from yesterday that led into that whole debate over Geno Smith. Russell Wilson was ranked 23rd in those rankings, Aaron Rodgers 22nd. So how much better are you getting?

[Chris Cody]

Okay, but would Aaron Rodgers be an upgrade over Daniel Jones, for example? Yeah. Yes, he would for one year. Aaron Rodgers is a good stopgap one year quarterback for somebody, but he hasn't been. Well, he hadn't been for the Jets. He, he was on a bad jets team and he couldn't elevate it. But it, it's a fact that no matter the competition, it's a fact that his second half of last season was good.

[Jon Stugotz]

That wasn't considered a bad jets team until he made it a bad jets team. That was not considered a bad jets team.

[Chris Cody]

Well, the, the defense was considered okay.

[Jon Stugotz]

That that jets team had hope when he was the quarterback.

[Greg Cody]

They were favorites to win the division at the start of the season.

[Jon Stugotz]

You've said that a few times. And I, I, you keep. And I don't think that's true. I think the Bills were always, oh.

[Greg Cody]

You guys know, I'm telling you, people.

[Tony]

Wrote the Bills off.

[Greg Cody]

At the start of last season. The Dolphins were ahead of the Bills.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's another thing that you invite with Aaron Rodgers is like, hey, what makes you most comfortable? Al Lazard does. Nathaniel Hackett does. The guy has, he's his own worst enemy because he carried so many mediocre people to success that they would never see otherwise. McCarthy, all these OCS that got jobs, fat number 80. He just elevated everybody to the point that his mind got shaped, that this is who I am. Just give me these mediocre people constantly. Hopefully Tomlin's different if they do bring him in. I actually do think Tomlin would be different and I can see how it could work. Do I trust Aaron Rodgers more to not lose me a Mike Tomlin game plan than I trust Russell Wilson? Like, that's the conversation I guess folks should be having.

[Tony]

You know who I would go after if I was the Steelers? Jameis Winston.

[Chris Cody]

Wow.

[Tony]

Jamis Winston can talk about Mike Tumman's.

[Unknown Guest]

Head blowing off.

[Dan LeBatard]

One of the worst fits for that.

[Tony]

No way.

[Dan LeBatard]

Because of the turnovers. It undoes like they have. They have to win in the margins. They cannot be turning the ball over. And Jamus will.

[Tony]

Did you see the work he did for Fox for the Super Bowl? That's a new man. That guy is. But in up. And he's coming to work next season for whatever team signs him. That's a man that means business next year. If. If I'm a team out there looking for a quarterback, I look no further than Jameis Winston.

[Jon Stugotz]

Okay, that is excellent anarchy from you. I will point out again to the audience that the big change the Tampa Bay Bucks made from going 7 and 9 to winning the super bowl was just eliminating Jameis Winston for the greatest quarterback ever.

[Tony]

Like, come on, what are you doing? Everything else was the same, by the way. Was breaking protocol and. And having secret work while no other team was working.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, he's fine. Who cares?

[Jon Stugotz]

Jameis Winston. I'm pretty. Did he show? Did he throw 30 interceptions?

[Unknown Guest]

30, 35.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah.

[Tony]

He's the only one like, who's going to do that. Okay, history.

[Jon Stugotz]

But just. I want everyone here. Okay.

[Tony]

I hate to break it to you. Aaron Rodgers, a lot closer to Jameis Winston than he is to the version of Aaron Rodgers. You think that you're going to get.

[Jon Stugotz]

Okay. You're wrong on that. I'm not okay. Again. I'm going to just keep saying that. I know that your analysis dookie is when I say 30 interceptions. I know that that's.

[Tony]

Yes. Four years ago.

[Jon Stugotz]

I know. Yes.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's a. I know.

[Jon Stugotz]

But 30 interceptions is as opposed to.

[Tony]

The zero made up interceptions that Aaron Rodgers had last year.

[Jon Stugotz]

Okay, I assure you. I assure you Aaron Rodgers will not throw 30 interceptions in any season remaining.

[Tony]

He may never play.

[Jon Stugotz]

Even if he's running around out there at 80 years old with a dialysis machine trailing him. He will not throw 30 interceptions in a season. Go ahead and find me the two quarterback. Did any two quarterbacks in the sport last season, Did Kirk Cousins and Baker Mayfield throw 30 interceptions together combined? I don't think so.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's not how they're cousins at the end of the year is as bad as I've ever seen.

[Jon Stugotz]

That's not. That's not how.

[Tony]

Fine. You're writing him off for something he did four years ago. You did that with Josh Allen too. And where is he now?

[Jon Stugotz]

Okay, Billy did it four years ago. They replaced him and immediately won the Super bowl. Replaced just his 30 interceptions. Just got Tom Brady to stop throwing 30 interceptions.

[Dan LeBatard]

Dan we are such Aaron Rodgers jilted lovers. He was our favorite of all time and he hurt us repeatedly and we just want to believe he was the best version of himself. But I think we got to accept who he is now.

[Jon Stugotz]

I accept that Jameis Winston is who he is. He is not buttoned up after his work at Fox this offseason.

[Tony]

Give him a chance, Steelers. You'll see. I won't be proven right because no one's going to give him a chance. But that's not because what I'm saying is wrong. It's because no one is willing to take the chance on him.

[Jon Stugotz]

You will not be proven right because there has never been, there has never been a worse fit in the history of the sport for a conservative run the ball team. The Steelers, Jameis Winston, Baker and cousins.

[Unknown Guest]

Combined for 32 picks this season. But Baker at 41 touchdowns.

[Tony]

By the way, if you tell me one quarterback does what two does, take them anytime.

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