The Big Suey: The Nail Ripper (feat. David Samson)

Summary

Summary of "The Big Suey: The Nail Ripper" Episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Podcast Information:

• Title: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
• Hosts: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz
• Episode: The Big Suey: The Nail Ripper (feat. David Samson)
• Release Date: June 24, 2025

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1. Climate Change and Its Impact on Sports (00:44 - 03:20)

The episode kicks off with a discussion on the escalating heat dome affecting the United States, pushing temperatures into the triple digits across the Midwest ([01:44]). Dan Le Batard paints a dire picture, stating, “There are heat warnings all throughout the Midwest through Thursday. It's gonna be hundred degrees plus. Die. We're all gonna die” ([01:44]). The conversation broadens to encompass broader climate change implications, touching upon melting glaciers in Iceland and the projected rise in sea levels that threaten Florida's coastal towns within the next century ([02:18] - [03:20]).

Dan Le Batard: "It is sort of happening now with fires and tornadoes and all sorts of flooding and all sorts of strikes."

This segment underscores the show's commitment to addressing serious societal issues intertwined with the world of sports.

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2. MLB: Oakland A's Potential Move to Las Vegas (03:31 - 05:08)

The hosts shift focus to Major League Baseball, debating the possibility of the Oakland A's relocating to Las Vegas. David Samson expresses skepticism about the move, mentioning the unprecedented nature of stadium construction in Vegas:

David Samson: "Groundbreaking is simply performative. I don't think you've seen a stadium being built in Vegas because there's tractors, but there's been no actual building. But it's coming."

However, Greg Cody counters that the groundwork is already in motion, indicating that plans may be more advanced than Samson anticipates ([03:56] - [05:08]).

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3. NBA: Kevin Durant, Houston Rockets, and Miami Heat Strategy (10:49 - 19:43)

A significant portion of the episode delves into NBA trade strategies, particularly focusing on Kevin Durant's potential move to the Houston Rockets and the Miami Heat's response. Pablo Torre critiques Pat Riley's management, suggesting that Riley's reluctance to offer fair market value for Durant is the primary frustration for Heat fans:

Pablo Torre: "The Heat could have had him if Riley was not unwilling to give more than he was. That's the frustration."

David Samson offers a contrasting viewpoint, defending Riley's strategy and labeling the acquisition of Durant by the Rockets as a smart move:

David Samson: "Pat Riley should be getting thank yous from his fan base, not any criticism. Kevin Durant is..."

The debate intensifies as the hosts analyze the financial and strategic implications of Durant's potential trade, weighing the benefits against the risks and long-term team dynamics.

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4. MLB: David Samson on Alleged Collusion (25:33 - 30:28)

David Samson introduces a contentious topic regarding alleged collusion in Major League Baseball. He addresses accusations that teams may be engaging in unfair practices, emphasizing the complexity of such claims:

David Samson: "But, I digress. So in that meeting where Rob goes around and talks to all the different teams... But I digress."

He clarifies that while discussions and negotiations occur behind the scenes, there's no concrete evidence of illegal collusion. The segment highlights the delicate balance between competitive strategy and ethical practices within professional sports.

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5. Movie Review: "Surviving Ohio State" (31:06 - 37:50)

The hosts transition to a serious discussion about the documentary "Surviving Ohio State," which exposes a heinous scandal involving a team doctor at Ohio State University who abused athletes. David Samson provides a harrowing account of the events depicted in the film:

David Samson: "The story is about money. It's a story about the fact that males can be molested and can be the victims of sexual assault as much as females."

Dan Le Batard emphasizes the impact of the documentary in shedding light on systemic failures and the culture of silence surrounding such abuse:

Dan Le Batard: "These things should... people can learn about them."

The segment serves as a poignant reminder of the importance of accountability and the long-term effects of abuse within athletic institutions.

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6. Funerals Game: Lighthearted Banter (35:50 - 41:29)

In an attempt to lighten the mood following the intense discussions, the hosts engage in a humorous "Funerals Game," where they jest about attending various fictional funerals. The playful interaction includes ribbing about appearances and hypothetical scenarios:

Dan Le Batard: "So, just give us your hottest take here... Greg Cody: I love how he looks at the screen where he is."

This segment showcases the hosts' camaraderie and ability to balance serious topics with levity, maintaining an engaging and entertaining atmosphere.

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7. Additional Discussions and Banter (Throughout the Episode)

Throughout the episode, various light-hearted interactions and banter occur among the hosts and guests. Topics range from foot grooming quirks to playful teasing about appearances, such as:

Stugotz: "Ripping your toenails?"

Dan Le Batard: "It's a very thick seashell, and it's the consistency of bone."

These moments provide a dynamic contrast to the heavier topics, illustrating the show's signature blend of humor and insightful commentary.

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8. Conclusion

The Big Suey: The Nail Ripper episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz masterfully intertwines serious discussions on climate change, sports management strategies, ethical scandals, and lighthearted segments. Featuring insightful debates, poignant reflections, and engaging humor, the episode offers a comprehensive and entertaining narrative for listeners, even those who may not have tuned in.

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Notable Quotes:

• Dan Le Batard ([01:44]): "Die. We're all gonna die. The oceans are all burning and we're all wondering why."

• Pablo Torre ([12:06]): "The Heat didn't lose out on Kevin Durant because they could have had him. They were just unwilling to give a fair market value for him."

• David Samson ([31:42]): "It's horrifying to be a big strong wrestler or a hockey player and you find yourself absolutely at the mercy of someone who takes advantage of you in a way that you don't even know how to respond to."

• Dan Le Batard ([33:48]): "This is what I would recommend to anybody. But it will make you uncomfortable, as these things should, so that people can learn about them."

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This episode encapsulates the show's ability to tackle a broad spectrum of topics, delivering content that is both thought-provoking and entertaining.

Transcript

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[David Sampson]

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[Stugatz]

Welcome to the Big Sui presented by DraftKings.

[Dan LeBatard]

Why are you listening to this show?

[Stugatz]

The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBatard podcast? I'm sorry. I'm not gonna apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging.

[Dan LeBatard]

I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys.

[Stugatz]

I've done it. And now here's the marching man to nowhere Fat face and the habitual liar.

[Greg Cody]

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[Dan LeBatard]

A potent heat dome is building over the United States, sending temperatures into the triple digits. There are heat warnings all throughout the Midwest through Thursday. It's gonna be hundred degrees plus Die. We're all gonna die. We're all gonna die. We're all gonna die. The oceans are all burning and we're all wondering why.

[David Sampson]

Let's turn on the news and find.

[Dan LeBatard]

Out how we're gonna die Any number of ways. David Sampson. Nothing personal is here. We will find out if he will attend an assortment of funerals before the end of this segment. It is a new segment that has caught on throughout the globe. Everyone's playing it. Sampson is exceptional at it. Why are you smiling? Billy?

[Billy]

Just because Adam McKay is going to die in like, his least satisfactory way possible, he's going to like, slip in the bathtub while he's worried about all this other stuff killing him.

[Jeremy]

When I was in Iceland, they told me that there's a glacier that makes up 9% of the country that's now projected to melt within the next 100 years. And when it does, it's going to raise the entire sea level by a centimeter. And what they told us is that all of Florida goes underwater if it raises 4cm. So they said every single coastal town will be wiped up. That's just 100 years from now.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's sort of happening now with fires and fire, tornadoes and all sorts of flooding and all sorts of strikes.

[Jeremy]

Iceland's going to raise up from this.

[Dan LeBatard]

When we say it's going to be like 120 meters, I know, but when you say it's going to be in 100 years, they're going to be gradual apocalypses all over the globe before that.

[Jeremy]

The volcanoes are going to be insane when that happens anyway.

[Billy]

Exhausting being your guys brains. She's.

[Jeremy]

I just got told it wasn't my fault. They just told me.

[Stugatz]

I mean, just stop going for a second.

[Billy]

That's coming.

[Dan LeBatard]

I mean like David Sampson, Nothing Personal is the name of the podcast and I think, David, have you gotten it like exactly totally wrong on the A's and Las Vegas? Because I did see a stadium being built and I did see public financing and you were, you were very out in front on being loud about the A's will never play in Las Vegas.

[David Sampson]

Yeah, I may get that one wrong, but not yet. Not yet. The groundbreaking was done indoors in a temporary sort of building on the site because it was a thousand degrees. When we did Marlin's groundbreaking, we did it outside like men. And it was so hot, it was insane. If anyone can remember that. But groundbreaking is simply performative. I don't think you've seen a stadium being built in Vegas because there's, there's tractors, but there's been no actual building. But it's coming. And if I'm wrong, I'll admit it. But not today. I don't need to admit it. Today only men know how to go outside.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's strange. Go outside like men.

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[Dan LeBatard]

Can you guys get me some information on what Pablo Torre is reporting please. There is some buzz around what he is reporting today about the NFL.

[Stugatz]

What did Belichick do now?

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't know. Go ahead.

[David Sampson]

And this is a good one.

[Dan LeBatard]

Go ahead, David. I don't know. You have information on this? I'm just getting it now. But I don't know.

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The Russell Wilson thing, the collusion.

[David Sampson]

I want to say that how we are operating on all cylinders at Metal Arc without going to inside Baseball. Matt Koch and I do a live show every day from 7 till 8:43 and the email came in about the show at 7:15 and the purpose is we're supposed to get some advance notice so we could work in a topic or two talking about it to help PTFO and talk about an npd. And you're saying that you're getting it just now in the middle of your show. So how can you comment? I haven't read one thing, haven't watched one thing. It never came up. Never heard of it. But I guess he found out that there's a smoking gun of collusion because Lamar Jackson's microphone didn't work. Or that Lamar Jackson is dating Jordan Hudson. I can't remember which is which. But something got found out.

[Billy]

I will say this to back up David, not to get too inside baseball but sometimes like we get teases that they're going to break a big story but get no idea what it is so we can't promote it as though they're state secrets that we're going to scoop them on so no one can go listen to their episode where if we knew we could help promote it better.

[Dan LeBatard]

We're not great at promotion around here. So I will tell you for the first time that tomorrow night we are going to watch some of us, I don't know which ones you're all invited with Tim Kirkjin from 6 to 10pm we're going to just be watching baseball games with Tim Kirk and an assortment of his friends. What are you laughing about, Samson?

[David Sampson]

I would love the opportunity so to share what it is to watch baseball with Tim Kirchen. It's like watching with an encyclopedia. And it's just anytime you can watch a game with a scout or a real member of the media or a former player or manager, you'll realize that the game of baseball, it's like a symphony or a ballet. There's so much going on during the course of a game that your audience may say my God, that sounds like chalk nails, a board or something. I can't remember the expression. But no, it's going to be awesome. Tomorrow night with Tim Kirchen.

[Dan LeBatard]

Will the old timey baseball player be there? Because David Sampson, looking at Greg Cody right now, would you say that you have ever seen anyone who looks more. More like. I don't know, I'm going to say Casey Stengel, but maybe Connie Mack than Greg Cody right now.

[David Sampson]

He looks to me like he just came off the set of Field of Dreams.

[Stugatz]

Thank you.

[David Sampson]

That's like Archibald Moonlight Graham.

[Stugatz]

Right.

[Pablo Torre]

Just walked out of a cornfield.

[Stugatz]

Yep.

[Dan LeBatard]

Barefooted with those talons. With those talents. I've been told we're going to get you a pedicure here that we're going to get you next week. Stugots, can you tell me you have twice cut the toenails off his talon feet?

[Stugatz]

It was an honor.

[Dan LeBatard]

One of the toenails was seen by pilgrimage by thousands of our fans in a glass case. What would you say is the texture of the talon nail when you cut it with the. With the pliers you were trying to use on his. On his talon?

[Stugatz]

Like a rock.

[Pablo Torre]

It's like a thick seashell.

[Stugatz]

It is. It's hard to get. It's hard to get the clippers around the nail to actually cut it.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's a very.

[Stugatz]

Got to dig in.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's a very thick seashell, and it's the consistency of bone. Sure. It's. It would be very hard to break. Like, Stugots did something.

[Stugatz]

I broke it.

[Dan LeBatard]

Stugots did something herculean by taking a, you know, I'm gonna say a hatchet and a mallet and getting one of his toenails off, because it is the feet of a demon. No one disputes it. The pedicurist, whoever that person is, will run from any room screaming when she sees him unveil his leathery feet. His skin is the texture of a catcher's mitt of that era.

[David Sampson]

You know, there's a scene from Dumb and Dumber when Harry and Lloyd get a pedicure, and it is from nails that have not been exactly tended to in their previous lives as just a, you know, cleaning animal. Animals in a moving car. And that pedicure scene is a hilarious scene in a hilarious movie. And I'm picturing the machinery that will be required to get a pedicure because I have suffered a little bit from that as a runner. My nails are not awesome. And I tend. I rip my nails in order to keep them short. I don't clip them because I feel like I have more control by ripping them. And so I'm A nail ripper. Only on my feet, not my fingers.

[Stugatz]

You are a man.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's not. I don't know what that is. I don't know what he's describing there. What are you doing? What do you mean?

[Stugatz]

Ripping your toenails?

[Dan LeBatard]

What do you. Wait a minute. Stu got your actions with surprise after saying it was manly to rip your toenails off.

[Stugatz]

Well, I was making it.

[Dan LeBatard]

Put it on the poll plays at Lebiton show. Is it man to rip off your toenails at Le Batard show. What your grooming of your feet. This is. I would think that you are a very meticulous tool user. Delicate and careful around your feet.

[David Sampson]

I'm a meticulous, careful toenail ripper. And so I get. You get an edge. It's all about getting an edge when you're ripping off. And it's different with your pinky nail versus your big toenail. It requires different angles in order to start the rip. And you have to start it exactly right. Because while running, if your toenails are too short, it can actually sting. And if they're too long, it can cause blisters. So you have to be a perfect ripper. And it took years of practice. You're not born knowing how to rip toenails and different angles, but you can learn it.

[Dan LeBatard]

Ladies and gentlemen, I need to tell all the people again, nothing personal. It is broadcasting excellence every day. Two hours now. Double the David. This kind of broadcasting eloquence, like chalk.

[David Sampson]

Nails, a board or something that's nails.

[Greg Cody]

On a chalkboard there.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's talking too much. And some of those words come out in the right order. And some of them do not.

[David Sampson]

Like chalk, nails, board or something.

[Dan LeBatard]

Do you have any opinions on Kevin Durant in the Miami Heat? I do. Greg Cody was not allowed to say anything in the last segment. And Greg, get near the microphone. Now. I know you're very comfortable as the old timey baseball player, but I went to you a couple of times trying to ask you something about respecting Pat Riley and never heard a syllable from you. So the floor is yours.

[Pablo Torre]

It was. It was tough to get a word in edgewise. I'm thinking of taking out ad space on your show just so I can say something. Any thought that Pat Riley is too old for the job is ridiculous. Any criticism of Pat Riley needn't even mention the fact that he's 80 years old. I think his mental acuity is beyond question. I don't think age is a factor at all. What I think. What I think heat fans should be frustrated about is that Kevin Durant was gettable at a price far less than I think anybody imagined. Houston did not pay a lot to get him. The Heat could have had him if Riley was not unwilling to give more than he was. That's the frustration. The Heat didn't lose out on Kevin Durant because they could have had him. They were just unwilling to give a fair market value for him. That's what's frustrating to me.

[Stugatz]

So that's a bad job by Riley, though.

[Pablo Torre]

Wait, so it sounds like it's got nothing to do with age.

[Greg Cody]

So you're criticizing him, but.

[Pablo Torre]

Yes, I am. But. But it has nothing to do with age.

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[Pablo Torre]

Well, but. But this is him going in that direction, though, by. By valuing Khalil Ware more than he does Kevin Durant. I disagree with that, but that's what Riley is doing right now.

[Stugatz]

Yeah, but Riley disagrees with that. He's never operated this way.

[Pablo Torre]

No, he hasn't.

[Stugatz]

Right.

[Pablo Torre]

Which is a surprise. He's never cared about draft picks. He always wants the big name veteran. And this was a total reversal.

[Dan LeBatard]

Sampson, can you hold on for just a second? Greg, Cody, I would like for you to look into that camera right there, please, if you do not mind. Or actually here, look into this camera right here. I want to get as much of your face as we can. Which camera do you think he should be looking at as?

[Stugatz]

I think this one. Right, that's the good one. Thank you.

[Dan LeBatard]

So just give us your hottest take here as your glasses fog up and as you're an old timey baseball player.

[Greg Cody]

I love how he looks at the screen where he is. No, no, don't look at yourself.

[Dan LeBatard]

Just straight ahead. You talk to the audience right there.

[Greg Cody]

And you give them your still looking at yourself look.

[Dan LeBatard]

As the guardian of the Miami Herald and local journalism, as a man who might defend and protect and gatekeeping of Pat Riley and the end of his career in Miami. Give us your best take on fair criticism of Pat Riley and unfair criticism of Pat Riley.

[Pablo Torre]

I thought that's what I just spent the last two minutes doing. Are you asking me to repeat myself?

[Stugatz]

Yes.

[Pablo Torre]

Okay.

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Yeah, he does that.

[Pablo Torre]

I mean, into a camera. I just did that. I just said it's not about Pat Riley's age. Okay, but Dan, forget.

[Dan LeBatard]

I mean, Geez.

[Pablo Torre]

In this case, he did not want to give enough to get Kevin Durant, which is a disappointment and a surprise. Now to to dance point what he said yesterday, if he goes out and somehow gets Giannis now, everything is great and he looks like a genius but nobody thinks he's going to do that.

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Like the old man from up.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's all I wanted. I just wanted his glasses to fog up more and more and I didn't care what the words were that came out. I just wanted the hot air from his breath to walk up his glasses as the take kept getting hotter. But David, your thoughts on not getting Durant do you have on nothing personal, did you have some sort of viewpoint that's different than other people who are at this trough?

[David Sampson]

Yeah, I just would tell you that Pat Riley should be getting thank yous from his fan base, not any criticism. Kevin Durant is. You want to talk of him like overrated. Greg, you missed the opportunity at $50 million in an expiring contract, Durant is not getting you closer to a title. What he's doing is taking away any sort of flexibility you may have and giving false hopes to the players that he's with thinking that he can be better and he can't. So the reality is that any amount of deal that Houston gave I viewed it as an overpay. You think that they didn't have to give up anything. Five second round picks. It's not nothing there were. It's not a single live bodies given for one. An overpaid guy who has proven that he can go to a team and bring him right into the crapper. So Pat Riley at as an octogenarian is actually firing on all cylinders. Although 80 year olds can't fire in all cylinders. But most cylinders not being seduced by the name.

[Dan LeBatard]

Put it on the poll please. Juju. Can 80 year olds fire? Can any 80 year olds fire on all cylinders? So he's taking the hottest of the more extreme takes. All I have heard is that the Rockets made a good deal getting exactly what it is that they needed for their team. Not just as a veteran but as a shooter. The last three years of Kevin Durant have no precedent in the sport in terms of efficiencies from jump shooting. You're on the other side of this. I've heard no one, I've heard no one say that's an overspend at one year. They didn't even have to extend him, did they? Did they extend him or did they.

[Cuervo Advertiser]

Just take the has not been reported.

[David Sampson]

Yet it's not even a trader yet, folks. Yeah, just so we're clear, the NBA nor the Rockets, nor the Suns announced any trade. It was just breaking news leaked on game seven.

[Dan LeBatard]

Heard anyone saying what you're presently saying. You're going the other extreme here in a way that's aggressive. I have not heard anyone saying that Kevin Durant is not someone who will be additive to the Houston Rockets and is exactly the kind of thing they need.

[David Sampson]

I'd be far more worried that they're going to get Georged and that would concern me far more if I am not Paul George.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's an unprecedented scorer.

[Jeremy]

It's not even that. It's also they're not giving up Shea, Gilders, Alexander and the bevy of picks that were traded for Paul George. Not that Jalen Green is a bad player, but you're moving Dylan Brooks, who's been a journeyman and a defensive oriented player, one first round pick. Those second round picks are almost more valuable to help you facilitate other trades down the line for role players that maybe they won't be able to do. But the benefit if you're Houston is you've already built your core around Shangun, around Thompson. These young players who are ascending. You're viewing Durant as just an upgrade from Jalen Green, which he is as the scorer that you need down the stretch in games, which was proven during the playoffs. It was the right move for them.

[Stugatz]

It makes sense.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Cuervo Advertiser]

And they're not done. They have so much more to trade and continue to improve on their roster. And if Miami or just let it grow, who's to say if Miami comes up to the table and says, all right, we'll include Jovic or we'll do the wear deal. Houston still has plenty of assets to be like, okay, we'll, we'll go one up.

[David Sampson]

Yeah, I think you got to wait to see what happens here with all of these trades because you say there's no SGA in this trade. I don't think you exactly know who's in this trade because you have to look the way and you can look with Paul George, with the finals this year, with Indiana and with Oklahoma City. There's so many different iterations of trades that happen and it's not one trade. It's multiple trades over multiple years that bring your team to a place where they weren't before. And we have to see whether HP is going to be smart enough to allow any sort of smart basketball person to do something there. But they're better off with more bodies, different bodies than with Durant because you saw what they did with Durant. They weren't even in the tournament. So what exactly you say it's unprecedented, Dan. Yeah, you wrote checks to the guy and you didn't play in May.

[Dan LeBatard]

But offensively he was an extraordinary and exceptional player. Still, Windhorse said on first take yesterday basically that Durant kept rejecting places to play like Minnesota to lower the price so that Houston could have assets to land another player down the line. Their report that he'll take less than the max in the next deal, they got him cheap on a discount. And if I understand the Heat frustration, if pick swaps and Jovic, if that's actually accurate and that's all it would have taken, that they that the Suns weren't enamored with the 5 second round pick.

[Cuervo Advertiser]

I think the overriding frustration here from Heat fans is yet again a player wants to come here, which is hard to do, get a superstar to say I want to go to Miami. They haven't always been able to have that player play ball. Recently they have, especially this player multiple times, and they just haven't found a way to get it done. When the executive atop the franchise is the guy historically that gets it done more than anybody else.

[David Sampson]

People just don't think you ever want to overpay, Mike. That's the whole key. And this is coming from a person who made a living overpaying and making bad trades. You really don't want to do it because you can get gun shy and you get burned enough times, you stop doing it. And I think what you're seeing of Pat Riley is that his MO has changed when he's realized that those kind of trades can go bad.

[Cuervo Advertiser]

That right there, you can seize on that and say, that's not my Pat Riley. That's not scared. Money don't make money. Pat Riley's never been afraid to make a move. Now he's afraid to overpay. What are we doing that overpay for Kevin Durant, a Hall of Famer, while you overpay for Terry? Rosie we're scared. We're suffering PTSD from Terry Rozier and that's standing in the way. That's been the excuse for the last three years. And you know where it's gotten Pat Riley, 10C.

[David Sampson]

Kevin Durant's not a Hall of Fame player today.

[Stugatz]

Kevin Durant was intense hall of fame.

[Cuervo Advertiser]

Player 15 years ago.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, wait a minute. No, he.

[Stugatz]

David, he's finally people coming around.

[Dan LeBatard]

David offensively still a top 25 player.

[Stugatz]

Took you so long.

[David Sampson]

It's that you don't get in the hall of Fame by being a top 25.

[Billy]

Basketball.

[David Sampson]

He's a Hall of Famer. You're. Don't you misunderstand. He's going in the hall of Fame. Of course, because it's easy. But this year, next year for the Rockets, as a matter of fact, I predicted on nothing personal, the Rockets will not make it out of the second round.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay. All right. We don't need these predictions that we can check in six months from now when. When I see things being built in Vegas and you're still not conceding that the A's are going to be in Vegas. Like, it seems like they're building.

[Stugatz]

He doesn't have to right now.

[David Sampson]

I don't have to, Dan. I will when I have to.

[Stugatz]

All right.

[Dan LeBatard]

It seems like you're wrong here. Like, and you're just.

[Stugatz]

You got to string it out. Dan, he's right.

[Dan LeBatard]

You're being stubborn.

[Billy]

David, in the negotiating room in baseball or outside in business, did you ever physically intimidate others to get your way? Maybe just slap someone across the table? Leave a diamond in someone's forehead? Anything like that? What's the most menacing tactic you use to get your way?

[David Sampson]

I weigh 133 pounds. What do you. How could I be physically menacing to anybody?

[Dan LeBatard]

Can you show us your toenails?

[David Sampson]

So I was thinking about trying to do it. Here's the problem. Now I have the ability to do it right now, except I don't have the flexibility to do it right now because it would require taking my leg, and I'd have to bring the microphone and somehow.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, this is what I would like.

[Stugatz]

I want to see him do it.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, here it is. All right.

[Greg Cody]

I love that tan line.

[Jeremy]

I should have put this behind a cloud.

[Stugatz]

Tan.

[Dan LeBatard]

Good God, look at that tan line.

[Greg Cody]

That's the good stuff right there.

[David Sampson]

Oh, that one even has a hand.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right. Those hips are not doing well.

[Jeremy]

Did you guys notice the tan around the thong sandals? Did you notice that?

[Stugatz]

Yep.

[Dan LeBatard]

We all commented on that.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

Good.

[Jeremy]

Just wanted to make sure it was.

[Stugatz]

A little late to the party because.

[Jeremy]

I didn't really hear it, so I. You know, we were all talking over each other. I want to make sure the audience understood.

[Dan LeBatard]

Don't say that out loud.

[Jeremy]

Audio mediums.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay. Yeah. Excellent. Yep. Audio medium. I don't want to play that yet.

[Jeremy]

He just wants to be mad at me.

[Billy]

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[Pablo Torre]

Baker Mayfield tearing up Tampa Bay 38 for 45 stum this is the Dan.

[Billy]

Levatar show with the Stuga.

[Dan LeBatard]

Nothing Personal is the name of the podcast with David Sampson. He is feuding with Andrew McCutcheon over baseballs and owned. McCutcheon really got your ass. It seemed like you admit that you're wrong here. Let's see what happened here. So there Andrew McCutcheon hit you with a rock. With the rock and he says to David my source stinks. What a laughable thing to say when my source is the commissioner of Major League Baseball and I have 27 witnesses to back that up. So stick to your lil channel and do this.

[Stugatz]

He revealed the source. Huh?

[Cuervo Advertiser]

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[Dan LeBatard]

Bad journalism from McCutcheon just revealing his source. But his source Barry Sampson.

[David Sampson]

So that's actually not at all what happened. So in first of all, I like Kutch and it's all good and lil Channel. I didn't know what that meant. I was thinking Lil Abner. But but I don't mind that he did this to me.

[Dan LeBatard]

Lil Abner? Really? So you're somehow going older than Cody today. So you think of Li apostrophe L. You go back to Lil Abner, a 1970s cartoon.

[David Sampson]

That's the first thing I thought of when he wrote Lil Channel. I assumed that's what he meant.

[Dan LeBatard]

Is it?

[David Sampson]

Even if I did respond in a.

[Greg Cody]

Private dm let's get let's give more context here. David, you originally say McCutcheon said there's something up with the baseballs this season and you went on a rant saying that he that he's Ma, he's wrong about that. He's just making that up.

[David Sampson]

No, what I said is his source is bad. I never. I never impugned him personally at all. I merely said his source was wrong. So his response was, my source was the commissioner. Here's the problem. A, unveiling your source, not really what you're supposed to do, but B, he's talking about a meeting before the season started. I promise you, when he says 27 other people people, he's referring to 26 members of a team and the commissioner, wink, wink. There's more than 27 in the room. But I digress. So in that meeting where Rob goes around and talks to all the different teams, trying to build relationships with the players, trying to fracture the union in order to get a better cba. But I digress. We can talk about that later.

[Dan LeBatard]

My God.

[David Sampson]

What was said was that the balls have a standard of deviation when they are handmade. And I know he said, because he said this to me too. And within that standard deviation, balls can be different, but the specs of the ball are the same. They've always been the same, but there's always different balls. Some seams are higher, some are lower, some are just off with the leather. They're handmade. That's all he said. He didn't say the balls have been deadened or the balls have been juiced. He didn't say any of that. So I merely said your source is stinks because you misunderstood your source. But we're good.

[Dan LeBatard]

Whose balls are juiced? Lil abner debuted in 1934.

[Stugatz]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

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[David Sampson]

You know, there's a chance that this episode gets nominated for a Peabody. And, and I think that that is the object of this game when you have this sort of reporting, and it's a great object, and I assume when we watch ptfo, which we haven't had time to do because we were told about it as a company 25 minutes ago, is that we will find that the Biggest thing the owners are engaging in and what all players and unions are trying to find is the possibility of collusion. Was there collusion and not giving guaranteed money passed to Sean Watson for all those years? Is there collusion with free agents or with guarantee clauses? And the answer is it's not collusion. That is actually provable in a court of law. There's no settlement coming, but there certainly are discussions that happen between teams and between executives as you're trying to figure out how to navigate today's waters in terms of guarantee language.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's about enough of David Sampson, I think we can all agree.

[David Sampson]

Thank you.

[Dan LeBatard]

Look at Billy just came to life back there. What are you pointing at, Mike?

[Cuervo Advertiser]

I got a list of people for the funeral.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay. Oh, I do want to do that, but I don't know how to segue from that to what David's reviewing today because he watched a movie that I watched and watched. George Clooney did an amazing job on revealing to everybody what was happening at Ohio State that was predatory in a way that Ohio State needs to be held account for in a way that has a great deal of public shame in around how leadership fails young people.

[Stugatz]

Just so we're clear, the crew, myself. So we're keeping David now. We're doing movies and the funeral game.

[Dan LeBatard]

This is the. Yes, it's crowded here, and I was. I was about to let him go. They want to play the funeral game. But David would like to talk about this movie because it was powerful. And, David, what was the most interesting? It's on Max, and it's surviving Ohio State. And I know Penn State has gotten a lot of the attention here, and Nasser has gotten a lot of the attention here. But this same thing happened over decades at Ohio State in a way that George Clooney is responsible for bringing to life, at least in part as an act of activism here. Correct, David?

[David Sampson]

Yeah. The story is there was a team doctor for all the athletes at Ohio State. And this team doctor took it upon himself to fondle the male athletes and to examine them for hernias while his hand was on their genitals in ways that that's not how you check hernias. And when they would hurt their elbow or shoulder, he'd say, yeah, but we got to check for a hernia. And the real thing that you'll learn, and it's not a spoiler, is the guy, the doctor who did this, he's dead. He killed himself. And to me, he took the easy way out. I wanted to see him suffer in Prison because molesters and pedos don't do well in prison. And he decided that he would not take that chance. And this is a story about money. It's a story about the fact that males can be molested and can be the victims of sexual assault as much as females. And it doesn't get a lot of attention. And it's horrifying to be a big strong wrestler or a hockey player and you find yourself absolutely at the mercy of someone who takes advantage of you in a way that you don't even know how to respond to. There's no outlet. And the damn coach, including Representative Jim Jordan, who's still a representative in our legislative branch, was a part of it as an assistant coach, knew about it, claims he didn't, which is wrong, and maliciously lying and gaslighting. And it is a, it's a movie that will change how you look at victims of sexual assault in a way that is disturbing, upsetting, problematic.

[Dan LeBatard]

I have not read on about George Clooney and Jim Jordan, but the lack of leadership in there basically being a pipeline for abuse that is being funneled into a pedophile's office in the way stugac that you have athletes getting injured all the time around wrestling. So you're basically just sending basically prey to a predator for decades at Ohio State and seeing it laid out this way. Go ahead. I'm sorry, David. You wanted to say something?

[David Sampson]

Think. I, I, I'm sorry, Dan. I didn't want the segment to end without telling you about a team doctor that we had with the Marlins that it turns out was doing unsavory things. A team doctor who examined me. I took physicals. Now, the team doctor in, in this story would shower with the athletes. Our team doctor did not do that. He was up in Jupiter. And what he did is he had a bunch of strange things in the drawers like handcuffs and various things that sexual deviants would use or people who have a more interesting life than I do. And it was never used on me. And when I found out about it after the fact, I was blown away in that I then was checking on older players like, did you know about this? Did you see this? So is there a chance that, that there are people in Ohio State who did not know what was going on? There is. But not the coaches and not the players around it and the executives at Ohio State because it was brought to them and they ignored it. Nothing was ever brought to me during the course of my time with the Marlins about this doctor.

[Dan LeBatard]

So you volunteered? I'm sorry, I don't even know what to do with what it is that you just.

[Cuervo Advertiser]

Should we be asking more follow ups?

[Stugatz]

We should. Yes.

[Dan LeBatard]

I, I, well, that's one thing that I would do, but I, I'm, I also want to play. Would you attend their funeral? So you want the joyful music and I've.

[Stugatz]

Come on, you used to be a journalist.

[Dan LeBatard]

Kind of stuck here. Yeah, I'm kind of the stock. But no, I do have follow up questions though.

[Cuervo Advertiser]

Do that.

[Dan LeBatard]

So take me through the details of what handcuffs and what handcuffs at what were in the clubhouse.

[David Sampson]

Because I didn't say the clubhouse. I said the doctor's office in the drawers where I was having my drawers around my ankle and, but they were never used on me.

[Dan LeBatard]

So none of these. Okay, well, no one assumed it was used on you? No one.

[Pablo Torre]

I'm just kidding.

[Greg Cody]

The other guy showered.

[Cuervo Advertiser]

Wait, but hold on.

[Greg Cody]

That part, you just threw that, that's the other doctor.

[Cuervo Advertiser]

There's one question, one direct follow up that we should be asking is did you have any evidence that this doctor was making any of your players feel uncomfortable?

[David Sampson]

No.

[Cuervo Advertiser]

Okay.

[David Sampson]

We had no evidence at all. We were absolutely shocked. And that's why I told you I went back two players on our team and said, by the way, did this happen with you? Were you a part of this? And the answer was no. Know not one player who is getting physicals or treated by this doctor ever saw any, any manifestation of these proclivities. Whereas in Ohio State there were issues all over the place.

[Stugatz]

How'd you find out about the handcuffs?

[David Sampson]

Oh, only when it got made public and he got arrested and he got sued. He was he uk. This is googleable. I'm not making this story up. Okay, you can search a doctor and if with initials that may be ds and you may find this story.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, So I don't know the history of this and where the lines are between, in the details, between deviants and illegalities. But just to put into context what David was saying about surviving Ohio State, which what I would recommend to anybody. But it will make you uncomfortable, as these things should, so that people can learn about them. For decades, a doctor with high school boys who are arriving at the culture of sport where, where, okay, these people know what they're doing, right? It's all about winning. I need to trust the adults here, right? This doctor was preying on kids who didn't know, weren't old enough to know how they're supposed to deal with whatever. The whatever is normal in the height of college sports that a doctor showers several times a day with the players, even though he's not, you know, working out or doing anything. And that's the doctor that everyone accepts as. That's that doctor everyone knows he's a little weird. It's just a fundamental leadership breach that is an indictment of everyone who was in charge at Ohio State, where they put winning ahead of all other things in a way that was really overt and chronicled. Well, in this. Now, please give me some happy music as palate cleanser and sorbet so we can get a little lighter on this segment.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Stugatz]

Funerals, Funerals.

[Dan LeBatard]

Lighting it up around here. The conversations get a lot funnier when it's just around death instead of the serious societal stuff.

[Cuervo Advertiser]

By the way, Billy Ray Cyrus is dating Elizabeth Hurley.

[David Sampson]

What? Who's 60?

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't see what the point of that is. That don't. What's the point of that?

[Cuervo Advertiser]

Why did you tidbit that there was a window maybe 10 minutes ago to mention that? I digress. Sandy Alderson. Would you attend Sandy's funeral?

[David Sampson]

Yeah. No. Here's why. Sandy was. He was with the Mets for a while. He was with MLB for a while. He's someone who I thought was pretty good. Got a lot of credit for doing things. Hall of Famer in. In some circles. But no, I. Even if it were convenient, I would be sorry. Cause it means the passage of time. But I wouldn't go to the field funeral.

[Cuervo Advertiser]

Former Morelands utility man Alfredo Emezica. Would you attend his funeral?

[Stugatz]

Messi.

[Pablo Torre]

Wow.

[David Sampson]

If I got a bunch of old players together, like, if I would call up Miggy, who is good friends with him.

[Stugatz]

You're making it a party. It's a funeral. I mean, it feels like his funeral.

[Cuervo Advertiser]

Would be a party.

[David Sampson]

I would only go if it were a reunion. Some sort of reunion of good teams that we had where we could hang out and party and have fun. Fun. I wouldn't go, like, with my head hung low and wear a tie. I'm not interested in that part, but I would definitely go with a bunch of the former guys and talk about the good times.

[Billy]

Would you go to Miguel Cabrera's funeral if Alfredo Mezega invited you?

[David Sampson]

I wouldn't need an invitation for a Mezega to go to Miggy's funeral with the guys.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[David Sampson]

Yeah. So I wouldn't need it. So the reason why I need to hang out for a message funeral is he's sort of a fringe funeral. So I. I need an incentive for Miggy I don't need any incentive though. I wouldn't go to Venezuela. So let me actually say depending on location for Miggy, I wouldn't put myself in jeopardy, but I would certainly go to the funeral in Florida.

[Cuervo Advertiser]

New twists on an old classic. Would Miguel Cabrera attend your funeral?

[David Sampson]

I believe that he would send a fruit basket.

[Cuervo Advertiser]

And you would send it to Detroit Point.

[Jeremy]

Let's play.

[Greg Cody]

Would you attend David's funeral, Greg?

[Cuervo Advertiser]

Would you?

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, wow. If. If I were invited, I think I might.

[Dan LeBatard]

Invited?

[Stugatz]

Invited. You decide if you want to go or not.

[Pablo Torre]

Invited to a funeral.

[David Sampson]

No, you don't.

[Dan LeBatard]

Wait a minute. What kind of answer was that? That's a man who's been slumbering and was not expecting the show to come. And did.

[Pablo Torre]

I was not, to be honest with.

[Stugatz]

You, caught off guard.

[Pablo Torre]

But yes, I think I would attend. You're gonna rsvp I think I would attendation.

[Jeremy]

David, you're getting the fish or the chickens.

[Dan LeBatard]

You, you got startled by our show, right? And. And then you made it an invitation only funeral. David, have you actually imagined who will be at your funeral?

[David Sampson]

Yeah, I have an actual plan that I'm going to do a funeral in Vegas and have one more big party in Vegas. I'd like to be buried in a Vegas cemetery so when people visit me, they can visit right off the airport and then go right to the casino. Make it easy for him.

[Cuervo Advertiser]

We'll go to a nays game before.

[Dan LeBatard]

Day night double header documentary, ashes in the outfield. How David was wrong and refused to admit it.

[Cuervo Advertiser]

By the way, the fruit basket's a better haul than you got the first time.

[Dan LeBatard]

See you later.

[Cuervo Advertiser]

David ranks better than Mike Rubello.

[Jeremy]

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[Cuervo]

Jeremy, you know something about me, right? You know when I'm grilling outside and it's summertime? You know how I supplement my summertime?

[Jeremy]

Of course I do.

[Cuervo]

I make it Miller time.

[Jeremy]

Of course.

[Cuervo]

That beautiful white can. Oh, when it's so hot outside, I just. I just put it right to my forehead right there and just roll it sometimes right on the forehead. Cool my body down. And then I crack it open. Instant relief. And then that first sip, brother, does that first hit.

[Jeremy]

That is a top five sequence of events that you can possibly go through.

[Cuervo]

I'm just serenity now. When I just imagine that first sip of Miller life, just thinking about it.

[Jeremy]

It'S making me happy.

[Cuervo]

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