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The Big Suey: What Greg Is Trying To Say (feat. Dianna Russini)
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Dan LeBatard
Now's a good time to remember where tequila's story truly began. In 1795, Cuervo invented tequila.
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Stugotz
Cuervo.
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Dan LeBatard
What are you doing here?
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Stugotz
Cuervo? Anytime someone says Cuervo, I show up.
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Dan LeBatard
Well, I do know that to be true. But even during ad reads like Cuervo, I think he could lay out, especially for one of our great partners.
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Stugotz
Sweet, delicious Cuervo.
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Dan LeBatard
Since then, Cuervo has stayed true to its roots. The same family, the same land, the same passion.
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Stugotz
Cuervo.
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Dan LeBatard
So enjoy the tequila that started it all. Cuervo. Cuervo, the tequila that invented tequila. Proximo. Cuervo.com please drink responsibly.
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Stugotz
Cuervo. Welcome to the Big Sui presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show, the podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBatard podcast? I'm sorry, I'm not gonna apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's FR guys that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys.
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Chris Cote
I've done it.
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Stugotz
And now here's the marching man to nowhere, Fat face and the habitual liar.
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Dan
This episode of the Dan Lebatard show is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings. The Crown is yours.
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Chris Cote
Start of the day, Start of the day it is your start of the day. Start of the day Start of the day it is your start of the day Start of the day Start of the day it is the start of the day Start of the day Start of the day it is the start of the day.
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Jeremy
Stat of the day is presented by Amazon Prime Video. Thursday Night Football is on. The Baltimore Ravens take on the Miami Dolphins. Coverage begins Thursday at 7pm Eastern only on Prime Video.
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Stugotz
The Giants and Jets are a combined 3 and 13. That is not the stat of the day. The top two passers in the NFL in net yards per pass attempt are Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold. So their former quarterbacks get out of those organizations and all of a sudden, explosive plays aplenty.
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Dan
Weren't they both on the Vikings last year?
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Stugotz
They were both good. Well, one of them was very good on the Vikings last year. And I thought Daniel Jones was going to be good for the Vikings if he had stayed there. I thought Daniel Jones was going to look a little like this if he had stayed there, because I think Justin Jefferson and their skill guys are that good. But he just took it with him to Indianapolis.
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Dan LeBatard
What's happening in Minnesota is Really interesting. And I'd love to ask Diana Rossini a question about what's going to happen there because Carson Wentz, it seems like his agent was talking to some reporters yesterday, a little pissed off about what happened to him as he's out there sacrificing his body, getting more and more hurt. As the Vikings take an extra cautious approach with J.J. mcCarthy, a quarterback that. We still have mixed feelings about what's going on in Minnesota, Are they going to try to get another quarterback?
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Diana Rossini
Hi, guys. Hi, Mike. Yeah, good question. Because it's been hanging over this Vikings organization for weeks, right? We saw that one quarter where J.J. mcCarthy was really good and we haven't seen it since. And then obviously he's been battling injury. Carson Wentz comes in here and look, I know the Vikings organization's taking a lot of heat the last 24 hours and we, I mean, we saw Carson in the game just getting beat up. And I think the, the out there and correct me if I'm wrong, I think, I think people think that that was Kevin O' Connell keeping Carson out there to protect JJ McCarthy or to just have him take the hit so he can protect the other quarterbacks on the bench. Look, that is not the case. From what I understand, this was Carson wanting to be out there trying to toughen through the pain, which credit to him for being as brave as he is. But. But unfortunately now his season's of the. The labrum that was torn and now he's got to get season ending surgery. He's on ir. So now what? Look, I, I feel like we could probably do a whole show about what happened in Minnesota this year. And I know we've talked about it on the show before in the off season when they had that option. Do you stick with Sam Darnold? Do you sign Daniel Jones? Do you go get Aaron Rodgers, Right? If you think about it, if we could get a time machine and go back, it's not like they made one decision. They made three, right? They didn't do any of those because they believed that J.J. mcCarthy was the guy. They used the money that they would have spent on bringing those quarterbacks to extend other players on their team to continue to build in hopes, in hopes that J.J. mcCarthy. And look, we still don't know. I think it's unfair for us to sit here right now headed into week nine and say J.J. mcCarthy's a bust, that that is not what they believe in that.
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Stugotz
Or he played one good quarter of football for them, just one.
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Diana Rossini
That's it. Right? But We've seen this before. I mean, we're talking about Daniel Jones. How many bad games have we seen in our lives of Daniel Jones? A lot. And look at him now. So I just think with a little bit of patience, some coaching here, it can improve. Okay, so let's put that to the side. Right? You have, we'll call it our hope jar that this works itself out. But when you reflect back when they had to make this call, they obviously did not know that this would be the case. I don't think they thought Sam Darnold would leave Minnesota and actually be better in this offense. Right. And he's using all the tutelage and everything he learned with Kevin o' Connell and just applying it in Seattle.
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Dan LeBatard
Who did. Who did.
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Stugotz
Did Seattle be. Did Seattle believe that he'd be better than he was in Minnesota? I thought the Minnesot Sam Darnold is the best Sam Darnold any of us would ever see.
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Diana Rossini
Same. I think most did. I think Seattle assumed he would be good. I don't think that they thought it would be like this. And if they did, John Schneider, the general manager there, had this ability to see this credit to him. But I remember covering this during free agency and I remember talking to all the different parties, all the different teams and all. And it wasn't like they were knocking down the door of Sam Donner. Like you're the guy, we believe in you. They had confidence in him and Minnesota really, they were ready to move on from Sam. They. There were guys in that building that really want to bring Sam back. But when it came down to it, it was. It was Kevin OConnells decision. And in his mind he could win with JJ McCarthy.
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Stugotz
You don't draft. You don't draft JJ McCarthy that high, higher than most other teams would have taken him. Unless you were ready to move on from Sam Darnold.
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Diana Rossini
Correct. And you have the Daniel Jones situation now. Just to remind you guys, the situation there was they went to Daniel Jones and said, look, we want you back. And his camp said, okay, but he's the starter. And you're like, no, you're not the starter. We'll let you come out and compete, but you're not the starter. And so Daniel Jones's camp was like, well, we're going to go to Indy because we know we'll start. Like we know the situation there. Anthony Richardson is not going to beat out Daniel Jones. That's how confident they felt that Daniel Jones could win it. He knew he could be the starter, so he went Right. So they. Now that's two whiffs. And I say with. Because now we have the intel. I did not think Daniel Jones would this be this good. I did not know that they would look like the Philadelphia Eagles this year. Right. Then you've got the Aaron Rodgers scenario where Aaron Rodgers is available. He's putting out all those smoke signals of, hey, I want to play for you. And there was considerable conversations in. In Minnesota about signing Aaron Rodgers. This was not just Rodgers calling Kevin going, I want to play for you. They talked about it, and they were weighing it heavily. And they made the decision as a group that they don't want to go in that direction, that they want to go all in on J.J. mcCarthy. And so now they're living with that. And it's just going to take some time. And I think if. If ownership is comfortable with the. Really, they have to be patient here. They're okay. But it's hard not to let your mind go to places where you think this team is built to win. If they just had good quarterback play, I think they'd be one of the top NFC teams we're talking about right now.
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Greg Cody
So the Vikings are putting off vibes like they don't quite trust J.J. mcCarthy.
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Stugotz
What happened to your mask?
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Greg Cody
Like something's wrong with him. It was a temporary. It was a temporary wait, Greg, what do you mean?
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Diana Rossini
What do you mean they're putting outside, like, you think they look hesitant?
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Greg Cody
Yes. I mean, Wentz's own people are implying that JJ McCarthy has been ready and they're just withholding, putting him out there because they're worried about getting him beat up or something. Is there. Are there doubts about JJ McCarthy? Because it seems like that's what I'm getting from the Vikings. And what do you make.
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Stugotz
And what do you make of what Wentz's agent did yesterday? Because that's not the most common thing in the world. He's not helping matters in Minnesota. He's obviously mad that his client, you know, was a torso, gave the entirety of his body. Carson Wentz has been crushed the last three weeks physically. Like, he's just getting totally beat up.
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Diana Rossini
Greg, I feel like you're asking me, is this a soft benching of J.J. mcCarthy? Yes. I do not believe so.
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Greg Cody
You don't?
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Diana Rossini
I don't think they're benching JJ McCarthy. I think this was a high ankle sprain that I had. I was told early, and I know there's been a lot of reporting. I've consistently said it. It was four to six weeks and he has had to go through a few more hurdles to get cleared. They want a full week of practice. We're here now. Right. Like, he's expected to start this week. I don't think they were trying to shove JJ in the back to hide him, because they went, oh, my God, this kid is a nightmare. He stinks. I don't think that's the case. I think they still believe in him. I just don't think they're holding him in the same regard that we saw in the. At camp. Remember, I talked to you guys, I went to training camp, and I saw him. He was fantastic. He was so good. He has it. I just think there's some battles that they're having in building his confidence back up and dealing with the injury. So it's a, It's a combination of a lot of different things.
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Dan LeBatard
You saw what Diana did there. I know you appreciated that.
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Dan
Diana, what do I do?
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Diana Rossini
What I do?
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Dan
No, no, you were fine.
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Dan LeBatard
You were great.
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Dan
You were very. Diana, Real pro. What do you make of Dan coming over the top of Greg's question? You know, getting in his own.
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Mike Ryan
That's his move.
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Dan LeBatard
His own question.
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Stugotz
Well, I, I wanted to add that Carson Wentz's agent, I wanted to get doing it again.
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Dan LeBatard
Don't let him do it again. He's doing it again.
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Diana Rossini
You know what Dan does? I do it to my mom when we're, like, at a restaurant or store where I think she's either not talking fast enough or I think that the person we're talking to doesn't understand.
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Stugotz
Yep.
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Diana Rossini
And I talk for her, and she'll look at me and go, I can talk. I don't need you to talk to me. Right. So, Greg, I, I, I needed to see that because now I understand why she gets annoyed at me. Because it, it's rude. It's a little condescending.
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Greg Cody
Yeah, very.
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Diana Rossini
There's a little bit of ageism there.
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Greg Cody
Yeah.
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Diana Rossini
And obviously the pace you're moving at is not fast enough for Dan, but.
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Greg Cody
Exactly.
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Diana Rossini
Greg, just so you know, I knew what you were asking. I didn't need Dan to add the agent part. Thank you, buddy.
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Greg Cody
But to Dan's credit, at least he doesn't say to you what Greg is trying to say is at least he's more subtle than that.
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Stugotz
I just wanted to add the agent information because Carson Wentz's agent has done something that is unusual. So I tell you, that wasn't. I wasn't actually speaking for Greg. I was actually adding information for the audience.
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Diana Rossini
Dan, one of the Biggest fights I ever got in with my mom was in a parking lot outside of a restaurant. And because I did that and she didn't say a word to me. Okay. And that week I had gone through a horrible breakup and I was devastated. And this lunch that we went to was to just talk it out and she was being a good mom. So after I do the thing that you just did where I'm like talking to the waitress, I'm like, this is what she wants. You know, we get in the parking lot again, she hasn't said a word, which is like unheard of. We're about to get in the car and she looks across the car and goes, by the way, this is why he left you.
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Stugotz
Oh, no.
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Diana Rossini
My sister and sister in law were with me. They still to. This was 12 years ago. To this day they're like, that without a doubt was the harshest we've ever like seen your mom. And I'd get double fingered her, I was done with you, I hate you, the whole thing. But she, she was right though. She was. That's why he left me, because I never shut up. But yeah, she, she went for the dagger. Don't do that. You can't play that dirty.
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Dan
Don't do that, Dan.
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Greg Cody
Lesson learned.
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Diana Rossini
Don LeBatard Daddy says you're doing a live show on the draft. Rick, is it channel 7 stugats? Those girls on Eyewitness News. They look good. They're mothers. They look good, though.
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Chris Cote
This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach.
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Stugotz
Don't try and add agent information for the audience. I was not speaking for Greg Cody.
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Dan LeBatard
It was like so.
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Diana Rossini
Well, you guys are good at philosophy, like, like theorizing these things. What do you think Carson's agent was trying to put out yesterday? Because they did not.
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Stugotz
He thinks the Vikings wrecked his client's body and so he's pissed. That's what I thought.
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Dan LeBatard
I mean, there was a certain tone attached to Ian Rapoport weighing in on the situation that made you feel like something was coming from Carson Wentz camp. That was pretty negative and understandably so. I mean, I've never seen Carson Wentz display the kind of emotion that he's displayed trying to tough it out through that Injury.
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Diana Rossini
Yeah. And I. It's funny, you're right, because I am seeing the other side to it were kind of what I'm explaining, which is, you know, having conversations with people there like this. This was the process for us. Right? This is what we were doing. We're not purposely just putting them out there to die. And I say that dramatically, not to be funny at all. So, look, at the end of the day, Carson's not here on. He's not with the Vikings. He's on ir. What are they going to do? Because if Jade, like, look at the situation. If J.J. mcCarthy comes back and he looks the way he did the last time we saw him, this is going to be a really long season for them and a rough one, and he's going to get hurt again because he's not ready. Based on what we saw that last time, if he can play like we saw him against the Bears in that fourth quarter where he was, you know, throwing miracle balls, then, then. Then they'll be in good shape. I just. I just don't know where JJ McCarthy is at right now.
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Dan LeBatard
Diana, I know this is super interesting, but let's briefly put a bow on this. They're obviously invested in JJ McCarthy, but do they get an insurance policy? It's not like Kirk. I know Kirk Cousins. Rumors are always going to be out there. It's not like he did anything to improve his. His trade value.
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Diana Rossini
No, no, I don't. I think the Kirk Cousins story, I have a hard time believing that'll happen. I think they were toying with it a little bit at one point. I know Kirk wanted to go back there. I don't think that's going to be a reality, though. And you're right. Like, just the way Kirk is. Kirk does. Kirk doesn't look great right now. So, no, I don't have any intel right now of them taking some big swing to get a quarterback or some super. And here's the problem, too, Mike. Look around the league. Anyone that has a good backup, like, for example, the Houston Texans, like, teams call them all the time about Davis Mills. They're like, no way. You can't touch them. Like, you want that insurance policy. So it's really hard for Minnesota to go find someone now because everyone's locked in to who their guys are, and every other team has problems with their backup quarterbacks. Look at San Francisco, right? They're lucky they've had Mac Jones.
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Dan
Diana, you reported on Saturday Morning, I think it was that Steve Sarkeesian has put out feelers to the NFL and. And I think specifically the Tennessee job. His agents came out and strongly denied it. He did as well. Why would they do that? Like, isn't that a good thing if there are rumors out there about him wanting to go to the NFL?
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Diana Rossini
No. It's horrible when you're the head coach of Texas and you've got recruits visiting and it's game day and you got nil and just all. All the weird landscape of college now that. That goes with this, like, year. You're right. Like, years ago. Who cares? Who cares? Steve Sarkeesian wants to be an NFL coach. Not breaking news. Right. Most college coaches want to coach in the NFL, but in 2025, there are just so many different factors and so many, you know, with. With the portal players wanting to maybe leave if they don't trust that their coach is going to be there. There. There's a lot of layers, and they have every right to be mad. Unfortunately, they never added that Steve Sarkeesian wants to stay at Texas. Right. They just said, this is not true. We did not talk to any NFL teams. And Jimmy Sexton and Steve Sarkeesian, you know, just. Just to be clear that the reporting I did did not come from them. Like, Steve didn't call me on Saturday morning and be like, hey, like, report this. So I think. Does Steve Sarkeesian have thoughts about coaching the NFL? Absolutely. We'll just see how this goes the rest of the year. I think it's totally fair and understanding to say that Steve Sarkeesian is always going to keep his options open. He should. He should. It would be smart business for Steve to always have options outside of Texas.
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Stugotz
Chris, we're going to speed her up here to get more football information because we spent way too much time on the Vikings. Also, Jeremy is enraged, okay. During the break, while Greg Cody was in the other room and saying that Meadowlark media does nothing better than bacon. Okay. Because he was over there just eating bacon with his bare hands as Frankenstein. Jeremy was screaming at everybody. We didn't spend enough time on baseball. We haven't spent enough time on baseball. Why were you talking about the, um, offensive coordinator? I want to do baseball. That's the greatest baseball game ever played. And we continue to just do football with Diana. So go ahead and speed Diana up here and take a guess, guys. Take a guess. We'll get to Jeremy in a second. He's got a whiteboard. A lot of things that he wants to talk about. You want to take a guess at who the third best point differential in The NFL is at the top. You've got the Colts by a good margin. Second is the Chiefs. For all the hand wringing that I did, the Chiefs are second. Do you want to guess who's third? Anybody want to guess who's third?
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Greg Cody
Chargers.
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Stugotz
Incorrect. Anybody want to guess who's third? Incorrect. Anybody? Anybody?
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Diana Rossini
Patriots.
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Stugotz
That is correct. The Patriots is correct. I would have guessed the Lions. Can you explain to me what it is other than Drake May that the Patriots are doing?
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Diana Rossini
Josh McDaniel was the best hire that Mike Vrabel could have made. And when he made it, most people said, boring, worn out, exhausting, predictable, not outside the box, not creative. The game has changed. He's failed multiple times. And yet when you talk to people in New England, the relationship that Drake May has with Josh McDaniels and the connection that they have has a little bit of a Brady feel.
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Dan LeBatard
Wow. Diana, if you could talk a little bit about real quick Josh McDaniel's offseason because there was a lot of league chatter that said he was just in the lab reshaping his entire approach to offense, breaking himself of some old habits.
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Diana Rossini
Yeah, I mean, he was visiting a lot of different places and, and trying to learn. You see this a lot like the self reflection. Dan Quinn talked about it after he was fired as well, of just what am I not doing right? Where am I having a disconnect with the team, with the organization, with ownership as a leader? And I think that Josh McDaniels is just comfortable. Josh McDaniels is comfortable in New England with that ownership group. I think him and Mike Vrabel speak the same language they never had, from what I understand, some close friendship that they brought, you know, that he brought McDaniel's in because it makes, you know, this is my guy. It's just we know this world, we know how to operate here. We know this fan base, we know this division. And I just think that, that when you're comfortable, you can be at your best.
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Dan
Diana, can Jonathan Taylor win mvp? Considering Saquon Barkley couldn't win it last.
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Diana Rossini
Year, that was going to be my reason. No. Right. And I think there's. There is good quarterback play right now that it's going to make it hard. And you're right, like if Saquon Barkley can't win it after what he did rushing for 2,000 yards and just absolutely being the most important person on that team, I think it's hard to make that argument for Jonathan Taylor. But I will say last year, before I made My vote for that, I called a bunch of players just to I love picking their brains. Like who do you think? Who do you think? And I will say Saquon got more. I got more answers that Saquon should be it than than anything else. But I did not vote for Saquon. Sorry, Saquon.
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Greg Cody
Baltimore gets its magic wand back this week. Does Lamar Jackson lead 2 and 5 Ravens into the playoffs?
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Diana Rossini
Yes, yes, Yes. I think. Wow.
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Stugotz
Whoa.
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Diana Rossini
I don't doubt Lamar Jackson. I think with him coming back, it's going to give this team the surge it needs. The defense made some good corrections. I still don't think they're great, but improved. And I think Lamar Jackson, he's the straw that stirs a drink. You bring him out there and they're unstoppable.
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Stugotz
What do you make of this tweet from Nick Wright? The current state of NFL Insider reporting the fans don't get to know that Carson Wentz suffered major injury nearly a month ago while he's still playing. But once he's shut down for the season, we're allowed to know all the gritty, tough details, shout out to the agents.
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Diana Rossini
I think everyone wants more information and everybody wants the truth. And we're in an age right now where there is so much chatter and so many bad, I guess, Twitter handles and aggregators and misinformation that I think that's more Nick pushing back on. Like, I just, I don't want transaction. I don't want agent handed intel. I want information that no one else has that's going to give me a little bit more insight into what's happening, not just package reporting. What I get it.
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Stugotz
What's real on A.J. brown and the Eagles and a smaller role. I get why AJ Brown would be saying, yeah, yeah, we're winning, but we'd win more and better if you threw me the ball more.
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Diana Rossini
Philly is not gonna like you today. Look, using me, not using me, right like that. You basically just described what how he feels. And I think the offense that we saw against the New York Giants this past weekend is what Philly wants to wants to do now. Add AJ Brown to it and this thing could be electric. Unfortunately, I don't think A.J. brown believes that he's going to be used in a way that he wants to, which is throughout the entire game. So you have an unhappy superstar receiver who, unless he's going to get fed the way he wants to, is never going to be happy. And sometimes with these wide receivers, I I don't know what the Recipe is to make them happy. You know, he had two touchdowns, 120 yards against the Vikings, and he was miserable. I think I talked to Philly, Philadelphia Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie about this. You know, like, what do you. What would you do if A.J. brown knocked on your door and was like, get me out of here. I'm not happy. And he's like, look, we'll do what's best for the Philadelphia Eagles. And after having more conversations with Philly over the weekend, unless it's a blockbuster deal, they're not going to move them. But a lot of that changes if they're aware that their receiver is so miserable. Because we've. We've seen before how this stuff plays out faster.
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Dan
Is Caleb Williams going to be the third best QB in his draft class?
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Diana Rossini
He could be. I mean, right? We're still. We're still figuring out J.J. mcCarthy here. It's obviously Drake May. It's Jaden. Yeah. Caleb is easily in there.
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Dan LeBatard
Bo.
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Diana Rossini
Nick Mix is. Is. Is touched. Appears to be improving. I think that's fair.
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Stugotz
What do you make of Woody Johnson doing everything he did to Justin Fields?
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Diana Rossini
Unaware, sad, bad leadership.
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Stugotz
Any Halloween plans?
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Diana Rossini
Yes. Do you guys know what getting booed is?
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Stugotz
Getting like?
- [27:20]
Diana Rossini
Like, booed during Halloween season.
- [27:23]
Stugotz
Booed at home.
- [27:24]
Diana Rossini
Yeah.
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Dan LeBatard
Yeah.
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Diana Rossini
No, it's horrible.
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Stugotz
What is it?
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Diana Rossini
So at nighttime in October, people come up and ding dong ditch. So they ring your doorbell and they leave gifts for your kids on the porch, and then they run away. And I don't understand this. I think it's dumb. It wakes my kids up, but it's every day, so I don't know what to do.
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Stugotz
Why. Why is that booed? They're leaving you a gift. It's not like. It's not. It's not a bag.
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Diana Rossini
It's like, boo. Like it was a ghost that left you a present. Oh, I want to change it to boozed and just have people leave me bottles of wine or something. Because it's just. I don't. I. I don't get. Like, we're gonna have a whole day of candy, right? Like, we're gonna do a whole day of going all the different streets and houses and bother everyone. I just don't. I don't understand because I. Here's what it is. I'll tell you the truth. I killed. Feel guilty. Do I have to go boo people now? Do I have to go do packages of kids drive around my neighborhood?
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Stugotz
You got booed.
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Jeremy
You should boo back.
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Diana Rossini
I want to change it, though. I feel like we got to do something different.
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Dan
Be the change you want.
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Greg Cody
Yes.
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Stugotz
Are you, are you wearing a costume this year? Are you going to go around the neighborhood with the kids? How do you do it?
- [28:37]
Diana Rossini
Yeah, I don't do the costume, but I'm going to be there and, and just hang out and support and try to get them to go to the houses that have the good candy.
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Stugotz
She's the NFL Insider senior NFL Insider for the athletic and the host of the Scoop City podcast. Nice seeing you, Diana. Always nice seeing you.
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Chris Cote
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Dan LeBatard
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Stugotz
Don LeBatard, are you on the fan right now?
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Diana Rossini
Did Mike Greenberg call you yet? Are you ever gonna go back to espn? People think it's so weird you're a writer now. All those years on tv. All those years and now you write. Who reads that?
- [31:11]
Dan LeBatard
Stugats.
- [31:12]
Diana Rossini
Why did you take a job at the Atlantic? Mom, I work at the Athletic. What? You're on YouTube.
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Chris Cote
This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.
- [31:29]
Stugotz
Jeremy has been very patient. He is enraged. He's been working on a whiteboard for the last 30 minutes. He's been insisting that we go to him while we've been talking about the Minnesota Vikings. What are they? The three win Minnesota Vikings. Ten minutes on the three win Minnesota Vikings. Instead of talking about the greatest baseball game ever played, Jeremy will be doing a livestream with Chris Cody and others off of Game 5 of the World Series, presented by DraftKings. There is a furious.
- [31:59]
Dan LeBatard
What are you.
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Stugotz
What are you running your hand against your neck for, Jeremy? Why are you telling. Are you telling me not to come to you or you're not doing the live stream? What are you doing?
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Jeremy
No, I was telling our video team that I need to have this light right here because Mike Ryan has scared every single other person in this room about the shade of green on my face. You're bringing it up. And so I was making sure that. That Mike Fuentes was in this shot with the light as close as humanly possible. It makes it worse. But yes, we do have a live stream coming up for game five. That's tomorrow night. It's going to be really great. And if the game goes 18 innings, we'll be with you until 3 in the morning.
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Stugotz
That would have been great if you guys had been doing the live stream till 3. The live stream last night. What is your whiteboard? What are you trying to show us? Did Shohei Otani reach base nine times last night?
- [32:43]
Jeremy
Yes, Shohei Otani reached base nine times. He's the first person to do that.
- [32:47]
Dan
So good.
- [32:47]
Jeremy
Period. I have a bunch of stats here. This is a Venn diagram, sort of in which we could see Shohei Ohtani in the middle and all of these people who he shares statistics with. So Shohei Ohtani joins Babe Ruth as the only players in baseball history with multiple pitchings. Multiple pitching starts, more than two home runs in his postseason career.
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Greg Cody
Yeah.
- [33:10]
Jeremy
How about Corey Seeger here? Eight home runs for one Dodgers postseason. He won World Series mvp. He got three. Three plus multi Homer games in postseason history in one postseason.
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Stugotz
I'm gonna need. Okay, people don't love math with their audio experience to just slow down and, and do it at a pace where people can absorb what you're saying. So Ohtani has how many home runs now this postseason? Most by a Dodger ever.
- [33:33]
Jeremy
He has eight home runs this postseason. It ties Corey Seeger for the most in one Dodgers postseason.
- [33:40]
Stugotz
This also includes a 1 for 17 stretch. That's the middle of this.
- [33:43]
Jeremy
That's right. That's the, that's maybe the craziest part. And, and it includes a. Over the last couple of games where he has 12 total bases in one game, 12 total bases in the next game. Those are his last two at Dodger Stadium. There's not another major league player in the modern area, modern era rather, that's had a dozen total bases in two consecutive home games ever regular season or postseason history. It's, it's insane. Four extra base hits in one postseason game. Frank Isbel, 1906.
- [34:15]
Dan
I don't know that fool.
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Jeremy
Bases empty intentional walks in the World Series. Ohtani joins Only Albert Pujos. Six homers in four games in one postseason. Ohtani joins Mr. October, Reggie Jackson. Twelve plus total bases at a World Series game. He joins Pablo Sandoval, Albert Pujols, Reggie Jackson, Babe Ruth. Eight plus intentional walks in one postseason. Ohtani joins Barry Bonds and Albert Pujos. Three plus intentional walks in one World Series games. It's Bonds, it's Pujos, it's big Poppy, it's Rudy York. And then here's the big one, Rudy York. Including pitching. Because remember, Ohtani starts tonight. Right handed pitchers with six innings pitched, two hits or fewer, 10 strikeouts in an NLCS. Max Scherzer, Josh Beckett and Shohei Ohtani. It's unbelievable. It's not only the greatest game ever played in one World Series game. And in closing, totally sorry, I've been hearing Chris talking to the production crew in my ear the entire time. It's the single greatest athlete in the history of sports.
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Stugotz
Put it on the poll at Lebatard show. What the hell is Rudy York doing in there?
- [35:37]
Dan LeBatard
Who's Rudy?
- [35:39]
Stugotz
And please look up for me whatever information you have of when Rudy York played. What is the year that Rudy York played? This is a person that does not belong in this group of people that you have just assembled. Your board was filled the sondable maybe, but Rudy York I don't think belongs in that list of.
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Greg Cody
Of greats demeans the board.
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Stugotz
But find me some information please on Rudy York. So That I can answer great. Cody's questions on why it is that Rudy York is in there. When did Rudy York play? What is Rudy York's history?
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Chris Cote
All right, he's. He played for 13 seasons between 1934, skipped a couple of years, started again 1937 to 1948.
- [36:22]
Stugotz
Why did he skip a couple of years?
- [36:24]
Chris Cote
I guess he got. Sit back down.
- [36:25]
Greg Cody
Lack of interest.
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Stugotz
There a war or something? There were wars. There were. There was a. There was a Ted Williams, the middle of his career. He was a fighter pilot. That doesn't happen that often anymore. I wanted to ask you guys something that happened during the football game last night. There was a play that Zach Ertz to me on fourth down, absolutely converted a fourth down with a catch. And I am always amazed that. I do think that for all the complaints that we have everywhere in sport around officiating, I think the NFL does a fairly great job at spotting the football. Generally speaking, there are mistakes made, but the spotting of the football is difficult and I think they do it well. But last night they went to technology that is new now for a first down. And it seemed to me obvious visually on slow motion and otherwise that Zach Ertz had gotten the first down. But when they went to their new technology on measurement that is not unlike tennis's, they gave the ball to Kansas City and said it was five inches short. And it seemed to me like the technology got it wrong. To my eye, it seemed like Zach Ertz got the first down and it was clear that he got the first down. What do you do with that? Are my eyes lying to me? Are you believing that the technology right now is so good and so advanced, even though it's the first year of the technology and they've done this pretty well with those chains over the years? I thought they got it wrong last night with the technology.
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Dan
So I didn't see the player. Talk about him flipping back and forth with the baseball, but are you talking about your eyes saw him like the yellow line or you're actually able to see where. Where the stick was?
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Stugotz
I was watching all of it, okay. I was watching where the stick was. I was watching where his knee was. I was watching slow motion. I was watching where it is that he was putting the ball progress. And I thought. I thought. I thought it was obvious that he got. Not by much, but I didn't think there was any circumstance under which that was going to be ruled short. I thought it was obvious to everyone on the field that he had gotten. It wasn't like a whole lot of Kansas City players were sitting there saying it was the other direction, but they went to that. What is that? Tennis technology where it's like, like you trust the technology here they have that technology.
- [38:38]
Dan LeBatard
Oh, eagle eye.
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Dan
I love the tennis ball. But how do they know with this new technology they're using with the football? Because, okay, they could tell where the football is, but how do they know where like the knee was down?
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Stugotz
They're doing virtual, they're. They call it a virtual measurement. Okay. And I have not seen this happen before because in tennis I trust that thing completely.
- [39:01]
Dan
Well, the only thing you need to own tennis is the ball.
- [39:03]
Stugotz
Correct. But this wasn't even a problem of the knee or anything else. And I guess from the look on your guys faces, you did not have the experience with this that I did. Which I thought it was simply obvious that not my much, but that Zach Ertz had indeed gotten that first down. In fact, I didn't think they were going to even have to measure it with chains if they still did it that way.
- [39:26]
Greg Cody
I remember the play and it was too close to call. But I think it does a disservice to sports, any sport when you're going back and forth through human judgment and technology. Pick one or the other. Either trust what the linesman says, trust what the chain gang says, or go completely to technology. I think it's bad when you have the call on the field and then you overturn it or justify it with technology, one or the other. Humans or technology, not both.
- [39:56]
Dan
I'm looking at the still shot right now. It looks like a first down.
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Dan LeBatard
You know, Zach Ertz is one of the greatest tight ends in NFL history.
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Diana Rossini
That can't be true.
- [40:04]
Dan LeBatard
He's a top 10 tight end in NFL history.
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Greg Cody
Yeah, pretty good.
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Dan LeBatard
Last night he became just the sixth tight end to eclipse 800 career receptions. That list is Tony Gonzalez, Jason Whitten, Travis Kelce, Antonio Gates and Shannon Sharpe. It's pretty amazing because Zach Ertz is. It felt like Zach Ertz's career was written off like four seasons ago.
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Jeremy
Jay Novacek would like a word.
- [40:27]
Dan LeBatard
He can have his word and then get behind Zachary in line.
- [40:30]
Stugotz
Well, this is where I will simply object to what it is that you're framing there. Even though statistically and empirically it can't be argued the numbers that you're talking about. But just like I will not accept that the 50 point basketball game is the same specifically because Austin Reaves and Lauri Markkanen have done it in back to back nights, I don't believe that the tight ends of the past have been eclipsed by Zach Ertz. Because you say so numeric.
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Jeremy
Dallas Clark would like a word.
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Stugotz
Dallas Clark.
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Jeremy
Keith Miller would like a word.
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Dan LeBatard
He can get behind Dallas Clark.
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Stugotz
The immortal Mark Andrews would like a word.
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Greg Cody
John Mackey.
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Dan LeBatard
No.
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Jeremy
Greg Olson would like a word.
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Chris Cote
Keith Jackson.
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Dan LeBatard
It is a different era, but it's also a difficult position to have that kind of longevity.
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Dan
Keith Jackson was.
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Stugotz
Because Mike Ditka would like a word.
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Jeremy
Shohei Ohtani would be better.
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Dan LeBatard
Look, you're seeing what's happening to Travis Kelce at his age. That's usually how it goes for these boxers. Travis Kelsey, actually, he had a great game in terms of yak. Like, that's not something he's really doing.
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Stugotz
In terms of everything. Wasn't he their leading receiver last night?
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Dan LeBatard
Yeah, it's just, I guess the eye test. I'm sure someone can run it empirically, but, like, he's fallen down a hell of a lot after as soon as he catches these balls. He looks older as he's supposed to. Zach Ertz looks great. Like, he looks better now than he looked five years ago. It's a difficult position to have longevity in because you're carrying so much weight around and you're doing so much blocking at the line of scrimmage. I don't think Zach Hurts is one of the the 10 best tight ends in NFL history, even though you can make an argument for it. I don't think he's better than George Kittle, but it's crazy that he's had this kind of career resurgence.
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Jeremy
Dave Casper would like a word.
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Stugotz
I. I object, okay. To the distortion of the numbers in today's game. The moment Lauri Markkanen becomes the first 50 point scorer in Utah history since Karl Malone. That is where you have made the 50 point game irrelevant. I thought perhaps I was headed there yesterday with Austin reaves getting the 50 point game, but it was solidified for me. It was solidified for me last week.
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Jeremy
Are we doing our MVP of the day? Oh, I have imaging.
- [42:41]
Dan
Okay.
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Jeremy
Yup.
- [42:49]
Dan LeBatard
V.
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Chris Cote
Of the day.
- [42:56]
Dan
Stan, I got a new. There's a. There's a new front runner. A new front runner for league MVP right now. And his name is Tyrese Maxey. Oh, that's right. First of all, the Sixers, if you know a 3. 0, Matt, their MB didn't play. He sucks. They're better without Embiid. He's a terrible player. And Tyrese Maxey, 43 points last night. Maxey so far this season, three games is averaging 34 points, seven and a half assists a game. His team is undefeated. Tyrese Maxey has entered the MVP conversation.
- [43:33]
Jeremy
Shohei Ohtani is the first player with three multi homer games in a single postseason. He starts on the mound tonight.
- [44:06]
Dan LeBatard
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- [44:14]
Stugotz
Cuervo Anytime someone says Cuervo, I show up.
- [44:16]
Dan LeBatard
Well, I do know that to be true. But even during ad reads like Cuervo, I think you could lay out, especially for one of our great partners.
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Stugotz
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Dan LeBatard
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Stugotz
Cuervo.
- [44:30]
Dan LeBatard
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Stugotz
Cuervo.