The Big Suey: Why Do You Have Me On The Show? (feat. Dianna Russini)

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: The Big Suey: Why Do You Have Me On The Show?
Date: December 16, 2025
Featured Guest: Dianna Russini

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Overview

In this episode, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and their rotating crew (including Greg Cote, Roy, Tony, Mike, etc.) broadcast from the Elser Hotel in Miami alongside special guest Dianna Russini, Senior NFL Insider for The Athletic and host of the "Scoop City" podcast. The group dives into NFL trends, quirky league traditions, sports media recognition, and the unique oddities of professional life in and out of football, all seasoned with the show’s signature blend of irreverence, banter, and self-awareness.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Pablo Torre: Sports Media Person of the Year

• (03:00-04:10)
  • Dan announces Pablo Torre’s unanimous win for Awful Announcing’s Sports Media Person of the Year, noting his ability to "thread the needle of performing legitimate journalism while also adapting and embracing the reality of today’s industry."
  • The show reacts with a kind of half-hearted positivity, poking fun at both Torre and the self-congratulatory nature of media awards.
  • Quote:
    “When it comes to the year that was in sports media, 2025 will be remembered as the year that Pablo Torre found out.” — Dan Le Batard (03:09)

2. Dianna Russini: NFL Insider Life & Netflix Christmas Day Game

• (04:35-07:08)

  • Dianna is congratulated on her career and discusses her role covering the upcoming Netflix NFL Christmas Day doubleheader, specifically the Lions vs. Vikings game in Minnesota.
  • Humor arises around dealing with Minnesota weather:
    “I want to ask a team for one of those capes...You know how the guys wear the capes on the sidelines?” — Dianna Russini (05:44)

• Dianna digs into sideline "capes"/ponchos and their role in cold weather games, the specifics of their construction, and the vanity of some teams:
  “Some coaches don’t like the appearance of it...Some teams have sleeves in it so it doesn’t look so cape-like.” (06:33)

3. Women in Sports Media: Early Career Reflections

• (07:44-08:47)
  • Dianna relates an early ESPN experience with Mina Kimes, debating whether to lean into some of the show’s wackier segments as women in a male-dominated field.
  • Quote:
    “I remember looking at her like, ‘Let’s just do it.’ And she did it...I think she turned out all right.” — Dianna Russini (08:22)

4. NFL Analysis — Seahawks, Rams, and Executives

• (08:47-10:44)
  • Dan asks if the Seahawks are a true contender, and Dianna credits MVP-level quarterback play and exceptional organizational direction in Seattle post-Russell Wilson/Pete Carroll:
    “I think what John Schneider has done is executive-of-the-year type of work.” — Dianna Russini (09:55)
  • The group also wonders if Pete Carroll regrets leaving Seattle, leading Dianna to discuss Max Crosby’s legacy questions with the Raiders and Tom Brady’s peculiar front-office influence in Vegas:
    “Tom Brady’s not there...but there’s eyes and ears on the ground reporting back to him.” (11:00)

5. Joe Burrow’s Mental Health & Bengals’ Organizational Issues

• (12:06-13:49, 16:49-19:38)
  • Dianna breaks down Joe Burrow’s recent vulnerable comments about not having fun, emphasizing his obsessive competitiveness and frustration with "losing and being part of why they’re losing."
  • She also highlights the lack of investment in Cincinnati facilities, contrasting them with the rest of the league:
    “So many teams have done a good job of upgrading...even if they’re losing franchises, they have good facilities...so I think we all kind of feel for him.” (17:36)
  • Dan adds:
    “When he’s sitting in their shitty brown whirlpool because they’re cheap, he’s looking around like, ‘This doesn’t feel like stardom to me.’” (18:27)

6. NFL Facilities: Stereotypes and Realities

• (19:04-20:39)
  • Dianna quizzes Dan on NFL facility stereotypes (e.g., "everything in New Jersey as being brown"), sparking Jersey pride/trolling.
  • Dianna provides quick-fire assessments:
    • Giants: Facility "lovely, looks like an elementary school"
    • Patriots: "Okay, remodeling, probably bottom five"
    • Jets: "Unbelievable, that’s a really nice one" (20:19)

7. Coaching Carousel: Marcus Freeman’s Rising Profile

• (24:18-25:37)
  • Dianna shares Giants’ and other teams’ interest in Marcus Freeman, teasing the NFL’s annual coach-hunting speculation:
    “I think the New York Giants are definitely serious...and I think there’s gonna be other NFL teams who have their eye.” (25:12)

8. Personal Life: The NFL Christmas Game and Family Dynamics

• (22:22-23:43)
  • Dianna confides she’ll miss her family’s Christmas party for the NFL gig and describes her husband’s one-man hosting challenge and her siblings’ skepticism.
  • Quote:
    “My siblings are like, ‘This is weird. We don’t want to come over. You’re not there.’” (23:21)

9. Heisman Weekend "Controversy": Diego Pavia vs. Mendoza

• (30:40-39:57)
  • Dan brings up Diego Pavia’s club antics—disparaging voters and fellow finalist Mendoza after coming second in Heisman voting. The table eviscerates his lack of "sportsmanship" and PR team apology.
  • Roy: “He just embarrassed himself and his school. You rarely see that kind of behavior, that classlessness on a stage that big.” (33:31)
  • Stugotz: “His entire night was geared around being an asshole.” (37:54)
  • Dan queries if the Big Ten result swung the Heisman, with Mike diving into the stats and big moments for each candidate.

10. Fun Debates: Clocks, Military Time, and Lost Skills

• (41:20-43:42)
  • The hosts debate whether kids can read analog clocks, reminisce about cursive writing, and joke about military time.
  • Tony explains “got your six” as military slang for “watching your back” (39:57).
  • Roy and Stugotz riff on generational changes in basic skills:
    “We’re raising a generation of kids who will not know how to tell time.” — Dan Le Batard (41:32)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Pablo Torre’s win:
  “Perhaps no figure in sports media has managed to thread the needle of performing legitimate journalism while also adapting and embracing the reality of today’s industry as deftly as Torre has.” — Dan Le Batard (03:10)

• Dianna on NFL ponchos/capes:
  “Some coaches don’t like the appearance of it...Some teams have sleeves in it so it doesn’t look so cape-like.” (06:33)

• Early ESPN career doubts:
  “Let’s just do it. And she did it…I think she turned out all right.” — Dianna on Mina Kimes (08:22)

• Burrow’s competitive streak:
  “He cut the cast off himself. Like…that is how badly he wants to do this. He is a maniac about winning.” — Dianna Russini (13:23)

• NFL facilities humor:
  “Is their facility in New Jersey? I think of everything in New Jersey as being brown.” — Dan Le Batard (19:15) “The Giants’ facility is lovely…the Jets one is unbelievable…Patriots’ [is] okay.” — Dianna Russini (20:19)

• Heisman fallout:
  “You rarely see that kind of behavior, that classlessness on a stage that big.” — Roy (33:31)
  “His entire night was geared around being an asshole.” — Stugotz (37:54)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Pablo Torre's Award & Team Jokes — 03:00–04:10
• Dianna Russini NFL/Insider Chat & “Cape” Talk — 04:35–07:08
• Women in Sports Media, Early ESPN Stories — 07:44–08:47
• Seattle/Rams/NFL Executive & Coach Talk — 08:47–10:44
• Joe Burrow Mental Health & Cincy Facilities — 12:06–13:49, 16:49–19:38
• NFL Facility Stereotypes & Assessments — 19:04–20:39
• Marcus Freeman Coaching Chatter — 24:18–25:37
• Dianna's Christmas, Family Party Talk — 22:22–23:43
• Heisman Ceremony & Pavia Controversy — 30:40–39:57
• Analog Clocks, Military Time, Lost Skills — 41:20–43:42

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Final Thoughts

The show is as much about sports irreverence and community as it is about Xs and Os. Dianna Russini offers both compelling insight into the sport and the sports media world, while the Le Batard crew keeps things energetic and self-depreciating. If you’re looking for conventional sports radio, look elsewhere—but if you crave football analysis that blends expertise with personality, sarcasm, and off-the-wall sidebars, this episode is a perfect snapshot of The Dan Le Batard Show’s enduring appeal.

Transcript

[Diana Rossini]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugotz]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugotz]

I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that.

[Dan Le Batard]

In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys.

[Greg Cote]

I've done it.

[Dan Le Batard]

And now here's the marching man to Nowhere Fat Face and the Habitual Liar.

[Roy]

This episode of the Dan Lebatart show is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings. The Crown is yours.

[Dan Le Batard]

Some stats here for Diana Rossini and by Diana Rossini. The Bills are now 40 this season when they allow 31 or more points. So the rest of the league is 8 and 70. In those circumstances, the Bills are he is tops in the fourth quarter in quarterback quarterback stats of rushing yards, passing yards And EPA in the fourth quarter. He's at the top of the list. No quarterback has been better in the fourth quarter. They're held together by scotch tape. But what they've got at at the quarterback position is crazy. Diana Rossini is going to join us now. But big award here for Pablo Torre. He's been named Sports Media person of the Year by awful announcing. Pablo, they have their annual awards. They write. When it comes to the year that was in sports media, 2025 will be remembered as the year that Pablo Torre found out. Perhaps no figure in sports media has managed to thread the needle of performing legitimate journalism while also adapting and embracing the reality of today's industry as deftly as Tori has. Transparently. Tory was an easy unanimous choice for our annual Sports Media Person of the Year award, which we present to the industry's defining defining figure.

[Roy]

Wow.

[Tony]

Zaz, you comment on that or no anonymous sources on Z?

[Dan Le Batard]

Whatever. Yeah, whatever. What do you mean whatever? What kind? Why is there not enthusiasm for our teammate and colleague? Yeah, cool. Just everyone's bored by this.

[Stugotz]

Nice.

[Tony]

I think, right?

[Dan Le Batard]

What he thinks I I second place. It was unanimous.

[Diana Rossini]

That's what I'm looking for.

[Dan Le Batard]

The new Max Kellerman podcast. It wasn't close. It wasn't. You guys are not very positive about your teammates. No, we're saying it's so like, it's so obvious.

[Tony]

It's like Mendoza Heisman.

[Roy]

Cool. All right.

[Tony]

He be, you know, Pavia by a thousand, two thousand votes. Whatever.

[Greg Cote]

It was all right, cool.

[Roy]

I didn't think Pablo.

[Diana Rossini]

He's my teammate too.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's right. At the Athletic as well. I would have nominated Diana Rossini for Sports Media personality of the Year. I would have put her in the discussion.

[Diana Rossini]

Happy birthday, Danny boy. How you doing?

[Dan Le Batard]

Thank you.

[Greg Cote]

Happy birthday to him.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't care. Good luck. At what age do you guys think that birthdays stop being happy death?

[Mike]

Your age, 57.

[Tony]

Each one of them. You're above the ground. Dan was a good one.

[Dan Le Batard]

Feel like you've asked this about six or seven years in a row.

[Mike]

So about 50?

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm thinking 50 is about the place that I would put it. She's the senior NFL insider for the Athletic and she's the host of the Scoop City podcast. She'll be part of Netflix NFL Christmas Day double header. First game is Cowboys at commander. She'll be in Minnesota covering Lions Vikings for the afternoon game. Have you checked the 11 day forecast? Because I'm guessing that Minnesota is not a place you want to be during Christmas winter.

[Diana Rossini]

Oh, I Don't mind it. It's indoors. So I'm very excited about that. I was actually just texting with someone in Minnesota right before I hopped on. What's the. What's the rough temperature indoors on a game day? And they said a nice 71. 70.

[Dan Le Batard]

But wait, Diana, you got to get over there. Like, I understand that the game is not outdoors, but it's still unpleasant to be in Minnesot, Minnesota, at anywhere outdoors.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah, that's true. Do you remember the super bowl there? I do. That was. That was probably one of the most miserable experiences in terms of dealing with just the logistics of getting from, I don't know, your hotel, which was like a few blocks from where all the action was. I remember Mina Kimes and I just huddling together to try to stay warm. It was so bad. So, yeah, no, I. What I want to do is I want to ask a team for one of those capes. You know how the guys wear the capes?

[Roy]

Yes.

[Diana Rossini]

On the sidelines.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Every time Aaron Rodgers went to the sideline, he would. They put a cape on him. No, it's exactly how you would treat royalty if you. If you had a bunch of peasants on the sidelines just taking care of the king. They. Yeah, they just put a big giant cape on him to stay warm for the six seconds he's on the sidelines.

[Diana Rossini]

So I found out that what it is, it's this big shell poncho that teams that play in like the tropical weather, like, like where you guys are like, they just wear the shell over. But in the cold weather, the cold weather teams, obviously, Green Bay, Buffalo, New England, Pittsburgh last night, what they do is they, they take like the inside of a poncho. It's almost like a quilt, and they button it inside of the shell. Some of them are heated and how about this? Some teams, I don't know, this is that interesting to you, but some teams, their coaches don't like the appearance of it because it makes. Right. Like you're huddled under this big poncho looking thing. So some teams have sleeves in it so it doesn't look so cape like. Like, remember Tom Brady, like snuggling with Danny Amendola years ago in New England, Aaron Rodgers, last night, he wears the big cape, but some guys want the sleeves so they look tougher outside of putting Vaseline all over their exposed skin to deal with with the cold weather.

[Dan Le Batard]

Put it on the poll, please. At lebatard show. Have you ever heard anyone say anything interesting after they start with, I don't know if this to you. She mentioned Mina in Minnesota. Let's get Mina from Minnesota giving us her super bowl analysis from a zipline.

[Diana Rossini]

They have to maintain a pass regime.

[Roy]

You still with us?

[Diana Rossini]

This woman is one of, this woman's, one of the best analysts on television. She's one of the faces of ESPN and only you guys could get her to do that. I remember her telling me she was doing that. And what was that? Had to be over eight years ago now. Right. And I remember we were just starting together at ESPN and I was gonna hop on the show too to do something a little weird. And I remember talking to her in the Mall of America going, should we do this stuff? Is this gonna help us? Like we're women in a male dominated industry. You know, our credibility's on the line every second of the day. And I remember looking at her like, let's just do it. And she did it and she, she, I think she turned out all right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, she was legitimately terrified though. That was, she was conquering a fear. I can't believe that she stayed with the analysis because she was so afraid. But let's, let's talk about this Thursday night game for a second. I think that the most balanced team in the league is Seattle. The ability to stay with the Rams, even though they had that amount of turnovers, I thought a credit to them. But of course, if I'm looking at both those teams, I'm going to take Stafford over Darnold, as is everyone who's listening to this. So no one's going to favor Seattle over the course of the rest of the season over the Rams, correct?

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah. I think that the jury's still out on whether or not Sam Darnold can deal with a high pressure game. No one feels good about him yet because they want to see it. Right? Until we see it now do I think what he's done this year in Seattle has been remarkable and at times there have been people around the league who think he's doing a better job for the Seahawks than he actually did in Minnesota. You know, where they won a bunch of games last year. Look, I think the teams that are running the ball well right now are the teams that are finding victory. And they've done a really good job this year. Seattle of running the ball in terms of what they've done collectively. Right. Seattle just taking a step back and looking at them. I think what John Snyder has done is easily executive of the year type of work. Right. Just from the way they've built this. Moving on from Russell Wilson, which I know feels like, you know, a million years ago, but they had to make that decision. Moving on from Pete Carroll, bringing in Mike McDonald, who has been tremendous, definitely in the running for coach of the year, if he continues to win this season. So, yeah, I think the Seattle Seahawks give the Rams probably the biggest challenge in the nfc, without a doubt.

[Dan Le Batard]

You mentioned Pete Carroll. You think he regrets the decision to go there? Because he's not going to dig his way out of there. They are doomed because they can't fix their quarterback situation.

[Diana Rossini]

It is. It is a tough place to be right now. And, you know, when I. Whenever I watch the Raiders and you see Max Crosby do some, like, something incredible like he always does, all I think about is this man's legacy, right? Like, what is Max Crosby's legacy going to be if he stays with the Raiders? You know, because if he was on a team right now that was in contention and competing, imagine if he was with the Rams, if he was with Seattle, if he was with the Patriots or the Bills. Like, you know, look at Miles Garrett as well. Look, I think for Las Vegas, Tom Brady's had a lot of say over what they've done. And I've seen people. I think Stephen A. Was talking about it yesterday, like, Tom Brady needs to get control over this team and call the shots. Tom Brady's not there. Like, he's physically not in the building, but there's eyes and ears on the ground reporting back to him all the time while he's doing all these different jobs. So it's almost like he's got too many jobs to grab hold of. What Vegas needs, which is what I agree with, from Stephen A's perspective of. Weigh in on what you know and what you. What you think is. Could help this organization, because obviously, the way they've done it hasn't been good. So Pete Carroll. Look, obviously, everyone's looking to see if. Whether or not Mark Davis keeps him, but that's definitely a place where I'm hearing people around the league wonder if he's going to survive this year because they can't get the quarterback position. Right.

[Stugotz]

Diana, what is going on with Joe Burrow?

[Diana Rossini]

Okay, so I think everyone freaked out a bit last week, and rightfully so, because Joe just was very open.

[Mike]

Right.

[Diana Rossini]

I thought that was a very vulnerable moment for him before this last weekend's game where he was essentially just talking about how he's not having any fun. Like, and I think we freak out because you hear that and you go, oh, my God. Oh, my God. Like, is this going to be Andrew Luck, right? Like, or what. What is. Is he dealing with something serious? We obviously don't ever want to make light of it, so I did a little digging on it and just, just talk. First of all, Joe Barrow is very private. We'll begin with that. Like, if you're. No one's calling Joe Burrow and being like, so what's up, man? He barely answers his phone. He barely texts his back. In fact, people I talked to that are close to him shared that they, like, here's why I know Joe Burrow is okay. Ever since he came back from his injury, he's been communicating with people more. When he was recovering from the turf toe surgery, he, he blocked the world out and was just focused on getting back. You know, he had the surgery, his foot was in a cast. He wanted to get back so badly for that Thanksgiving game. He cut the cast off himself. Like, just think about how crazy that is to just not wait for the doctor to do it. You do it yourself because you want to get to rehabbing as quick as possible. And someone that's been around him for years said to me, he's like, he's, he's a serial killer. He, that is how badly he wants to do this. He is a maniac about winning. And so if you ask me what's going on with Joe Burrow, it's. This kid is sick of losing. He's sick of the way he's losing, and now he's annoyed with himself because he's part of the reason why they're not winning.

[Tony]

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[Mike]

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[Greg Cote]

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[Dan Le Batard]

Don LeBatard. You have some hot takes today, Joe. Chestnuts on fire. He calls Connor McDavid overrated before the show.

[Greg Cote]

What the hell was that, Greg?

[Roy]

Yeah, no, I. I love it.

[Mike]

Stugach.

[Roy]

Roy, let me explain it to you. And not that you need, you know, more about hockey.

[Dan Le Batard]

And this is coming from a guy that's watched Conor play six times, right?

[Roy]

If that.

[Stugotz]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.

[Dan Le Batard]

I was mentioning yesterday that because the Bengals have been cheap and a laughing stock the entirety of my lifetime, that I don't think people understand what a dreadful commute it is to just walk into that facility. Just the sadness and the cold of the cheapness of that facility. The place where in football that is as cheap as that, that feels as cold as that if you're losing and going into the locker room is blank.

[Diana Rossini]

I mean, Cleveland. The problem is I went superficial. Like, I was actually thinking about the facility, Right? Like.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, but that's what I'm doing, too.

[Diana Rossini]

I'M like, you're asking me like, who's got a dumpy place?

[Dan Le Batard]

No, I'm saying he's going to work every day and he realizes that he's surrounded by the minor leagues, that the only reason they're not minor league is because he's there.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah, no, no, it's a good point. And I do think that's part of some of his frustrations. He's seeing what other teams are doing, how they're operating, the type of staffs they have, the type of investment they're making into their football teams, and they're simply not doing that in Cincinnati. Now, he hasn't asked for a. He's not hinting at wanting out, from what I understand. But I think this is a mix of all of the things that I already went through and what you just pointed out, because you're right. Like you go through the league and we won't go through every single team. But it's, it's really hard right now because so many teams have done a good job of upgrading. Even if they're losing franchises, they have good facilities. Right. And they're trying to help their players behind the scenes by giving them the best training staff, by giving them the best off season programs to work with. So. So I think we all kind of feel for him.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is what I'm saying, Diana. He's a star. And when he's sitting in their shitty brown whirlpool because they're cheap, he's looking around like, this doesn't feel like stardom to me. This place, this place is amateur. And it's been amateur long before I got there. Well, that's right, Mike. I made the water in the whirlpool.

[Stugotz]

Brown, how many times have you been there?

[Tony]

I don't.

[Diana Rossini]

Have you ever been to the bank, Jeremy? I was thinking the same thing. I'm like, wait, like, has he been there?

[Dan Le Batard]

How did I get it right then? How did I get it right?

[Mike]

Jeremy, I think you're just.

[Diana Rossini]

Sorry, I thought that was Jeremy that said it.

[Mike]

Assumptions on Mike Brown, which are fair, but I don't know how bad their. I've never seen it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, Diane could speak to me.

[Diana Rossini]

How about this, Dan? I'm going to name a team and you tell me what you think their facility would be based on your stereotypes and what you know. Okay, so the New York Giants, I.

[Dan Le Batard]

Mean, is it, is there facility in New Jersey? I think of everything in New Jersey as being Brown.

[Roy]

Yeah.

[Diana Rossini]

Why do you have me on the show? Proud whirlpool.

[Mike]

You Have a very nice tan.

[Dan Le Batard]

Look at her. I've heard her feelings because she's New Jersey proud. Look at her. She's. She's been. She's. I was born in Jersey City.

[Diana Rossini]

Here's the problem. It's. It's all these people who think New Jersey is Snooki. Like, and, and by the way, Snooki's been great for us. She gets such a tough, like, rat. Like, she's been great. She's embraced what we are. She's like, this is who I am. Not a lot of people are like that. Maybe I should be J. Wow.

[Dan Le Batard]

The thing I was saying yesterday is that the football of Sunday, everybody was talking about Bills and Patriots when there were two better teams, I thought playing in Rams and Lions. So Vrabel comes out after the game and says, that was a learning experience. What the hell did they learn?

[Diana Rossini]

By the way, the Giants facility is lovely. The New England Patriots facility is okay. They're just. They're getting a new one.

[Roy]

Top five and bottom five.

[Diana Rossini]

They'd probably be bottom five now because they. They're remodeling. By the way, that doesn't look great for the Giants facility. It's better inside. It's nice. They've got a great.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's like an elementary school.

[Diana Rossini]

The jets one is unbelievable. That. That's a really nice one. Look, I. I think New England has very good self awareness, which is why this entire season, you never heard them saying the way teams like the Broncos, for example, have said, like, we're going to the Super Bowl. What New England has done, I think, has maybe even surprised some of them. I don't think they expect it to be this good so quickly. So when you hear the team, even Stefan Diggs talking about a post game like, this was good for us. Losing is never good. Nobody wants to lose. Right. Especially guys as competitive as that group. But I think it magnifies the mistakes, the errors, and the weaknesses that have been covered up a lot by really good quarterback play. So what do we see against the Bills? We saw a defense that doesn't pressure very well. We saw a quarterback that didn't play very well. We saw the other quarterback come in and play like the mvp. And I think it was a nice reset of, okay, this is where we are not very good, and we need to fix it now if we want to actually make a deep run in the playoffs here. Because so far we've been good. We've won, what, 11 straight? 10 straight. But I think for. For New England, first of all, for Mike Vrabel, he doesn't want to be the lead dog. That's not his personality. He likes being the underdog. Remember that Titans team when they, when they went to the AFC championship game and they knocked out the Patriots and Tom Brady at Gillette? They love being underestimated. So I actually think that's probably what he means. Like, he prefers to be coming from behind.

[Dan Le Batard]

She will be part of Netflix's NFL Christmas Day double Header. How is your husband dealing with the fact that he's throwing the Christmas party and you're not going to be there? Is he equipped to do, do all of this? Is he fine?

[Diana Rossini]

Oh, yeah, he's great. Eagles aren't playing that day, so that's good. It's my family that has the issue with it. They think it's weird. Like, Greg, do you think it's weird that my husband is hosting 25 people on Christmas Day in our home and I'm not here being honest?

[Roy]

Absolutely. Because I would be terrified if it were my situation. I lean so heavily on my wife, lean back to, to do everything, to organize everything, to be the glue of everything, that I would be absolutely.

[Dan Le Batard]

To do everything competently. Because you're a toddler.

[Roy]

Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. So God bless your husband, man. I, I, I, I couldn't do that. No. Couldn't do it.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah.

[Roy]

Sorry. Being honest.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah, No, I, I think it's. Put it this way. My siblings have yet to say, like, this is really nice. Like, please tell Kevin thank you and, you know, we're grateful. Let us know how we can help. No one has said that. I have, like, a sibling group chat that the partners are not on and they're all in there like, or my siblings are like, this is weird. We don't want to come over. You're not there.

[Roy]

It is weird.

[Diana Rossini]

Why are we, why, why is he hosting? And what they don't understand and why I need their help here is I am trying to distract Kevin from the fact that I am not going to be there for Christmas. And we have a family that I am choosing football over that. And my siblings are not, they're not doing their jobs right now. They're exposing me by repeatedly being like, this is strange. Why don't we just go to a restaurant or, you know, one of them hosted so Kevin can do it. I'm not worried about it. I just don't know how this is going to shake out when I get back.

[Dan Le Batard]

Have you caught up on your Marcus Freeman reporting? I know that Mike has been doing a good amount of reporting against. About Marcus Freeman. And I was mentioning yesterday that outside of winning a championship, nothing could have happened better for Marcus Freeman's agent than what did happen to Notre Dame. Because now. Now he doesn't have to prove anything. The next couple of weeks.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah, we'll see. We'll say. I think. I think it's early. I think there's. There's interest. Mike. Mike, I didn't know you were in the. Or is Mike even in today? I don't know if he's in.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's an insider, Diana. He's an outsider.

[Diana Rossini]

So I. Mike, if you want to do this, you got to do it every day. That's. That's. That's the key here. You can't just swoop in. It's got to be the everyday grind, like, right now.

[Mike]

Swoop in?

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah. I'm actually projecting. I am very jealous that you can just swoop in and be like, hey, I got a huge story.

[Greg Cote]

And.

[Diana Rossini]

And you're right. We'll see. I. Look, I think the New York Giants are definitely serious about interviewing him and meeting with him and seeing if he's a true, real candidate for them, as they're putting together their list at the moment. And I think there's gonna be other teams. I think there's gonna be other NFL teams who have their eye and are watching to see how it plays out, teams that even have a coach right now.

[Dan Le Batard]

An early and premature Merry Christmas because I don't think we're gonna see you again before you do that Netflix game. Thank you for the year. It has been delightful. Listen to you. Senior NFL insider for the athletic and the host of the Scoop City podcast. Nice seeing you. Thank you for putting on that birthday hat for me as well. I do appreciate it.

[Diana Rossini]

Happy birthday. If there's one thing that I would love to give you, we've talked about Mikey and Joey on the show a lot. For your birthday, I would like to hand them over to you for a weekend. I think it'd be good for you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, I would.

[Mike]

To who?

[Roy]

To Dan.

[Mike]

To Dan.

[Roy]

It would be good for Dan.

[Dan Le Batard]

Good with kids. He, like, picks them up and, like.

[Stugotz]

Puts them upside down.

[Mike]

Be honest.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm good with kids. I'm good at renting, not owning. I give them back. I give them back. Thank you.

[Diana Rossini]

Outside.

[Dan Le Batard]

Thank you, Diana. I appreciate it. We appreciate it. I would say.

[Mike]

Can I admit something? I was trying to feed Diana. Diana. That Marcus Freeman story a week early to totally derailed Notre Dame's college football playoff chances. No. Sick out. This is Another thing that the committee has to take into account.

[Dan Le Batard]

Did she ignore you?

[Mike]

Because no, she just had to do her own reporting. That's how. And she did. And a week later the Marcus Freeman thing happened and thankfully Notre Dame didn't make the cfp. But that was absolutely me trying to sabotage Notre Dame's chances because I could say something and it doesn't really carry the weight. It does with Diana. She's reputable, even though I broke a lot of stories in my day.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, she just said you can't swoop in and out.

[Mike]

That's my thing.

[Dan Le Batard]

You actually rebutted what she was saying by saying, but I can't. Can I have.

[Mike]

That's kind of my whole deal.

[Dan Le Batard]

I do. I just sweep in and out as an insider and then get out and don't actually have to do the daily grunt work.

[Tony]

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[Greg Cote]

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[Tony]

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[Greg Cote]

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[Mike]

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[Stugotz]

Don LeBatard are you on the fan right now?

[Diana Rossini]

Did Mike Greenberg call you yet? Are you ever gonna go back to espn? People think it's so weird you're a writer now. All those years on tv, all those years and now you write. Who reads that?

[Mike]

Stugarts.

[Diana Rossini]

Why did he take a job at the Atlantic? Mom, I work at the Athletic. Why you on YouTube, this is the.

[Stugotz]

Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.

[Dan Le Batard]

I wanted to circle back around on what happened at the Heisman around the Heisman weekend because among the greatest controversies it's silly to think about now, but among the greatest controversies that I've seen that are Heisman related around the ceremony is that one year Randy Moss showed up at the Heisman ceremony and dared to wear sunglasses indoors. This is a stuffy downtown athletic club. Everything around what they do there is from a different time.

[Mike]

That's also from a different time. They have you seen the stage? The production value on this thing's incredible. Looks like it's Star wars now.

[Dan Le Batard]

It is a great. It is a great. Well, I drove by the downtown athletic club. It's an old, musty thing. It's been modernized. Yes, but the ceremony itself, the idea of Saturday night TV show to name at a banquet type proceeding, the best player in what used to be amateurism, it doesn't come with a great many controversies, but it is stuffier when it comes to sort of how we represent sportsmen than most of the sports institutions we have remaining. To see Diego Pavia behave that way around that weekend was a punkishness that you just don't see around what it is that that thing is supposed to be. It's not just what he said about the voters. It's not just that he was at a nightclub rolling with his friends and saying, bleep the voters.

[Mike]

The last time the Heisman was handed out at the Downtown athletic club was 25 years ago ago.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh. So I got, I drove past the Downtown Athletic Club and Ricky was there. And so I assume that that's where it was. Where is.

[Mike]

Maybe that's where it's housed. But like the ceremony, like for television. Been two and a half decades since they've done that on tv.

[Dan Le Batard]

Did you guys know that? I didn't know that.

[Mike]

I think it initially changed. Might have been like around 9, 11, and then they just found a better place.

[Roy]

Yeah. When you said the downtown Athletic Club, it's a fairly small.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes. It's tiny.

[Tony]

Yes.

[Roy]

And so I was thinking to myself, do they still do it there? Like, that didn't sound right to me.

[Mike]

Speaking to the Mike.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's not right.

[Roy]

But I didn't know it had been 25 years.

[Dan Le Batard]

Speaking of 25 years, I just saw on the television here, parenthetically they put on the scroll, they said, dolphins eliminated from the playoffs. And then in the parentheses, and these parentheses hurt. Haven't won a playoff game since 2000. Yeah, unnecessary.

[Roy]

Longest streak in the NFL.

[Stugotz]

Mark Smith gave.

[Greg Cote]

I was there.

[Dan Le Batard]

I was there. The way Pavia behaved around the weekend, that he has since apologized for saying that, you know, look, look at what he's saying.

[Stugotz]

Apologize for. He wrote a book.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, he did, but he, he apologized for wanting to win everything coming in second place and then being a poor sport. You, you hammered him pretty good yesterday.

[Roy]

Well, his. First of all, his agent did a good job writing that forum. Classless, clueless. Somebody before knowing his personality, somebody beforehand. His coach, his agent, his parent should have said to him, tone it down, okay? Tone it down. Be classy. Don't be, don't be the person that you've been off the field and even on the field. Don't be that guy. Be a little bit different right now because everybody's watching you and he just embarrassed himself in his school. I just, you rarely see that kind of behavior, that classlessness on a stage that big.

[Mike]

I think he might have gotten support if it just ended at bleep the voters, people could just kind of say, I guess that's Diego Pavia. And the media is not very well liked. Even though those voters did make you a Heisman runner up, it is an honor to go to that ceremony that it's a whole week dedicated to you. It's a really cool thing. You're surrounded by some of the all time greats. Some people would be grateful for that. But then to go to the club and have a bottle sign come out that says BLEEP Indiana and take what seems like a personal shot at Mendoza that way is also really poor form. Again, you're with these guys for several days doing media together and then Mendoza beats you out and your very first reaction is bleep that guy. That. That's not cool. And when you juxtapose that with how classy Mendoza came off in his speech, it just solidifies to every voter that took part in that process. Like, I guess we made the right.

[Roy]

Call there and wasn't there anybody in his circle telling him no, clearly, no.

[Mike]

Don'T put up the ovan.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, don't put upon to your.

[Stugotz]

Point, dad, they clearly got to him.

[Dan Le Batard]

He put out that statement like they got to him eventually after the fact. Let me read the statement here and see if we bring in professional sincerity questioner Zaslo and to have an opinion on what he wrote on X. Being a part of the Heisman ceremony last night as a finalist was such an honor. As a competitor, just like in everything I do, I wanted to win. To be so close to my dream and come up short was painful. I didn't handle those emotions well at all and did not represent myself the way I wanted to. I have much love and respect for the Heisman voters and the selection process and I apologize for being disrespectful. It was a mistake and I'm sorry. Fernando Mendoza is an elite competitor and a deserving winner of the award. I have nothing but respect for his accomplishments as well as the success that Jeremiah and Julian had this season. I've been doubted my whole life. Every step of my journey, I've had to break down doors and fight for myself because I've learned that nothing would be handed to me. My family has always been in my corner and my teammates, coaches and staff have my six.

[Roy]

That's his back yeah, there's no question.

[Dan Le Batard]

Mark there for the audio listeners. Okay.

[Tony]

You never heard have my six, Dan?

[Dan Le Batard]

No, I have not heard that.

[Tony]

You never heard, you got my six dicks?

[Mike]

It's all right. Just keep it moving.

[Roy]

What does that mean?

[Dan Le Batard]

I love them. I am grateful for them, and I wouldn't want anything to distract from that. I'm actually distracted by the last two words in this statement. I look forward to competing in front of my family and with my team one more time in the Relia Quest Bowl.

[Mike]

Military term. Yeah. Watch your back.

[Dan Le Batard]

How about that? Playing in the bowl, huh?

[Roy]

Watch your back.

[Mike]

Just remember. Yeah. Remember what Travis Hunter's girlfriend got during the last Heisman ceremony? She wasn't a finalist. She wasn't a Heisman runner up. Keep the same energy because it was pretty embarrassing behavior. And that statement kind of lends itself to him kind of feeling it a little bit because it was an embarrassing way to go about it.

[Roy]

Yeah, he's doing some. Some making up now and some repairing of. Of the bridges he's burning and all, but he's forever gonna be the guy who put the ass in class. Like, you can't say what he says and do what he said and then just say, oh, no, I didn't mean it. I'm sorry. What a deserving winner. Nope, too late.

[Stugotz]

Well, see, that. That's the part. That's the part that I want to come in because I don't buy the whole, you know, that wasn't me. That's not the kind of person I am. Like that. That was the. That was what Dan just read. And that's bullshit because his entire night, like, it wasn't a moment of, oh, I shouldn't have said that. I shouldn't. Like, like, for instance, Bajan Robinson, remember on Thursday night, he was on the set with the. The prime game, and he said, you know, the. You know, tackle the. You know, the bad word.

[Dan Le Batard]

And.

[Stugotz]

And people got offended. It's like. That's a moment where it's like, I shouldn't have said. That was kind of stupid. You know, that's not who I am. Okay? Diego Pavia spent the entire night showing everyone, no, this is. This is what I am. This is what I do. His entire night was geared around being an asshole.

[Dan Le Batard]

Put it on the poll. Did Diego Pavia, as Cody alleged, forever put the ass in class? I'm curious about this. If Indiana had simply lost to Ohio State by three points, is Pavia the Heisman Trophy winner?

[Mike]

I'd suggest it. That went in the Big Ten greatly helped his odds. I think he was -130 headed into that. And by the end of the game he was minus 1000.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, it felt like that game was for the Heisman.

[Mike]

Yep.

[Stugotz]

Those Mendoza are saying that's.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's pretty interesting though when you think about the fact that while the quarterback did sort of win that game, it wasn't exactly offense that won that game. So it's basically we're giving the trophy. Hey, your team went undefeated. We can't explain it. Here you have it. And he was. And he had 22 touchdowns and zero interceptions in the red zone.

[Mike]

So I mean all the great arguments. Even though Pavia was more dynamic offensively and that team depended more on him. Look, Indiana was in the playoff last year, but I know it's impressive to say, look what he did with Vanderbilt. I know like I said, they made the CFP last year, but Mendoza did this with Indiana. Mendoza won. He won the Big Ten, number one.

[Stugotz]

Team in the country.

[Mike]

They're undefeated. He won at Eugene. And he had moments on television with Gus Johnson having an aneurysm on the air.

[Stugotz]

Terrible call.

[Tony]

When I bull you.

[Dan Le Batard]

He had.

[Mike]

He had moments. Pavia, it was more like a season long thing in accumulation. Like he didn't have these signature moments. Like his best wins against Mizzou. And LSU was ranked at the time. But like Tennessee and Mizzou, we already booked a bunch of holes in their resumes they didn't beat combined a team over.500 in the FBS.

[Dan Le Batard]

I do.

[Mike]

Or a team with a win over a 500 team in the FBS.

[Tony]

Dan, you never heard the six, huh? You never heard it? Got my six. So in military terms, you think about your body as the clock, right? So you're looking ahead. That's 12 o'. Clock.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Tony]

1 o', clock, 2 o', clock, 3 o'. Clock. Right. Directly, you know, next to you, 6, behind you, 9 to the left and then 11 o'. Clock. So that's why when you're looking at something, hey, 11 o' clock over here. Took a look and then you look at 11 o'.

[Dan Le Batard]

Clock.

[Tony]

Bam.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's right there.

[Tony]

Like I'm looking at Roy. 11 o' clock for me.

[Dan Le Batard]

Put it on the poll at Levitard show. Have you ever heard of the back being referred to as your 6? Just always hated when people say that.

[Roy]

Oh, I gotta.

[Dan Le Batard]

You see that person over here? 12.

[Stugotz]

Like I know 12 o'.

[Mike]

Clock.

[Dan Le Batard]

What person? 12 o' clock.

[Stugotz]

So is easy.

[Dan Le Batard]

But after that it's like get out of Here with that.

[Mike]

You don't know the clock.

[Roy]

Don't tell me.

[Mike]

230.

[Roy]

Okay.

[Stugotz]

No one says there's someone out. My two third people have said it to me.

[Roy]

Yeah, they do that.

[Tony]

Yeah, yeah.

[Roy]

When there's a horizon involved in particular, like your father. If you're out on a boat and I say, look at that guy.

[Dan Le Batard]

No one does. Thirteen, look, there's a trout at my 537.

[Mike]

Zero interest in the microphone today.

[Roy]

For whatever reason, I'm eating the microphone.

[Mike]

You are?

[Roy]

Who are you talking about?

[Dan Le Batard]

There are a number of things that as I celebrate aging today, number of things that I've brought brought up here as things that are going to disappear or have disappeared. Cash is something that is disappearing. People are using cards more. I would say. Cursive handwriting is gone.

[Stugotz]

Pointless.

[Dan Le Batard]

But the ability to tell time is that now gone. Torched down to look at a clock. A young person looking at a clock.

[Stugotz]

Really.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's always digital now. Correct. We are raising a generation of kids who will not know. Know how to tell time. My daughter has an old fashioned clock in her. So they. My daughter's teacher is teaching them the old fashioned way.

[Roy]

Great.

[Greg Cote]

Yeah. Claire's teacher is also teaching like they have the analog clock on a worksheet and that's how they figure out how.

[Dan Le Batard]

But that's gonna be like cursive was.

[Tony]

For like me at my age where.

[Dan Le Batard]

It'S like I learned it in the third grade.

[Tony]

Right.

[Roy]

They're not gonna use it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. By. By like sixth or seventh grade. It was done like once you get.

[Tony]

To middle school and they're no longer.

[Mike]

Teaching you how to read that like.

[Tony]

You will never have to use it ever again.

[Stugotz]

Dan, you know about that military time.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, we were just.

[Tony]

No, that's a different clock. Military time is a totally different military time.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes, I know military time. What does it have to do with what we're talking?

[Tony]

Military time is tough. Not going to lie.

[Roy]

What is military time, Dan?

[Dan Le Batard]

It's 1200 hours. 1300 hours, 1400 hours. It's. It's what?

[Stugotz]

1623 is what time.

[Dan Le Batard]

One o' clock is 1300 hours.

[Stugotz]

1623 is what time.

[Dan Le Batard]

1:00Pm 1623 is 4:23pm okay.

[Diana Rossini]

This guy could do.

[Dan Le Batard]

We'll take a quiz. A couple people.

[Stugotz]

I know he did the move where like he said it. He said it out loud so we could have more time to think. Yeah, that's a move.

[Roy]

And with a board sound. Come on. I know.

[Dan Le Batard]

423.

[Roy]

He didn't know he did.

[Dan Le Batard]

He Said it.

[Roy]

I hear somebody fed him the info. Come, come on, we all know it.

[Dan Le Batard]

You got Lewis doing math back there?

[Roy]

I think so.

[Mike]

Wow.

[Dan Le Batard]

Shot at Lewis there. Do you have shot at Lewis? Sparkles on your face. Where did you get sparkles on your face from? You have under lip some sparkles.

[Stugotz]

I know where you can get sparkles.

[Roy]

Where did that happen?

[Dan Le Batard]

I gotta do that to my man. So you guys are telling me that kids today, if I put a clock in front of them, the majority of kids will or won't know. If I go under 10 years old and I put, put a clock in a nine year old kid and I put a clock in front of a nine year old kid, the majority do or don't know how to tell time on something that's not a digital clock. Put it on the poll, please. Juju at lebatard show. Average 9 year old kid can or can't tell time without the help of a digital aid.

[Stugotz]

2008 is what time?

[Dan Le Batard]

It's 8:08pm okay, we're gonna keep doing this. You're gonna keep questioning me on 2009. You stumped me on that one. That one. That one's too hard. Can you explain whether you have any shame whatsoever about the fact that everyone has to keep telling you to talk into the microphone as a professional broadcaster?

[Roy]

You know what? I'm a casual man, Dan. I'm a casual man. You know when in my real life when I'm speaking to somebody, I'm not used to like leaning in and emphasizing my point. Point. I'm a laid back. I'm going like this, you know. Well, what do you think? I'm having a car on a show. I'm having a conversation here. Okay. I'm welcoming the listeners into my circle.

[Tony]

You can lean back and then just take the mic with you.

[Roy]

I know, but like you can hear me right now.

[Mike]

Not really.

[Dan Le Batard]

Much less quality.

[Roy]

How about right now? That kind of thing. Okay. Yes. There you go.

[Mike]

What?

[Roy]

Okay.

[Mike]

Keep a uniform level for your listeners.

[Roy]

Okay? I'm wearing a uniform.

[Dan Le Batard]

Craig, they fed you a line. You're not supposed to say yes and then not give us the line. Like somebody good point.