The Big Suey: Zaslow Overthinks His Own Voice

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Episode Overview

Podcast: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Episode: The Big Suey: Zaslow Overthinks His Own Voice
Date: March 2, 2026

Broadcasting from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and their ensemble tackle the latest NBA coaching debates, player health mysteries, media narratives, the collision of sports and culture, and the rise of AI in entertainment. This episode’s signature blend of insight, irreverence, and South Florida flavor is on full display, with recurring sidebars on accents, sports politics, and the show's own running jokes about each other's delivery.

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NBA Coaching, Player Development & Star Politics

Steve Kerr, Player Development, and ‘High Ceiling’ Talent (03:00–08:00)

• The crew debates Steve Kerr's record (and limitations) with player development for the Warriors, specifically referencing Jonathan Kuminga and other lottery picks (e.g., Moses Moody, James Wiseman).
• Dan Le Batard notes the difficulty young players face breaking into established, championship veteran teams and where coaching trust comes in.

  "When that champion is established, it’s going to be really hard for a young person to break in there." (Dan, 02:08)

• Juju: "He’s really, really good with high end, top talent that are veterans... but what did he do with Moses Moody? What did he do with James Wiseman? What has he done with Jonathan Kuminga?" (04:18)
• Paulie: jokes that having Steph, Draymond, and Durant guarantees success—“Put me in the head coaching position... I’m gonna get you that chip, man.” (05:07)

Comparisons to Heat Culture and Spurs Dynasty (05:14–05:40)

• Dan discusses Miami's lack of front office turnover relative to San Antonio and Golden State, noting the rare continuity and questioning accountability.

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Mysterious Injuries & Coach-Speak: Porzingis and “POTS” (07:05–11:23)

• Discussion on Kristaps Porzingis' ongoing absence, confusion over his “general illness”, and Steve Kerr’s radio comments. The group tries to decode “POTS” (“Postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome”), debating whether it’s a legitimate diagnosis or PR obfuscation:

  "He said it wasn’t that, and now everyone’s running away and just calling it general illness. And I don’t know that we’ve seen this kind of confusion around somebody." (Stugotz, 07:59)

• Juju suggests HIPAA regulations as reason for the vagueness, with Dan emphasizing coaches often overshare before realizing privacy laws.
• Parallels are drawn to famous “mystery absences” (e.g., Kawhi Leonard, Chris Bosh, Magic Johnson).

  “This one is a little bit of a mystery... This reminds me most of the Kawhi thing in that I don’t know what’s wrong.” (Dan, 11:13)

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Draymond, Media Narratives & Zaslow’s Voice (12:33–18:08)

Draymond Green, Luka Trades, and Media Contradictions (12:33–18:08)

• Draymond Green’s recent commentary sparks a roundtable on how the media flip-flops about NBA trades and executives, specifically the narrative about Mavs GM Nico Harrison and the Luka Doncic trade.

  "I haven’t seen one person come out and say, hey, Nico, I’m sorry...I just said the same thing out of my mouth." (Zaslow quoting Draymond, 13:02)

• The group riffs on Draymond’s speech patterns and accents, asking why he always seems “struggling with that.”

  "You swallow the L, the L disappears...It becomes Strogan. He knows what he did." (Stugotz, 17:19)

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The AI and Hollywood Section (19:06–24:04)

Hollywood’s Decline and Rise of AI (19:06–21:51)

• Stugotz observes Netflix’s dominance in Los Angeles and impending displacement of actors by AI.

  "You’ve got so many actors there who are going to be out of work, replaced by robots soon. And they know it." (Stugotz, 20:06)

Interview with “Sprout” the Robot (21:51–23:55)

• The crew plays and reacts to an NBC segment featuring Sprout, a toddler-sized AI robot:

  "I can definitely think for myself within the boundaries of my programming and what I’ve learned from interactions. So each conversation helps shape how I respond." (Sprout, 22:48)

• Everyone switches between skepticism, amusement, and existential dread:

  "This is exactly how the movie starts every time, no matter what." (Paulie, 23:04) "We’re all out of jobs." (Dan, 23:24)

• Mike Ryan: “Robots going to say things that I say... Robots go think the way I think.”

• Dan: “I think you’re overthinking your own voice at this point.” (23:55)

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NBA Players, Rules, and Superstar Dynamics (24:07–33:20)

Paul George, Kawhi Leonard, and Team Rules (24:07–27:55)

• Old clip resurfaces of Paul George describing special treatment for Kawhi Leonard, who refused to run for airballing in practice:

  "Kawhi airballs, right? ... Like, I’m not running. And B. Shaw, like, nobody’s above the law." (Zaslow as Paul George, 25:58)

• The crew debates if Kawhi was right or just being a “dick,” with Mike Ryan and Stugotz split.

  "You could be right and a dick." (Mike Ryan, 27:58)

Kawhi’s Legacy and All-Star Player Motivation (30:10–34:34)

• Discussion on Kawhi’s enigmatic career, his unconventional approach, and how it will be remembered—“the most positive way I can frame it... at best, a mystery.” (Dan, 32:07)
• Juju brings up low All-Star votes and media-fueled narratives.
• Paulie compares public memory of Kawhi to negative fixations on politicians—“he gonna be the brother we remember for not planting trees, man, because the scandal stick.” (33:07)

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Fixing the NBA All-Star Weekend: Prize Money & Player Incentives (34:14–38:08)

• Suns owner Ishbia suggests $1 million prizes for dunk and three-point contests to motivate stars; the cast analyzes if this is a smart move or a dystopian measure to incentivize already-wealthy players:

  "I thought as soon as I heard it, wow, that’s really smart. Wow, that’s dystopian..." (Stugotz, 34:14)

• Debate over prize money being “salary cap circumvention” and whether players would actually care more.
• Stugotz links this thinking to Pat McAfee, whose show Ishbia was on when the suggestion was made. Mike Ryan notes, “People love watching other people compete for big sums of money. That’s worked for Pat.” (39:18)

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Politics, Sports, and National Optics (40:28–43:07)

• Miami’s soccer team, Inter Miami (with Messi and Beckham), scheduled to visit the White House prompts a critique of sports teams normalizing politicians, especially in wartime:

  "You’re normalizing something that flatly isn’t normal, and you need to stop being used." (Dan, 43:00)

• Trump’s recurring efforts to “fix college football” with star athletes and sports figures (e.g., Tim Tebow, Nick Saban) are lampooned as political theater.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Dan Le Batard (About NBA player health mysteries): "This one reminds me most of the Kawhi thing in that I don’t know what’s wrong." (11:13)
• Stugotz (On Draymond Green's rationale): "You could be right and a dick." (27:58)
• Paulie (About AI robots): "This is exactly how the movie starts every time, no matter what. Look at them. They’re so nice." (23:04)
• Juju (About NBA All-Star motivation): "He gonna be the brother we remember for not planting trees, man, because the scandal stick." (33:07)
• Dan Le Batard (On sports and politics): "You’re normalizing something that flatly isn’t normal..." (43:00)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• NBA Coaching/Player Development: 03:00–08:00
• Porzingis Health & ‘POTS’ Mystery: 07:05–11:23
• Media/GM Narratives, Zaslow’s Voice: 12:33–18:08
• Hollywood, AI, and Sprout Interview: 19:06–24:04
• Kawhi, Paul George, Superstar Privilege: 24:07–27:55
• Kawhi’s Legacy, All-Star Incentives: 30:10–34:34
• Million-Dollar Dunk Debate: 34:14–38:08
• Sports and Political Optics (White House/Trump): 40:28–43:07

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Tone and Style

The episode maintains the show’s trademark mix of high-level sports debate, culture commentary, and self-aware comedy. Panelists roast each other’s voices and opinions, spar about the blurry boundaries between media and players, and oscillate freely between irreverent jokes and weightier issues about labor, privacy, and the economic future of sports and entertainment.

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Transcript

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[Stugotz]

Welcome to the Big Suey presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBatard podcast?

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm sorry.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm not gonna apologize for that.

[Stugotz]

In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys?

[Dan Le Batard]

I've done it.

[Mike Ryan]

And now here's the marching man to

[Stugotz]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Stugotz]

I think that we can agree that Steve Kerr is somebody who is exceptional at his job. Even though Steve Kerr, before getting that job had no experience whatsoever to tell us that. Like, I'm not even saying that he had experience that would disprove that he had no experience. He was hired as a head coach who didn't have experience, could have chosen between the Knicks and the Warriors. Derek Fisher took the Knicks, never worked again. Head coaching Steve Kerr ends up being multi time champion. When Tristan Juju mentioned Jonathan Kamingo Okay. And I see what's happening there. This is always confusing because I've heard so many athletes over the years say, ah, politics. That's the only reason that I didn't get my opportunity. I was a star, I could have been a star. I just didn't get a chance. You have so few jobs in that sport and when that champion is established, it's going to be really hard for a young person to break in there. What do you make of the fact? Is Steve Kerr wrong? Is Steve Kerr wrong about Jonathan Kamingo? Or is it just that I could give any number of people in that sport the ball, showcase them and all the offenses are going to get to 110 points. So if I'm giving the ball to the one guy and saying, well, you're a majestic talent, then he's going to be great. But the team's going to be, you know, not a champion, not, not as good as Steve Kerr's team has been.

[Mike Ryan]

So I feel like that's something we could say about someone like Cam Johnson. What he's done. Cam Thomas, I get them confused with the Nets. It was just traded, I know, or

[Stugotz]

by the Nets, but clearly a good offensive player by the Nets in a way that made a mean shock that he was wa. By the Nets because everyone knows he's a great offensive player.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, Cam Thomas. I feel like that's something we could say about a guy like Cam Thomas. You know, somebody's going to be a looter and a riot on a bad team and, you know, maybe that's Cam Thomas. We'll find out. Jonathan Kaminga was the seventh overall pick in the draft like Jonathan Kaminga is expect when you're selected seventh overall, you're expected to be a guy who's going to be a really good player. And I hear this narrative coming out of Golden State. You know, people who are around the team where it's like, ah, you know, coming. He was never going to work, you know, in this Golden State offense. He was never going to work on Steph's team. You know, I'm sorry, maybe he's not going to be the guy that's scoring 22 points a game so far in his three, four games with the Hawks. But he's riding 17 consecutive did not play coaches decisions. Get the hell out of here.

[Juju]

Yeah, I think that's a fair indictment. And you talk about spo. I think that there are things that you can look at within Steve Kerr and say that that is a cautionary tale as well. If the warriors fans, they're not saying that Steve Kerr is the best coach or that he doesn't have warts, right? And you look at him as a developer, he's really, really good with high end, top talent that are veterans that he came in like Steph Curry. But what did he do with Moses Moody? What did he do with James Wiseman? What has he done with Jonathan Kaminga? Pods is the only one that's kind of like had some good moments. And even he, I think is a player that you could say maybe should be develop. I think honestly that's probably the biggest problem that the warriors have had is developing talent. And I think that falls squarely on Steve Kerr.

[Paulie]

Right, right on Steve Kerr. And as I mentioned last week, put me in the head coaching position with Steph Curry, Draymond Green and Kevin Durant. I'm gonna get you that chip, man.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is the, this is the accountability that should be around the Miami Heat franchise. You say the warriors and look, I, I know with Pop there was some health, but R.C. buford also constructed it. You had Bob Myers, you had R.C. buford, guys that had overwhelming success at those franchise their ends and realized that it was time to go with Miami, they haven't had that level of success or consistency and yet the key players remain.

[Stugotz]

Juju says what he says about winning a championship, but Mark Jackson with all of that didn't get out of the second round and those players did grow into that. And the indictment that you're making of Steve Kerr is one we made for years of Pat Riley who was throwing the bad back of Dan Marley out there, cuz he only trusted veterans. And of course what Steve Kerr has learned when he's never had a job like that before is when I trust my old guys, my old guys come through for me and those are the guys I'm gonna trust. But I want to cover something that's happening with Steve Kerr that is wildly confusing to me and has been for years. I don't know what's going on with Porzingis. I don't feel like many people know, even though the Internet is rife with rumors on this subject. But that was legitimately. You guys every year are telling me that there's going to be something at the trade deadline that happens and it's always George Hill as the final piece, not winning the championship for anybody. But Porzingis was a final piece for a champion. And since then, wildly confusing general illness. Steve Kerr said something on the radio the other day that he talked to Atlanta's GM and that it was Potts. And then he ran back away from that saying, look, I'm wildly unqualified to talk about any of this.

[Mike Ryan]

What is pots?

[Stugotz]

It's an acronym and I don't know what the acronym is for it, but thank you for asking me a question that I have no idea how to answer. Yeah, Steve Kerr doesn't know what it is and he's got, I mean, locker room.

[Dan Le Batard]

I appreciate that.

[Stugotz]

To me. In fact, you know what? I'm going to kick him out. No, no, no, no.

[Dan Le Batard]

He asked a question that we should be asking.

[Stugotz]

That's fine.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't know what it is either.

[Stugotz]

You could ask it privately instead of just doing that.

[Dan Le Batard]

Why? Why?

[Stugotz]

I wish the moment.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let's acknowledge we don't know what it is. E up. Let's be human. Let's not try to be perfect.

[Stugotz]

We're going to do that while he sits in the other room for two minutes.

[Paulie]

Dictator.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's just asking the question. God bless him for doing so.

[Stugotz]

No, God curse him for doing so. Be out there for two minutes by yourself, ruminating on not helping me do the show by asking me a question that I don't have the answer.

[Juju]

Postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome. I think that's heart related.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, it is.

[Stugotz]

But it's also not that. According to Steve Kerr. He said it. He said it wasn't that. And then everyone's running away and just call calling it general illness. And I don't know that we've seen this kind of confusion around somebody. Where was he drafted? Because he was also when he talks about Kaminga being a number seven pick, Porzingis was drafted high enough that he was expected to be a game changing type of player for a good amount of time. And the illness is just super confusing that that they're just filing it under general illness and no one can talk about it comfortably or informed.

[Juju]

But even Porzingis said that he had pots. There's an athletic article about it and he acknowledged it. So I'm not really sure. I think Steve Kerr is trying to avoid a HIPAA violation.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, I think that that's what it is. That I think it is that. And Steve Kerr said too much and realized it's probably not his business to be saying that and that's why he walked it back. It was more procedural than whether or not it had anything to do with the truth.

[Stugotz]

Okay. But as it relates to HIPAA violations, just so that we're clear on what the Kerr quotes were, what Kerr said wasn't it is that Porzingis said it was that and then Kerr said it's not that. And now they're filing it under general illness as the coach realizes, yes, you're right. You can't be talking about somebody's health, but you certainly can't be saying that what this person has diagnosed it as is wrong, that he's. He's giving us bad information. What Kerr has thrown into the information stream for me is that Kerr knows something that I don't know, but didn't know not to say it, because why would Kerr say it's not that unless he didn't think it was that? There's no reason to say that unless you feel like it's not that. And now it just leads to more questions when again they're filing this has been now three years of Porzingis can't play any meaningful games or meaningful minutes while they talk about general illness, which is not something I've ever heard of. Sidelining a player for three years, like, that's not. You give me all the precedents you guys have for an important top five pick. Being someone who just can't play during something that's close to his prime. Like, I don't. Is he. He's 30 by now, right? Like, he's.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think he's probably past it, but again, I haven't seen him with. On the floor with consistency. And also we can't eliminate the fact that he was traded from Boston and was with a franchise that wasn't actively trying trying to win. So I think this is part of acquiring Porzingis and not really knowing what the deal or the sensitivities there are. And Kurt just probably said too much and tried to walk all of it back. But I think the last time we were here with a name that we recognized in that league and a guy that contribute is Kawhi, where we didn't really know what was going on, where there was a mystery around his health. There have been health issues in the league before that prevented guys from playing Chris Bosh, even dating way back to Magic Johnson. This one is a little bit of a mystery. And if you go down the Internet, there's all sorts of irresponsible wormholes that you can go down when it comes with this one. But I think this one reminds me most of the Kawhi thing in that I don't know what's wrong.

[Stugotz]

The Kauai one was slightly different, though, because I had a pretty good idea it was his knee. Like, it wasn't a general illness. I knew that it was his body and that he was having some issues with doctors.

[Mike Ryan]

We get to the bottom of that pots mystery yet?

[Stugotz]

Yeah, we did. Thank you. We answered that while you were in the purgatory over there. Let's get to Draymond Green here, though, speaking of the warriors, because Draymond Green, as it relates to what's happening right now to Luka with the Lakers and some of the stuff I'm talking about with there's one basketball and five guys are allowed to play at the same time, and when Luka and LeBron play together, somebody's numbers are going to suffer. Somebody's not going to be quite the same player as Luka is in Dallas, even if he's fat, if he's getting the entirety of the usage rate. So now Draymond is coming out here and saying, because the Lakers are truly terrible at defense, and you almost can't be good at defense if Luka can be picked on because Luka is not a good defensive player. Here's Draymond Green saying something I don't hear anyone saying, which is, was Nico Harrison? Right?

[Zaslow]

But now when I turn on the tv, all I see is everybody in the media who crushed Nico Harrison, who essentially aided in him getting fired, regurgitating the same things that Nico Harrison was saying. And I struggle with that because I haven't seen one person come out and say, hey, Nico, I'm sorry for the things I said about you when you made that move, because I just said the same thing out of my mouth.

[Stugotz]

I struggle with that a bit.

[Zaslow]

Again, this has nothing to do with Luka Doncic and everything to do with the media and Nico Harrison. Nico gave his reasonings as the general manager of a team of why he

[Stugotz]

thought that was the right move.

[Zaslow]

And everybody said, you're an idiot. You should be fired. Worst general manager in NBA history. And now all of you people are saying the same thing, but no one has said, maybe Nico was right.

[Mike Ryan]

What does that mean when he says that he's struggling with that? Like, will Draymond just be chilling to be like, what's up, Draymond? Yo, I'm struggling with that.

[Stugotz]

Why are you laughing? Is it because he says that with a bunch of marbles in his mouth? Like, you're. You're laughing because you can't understand half of what he's saying? Because, yeah, he's like.

[Juju]

I think that's like, is that your aave? That's your Ebonic slur?

[Stugotz]

Why do you say it like that.

[Juju]

Why you say it like that?

[Stugotz]

I don't know what you're talking about. I think he says it like that when he's most arrogant. This is so borderline he's being when he's feeling really good about himself. Me, I think you put extra marbles, please. Extra marbles Again. I need that to be my voice, not your voice.

[Zaslow]

Sometimes.

[Stugotz]

No, you don't sound.

[Paulie]

You sound like a gemstone, bruh.

[Stugotz]

Last week was great when you weren't talking back to me.

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[Zaslow]

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[Stugotz]

Don Levatar, what is the worst part of the life?

[Dan Le Batard]

Stugats.

[Stugotz]

The worst part of the life of what?

[Paulie]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stug.

[Mike Ryan]

I just don't understand. Struggle. Why is he struggling?

[Stugotz]

He's struggling with the fact that the media is criticizing you changed the way

[Dan Le Batard]

it sounded there a little bit.

[Stugotz]

You should seize on that one.

[Mike Ryan]

But he's struggling. How's he struggling?

[Stugotz]

I don't understand.

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[Juju]

That's what we wanted. Struggling.

[Zaslow]

Look, now Zaz is speaking the Kings.

[Mike Ryan]

There was no difference in the way I said it. There is.

[Stugotz]

There is a difference. You swallow the L, the L disappears. It becomes Strogan. He knows what he did.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't know what I did.

[Stugotz]

It's when he gets most confident that he just. He rolls it around. You know what it, what, what it is. To me, what I hear in his mouth is the equivalent of somebody waving around a good scotch with a snifter like. But it's in his mouth. The whole thing is in his mouth. And he's just got. Got extra confidence he's going to come after Draymond here. But what about the meat of what it is that he's saying there?

[Juju]

What about the meat?

[Stugotz]

There is nobody saying that Nico Harrison was not wrong. But Luca is now coming under criticism with the Lakers because they're clearly not good enough. And Lucas team in Dallas is better than this Lakers team.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay? Draymond knows the centerpiece that Luka trade, Anthony Davis was traded a few weeks ago. Right? You know that part. You know that part of the Luca trade and him wondering why no one is saying Nico was right. Does he know that the centerpiece, the only guy that he wanted for Luca, the only team he negotiated with, the Lakers, does he know that that guy Anthony Davis was sent to Siberia a few weeks ago, also known as the Wizards and has not been heard or seen from since? No.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know, I'm proud of you. You basically sound like you're on Bridgerton now compared to where you were.

[Juju]

I'm loving this.

[Dan Le Batard]

Minutes earlier.

[Paulie]

Spitting facts, though he's right.

[Juju]

Also what is not being mentioned is that Nico Harrison and Draymond Greener essentially boys, because Nico Harrison was running Nike basketball for forever in a day. And Draymond is basically holding water for Nico Harris. I will not let that stand.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well put.

[Stugotz]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugotz]

I mean, it's. But it's not. It's obvious. Like, it's. It's obvious to anyone who's working out there. It's not because I'm going to California. Once it's clear that there are only five entities that are running the entire city, and most of it is Netflix City.

[Dan Le Batard]

The world.

[Juju]

Is Jerry Bruckheimer mad about it?

[Stugotz]

Didn't ask him about that.

[Dan Le Batard]

But what, you finally had a guy that could answer your curiosities about Hollywood collapsing on itself.

[Stugotz]

It's super interesting to me to watch it happen, though. Like, it's that you've got so many actors there who are going to be out of work, replaced by robots soon. And they know it. They all know that all the jobs are going to disappear because these tech institutions are going to figure out how to. How to replace them rather easily. We have an interview here that we can show you of a reporter, a real live reporter. He ends up talking to. What is the name of that robot? Chris Cody the robot.

[Dan Le Batard]

The man.

[Stugotz]

I'm terrified of this interview. Okay, so you're terrified by this video. I had a friend of mine show me something the other day. He did. He doesn't. He's in his 50s. He didn't know how to do AI he wrote a sketch and he turned it with AI into something that was a comedy skit with human beings that looked to me like they were human beings, but they're not human beings. It's all artificial. And as soon as Hollywood figures out how to get you to care about one of these artificial things the way you do about Matt Damon or whoever it is that makes you go to the movies, they're going to figure out how to repl all human beings with these things. You Sprout the robot scared you, Chris Cody. Terrifying because it had. It felt like it had a human personality. It's the most realistic interview I've heard with a robot. You're going to hear, it's Tom Lamas from NBC News.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's talking to Sprout.

[Stugotz]

He asked him a couple questions, and then he redirects it towards Sprout's handler. Like a guy with Sprout. And Sprout is just like, no, no, I got Like, I'll jump in here. Like, Sprout is just like, no, you

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[Mike Ryan]

I'll answer this question.

[Stugotz]

For those of you listening on audio, this robot is super tiny, meant to look non threatening. Okay. Meant look like it can't take over the world because it's the size of a toddler. It's very. It's very small. And it doesn't look anything like a human being. It looks like a very small robot. Let's hear from Sprout here.

[Dan Le Batard]

Sprout, it's a pleasure to meet you.

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Hey, Tom. It's an honor to be here on Top Story. I'm super excited to show what I can do and have a little fun during the interview. Thanks for having me.

[Stugotz]

Is this your first time at 30 Rock or have you been here before?

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[Stugotz]

Sprout, hablaspanol.

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Si hablo espanol.

[Stugotz]

Sprout, do you.

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Do you have any dreams or imaginations? I don't have dreams like humans do, but I do imagine a future where I keep learning and growing alongside people. My goal is to always be a helpful, friendly companion, making life a bit easier and more enjoyable for everyone around.

[Stugotz]

Around me.

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[Mike Ryan]

So, Rob, I mean, that almost sounds too perfect. Is that programmed inside of Sprout, or is that just the AI working inside and coming up those thoughts.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is a lot of all that. Well, Sprout, you can speak for yourself.

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[Stugotz]

Yeah, we're done.

[Paulie]

This is exactly how the movie starts every time, no matter what. Look at them. They're so nice.

[Dan Le Batard]

Remember how Witty said that if you did Kevin Durant's career over and over and over again? This was like the worst version of it.

[Mike Ryan]

That's just the Earth now.

[Dan Le Batard]

We did it the worst way possible. This is the end result.

[Mike Ryan]

Like, with what?

[Dan Le Batard]

Within five years, we're all.

[Stugotz]

We're all out of jobs.

[Dan Le Batard]

We're all done. And it's like five. Not just five businesses, five people running all of it.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't know.

[Juju]

You think Sprout would give me accurate Information on the Miami Heat.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, Jeremy Sprout definitely wouldn't.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hey, I doesn't get anything right.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't feel threatened.

[Juju]

What was that? What are you doing?

[Mike Ryan]

Again, I don't feel threatened.

[Stugotz]

He's at maximum confidence. They can't make a robot that speaks like it's got a snifter in its mouth and with a bunch of marbles.

[Mike Ryan]

Robots going to say things that I say.

[Stugotz]

Not the way that you would say.

[Mike Ryan]

Robots go. Think the way I think.

[Dan Le Batard]

Think.

[Mike Ryan]

Robot can't do this.

[Stugotz]

I don't care.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think you're overthinking your own voice at this point.

[Juju]

So it is.

[Dan Le Batard]

We shouldn't have seized on it. This is bad. This is real bad.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, this is bad.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's going to turn into Bulworth.

[Stugotz]

We've undergone. We've undercut who he is at his core, and he's going to slowly morph into somebody who's hosting the show as a character in Bridgerton. That's not good. I want to play for the group. Some sound here from Paul George. Pablo is going to be at the Sloan conference. That is a match made in heaven right there. Pablo's going to Sloan this week to do a live show after doing a live show with Roy Wood Jr. Last weekend. This Paul George clip has been pointed out that it was actually a couple

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[Stugotz]

Thank you for the clarification on the date on that. I feel like if a robot had been in that spot, I would have known that in the morning meeting. So the Paul George sound is about Kawhi Leonard, and it's old enough that Brian Shaw was coaching the Clippers at the time. I don't believe he's there anymore. And the rules were different from for Kawhi since the very beginning. Is this surprising to you at all when I play this sound for you, Zaslow? Is it surprising to hear a star of Paul George's stature say, there was one set of rules for me, but it's a different set of rules for Kawhi Leonard.

[Zaslow]

When you airball in practice, right, you got to stop play. So we could be practicing scrimmage in you airball a shot, you got to drop the ball, run down. Everybody said, we'll wait. Yeah, we'll say we'll wait. So I do it. Everybody abides by the law. Nobody's above the. Nobody's above the law. That's B saying, you're not above the law. Go do it. Right? So I've Done it. Like, everybody's done it. Kawhi airballs, right? Everybody's looking around. Everybody's looking around. Like, who's gonna tell them? We'll wait. So now, like, I'm looking at B. Shaw, B. Shaw don't say nothing. Nothing. So then finally, B. Shaw's like, nah,

[Paulie]

everybody's on B. Shaw's ass.

[Dan Le Batard]

Low key.

[Zaslow]

Like, yo, we on B. Shaw ass. Like, b, are you gonna. Yeah, you ain't gonna say nothing. So finally, like, why? Like, I'm not running.

[Stugotz]

Why?

[Paulie]

You sound just like, straight up.

[Zaslow]

Straight like that. I'm not running. And B. Shaw, like, nobody's above the law. Like, he. Like, it's basketball. I'm an airball. Again, like, I'm not. You're not about to coach me or teach me that, like, air balling is, like, not good. It's part of.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's.

[Zaslow]

So I'm not running, yo.

[Paulie]

And then, like, 20 minutes later, somebody

[Zaslow]

else airball and wise. Like, see, he's like, you got everybody's head now. Now everybody air ball. I don't have me nervous to shoot.

[Paulie]

So he went above the law.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, that's a good Kawhi Leonard impersonation. We all. We all heard Kawhi Leonard's act of insubordination in a couple of words, in a sentence with, I'm not running. And what do you do if you're the coach in that spot? Like, what. What. What recourse do you have if you're Brian Shaw?

[Mike Ryan]

I think KAWHI Leonard is 100% right in that response. And he's also a dick because, like, if. If this is the way the team up this. What the team does. Be part of the team. Like, Kawhi's rationale is a thousand percent right. But, like, are you part of the team or you're not part of the team?

[Zaslow]

I'm not running.

[Stugotz]

It's a good impersonation. It's. It's. It sounds a lot. It really sounds a lot more like Kawhi than it does like, Paul George.

[Zaslow]

I'm not running.

[Stugotz]

And you're saying he's 1,000% right, but he's not 1,000% right. He's simply wrong. It's a team rule.

[Zaslow]

I'm not running.

[Mike Ryan]

No, but he's right about his explanation where it's. If I. If I make an. If I shoot an airball part of the game, what. There's nothing, like, inherently wrong. I didn't do anything wrong. He's right about that.

[Zaslow]

I'm not running.

[Stugotz]

Says he's not right by just telling his coach, I'm not doing what is a team rule for everyone else.

[Zaslow]

I'm not running.

[Mike Ryan]

That's why he's a dick.

[Zaslow]

I'm not running it.

[Stugotz]

It's so he's right, but he's a dick.

[Mike Ryan]

You could be writing a dick.

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Paulie]

Don LeBatard I ain't never met nobody in the world that's done hate on me.

[Stugotz]

Great nominee. Like who?

[Paulie]

Don't like Blue's Clues, bruh. If you don't like Blue's Clues.

[Mike Ryan]

You're a loser.

[Dan Le Batard]

Stugats.

[Paulie]

Look, you get one paw print. That's the first clue. You put it in a notebook. Now what do you do? Blues Clues. Blues Clues.

[Stugotz]

Sit on the chair and think about it.

[Paulie]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats. Did y' all hear Kawhi when they asked him about the team chances this year in the playoffs? He was like, oh, no, we do this year. It's not so many games left.

[Stugotz]

He didn't even even pretend. He didn't even try and give them something that just faked its way.

[Juju]

He said, that window is closed.

[Stugotz]

There have not been a lot of superstars in the history of the league like him. I think Stephen A. Smith is way too hard on him when he says he's the worst superstar in league history because he did win a championship in Toronto and knocked out the warriors of Golden State. And like, there has never been. There's never been anybody with his resume of championships that's viewed the way that he's viewed like that. I could have made the argument based on that famous clip of LeBron James in his prime looking over his shoulder when Kawhi's checking back into the game and LeBron's like, bleep. We missed our opportunity to do something while he wasn't in the game. His legacy is going to be so confusing to people on what to do with, what it is that he chose to do with the last part of his career, because you don't normally have that kind of centerpiece at the center of championships. That's regarded by a whole lot of people as, at best, a mystery. Right. That's the most positive way that I can frame it. Right. We've talked before about Russell Wilson playing his way out of the hall of Fame. What has Kawhi Leonard with. With the mercenary nature of what he's done to ultimately destroy the future of the Clippers. How's that all going to be remembered? Is it going to be remembered as a great champion? Because there aren't a whole lot of guys that win that many championships and do it in multiple places. And the second time or the third time. Excuse me. Or was it. Is it the fourth time? Is it the third time or the fourth time? Does it by him largely by himself in Toronto? Pascal Siakam is your second best player.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is.

[Stugotz]

It's hard to win a championship.

[Mike Ryan]

He's going to be remembered as the guy who was Finals MVP twice, because it's not as if, you know, like With Russell Wilson playing his way potentially out of the hall of Fame, that has not been Kawhi Leonard. When Kawhi Leonard plays, he's still really, really great.

[Dan Le Batard]

He.

[Mike Ryan]

It's not like we're watching a shell of himself out there. He just isn't out there enough. But when he is, he's always the best player on the floor.

[Juju]

He's. He's probably the best player in the league this year. He is having the best statistical year of his career. But our guy Pablo just comes out and throws dirt on his name where he's not even getting voted as an All Star, which is just poppycock.

[Paulie]

And I also think that how the world works now, unfortunately, he gonna be the brother we remember for not planting trees, man, because the scandal stick. I know I don't know too much positive about Ronald Reagan. I know what he did wrong though.

[Juju]

Was it Iran Contra?

[Stugotz]

The news that came out last week about Ishbia, the owner of the sun, saying, I've got a way to make the All Star game even better than it already was this year when the players did us the courtesy of caring. I'll get them to care even more by making it a million dollars for the three point competition if you win it and a million dollars if you're in the dunk competition. I thought as soon as I heard it, wow, that's really smart. Wow, that's dystopian that you have to all of a sudden get millionaires in order because I think you'd get them to participate in those contests if you put the bonus out there like that. But I also think that it's really offensive that you have to do that in order to get them to do that on top of their salaries.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. Your third thought should have been like this is salary cap circumvention.

[Mike Ryan]

That's what a mean told us, which

[Dan Le Batard]

is like a mean kind of dismiss it out of hand, which like HBI has other companies that can maybe step up and sponsor. But as we know with Aspir, that could be problematic too. So the idea may work out, but Ishbia certainly can't be behind it at least as as he laid it out.

[Stugotz]

All of this stuff has to be collectively bargained. But when Adam Silver, I mean, can dismiss it, as he's dismissed all of the Kevin Durant burner talk because he has more information than most of the people gossiping about it, you can dismiss it. But once Adam Silver puts all things on the table, I don't think you can dismiss it because they've Got to fix that portion of the weekend as well. If they've already made the changes to fix the game itself, they also have to fix the other part. And if they don't do it that way, the idea by itself is something that can work.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right. You mentioned it has to be collectively bargained. I don't know if it has to be because Adam Silver just changed it. Like we had something different from one year to another year. And I don't know if there was a round of negotiations or if this was all handled in a group.

[Stugotz]

When there's money involved, it's not about effort. He changed the game. He didn't change the way people can make money. Once you throw money into the mix, it's gotta be collectively bargained. How it is that all gets split up. But it's not surprising to me at all that Ishba, like this is a funny thing, right? When you think of how things in sports are changing and Draymond Green's real problem there with what it is that he was saying is with the media. Pat McAfee also has a problem with the media, and I don't know if you saw that. Pat McAfee, his new agent, I think is the guy who was being portrayed by Jeremy Piven in Entourage, who runs Hollywood.

[Mike Ryan]

Ari Emanuel, right?

[Stugotz]

Ari Emanuel, correct. Ari manuel is Pat McAfee. If he's not his agent, he's out here saying, I want to make Pat McAfee the next Sylvester Stallone. That's what I want to do with McAfee. To see Ishbia, a new kind of owner who comes from allegedly a holder. Lot of predatory lending in what it is that he does to get to the top of the food chain the same way that Dan Gilbert does. To see McAfee, who's doing multi hundred thousand dollar field goal competitions, just sit there with a billionaire and say, how do we fix this? Can we do it with millions of dollars and have it get the attention of players? Because how many players do you think are listening to that and are saying, yeah, I wouldn't have done the dunk competition, I wouldn't do the three point competition, but if you give me a million dollars clean for winning the thing, all of a sudden now you make you turn an exhibition weekend into something that's a gambling weekend for the players. You're allowing the players to do something that feels like gambling and filing it under competition. It's a good idea.

[Juju]

I don't know if it feels like gambling. Think about unrivaled. They did the one on one competition. And it was $250,000. Right. Juju to the winner. And that is the as a max contract. So let's do the one on one for the NBA and let's make it the size of a max contract.

[Mike Ryan]

I like the idea of there being a huge grand prize like that for the slam dunk and like a fight breaks out because Julius Irving holds up like a 9 instead of a 10 on the final dunk.

[Stugotz]

We hadn't considered that. I. Yes, Wembley Wembanyama grabbing Julius Ervin by the back of the head and just dragging an old man around the court because he's lost a million dollars on something subjective.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, what would have happened that year a few years ago where Dwyane Wade rigged it for Derrick Jones Jr. To beat? Who was it? Aaron Gordon.

[Paulie]

Aaron Gordon in the slam dunk.

[Mike Ryan]

Imagine us for $1 million.

[Dan Le Batard]

Jeremy, I may need one of your drawstring investigations to find out how this story had anything to do with Pat McAfee. Can we reverse engineer the Pat McAfee to Matt Ishbia?

[Stugotz]

Link Ishbia was on McAfee show when he gave the idea.

[Dan Le Batard]

There it is. All right. Because like the Sylvester Stallone Pat McAfee bit didn't feel like it was important contextual to reshaping the All Star Game.

[Paulie]

Also, since we mentioned Pat McAfee, I would like to just give my boy a round of applause right quick.

[Juju]

Why?

[Stugotz]

What are we applauding?

[Juju]

Yeah, that's what I'd like to know.

[Dan Le Batard]

It was established last week.

[Stugotz]

Okay. I feel left out. That's good. On my own show. So Ishbia is an owner who thinks a little bit differently than most owners. And what I'm saying about McAfee and the link is seeing those two people turn the All Star Game into a game show where they have to offer the superstar millions of dollars beyond their salary is a good idea that is playful and also something that I believe Silver will take under advisement to figure out how to do something like that so that you make competitive people compete over an amount of money that matters.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, well, if you're running it by Pat McAfee, giving money away to anybody seems to be a very effective thing for the brand. It usually works with him. The ratings bear this out. People love watching other people compete for big sums of money. That's worked for Pat.

[Mike Ryan]

You know about that. Giving away money, Dan?

[Stugotz]

Yeah, I do know about that. Giving away money. It's what we're doing around here every day for you to Ask me questions about Pots and Mike to tell me how our show was good last week with inside jokes that are not revealed to me today.

[Dan Le Batard]

Probably listen to the show.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, I could do that. That's what we have to do.

[Paulie]

Got his ass.

[Stugotz]

I didn't like that whatsoever. Send him away. You know what? I'm gonna send myself away so I can just cool down a little bit. Final penalty, two minutes.

[Dan Le Batard]

Tremendous. I don't see how Kakason matters there. Like, Kakason is usually like a cat, isn't it? I don't understand how that's a tremendous. I really don't. But, Zaz, I do appreciate you to tone down the vernacular a little bit.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't know what you mean.

[Juju]

I don't know what you mean.

[Mike Ryan]

I talk the way I talk, man.

[Stugotz]

I am who I am.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm gonna take it to Iran. Yeah, okay. I'm gonna take it to Iran because it's good. You know, we're at. We're at war. And Dan tried to talk politics with within or Miami going to the White House, and he asked what our reaction was to that.

[Mike Ryan]

I didn't even know that they are going.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, they're going. I saw that. Unless things have changed recently with a war, I saw that Beckham and Messi will all be there at the White House as invited guests to celebrate the MLS Cup. I saw that. And this is a part of sports historically, which, you know, we mentioned that usually you're not being invited to the State of the Union, but the State of the Union often uses people as props. Sometimes are regular civilians. Sometimes they're people that have been injured at war, or sometimes they're heroes. Oftentimes they're heroes. And that's what Team USA was to a lot of people. And I get that. But I do have an issue with it because it's one of my teams. The Florida Panthers did it. I wasn't crazy about it. The news came out, I think, after we did our show on Friday, that Trump once again is gonna turn to sports and try to fix college football. Hopefully he does a better job of it. He's having. Tim Tebow was a part of this. Nick Saban, Bryson.

[Mike Ryan]

I think I even saw that.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

It was positioned once again as fixing college football. Although there are from sports all over sports that are. I think Randy Levine is a part of it. From the Yankees.

[Mike Ryan]

Gotta start with that kickoff rule.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, I think that's where it's gonna go. And it's funny. He keeps. This president keeps going back to sports because he's getting what he needs out of it, which is to normalize because sports are super normal. We have heroes like Tim Tebow is a very famous suit. Nick Saban is. These are very well respected dudes. And when you're sitting across from this president having any conversation which isn't, what the hell are we doing here? This is nuts. Normalizes him and he is going to gravitate to that. And I'm not surprised when you consider Inter Miami's ownership and their. Their causes and their donations, why they're all for this. Messi being used for it. Messi, he's Argentinian. He operates in a different moral scale. Like Ronaldo was there. Those two always seem to be tied at the hip of these conversations. Beckham being there, that one's probably a little dicey for his brain. He seems to lose the most of this, given that he's famously English. I don't like it, especially now where we're at war, a war in which 80% of Americans didn't want to be in. And I do think sports should probably cool down on this, but they're not. The distinction that needs to be made is you're normalizing something that flatly isn't normal and you need to stop being used.

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