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Dan LeBatard
All right, Smirnoff. Official vodka of the NFL. World's number one vodka. Chris, Cody, you're with me here.
Stugats
Smirnoff.
Dan LeBatard
Wow, you're on the money with Smirnoff.
Chris Cote
Smirnoff.
Dan LeBatard
I'm gonna ask you, Chris, what's your favorite game day food?
Chris Cote
Smirnoff.
Dan LeBatard
That's your favorite game day drink. What's your favorite game day food?
Chris Cote
Smirnoff.
Dan LeBatard
All right, here's the deal. Game day is everything. The noise, the rituals, the passion, the dip, the wings, the dip again.
Ken Carman
Smirnoff.
Dan LeBatard
Smirnoff belongs in that mix. Because if you're tailgating or hosting or just sitting there checking your fantasy lineup every 30 seconds, you need Smirnoff. Otherwise, it's not a real game day. They've been doing it since 1864, which is. I don't even want to do the math. It's a long time. It's like when Greg Cody was born. They're award winning, they make cocktails super easy, and they're all about bringing fans together. So, yeah, we do game days. That's their thing. And if you're over 21, you should, too. Why, Chris?
Chris Cote
Smirnoff.
Dan LeBatard
Grab a bottle of Smirnoff at your local retailer and head to smirnoff.com to find recipes of delicious cocktails perfect for game day.
Chris Cote
Smirnoff.
Dan LeBatard
Please drink responsibly.
Chris Cote
Smirnoff.
Dan LeBatard
Number 21, vodka distilled from grain, 40% alcohol by volume. The Smirnoff Company, New York, New York. Please do not share with anyone under legal drinking age.
Stugats
Me?
Chris Cote
No.
Stugats
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Chris Cote
Cuervo. Anytime someone says Cuervo, I show up.
Stugats
Well, I do know that to be true. But even during ad reads like Cuervo, I think he could lay out, especially.
Chris Cote
For one of our great partners, sweet, delicious Cuervo.
Stugats
Since then, Cuervo has stayed true to its roots. The same family, the same land, the same passion.
Chris Cote
Cuervo.
Stugats
So enjoy the tequila that started it all. Cuervo.
Chris Cote
Cuervo.
Stugats
The tequila that invented tequila.
Anthony Lima
Proximo.
Stugats
Cuervo.com, please drink responsibly.
Chris Cote
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Pablo Torre
Limit one per transaction exclusion supply full.
Chris Cote
Eligible tool list in store and online. Welcome to the Big Sui presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show, the podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBatard podcast?
Jonathan Zaslow
I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that.
Chris Cote
In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys.
Anthony Lima
I've done it.
Chris Cote
And now here's the Marching man to Nowhere, Fat Face and the Habitual Liar.
Jonathan Zaslow
This episode of the Dan Lebatard show is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings. The Crown is yours, my son.
Chris Cote
I have in front of me a top 10 list from Apple, which has identified the 10 best podcast episodes of 2020, 25. As you know, there are way, way too many podcasts in the universe. Most of them are wildly unsuccessful.
Jonathan Zaslow
If you don't have a podcast, you're a loser.
Chris Cote
But most of them are wildly unsuccessful as businesses, and there are just too many people talking. It's a very cheap form of entertainment. And it's also somehow the future filled with intimacy because so much programming is expensive. Digital television is far cheaper if you just make your television a podcast. It's been rather shocking in my lifetime to see ESPN2, which used to be a network that was trying to be the edgier form of ESPN and poured a ton of money into programming. Just say, nope, let's just pare this down and make it maximum efficient. The podcast business is our business. It's good for us. We are very grateful that our listeners are the kind of loyal that they are, and they've allowed us to birth one of the very few successful podcast businesses that has emerged in the last few years, which is Pablo Torre finds out, which now finds itself in the top 10 from Apple on top 10 episodes of the year. I think there are two in here that are cheating, okay, the, you know, new heights, getting Taylor Swift to sit down. It's not just sports. It's all podcasts. It's all forms of intimate talking in podcast form. What are the 10 best episodes of 2020? One of them is cheating when you get Taylor Swift on new heights because she's engaged to one of the hosts and Lady Gaga was on another One. But Pablo Torre's episode with the mean about Kawhi Leonard and the Aspiration Clippers scandal is one of the top 10 episodes according to Apple.
Stugats
How'd the Pete Carroll episode do?
Pablo Torre
Hey, we're not gonna downplay or down talk. My good friends, the Kelce Brothers, they put out a quality product. Okay. And I for one, am all right with them being ranked ahead of us because only two spots ahead.
Chris Cote
Wait a minute. I don't think this is ranked in order. Is it? I don't. I think it's just 10 of them. Otherwise, the Lady Gaga episode is being. I don't.
Pablo Torre
This.
Chris Cote
These aren't numbered. It's just 10. The top 10 episodes.
Pablo Torre
Okay, well, in that case. Well, I'm glad that my good friends, the Kelce Brothers.
Jonathan Zaslow
Yo, that's not gonna cash on. So stop saying it like that.
Pablo Torre
That's their name. That's their name. I'm sorry. I like to pronounce people's names correctly.
Kristen Shilton
You're sorry?
Anthony Lima
You're sorry?
Pablo Torre
I'm sorry. I'm Canadian.
Chris Cote
You say like to pronounce their names correctly, but I believe you sided with everyone else when I said FSU's quarterback is named Castellanos. I don't care how he pronounces. Agreed. Well, his name is Castellanos.
Pablo Torre
Dan, I'm with you on this. Whenever it's a name that's pronounced incorrectly because they don't understand the origin of their own name, I'm with you. I'm gonna pronounce it right. Like Kristen Pulisic with a ch, not a cuh. Castellanos. Who else? Who else? A Tom Thibodeau. Not Thibodeau.
Chris Cote
Greg Cote.
Pablo Torre
Cote. We'll call you that from now on.
Chris Cote
Congratulations, though. I mean, this. You were on this episode. This is you. It wasn't just the story. For those of you who don't know, it was a good job. Yes, it is you.
Pablo Torre
Obviously clapping the house. Guys, guys, come on. Come on.
Jonathan Zaslow
Got a lot of applause. Pointing at the Pope like that.
Chris Cote
Too much. Too much applause.
Pablo Torre
You know, that's. I'm a modest guy.
Chris Cote
The episode that you guys did is not just because of the allegations in it that, you know, is a huge sports story. It was also the way the story was told because Pablo, ever inventive, decided to surprise both David and Amin with the information and. And didn't get to it, I don't think, until like 30 minutes into the episode. Right. The news breaking portions of that episode, I think, were after the 30 minute mark. If I'm not mistaken. And you guys were just sitting there. Both of you were just sitting there waiting for the surprise and then were genuinely surprised. So congratulations to Amin on that. I wanted to go back to the conversation we were just having.
Pablo Torre
No speech. Okay.
Stugats
I mean, why are you wearing a Rashad McCann shirt?
Pablo Torre
It's Rayshawn Terry.
Chris Cote
You can give a speech. I thought you just said the while we were applauding. Stop, guys, stop.
Kristen Shilton
I'm a modest no, but that means, like, keep going.
Chris Cote
But you never watch in a week. Keep going. I want to make a speech when I wasn't expecting.
Stugats
Of course.
Chris Cote
All right, so go ahead.
Kristen Shilton
It's like, yeah, I wasn't expecting this.
Stugats
Let me take this out real quick. If history has taught you anything, you should follow this thread with mean and have no regret.
Pablo Torre
First of all, I'd like to thank Pablo Torre and the entire team for selecting me. I know they could have had any NBA expert who worked in front offices for about 10 years and has a long history of being really great on media. I'm sure there are plenty of those to pick from, but no, they picked me. Also, I'd like to give a shout out to David Sampson, without whom I would have known that we got nominated for this. His tweet basically is what tipped me off to begin with. That's why I didn't have the list. I just saw his tweet. Also, I'd like to thank Dan Leardard for being so gracious, so gracious and so kind with his time and his money to allow this podcast to exist right here at Meadowlock Media. Dan, we couldn't do it without you. What?
Chris Cote
Minor penalty, Two minutes murdering the show.
Stugats
With her bare hands and a dismemberment.
Chris Cote
Kit in cold blood.
Stugats
Really thought it was gonna work that time.
Chris Cote
The best acceptance speech that has ever been made on this show was Denzel Washington talking about his. What should have been his acceptance speech for the great movie Virtuosity.
Stugats
Let me do my acceptance speech.
Pablo Torre
Okay.
Stugats
Ladies and gentlemen of the Academy, you know, I want to thank you when you were so kind and.
Anthony Lima
Oh, no, I'm not humble enough.
Ken Carman
Let me start again.
Stugats
No, I gotta get the tears going. Wait a minute. Ladies and gentlemen, in the Academy, I'm just so humbled that you recognize my great action abilities and virtuosity. And I want to thank the directors.
Anthony Lima
He.
Stugats
Mino. I forgot his name.
Chris Cote
Is he 70 yet? Is Denzel?
Jonathan Zaslow
I think so.
Chris Cote
70 years old. Who is the oldest action star we've got going now?
Jonathan Zaslow
Liam Neeson, probably so he's over 70.
Stugats
I think he's aged out. You saw his gate naked gun. That gate creaky posture. I don't. I think he's aged out about his.
Chris Cote
Put it on. Put it on. The poll at LeBatard show is creaking. Liam Neeson, has he aged out as an action star in his 70s?
Jonathan Zaslow
Denzel is 71.
Kristen Shilton
Was he creakier than when my man Robert De Niro went to do the kick in the Irishman? Because that was creaky, too.
Jonathan Zaslow
Liam Neeson, 73.
Stugats
Yeah, he's a little old now.
Chris Cote
Well, speaking of old, getting back to the conversation that we were having before, because I was under the impression.
Anthony Lima
Whether.
Chris Cote
You'Re talking about hip hop being 50 years old or standup comedy being something close to 100 years old, maybe it's older than that. I suppose court gestures and all that stuff would make it something that's older than that. But I thought that with art forms in entertainment that moved people or made them laugh, got up in their emotions, I thought that history was respected, even if young people are generally ignorant about history. I thought that if I said to young people, hey, Eddie Murphy on the Mount Rushmore of comedians, would you put him there? Like, I would assume that you'd respect history and putting together whatever it is your Mount Rushmore is like, I'm so. If you're here saying to me that being Eddie doesn't mean anything to you, the documentary that Eddie Murphy doesn't mean anything to you, then you're also somebody. If we're talking about people who are over 50, who's also not gonna have any respect for. Hey, you realize that Jamie Foxx is one of the multifaceted, most multifaceted enter there's ever been. As a talent or no, you're too. You're too young for that. Because Gold Digger was a long time ago. And like, what is. What is the cutoff on somebody being so legendary and historic? Babe Ruth, Barry Bonds, where it overwhelms. It overwhelmed the talent, overwhelms even the ignorance of young people. And you have to say, no, I respect that talent. Because you guys are being dismissive of something. And someone that I think obviously is one of the greats of all time and more talented than almost all of the comedians who have ever done it. Not necessarily as a comedian, though. That too. But just in terms of general talent. The. The acting ability, the being able to have a hit song, the range on that needs to be. I feel like kids need to respect something like that, even if you don't respect history, Dan.
Pablo Torre
The reason why, if you watch the documentary, they have Dave Chappelle, a Jamie Foxx, and he's got Kevin Hart talking about Eddie in that way, is because it's trying to bridge the gap. It's trying to illustrate to a younger audience who might look at those are the biggest comedians of the day, even if they don't think that those are their favorites, they recognize, oh, Dave Chappelle, big time comedian Jamie Foxx, big time comedian Kevin Hart. And all those guys are telling you he's the man. He's the man, right? And what I thought was really curious is that Chappelle kind of in his own way identified his generation, which I guess I'm, I think on the tail end of that when he says, I know a lot of people, we respect Richard. Richard's great, but like, Eddie was the guy for me. And for me, I know in terms of, you know, stand up comedy, the first guy that really grabbed me, even though my father had Richard Pryor albums around, it was Eddie Murphy. For me, I was always Eddie Murphy. But I think that's an age thing. But the reason why is because they, you know, in the words of Jay Z, repeat your name so a world of amnesia won't forget your name. Right? That's the reason why they do that. But the reality is, for a 25 year old, most of them haven't even heard of Raw or Delirious.
Kristen Shilton
I think the thing is for medium, right? Like, I mean, just said it like there was Richard Pryor albums that you would put in because you didn't have any access to. There weren't specials on tv, there weren't the Internet where you could just go in and Google Richard Pryor sets, right? Like that thing has not been passed down. So nobody's telling younger kids, hey, go check out Richard Pryor on YouTube.
Chris Cote
Oh, but what I'm saying about the resume, when Amin says 25 year olds on Eddie Murphy's resume before he's 25 is rescued. Saturday Night Live. It would not be on today if not for a Eddie Murphy who was younger than 25 when he was on it. And that's not one of the top five things on his resume, Dan.
Pablo Torre
He is the LeBron James of comedy. Like when you talk about someone that young walking in and being incredible, right? Being just incredible out the gate. When you talk about not being 25, I believe he was 19 years old. He was 19 years old when he went on SNL. I think he was like 21 when he did Trading Places, which I learned for the first time watching that documentary was originally gonna be a Gene Wilder Richard Pryor movie. And I'll be honest, I kind of want to watch that movie. I want to watch the two of them do it because I think, you know, they did the great buddy movies would have been real funny. The problem is that Richard Pryor burned himself freebasing cocaine, so couldn't do the movie.
Chris Cote
Well, this I've. I've seen a couple of interesting reveals in documentary form that way. Charlie Sheen was supposed to be the Karate Kid. He was supposed to be Ralph Match Macchio and was not that. That also is a very good documentary. Both of them I've enjoyed.
Pablo Torre
Martin Lawrence was supposed to be in Rush Hour, but it's. They chose Chris Tucker because he was cheaper.
Chris Cote
Good choice.
Stugats
Look up who was supposed to be in Bad Boys originally.
Pablo Torre
Oh, yeah, it was like Don Lovitz, right?
Chris Cote
What put it on the poll at Lebatar.
Pablo Torre
I want to see that movie.
Chris Cote
Did you now, did you know that John Mike Lowery. Did you know that Jon Lovitz was supposed to be in Bad Boys at Lebatard Show?
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Pablo Torre
Today.
Stugats
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Chris Cote
Don LeBatard, you are a fool.
Ken Carman
You're nobody.
Stugats
You are an infant.
Ken Carman
You have nobody. I literally put together Mike Ryan stage for your toenail. Nobody.
Chris Cote
I am your career right now, pal.
Ken Carman
Look at me.
Chris Cote
No, I am your career.
Stugats
No stugats. You have messed with McDavid and now you're messing with me.
Chris Cote
And I'm more dangerous, pal. This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats. So Lane Kiffin appeared on Pat McAfee yesterday and it created a great deal of outrage that Lane Kiffin mercenary does things differently. I feel like we all know that Lane Kiffin was using Mississippi as a stepping stone. If you didn't know it, perhaps you did. When he came on with us and he said, yeah, love this brown lake we've got near campus, like, it's clearly not a place that he wants to be. For a long time, I didn't have any illusion that anyone thought he was supposed to be loyal to that place. But people are bothered that he went on McAfee and talked about self help books and talked about yoga and denied what is being reported as an ultimatum. Hey, Lane, tell us whether you're staying or going because we don't want to have our entire program thrown up in the air by your indecision. But what is Lane's responsibility in the modern age? I do understand that we're applying old standards, rah rah standards to hey, coach, be the educator. But come on, we know what this is, don't we? Like we know that this is a person you rent to give you offense. Like that's. Mississippi has no claim to loyalty on Lane Kiffin. Mississippi is a stepping stone for every coach that exists that's coming through Mississippi. Nobody's stopping in Mississippi as the destination or dreaming of being Mississippi's coach until they, until they finish their careers. So what, what, what is the nature of the outrage? What's happening here that people are getting upset? I understand why Mississippi would get upset, but that people are getting upset with Lane Kiffin for being such a mercenary about this.
Jonathan Zaslow
I think the only reason that you're getting upset is because they have a legitimate shot to win the national championship. And is there a scenario where he won't even coach them in the playoffs and who knows if Ole Miss ever has this scenario again. So I think that's the only place that an Ole Miss fan would be upset right now.
Stugats
Happen to know.
Chris Cote
Oh my God.
Stugats
He knows.
Chris Cote
He happens to know. Come, everyone, come and listen. He happens to know.
Pablo Torre
Well informed.
Stugats
Plenty of people out there that are way more plugged in on this. If you've been following this story. Florida people feel like this is a stone cold lead pipeline.
Jonathan Zaslow
I think he's the next Florida coach.
Anthony Lima
There's.
Stugats
I happen to know there are meetings happening this week between the parties.
Chris Cote
You happen to know. Again, hold on a second. We got to do this correctly.
Stugats
He happens to know.
Chris Cote
Great Scott. He happens to know. He happens to know.
Ken Carman
Gather everyone, get the children.
Chris Cote
He happens to know.
Jonathan Zaslow
So wise.
Stugats
I'm interested to see how this plays out. We haven't exactly had this situation present itself before and. And if he takes that job, does he. Does he have a working arrangement that it doesn't affect Ole Miss at all? And he continues finishing that job.
Chris Cote
How.
Stugats
How dedicated will. Will they be? Let's say Ole Miss. It would be totally understandable inside the sec. Mississippi State. Even though their arrow isn't pointing up exactly right now.
Jonathan Zaslow
Sneaky, decent Mississippi State.
Stugats
You know that feisty. You were on that Egg bowl can be close if Ole Miss drops that game. Understandably. So how does a committee look at what's happening with Ole Miss? We know how they looked at what happened with Florida State and Jordan Travis. Is there a scenario in which Ole Miss leaves Ole Miss entirely during the cfp? And now the committee is looking at an Ole Miss coming off a loss in the Egg bowl, potentially not playing in the SEC championship. How do they look at that? It would be curious.
Chris Cote
You do the same thing with the coach that you do with the quarterback. Because FSU was undefeated, but because so tied.
Stugats
Whoa. You're right, Dan.
Jonathan Zaslow
I was emotional.
Pablo Torre
Tcu horn frogging.
Stugats
They are so tied.
Chris Cote
Sorry.
Pablo Torre
College joke.
Anthony Lima
Wow.
Stugats
That was weird.
Dan LeBatard
Rough week.
Stugats
They are so tied to Lane Kiff.
Chris Cote
You think they get punished? That Ole Miss gets punished? Because I do. You don't think that Trinidad Chambliss is enough? I think that if you're. I think the reason that Travis. The reason that FSU was knocked out at 130 is because everyone knew that once they lost their starting quarterback, that changes the entirety of how it is they play football. You're of the belief that if Mississippi loses, Lane Kiffin, he's the only one who can coach offense that way for them.
Stugats
I. I don't know. I'm just. I'm not telling you what to think. I'm asking you if you'd like to. We have a breaking news story here.
Jonathan Zaslow
Yo, stop laughing. Stop funny.
Pablo Torre
Hey.
Anthony Lima
You're a sucker.
Ken Carman
You're a sucker of the day.
Chris Cote
You.
Jonathan Zaslow
Yo, I don't appreciate it. It's not funny.
Stugats
That's the breaking news.
Chris Cote
A few minutes ago, Zaslow tweeted out something. He's selling bitcoin now, apparently on Twitter.
Ken Carman
Oh, I think he's been hacked.
Chris Cote
Yeah. Funny man.
Kristen Shilton
Suck a move.
Chris Cote
So, all of you, I used to.
Stugats
Be skeptical about bitcoin.
Chris Cote
Can you guys.
Jonathan Zaslow
What did I say? Tell me what I said.
Chris Cote
Hold on. Can you stop for a second? Because you guys are interrupting the show laughing at something that you have not yet introduced to the audience. Okay, I see the entire room laughing while I'm trying to engage everyone in a conversation about Whether it matters that Lane Kiffin live leaves Ole Miss, and none of you are listening to me because Zaslo was hacked. Do you think you should explain that to the audience before you start giggling about it?
Jonathan Zaslow
It's not funny.
Stugats
They have a screen cap of Jonathan. Is purported to be Jonathan Zaslow's crypto account. Says, Jonathan, you got money. Apparently you have $80,000 in your crypto.
Pablo Torre
Is that from the bar mitzvah?
Stugats
Big thanks to whoever hacked you. What a smooth withdrawal. I used to be skeptical about bitcoin, but with her guidance, I've been making real profits. Just got paid straight to my bank account. The celebratory party hat emoji. If you're curious, check her out. I'm so glad I did. 100 emoji.
Jonathan Zaslow
You see? You know how it's bullshit, zombie. I never use emojis. I never use emojis. It's not me.
Chris Cote
What happened here? And you're just learned, like, what happened that this interrupted. Did you tell them? Did they tell you? Somebody didn't tell me while I was doing the show. And all of you just started laughing and enjoying yourself, and I like that. Forgot to do the show with me. Would you like to explain to me and as an added bonus, the audience what happened?
Jonathan Zaslow
So I tried to get onto, you know, Twitter here because, like. Like, I'm trying to learn stuff that we're talking about, and I couldn't sign on, and it's making me do all kinds of garbage to get back on. It's not letting me. And I'm like, I wonder if someone's getting up in my business. And so then I asked Chris, because it won't even let me check if I've been hacked. I have no access. So then I asked Chris, yo, can you check my Twitter? Something weird might be happening.
Chris Cote
I saw it was, and I just started showing everyone here, and everyone's laughing at me.
Jonathan Zaslow
I don't like it.
Chris Cote
Instead of doing your job and instead of answering Zas's question. Yeah. Yes. You just distracted me while I was talking and made it so that no one can answer my question because too many people were busy laughing at something that me and Zaz were excluded.
Stugats
This is bigger than all of us.
Jonathan Zaslow
Like, I said to Chris, I asked Chris, can you. Can you go on? Can you check my Twitter right now and see if anything weird's happening? And like, three seconds later, all of a sudden, Chris turns around and everyone's.
Stugats
For those laughing, for the record, I don't think Ole Miss should be penalized If Lane Kiffin leaves. I want to make that clear.
Chris Cote
I don't.
Stugats
I'm just asking the question.
Chris Cote
I don't think that anyone other than you is asking that question.
Stugats
I mean, they did it with Jordan Travis.
Chris Cote
I know, but a quarterback and a coach are not the same thing.
Stugats
You were right. Lane Kiffin is way more identified with that program than Jordan Travis.
Chris Cote
Not as important to the result on the field in any one. Wait a minute.
Stugats
He is a cult of personality. Everyone, everyone assigns their success, everyone attributes their success directly to that offensive mind calling play.
Chris Cote
Okay, so you're of the belief.
Stugats
You're of the belief calls plays.
Chris Cote
You're of the belief that if I take Lane Kiffin, give the team one loss like it has right now, but I take Lane Kiffin off of their sideline, Tony's calling plays now for the playoffs. You're of the belief that the committee or a committee member would say to themselves, I don't believe that team has a chance anymore in the playoffs because Lane Kiffin is not there. The same way that I believe that the undefeated FSU team doesn't have a chance because their quarterback broke his leg.
Stugats
I don't think it's word for word what you said, but I do think it affects their ranking. Again, I don't think it should cost him the cfp, but it might cost him a home game.
Chris Cote
Game.
Stugats
I think if you're parsing between Alabama and Ole Miss and Ole Miss loses that game. I mean, one loss. Absolutely not. Because there they'd be proving that they could win without Lane Kiffin. But say they drop that Egg bowl to Mississippi State. I do think that there are people on the committee that may take away a home game from.
Chris Cote
Do you realize that what you're doing there, if indeed anyone is doing that, and I don't believe they are, but if anyone is doing that, what you're doing, there might be one other coach in the entire sport. It'd be Signetti that you do that with. And you wouldn't do it with Signetti. Like you would not offer Signetti. Like Lane Kiffin would literally be the only person in the sport. You're asking that question.
Stugats
Greg Sanke must be emailing you because where is this passion when it comes to talking points? Utah propaganda and Miami's head to head.
Chris Cote
It's just a weird question that you're asking because it's not something I've ever considered.
Stugats
I mean, they make no sense. The Deer in Headlights spokesperson makes zero sense. Well, of course it would be something that could pop up out of nowhere.
Kristen Shilton
But it makes sense when it's the focal point of the team and not making it because of that thing happening.
Anthony Lima
Right.
Kristen Shilton
If it's Jordan Travis breaking his leg, why not just throw in a backup quarterback?
Chris Cote
But I don't think your play caller's gone.
Kristen Shilton
You're going to bring some guy from upstairs to call plays.
Chris Cote
I think Trinidad Chambliss is more important to what it is that they're doing and that if he was out, it.
Stugats
Would be more important Ferris State, but I hear you, but the guy that made Trinidad Chambliss a name, you know.
Chris Cote
But he's going to. He's going to forget how to. He's going to forget how to play.
Stugats
Football is Lane Kiffin.
Chris Cote
He's going to forget how to play football.
Ken Carman
I'm with you, but it's his play.
Stugats
There's a whole. Did you not see that show yesterday? There's a whole bunch of asinine shit that happened.
Pablo Torre
I think. No, I think there's an important distinction. Then you're kind of looking at it almost like it's basketball. Like, oh, no, he knows how to play. You can't roll the ball out in football. It is still play calling.
Stugats
It's play calling. It's prep, it's leadership.
Chris Cote
I'm not saying that Lane Kiffin's not important to what Mississippi does, but what you just did was make him the most important coach in all of college football. Because there's no second coach that you're asking that question about.
Stugats
Correct?
Chris Cote
I think you're not doing it with Ryan Day.
Stugats
Correct. I think that Lane Kiffin.
Jonathan Zaslow
There's gotta be other coaches.
Ken Carman
There has to be other play callers.
Stugats
That would be valuable in terms of being assigned the success of a program. He is the cult of personality. He is the name you think of when you think of that program, maybe for all time.
Jonathan Zaslow
I would say the drop off between if Lane Kiffin were to leave for the playoffs and whoever's going to wind up taking over for the postseason.
Stugats
Is it Charlie Weiss's kid? That's the oc.
Jonathan Zaslow
The drop off from Lane to that guy, I do think would be more significant than the drop off to say if they lost Trinidad Chambliss to whoever the backup is.
Stugats
Oh, my God, it is Charlie Weiss Jr. No, guys.
Jonathan Zaslow
You don't think so?
Chris Cote
No, guys, they've been working. Look, all year they've been working on whatever it is that they do offensively in practice. You need a good quarterback in order to do that. I don't assume That a backup quarterback can just come in and do what Trinidad Chambers is doing.
Jonathan Zaslow
Yeah, but it's a backup quarterback. Like a backup in the NFL.
Stugats
The backup quarterback for FSU won the ACC championship game for the quarterback I should produce for first take because this was a winner also if you look.
Kristen Shilton
In the NFL game.
Chris Cote
So this is funny. Breaking news here.
Stugats
Oh, my God. What?
Pablo Torre
Zaz got hacked again.
Jonathan Zaslow
Yo, you better not say anything about my Twitter man.
Chris Cote
Jordan Hudson, Bill Belichick's girlfriend just tweeted to Pablo Torre finds out. For being one of the best podcasts of 2025, you're welcome.
Jonathan Zaslow
No, Hetty, play.
Stugats
I mean, she's.
Chris Cote
It wasn't her podcast that was nominated as one of the episodes Stepping Stone. It was the stepping stone. They were a part of it. It was the Mississippi job. Jordan.
Stugats
It's amazing that it wasn't that episode.
Chris Cote
Also amazing here is that Pablo responded, of course, by inviting her on and that Bill Belichick attended her adult cheerleading competition last night and looked bored and tired. Yeah, Bird. Tony's so right. Yeah, he is. Pablo is shameless. Put it on the poll at Lebatard show. Is Pablo Torre more shameless than Donald.
Stugats
Trump when it comes to him?
Pablo Torre
I mean, God.
Kristen Shilton
Inviting people on your podcast 24. 7. Anytime I see a reply from Pablo, come on the podcast, like, dude, shut up.
Stugats
I'll take a stab at this question. No, the Lane Kiffin one or the.
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Chris Cote
Don LeBatard.
Jonathan Zaslow
I've never stepped foot on that campus.
Dan LeBatard
I.
Jonathan Zaslow
If you told me right now, your life depends on it. Go to Santa Fe University and just, just, just take a picture.
Stugats
Stugats.
Jonathan Zaslow
I would die. I don't know where it is. This is the Dan Levatar show with the st.
Pablo Torre
I'm surprised that she spelled you're welcome correctly.
Chris Cote
You just. You just said shut up. And I think that's something you should immediately take back.
Ken Carman
Shut up for a second here.
Chris Cote
Get me the entire sound there so that I can hear and that the audience can hear. How it is that that Cleveland radio host arrived. How quickly that radio host arrived after arguing about Shador Sanders at saying shut up and then immediately taking it back with a rare moment of self awareness. Because I, I really think that shut up in sports radio should escalate to no, you shut up. Or don't tell me to shut up. But the apology was so fast here that I believe that the shut up almost got drowned out by the apology.
Ken Carman
They used the term development. I didn't use the term development. That's not what you didn't. They just not. So I'm gonna blame them. That's not what this league is.
Stugats
Is.
Ken Carman
This doesn't matter what this league is, who they are. But this league is not. Kenny. About making sure to force feed a fifth round pick that should not have been drafted after they took a third round quarterback. That is not what this league is. We're not a charity case.
Stugats
We are.
Ken Carman
This league is not set up to make sure that man's son gets a thousand reps. I'm sorry, Josina. And I'm sorry, Ken. And I'm sorry. All these people that are trying to act like the Bronze are sabotaging him. He's a fifth round pick. I didn't say it was. What are you guys expecting? This league is about.
Pablo Torre
Hold on.
Ken Carman
Hold on. This isn't little league.
Chris Cote
Hold on.
Ken Carman
This is a T ball. We're not trying to foster some great environment for kids to learn. This is the NFL. This is not sports talk radio in Seattle. This is.
Anthony Lima
No.
Ken Carman
Shut up for a second here. Sorry. Ridiculous. I take that word away. Take the shut up part away. But let me get back to the. Get back to the matter because now.
Jonathan Zaslow
Why Seattle catch astray?
Pablo Torre
Dan, I think I have an explanation. Without happening to know anything just by reading the body language, the way he retracted that. Shut up. So Quickly. They must have had an HR violation in that office. At some point, somebody complained about the use of the word shut up. And it's a little hurtful and a little too grinding. And if we could really not do that anymore. And so he said it, and instantly his mind went back to the HR meeting. And that's when he went into immediate apology.
Ken Carman
Shut up for a second here. Sorry. Ridiculous. I take that word away. Take the shut up part away.
Chris Cote
Either that or.
Pablo Torre
Or his significant other has been on his ass about it.
Ken Carman
Shut up for a second here. Sorry. I take that word away. Take the shut up part away.
Jonathan Zaslow
It's a good question. Is it about HR or is about the wife? It's a good question.
Chris Cote
Put it on the poll at Lebatard show. Is shut up one word? Because I thought it was two words. One word.
Ken Carman
It could also be a parenting thing.
Chris Cote
Where he's told his kids, we don't say shut up in this house.
Ken Carman
And then he said it.
Chris Cote
He immediately was like, oh, no.
Ken Carman
My parenting.
Chris Cote
Do you realize in the way that they were discussing it? Okay. They kept interrupting each other. Okay. They were very good at interrupting each other to the point that the host got mad and said, shut up. Do you know how fast you have to be in order to get the apology in before the person's even been offended? Because he took it back almost before he'd finished saying the P and. Shut up.
Ken Carman
Shut up for a second here. Sorry. I take that word away. Take the shut up part away.
Pablo Torre
Shut up.
Chris Cote
Sorry to say that, Dan.
Pablo Torre
That's a conversation that's happened. That's a conversation specifically about the use of the word shut up. That's already happened. He says shut up instinctively. And then he realized, oh, shit, I don't want to get in trouble.
Ken Carman
Shut up for a second here. Sorry. Sound ridiculous. I take that word away. Take the shut up part away.
Dan LeBatard
Away.
Pablo Torre
What does he say back to him.
Ken Carman
After it sounds ridiculous for a second here. Sorry. Ridiculous. I take that word away. Take the shut up part away.
Chris Cote
That's okay, Ken.
Jonathan Zaslow
Oh, he was really forgiving.
Pablo Torre
So it's not. It's not. It's not him, then. It's definitely not.
Jonathan Zaslow
The Sounds like it sounds like Anthony understands that sometimes Ken loses control.
Ken Carman
Shut up for a second here. Sorry to sound ridiculous. I take that word away. Take the shut up part of it.
Chris Cote
At first, it's like you sound ridiculous.
Dan LeBatard
Oh, you just said sorry.
Chris Cote
It's okay.
Anthony Lima
Okay.
Pablo Torre
I forgive you because he's a good teammate, number one. But also number two, this tells me even More. It's an HR edict, man. That's not the wife at home saying, don't say it. It's not the wife saying about. Oh, the kids. You told them. Now you shut up. That's a. Hey, I don't want my teammate getting in trouble because we're having a good conversation.
Ken Carman
Shut up for a second here. Sorry. So ridiculous. I take that word away. Take the shut up part away.
Kristen Shilton
If we put up the picture of them arguing again, you can kind of tell who's the guy that's about to say shut up and who's not.
Anthony Lima
So Ken is a shade of red.
Chris Cote
That is shut up if they said it. It is absolutely radioactive colored. Brian Kelly. Yes, that is absolutely. What's happening there. You can tell by the. You can tell by the red in that man's face that there's a shut up coming. There's a. Well, there's just a temper control problem, like.
Ken Carman
Shut up for a second here. Sorry. Ridiculous. I take that word away. Take the shut up part away.
Kristen Shilton
Might be a therapist thing or like a doctor thing. Like, hey, Ken.
Ken Carman
That is the Ken Carmen show with.
Chris Cote
Anthony Lima on 92.3 the Fan in Cleveland.
Pablo Torre
Shout out to you.
Stugats
Get a little.
Kristen Shilton
Okay, we need you to be down here instead of up here. We need you to be Tanky tropi, okay? Not. Not aborotao.
Ken Carman
Shut up a second here. Sorry. Take that word away. Take the shut up part away.
Pablo Torre
I'd like to go back to Pablo for a second, if I may. And what he reposted, which is Bill Belichick spotted at a cheerleading competition in Raleigh, North Carolina. If I put the top 10 things that you would hate to have to do, but you do it because you love someone, where would going to an adult cheerleading competition rank for him? For him?
Chris Cote
Not. Not for just anybody. For him. You think maybe this gets him out of, like, Thanksgiving with her family? He's like, all right, no, I can't make it to Thanksgiving, but I will be to this thing you gotta do.
Jonathan Zaslow
I mean, he. He did a stupid photo shoot on this. On the beach with her. You know, that's got to ring pretty hard.
Dan LeBatard
That has to be up.
Kristen Shilton
He's had multiple stupid photo shoots on the beach.
Chris Cote
You guys say they're stupid photo shoots, but I don't feel like he was not enjoying the photo shoots. I can say without having seen anything that he did not enjoy the adult cheerleading competition.
Pablo Torre
I'm looking at the picture right now.
Chris Cote
He's not. He's. The picture looks like he's sleeping right he kind of has his eyes shut.
Pablo Torre
No, that's.
Chris Cote
That's the Bill down at a phone kind of situation.
Pablo Torre
That's the Bill Belichick, I'm pissed look. Yeah, I've seen that many a time on the sideline. Nah, man. This guy doesn't want to be there. Nobody wants to be there. Nobody wants to watch cheerleading, do they? Does anyone actually enjoy just the watching of.
Kristen Shilton
Be careful.
Chris Cote
Of course. I mean, of course, some people who.
Pablo Torre
Aren'T cheerleaders, obviously, for them, people who are into the cheerleading culture, it's a big deal. It's like me liking watching basketball. But if you're not into it, I just cannot imagine people like. Great. Let's watch these.
Chris Cote
Well, to answer your question, this may surprise you, but absolutely, I will stop on a choreographed dance routine, that is televised cheerleading competitions that they used to do on espn, and I would stop on those.
Anthony Lima
I'm an ally.
Chris Cote
I'm an ally. That's not even being an ally, Dan. I don't think that's an ally. I think that's simply something that a lot of people would stop on. I think that's why it was televised, Dan.
Pablo Torre
Not since Justin Long in dodgeball have I ever watched. Sat there and watched. Watched a. Cheerleading.
Chris Cote
Bring it on was last time for me.
Jonathan Zaslow
Oh, it's a good movie.
Chris Cote
Great movie.
Pablo Torre
Dodgeball is a great movie. What are you guys doing?
Jonathan Zaslow
I never seen dodgeball.
Pablo Torre
What?
Jonathan Zaslow
Whatever, man.
Kristen Shilton
This guy's a sucker. He's been a sucker since day one.
Jonathan Zaslow
You told you'd like.
Stugats
He's very wealthy in crypto.
Chris Cote
Hold on. We got a.
Kristen Shilton
Not anymore.
Chris Cote
I don't know how to do this, but I've been wanting to do a couple of different things. Okay. And I think this is one we can do with Zazzle. I don't know exactly how to do it. You guys. Help me think this out on any. If you don't get distracted by him being hacked or anything else.
Pablo Torre
I'm trying. Trying, Dan.
Jonathan Zaslow
Has anyone noticed that he's a sucker?
Pablo Torre
He's doing sucker things.
Chris Cote
I believe that getting a review of dodgeball from zsas, watching it for the first time would feel to me not unlike some of these videos in my algorithm that I watch of, for example, young people being introduced to in the Air Tonight or Stairway to Heaven or when a gener several generations removed from something that was popular. You get to watch the awe and discovery of someone hearing or watching something for the first time that you already like. I thought that we should do this. I requested this a couple of months ago. I thought we should do this with seminal sporting moments, that some of the young people around here might not have any sort of reference points for that the rest of us have enjoyed.
Stugats
Wide right.
Chris Cote
Just anything. It could be anything. It could be Marshawn lynch in a. In a golf cart on the cow field after the game, just doing wheelies in circles.
Stugats
Oh, so other teams, not just Florida State.
Chris Cote
What is your hacking update?
Jonathan Zaslow
You're asking me, Dan? I've been hacked.
Chris Cote
One tweet.
Jonathan Zaslow
I don't have access to my Twitter.
Ken Carman
There's no update.
Chris Cote
That one tweet went out. Nothing since.
Pablo Torre
Should we respond and interact with it?
Kristen Shilton
We can't.
Pablo Torre
We can't.
Kristen Shilton
We cannot because they blocked whoever it was. So the only person that you can reply to that tweet to is the person that they tagged. But I don't want to click the because then I might get hacked. And I'm not a sucker.
Stugats
I know this because I wanted to retweet it.
Pablo Torre
We can't, quote, tweet it.
Kristen Shilton
No, we can't do anything. I was gonna ask Grok, hey, did Kate. Grok, did Zaz get hacked, or is he a sucker?
Pablo Torre
I was gonna say, hey, Zaz, thanks. Like, kind of just pretend like it's still Zaz.
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Chris Cote
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Stugats
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Chris Cote
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Stugats
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Chris Cote
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Chris Cote
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Date: November 19, 2025
Broadcasting from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and the Meadowlark crew bring their signature blend of sports, pop-culture, and irreverent banter. In this episode, the team celebrates Pablo Torre's inclusion in Apple's Top 10 Podcasts of 2025, tackles the generational gap in comedy appreciation (with an Eddie Murphy focus), unpacks Lane Kiffin drama at Ole Miss, and turns Jonathan Zaslow’s Twitter hacking into comedic gold. The show buzzes with real-time reactions, rapid-fire poll ideas, and memorable radio fights, embodying the authentic chaos that fans love.
[03:05–07:28]
Chris Cote announces Apple’s top 10 podcast episodes of 2025. “Pablo Torre Finds Out”—specifically the episode delving into the Kawhi Leonard Clippers scandal—makes the list, prompting playful self-congratulation and banter about the nature of podcast fame.
Industry Reflection:
The group dissects how podcasting morphed from “cheap entertainment” to the media’s future, remarking on ESPN’s pivot:
[10:16–15:02]
A lively segment debates why younger fans may lack reverence for Eddie Murphy despite his seismic impact. Dan expresses frustration that legendary multi-talents—Murphy, Jamie Foxx—aren’t always respected by today's youth.
Pablo Torre: Draws parallels to Jay Z’s philosophy about repeating greats’ names so “a world of amnesia” won’t forget. Notes that “for a 25-year-old, most of them haven’t even heard of Raw or Delirious.” ([13:18])
Kristen Shilton: Highlights media’s role: “There weren’t specials on TV...that thing hasn’t been passed down. So nobody’s telling younger kids, hey, go check out Richard Pryor on YouTube.” ([13:23])
The crew jokes about near-miss movie castings (e.g., Charlie Sheen as Karate Kid, Jon Lovitz in Bad Boys), weaving 1990s nostalgia into the generational talk.
[18:58–29:37]
Discussion turns to Lane Kiffin’s appearance on Pat McAfee, swirling rumors about his departure from Ole Miss, and fan outrage. The hosts probe whether a coach can be so important that his absence should “penalize” a playoff contender.
The group debates playoff implications if Kiffin leaves.
[23:35–26:17, 43:55+]
The show abruptly shifts when Jonathan Zaslow’s Twitter account is hacked—his account starts pushing crypto scams, delighting the crew.
Kristen Shilton and Pablo debate whether it’s safe to engage with the hacked tweet: “I wanted to retweet it.” ([45:21])
The group roasts Zaslow repeatedly, calling him “sucker” and imagining punitive “Sucka of the Day” awards:
[36:13–40:23]
The show spotlights a viral clip from Ken Carman and Anthony Lima’s Cleveland sports talk show: Carman tells his cohost “shut up”—then instantly retracts it with a comical, HR-fearing apology.
[41:16–43:19]
Pablo brings up a photo of Bill Belichick looking miserable at his girlfriend’s adult cheerleading competition.
They reveal playful takes on televised cheerleading and the random things that make up the cultural sports sphere.
On podcast saturation:
On Eddie Murphy’s youthful greatness:
On Lane Kiffin/Ole Miss:
On Zaslow’s hack:
Ken Carman’s apology spiral:
| Time | Segment/Content |------------|---------------------------------------------------| | 03:05–07:28| Apple Top 10 podcast episode & Pablo’s celebration | 10:16–15:02| Comedy legacy debate—Eddie Murphy, generational memory | 18:58–29:37| Lane Kiffin, playoff politics & coach impact debates | 23:35–26:17| Zaslow’s Twitter hack – "Sucka of the Day" | 36:13–40:23| Ken Carman’s sports radio “shut up” and apology | 41:16–43:19| Belichick at cheerleading, relationship sacrifices
Fast-paced, playful, a bit chaotic, loaded with inside jokes and self-referential humor. The crew delights in catching each other off-guard, roasting their own, and polling their audience on absurd hypotheticals.
This episode captures why “The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz” is beloved: insightful yet unserious, affectionate roasts, and a team uniquely equipped to turn hacking incidents and podcast awards into gold. The sprawling conversation runs from podcast industry trends and generational culture to college football drama and hilarious radio breakdowns, making for a vibrant hour of sports and laughter.