The Big Suey: Zaslow's Source

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Episode: The Big Suey: Zaslow's Source
Date: December 1, 2025
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami
Host(s): Dan Le Batard, Stugotz
Contributors: Zaslow, Mike Ryan, Producers, Guest Analysts

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Overview

This episode dives deep into the business, drama, and backroom dealings of college football coaching changes—specifically, the high-stakes moves surrounding Lane Kiffin, LSU, Florida, and other SEC schools. Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and company offer inside reporting, bickering banter, and meta-commentary on journalistic credit and sourcing, all wrapped in their irreverent tone. Zaslow’s role as “insider” becomes a running comedic thread as the team both celebrates and undermines his reporting on these major sports stories.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Righteous Roy Rage & Miami’s 2000 Football Snub

• [02:13] Roy and the crew revisit Miami’s exclusion from the 2000 BCS title game, highlighting deep and lasting scars for Miami fans.
  • “He keeps going back to 2000. He keeps going back to a scar from 25 years ago when Miami was argued out of a championship.” – Stugotz
• Miami’s head-to-head win over FSU, polemics over early-season losses, and the absurdity of the BCS system are discussed.
  • “The loss in the first week of the season shouldn’t be carrying weight at the end of the year.” – Guest Analyst [03:17]

2. Lane Kiffin: Coaching Carousel & College Football’s Business

• [05:56] The crew dissects Lane Kiffin’s trajectory, characterizing him as college football’s ultimate mercenary.
  • “Lane Kiffin is the greatest of the used car salesmen who has realized...what used to be one loss kills you...Unbeaten doesn't matter anymore.” – Stugotz
• Discussion on Kiffin’s moves from Boca to Mississippi and now to LSU, with talk on how college coaching has become a high-dollar, cutthroat business.
  • “It’s a business venture. If you told him...you’re going to be able to springboard this into the LSU job, he would have said, ‘Yup, can we speed it up?’” – Stugotz [06:12]
  • “The burning path that Lane Kiffin has built to this rehabilitation is staggering.” – Stugotz [06:03]

3. The Coaching Scoop: Zaslow’s Role and the Insider Game

• [08:01] Zaslow claims he broke news of Lane Kiffin to LSU on ESPN Radio, but laments lack of credit.
  • “No one seems to give me that hat tip.” – Zaslow [08:09]
• Mike Ryan’s contributions as an information conduit are debated; Dan and Stugotz riff on the tangled web of sources.
  • “Mike Ryan knows the people who are talking about the things...” – Stugotz [08:30]
  • “You get it from me. You just revealed the source.” – Dan Le Batard [09:35]
• Comedy ensues as Dan and Zaslow accuse each other of leaking, with texts read aloud as evidence.
  • “I’ll go to jail before I really reveal my source.” – Zaslow [23:40]

4. Florida, LSU & Auburn: Ripple Effects of Coaching Moves

• [18:11 and 24:13] They run through the dominoes set off by Lane Kiffin's move:
  • John Sumrall considered for both LSU and Florida, eventually accepts Florida after being a pawn.
  • Scott Strickland at Florida faced booster revolt and sought a controllable head coach. “He wants to control the head coach...he doesn’t want a strong personality.” – Dan Le Batard [24:54]
  • Brian Kelly’s firing at LSU was partly prompted by the timing of these moves.

5. The Press & The Grind: Marty Smith’s 36-Hour Chase

• [13:05, 35:15] Marty Smith’s odyssey chasing Lane Kiffin around Mississippi becomes a symbol of media insanity.
  • “You cannot be near that brown lake in Mississippi and chase Lane Kiffin around for 36 hours without being made totally crazy.” – Stugotz [13:05]
  • Memorable Clip: Marty Smith (via Stugotz):
    • “Will there be a resolution tonight? Please God in heaven, tell me yes.” [35:15]
• Lane Kiffin later compliments Smith for going “off road around the fire trucks to get here.” [36:34]

6. Money, Loyalty, and the Absurdity of Modern College Football

• [32:00] Kiffin is prevented from coaching Ole Miss in final games, to prevent him “stealing the kids.”
  • “Lane Kiffin is going to be outside your building trying to steal your kids.” – Stugotz [37:18]
  • “It’s not about the kids. It’s not even about the CFP. This is all about money.” – Dan Le Batard [31:59]
• Questions are raised about loyalty, recruitment, and calendar oddities (like early signing periods during the playoff run).
• The status of “integrity” for programs spurned by famous coaches is satirized:
  • “At that point, all you have is your integrity.” – Dan Le Batard [40:30]

7. The “Top Five” Coaching Drama Takeaways

• Repeatedly interrupted, Dan and the gang eventually cover:
  1. John Sumrall’s Pawn-to-Player Arc
     • Initially a decoy, ultimately got offers from Auburn and Florida. [18:29 and 42:39]
  2. Scott Strickland’s Dilemma at Florida
     • Embattled, desperate for a controllable coach.
  3. Timing of Brian Kelly (LSU) and Billy Napier (Florida) Firings
     • Lane Kiffin was viewed as all but locked for Florida until LSU intervened.
  4. The Money Arms Race
     • The meteoric rise in SEC coaching salaries: Missouri’s Drinkwitz at $10–$12M, Lane Kiffin at $12M+.
  5. Lane Kiffin’s Play-Caller Mercenary Approach
     • “He’s not willing to recruit. He’s just there to call plays...” – Stugotz [27:40]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Lane Kiffin is the greatest of the used car salesmen…what used to be one loss kills you. Unbeaten doesn’t matter anymore.”
  • Stugotz [05:56]
• “No one seems to give me that hat tip.”
  • Zaslow on being a scoop-less insider [08:09]
• “I’ll go to jail before I really reveal my source.”
  • Zaslow [23:40]
• “Please God in heaven, tell me yes.”
  • Marty Smith (via Stugotz, quoting a text) on chasing Lane Kiffin [35:15]
• “Lane Kiffin is going to be outside your building trying to steal your kids.”
  • Stugotz [37:18]
• “He has to live here, which makes it sound like…as I take off in a private jet. He has to live in the community. But it’s also the slight of you have to live here. I never wanted to live here.”
  • Dan Le Batard, dissecting Lane’s quote [39:32]
• “At that point, all you have is your integrity.”
  • Dan Le Batard on spurned universities [40:30]
• “It’s asinine. It’s just the silliest of the Stupidity.”
  • Stugotz [42:20]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [02:13]–[03:59]: Righteous Roy’s Miami-BCS suffering, FSU debate.
• [05:56]–[07:34]: Lane Kiffin’s career arc, business behind coaching moves.
• [08:01]–[10:06]: Zaslow’s scoop laments, sourcing inside baseball.
• [13:05]–[13:44]: Marty Smith’s misery chasing Lane Kiffin.
• [18:11]–[28:46]: The Top Five: sumrall, Strickland, layoffs, salaries, and power plays.
• [35:15]–[36:19]: Marty Smith’s comically desperate coverage.
• [36:34]–[38:32]: Lane Kiffin’s tarmac interview: money, loyalty, Ole Miss fallout.

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Tone and Language

• Conversational, irreverent, heavily self-referential.
• Inside jokes, meta-journalistic banter, and knowing asides about the absurdity of college sports and media.
• Frequent crosstalk, interruptions, and affectionate mockery.

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Final Thoughts

The episode masterfully blends real reporting with comedic self-deprecation, offering both genuine insider info and a parody of how “insider culture” works. As Lane Kiffin’s job changes dominate the headlines, the show satirizes both the spectacle of college football coaching and the reporting circus around it. Zaslow’s search for credit, Marty Smith’s misadventures, and the mad money of SEC jobs all reflect the crazy, ruthless modern era of college sports.

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For More

If you want to understand the business, drama, and theatrical absurdity of college football’s coaching carousel—in true LeBatard Show fashion—this episode is an essential listen.

Transcript

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[Stugats]

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[Zaslow]

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[Stugats]

Before I get to one of the rarest of things ever seen around here, the Righteous Roy Rage. Because we have converted and I think this might just be Jeremy that converted it. But I don't think I've ever seen Roy this impassioned about feeling wronged around sports because he keeps going back to 2000. He keeps going back to a scar from 25 years ago when Miami was argued out of a championship back then in a way that was clearly unreasonable to anybody who's ever watched football.

[Zaslow]

And it's also important to point out as well, not just that they didn't qualify for the game, but the team that made it ahead of them scored two points in the championship.

[Dan Le Batard]

It is ridiculous. Now, granted, yes, they lost to Washington, who was 15th ranked, right. But they worked their way back up the seventh in the AP pole, beat Florida.

[Zaslow]

It was the first game of the year. Washington second.

[Dan Le Batard]

Second.

[Guest Analyst]

The first game of the year shouldn't have crazy relevance.

[Stugats]

Zaslo.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hmm.

[Guest Analyst]

The loss in the first week of the season shouldn't be carrying weight at the end of the year.

[Stugats]

Hm.

[Guest Analyst]

How interesting how your argument changes 25 years later when your program is benefiting from it.

[Stugats]

Roy, he's talking, talking to you. No, we can't shut him up.

[Producer/Contributor]

I'm with Roy.

[Stugats]

He's.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's.

[Stugats]

James.

[Dan Le Batard]

That was, that was a rough year. That was a night. Remember, Oregon also beat Washington, so they also had like a weird head to head argument.

[Zaslow]

Forget about that. The argument's Miami and fsu.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. Miami was ranked number two in all the polls, but the BCS had Miami behind fsu, who Miami beat earlier in that year. The game, the national title game was the Orange bowl, If you remember, 13 to 2. Yeah.

[Zaslow]

What a disgrace.

[Dan Le Batard]

Man, that was a. Miami would have rolled. That Oklahoma team would have killed them.

[Zaslow]

They absolutely would have and killed them.

[Dan Le Batard]

And they beat number two Virginia Tech.

[Stugats]

Okay, look, I have found it interesting, okay, I really have found this interesting, what we're about to talk about, because Lane Kiffin is the greatest of the used car salesmen who has realized through the bowels of what Nick Saban built, oh, we're gonna dilute all this shit so much that what used to be one loss kills you. One loss kills you. So that we still remember 20 years later. All right? Dorsey went up to Washington and lost on the road in the game of the season. Otherwise Miami's unbeaten, right? But unbeaten doesn't matter anymore. Like, that's ridiculous. Ohio State and Indiana are going to play and all that unbeaten gets them is a buy, which isn't. It's not nothing. But it's still not much considering what the stakes of that game would be. And this is the best Indiana team we've ever seen. Right. Like, this is the top of the sport. Can now be run by grifter Lane Kiffin being most griftery because he does not care about whatever you think the sanctuary of sports are. It's a business venture. And if you told him when he got to Mississippi day, sign, hey, Lane, you're going to be able to springboard this into the LSU job, he would have said, yep. Can we speed it up? Can we make that faster? Because I'm only here to get there. I'm only here. Like, this is as cutthroat as any we've seen in terms of cutting through the bullshit of what the bureaucracy of this machine is, the economy of it. Lane Kiffett ruled it just because Florida wanted something. And LSU said, now, we've been embarrassed enough by Brian Kelly and we're going to fix it right now. With 13 and 25 for his career against ranked teams that has never had expectations. Lane Kiffin, like, not in college sports. Because what. Lane, The. The burning path that Lane Kiffin has built to this rehabilitation is staggering. Where it's like, yep, 12 million a year. I'll take whatever job I want. I won't recruit. It's just for play. Call it. Get me the athletes. I'll call the plays, and I'll do something here that feels surgical because I did it with small players at fau and I could. I could take it anywhere. And Mississippi. I don't care about you. Yeah, I'll do the whole Marty Smith D in a. In a barn or a field. But I never. Lane Kiffin was always Boca. Lane Kiffin was never Mississippi. Lane Kiffin went to Mississippi just so that he could get back to something that felt more like Boca. Can I get to the Tampa Bay Bucks head coaching job? Can I get back to Florida?

[Zaslow]

But how different is Baton Rouge?

[Stugats]

That's. Baton Rouge is. It's different than Mississippi. Look, Mississippi. Mississippi is the poorest Mississippi in our country. Has a lot of poverty that you feel everywhere. And the fact that he's won by what he was calling a brown leg to rehabilitate himself so that he could get to the point where he could choose between LSU and Florida. And Florida could get its SEC feelings hurt because lsu, Big Boyd, him. Lsu, after embarrassing themselves in the Brian Kelly sweepstakes, they want to play at the top of the sport, and they're willing to give the job to just call the plays like, we don't care what Else you do just call the plays for our athletes because we've got the athletes to beat Oklahoma on the road. And you. And we feel like we can win with Les Miles and we can win with Ed Orgeron and we're lsu. We deserve to be at the top of this conference. To see the business of this play out over the weekend. It was greasy, it was gross, and it's the truest thing you'll ever see. Like, it's Lane Kiffin cut through the swamp of this just to get to Baton Rouge. And then the next job, he hopes will be whatever the professional one is when he gets to be a genius, because everybody wants him to be the next Saban.

[Zaslow]

At what point when he was preying on what decision to make, did he realize, I should also threaten my coaching staff? They have to come with me now or never come at all.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't know how real that part was. I mean, clearly a lot of the coaches.

[Zaslow]

The praying part.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, about the threat. More. More so the implications, as it might have been implied. But the entire offensive staff appears to be on that plane with Lane to Baton Rouge.

[Stugats]

Can I go down this path, please? Because, Zaz, I know that you've been close to this, to college football. You've done some reporting. You were the first to report.

[Zaslow]

I reported over a week ago on ESPN Radio. No one seems to give me that hat tip.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, that's incredible. You're not getting credit for reporting this accurately.

[Stugats]

Wait a minute.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's amazing. You.

[Stugats]

Okay, so he did report, though, on espn. Lane Kiffin was going to lsu. But Mike Ryan has also learned a great deal about the business of this and was texting both me and.

[Zaslow]

You're on the come up. Mike, I'll admit.

[Dan Le Batard]

Thank you.

[Stugats]

Me and Zaz all weekend before the news broke. Look, Mike Ryan knows the people who are talking about the things that would sort of give him information around Lane Kiffin that I believe he has that no one else would have just because Mike sort of looking at all of this, interested in the business of it, but also with some journalistic standards of his own. And so the information he's giving you.

[Dan Le Batard]

I know you're asking that as a question, like, we kicked his ass because.

[Zaslow]

He wanted me to confirm.

[Dan Le Batard]

I can confirm. We kicked everybody's ass on Elaine's story. Like we were a week, week ahead of everything. Yeah, we were telling you who was faking it, what was posturing. We were told you. We were telling you what was going to happen.

[Zaslow]

And then we learned who doesn't have Any journalistic integrity, because I didn't see any of them credit me.

[Stugats]

So I'll get back to that.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't like this.

[Stugats]

No, it's as well. It's not a bit sad.

[Dan Le Batard]

So the one where he texts me what's going to happen and then takes credit for it. I don't like it.

[Zaslow]

I don't know what you're talking about. Don't worry about how I. How I get my information. You know what? That's exactly how I'm going to leave it. Don't worry. That was actually a good line. Don't worry how I got my information.

[Dan Le Batard]

You get it from me. You just reveal the source.

[Zaslow]

Do you not hear what I said?

[Dan Le Batard]

You don't reveal sources.

[Zaslow]

Don't worry how I got my information.

[Stugats]

He's not. He's just saying. He's just protecting his journalistic standards.

[Dan Le Batard]

I should learn from him.

[Stugats]

Look, you're in the shadows of. You've known everything that's going on here. And I do believe people need to see with the maximum sort of reported details because we've learned in recent years that some insiders are bought and that no one could ever buy me the.

[Zaslow]

Information unless they give me enough money.

[Stugats]

Mike, you have to have been on the inside of what felt dirty. Where Lane Kiffin is treating all of this is like, privately, I'm the coach who gives the least amount of bleeps. I don't care whether I coach the last game or not. I mean, I'd like to.

[Zaslow]

I think he cared.

[Dan Le Batard]

He did. But it's not for the reasons that everyone's saying. Yeah, he wants to be there for the kids and win a national title. That's. That's on the list. But the last week of posturing has been just, are we going to fire Lane or is LSU going to give us money for taking him? This is all about Lane wanting his contract and LSU coming to the table and Ole Miss not wanting to have to pay Lane to fire him, even though they told him you can't come in to work. So that's what's been happening over the last week. Lane made his decision last Friday. As we told you during that show, there's a decision happening today, and it doesn't look like it's going to be Florida. The last week has been, let's see what happens in the SEC title game, and let's argue about, are we going to fire you or is LSU going to pay us to take you? And that fight is still going on.

[Zaslow]

What would have happened if Auburn came back and won that game Saturday night because we were all sitting around waiting all day long for the decision that expected. And then it became a thing where it's like, all right, well, what if Auburn wins tonight? That's clearly what we're waiting for. Now, what if Auburn did win that game?

[Dan Le Batard]

I happen to think. Not happen to know, but I think if Ole Miss was in that SEC title game, then a loss again can hurt them because the committee could say, look, your coach is leaving. You have two losses now. You're not going to be the same team going forward.

[Zaslow]

Oh, you think the committee could possibly penalize teams for losing in the conference championship game?

[Dan Le Batard]

It's in their criteria. It's literally spelled out.

[Zaslow]

They didn't do that last year.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's spelled out. I think they're good because they won the Egg Bowl. But if they lost the Egg Bowl, I can tell you, like, they'd be out. They'd be out.

[Stugats]

I really did think. Okay, let me backtrack a little bit on this Lane story because, Mike, I'd like you to gather yourself and just give me the five most interesting morsels that you have seen in just being interested on how the mechanics of all of this works, where Lane Kiffin goes through the Nick Saban path of rehab to professional coaches. Stop here for a second before they get on to that next thing Sarkeesian got. Sarkeesian got the best job in the sport and got it fairly quickly. So. And Cristobal, after failing at fiu, leaving fiu, how would we approach fired? Fired at fiu.

[Dan Le Batard]

I was on Pete Garcia.

[Stugats]

Okay, but fine. But ends up rehabilitating his career by going through Nick Saban. I'd like the five most interesting things you have. I felt bad for Marty Smith this weekend. I've been calling Marty Smith. I keep checking in on him. He has aged a great deal over the course of the weekend.

[Producer/Contributor]

That seems like Photoshop chasing.

[Stugats]

No, this is how. This is what happened to Marty. He's very healthy and he's fit, but you cannot be near that brown lake in Mississippi and chase Lane Kiffin around for 36 hours without being made totally crazy. That's the worst assignment of Marty Smith's career. That man's been on the White House lawn throwing a football. This. He didn't. He didn't live to dodge fire trucks in Mississippi trying to get to the bottom of whether Lane Kiffin is going to get his next grift at Florida, LSU or stay at Mississippi for all the money in the world.

[Zaslow]

It's not Nick Saban that was out there as the college coach. Free agent Lane Kiffin has never coached a playoff game. It's crazy the coverage that we've done over this.

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[Zaslow]

Don Levatard.

[Stugats]

Mike Bryan's in there and he's the one with a baby. He's the one who's gotta like worry about what the future is. And Mike Ryan bet on DraftKings because Mike Ryan bet on us. This is the bet you're afraid of doubling down on putting up a billboard in Edmonton.

[Dan Le Batard]

Stugats. I care more about Matthew Tkachuk than I do my daughter.

[Zaslow]

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[Stugats]

It is sheer lunacy. But it's about fame. It's what they've done with the mercenary. Brian Kelly will buy your coach. Oh, you're embarrassing. Nevermind. Marcus Freeman is the new hot thing. Brian Kelly, you're out. Like we'll burn through it quicker now because LSU has the, has the money allegedly to get in the game. Because when I read, if you guys are reading any of the details on how Brian Kelly and LSU were fighting over this money and how silly some of it was and in some cases they don't always know if they have the money. They'll sort of just figure it out by bringing a swirl around their program. Look, Colorado is going to pay for years of Colorado football just because what Deion did with what we were doing with coaches. So of course if that's what we're going to make the coaches as the hood ornaments of the business. Are you famous What Lane Kiffin is. It's not win or win with expectations. What Lane Kiffin has done the best in his rehab tour, it because he, he has called plays. That's right up there. But it's also being a personality of renegade that says bleep you who clearly doesn't seem to care very much what you think of him in any sort of way professionally or personal. But we'll say after the slate of games this weekend, the most important game is the one I'm going to tonight with my son Knox. That's the only sport game that matters.

[Dan Le Batard]

And we told you, Knox had all the influence here when it came to Lane going to lsu. All right, I have a top five. And it's not just about Lane. It's about all the ramifications of Lane's decision. And all this stuff is button up journalistically in a way that you're not getting anywhere else. Number one, John.

[Stugats]

Number five.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, yeah, Number five. John Sumrall was initially kind of a joke at the start of this entire process.

[Stugats]

John Sumrall. Mike, do you not know how to play this game? Do you want to start?

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, there's a lot of dance here.

[Stugats]

Look, let me. No, you're not dancing.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, all right, let's start it again.

[Producer/Contributor]

Let's always start with one or five.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, I got it. No more interruptions. Here we go. Number five. John Sumrall was initially a joke in this experience. Auburn. And Auburn was being applied a lot of pressure from LSU and Florida when there were initial leaks about John Sumrall being linked to both LSU and Florida. And part of that was LSU and Florida were trying to get John Sumrall hired over at Auburn.

[Stugats]

Did you Zaslo report anything about this on espn?

[Zaslow]

Yeah, I said Summerall was going to be announced as the Florida Gator head coach on Sunday before Mike or I said than on Friday night.

[Dan Le Batard]

That before me. But after my text to him.

[Zaslow]

Yo, what I already tell you about that.

[Dan Le Batard]

I have the proof.

[Stugats]

This is a very awkward situation that we have going on.

[Zaslow]

I want people to come out against.

[Producer/Contributor]

Adam Schefter like that. But I told Adam.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, number four.

[Stugats]

Are you using Zaz as a puppet, number four?

[Dan Le Batard]

No. Someone's being used, and it's very clearly.

[Stugats]

Me, number four, that is just checking.

[Producer/Contributor]

In on you is Mike. How's it going?

[Stugats]

Yeah, I didn't know. How do you know?

[Zaslow]

I got it from you.

[Stugats]

Look, Zaz has been reporting things weeks ahead of everybody else. Weeks ahead of. Accurately. He hasn't gotten a thing wrong. Wrong yet.

[Dan Le Batard]

Correct.

[Lane Kiffin (Interviewee)]

Maybe.

[Guest Analyst]

Maybe you're.

[Zaslow]

Maybe you're like my third source.

[Stugats]

You referred. You referred to Kiffin to LSU as done a week ago?

[Zaslow]

Yep, over a week ago.

[Stugats]

Why are your things not getting traction?

[Zaslow]

I don't know. That's what I already said. Anyone out there who tweets out about Lane Kiffin and some role too, for that matter, and you don't do that hat tip. You know. You know about that hat tip, Dan, That's. You do the H and you do the slash and the T. That means you're giving somebody credit on Twitter. That's how hat tip works.

[Stugats]

Just it's. I shouldn't be.

[Zaslow]

Have some integrity.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know how top fives work.

[Producer/Contributor]

That stands for hat tip.

[Stugats]

That does stand for hat tip.

[Producer/Contributor]

Why did I think it was hat tip?

[Stugats]

No, but I think Zazlo deserves more than this. Zaslow is breaking the news and not getting any credit for being an insider.

[Dan Le Batard]

What is serious?

[Stugats]

What is the list of things? Yeah.

[Producer/Contributor]

Okay.

[Zaslow]

So there was Lane Kiffin also.

[Producer/Contributor]

Is your list or Mike's?

[Stugats]

Where are we?

[Zaslow]

This is. This is the list. I came in here three Mondays ago, I think it was. And what did I say that morning? I said, nico Harrison gon get fired today.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think you posed it as a question.

[Zaslow]

Nope.

[Stugats]

No. No. He. No, no.

[Producer/Contributor]

But it was still a good thought of, like, could he get fired today? Like, you did it.

[Zaslow]

You pronounced report wrong. It was a good report. Nico Harrison got fired that day.

[Stugats]

It wasn't a question. It was a report. Did we forget to say it? Yeah. He came into the meeting with that news and it broke two hours later.

[Zaslow]

True.

[Stugats]

My fault. My fault.

[Dan Le Batard]

I have bombshell reporting here. Please read what is on your screen right now. This is a timestamp stamp from Friday.

[Zaslow]

This is unprecedented.

[Dan Le Batard]

You can go ahead and read word for word, play by play.

[Zaslow]

Source outing the reporter.

[Dan Le Batard]

Read play by play here if you'd like.

[Zaslow]

Unprecedented what is happening here?

[Dan Le Batard]

Can you go ahead and read this? Friday421. It's freezing here in Norman. I'm completely unprepared for this weather. Worse than last week. I'm embarrassed. That is a text. Can you confirm that this is a text from you?

[Zaslow]

True story.

[Dan Le Batard]

True story.

[Zaslow]

Alright.

[Dan Le Batard]

I just volunteered at 17 in Pittsburgh. And what you were dealing with 40 degrees in.

[Zaslow]

Yeah, but it was really windy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Zaz goes, do you have a coat? I don't. I didn't even bring my hooded sweatshirt.

[Zaslow]

Yeah, see, I'm just checking in on you here.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, I'm like, yes, I brought that because I'm an adult, Zaz. I'm embarrassed. And then let's scroll down. This is still Friday. Summerall to Florida will be announced Sunday. Lena LSU tomorrow. I'm going to announce it on ESPN tonight. Your intentions are spelled out.

[Zaslow]

You know what?

[Dan Le Batard]

Me saying. I'm gonna stop telling you. You just slapped me in the face with such a.

[Zaslow]

You know what? You know what? Leave that on the screen. This is not even a betrayal. Dan, calm down. You don't even have to be upset for me, okay? Because nowhere here. Thank you for the proof. Thank you, Mike, for helping me out here. Because nowhere did I ask for anything. I didn't ask any questions. You just all of a sudden, you.

[Dan Le Batard]

All of a sudden, you like evidence.

[Zaslow]

That you've asked some roll to Florida will be announced Sunday. Lane to LSU tomorrow. I read that on my end. I'm like, yeah, I already know that. So I'm going to tell Mike. Are you arguing on ESPN tonight?

[Dan Le Batard]

Hold on. Be here. Are you arguing that you never ask me what's going to happen?

[Zaslow]

I'm telling you, I got that text in this situation.

[Dan Le Batard]

I got that text, too.

[Zaslow]

I already knew this.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hmm. Oh, it was just implied, like, of course. Why is this guy telling me the.

[Zaslow]

Obvious shit you just all of a sudden decided.

[Dan Le Batard]

Number four. Number four.

[Stugats]

Wait, wait. Just. We'll get to number four in a second, Mike. I do want to come back here, though. In defense of Zaz here.

[Dan Le Batard]

What are you doing? Well, because in defensive, he is sure just. It is obvious what he is doing.

[Zaslow]

Head to head has first.

[Stugats]

First of all, it's obvious what you're doing, which is trying to out yourself as a source when he's. He has not confirmed that you're a source. And what I thought was jail for my gaslight. Put it back up on the screen, please. What I initially thought was you providing clear and obvious proof that you were the one that gave Zaz that information.

[Zaslow]

I'll go to jail before I really reveal my source.

[Stugats]

These tax exchanges do not confirm your case. Because it could be read that Zaslow was saying to you.

[Zaslow]

Exactly.

[Stugats]

Yeah. I'm going to report it tonight. And you're saying, I'm never telling you anything again. I don't care. And you saying you don't care. I'm an insider. I don't need you sick.

[Zaslow]

You know, that was Mike played yourself.

[Stugats]

Put it on the poll, please. At lebitage show. Did Mike Ryan play himself? Number four. Mike.

[Dan Le Batard]

I would like some context there. Number four. Scott Strickland in all this. Scott Strickland is the ad. So remember what I told you. Number five. I know we have quite an amount of time that it's gone between number five and number four. I'm aware of that. So initially, John Sumrall was just being invoked as kind of force Auburn's hand. Once it became clear last Friday that Lane Kiffin was not going to Florida. Florida has a problem on their hands because they were convinced Lane was going there. They were convinced, and now they have to go to a backup plan. Scott Strickland, he has got a booster issue, and he's embattled over there despite being on a hot seat even though he won a national title. Basketball.

[Zaslow]

They're also a basketball school.

[Dan Le Batard]

He won a national title, and yet he's on the hot seat. So he's got a clash. Boosters that feel wronged by Lane Kiffin because he kind of did wrong them that want to make a huge splash and him seizing on this opportunity, like the Lane thing was a Lane thing. But now I want a head coach that I can control, and I don't want to go after Lincoln Riley like you're telling me to. I don't want to go after Dabo like you're telling me to. We're losing time here. We can't get caught with our pants down even more. We have to hit this ground running. So after John Sumrall initially canceled a meeting with Florida because he knew he was a pawn in all of this, they come back to John Sumrall and offer him him half wasn't their first choice. Eli Drinkwitz over at Missouri was. But Scott Strickland kind of wants to control the head coach. He doesn't want a strong personality over there. And in digging on Eli, he realized he kind of pushed out the last AD in Mizzou. I don't like that I'm going with Sumrall.

[Stugats]

So there's a lot of information there, Zaslow. And I want to tackle some of it here, because in the business of sport, what everyone just saw publicly is after stumbling through the Brian Kelly stuff, LSU still looked over in Florida and said, no, we want him.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's number three. Brian Kelly got fired because Billy Napier got fired. That's why it timed out the way that it did, because everyone knew Lane was going to Florida. This was an open secret. The grounds. The plans were laid down on the ground for this, like, two years ago. If everybody knew. If Billy Napier struggled, Lane Kiffin was going to be the guy. Under normal circumstances, Brian Kelly would finish the season. But these weren't normal circumstances. LSU wanted to throw its bleep on the table and say, you think you're getting Lane Kiffin? We're a much better job. We're not this clown show. Even though we're the governor's getting involved. We'll tidy it up, and we'll offer Lane the same amount of money. And if all things are equal, we're the better job by the way Sumrall ended up accepting an offer for half of what Florida was offering Lane Kennedy.

[Stugats]

Given so that deserves more fanfare there. I also just he happens to know yeah I mean that okay but I thought literal fanfare as opposed because he.

[Dan Le Batard]

Says yeah.

[Producer/Contributor]

That felt like I happened.

[Zaslow]

To know within the top five but.

[Stugats]

Just and and as you see the tectonic plate shift on salaries because I mean you're looking at Missouri and Vanderbilt are in the SEC game. They they've never played in the that actual top tier before. Right. So this is Vanderbilt's first 1010 win season ever I think and Missouri just got drinkwits 10 to 11 million dollars a year. 12 million dollars a year as Lane goes to LSU for 12 million dollars a year.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's going to be more than that summer all in Eli share an agent too so that that was ever present.

[Stugats]

Here the the shifting of away from Brian Kelly into the next hot thing. It's funny and it's short sighted but let's get to number two here because the amazing thing about Lane again I keep saying it 13 and 25 against ranked teams. He's not willing to recruit. He's just there to call plays and be the face for your program. Like this is a person who's saying with not a great winning record against ranked teams, I'm only willing so hard to work at these parts of the job. The one I want to do is I call plays on Saturday. That's what I do. Get me the best players and I'll run your business from calling plays on Saturday.

[Dan Le Batard]

And just the brand alone guarantees you top five in high school recruiting. Ole Miss does really well in recruiting, but they have to hit the portal hard over there and Lane isn't really built for year in year out consistency over at Ole Miss because it's tougher to recruit high school kids. You have one of the best, most talent rich high school football states in the nation In Louisville you already have an nil squad over there and the support from an athletic department that has all these templates that you can plug and play and Lane Kiffin is actually reveling in that.

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[Zaslow]

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[Stugats]

Stugats is this chum bucket.

[Zaslow]

This is the Don Levatar show with the stugats.

[Stugats]

If I can just for the history of what LSU is as it comes in in big boys, Florida. Okay, did I say Louisville?

[Dan Le Batard]

I meant Louisiana.

[Stugats]

Nick Saban knows that you climb through that portion of the swamp, get the best players you can build your Alabama elsewhere, just get the best players. It's pretty simple what Nick Saban built. I can't believe that he was able to sustain it with distance for such a long time. But it's his greatest regret, he says of his career, is that he went to that he didn't stay at lsu, that he feels like he could have built all of that at LSU and he could have so much so that what he left in his wake even in that conference before it became the thing that birthed Missouris and Vanderbilts all of a sudden that are now profit center out of nowhere. Vanderbilt's first 10 win season ever then wins championships for two people in Ed Orgeron and Les Miles. That's let's just say more of the Neanderthal version of whatever the play caller Lane Kiffin Mercenary is Les Miles and Ed Orgeron aren't the reason the program won. Ed Orgeron had the best team I've ever seen in college football is always.

[Zaslow]

Going to be on Link Hiffin's staff, I think.

[Stugats]

So he'll be recruiting rooting.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, it's pretty cool. I told you there's real steam behind that.

[Stugats]

So where are we real behind that? I told you there's real steam behind that scene.

[Producer/Contributor]

I don't have imaging for that.

[Stugats]

I should have new imaging I think.

[Dan Le Batard]

That there's real steam. Well, Dan, let me ask you a question because you're an Ed Orgeron insider. You see him running on the beach. Have you seen him running on the beach in the last week? I have not been running in the bayou.

[Stugats]

Okay. He said he'd take his truck in a day to go meet Lane Kiff and. And do the.

[Dan Le Batard]

Worked on his staff.

[Stugats]

Do the recruiting for him.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, he's worked. Worked on his staff before. So number two in all this, Lane daring Ole Miss to fire him. It's not the kids. I told you this. It's not about the kids. It's not even about the cfp. This is all about money. I understand. It seems like the most obvious thing in the world, Ole Miss being like, we don't want you to be coaching here because you're just going to try to steal our players while you're actively doing it. Signing day is in January. Why would we have a lame duck head coach that will only be. Yeah, me. I'm sure he'll try to be winning the games, but he's going to be in that building with our kids trying to steal our guys. I get that. But now you've guaranteed that he's going to be outside your building trying to steal your kids. So there's an argument to be made to just have Lane Kiffin stick around. But I get why Ole Miss is burned and didn't want that. What's going to be fascinating to see is how does this actually shake out? Is he getting fired because he wants to come into work and he's being told no? Or is his buyout going to be paid by. By lsu? I think all that stuff is still being figured out.

[Zaslow]

How can anyone think it'd be appropriate for him to continue coaching the team for what they would hope? What they would hope would be another month and a half. All right.

[Producer/Contributor]

I think some Rawls coaching Tulane situation.

[Zaslow]

How can anyone think it's okay for. Let's say we're at the beginning of January and instead of getting ready to play in the national semifinal, Lane Kiffin is out recruiting and putting stuff together for. Oh, yeah, the other team in the sec. Same league. The other team in the SEC that also coaches.

[Stugats]

The lack of perspective that allows a sentence to, you know, just hit off the stray End of the business of this is we can't have Lane around the kids. He'll steal them.

[Guest Analyst]

He's going to be outside your building trying to steal your kids is a real sentence.

[Stugats]

No, but it's how you Pissed how you build the program. Well, okay, so let's, let's examine for a second the real deep history because I don't know what your number one is here on Lane. Let me be clear about this. I think this is understood, is it not? What Lane Kiffin does not give a. About your construct on what you think the business of sports are. He has less given off than anybody. And so Lane Kiffin, controlling the entire sport and being covered like he's Nick Saban, sends Marty Smith out. Where was he? He's moving around fire trucks. Marty Smith had a very bad 36 hours. I'm trying to get a hold of Marty. Marty is all of a sudden hard to get a hold of. That's never been the case before. But Marty, I am saying that the last 36 hours of Marty Smith's life are something that he did not enjoy. Like maybe getting this is something. But Marty knows what the grift is. He knows he's interviewing a used car salesman. He shouldn't have to chase him around for 36 hours to get the exclusive so that he can interview him on a, on a, on a tarmac that's dusty.

[Producer/Contributor]

I want to play from the night before. What we're looking at here is the interview when he made his decision the night before. This is just a 16 second clip of how broken Marty Smith was doing this reporting.

[Stugats]

I wrote him at 8:46 Central Time and said, will there be a resolution tonight? Please God in heaven, tell me yes.

[Producer/Contributor]

So that's where he was late.

[Stugats]

That's not journalism, Marty. Marty, this is not journalism we're doing. When you're chasing someone around firetruck and saying, please end this, sir, put me out of my midst. Resolution tonight. Please God in heaven, tell me yes. He knows this is wrong, what they're doing to Marty Smith.

[Zaslow]

When Marty was given that gig, he definitely thought it was be like one stand up and then go, come on, come on. God in hell.

[Stugats]

In on the grip of the business of this so much. Please, God in heaven, tell me yes. Marty's like, let me get back to the football. I want football. Saturdays are fun. What is this nonsense? Having to chase Lane Kiffin around. I know what God in heaven, tell me, Lane, I know what you are. We all know what you are. Who cover the sport. We kind of like it. We kind of like that you're dirty. You tell the truth.

[Producer/Contributor]

But then he got him for that interview and he asked all the right questions. Five minute interview. It was just.

[Stugats]

Oh, it was all the.

[Dan Le Batard]

And Lane gave Him the proper amount of time. Lane and Marty go way back.

[Stugats]

All right, so is Mississippi. What sounds worth playing here on where Mississippi's going to get back, get mad before we get to Mike's number one.

[Producer/Contributor]

I like, let's just play the first one where Lane just kind of gives him credit for all the reporting he's done.

[Lane Kiffin (Interviewee)]

Well, first, I just watched you do something unbelievable and go off road around the fire trucks to get here. So amazing job by you. You know that this was a very challenging, difficult day. You know, we went through a lot last night with Keith Carter trying to figure out a way, you know, know to make this playoff, you know, run, work and be able to coach the team. And at the end of the day, that's his decision and I totally respect that. I understand that decision and you know, so I just totally wish the team the best of luck. Wish that I was coaching, but understand that it was very challenging position for him, the Chancellor to be in and totally respect that. So, you know, just really, really hope they play really well and go win the national championship.

[Stugats]

Lane Kiffin is going to be outside your building trying to steal your kids.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's wild.

[Producer/Contributor]

He's like, you went around a fire. Like, what if Marty Smith got arrested trying to do.

[Stugats]

I think Marty. I'm guessing that Marty Smith had a rented truck and did go off roading. I think that Marty broke the law in order to get that interview, but also questioned his life and his self worth while he did. Please God in heaven, tell me this is not what we do with ourselves. Sources. Marty, you know better than this. So let's hear Lane saying that he is also mad and hurt because he can't go back and talk to his team. And the professional of this doesn't even allow him to be human.

[Lane Kiffin (Interviewee)]

You know, again, I totally respect Keith's decision.

[Stugats]

So that was his decision.

[Lane Kiffin (Interviewee)]

Yeah, yeah, he. He asked me not to come to the meeting and said I couldn't come, but. Which I totally understand. You know, I don't know that I necessarily agree with him that, you know, we're trying to find a way, you know, to make this work and coach the team and give the team the best chance to win. But I also, you know, he's got a job to do and like he said, he has to live here. So like he said, maybe all the national people understand why he should let me coach, but he has to live here. And it's a little different when you're the ad so totally respect that. And Keith has been amazing to us.

[Zaslow]

Over the six years you can't commit to go work for a competing rival and stay in your current job for possibly another two months.

[Stugats]

Oh, but I thought that he has to live here. Was an elbow like that. My God. Like in terms of Lane trying to publicly do. This is about God and family. And I got an important game with Knox tonight. That's the most important game in my life as he has to do that to keep up the veneer of this. This for I thought for him to hit him in the elbow with something that is. He has to live here, which makes it. He has to live here, which makes it sound like, well, he's got to live with the fandom as I take off in a private jet. He has to live in the community. But it's also the slight of you have to live here. I never. I never wanted to live here.

[Zaslow]

I thought it was just the former.

[Lane Kiffin (Interviewee)]

There, like you said. Maybe all the national people understand why he should let me coach, but he has to live here.

[Dan Le Batard]

That is actually worse than he has to live here, which is like he's kind of small time in Ole Miss. I understand why everyone in the nation would want me coaching Ole Miss because I am the program. But, you know, he's got to live here.

[Stugats]

This is how you graduate to all the things Lane Kiffin has graduated toward. What else from that interview is worth playing? Chris?

[Dan Le Batard]

I think we hit the good stuff there. That was pretty revelatory, him volunteering to Marty that they were working on an agreement that protected Ole Miss. Obviously Ole Miss wasn't satisfied with a level of protection, but now how can they be protected? I get it does seem like the most obvious thing in the world. But now he doesn't have any restrictions or an agreement in place and he's got the power of LSU and he's already shitposting spot the ball. So he's going to be coming after your kids full bore now while you're trying to avoid a College Football Playoff distraction. I don't think you're going to get that.

[Zaslow]

I think Ole Miss gets to keep their intention integrity.

[Stugats]

You know, I mean. No, but hold on.

[Dan Le Batard]

That matters. That matters, does it? That matters when you're spurned like this. When someone says you're not good enough for me, I'm going elsewhere. Basically. At that point, all you have is your integrity.

[Guest Analyst]

But they're not good enough for him. And they won't be as good as they are right now. They have a legitimate chance to win in the College Football Playoff with the most creative offensive mind in the sport with a great offense that can go win this thing. And to have him now devoting all of his time to this other program. Program, at least make him do a time split. Even if he was there trying to recruit your kids over ultimately and stealing your kids from outside of your building, he'd be doing it from inside of the building where he could help lead them to a championship. We've seen coaches do this before. We've seen coaches that have gone elsewhere, started recruiting for the other school, flown back, coached their team into these important bowl games and it's ultimately affected them in a negative way.

[Zaslow]

Okay, but it'll be. It'll be coach 70 in a ball game.

[Guest Analyst]

How do you know?

[Zaslow]

No, I'm talking about past examples. Like past examples was coaching an A.B. bowl game when now it's coaching the team for almost another two months.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, during already a month and a half signing day following in that window. The difference now is national signing day happens while the College Football Playoff is.

[Producer/Contributor]

I'm going to say it.

[Guest Analyst]

Having him be distracted while trying to coach Ole Miss can only help you if you're Ole Miss and you're getting your next coach in line. And to me, I'll say it.

[Producer/Contributor]

This calendar is wacky.

[Guest Analyst]

It is. It really is.

[Zaslow]

No, but you know what? That's a cop out, man. The whole calendar thing. Lane Kiffin made a choice to go coach somewhere else.

[Stugats]

Who cares what the calendar is?

[Producer/Contributor]

A wacky calendar.

[Stugats]

It's a wacky calendar. But again, do you realize we're laughing? Think about what we're talking about here. Marty Smith has been aged by the process of. Lane Kiffin will be outside your building trying to steal your kids.

[Dan Le Batard]

Kids.

[Stugats]

It's asinine. It's just the silliest of the Stupidity. Stupidity. It's live here around all of this money. We're just judging the games with arguments. And it's not real. It's all made for television bullshit. And Lane Kiffin runs the business. Mike, what's number one?

[Dan Le Batard]

Let's go full circle with number one. Because John Sumrall went from pawn knowing he was a pawn to having an offer on the table from Auburn and having an offer on the table from Florida midweek that he was trying to. Sorry, that's my bad. Trying to decide between Auburn and Florida. The decision was made. He knew that he was a pawn for Florida and a backup plan, but Auburn was forcing him to keep guys like Durkin on his staff and he didn't feel like he had the. The autonomy over his staff. At Auburn, which is why he goes back and takes half of what they offered to land and landed on Florida.

[Stugats]

I think that Zaz is more of an insider than you are.

[Zaslow]

All right, you're on the come up.

[Stugats]

Cool.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm just gonna leave this segment early.

[Stugats]

You can be hurt by that. But Zaslow, I mean, Jaslo gets.

[Zaslow]

Keep working hard.

[Stugats]

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[Zaslow]

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[Stugats]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugats]

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