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The Bill Belichick Snub: Why Everyone is Defending the GOAT | Plus: Super Bowl Rematch with Gregg Rosenthal
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Dave Dameshek
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Gino Fuentes
Kiko Alonzo comes to memory, although not really.
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Mike Florio
I didn't tell you Kiko Alonso before we started for you to just come in and swoop him away. It's the only guy I had, you know, perfect for the Miami Dolphins.
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Gino Fuentes
Half.
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Mike Florio
Cuban, half Colombian guy somehow ended up at Oregon and now Geno just comes.
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Gino Fuentes
In and swoop it.
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Mike Florio
So, you know, you're funny. You talk about brothers being good teammates. Not happening right now, Dave.
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Dave Dameshek
No, indeed. No indeed. Powerful, powerful message. Poignant Mel Blunt. Speaking of old man stuff, in case you don't know, I talk about the most the biggest inflection points of the super bowl era. Maybe the biggest this side of free agency is in 1978. The Mel Blunt rule is put in because Mel Blunt, six foot four of them, and all of that was too physical for NFL pass catchers. They couldn't get around him. So they had to make a rule that you could only handle the pass catchers so much. And that freed up, that liberated the receivers and the passing game really opened up. And as a side note, as a Steelers fan, I should point out, people thought, well, that's the end of this would be Steelers dynasty because they're a ground and pound team that leans on its defense. And then Terry Bradshaw in 78 goes out and wins the MVP, slinging the ball all over the place to Stallworth and Swan and all the rest of them. There you have it. Hey, subscribe, would you? We appreciate you doing so on YouTube. The Football America page is thriving. Make it thrive a little bit more with your participation. We love the comments that you put in there. I like to bounce off of my fellow football Americans, answer their questions and so on. And also do so wherever you find your audio podcasts. Right now we have some other stuff to talk about. Mike, Gino Soup Campbell and me have to figure out here in advance of our trip up to Santa Clara, California. I'll be there to start next week. Super Bowl 60 week, San Francisco, Santa Clara, all the rest of it. But first, let's get into this Super Bowl a little bit, shall we? If you haven't heard, it's the Seahawks and the Patriots and one of the great voices on pro football, analytically and otherwise, it's our pal Greg Rosenthal. Let's talk to him right now. Shall we? All right, let's get to it. It's the main event. I'm thrilled to be yapping with this fella because he's been one of the more prominent Patriots fans in my Life for what, 15 years or so. He's the host of NFL Daily, also back 40s and free agents with our other pal, Daniel Jeremiah. It's the boss, Greg Rosenthal. Look at him, glowing. He had to wait three or four years. From Brady to Drake May. How are you, fella? What was it?
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Greg Rosenthal
It was eight years, right? Seven years.
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Dave Dameshek
That long? Okay.
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Greg Rosenthal
But that day, I tried to be a gutless Patriots fan and almost dropped them. It's never going to get any better than Belichick and Brady, you know, when he left. But when Drake May was drafted, I believed. I was actually surprised how long it took a lot of people covering the Patriots to realize Drake May was the truth. I knew. I knew it last year with Gerard Mayo. Even Gerard Mayo couldn't put the stink on him.
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Dave Dameshek
2020 hindsight now, this is not that you, in the moment, felt good about. I always liked that as philosophically, you know, when it was Peyton or Ryan Leaf and all of that, I always have said I'd like to be. Have the second pick. Because now this avails you of. Of any sort of blame or finger point, like, what did you want me to do? The only guy who was left was that one. That's what the Patriots basically fell into with Drake May, right?
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Greg Rosenthal
I love Drake May as a prospect. Nate Tice, I think, was the first one talking him up, saying, well, actually, I kind of think Drake made. Going into his last year at UNC was 1A and Caleb was 1B, and I'm like, oh, who's this guy? So I started watching him. He's with Josh Downs there at unc, and it's like, this is my guy. I'm going to root for this guy. I love watching him wherever he lands. And when the Patriots and Bill Belichick beat Sean Payton, Russell Wilson, I believe in the Broncos on Christmas Eve to drop themselves from the 2 to the 3 pick. I thought we lost them because at that point, it was expected he would be 1 2. Then they get him at number three. And I was convinced, and I think he was much better as a rookie than people realize. Like, he. He was already, like, obviously going to be one of the guys. I think as a rookie, just. The team was terrible.
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Dave Dameshek
All right. You know, we could dive into MVP talk and all of that, but. And maybe we'll have time for that. By the way, that draft class already, if Drake may wins, enters itself collectively into the conversation of best QB class of all time. Right.
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Greg Rosenthal
I mean, you have to stack it up year over year, but yes, I.
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Dave Dameshek
Mean, you're in good shape.
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Greg Rosenthal
At minimum, it's the best start any draft class has ever had. I know Marino was ridiculous the first couple of years, but to have Caleb one game away from the conference championship, to have Bo Nix having made it and maybe would be in the super bowl if he had stayed healthy. And then what Jaden Daniels did. Yeah, nothing. Nothing tops that.
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Dave Dameshek
Right? Jaden Daniels is an afterthought already, which is. Which is weird. Okay. We both care about our history and we both like playing. What if. That's a great. What if you just. You just floated there. What would the Patriots look like if they had Jaden Daniels from the. From the jump starting in 20, 24? All right, last things first. We've already yapped for too many minutes for this to be the first thing we talk about, but still, final score, Super Bowl 60. We got to get you on the record.
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Greg Rosenthal
Oh, this is the first time I've had to do this. I'll go 27, 26. Bora Gallas with a field goal at the buzzer. The Miami product.
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Dave Dameshek
Yeah. Let me tell you this. You look. You look positively dapper swell in that. In that natty sweater that you're wearing there. I gotta tell you this, from a fashion standpoint, the uniform, it frowns on Super Bowl 60. If the Patriots are gonna really end up wearing that white get up that they wore in Denver and prior. It's a very unattractive. And then I think the Seahawks are gonna go all Navy, that this is the biggest distance between in a uniform matchup of what the reality is going to be versus what's available in the class. If you would have gone Seahawks throwbacks against Pat Patriot, that might stand as. I don't want to get hyperbolic. The best uniform matchup in super bowl history.
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Greg Rosenthal
I totally agree. Largely because I think the Seahawks throwbacks are my number one pick. I would take those over literally any. I think the Patriots wearing those whites are the best that they can do. I've never liked the Flying Elvis in general. I've never loved their uniforms. I think that's the best they can do, so I support them.
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Dave Dameshek
All right, I want to talk about this, that, and the other with you. But. But just a little X and O analysis from somebody who's really good at doing it. What scares you about the Seahawks as they match up against the Patriots, where can they expose or take advantage of something with New England?
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Greg Rosenthal
Well, I think they're the best team in the NFL. I thought them in the Rams were the two best teams all season. And so in general, I just think that they're a better team. But up front, especially if you think you're at a starting point when the Patriots have the ball, that there's almost no scenario where the Patriots offensive line is going to match up. Well, like the Seahawks, as good as they are getting pressure, they're even better at like short yardage situations, stopping them like Leonard Williams, Byron Murphy. Those two kind of create possibilities for everyone on the outside. And I've been worried about Will Campbell all season and Jared Wilson and the offensive line and the fact that we're coming into the super bowl with Drake May playing his worst football of the year. I'm happy it'll be better weather, but like that could just be a mismatch up front. And then does he get a little skittish, which he's, which he's been in the playoffs.
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Dave Dameshek
I will say this, and I think it's almost third rail kind of stuff when people go like, he's got surprising athleticism and we know that that's code for he's white when people do that stuff. But sort of the inverse of Lamar Jackson, like, kid, okay, he could run, but let's see him throw the ball. The opposite is true of Drake May, in my opinion. In fact, he puts the game away with his legs. Why are we not celebrating that that's counts as good quarterback play?
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Greg Rosenthal
I absolutely did in the moment. And I think you're right. The fact that he got through this game and I think did what he was coached to do. Watching that game back though, there were some open receivers where I sure, sure, sure he was, he was not pulling the trigger, which was not the Drake May that I saw all year, who was playing really fast and loose. And it just reminds me a little bit of how he started his career where you could almost see that he was, he was maybe a little tight in these spots. So I want, I just want him to be the, the free, freakish athlete that he is and kind of trust what he sees. And hopefully McDaniels can, can scheme some guys open because on the outside, like when they have the ball, it looks like a mismatch against this secondary. But McDaniels has got two weeks he's been in this spot before and I think they should be able to figure.
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Dave Dameshek
Some things out by the, by the Way just before we got going here, I asked you, you said something about, well, I thought that may deserve more MVP consideration or something to that effect. I think he should be the mvp and maybe Stafford gets it. But as a reminder, I don't care what their two schedules are, their NFL teams, they weren't playing, you know, Big west teams at any point during the NFL season. When did it stop mattering that you're in first place versus what Matthew Stafford was, which was third place. And end of conversation, their stats are approximate. So that's that.
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Greg Rosenthal
That's what I've been holding on to is that the history of quarterbacks winning MVP is non existent if they're not like a top three seed in their conference and the stats are not close. If you get into the really the dorky stuff, the success rate, the EPA per play, the stuff under pressure, like.
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Dave Dameshek
Oh yeah, just like the hall of Fame voters are deep diving who they're giving their votes to for Gold Jackets. Yes. I'm just applying the standard that's available to the one that those guys are applying here. We're not, we don't need the advanced metrics because the voters are not applying them.
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Greg Rosenthal
That's fair. And, and to me, the biggest difference, not just that they're the record and, and the seating was the legs. I mean that's like if everything else is close, you have one of the most valuable rushers in the league at, at quarterback. His success rate, like in terms of his scrambles, he literally scrambled more than every quarterback in the NFL this year. Maybe he doesn't want to do that his entire career, but it was incredibly important for their team this year. And like that's. You have none of that with Stafford. And so that to me is the biggest difference.
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Dave Dameshek
One more thing, side by side comparison, one guy was throwing the ball to Puka Naku and Devonte Adams. The other guy was, was, was throwing it to old Stefan Diggs and Hunter Henry. I mean, what were you talking about? Those aren't comparable either. All right, listen, I touched on the hall of Fame that the scandal of our times, this is what everybody is, is, is so empathetic about, is poor Bill Belichick. Question for you. Is Bill Belichick rooting for the Patriots to win this super bowl or lose?
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Greg Rosenthal
Oh, he's run against him.
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Dave Dameshek
I mean, why Craft and Brady both stepped up and vouched at. Oh, he's the greatest head coach of all time. Of course he, we got to give him a gold jacket.
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Greg Rosenthal
Well, because one of the reasons Bill Belichick didn't make the hall of Fame, in his mind, could be that Robert Kraft isn't helping him out. And I wouldn't.
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Dave Dameshek
You're G.D. right, that. Of course, that's the case. Bob Kraft's having it both ways. I love that they're the ones stepping up to talk about this. You fired him. If he's the greatest coach of all time, how do you make sense of that?
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Greg Rosenthal
Well, firing was fine. I think it was more producing a documentary, extremely slanted, to try to make your hall of Fame case look better and make Bill Belichick look worse. And look, I think the immaturity of their relationship and how they can't share the glory reflects poorly on both of them. Like you would like to think if you're Robert Kraft's age or Bill Belichick's age, you would have learned something through your life about what really matters. And they haven't learned that. They're just petty and wanting all the credit for themselves. Which bothers me as a Patriots fan, but it always bothered me when people would talk about, like, Kraft, Belichick and Brady, and it's like, oh, the three guys that really brought them the Super Bowl. And who deserves the most? I'm like, why is Kraft in this conversation? It is. He contributed, but he is nowhere near the other two guys. And the fact that he, I assume, is going to get in this year ahead of Belichick will. Will bother me. But it would be delicious and interesting if neither one of them got in.
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Dave Dameshek
Well, I mean, find out. I have belly ached about the resident residents of Mount Pius who control who gets into these halls of fame. And of course, they're petty themselves, just like Craft and Belichick are. You know, they did this to. To. They do it the Barry Bonds. They do it to Roger Clemens. They did it to Pete Rose. And the thing that is vexing, one of the things is. Is the idea of inventory. A surplus of inventory at a certain position or an age group. Like, well, LC Greenwood, we got like, is he a Hall of Famer now? What happened between his retirement 25 years ago and now it really is Bab Streisand territory. Like, well, things so simple then. Or has time rewritten every line? The evidence hasn't changed. You've changed somehow. What? I think you've shaved off the rough edges of reality and now kissed him, these. Some of these guys into the hall of Fame, whether or not they deserve it. It's weird.
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Greg Rosenthal
We're just going to move on in the conversation without recognizing The. The pipes that you just displayed were.
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Dave Dameshek
Those pipes of a song.
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Greg Rosenthal
I don't even know. I have to admit. Maybe that's our.
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Dave Dameshek
You don't know. The way we were. The way we were.
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Greg Rosenthal
That's pretty good.
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Dave Dameshek
Thank you, Greg. So that means Tom Brady's rooting for the Patriots.
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Greg Rosenthal
Probably not. I. I'd like to.
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Dave Dameshek
I bet he'll say different.
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Greg Rosenthal
I mean, yeah, he'll say different. It just won't feel as, you know, like I'm the only one who's ever gotten the Patriots a Super bowl special for him deep in his heart. But I hope that's not the case. I hope he can embrace Drake May in a way that former Patriots quarterback great Cam Newton has really not done during this year. I thought that was. That's shameful, by the way. Cam Newton just burying Drake May all season long after Drake May said he's his hero. But Brady, yeah, I think he'll be rooting for the Seahawks.
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Dave Dameshek
Of course. Of course. That's gotta be the case no matter what he says publicly. And by the way, when was the super bowl in Houston? Whatever year that was, I had an early morning interview scheduled. Scheduled with. With the quarterback of that team at the time, and he showed up and we were yapping about this and that, and I said, you don't want the, Your. Your alma mater's current qb. He won the national championship a month ago, but you don't want him to win a second one now, right? And, and, and the guy who I was talking to, his name was desean Watson. He's like, why, why would I, why wouldn't I want Trevor Lawrence to win another one? I said, well, then that makes Trevor Lawrence the greatest quarterback in Clemson history, right? And you know, that's, you know, you have an ego, right? And he kind of chuckled and we continued to converse. An hour later, I was informed by our bosses that DeShawn had had called in to complain that that was an out of bounds question. That was really wow.
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Greg Rosenthal
Which shows you you did hit on something, right? Because if you actually were cool about Trevor Lawrence getting that second title, you would take it as a fun joke. You know what I mean? You wouldn't call back an hour later. I think different people are wired differently. You may be painting with a broad brush. I think there are Tom Brady's spots or DeSean Watson spot, who would be rooting for that team and the next guy. But I don't. The sense I get is Tom Brady is not that guy.
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Dave Dameshek
People like Maurice Jones drew. Well, I can't just put this on him. The, the lamest thing is when guys say like, oh, I think the, the drink is Trevian Henderson or whatever or something like that and be like, you know, I got to stand up for my running backs. Why? Why, why do you have to do that? Why that Jeff Schwartz on the show all the time. You know, I got to stand up for my old lineman. Why do you have to. You don't have to. Now we get it. That's some weird fraternity you think you're a part of. Anyhow, let's. We'll see if we have time for anything else. But I do have to get you on the record on this because I know you and Daniel Jeremiah actually are, are investigating this on the show that you do. In this window in the never ending NFL calendar, which QB or QBs are plausible options, do you think, for Mike McCarthy's Pittsburgh Steelers in 2026? I know Aaron Rodgers name has been floated and Mike McCart says, who wouldn't want him back? Well, Dave wouldn't want him back. It makes no sense to bring a 43 year old man whose presence announces. We have no intention of making a Super bowl run this year. That's a weird announcement to make in springtime. How say you?
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Greg Rosenthal
Well, I think he's coming back as long as he wants the job.
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Dave Dameshek
I don't know if he wants it though.
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Greg Rosenthal
I think, I think he wants it. Why wouldn't he want it? I was convinced all season. I was like everyone was talking about him possibly retired. Like why would he retire? There will be a job available for him. You think he's just going to walk away? As long as it doesn't go horribly wrong, which you know, the playoff game did. I think he'll want to go back. And the fact that they're like, hey, we're going to be tough guys this year. We need an answer within a month. We can't wait longer. That well, it just shows you like they're going to do it as long as he wants to come back. And I don't think that's a good idea. But I also don't really have a lot of faith that they would do much better in free agency.
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Dave Dameshek
Okay, well, I want an answer to that question. But of course, at least Aaron Rodgers surely understand he has a memory that dates back a month ago that will remind him that when big guys are chasing him, he doesn't like it and he really stinks. And he could walk away now. Maybe not into the sunset that you see in movies, but he Kind of restored who he is in the NFL. Why would you, why would you push it at this point? The 43, I don't think. Well anyway your, your thoughts on who the other options if not Rogers would make some sense that are plausible.
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Greg Rosenthal
Malik Willis is the prize which is a wild place to be but if they wanted to I think that would be an attractive spot for him. I actually think, you know, maybe that could rejuvenate Mike McCarthy a little. Like I, I could see that Kyler Murray is going to be available potentially in a low cost trade. I don't know if I see like the fit there, but you could do worse. I think that's better than, than Aaron Rodgers. Then you get into the morass where it's like would you want to trade for Eagles backup Tanner McKee? He's kind of interesting. Like there's, there's not a lot of like top shelf options. Kirk Cousins is going to be out there. Daniel Jones I assume is going back to Indianapolis. So then you're looking.
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Dave Dameshek
You do think is you think it's done. They don't hold him to have a little competition in springtime to establish who the Falcon.
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Greg Rosenthal
I think there's a chance that he could go fact there but the way Stefanski sounded at the first press conference and then they restructured his contract to make it easy for them to cut him. I think they're probably cutting or trading Kirk Cousins.
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Dave Dameshek
Yeah, I mean that makes sense to me. But okay for all of you know everybody has to lead with their dim cynicism and we've been over where Mike McCarthy is concerned that this is a retread. Obviously he's a QB coach. Mike Tomlin was the opposite of that. What's the reality as far as you can tell about Mike McCarthy in the year of the Lord 2026 as a, as a capable if nothing else developer of QBs. Because you say Tanner McKee is a throwaway joke and I don't think that's the answer.
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Greg Rosenthal
No, it wasn't a throwaway joke. I kind of like Tanner McKee.
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Dave Dameshek
Well, I, you know the jokes that you've heard are like well he had Aaron Rodgers and he worked with Brett Favre and you know, like we had good quarterback and Dak is a good quarterback. He did get some of the best out of each of those guys. But more importantly where the Steelers who don't really have a QB at this point are concerned, he's done some real good work. He's some Hammond Eggers have at minimum delivered the best version of themselves with Mike McCarthy, how say you?
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Greg Rosenthal
That's true. And I think his attention to detail and like, the professionalism of the offense, like, he brings all that. And a lot of his strengths are similar, I think, to Mike Tomlin's strengths, which is like, organization and everyone, you know, on the same page in the building. Like, he can run a team, he's the face of the franchise. So I think he could take over for Tomlin. I don't think they're in a rebuilding situation and you're probably not going to be losing much, maybe even get something, but you're probably ending back up in the same spot. It worried me a little bit, Dave, about how surprised he seemed to be there in that. It was a. It was kind of like, I can't believe this is happening. And the main thing the Steelers say was like, we can't believe he was available, someone with this resume. It's like, well, he was available for the other 10 teams. No one else is considering him. And the fact that, like, last time, what did you learn when you took a year off? He's like, well, you know, I, I got my PFF ultimate account and I studied all around the league and I did all this different stuff. And then this time he's like, well, I watched a lot of volleyball, my.
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Dave Dameshek
Kids and Aaron Rodgers In 2025, I don't know, look pretty good to me.
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Greg Rosenthal
He was, he did have a, like, he got a little emotional saying that it was too short, the time that he spent with his family. And I was just thinking, I don't know, third time around. To me, coaching is, is a young man's job a little bit. There's a reason, I think.
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Dave Dameshek
Okay, but he's 62. Yeah, he, he, he's not an 87 year old man. Yeah, I mean, he's. And the thing that people want to.
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Greg Rosenthal
Work their way around 20 NFL seasons just covering it. I can't imagine it's 62, having the same juice that I have.
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Dave Dameshek
But the restorative quality is that it's in Pittsburgh and the people who want to work their way around that, you know, they are provincial. The Pittsburgh Steelers, it's a great story and a reminder again, I know I keep saying it, but I'm going to say it one more time at least. Maybe I'll say it three times on this show and then next week I'll carry it over again and I'll tell everybody up in Santa Clara the same thing. But as a reminder, they went to Art Rooney, Pete Roselle did, and Said, hey, America's team, you know, the Cowboys have a certain shine and the Steelers do, too. And worth considering. You know, maybe the Steelers make sense as America's team. And Art Rooney said, no, we don't want any of that crap. We're Pittsburgh's team, and that's good enough for us. I mean, yes, this is great news. This is fun. And it's, it's not that. The idea that it is not a change at all. Obviously, in football terms, he's, He's a quarterback coach and that's, that's the difference. But maintaining the importance or making a statement that we get at Pittsburgh by putting in a Pittsburgh or is great stuff. And you're not going to hear me badmouth that now. Last thing before you go very quickly, win play show. The, The. The thing that I guess gets under my skin about the Belichick conversation is the assertion repeatedly that is that or insinuation at minimum, that Belichick is the greatest coach of all time. I mean, what about. Did we forget about the Cleveland years? Did we forget about Tom Brady leaving and immediately winning a Super bowl without him? What else do we. The UNC experience who are.
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Greg Rosenthal
Oh, come on.
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Dave Dameshek
Don't know. Come on, mate. Now, more importantly, go ahead. You can put them number one. If you want to win play show the three best quarter. Three best head coaches of the super bowl era go.
- [29:35]
Greg Rosenthal
The super bowl era.
- [29:36]
Dave Dameshek
Yes.
- [29:37]
Greg Rosenthal
Okay. Because then you're, you're, you don't count like Paul Brown, who Belichick always says is the best.
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Dave Dameshek
Stop vamping around about Paul Brown.
- [29:47]
Greg Rosenthal
Well, I think it's. I, I do think it's Belichick. One.
- [29:50]
Dave Dameshek
Okay.
- [29:51]
Greg Rosenthal
I think it's Andy Reid, too.
- [29:53]
Dave Dameshek
Wow.
- [29:53]
Greg Rosenthal
It's probably, it's probably Shula. Three. Sorry, Sheila Shula.
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Dave Dameshek
Oh, I'm telling our pal Handsome Hank you said that. Even he knows that Don Shul is the reason Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl. He.
- [30:05]
Greg Rosenthal
Yeah, but. But here's the thing. This is why I would. I don't hold anything that happened post Brady against Belichick. You only have so long of a prime. I mean, 25 years isn't enough. Like, he started his prime as maybe the best defensive coordinator of all time with the Giants, like, one of them, one of the best defensive minds. That was 40 years ago. So, like, the prime ends, I think, which is why I'm a little worried about McCarthy. So I'm counting Belichick's prime, as you know, through. Through 18. And Don Shula had a hell of a prime when he was in his prime.
- [30:38]
Dave Dameshek
Okay, but I mean, that's not even the best coach of the seventies, obviously. It's the emperor Chaz Knowles, four rings. That's that. He built the team. What are we talking about? He obviously wins the 70s over Landry and Don Shul and John Madden and people like that. Andy Reid is a great shout. I do have to say couple more names for you to consider before you go. One, is Joe Gibbs the only guy of all the people who we talk about, he's the only cat people. Oh, who. Who didn't say who. Who succeeded without hall of Fame, without a Hall of Fame quarterback? Joe Gibbs, that's who. Three times over. Mark Rippin, Joe Theisman and Doug Williams, that's who. He. Who steered his teams three times to Lombardi with.
- [31:24]
Greg Rosenthal
Here's the thing with Belichick, that always gets me when people bring up, you know, that he never did without Brady. He didn't have a Hall of Super Bowl. He had a quarterback that like, eventually became a Hall of Fame quarterback, but was, you know, for the first one, maybe the 20, you know, 15th to 20th best quarterback in the league. And his defense won that super bowl, like, period. And then for 03,04, was not a top five quarterback during those seasons. Peaking late, I would say in 04 was kind of when he started to really become Brady. So to me, he won those Super Bowls without like a Hall of Fame quarter. Not to mention what he did with, with the Giants.
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Dave Dameshek
His greatest move, it was, or among his greatest calls were when Drew Bledsoe gets him past the Steelers then Brady did in that title game. Was everybody saying, so it's bled so. Right? And Belichick going, no, no, we're going with Tom Brady. Also. Willie McGinnis will tell you, Tom Brady's the answer to that, to that question. But it does bring us full circle and a reset button back to a new Patriots era here. Because Tom Brady was, in fact the real deal. He was the real deal on his rookie deal, just like Drake May. So this little window that is now open for the Patriots should stay open for at least the next three or five years. Thanks for the time. Either way. 40s and free agents, NFL Daily, all the rest of it. The great Greg Rosenthal, everybody.
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Greg Rosenthal
Thank you, Dave. You're the best.
- [32:58]
Dave Dameshek
There he goes. Greg Rosenthal. Good stuff, I thought. What was your favorite part? Gino and Mike. Mike and Gino Fuentes.
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Mike Florio
Well, I took a note here and it says, my note is as follows, verbatim, right here. I have it written down right Here, you can't really see it. On an old schedule we have here.
- [33:13]
Dave Dameshek
It says, David, how old could. How the memory. Wait, you had to write it down.
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Mike Florio
Yeah, I had to write. I didn't want to forget. I know that, like, we had so, like, going on. It's always sucked my whole life. You can't even talk to me about that. I agree with it. It's terrible.
- [33:25]
Dave Dameshek
But I go, whatever happened just happened three minutes ago. You can't remember it.
- [33:29]
Gino Fuentes
Yeah.
- [33:29]
Dave Dameshek
Okay, go ahead.
- [33:30]
Mike Florio
Dave is just like Dan. He asked Greg for his top three, then he doesn't agree with him, then argues to try to make Greg's choice his. Ultimately, Greg just caves him.
- [33:40]
Gino Fuentes
So.
- [33:42]
Dave Dameshek
I met him halfway on Andy Reid. What are you talking about?
- [33:45]
Mike Florio
You're like. He's like Don Shula. You know, the guy with the most wins in pro football history went to two Super Bowls.
- [33:50]
Dave Dameshek
No, no, no, no, no, no.
- [33:52]
Mike Florio
It's got to be this guy.
- [33:53]
Gino Fuentes
Right away, it became clear this is a Chuck. No question. That's not. He wanted. He just wanted to talk about.
- [33:57]
Dave Dameshek
I don't have to genu flex to somebody because. Because they happened 30 or 40 years ago, as a lot of people do.
- [34:03]
Mike Florio
What Dave wanted was his top three to be said, and then somehow turn Greg into another top three for him. So that way he really gets a top six. But it just appears that it's Greg's top three also.
- [34:13]
Dave Dameshek
Okay, I'm not going to bring up. No. And I've done the. The Shula thing already, but, you know, I'm not the first person to point out Don Shula's drafts around Dan Marino. Are. Are the reason why Dan Marino never went back to a Super bowl after his sophomore season. But Belichick, am I. Am I being too harsh on Bill here? You. Do you think he's the greatest coach of all time, given what we know about the entirety of his career, not just the time he spent with Tom Brady?
- [34:41]
Gino Fuentes
Yes, I do think. I mean, I'm not a. Not a Patriots fan, obviously, I'm a Dolphins fan. But the man won eight Super Bowls as a coach. At some level, he won six as a head coach. I mean, all of those graphics have been at the bottom of every screen you've seen over the past week. I mean, what. How he didn't get voted into the hall of Fame on the first try doesn't make sense.
- [34:56]
Mike Florio
And if I deep dive any coach, I'm going to find some stinker years. There's no way you're like the wide receiver coach of Cali Paul Tech or whatever. Or. And you don't some years that are stinkers.
- [35:04]
Gino Fuentes
It's just the way it goes.
- [35:06]
Mike Florio
Cali Paul totally fictional.
- [35:11]
Dave Dameshek
No, Cali Paul, she was really good on the Yukon Huskies. I think it was their 04 title run. But yeah, I mean, it's not even so much for me about the Cleveland stuff and certainly not the UNC stuff. They're up on Mount Pius. This is a revelation to anybody that these guys are acting like human beings and exposing their own flaws. You know, Same applies for the Baseball hall of Fame. Ultimately. This is cutting your nose to spite your face if you want the hall to thrive. If you're a voter, then not having the hit king in there. Imagine you're a dad and you're. And your kid likes baseball and he says, can we go to the hall of Fame? And then. And you take him to the hall of Fame and he says, where? Where's the guy who has the most home runs of all time? Oh, he's not in here. He didn't make it. Like, what? Okay, well then who the most hits at least? No, he's not. He's also not in here. Like, I completely agree with you at all this, by the way, Roger Clemens isn't in there. What are we doing? What then why would you go to the hall of Fame? What are you there to regard the people who behave themselves or told a line that the voters wanted you to.
- [36:22]
Gino Fuentes
Vote to tell is now lesser because Bill Belichick's not in it until he gets. Gets in the hall of Fame.
- [36:28]
Dave Dameshek
That's right. And same goes for Terrell Owens and a lot of those cats. But also. So, you know, it's murky.
- [36:35]
Gino Fuentes
I.
- [36:36]
Dave Dameshek
The Jimmy Johnson's and Stephen A's and Dan Orlovsky's and everybody who's really just, just out of. This is the, this is the issue of our time. Nothing else to complain about in our society but Bill Belichick getting a hi hat or delayed by one year. Human beings, you know, the same people who say, well, it's part of the game, you know, the human heir, the players and the referees, which I also laugh at the idea that the referees, we have video evidence. There's no excuse for them not to be 100% correct at this point. But if we're going to say human error with the referees, then human error with the voters. It's an imperfect approach. And I disagree with Bill Belichick not getting in on the first ballot. I push back on the notion that he's the greatest of all time. And I also am not going to to get histrionic about him being delayed by a year because there are some reasons why you could get up on Mount Pius. I know Bill Cower and a lot of other people say now, oh, the. The whole videotaping thing, that was completely overblown. There are still some people who are relevant to pro football who say it is an issue and it should have been allowed. And if this is a penalty for that and deflate gate and whatever else, so be it. It's not the end of the world. Everybody settle down. We, Bill Belichick and everybody who gets into the hall of Fame has been genuflected to for the last 25 or 40 years. Are we sure? We definitely need to gild the lily and celebrate these guys some more. There's no one else in society that deserves a back slap. No, the people who've been celebrated and are multimillionaires and have been celebrated as such for the last, like I say, three or four decades. Let's celebrate them a little bit more. And if they. And if we don't get a chance to. I'm gonna be mad. It's a little silly.
- [38:30]
Mike Florio
In 1999, Andy Reid went 5 and 11 as the Eagles head coach.
- [38:35]
Gino Fuentes
Okay, that's fine.
- [38:35]
Mike Florio
2005, he went 6 and 10. 2007, he went 8 and 8. 9, 6. 1 in 2008. Let's see how many other stinkers he had. Everybody has stinkers is what I'm getting at. Oh, oh. And then his final year, he went 4 and 12. 12 before he got fired.
- [38:49]
Dave Dameshek
It is noteworthy, and Gino points it out that's absolutely right, that if you do it in different football situations, I think you deserve, you know, I think that that adds to the resume in a way that Belichick can't. He can't say, well, look at what I did. I know it wasn't just New England. It was also. It was what. It was also what? Working under Bill Parcells.
- [39:09]
Mike Florio
My era was so successful that I didn't leave. I don't think that's an argument against anybody. Like, I was doing so well. I didn't just leave.
- [39:16]
Gino Fuentes
Andy Reid deserves the credit for taking two separate teams to the super bowl, even though one of those teams, you know, only one of those teams won. But the same is the case with Don Shulo, who took the Colts to numerous NFL championships. Or was it afl? No, AFL championships, right?
- [39:29]
Dave Dameshek
No, not new and numerous, but yeah.
- [39:33]
Gino Fuentes
They were a dominant team. They lost.
- [39:34]
Dave Dameshek
It don't get, don't, don't lose your point down in the weeds there.
- [39:37]
Gino Fuentes
Exactly. But then he took the Dolphins to the super bowl and they want to, you know.
- [39:41]
Dave Dameshek
Well, that was the thing with him as a matter of fact is there was getting to be. If you go back and read up in on the era, the, the thing was that Don Shula was kind of the Atlanta braves of the 90s at some point. Like is this guy like he's real good, but is he ever going to get over the hump? It was a little Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen for a head coach in pro football, boy, his teams are always great and he always gets them real close. But are they ever going to win one? Finally they did 14,7 thanks to that. No thanks, I guess to Gary Premian and the left handed.
- [40:12]
Gino Fuentes
We went to six total Super Bowls.
- [40:14]
Mike Florio
Right.
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Gino Fuentes
That's my math. He went to the five, six total and one with.
- [40:17]
Dave Dameshek
Well, he wins, he wins 17, loses 19. So that's two. Then he wins the two with the seven and eight with the dolphin. So that's four he loses. Yeah, right. So he lose. Right? That's right. That's exactly right. Yeah. Yeah. Six. Six. He loses 24 to three. Yes. Go ahead, Mike.
- [40:36]
Mike Florio
No, no, no, I'm just, I remember me and you had talked about, I think I talked about on last football America how the Dolphins don't get enough crap for being such a bad team.
- [40:44]
Gino Fuentes
All of this was ancient history.
- [40:45]
Mike Florio
Yeah, yeah, but, but he just reminded me when he said it that the Dolphins had won two Super Bowls. I found out this week that that Dolphins super bowl team, the 72 perfect season was actually the team that in all of NFL history their opponents had the lowest winning percentage of all time. So.
- [41:01]
Dave Dameshek
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [41:03]
Mike Florio
By, by, by a wide distance. So another thing that, because Dolphins fans love to say that, oh well, the perfect season, you know, all this stuff way less impressive now that I see that stat, at least to me.
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Dave Dameshek
Well, I'll defend it to some extent. It's, it's an undefeated season. No one's ever done it. Obviously it's something to hold up the. I did see Nick Wright though on Lebatard earlier this week saying that the Dolphins are merely representative of the, of your little corner, your little region of football America, which is to say soft. That the turquoise and the orange and the style of play all adds up up to them being recognizable to, to the residents. I've always laughed at, at the notion that, that, that, that good defense people I say like this Steelers defense or this, it really Suits the blue collar vibes of the fan base and everything else. As though Dolphins fans wouldn't enjoy a dominant defense. They'd be like, I can't relate to this. I, this is, this makes no sense to me. Get it out of here. That's silly. But also Nick Wright knows enough history to, to remember Larry Zonka and that Nick Bonacani and the no name defense was the highlight. Wasn't. Certainly wasn't Bob Greasy. They talk about a ground and pound team. They were plenty physical. So I don't exactly get that. But I do agree with your point, Mike, that the Dolphins have sort of slipped through the cracks. Sort of like the Chiefs were until Patrick Mahomes happened. I, I used to kind of quietly feel a little bit bad about them because they are one of the tent pole franchises the Chiefs are and always have been. But it was weird that, you know, people would say, oh, the Chiefs aren't one of the embarrassing franchises. They're not one of the teams that would be terrible to root for. But yeah, they would be. Because you're steeped in important history. But you haven't won a Super bowl since Super Bowl 4. You haven't been to a Super bowl in, you know, 50 years or whatever until they finally got over the hump. The Dolphins are getting close to that now. You know, we always talk about. Now the Cowboys haven't been to a Super bowl since 1994, which is pathetic. But the Dolphins have been worse for them and again, a tent pole franchise because of the Shula years combined with Dan Marino's deeds.
- [43:22]
Mike Florio
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out like what's going to be, I guess, if they finish this year with no quarterback or if they go into with Quinn Ewers because obviously I don't see Tua like reinventing himself. So I figure if you start getting a couple top five picks, that's the thing, they always like to meander around. They find a way, you know, you know this. They find a way to be, you know, 9 and 8, 8 and 9, you know, 7 and 10. You're right in the middle. They're just. Just bad enough to get a mid round, mid round pick? I mean, no, just good enough to get a mid round pick. Just bad enough, you know, right there. Because that's the worst kind of thing. You're going through it too, Dave. With the Pittsburgh Steelers, you never have a top draft pick. You're always like, oh, let's try to find a gem mid first round. Because for some reason we think 8 and 8's okay. We're right there.
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Dave Dameshek
Yeah, but my team at least makes the playoff.
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Mike Florio
Yeah, well, you got the Browns and.
- [44:05]
Dave Dameshek
You got, I'm just saying I, I distinction is that I, I, we're in the same spot. I'm agreeing.
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Mike Florio
Josh Allen was in your division. You wouldn't even sniff the playoffs if you'd be blowing you guys out every year. You wouldn't even know.
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Dave Dameshek
You're right.
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Mike Florio
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
- [44:18]
Dave Dameshek
My division, my, my division has Lamar Jackson. I know.
- [44:22]
Mike Florio
Not the same thing. Not, not the same, clearly.
- [44:24]
Dave Dameshek
But lamar has more MVPs, you know.
- [44:26]
Gino Fuentes
Yeah.
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Dave Dameshek
You know, by the way, one last thing on, one last thing about the 72 dolphins. That, that is a funny little quirk in, in NFL history. You're right. About their overall schedule. I also submit what if style. What the if if the Steelers the rate. If if the, if the Immaculate Reception doesn't happen. The title game, the AFC title game is in Miami. Why was it then in Pittsburgh the Dolphins were undefeated? It because back then they used to rotate home field advantage among the division winners, which is super weird. But it was warm in Pittsburgh for the AFC title game and so that suited the Dolphins a little bit, but not too warm. Had the game been in Miami, it was warm and a fast track which wouldn't have suited their ground and pound against the high flying Oakland Raiders with Snake Stabler and Cliff Branch. I submit that the Raiders would have gone to the super bowl against Washington that year and would have ended the undefeated season for the Dolphins had the Immaculate Reception hadn't happened. But that's a weird little quirk in history. Anyway, bring us up to speed on modern times and the coaching carousel as it now stands. Gino Fuentes.
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Gino Fuentes
Well, I've got. Sometimes the coaching carousel makes you laugh. And there are three teams in particular this time around which are just having, which just had some of the funniest storylines you can imagine. Which one of these is the funniest to you guys? Bill's ownership emotionally fires McDermott after a playoff loss and says they need a coaching change. The owner then throws the coaching staff under the bus in a press conference and promotes his faulty GM to president. Then turns around, goes back to the coaching staff that he just put down and threw under the bus and hires and promotes, I should say, the highest ranking part of the coaching staff to head coach. So that's number one. That's the Bills. Aaron Glenn. Now let's.
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Dave Dameshek
So you're just laying these out for us and we have to say which is Funniest, which is the one that.
- [46:29]
Mike Florio
We think is the funniest because that.
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Gino Fuentes
One I thought, I thought was hilarious. Then you got Aaron Glenn, who finishes the season three and 14, I think it was. He had only fired one coach during the season. It was Wilkes, the defensive coordinator with three weeks left to go, but then goes and watches film to analyze the season comes back three weeks later, appalled, decides I'm going to fire eight more coaches, including the entire, every positional coach on defense and their assistant coaches, and then fires the offensive coordinator, the quarterback's coach, and I believe the. Who am I missing? There's one more offensive coach and now all of the top tier coaches are taken off the market because as we know, the coaching carousel started three weeks ago. So that's, you know, the jets being the jets. And then finally this one might be the funniest one. Brown's ownership interviews a number of candidates to be their new head coach after firing Kevin Stefanski. The one condition to all of these coaches though, they want to keep Schwartz on as defensive coordinator, which ends up costing them a bunch of head coaches. A bunch of coaches drop out of the running. They then hire Greg Roman to be their new head coach. And Jim Schwartz, upset that he didn't get promoted, ends up saying, I want out. I should have been the head coach. So they don't even get to keep Jim Schwartz.
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Dave Dameshek
Almost perfect. Todd Monken, not Greg Roman. But I, I'm picking up what you're laying down. I do love that the Browns move is to hire the. I mean that I talk about the incest of the AFC north all the time. I mean the, the Ravens are in fact the Cleveland Browns dressed in purple and playing in Charm City. I don't know what that team actually is up in Cleveland, but it ain't the Browns. They moved 25 years ago away from, from you guys. And the Browns, after flailing about out hired the. Not the head coach, even the coordinator of the Ravens to be their head coach. And that chases off Jim Schwartz, who somehow that message didn't break through. Hey, what we want is to keep Jim Schwartz as our DC While Jim Schwartz says, if you do that, I'm leaving. And then they do it. And now they're surprised that Jim Shores wants to leave.
- [48:27]
Gino Fuentes
Why don't they talk to each other?
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Mike Florio
That's what makes it the funniest thing. It's just like you constantly hear about old dysfunction in Cleveland. There was a report that came out that Monkin, who was actually shit talking the front office, saying what a mess it was when you would see other coaches before the game. Then they hire that guy. Then the guy says, well I wasn't going to be here. If you don't maybe head coach. Then he ends up leaving. How you don't talk. Yeah. Like send a text.
- [48:49]
Gino Fuentes
Just talk to each other.
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Mike Florio
Yeah. Get on a zoomer. You know, like some. How did not know that this is a thing. You could have let him walk and then early hired other guys. They would have brought their guy. Either way, you got Miles Garrett. He's doing all the work anyway. You know, what's the difference?
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Dave Dameshek
Well, it's funny you say that because the thing that strikes me and has with Todd Monkin and I've said it in past conversations the There are a lot of people who really spend a lot of time on the X's and O's and they'll tell you that Monkin is doing some clever stuff. But man, this one has that. That stink of boy. The situation was awfully good and awfully hard to screw up in Baltimore. When you start out with Lamar Jackson. Mark Andrews is a real good tight end. I'd have fallen off a little bit. But you know, when Monkin arrives three years ago and you have Derrick Henry behind him the last couple of years and didn't equal much playoff success, obviously some. Some nice gaudy numbers in stretches but not consistently. Again, even though you had Lamar Jackson, this is the guy you're sure he has. No, there's. There's not a ton of evidence. His stop before that was in college. Monkin. So. So I mean like you say, it's the Browns being the Browns, the Jets are. Are. Are a funny bunch. It seems like they're kind of woody. Feels like a victim of his own past failures that he can't. He's already. He's aware now that people have turned him into a punchline. And Aaron Glenn, based on what we saw just one season in should kind of mean that he gets fired. But. But they are now aware it's bad. It's a bad look how we just keep cycling through coaches so we better stick with this guy. But this was the time to get out from under.
- [50:31]
Gino Fuentes
But then here he goes, everyone.
- [50:33]
Dave Dameshek
Right.
- [50:33]
Greg Rosenthal
Right.
- [50:34]
Dave Dameshek
Well, yeah, exactly. And then the other one. Like we talked about the unforced error of Pula doing this and now unnecessarily making the Bills seem a lot less attractive. But what it amounts to is if you just pull back and look at the final result. This is entirely about maybe the guy who they said was sitting in on some of those interviews, Josh Allen maybe just said to Bagula, like, It's over with McDermott, I don't like him. I. Cause that is kind of, if you look at it, that's what it amounts to right there. Everybody's there. Joe Brady. So it wasn't like, we got to move on from this era. No, no. We're going to keep the offensive coordinator. Just get the guy who's allegedly the defensive whiz, who's the head coach and hasn't gotten us to the super bowl yet, despite having a superhero quarterback. Right, right. That's the math.
- [51:22]
Gino Fuentes
It has to be, because everything else stayed the same.
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Dave Dameshek
Okay, so bottom line is, with all due respect to you, jets and Bills, the Browns remain our funniest team in pro football. All right, I like talking. Everybody's talking about the Seahawks and Patriots, all the halves, and that was good times with Greg Rosenthal to do that. And like I say, we'll be talking plenty of Patriots and Seahawks on the other side of the weekend, when I'll be in Santa Clara, California, bouncing off the players and coaches to start the week. And we'll be on media row and all the rest. It looking forward to doing all of that. And we'll also make sure we keep an eye on the have not teams, the Browns and Jets included, and all the other teams that didn't make it to Super Bowl 60 until the other side of the weekend. Our first one without football. It hurts, but we're here for you. Thanks so much, my fellow football Americans. It's been a thin slice of heaven.