C (4:01)

Northwest, yeah.

D (4:02)

We're in the coast Range of Oregon right now.

B (4:04)

You've been listening to him, I Hope, the last 24, 48 hours. He has not taken off a second for the holidays. It seems Jonathan Zaslow Show 2.0 is rolling your. You know him, obviously, on the Le Batard show and all over espn. That's what he was doing. I think you just left doing that to join us here. It's Jonathan Zasla. What's the poop, fella? How are you?

C (4:28)

Hello, Dave. I'm good. Merry Christmas. Happy holidays to everyone. Good to see you guys. I'm glad to hang out and talk some football.

B (4:35)

It's a pleasure. You know, the super bowl kicks off in, I don't know, what, like six weeks, seven weeks from now? And then everybody always does the thing when they refer to the Academy Awards. They're like, this is the super bowl of movies. But I think Christmas is the super bowl of society, right? So it's like there's a letdown Today because we just. Society just had its whole super bowl celebration. Mine was pretty good. I hope yours was too. Zaz. You were working for most of it. Yeah. I mean, you don't really honor in your home the Christmas holiday, do you?

C (5:07)

We don't honor the Christmas. It does not get any honor in this as low mansion. We. We celebrate eight crazy nights of Hanukkah and as a result, since we don't honor the Christmas holiday, I have to pay that Jewish tax. The Jewish tax is. I had to work five hours on Christmas last night on ESPN radio. I have to cover for all my Christmas celebrating brethren and co workers. That's called the Jewish tax. So we were celebrating Christmas on the network last night.

B (5:37)

Did you eat well?

C (5:40)

Did I eat well?

B (5:41)

Did you do Chinese food? I mean, that's talk about the Jewish tradition on Christmas. That is it.

C (5:46)

Yeah. I had. I had falafel. All right, you know what falafel is? That is not. That is not a normal Christmas meal. But we had some great falafel in the zaslo mansion fridge and I decided, you know what, let's get after it. So we had falafel and PETA, you put some at tzatziki sauce on it. That's a great meal.

B (6:06)

All right. We have a lot of games we have to dig in on ZAZ Week 17. Critical ones at that. A lot of people are lamenting that there aren't some great races at the bottom chunk of both conferences to see who can sneak in for that seven seed. More important though is who gets the one seed. And those races are active and ongoing. And so we're going to make our picks there. I want to tell you this. Mine was a pretty magical Christmas. We went and on the 22nd we went because the weather allowed for it out here in southern California. We went and rode the coasters at six flags and look who I found on the bench sitting next to me. We were waiting. The. The little ones were doing some kiddie rides and we were just hanging out on the bench and look who. Look who came along and sat next to me.

C (6:52)

It's.

B (6:52)

It's Jesus.

C (6:53)

Is that Jesus? It's lego Jesus.

B (6:56)

It's lego Jesus now. Well, I. Well, I don't know. I think so. One in the. I'm pretty sure it's that Jesus. Here's the. Here's the question I have for you, you guys. Right out of the gate, he sat there, he was sitting there and I was like, I guess he should come with me. Was it wrong for me to take him off the amusement park bench. Or was that theft? Ho, ho, ho. Hi and hello. My fellow football Americans, we have officially arrived at the holiday season. And you know what that means. It's Dave saying ho ho, ho. Also, family food and football. The holidays aren't about stuffy get togethers, dinner parties or work parties you have to be at. They're about those unexpected side quests and spending time with the ones you love. And if you're lucky enough, doing so at a bowl game. I'm going to the Rose bowl this year to watch my Indiana Hoosiers. TIS Miller time. Tis always a great indicator that it's the holiday season. Miller is the original light beer. It's the taste you can depend on and has been trusted by beer lovers everywhere for 50 years, thanks to its clean finish, simple ingredients, and iconic golden color. And this year, there's another holiday we're celebrating. Well, I mentioned the Hoosiers in the Rose bowl, but that's not what I'm getting at here. It's Miller's 50th anniversary. That's what I'm talking about. And with only 96 calories, calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces, it's a great choice to let loose without weighing you down like all that food will. The best holiday beers are the ones you don't expect. Miller Light. Great taste, 96 calories. Go to millerlight.com fba to find delivery options near you if you want to stay at home. Or you can head out among the people and you can pick up some Miller Light pretty much anywhere they sell beer. Tis Miller time. See? Tis. And please always remember to celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Tis 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.

C (8:50)

Hi.

B (8:50)

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C (11:13)

It's someone there left him for you to take.

B (11:16)

That's how I take it. That was the only. That was just the first of my celebrity sightings around Christmas. I also was out shopping a couple of days ago and saw in the same mall at the same time within the span of like 90 seconds. I saw Brecken Meyer, the skateboarder kid from Clueless. And then I saw lead singer of Kiss, Paul Stanley. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, and then on Christmas Eve I saw out and about doing some shop, some shopping. John C. Reilly. Which is the best sighting? Jonathan Zasla.

C (11:51)

Well, I mean it's definitely, no offense, Brecken Meyer. It's not Brecken Meyer. Okay. I don't know if I would recognize Brecken Meyer these days. John C. Riley is a pretty good one, I think. I go John C. Riley.

B (12:02)

I told him. I listen, it's the holidays. I'm not one to get in the way of celebrities when they're out and about in the wild, but I did make an exception. And I said, you're the best, man. I said, you're the best. Merry Christmas to you.

D (12:15)

That's it.

B (12:15)

That, that, that. I didn't think that was a violation of his time too much. But I do think that the people who are expressing hate towards Christmas, people like, I'm sick of it all. These are the same people who hate the Beatles. Like, if you don't like the Beatles, then you just don't like. You know, like, then you don't like music because the Beatles did all kinds of. If you don't like Christmas, then you don't like anything because you can do whatever you want. It's the holiday after all.

C (12:41)

You know what? Let me tell you something that bothers me around Christmas time, all right? We as a society have gotten all caught up in the whole. No, no, no, not Merry Christmas. Happy Holidays. You want to be inclusive to everyone, right? I'm a Jewish person. I don't celebrate Christmas. I never have celebrated Christmas. If I'm out and about and you say Merry Christmas to me, I say thank you. Merry Christmas right there.

B (13:09)

Of course.

C (13:10)

What's wrong with telling me, Mary, you don't know what holiday I celebrate. The majority of people celebrate Christmas.

B (13:16)

It's.

C (13:17)

And it literally is. It's the thought that counts. Okay, you don't. You're not aware that I don't celebrate Christmas. You're still wishing me to have a. It means have a great holiday. You say Merry Christmas. Me, I' ma say merry. I'm gonna say thank you so much. Merry Christmas right back. I don't need you to say Happy Holidays. There's nothing wrong with telling everybody out there on Christmas, Christmas Eve, whatever. There's nothing wrong with wishing people a Merry Christmas.

B (13:42)

Of course not. But now that we have moved past Christmas and now New Year's is all that stands between us and. Well, not us. Because now that I'm in Southern California, it's not so dire. But I used to always say winter was great until January 2nd. Then than darkness. You know, emotionally, not just physically. When you look up early it. But now it's Happy Holidays because Christmas is in the rear view mirror. So now we got to go Happy Holidays for the next few days here. What I do have to say before it gets away from us here. I don't love the rolling discussion. I find it a little tired at this point of is die Hard A Christmas movie. I was past that by the end of the aughts. I think in this 21st century. More vexing to me remains though to be Dave the hypocrite here. People want to talk about his die Hard a Christmas movie by the way. Obviously it is. The whole movie is about has Christmas running through it. So obviously that settled hash. So too is this. But I have to belly ache about it. Once again we threw on zaz. You have the little ones at home. Did you watch Santa Clauses coming to town when they were, were when they were still little? You know, that's the origin story. Santa with the red beard and everything.

C (15:03)

That stuff's not appointment television again because Chris's doesn't get honored in Zaslow Mansion. But we've seen all of that stuff, you know, like Christmas Story of course. What a movie. So they've. It's not any kind of tradition, but yeah, we've seen all the, the Santa Claus, all the Christmas stuff. Sure.

B (15:17)

Well, that's good. That's a good movie. What's a bad one is Rudolph the Red nose Reindeer, which starts out with the birth of Rudolph and his red nose. And I, I, I've always gone in on his father because like they're, you know, Rudolph is born in the cave. And immediately like, well, we'll call him Rudolph, says Donner, they declare. And then his nose turns bright and Donner panics. Immediately. The baby has been born like 41 seconds ago. And immediately like, oh, no. Oh, what are we gonna do? Santa can't see this red nose. And what I realized is the crime of Donner is, is that he's a cuck. He's pathetic. But really it's about Santa, who is clearly a jerk of a boss, you know, like. And then sure enough, Santa shadows the door like this, this special intimate moment for the by the boss man showing up. I have to check out this, this new reindeer to see if nose turns red. He's like, well, he'll never fly in my sleigh, not with that nose. And then he launches into a song about himself. Then he like, I am old Kris Kringle. I'm the king of Jingle. Like, what? Hey, we're trying to celebrate the, the birth of our first child. Fats, what are you doing? And denouncing him. And then what? Is it any wonder that all the other kids wouldn't let him play their reindeer games? Not after, not after the big guy was bellyaching about him a minute into his life. Of course the children are in Santa and Now the whole story plays out. And now it's. And now it's a bad night out on Christmas night. And now what are we gonna do? I just wish Rudolph would have said screw. You shouldn't. You shouldn't have mouthed off to me when you did. But what's done is done. And now Christmas is canceled for everybody. So Donner moves down in the rankings, and Santa is number one on the biggest jerk of Christmas 2025. How say you.

C (17:07)

I mean, you put up a legitimate argument there, you know, But Hans Gruber. I mean, number one Hans Gruber, number one, worst guy on Christmas. I mean, come on, you know, get me my detonators and find me McLean. I mean, that's. And he tricked. He tricked John McClane, all right, when they were upstairs together, and then told his guys to shoot the glass. So John McLean's got a walk on the glass, on the shards of glass. And of course, he shot Takagi in the head and also killed Ellis. I mean, Ellis was just trying to have a great Christmas party.

B (17:50)

Don't let Ellis off the hook. Hook. Don't let Alice off, though.

C (17:53)

You know, a little bit of yayo under the nose when John McClain arrived. All right, he's just trying to have a good time. But I. I hear you. You don't want to let Alice off the hook. I get it.

B (18:00)

But why is Takagi. So here's a good question. Why is Takagi so cool with Ellis, though? Like, I mean, Takagi's running the ship here.

C (18:09)

True.

B (18:10)

And. And his right hand man is a cokehead. And, like, because McLean says to him, you missed the spot. Takagi standing right there, he hears the whole thing. Takagi doesn't care. You're cool with this? That this is. This is the face. Because clearly that's how Ellis perceives himself. He is the face of Takagi Tech Industries. Whatever. By the way, next time you watch it, which I guess won't be until next Christmas time, everybody within the sound of my voice, take note. Takagi is an arc. I assume he was the architect of the facility that was under construction that he and Hans Gruber look at just, you know, minutes before Takagi takes one in the head. When they're looking at it, the people who built Sofi stole the design of Takagi. Look at that. Wow. Look at it. It is exactly Sofi Stadium. Take away the name so by call it Takagi Dome.

C (19:10)

I will. I will check that out. By the way, Geno, what a hat you're wearing today. Look at that hat. That's A beautiful looking hat. I'm a company man says excellent.

B (19:22)

But first things first. Lamar Jackson, like I said, doubtful for Saturday night. Now, some soap opera drama now making the pages in Baltimore and beyond. Lamar and John Harbaugh tracking towards a divorce. There's some whispers now, loud now, now, people just saying it out loud. Lamar isn't trying hard enough. He spends too much time playing video games late into the night. The Ravens are changing practice schedules to accommodate Lamar. They're pla. They're scheduling them later in the afternoon like we've talked about here on the show. It does feel to me that Lamar is in need of that Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, mid career adjustment to his style of play. The results are in. He is a spectacular talent. The Ravens are generally pretty good so long as he's in the lineup. The issue now, number one, is he's not in the lineup as consistently as he needs to be and obviously they're not making the super bowl this year. They still have a chance, though, and we don't know have won the AFC North. It only seems like they're going to. And we were talking just before we got going here about Trevor Lawrence. All the doubters, they, they've gone out the window now. Trevor Lawrence has arrived. See everybody take it back. Has he. It's only week 17 in the regular season. He's got to deliver come January for this to be a full turnaround. So what do you think about first of all, I guess issue number one is Lamar Jackson. He's not going to be out there on Saturday night. And then DK Metcalf's not going to be out there on Sunday for the Steelers. I'm throwing a lot at you here. I guess let's jump right to the end here with the DK Metcalf thing because I think that's maybe the biggest story going right now is fan rights versus player rights are, you know, touching, touching a fan. The, the fan held a press conference on Friday morning saying I said nothing racist, which is, I mean, pathetic that the guy showed up in a suit with his hat on backwards and all of that. But that was what DK Metcalf. Metcalf led with was, was like, well, he was racial slurs. And apparently there's no evidence of that happening. So where do you come down on the two game suspension and all the rest of it?

C (21:41)

Well, we'll start with dk, right. So there's, there's no reason DK should have been in that situation because it's not like it's not like the NBA where you're on the bench and you got the fan right behind you saying something, and it's all right there and it's all happening in real time. Your DK Metcalf, you're a player on NFL sideline. You have to make a real effort to go over and have an interaction with a fan who is sitting in the stands, even if they're in the front row. There's no reason for DK Metcalf to be anywhere near the fan, especially once he hears that the fan is saying stupid stuff like go, hey, the NBA player loves telling security and kicking fans out of the building. Like, dk, if this guy is actually saying the things that you're saying, he's saying. And. And if he's been accused of stalking you in the past when you were in Seattle, hey, go tell the security. They'll get rid of him immediately. There's no reason that he needed to be anywhere near that fan. So I think DK got lucky that it was just two games. Heck, if there were four games left in the season, maybe would have gotten four games instead of two games, you know. So I think he's lucky that he got just the two games.

B (22:45)

Well, here's the other things as the, The. The pe. The part that people are skipping right past is the Steelers got lucky because had the on field ref seen that in real time, they would have tossed DK Metcalf. You can't be touching fans during the game. He would have gotten yanked right there. I think for the people arguing two games is too severe, which I agree with. It's. It's too many. But I think it's sort of the opposite of the Jalen Carter thing that started this season when he spit on. Who do you spit on? Dak Prescott, man. Sheesh. Boy, long time ago since the football season started. But yes, Jalen Carter, they said like time served, you know, he got kicked out of that game. So that's kind of like suspending him for a game. And I think that that's why DK Metcalf got two games, not one, because they should have kicked them out. And they understand that that had. That they missed it in real time. And in that case, if they had, I think the Steelers maybe lose that game as tight as it was against the Lions. And now we're having very different conversations about Detroit and Pittsburgh right now. So I think on that level at least the Steelers dodged a bullet it to not have DK Metcalf yanked out. But the other element of it too Is, is the whole premise of the reason the Steelers had to get away from George Pickens was because he, he wasn't behaving himself in game and otherwise. I mean, if this does lead to, I mean, listen, if, you know, Snoop Huntley and company lose in Lambeau, it's all moot. But if the Ravens win that game, game, and then the Steelers have the all time, like, you cannot lose to the Cleveland Browns, you in this spot. You just absolutely can't lose this game. But now we have, we, we don't have the only wide receiver on a pro football team who actually receives passes available to you if you lose that game. And now you go to Week 18 against the Ravens without DK Metcalf once again, and now you lose to Baltimore. What's the difference between George Pickens and D.K. metcalf? Selfish behavior. Right. I mean, I'm not, not to say they're going to cut him or anything. Like, isn't it kind of Robin Peter to pay Paul ultimately? No.

C (24:57)

That would be quite the story where you get rid of George Pickens because you're afraid of his behavior and you bring aboard a guy who, if the scenario that you just laid out, plays out that way, cost you your season. While George Pickens, you know, by all intents and purposes has been perfectly well behaved with the Dallas Cowboys this year, as far as the fan, well, reasonably well behaved.

B (25:21)

I mean, he's had a couple of little. But yeah, he's had a couple of little things going on. Yeah, he had to, he had a, he had a thing where he had to have a conversation with Brian Schottenheimer afterwards because he, he was a little out of bounds. But listen, obviously diva wide receivers are not a new thing in pro football, so. And by the way, the other element of it is that Mike Tomlin's whole thing is he deals with ne' er do wells better than anybody else, but somehow he couldn't deal with George Pickens. Very strange.

C (25:51)

And as far as the fan goes, I don't, I don't know how the fan hasn't been banned. I really don't. Whether he said a racial slur or, you know, whatever he, whatever you said, there's no reason for you to be wearing a stupid blue wig. I'm, I'm stunned that he has not been banned. It's such loser behavior. Again, I don't care what he said. I don't get the idea of going to a sporting event and you're gonna have a back and forth just because you have great Seats. And you're gonna have back and forth with a player. I'd be so embarrassed. I'd be so ashamed to be caught on television having some type of back and forth with a professional athlete. I'm a grown man.

B (26:30)

I don't.

C (26:30)

I don't know how this fan has not been banned. It is such loser behavior. I hate it.

B (26:34)

Yes, that is.

D (26:35)

That is a perfect comment, though.

B (26:36)

Just.

D (26:37)

Just have the professional athletes just pull a. Pull a Westbrook. I mean, he gets fans kicked out for saying something as anodyne as West Brick. It's like just. Just have a guy. Hey, this guy's been following me. It's kind of creepy. Can we just get this guy out of here?

C (26:50)

It was really.

D (26:50)

Security guards completely remove him.

B (26:52)

And then I would be remiss.

D (26:53)

I would be remiss if right now I don't say, remember to like and subscribe to Football America on all socials and Football America YouTube.

C (27:01)

And by the way, let me also add how worthless the security guards were. There, there. There were two security guards in their red security guard shirts watching the whole thing unfold, doing absolutely nothing. There was also a police officer. She was standing right there as well, doing nothing. There. There's an altercation with a player, a high profile player and a fan and a police officer just watching it, doing between. Yeah, worthless.

B (27:26)

The people who are apologizing for DK Metcalf are saying that their lead argument is like, he didn't hit him that hard. He didn't really catch him. First of all, he grabs this civilian who's a complete pain in the ass and an embarrassment as a grown up. You know, I completely agree with all that. But okay, what are you doing in the middle of a game that your team really needs to win? DK Metcalf. And you're grabbing a fan in the stands and pulling them down towards you and then in one. So you pull them towards you and then you try to give him the right, which is an interesting move. That's a good street fight move, come to think of it. Pull the guy towards you and then let go and then return. Give him back.

C (28:08)

That's a hockey fight move.

B (28:09)

Yeah, right.

C (28:10)

You give him the jab with. With the hand that you're holding onto the jersey.

B (28:13)

Yeah, yeah. But it's okay. So he misses him a little bit. And. And because he doesn't knock his turn his lights out. The. The crime is a little more forgivable. How about this? Don't attempt assault on a player in a game that your team really needs to have either way. If this Week 18 game in Pittsburgh has high stakes, namely the AFC north on the line for both sides, I kind of feel like second place, but not third place. Second place in this case. You're fired. John Harbaugh, people are talking about is. I mean, it sounds like people are ready to run him out of Charm City, but if the Steelers, it's hard to conceive of and the Steelers aren't going to fire him. However, you what, whatever terminology you apply, like they decided to part way or they didn't pick up his contract beyond 2026 and so he's decided to leave the Steelers. Whatever. If the Steelers lose to the Browns and then lose to the Ravens, I think that is not just in play. I think that is what's going to end up happening. I just hope that it's a moot point. Like I say, should we start picking some games here now?

C (29:22)

Yes.

B (29:23)

All right, let's do it. One more question, though, for you. Contradict myself before we start doing that. Doing our picks here is, is. It's the thing I talk about endlessly is the, the math does not allow for Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen and Joe Burrow to all win Lombardi trophies. Do you think. First question, as far as that goes, Travis Kelsey, I think, has one more game left and then it's on the podcasting and marriage and all the rest of it. I. Do you think Patrick Mahomes is done winning Lombardi's. Does he get one more in his career?

C (30:01)

I. It's funny you bring that up. So it's. Yeah, I, I talked about this, and I think there's a better chance of him not winning again than winning. So, yeah, I think my answer is I, I don't think he's gonna win again. And it's just, it's why the whole, you know, oh, you know, he's on his way to catching Brady. Seven. Seven. It's about seven. You know, like, like he's already won three Super Bowls, which is an incredible amount of Super Bowls. Brady's one of one, man. You know, like I keep hearing this. Oh, you know, he got the ACL injury now, remember Brady got the acl. And then he, then he went to his second hall of Fame career of his, of his career. And it's like, yeah, that, that's one guy ever. It's not happening again. The way Brady went about. I. I don't think Mahomes wins again. I don't.

B (30:52)

It's interesting because there's something about the eye test that that endured through all of the Lombardi's Tom Brady one, which is. It doesn't add up because he's never, he was never the most dynamic player on the field. And it felt like Belichick had a big hand in it and all of that. And then he washes off Belichick and then does it in one season, goes down to Tampa, vanquishes Aaron Rodgers. But I think we want to be witness in the moment to be we. Every generation thinks their guy is the best player. Right? Everybody, everybody always wants that. And that is true right now. And so if Patrick Mahomes wins that super bowl in February P He would be held up right now as the greatest of all time. And I also think if somehow Aaron Rodgers ran the table, I don't think he's going to, but if he did and won the super bowl somehow, he would then ascend in the rankings to like the second or third best quarterback in the history of people as well. We're, we're, we're desperate to apply those stakes to everyone's career. The issue is, I mean, fat Phil Rivers is sort of a. He's a great story right now, but he's also a harbinger for all these guys in their prime right now, which.

D (32:05)

Is.

B (32:07)

All of you guys are not getting Lombardi trophies. Marino, you talk about one of one, and there was Fran Tarkenton and Jim Kelly. But somehow Dan Marino is, is by far and away the singular figure of like, boy, sad, sad thing. For all of his greatness, he never got that one Lombardi. Guess what? That's going to be true for Lamar Jackson and or Josh Allen and or Joe Burrow. Do you think C.J. stroud's never getting one? Brock Purdy, Trevor Lawrence. What about if Matthew Stafford does it? That's one less Lombardi than all those names I just ran off for. You have, have available to them. It's going to be really weird. Bottom line, in about a decade from now, how many of these guys you say, oh, you got to give them a gold jacket. Are we still going to be singing, singing that song if these guys don't get Lombardi's? I think that is the cut line for how everybody can't make the hall of Fame. So that is going to be the applied standard, is it not? It's not going to be based on their statistics.

C (33:05)

Ultimately, I think it's completely reasonable what you're saying. It is interesting, though, because a lot of the quarterbacks that we've lost over the last few years, meaning Lozium died. But the ones that aren't playing anymore, you know, they, they all did. The great quarterbacks for not playing more, they all did win Super Bowls, right? Where it's Brady and it's both Mannings and it's Roethlisberger and it's soon to be Flacco. You know, like these guys, they're Breeze, these guys careers ended, but they all won. Rivers now came back. He was one of them who didn't win, but he came back. He's not going to win still. So it feels like Rivers is the only one of that group of this past generation that did not win anything. But I think you're right. I, I, it's too many guys out here that need to win a Super bowl that just aren't going to be playing long enough to make sure or at least not be in their prime long enough to make sure that they wind up retiring with a Super Bowl. And even just Jackson Allen Burrow, my guess would be at least two of those three end their careers without a Super bowl win.

B (34:11)

It's wild. And the guy we'd also didn't mention yet is Justin Herbert. He's another character who I think people sort of said, well, eventually he'll, he'll get one. The math does not math out these guys. Right? Well, right, exactly. I mean, and the guys most likely to get to the super bowl this year, I stand by it. We'll see if I'm right in about a month from now. Now, Caleb Williams, Bo Nix and Drake May are the most likely in their second seasons to get to the Super Bowl. Based on 21st century history, here's one more thing for you. My longstanding idea that now I've heard dozens and dozens and dozens of people say, but as far as I know, I'm the first person to offer up this idea, which is the loser bowl. Let's replace the Pro Bowl. Nobody cares about that. In fact, we have a loser bowl available here in NFL Week 17. It's the Giants versus the Raiders, both with two wins. Whoever loses this game wins in all likelihood the first overall draft pick in springtime. Why don't we do this every year? Why don't we just have the two worst teams play each other and the winner gets the first overall pick in the draft the following.

C (35:22)

When do they play it? Wild card weekend?

B (35:23)

Yeah, well, no, no, no. We play it. I, I, we, I appreciate you taking this seriously enough to try and pin me down on some answers here. We could do it wild card weekend, but wild card weekend and we've now updated that. That is going to be punctuated going forward, if you missed it, Zazz, by the number one seed going to the podium and announcing as soon as the final wild card game wraps and announcing we choose for the divisional round our opponent will be Jacksonville.

C (35:51)

That's right.

B (35:52)

Or San Francisco or whoever you choose. That's going to jazz that up quite a bit. I think it's the week in between the championship games and the Super Bowl. Bowl. That's when the Pro bowl was played. And instead now we're going to have a loser bowl.

C (36:05)

And of course loser bowl. It's, it's the winner of the loser bowl gets the number one pick. Right.

B (36:11)

That's. That's right. That's right. And we, and we have the worst band, the worst marching band in the country every year gets to play it.

C (36:19)

And who's the halftime show? It's Nickel, Nickelback or Creed or the halftime show.

B (36:23)

Right. They, they do a super group. Yeah, they super group it. Something like that. They play it out on a, on a burnt out junior high field like they deserve. This is, this is going to be a great idea once we get it. In the meantime, we'll have to. Hi and hello my fellow football Americans. The holidays are heating up on pick six. You know that DraftKings newest fantasy pick em game. Make your NBA picks for a shot to win big cash prizes this holiday season. Here's how it works. You just choose more or less on two or more player stats. The more accurate your picks, the bigger your payout and the jollier your holiday is. It's the kind of upside you'll only find on pick 6 6. Not those other pick them sites. And it's available in most states including Texas, California, Georgia and more. So what are you waiting for? Go and download the DraftKings pick six app now and use code DAMAGEK. New DraftKings customers can play just $5. Get $50 in pick six credits with the code DAMASHEK. D A M E S H E K Ride the upside in partnership with DraftKings pick six, the crown is yours to make do with Raiders and Giants. But let's jump in now, shall we? To to these week 17 games and Eagles Bills. We'll start. There it is the NFL countdown. The most consequential games. Who's going to win them and by how much. Eagles Bills. Home team Buffalo laying a point and a half. 43 and a half is the total. Zaz, how do you think this one plays out?

C (37:50)

Yeah, I'm not Trusting the Eagles right about now, the Bills. The Bills still have a lot to play for. Yes, they're still alive for the division, but they really want to jump from six to five in the AFC Wild card because that's a major difference. It's the difference between playing potentially at Jacksonville or potentially playing at Pittsburgh. So the Bills desperately want to wind up jumping up to a number five. The Eagles have a ton to play for as well still, but I just don't trust this Eagles team right now on the road in this spot. I like Buffalo minus a point and a half.

B (38:22)

I'm going the exact opposite of you. I'm going Philly3127 to be exact about it. The Eagles have somehow with the, with the rolling football conversation that we're a part of and love to perpetuate, somehow in this long NFL season, the reigning champs have slipped through the cracks and everybody's ignoring them. They are a viable candidate to get to the super bowl once again this year. Take a look at the nfc. They are going to have a tough putt to get there because obviously, almost certainly they're going to have to win three games, you know, two road games to get there and all of that. But I do think against this Bill's defense, there's a chance to get further right with Jalen Hurts & Co. And I do think, I disagree with you that I don't like this Eagles team right now. I do think they're hints. Hints that they're starting to turn it around ever so slightly and the Bills are just completely suspended into a space that they otherwise would not occupy were it not for their superhero quarterback. He's got a bum foot. That all adds up to Philadelphia winning this one for me. And what your, what your larger point is, it's fascinating that the five seed, whoever that is, is going to be favored in Pittsburgh or Baltimore. Right? I mean, like who. Whoever that is. Chargers, Bills, Texans, maybe the Jags, probably not. But whoever that is is going to be the favorite team playing the AFC north.

C (39:52)

Champ. I would imagine Buffalo would be favored by a touchdown in that.

B (39:55)

Game.

C (39:56)

Wow. I mean, I can see him be. I could see them favored by six.

B (39:58)

Points. I mean, that, that, that stands to reason given the, the hammering they put on the Steelers. But again, that's not settled hash yet. Speaking of which, Steelers at their ancient, not rival, whatever word you want to apply here, hammer v nail. Typically Browns +3 at the time of this recording, which is a slap in the face to the Steelers that they're only catching three against Shador and company. 34 and a half is your total. Again, this is a pro football game, everybody. 34 and a half is your total. House, they use.

C (40:32)

Ass. It's, you know, with such a low total, you would like to take the points. All right. It means not gonna be a ton of points scored. So you don't, you don't want to bet on there being a lot of separation, but, man, like, I, I, I have to trust that the Steelers come through in this big spot. You're at the Browns. I understand the Browns have a great defense. Miles Garrity still chasing the sack record. I have to believe Pittsburgh does what needs to be done. I'll take the Steelers -3 on the.

B (41:00)

Road. Well, this, it's, this one is fraught. If you're looking to put something down on it right now. I mean, I would encourage you to wait out the Saturday night game in Lambo, and we'll give you our pick on that one in a second here. But if the packers take care of Baltimore for the Steelers, then it's likely Mason Rudolph under center, and that means Miles Garrett breaking the sack record against the guy he tried to murder in front. Oh.

C (41:30)

Yes.

B (41:30)

Assault. Yeah, yeah. I mean, swung a helmet at him. And people want to talk about, like, ah, you're getting a, you're a little histrionic, Dave. If that helmet had hit that guy in a bared head, like, I mean, maybe not dead, whatever. Like if his. The NFL dodged such a bullet on that one. Imagine if you, if Miles Garrett, one of the biggest stars in the league, just cracked open a quarterback open. I know this is grim stuff the day after Christmas, but that's what Miles Garrett did. But imagine the completion of that circle. Somehow that's not justice.

C (42:03)

Served. That's a great storyline. I'm rooting for that now, Dave. Not the cr. Not the head being cracked open part, but Miles Garrett trying to get the record against Mason Rudolph. I'm into that.

B (42:13)

Storyline. If yes, I hope Mason Rudolph has enough dignity to. If Miles Garrett gets close to him, to take off Miles Garrett's helmet and hit him in the head with it, then that would complete the circle. Tough game to pick in the here and now. If it does come down to it, it with all the marbles because the one thing Pittsburgh does not want is to have to beat Baltimore again in a must win to win the division. It, I mean, it's not exactly. I talk about the curse of supposed to zaz that when you're the team that's supposed to win that applies extra pressure to you without the DK Metcalf. I don't even know that you would rightly say, well, the Steelers obviously are the way they're obviously supposed to win this game. I don't know. I mean, they, they don't have wide receivers who catch passes besides DK Metcalf. And like we say, he's not going to be on the field there. So let's just hope if you're rooting for Black and gold in Week 17, that the packers take care of business. That's the main event for you. Jags, Colts, Fatville Rivers and company underdogs plus six and a half, 48 and a half against the rising Jacksonville Jaguars. How say you.

C (43:20)

Ask? I've watched every snap of the Colts the last two weeks. I I love this Philip Rivers story. I love watching him out there, Old man Rivers trying his hardest to throw the ball down the field, just duck after duck. I think the Colts, I, I think this a live home dog. I do. I I know that's that it could be shocking to people. I think Philip Rivers, I think he could pull out a win, not just covering here. So give me the Colts plus six at.

B (43:50)

Home. Boy. Yeah, it would sort of be justice served. Cold revenge. Remember when Carson Wentz and the Colts were about to win the division? All they had to do or get into the playoffs at minimum, was just go down and beat the bum Jags. It was a, it was, it was an afterthought of a game. And then the Jags actually did knock off Carson Wentz and the Colts and knocked them out of the postseason in a way. At least this wouldn't knock the Jags out of it, but it would end any chance that they have of getting the number one see or getting the division crown. Or I guess that would put the Texans in the driver's seat at minimum to, to, to get that and a significant difference in the path to get to the super bowl at that point. I hear you, man. I the Colts on the money line are intriguing. The. The Jags have had very little resistance. It feels like even beating the the Broncos, which is the one game I thought they were going to drop. I said six weeks ago. So if nobody's paying attention, Jacksonville has the breeziest path to the division title, to a division title of any of the contenders. And they've made me look smart there, even going out to Denver last week. Who told you that one? Gino? Did I tell you that? I saw you on social media, by the way, Gino, saying Like no one saw this coming on this very show. I told you the Jags were going to beat the.

C (45:09)

Broncos. Yeah, I mean, but you weren't.

B (45:12)

Serious. Come on.

C (45:13)

Nobody. I mean, between.

B (45:16)

Us, I, I think this is, this is an upset special. Zaz and I both give this one our stamp of approval. Colts at home. Fat Phil Rivers. It is funny too, that he's this fat old man and his natural throwing motion is, is, is just so fundamentally wonky that it's perfect. It makes him look extra old out there. I love it. Trying to. Yeah, it's great. Except that it's embarrassing. Danny, Quarterback in his prime. Like this guy is a viable option. What. What does that make me? I should be. I'm red in the face is what I am. Seahawks, Panthers, Panthers plus seven. Your front runner in the mighty NFC south against the front runner in all the NFC right now at the time of this recording. Panthers at home plus seven, 42 and a half is your total. Zaz, how say.

C (46:03)

You? Huge game for both these teams. The Panthers, if the Buccaneers lose their game, which is the Dolphins, the Panthers, they clinch the NFC south this weekend. And this way they don't have to care about a matchup in Week 18 at the Buccaneers for the division. The Seahawks, on the other hand, number one obviously in the NFC is totally in play. I like the Seahawks here. I, I think the line at 7 makes sense to me. I know the Panthers are going to be a trendy pick, plus seven at home. I like the Seahawks.

D (46:35)

Though. I've got a question, a follow up question for you that I think is important. Maybe a higher end, bigger philosophical question. We talk about the Panthers, we talk about the Jaguars, and I'm curious to know. There are things. We have big cats, but why aren't there any big.

C (46:52)

Dogs? Yeah, there's. There's no like pit bulls, you know, there's no team named the pit Bulls.

B (47:00)

Or. Well, you know, there are there and you're right because we have lions and we have tigers and even variations of tigers. We even go deep enough in Bengal Tigers. It's not enough to just, just be a garden variety Tiger. I think it's because I think there are certain beasts on the planet earth that are too loathsome to name your team after. Like you couldn't be the Detroit tape worms. Like that would be people. Nobody would get behind that, you know, and there's certain bugs. Like you couldn't be the mosquitoes. Like people wouldn't, People wouldn't cheer for you if you were that. That I don't think you could be the Dobermans. I think, I think people, people are scared of. And you certainly couldn't be the German shepherds.

C (47:43)

Right. Could it be the.

B (47:44)

Rottweilers? The big dogs are not as lovable as, as their cat brethren. Is that, is that a sufficient answer for.

D (47:53)

You? I think so.

C (47:54)

Yeah.

B (47:54)

Yeah.

C (47:54)

Yeah. That's a good question. That's a very good.

B (47:56)

Question. What other kind of dogs are there that are super big? What are those ones that look like a horse? They're so big. Big. You know, the Great Danes. Yeah, go Great.

D (48:05)

Danes. It's like Marmaduke's not.

B (48:08)

Scary. Yeah, we can't do.

D (48:09)

That. We got, we only got, we only got seven minutes. Seven, seven minutes 30 seconds. We got to get these game picks.

B (48:13)

Going. All right, I say Seahawks. I say, as I've said all season long, if you like a team to win straight up, then you like them up to seven and the Seahawks are minus seven. So I'm taking the Seahawks here. Bears, Niners, Harkins for an old man like me, matchups back in the 80s in January, the Niners in this one, laying 3:52 and a half, two feel good stories. And I said this, the Eagles are somehow flying under the radar. So too are the, are the 49ers. That's who you.

C (48:42)

Got. Yeah. I think the Niners are going to finish first in the nfc. That happens if they win their final two games because next week they host Seattle, which would mean that literally the super bowl goes through San Francisco. They would have home field advantage throughout the entire postseason. And the Super Bowl. I don't think they has ever happened before. You've had Tampa win a home Super Bowl. They had to play on the road, though. You've had the Rams play a home Super Bowl. I believe they had to play on the road as.

B (49:05)

Well.

C (49:06)

Right. San Francisco has an opportunity to have every postseason game, including the super bowl at home. They look as good, especially offensively as anyone right now. I think the Bears are a really good team, but I don't think they're good enough to go on the road and win this game on Sunday night. I like San Francisco. Laying the.

B (49:23)

Three. Yeah, I like San Francisco as well. I, I, I mean, was there a cooler move all season? I mean, this millennium, then throwing that deep shot that Caleb Williams did an OT and before the ball hit its peak in the air, he had his hands in, in his pockets. I thought that was, that was pretty cool stuff for a guy who's taken a lot of slings. And arrows for the painted fingernails and crying after games and everything. I think this, that offsets sets everything to this point in his.

C (49:56)

Career. I'm a big fan of Caleb Williams. I'm not surprised that, like, I understand he doesn't he. He's not exactly yet what people think he's going to be, but it says a lot to me in a game like last week where he's not so great the first three quarters, but then the fourth quarter, makes all the plays, makes all the big throws. That means something to me. I. I'd rather see that out of a young quarterback, you know, just his second year, than a quarterback who plays really well in the first three quarters in year number two and then can't do anything for you in the fourth quarter. So I like what I.

B (50:25)

See. Yeah. And on the other side of things, again, you know, the Niners slept on. I announced that I was, I was off of the Niners as my NFC representative in Super Bowl 60 when Nick Bosa got hurt and then Fred Warner got hurt on top of it. And I thought, well, that that's it for that team. How far can they really take this thing? And Bob Salas still somehow has that defense, you know, keeping its head above water. And as you say, Kyle Shanahan once again proving that he can make everyone this side of Trey Lance work. I wonder what it means for Mac Jones in 2026 if he has some people trying to figure out how to get him onto their roster. I mean, and Sam Darnold, same thing coming at learning at the NIA KOC last year and Danny Dimes until he got hurt. Man, you get around these QB whisperers. I think again, like we've talked about previously, Zaz this year, I think, think that there's a case to be made that the coach is more important than the guy at the trigger. Look at Ben Johnson, what he's done for Caleb Williams in year two there. Ravens, Packers. Packers laying four and a half on the Lamar Jackson doubtful news. Forty and a half is your total on this one. Jordan love practicing, but we don't know if he's going to be out there. Malik Willis did look pretty good last week, though. How say you on this.

C (51:43)

One? Yeah, believe it or not, I think the Ravens wind up keeping this game.

B (51:46)

Close.

C (51:47)

Close. Even if it's Snoop Huntley. I'm not in love with the packers right now. I think the Ravens can keep this game close. I don't like them winning it. But again, the total is just 39 and a half. So you're probably getting a low scoring game here so I like having the points in my back pocket. Give me the Ravens plus four and a.

B (52:01)

Half. I think the Ravens the big story was coming off of Sunday Night Football was why didn't they continue to ride Derrick Henry in a game that they would have won had they just continued to ride Derek Henry. I think they do not make that mistake. Take again here what we saw from the packers last week and you know, I guess they can survive without Micah Parsons. That doesn't mean that that's the end of the story. Here they are without their critical defensive piece now going forward, I think the Ravens go in there and get this one and force the Steelers hand at least to win in Cleveland and maybe take it back to the banks of the three rivers for for week 18. Next up, Texans Chargers another huge one in the AFC. ZAZ Chargers laying a point and a half. 39 and a half is your total. I think this will be one of those rare SOFI games in which there are more fans of the Chargers than the road team here. I don't know how many Texans fans exist out in the wild or certainly in la. Either way, how say you on this.

C (53:00)

One? I like the Texans. Even though it's just a point and a half, I like the Texans to win this game. Chargers offensive line a little bit beat up here. This should be a defensive battle. Should be a low scoring game here. Texans are obviously surging of late. I like Houston in this spot. Give me the.

B (53:15)

Points. I think the Texans are perhaps if it's not the Jags, the Texans might be the best team in the afc. This is the mistake a lot of people keep making and I hear people. I think it's the talking heads that perpetuate this in the rolling football discussion, which is like Josh Allen's got to win the super bowl this year, right? No, if Lamar is not going to be there and Patrick Mahomes, this is it. That that headline, that storyline has consumed all of the oxygen and it ignores how good the Broncos are and how good the Patriots are and how good the Texans are. I think the Texans, as I say, are playing the best of anybody in the afc. Their obstacle is going to be having to win three road games. Unless the Jags stumble somewhere along the way. I think the Texans go in there and take care of this team. That pass right rush against a debilitated offensive line. As good a job as Harbaugh and company have done in getting around the lot. The lack of those two tackles getting injured. I think it catches up with them against this mighty pass rush from the Texans. Texans win this one straight up. And with only a minute to go. Zaz, we don't have to bother with the foul. The Rams and Falcons. I think the Rams are going to win that one, right? We're not going to debate that, are.

C (54:30)

We? We're not going to debate.

B (54:31)

That. Okay, so they're going to win that one. And instead, let's talk about. About Tom Brady. Your thoughts on Tom Brady. This is another storyline that is in front of me all the time, whether I care about it or not. Spoiler alert. I don't care about it at all. Tom Brady is getting better as a.

C (54:51)

Broadcaster.

B (54:51)

Yeah. How say.

C (54:53)

You? Yeah, I think he is.

B (54:54)

Great. Yeah, he should. He get. He does it every week when he should get better.

C (54:58)

Every. Yeah. Hold on a second. Are there people out there who think that when you've never done something before, that maybe a year or two later, after doing it every single week, you'll be better at the thing you've never done when you first started it? Is that, like, what we're talking? Yes, of course. Of course. He's gotten better and he's gonna probably wind up being pretty good, so. Yeah, I'm with you there.

B (55:19)

Man. He's fine. Yes, you started him at the top of the mountain and he got exposed, but, yes, he's getting a little bit better. One last thing, Zaz, is we do what you were eating. Falafel. We do. Our tradition on Christmas Eve is breakfast for dinner. Dinner? You can only have breakfast for dinner for the rest of your life or dinner for breakfast. Which one are you.

C (55:38)

Choosing? Oh, breakfast for dinner. Come on. Yeah. Like, I. I can't wake up in the morning and have steak and potatoes. Like, that's. That's too heavy first thing in the morning. But. But French toast, pancakes, bagels in the evening. You could stereotype me. I love bagels and lox. I'll have that for dinner. No.

B (55:55)

Problem. Delicious. A delicious effort from you. Jonathan Zaslow, Zaslow Show 2.0, Dan LeBatard Show, Eric ESPN Radio. Getting you right for college football and beyond. Geno Fuentes, drunk. Look at him. He can barely keep his head up.

C (56:10)

There. Hammered.

B (56:11)

Soup. Campbell gonna go make himself some. Some super. I don't know what. Thanks for joining us here. Remember, subscribe on YouTube and wherever you find your podcast. We appreciate it. We'll be back on the other side of NFL Week 17 to try and make some sense of it for you and get you right for round two of the college football play playoff. Until then, thanks so much and happy holidays. Not Merry Christmas anymore, but Merry Christmas for yesterday. To Zazlo's earlier point. We'll talk to you soon. Until then, thanks so much, my fellow football Americans. It's been a thin slice of heaven.