The Hockey Show: Blubbering in Boston

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

The Hockey Show: "Blubbering in Boston"

Date: October 24, 2025
Hosts: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz (Roy Bellamy & Dave in studio)
Featured Guest: Johnny Lazarus

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Episode Overview

Broadcast from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, this “Hockey Show” episode dives deep into the emotional return of Brad Marchand to Boston, the evolving dynamics of the Florida Panthers and New York Rangers, youthful success stories across the NHL, and includes colorful debates on hockey traditions and offbeat moments from around the league.

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Episode Structure and Key Segments

1. Setting the Stage: The Boston Return (01:02–07:03)

• Focus: Brad Marchand’s dramatic return to Boston after joining the Panthers.
• The panel recounts the anticipation: Marchand faces his former team for the first time, following a failed contract extension and subsequent trade request.
• Notable Quotes:
  • “[The Bruins’] tribute video to him was really, really nice. Everybody stood, they applauded, and Brad Marchand was a blubbering mess. He was tearing up.” — Roy Bellamy (04:48)
  • “He was a big, blubbering mess. Roy, you took the word from me. It was excessive.” — Dave (05:49)
  • “He spent 16 years in that city winning one Stanley Cup in 2011.” — Roy (05:17)

2. Hockey Talk – Game Recaps & News (07:03–14:40)

• The Sabres’ goaltender shuffle and the emergence of Colton Ellis, who claimed his first NHL win with his family in the stands.
• Sidney Crosby’s milestone and the NHL’s penchant for oddly specific stats (“the longest goal streak by a Penguins player age 38 or older”).
• Notable Quotes:
  • “Stopped 27 of those pucks out of 29 shots... Got his first NHL career win in his first NHL career start.” — Roy (08:21)
  • “Why should I care about 38-year-olds? Because it's Sidney Crosby.” — Roy & Dave (12:18–12:35)

3. Segment – Puck Luck (15:27–16:45)

• Betting picks presented by DraftKings:
  • Auston Matthews over 3.5 shots (Leafs @ Sabres)
  • Over 6.5 goals, Sharks @ Devils
  • Kyle Connor over 2.5 shots (Jets)
• Total Parlay Odds: +448

4. Listener Q&A: Top Goons in Hockey (16:45–18:23)

• Question: Are hockey “goons” still necessary, and who are the top five of all-time?
• Lists Highlighted: Ty Domi, Bob Probert, Terry O’Reilly, Marty McSorley, Stu Grimson, George Laraque, Donald Brashear, and more.
• Notable Quotes:
  • “It’s a very integral role in hockey even nowadays. Like, you need to have a guy the other team is afraid is going to come after them if you go after their star player.” — Dave (18:23)

5. Buffalo Sabres Recap – "In a Minute" Segments (19:05–21:26)

• Spanish and English mini-recap by guest Kristen, filling in for Rosie.
• Covers the Sabres’ week: two wins (including a shutout over the Panthers and a victory against Detroit), one tough loss (Montreal).

6. Wins & Fails of the Week (21:41–24:56)

• Wins:
  • Fashion: Nordiques vs. Whalers retro jerseys in Denver.
  • Baseball/Hockey crossover: Vladimir Guerrero Jr. wearing an Auston Matthews Leafs jersey.
• Fails:
  • Playing in the dark: Calgary vs. Montreal delayed by arena lighting issues.
  • Sharks coach Ryan Warsofsky’s emotional postgame: “I’d give up one of my children for a win!” (apologized later).

7. Deep Dive – The New York Rangers & NHL Standouts (26:11–44:48)

Guest: Johnny Lazarus from Daily Faceoff

Rangers Analysis (26:11–33:47)

• Rangers’ up-and-down performance: offensive explosion (5 goals vs. Sharks), defensive breakdowns, and “mental errors.”
• Praise for Adam Schaefer (Islanders’ breakout 18-year-old defenseman) and Igor Shesterkin.
• Classic brawl: Ryan Reaves vs. Matt Rempe (“Rempe is a terrible fighter, but it's great theater.” — Johnny, 33:19)

Standout NHL Surprises (34:22–37:01)

• Montreal & Detroit start hot in the Atlantic, Chicago on the rise, Oilers and Kings underperforming.
• The matinee idol: “Matthew Schaefer’s story has been unbelievable...might be the most unhateable player I’ve ever seen.” — Johnny (34:29)

Trophy Talk & Youthful Excellence (37:01–40:49)

• Norris Trophy candidacy for Schaefer? Hosts and Johnny agree it's early but not impossible.
• Utah Mammoth’s Logan Cooley fast out of the gate, credit to “Tusky” the mascot, and the organization’s strong start.

Olympic Village and Player Culture (41:04–43:20)

• The reality of star NHLers living dorm-style at the Milan Olympics.
• Johnny: “I don’t think these guys give a damn where they sleep...when you’re in the Olympics and representing your country, it’s all about being on the ice and the bonding.”

Brad Marchand's form at 38 (43:20–44:48)

• All panelists agree his strong play is no surprise considering his career, role, and work ethic.

8. Panthers Den (47:28–54:44)

• Recap of the Panthers’ struggles: four straight losses, end the skid with an emotional win in Boston (“Blubbering in Boston”), then falter at home vs. Penguins.
• Power play improvements, defensive zone lapses, and the need for veteran players to step up.
• "Panthers’ third periods have not been good…they have lost their map to Shutdown City.” — Dave & Roy (50:25)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “He was a blubbering mess. It was excessive.” — Dave (on Marchand, 05:49)
• “You need to have a guy that the other team is afraid is going to come after them if you go after their star player.” — Dave (18:23)
• “Matthew Schaefer’s story has been unbelievable...he might be the most unhateable player I’ve ever seen.” — Johnny Lazarus (34:29)
• “Third periods have not been good… they’ve lost their map to Shutdown City.” — Dave (50:25)
• Ryan Warsofsky: “I’d give up one of my children for a win.” (quickly walked back, 24:31–24:54)

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Highlighted Timestamps

• 01:02–07:03 – Brad Marchand’s emotional return to Boston
• 07:30–09:37 – Buffalo Sabres goalie situation & Colton Ellis’ debut
• 12:05–14:56 – NHL’s Crosby obsession, three stars voting process
• 15:27–16:45 – Puck Luck Parlay (betting segment)
• 18:01–18:23 – Are enforcer “goons” still needed in hockey?
• 21:54–24:56 – Wins and Fails
• 26:11–44:48 – Extended Johnny Lazarus interview on Rangers, league surprises, young stars, and Olympics
• 47:28–54:44 – Panthers week in review

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Summary Takeaway

This episode serves as a fun and honest snapshot of today’s NHL—full of inside jokes, passionate debate, and behind-the-scenes insight on everything from locker-room emotions to the fate of “goons” and breakout rookies. It shines brightest discussing the humanity behind the headlines, whether it’s Marchand’s tears, the joy of Ellis’ family in Buffalo, or the goofy glory of hockey’s great jersey nights. The show holds its signature playful tone while keeping the conversation rich, relevant, and deeply rooted in hockey culture.

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Roy Bellamy]

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[Roy Bellamy]

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[Johnny Lazarus]

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[Roy Bellamy]

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[Dave]

We have a producer, do we not?

[Roy Bellamy]

Yes, we have a fill in producer right now. Behind the Wheels of steel. Hello, Danny. Gq.

[Johnny Lazarus]

Hey everybody.

[Dave]

What's going on?

[Roy Bellamy]

Doing good. Doing good. He watched one Panther game this year.

[Dave]

Is that good? My ratio, one for seven is that. I think that's a decent ratio considering you're not a hockey guy. I'm a Panthers fan. I don't exactly watch all. Oh, how many they play? 82.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, 82.

[Dave]

Yeah. Okay. But I watched the big games. I saw the. The game on ESPN against the Bruins.

[Roy Bellamy]

Did you? You didn't even watch the. You didn't watch opening night, huh?

[Dave]

I did not watch opening night.

[Roy Bellamy]

Oh boy.

[Dave]

No, no. I'm excited to hear your hockey. I saw. Actually, you know what Chats now I think about it. I saw them raise the banner and then I changed the channel.

[Roy Bellamy]

Oh, wow. All you saw was the banner. You didn't stay for the game?

[Dave]

No, no. Just assumed the win. I did. Did they win? I have no idea.

[Roy Bellamy]

They did win. They won the first three games of the season. Great.

[Dave]

And they're not looking so good so far, huh?

[Roy Bellamy]

No, they are not. All right. They. They are not. Let's get into what happened in Boston. We'll talk about the game a little later. But the Panthers strolled into Boston on Tuesday to play the Bruins. And it was a big deal. It's a gigantic deal because it was the return of Bradmarshand, their former captain. Last year. The Bruins front office and Brad Marchand did not agree to a potential contract extension. And it kind of. Kind of hurt. Brad Marchand fell apart a little bit. Yeah. Yes, he did. And if you guys remember, during the four nation tournament, he and Sam Bennett buried the hatchet. And for some strange reason, it was that hatchet burial, which is why brat Marchant decided to go to the Bruins front office and said, there's only one place for me to go if you're gonna train me, and that is to the Florida Panthers.

[Dave]

That's smart, though.

[Roy Bellamy]

Very smart. You know, the defending champions at that time, you know, they were on the up, and there's a good chance that they might repeat, and they eventually did.

[Dave]

Well, he didn't want to go somewhere else just to lose to Florida. Like he could have stayed in Boston for that.

[Johnny Lazarus]

He didn't.

[Roy Bellamy]

You know, you don't all lose in the first round.

[Dave]

Well, that's what I'm saying. You know, the best case scenario is either go to the Panthers and win Stanley Cups or go somewhere else and probably lose to the Panthers over the next decade.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, that's true. Now, he did not play the Bruins last season after the trade deadline because he was injured. He returned a little bit before the playoffs started, and as we said, the rest is history. Now going into this week, Palmeris decided to start Marshawn's line. So he was out there on the ice during the national anthem, which was really a really good moment there.

[Dave]

Not his national anthem, but yeah.

[Roy Bellamy]

Well, I mean, he is Canadian, so, yes, he just stood there and like, okay, I'm getting ready for the game, blah, blah, blah.

[Dave]

Not for today's discussion. But it's such a silly thing that they still do that.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, it's stupid. It's stupid. And what they did in Texas is even, even dumber now. They made it mandatory via law in Texas to play the national anthem at sporting events, but whatever. Well, that's another discussion. But the big moment happened during the Bruins tribute video to him. That was really, really nice. Everybody stood, they applauded, and Brad Marchant was a blubbering mess. He was tearing up. And it makes sense considering they spent 16 years in that city winning one Stanley cup in 2011.

[Dave]

Very classy by the Bruins, by their fans. Just overall, really cool moment by everybody involved. Yeah, I liked what I saw. I mean, I don't know how much hockey fans in general, and we'll toss it to Danny here for his take on this, but to see a tough hockey player, not just any tough hockey player, but Brad Marchand's been one of, you know, controversial for a good chunk of the first part of his career, but certainly one of the toughest guys in the league.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. Plays bigger than his body.

[Dave]

Oh, absolutely. But. But the waterworks were flowing. He was a big, blubbering mess. Roy, you took the word from me. It was. It was excessive. Okay.

[Roy Bellamy]

Excessive.

[Dave]

It was excessive. He's not the first legend to return back to. Is he even from Boston? Did he grow.

[Roy Bellamy]

He's from Nova Scotia.

[Johnny Lazarus]

Exactly.

[Dave]

It's not even like his hometown. He's not the first legendary player to go back to the city that drafted him. It was a little much, I thought, and I'm a Panthers fan. I like Brad Marchand. I was happy when we traded for him last season, but it was. I was watching the game with my wife, and even she was like, why is this dude crying so much?

[Roy Bellamy]

But did she know that he spent 16 years playing for the Boston Bruins?

[Dave]

It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. If he played there for one year and he won a Cup. It was a lot. It was. It was very dramatic. Would it be allowable if it was his hometown? If he grew up in Boston, played his whole career there? I, like. I equate it to, like. Like LeBron going back to Cleveland. Like, I could obviously understand. That's very emotional. Grew up there, drafted by the team, won championships, whatever. Yeah, but it's not like this guy's even from Boston.

[Roy Bellamy]

What's going on there.

[Dave]

It was very excessive. It was. He was a big, blubbering. He's got a point. Like, he does have a point. Do I necessarily agree with him? I don't know, but that's a very valid point by gq.

[Roy Bellamy]

It's very smart for Paul Maurice not to put him back on the ice immediately after that video tribute because the tears would have frozen on the ice. It would have been bad. But he had to get himself together, and he did. And he did very well because he had two assists in that game and that. And he got the first start. But that game was a mess, especially in the third period. And we'll get into that a little bit later. But there was a good story out of Buffalo this week because of rookie goaltender Colton Ellis.

[Dave]

Yeah, that was cool.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. Buffalo Sabres goaltender situation is an interesting run.

[Dave]

Our old boy Alex Lyons doing okay?

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. Yucopeca Lukonen is hurt and they waived Alexander Georgiev, sent him to Rochester. Right. So they claimed Ellis after the Blue. The Blues waived him. So after that it's him and Alex Lyon. Those are the two goaltenders that the Buffalo Sabers have right now. Alex Lyon came from Detroit via free agency, so those are the two goaltenders. Ellis made his debut when the Sabres beat the Red Wings 42 on Wednesday. The Red Wings did not have a shot on goal until 10 minutes into the first period.

[Dave]

That's so tough from the goaltending perspective, too. Your first game, you're so jacked up. The emotions are flowing. All you want to do is stop some pucks.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah.

[Dave]

And then you're standing around.

[Roy Bellamy]

He eventually stopped 27 of those pucks out of 29 shots on goal by Detroit. Made 10 high danger saves out of 12. Those two goals came in the high danger area and stopped six shots off of rebounds. Got his first NHL career win in his first NHL career start. UPL is close to returning for the Sabres. So again, the Buffalo Sabres goaltender situation is interesting and they are going to have to make some decisions.

[Dave]

The UPL has been the goalie of the future for a while. Like, when is he going to be the goalie of now?

[Roy Bellamy]

The goal, the goalie of the current? Kind of like Spencer Night in Chicago, huh?

[Dave]

Well, and the Sabres, I mean, you know, I mean, Alex Lyon, we love Alex Lyon, but I feel like he's almost like, for lack of a better term, like a placeholder because they got upl. Devin Levi is still floating around somewhere, and this is a team that's been stockpiling future assets, drafting all these young, talented guys, like, waiting for the Sabres to turn the corner. It's like, you know that meme, like.

[Roy Bellamy]

Looking at your watch down the street from the corner, the way things are.

[Dave]

Looking, like, yeah, it's like they're right there. But that was really cool by Ellis. And he said after the game that, like he found out the day before that he was starting, so he was able to get a bunch of his family members into Buffalo. And they kept showing them on the screen. They all had their Sabers jerseys. You just love to see that.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. A bit of an update here from our friend Emily Kaplan, who reported that the event that was scheduled to happen on what would have been NHL All Star Weekend. This season is an Olympic send off that has been cancelled. That event was supposed to be held at UBS arena in Nassau county on the Island. The NHL will hold the All Star game in 2027 next season at UBS Arena. Now, if you remember, back in May, New York Governor Kathy Hochul sent a strongly worded letter to NHL commissioner Gary Bettman about the season's All Star Game being canceled and urged him to create an event that's equal or greater to that. Well, now they only have one of it, and that's next season.

[Dave]

Equal to.

[Roy Bellamy]

Equal to. Hey, All Star Game.

[Dave]

It'll be fun in 2027 to drag your ass up to the home of the Islanders.

[Roy Bellamy]

Me?

[Dave]

Yeah, you. We've covered All Star Games before, sir.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yes. Yeah, but you want me to go up to New York.

[Dave]

I do. We have fun in New York.

[Roy Bellamy]

We don't have to.

[Dave]

We don't have to hang out in. In Uniondale the whole time. We don't have to hang out in Long island or wherever the new arena is.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Is it God, I want to say Bayfront Park. I'm still in Miami.

[Roy Bellamy]

Bayfront Park. No, Belmont.

[Dave]

Belmont. Thank you.

[Roy Bellamy]

Ben. Horses over here.

[Dave]

You know, that, that.

[Roy Bellamy]

God, that sounds like fun, betting on horses.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Roy Bellamy]

Go to the track so I can lose money. Oh, I did that with Kenny Maine, by the way.

[Dave]

You've got to be undry, though. But if we're gonna go betting, I.

[Roy Bellamy]

Gotta drink the bet.

[Dave]

Really?

[Roy Bellamy]

On horses?

[Dave]

I feel like it would. It kind of would be a fun. Go there, have a few drinks, bet on the ponies, couple bites to eat.

[Roy Bellamy]

Hopefully win in March.

[Dave]

I'm just saying, you know, good times are. Are ahead. You just. You just got to get you back on the wagon. All right, off the wagon. Which one is it?

[Roy Bellamy]

I. Whatever it is, there's a wagon involved. Who knows? Danny, do you know the expression off or on the wagon?

[Dave]

I'm gonna go on the wagon.

[Roy Bellamy]

Okay, on the wagon.

[Dave]

We gotta get you back on the wagon.

[Roy Bellamy]

All right. Well, there you go. The NHL, by the way, did it again in their relentless pursuit to promote Sidney Crosby ahead of everybody else in the league. They tweeted this out during the Penguins Panthers game as Crosby scored two goals and an assist. This tweet happened after his first goal and assist. Sidney Crosby scored in his fourth straight game and established the longest goal streak by a Penguins Player Age 38 or older.

[Dave]

Get so specific.

[Roy Bellamy]

He also added an assistant in the second period to record his 497th career multi point game. He's sixth all time in multi point games.

[Dave]

For people of a certain age or just of every age?

[Roy Bellamy]

Of every age. Oh, why are we doing this? They are doing this to piss me off. Why should I care about 38, 38 year old men or older?

[Dave]

Because the NHL says so. Because it's Sidney Crosby.

[Roy Bellamy]

I don't, I don't care.

[Dave]

He's still that guy. I mean, the fact that we're still doing this with everything that McDavid has done in the last few years, it's.

[Roy Bellamy]

Not even a round number, David. It's 38. 38. It's not 35, it's not 40, it's 38. It's right in the middle. A useless stat by the National Hockey League that they just decided to throw out there because they want to continue to promote Sidney Crosby ahead of everybody in the league.

[Dave]

Wasn't your fail last week when they made, they celebrated him moving into like ninth place on the all time assist list by players with like, you know, eyebrows that don't reach more than 3 inches long or something?

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, that, that was my fail. In fact, last night. I can't go over the three star process that we do. Every single home game for the Panthers and every game in the National Hockey League journalists have to do, go over that.

[Dave]

Okay, so every game, the local journalists, well, whoever's there, the journalists from the, the teams that are covering the press box, they are handed an index card. We then write our three stars of the game up to us, our discretion, whoever we want, we hand it back to team pr. It's a pretty simple process. We usually get the cards early in the third period, turn them in generally by the last TV timeout. Yeah, so that's the process. So Roy got his car. I mean, you tell the story, it's your story.

[Roy Bellamy]

All right, so I got my card. In fact, I'm going to pull up the, the picture so I can go off of reference. Now. When Sidney CROs scored his goal and his assist, I did not expect him to get another goal in that situation. So, yeah, my original three stars were going to be Cindy Crosby third, Tristan Jari second, and Eric Carlson first in the Panthers loss against the Pittsburgh Penguins. Now originally I was wavering between actually turning that in and not turning in.

[Dave]

I was shocked that you had his name on your card.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, so did I. But then Sidney Crosby scored and in that situation I would have had to have made him the first star. So I abstained from turning my card. In because I am a journalist with integrity.

[Dave]

You were going back and forth like Crosby should be my first. I'm not going to turn it in. I'm writing, I'm crossing names out, I'm moving names around. Because at one point I was going.

[Roy Bellamy]

To put Brad Von Shawn in there as well.

[Dave]

There was a, a Roy Bellamy three star list with Sidney Crosby as your number one. That existed for a brief period of time.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. And when Brad Marchand got his second goal, I crossed out Tristan Jari and placed Marshawn second because the Panthers were losing. So Sidney Crosby scored his second goal and I just crumpled out the paper garbage. Like, see you later. So, yeah, again, integrity.

[Dave]

Well, lucky for you, that's their only visit to South Florida.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Isn't it weird though that like they the two in Pittsburgh, back to back days, it's like a Saturday, a Sunday in March? I think it is. We're trying to drag you up there for that.

[Roy Bellamy]

It's stupid. It really is.

[Dave]

It's weird.

[Roy Bellamy]

We have a new segment that's going to probably just maybe make you money. It is time for Puck luck. Sponsored by DraftKings. DraftKings. The Crown is yours, David.

[Dave]

Yes. All right, this week's weekly Puck luck parlay for our Friday night slate of NHL games, I've got three picks for you. First off from the Toronto at Buffalo game, we're going to take Auston Matthews over three and a half shots on goal. Buffalo allows the second most shots in the NHL at 33.1 behind only San Jose. And Matthews has hit the over in four of his seven games this season. Also his career in Buffalo, he averages over four shots a game and his past three visits to Buffalo have seen Matthews put up six, five and five shots on goal. Then in the San Jose New Jersey game, we're going to take the over six and a half because San Jose cannot keep the puck out of their net. But they do score a lot. They've scored three or more in each of their past four games and they've allowed at least three in every game this season. The Devils have won six in a row and they average four goals at home. Final leg is Kyle Conner from the caldera at Winnipeg. Game over. Two and a half shots. He's hit that number in three straight games and his and in all of Winnipeg's home games this season where he's averaging five shots on goal. Total odds on your parlay for Puck Luck this week is +448. So go ahead and make you some money.

[Roy Bellamy]

So there you have it. Auston Matthews over three and a half shots, over six and a half goals in the Sharks Devils game. And Kyle Conner over two and a half shots on goal for a plus 448 odds total. That is puck luck. Go ahead and win you some money. All right. We appreciate everybody who watches and listens to the show and you guys can ask us questions on our various amounts of social media platforms. We have a question from Claus Hisser. Top five goons of all time, are they still needed in today's game? And yes to that question. So top five goons of all time, what do you got, Dave?

[Dave]

I couldn't put this in a particular order because it just felt weird. My list, I've got Tyler Domi, Bob Probert.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Terry The Tasmanian devil O'Reilly.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Marty McSorley and Stu Grimson.

[Roy Bellamy]

Very good.

[Dave]

My olis were like Rob Ray. I wanted to throw like Donald Brashear and George Laroque on there because those guys are just rumble.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dave]

In terms of longevity, I mean, just like Ryan Reeves kind of goes into that. Matt Rempe, he's. I mean, what else is he other than that?

[Roy Bellamy]

He's a guy that takes punches to the face. That's who Matt Rempe is at least.

[Dave]

What about you, Roy?

[Roy Bellamy]

Let's see, I got Tiger Williams, Rob Way, Rob Ray, Ty Domi, Stu Grimson, Bob Probert. Those are my five. And of course George Larocque and Don Brashear. And Peter. Well, eyes.

[Dave]

Paul Laws.

[Roy Bellamy]

Paul Laws as well. Yeah. I mean, I can go with a top 10 on that one. Boy, I'll tell you that. Those are. Those are some of my favorite people.

[Dave]

To answer the initial question, it's a very integral role in hockey even nowadays. Like, you need to have a gu that the other team is afraid is going to come after them if you go after their star player. Like, it's just, it's a big part.

[Roy Bellamy]

Of how Matthew Schaefer last night that everybody went after the guy that went after Matthew Schaefer. All right, it is time for Rosa and in unmanuto and as I mentioned before, Rosie is not here. So we went into the office and got ourselves a sub on the fly. And that is Kristen. She is going to provide this minute update for Rosie. Hit it, Danny. Probably would be a good idea if you turned your mic on.

[Kristen]

It's on.

[Roy Bellamy]

Oh, it's on.

[Kristen]

It says on.

[Roy Bellamy]

All right, go ahead.

[Kristen]

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[Roy Bellamy]

Ah, very good. That sounded so nice. Sounded so nice. Such a beautiful voice there, Kristen. All right, so that was Rosa Inu minuto via Kristen. And now it's time for Rose in a minute with Kristen. Take it away.

[Dave]

Okay.

[Kristen]

Hey, kids, this is one minute of hockey with Rose with Kristen. The Savers had quite an eventful week. They started strong with 30 win over the defending champs, the Florida Panthers. Joshua was a star with two power play goals and Alex Lyonshine with 32 saves for his first shutout of the season. Buffalo literally froze the Panthers. Then they traveled to Montreal where the Canadiens heated up the third period. Slavosky, Hutchins and Evans all scored to flip the game. And although Kulich and Kozak found the net, the Sabres fell too. They bounced back fast against Detroit. Goalie Colton Ellis made his NHL debut, stopped 27 shots and earned his first career win for two. Jack Quinn stood out with a goal and two assists. And Dejan scored again. So Buffalo ends the week with two big wins and one tough loss. And heads up, they're hosting Toronto tonight. That was one minute of hockey with Rose, AKA Kristen, where the ice burns and Buffalo starts to roar.

[Roy Bellamy]

That was wonderful. Kristen. We appreciate you coming in and showing your beautiful face on camera even though you did not want to because you complained about your hair. That's awesome. Thank you very much. That's great.

[Dave]

Muy bueno.

[Roy Bellamy]

Gracias, gracias. That's how you say gracias.

[Kristen]

Gracias.

[Roy Bellamy]

There you go. It is time for wins and fails of the week presented by Jagermeister. Serve it cold or don't serve it at all. Jagermeister. Damn, that's cold. For more, log on the jagermeister.com Drink responsibly. Dave, what is your win?

[Dave]

My win of the week is a fashion win of the week. Last night we got an amazing taste of jerseys in Colorado. It was the.

[Roy Bellamy]

Oh, the Whale.

[Dave]

The Whalers against the Nordiques in Denver. Oh, very cool. Yeah, the. The jerseys were awesome. They're the Nordic jerseys. Gabe Landiscode showing them off. The goalies were wearing like vintage looking pads. It Was so, so nice and sexy and cool. Look at that dude. Does that bring you back?

[Roy Bellamy]

Yes. Yes. Oh, my goodness. As Mike Ricci and Joe Sakic. Oh, my.

[Dave]

Peter Forsberg. Stefan Fisay.

[Roy Bellamy]

Oh, Stefan. Oh, my goodness. And that Ranger series, that ranges. Playoff series.

[Dave]

Oh, man.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Is that 93?

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so. Yeah.

[Dave]

92. I don't know. Whenever it was, that was cool. But what sucks for the Nordeats fans, the year after, the year they moved.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Was the year that Colorado won the Cup.

[Roy Bellamy]

Of course it was that. That's what tends to happen. I'm sure the Cleveland Browns fans feel the same way.

[Dave]

Even the Whalers, right? Like Carolina, like, What was it, 10 years? Less than 10 years when they won their Cup.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. My winner of the week goes to the Toronto Blue Jays first baseman, Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Game seven of the American League Championship Series versus the Seattle Mariners. Guerrero walked in the Roger center wearing a. An Austin Matthews Maple Leafs road jersey. Now me, myself and I. I personally thought that this move was going to cost the Blue Jays the series. I was wrong.

[Dave]

No, it's. It's only when the Maple Leafs wear Maple Leafs gear that the curse is intact.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. Oh, by the way, I'm sure Canada felt the same way I did. But that wasn't the case. Guerrero himself went 1 for 4. That wasn't the story. George Springer hit a three run home run to send the Blue Jays into the World Series. Now, mind you, in response to Guerrero wearing that Maple Leafs jersey, Austin Matthews came in to Scotiabank arena wearing a blue Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Blue Jays jersey. The Maple Leafs promptly lost five new jersey.

[Dave]

It's a Toronto thing, man. It's a Maple Leafs thing.

[Roy Bellamy]

Matthews went in. That game was a minus two.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Roy Bellamy]

What's your fail, Dave?

[Dave]

My fail was a game played in the dark the other night in Calgary, Montreal and the Flames. The game was delayed like 10 minutes because the lights, half the lights in the arena went out. And then they decided, well, let's just play anyway. So then they played in the dark.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah.

[Dave]

And that must have sucked more for the goalies than anyone else. That seems like a massive fail. I know that building is really old, but, like, what are we doing?

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, they use the ribbon board. The ribbon board was all white just to provide enough light for them to see the puck, apparently. So, yeah, it was a bad situation. My fail of the week goes to Sharks head coach Ryan Wasofsky when he said this.

[Johnny Lazarus]

A lot of new players, we got to just. Just keep working and keep teaching from the coaches. We're going to keep preparing them. But yeah, trust me, it sucks. Keep telling myself there's got to be a reason why this keeps happening in a sense. You know, I give up one of my child children for a win. So it's frustrated. I'm sorry for swearing.

[Dave]

I just.

[Johnny Lazarus]

We're very, very frustrated and we keep working at it.

[Roy Bellamy]

That's right. He said he would give up one of his children for a win. Well, his wife must caught wind of those comments because he quickly apologized and took back what he said. He said, quote, I love my kids, I would never give them up. I love my wife. Obviously I'm a passionate, emotional person and probably got ahead of of me there. So I apologize for those comments. Luckily for him, he finally got his win. I'm sure he kept all of his children when the Sharks beat the Rangers last night. We have Johnny Lazarus coming up next. He's going to talk about those New York Rangers who finally decided to score goals. It's a, it's a good thing for them they scored five. But they lost in overtime to the San Jose Sharks. What a bad situation Giant Lazarus is coming up next.

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[Roy Bellamy]

Johnny Lazarus of Daily Face off joins us here. He covers the New York Rangers and he has a lot to talk about because the Rangers have not scoring. They did last night though. They just happened at home. They're not scoring at home. But they did last night. The New York Rangers came into last night's game against the Sharks scoring only one goal in four games. Four games. And then they exploded for five goals which included a hat trick for Taylor Radish versus the San Jose Sharks. But not they could not overcome Macklin Celebrini's hat trick. And five point game dueling hat tricks.

[Dave]

You don't see that very often.

[Roy Bellamy]

You don't see that very often. Losing an overtime 6 to 5. That is the Sharks first win of the season. And again, the coach can give up his kid now.

[Dave]

Yeah, that's easy. His family together. That's really refreshing.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. So Johnny, you covered this team. What exactly is going on with the Rangers? Is it getting used to Mike Sullivan's system or is there something Worse is what are we expecting from them for the rest of the season?

[Johnny Lazarus]

I think last night, first of all, Roy, Dave, good to be here with you guys.

[Roy Bellamy]

Thank you, Johnny.

[Johnny Lazarus]

But I think last night was, you know, and JT said it, he said in the locker room after, I don't think we really respected our opponent enough. And you know, that's. It's a similar storyline. I mean, you look at teams records and you know, guys always say like, there's no easy game in the NHL. And coaches say that too, but sometimes it's human nature. I feel like to go out there for a game and just expect it not to be playing against the Florida Panthers. Right. So a lot of at least three of the goals last night that the Rangers gave up were mental errors and just a team that didn't look mentally engaged. But that hasn't been the case for the majority of this season. Like the Rangers through their first eight games before last night really were, you know, the better team. I thought in six of those eight games, you know, they, they came out flat against Minnesota after going up one nothing on that Panarin goal early in the game. But then the Wild took care or took advantage of the first period and then kind of ran with the rest of that game. And the home opener was disaster too. But last night just seemed like a team that thought it was going to be an easy 60 minutes. And you know, I look at the first goal because both check the same guy behind the net, Colin Graff, and he finds Adam Gaudette wide in front. The third goal of the game. Sam Carrick doesn't really support the 5050 battle and stay below the puck as a center. He gets off with about, you know, 15 seconds left in the period. And Macklin Celebrini, you know, well, cool. He doesn't win the battle on the boards and Celebrini finds some open space and he beat your circuit top shelf, but you know, la for nearest puck management at the end of the second period. Again, just, just guys that did not seem mentally engaged in that game. And I think it's just because they looked across the. Crossed the ice and saw a 04 and 2 record and expected it to be an easy 60 minutes.

[Dave]

So one guy who I think has been outstanding for the Rangers this year so far, Johnny, is Ben. You just mentioned him. Edor Shosturkin. You know, last year coming off the big Vezina campaign definitely wasn't what we were thinking and hoping. But this year, while he's only got two wins, 1.8, six goals against an awesome safe percentage of 9:30. He's already got a shutout. I think he looks just as good as he did in his Vezina year. But are you seeing similar and is that kind of a reason for optimism for the Rangers amid this, you know, not so great start?

[Johnny Lazarus]

Yeah, the only thing I would argue against that is saying in the Vesna year, the Rangers were being totally outplayed, especially in their own end, and Igor had to put up with a lot of crap. Where this year, for the most part, there hasn't really been a lot of loud chances against. The Rangers have done a pretty decent job in their own zone and you know, not getting hemmed in and not honestly allowing a lot of odd man rushes. You know, last night was the first game I can think of where, you know, the chances against were were really noisy and it seemed like they were coming, you know, non stop. So while Shakurkin has certainly been great this year, I, I don't think he's been tested as much as he was in that Vesna year. You know, granted it's still nine games in and that could certainly become a trend, but the Rangers have really done an excellent job for the most part at defending in front of him. Last night was not one of those cases, and that's why you saw the Sharks put up five goals. But in the previous eight games, while he's had to come up big in a lot of those games, I don't think it's nearly the workload that he's had in years prior.

[Roy Bellamy]

You noticed that center ice last night during pregame skate Ryan Reeves, and I believe it was all Timmy Panarin having a nice conversation. And as they wrapped up, as Ryan Reeves was about to skate away, Matt Rempe skated over and must have said something to Revo because those two got into a pretty massive fight. A couple of heavyweights going at it and I mean, it, it was a. It was just haymaker at the haymaker. And Matt Rimpe ended up leaving the game early after this fight with an upper body injury. And clearly it was because he took a couple haymakers to the head because Rempe is a terrible fighter.

[Dave]

Rempe is the only guy that I've ever seen make Ryan Reeves look anything but massive. Like, I always used to look at Ryan Reeves like this guy is like Frankenstein on the ice. He's huge. But then I look at him next to Rempe and holy cow, like, he makes Ryan Reeves look normal sized.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, he managed to Pull the jersey off of Revo's head and put some hammer fists on him. But that's pretty much it. Describe the scene for us. What exactly happened?

[Johnny Lazarus]

Well, that, the warm up conversation. Again, like, I think everyone knows the relationship and friendship between Ryan Reeves and Artonian Panarin, especially after, I think it was on missing curfew where Ryan Reeves was talking about him and Panarin used to like play basketball or something and drink some vodka like after games. So those two guys, that was clearly a friendly conversation happening at center ice. And, you know, Rempe took his opportunity to get Revo at the red line and give him a heads up that he wanted one. And those two have had some, you know, I guess, previous history going back to the Rangers in Toronto a couple years ago when Reeves was there. And Reeves is putting the lineup basically to fight Rempe. But again, like whenever you see a heavyweight on the other side, it's somewhat anticipated that those two are going to go at it at some point in the evening. And, you know, I think last night Rempe kind of went at a perfect time. The Rangers had a really slow start to the game. Ryan Reeves throws a big hit on USO Parson and Rempe steps up for his teammate and tries to get the crowd going because the crowd last night and you know, warranted they were dead because the Rangers came out the first two minutes, San Jose dominates and they score a goal and that quiets the crowd. So we didn't ask Mike Sullivan what he thought of the timing of Remy's fight. I would have imagined he would have said, you know, it was necessary because it did give the guys a boost a little bit. I mean, Radish did score. You know, actually I think the Shark scored the next goal after the fight, but that was a weird bounce in the power play. And then Radish came out and scored a couple minutes later. But that said, obviously you don't like the result of losing a player for the rest of the game. So, you know, it's tough. It's part of hockey. I know some fans like it or some fans don't like it, other fans do. I think it's great theater always, if guys are willing to put their body on the line. You know, sometimes that does sacrifice a little bit, but it's always been a part of the sport and it's a part of the beauty of the sport too. That's what separates us, I think, from the other sports. So, you know, I was a fan of it. It got the Building going. You know, Ryan Reeves and Rempe are both great showmen. Obviously Revo had that great quote after the game too. Just talking about how it all went down and, and basically told Rempe off the draw like let me run somebody and then we'll go. But yeah, I mean who doesn't love a center ice fight like that, you know.

[Dave]

So looking at the standings right now, we're about what, two, two and a half weeks into the season and I like how many surprises we're seeing. Johnny looking in the Atlantic, Montreal and Detroit both leading the way. Young players. It's fun to see the excitement from there over in the west. Chicago looking really good. Spencer Knight great in goal. Our boy Frank Nazar looking spectacular along with Connor Bedard. And then the Oilers and the Kings, the upper other side of the spectrum, maybe not where we expected them to be. So as we talked about surprises early in the season, anything jump off the page of you?

[Johnny Lazarus]

I, I mean honestly, does it have to be a team?

[Dave]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Roy Bellamy]

It could be a player, it could be a team, it could be whatever, be a favorite.

[Johnny Lazarus]

I think I, I think this, I think this Matthew Schaefer story has been unbelievable. You know, obviously the Islanders had a big 72 routing win last night against the team that was pretty hot in Detroit.

[Roy Bellamy]

Right.

[Johnny Lazarus]

Like they were on a pretty good run before losing to Buffalo the other night. But you know, the Islanders again were a team that I don't think many people thought would make the playoffs or even do think will. But the fact that they're 430 right now and their 18 year old first overall pick has been their best player. Yeah, you know, with Barzal too, I'll give Barzal a lot of credit also, you know, I don't think anybody could have anticipated an 18 year old defenseman to step in and do what Matthew Shaffer's doing and the way he's doing it too. Right. He's. He, he's like an he. He might be the most unhateable player I've ever seen. Obviously his story going into the draft was very well documented. And yeah, you know, the loss of a mother I think everyone can, can sympathize with and feel. But also just his ray of positivity that he continuously brings away from the rink. You know, his post game interview with Shannon Hogan the other night was unbelievable. And you know you see a mature kid, but you do also see a kid who's just so excited to be here and not just to be here, but to excel and we talk about, you know, Macklin Celebrini and how he got off to a slow start before the last couple games. And Bedard last year got a lot of criticism, but the personality Schaefer has shown, I'm not saying he won't get any criticism ever, but it's going to be much harder to give a guy like that a hard time when he's just so damn lovable. And for an Islanders team that's been known as old and boring and doesn't do media and doesn't highlight their players personalities over the past, you know, seven or eight years or however long it's.

[Roy Bellamy]

Been, like, signed Tony d'. Angelo.

[Johnny Lazarus]

Yeah, listen, I. I like Tony. I've gotten to know him now.

[Roy Bellamy]

Oh, good for you.

[Johnny Lazarus]

Yeah, I. I didn't. I didn't. You know, obviously I didn't know him when the. The narratives around him were coming out, and I had my judgments, but when you get to know somebody, I think that that changes judgments a little bit, too. So from my perspective, like, I happen to like Tony, and I. I'm not gonna, you know, argue if people don't like him, but, you know, I do think the Islanders, as far as their whole media perspective and. And highlighting their team and their players, it's. It's changing, and they're fun now. And I think, you know, that's something that Islander fans have always had to, you know, argue about by saying, we're not boring, we're not boring. You know, like, stop hating on us. But, you know, right now, for the first seven games, they are. They are the furthest thing from boring.

[Roy Bellamy]

All right, let's put aside the call to trophy, right? Does Matthew Schaefer have a chance to win the Norris Trophy?

[Dave]

Ooh.

[Johnny Lazarus]

Like, does he have a chance? I mean, maybe, like, I don't think he has no chance, but, like, Kale's already off to a great start. You know, Lane's off to a great start again.

[Dave]

Yeah, Quinn's.

[Johnny Lazarus]

In a way, it's tough to say he has a real shot, but I'm not gonna.

[Roy Bellamy]

He's.

[Johnny Lazarus]

He's definitely in the com. He's in the conversation so far for.

[Dave]

Sure, which is pretty impressive considering he's played, like, what, five NHL games or whatever it is.

[Roy Bellamy]

Eighteen years old. Yeah. That sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah. It just. It. It's just a. It's just a crush. I mean, he's showing signs of somebody who can actually be an excellent defenseman in this game.

[Dave]

Well, would it be surprising to see Schaefer in Like legitimately in that McCarr Hughes conversation in the next, say three.

[Johnny Lazarus]

Years before that maybe.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Roy Bellamy]

Wow.

[Johnny Lazarus]

You know, I think. Was. Was Lane in that conversation? I don't know if Lane was.

[Dave]

Lane was. He was. He got some Norris votes last year. Didn't he get a couple? Like, he was right up there.

[Johnny Lazarus]

Yeah, but I don't know. I still don't know if like in that, like those two are so different, the, The Hughes and McCars, like, while Lane's still an incredible skater, the explosiveness that those two still have over every other defenseman is insane. Like, Warrensky has shown it a bit at times too, but that's more north, south versus like lateral hip mobility. Like the way that Cal and Quinn can, you know, do that mohawk and like turn their hips and just beat guys, honestly, with their legs opened up versus just going straight down.

[Roy Bellamy]

It's.

[Johnny Lazarus]

It's wild. The talent it takes to have the skating ability of those two is something, something I have not really seen. But again, like, Schaefer is very special and I don't think we've seen an 18 year old defenseman step in and look like this ever.

[Roy Bellamy]

A natty Hattie for Logan Cooley in the first five minutes. Are we expecting big things from the Utah Mammoth?

[Johnny Lazarus]

Yeah, I mean, also, again, like on home ice, I think they're perfect so far this year. And Nick Schmaltz, Dylan, Gunther, Clayton, Keller, like those three together have been on fire as well. You know, I know Logan Cooley obviously is the highlight, but you look at, you know, the top guys right now for Utah and just the overall camaraderie around their organization. Right. Like, that's a city that's so bought in on that team and an owner that's going to do anything he can to get them into the playoffs because, you know, they build a brand new facilities, obviously they have this like new mascot, Tusky, I think that everybody's falling in love with. They're just like doing things the right way and, and marketing their organization the right way. And when you have the players on the ice that are performing, it's lovable.

[Roy Bellamy]

Tuskegee.

[Johnny Lazarus]

It is Tuskegee, right?

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, Tuskegee. Yeah. Yeah.

[Johnny Lazarus]

Again though, like Clayton Keller to me, you know, I said it all summer, like one of the more underrated guys in the NHL I don't think gets talked about nearly enough and he's off to an incredible start this year and obviously wants to make that Team USA roster for Milan. But you know, we're talking about a guy who's put up three straight 30 plus goal seasons. 90 points last year I think was around 90 points two years ago. Like he's a star. And you know, I don't know if Utah or Arizona at that time had been. Well, they definitely had not been appointment television, but Utah right now and again, watching them, especially at home, like, it's a good watch, it's a fun watch. That game against Colorado the other night was a really fun game. You know, I think Avalanche fans are still a little pissed about that offside review and, and how it was explained. But you got to credit the Mammoth for, you know, bouncing back and being able to come back in that game and find a way to win. I didn't get to see last night's game, so it's hard to speak in detail about last night's win, but yeah, they're off to a great start. So far I think they've won five in a row.

[Dave]

Now, Johnny, you, you spent a lot of time with hockey players, with NHL players. One of my favorite things the last few years have been your open state videos where if you guys haven't seen them, Johnny basically states a lap with every NHL player.

[Roy Bellamy]

I wish I had that.

[Dave]

Every big, every big name you can think of, they're. They're in their full gear and just shooting the shit. It's really cool. So. And as a hockey player yourself, obviously like, you get it, you get how hockey players are. The reason I'm forming the question like this is. I'm thinking ahead to the Olympics coming up. Hockey players, you know, they're rich, they travel well, but at the Olympics they're going to be in dorms. They're going to. It's going to be a totally different situation.

[Roy Bellamy]

The Olympic Village.

[Dave]

Yes, exactly, the Olympic Village. It's like summer camp.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. Carry your condoms.

[Dave]

We don't want to talk about that part, dude. Jesus. That's not where I was going. I've definitely heard some stories, so just they haven't gone in so long. This is going to be kind of a new generation. Obviously we're going to have like the Crosbys and the guys that have done it before, but most of the players are going to be of a different cut from a different cloth a little bit. So I'm just wanted to get your take on how are they going to handle it? Is it going to be an issue? Is it going to be a non issue?

[Johnny Lazarus]

The traveling.

[Dave]

The traveling, the dorm situation, this, the less luxurious life of being in the Olympics.

[Johnny Lazarus]

Yeah, I mean less luxurious when you're in Milan, Italy is.

[Dave]

The fast food's probably spectacular.

[Johnny Lazarus]

Yeah, I don't know, there's definitely worse places to be. But again, like Dave, to your point, like, I mean, you know, did you play junior hockey?

[Dave]

Yes.

[Roy Bellamy]

No. Yeah.

[Johnny Lazarus]

So you know, like, you know, you're on the bus, you're eating shitty subs or whataburger, you know, and ah, water bugger. I, I'm not a water burger guy at all. I hate, I hate that food. But these guys have all gone through it. You know, I think junior hockey versus the NHL, like, you know, it's obviously the NHL is a massive step up and junior hockey has certainly come a long way from where it was maybe, you know, 10, 15 years ago. But when you're also in the Olympics and representing your country and doing all that kind of stuff, like, I don't think these guys give a damn like where they sleep, where they're staying. You know, I think it's all about being on the ice and the bonding off the ice. And even if it's not as luxurious, that's still something to bond over. Right. So, you know, I know a lot of guys had, you know, I think in the Peewee Quebec tournament, you're supposed to like stay with random people and stuff when you're young. Like you're in like seventh grade. But I'm sure a lot of these guys have experienced something like this at some point. So I don't think it'll be like some sort of culture shock.

[Roy Bellamy]

And finally, are you surprised at how well Brad Marchant at an advanced age?

[Johnny Lazarus]

No.

[Roy Bellamy]

Okay. You're not united for.

[Dave]

Okay, not surprised.

[Roy Bellamy]

Not surprised. All right, well, neither am I, but you know, at 38, I mean, well, we are throwing out useless Sydney Crosby stats, but. Yeah. Are you, are you surprised at how well he's playing right now at again an advanced age?

[Johnny Lazarus]

No, you know, Dave said it already pretty much. But also like the Panthers needed someone to step up with Barkov and Kachuk's absence. And I think everyone kind of pointed the finger at Martian and Martian has been, you know, a top line player, you know, for the, the majority of like the last 75% of his career. At the early parts of his career he's more third line, bottom six kind of guy but, but help teams win. And I know last year he was playing third line, but this is a guy who's, you know, been, you know, 90 plus, I think. Did he, I think he had 100 point year. Yeah, he had, he had 100 point season. Maybe like five or six years ago. So he's been a top guy, you know, in multiple stages of his career. And he has shown no signs of really slowing down. Obviously had some surgery, you know, prior to last season. And maybe Boston wasn't the best team last year. So the numbers may not have been there, but this is a guy who's been a prolific 20 plus goal scorer, you know, plays power play, does everything and comes up in big moments, too. So, no, I'm not surprised at all. I don't think anyone really is.

[Roy Bellamy]

All right, man. It's always great having you on the show, Johnny. I mean, one of these days you have to come down and we'll, all of us, full gear, go down to the Baptist Iceplex and just skate around, do nothing say less.

[Dave]

Winter classic. You're gonna be down here? Yeah.

[Roy Bellamy]

You'll be down here for Winter Classic?

[Johnny Lazarus]

Yeah, yeah. And I'll have my skates with me so, you know, maybe I'll throw my stick in and some other gear and we can mess around. I was down there for the SOFLO thing this summer. That was good.

[Dave]

All for the three on three.

[Roy Bellamy]

Three on three.

[Johnny Lazarus]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They do a great job. That was a lot of fun. I mean, you know, sharing the ice with like Lip, Shoe knob and who else was out there? Obviously Brandon. I mean, Brandon Duhame is like the perfect representative for hockey in Florida. That kid is unbelievable personality. Such a sneaky, good personality. But yeah, they do a really good job. Cole Blatchman and, and Timmy with that league. So shout out to those guys. There's a lot of fun this summer.

[Roy Bellamy]

Thank you, man. I mean, excellent. You're going to come down here at the end of December. We're all going to get together. You can watch me fall on my ass. New Year's Eve, New Year's party. It's going to be a great. Oh, it's going to be a party, hopefully. All right. Thank you, Johnny, for joining us. Is excellent. Johnny Lazarus, everybody.

[Johnny Lazarus]

Thanks, Roy. Thanks, Dave.

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[Dave]

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[Roy Bellamy]

It'S time to head into the Panthers den, and the Panthers den is pretty dark right now. It's not been a good time for Florida. Saturday they lost the Buffalo 3 nothing. Tuesday they beat the Bruins 4 to 3 in an emotional game. We'll get to that in a second. Thursday last night lost to Pittsburgh five to three. We'll get to that game a little bit later. And Saturday they will play the Vegas Golden Knights at home. All right, so Florida came off well. They were still on a disastrous road trip. They have lost four games, all of them in regulation at the starting the season with three straight at home. All right, so we'll go and bypass that and move to the last game of the road trip, which was in Boston. We mentioned Brad Marchand and his return to Boston, which was crazy emotional. As Danny GQ said, he was a blubbering mess.

[Dave]

Blubbering in Boston. I like it.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, so. And it's understandable.

[Dave]

But Brad in Boston, the alliteration.

[Roy Bellamy]

Hey, look at you. You're. You're a writer. All right, so he made his return and the Panthers went into the third period leading two to nothing. And that's when things got crazy, especially in the last three minutes of the game. Boston scored too early in the third before E2. Lucernen took the lead back, but Morgan Geeke ended up scoring with a minute and a half left to tie the game again. And then with 26 seconds left, caught up a hagee shot that went off the post, hit the leg of Andrew Peake and went into the net. The Panthers would hold on, the winner despite a Clock malfunction at the end.

[Dave]

I forgot about that game.

[Roy Bellamy]

So that's what happened. And they finally got there. They broke that losing streak and ended up being four and four at that time with eight points in the standings. Why don't you go over the game? How'd that go for you?

[Dave]

It was good to see Florida get going on the power play. That was something that they'd been really been struggling with on the road trip. I think in the Buffalo shutout loss they had like 15 power play shots. So things were clicking. They just couldn't get the puck in the net, which was really a big story of the entire road trip. Like their underlying numbers, the offensive stats, they were there. Maybe not as strong as we're used to seeing from the Panthers when they're at full strength, but certainly good enough to win in a lot of areas. So you could kind of feel that things are going to turn around at some point for the Panthers. Got a little bit of that feeling in the Boston game. The third period was crazy. Blowing a two goal lead, granted on the road, but still a two goal lead in the third period. Blowing that, taking another lead, blowing that again. They got lucky with that fluty ass. It reminded me of those. You remember the McDonald's commercials from back in the day with Jordan and Bird.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Like off the wall, off the backboard, off the rafters.

[Roy Bellamy]

Nothing but net shooting from the top of Sears Tower.

[Dave]

Yeah, exactly like that. That's what that goal felt like. It was just going off everything random.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. So that they barely made it out of that one. And the Panthers third periods have not been good and that's not been a hallmark of this team for the past couple of years. No, they have gone in and allowed a lot of goals. Now, granted a good portion of them empty nets, but still don't put yourself in that situation.

[Dave]

Yes, they have. Their GPS is malfunctioning. They've lost their map to shut down city, they have to miss an exit. They've got to figure out how to get back on the right track because shutdown city is synonymous with Panthers hockey. Yeah, it's a big part of the way they play. It's going to be something that if they're going to continue to succeed, they're going to have to find their way back. So yeah, Panthers shut down city. We need to find your way to back to each other.

[Roy Bellamy]

Panthers finally made it back home weary. I mean, but against the Penguins, they did not look good at all. Especially in their own defensive zone. I mean, they tried, they tried to put an effort up in the third. But then the Penguins ended up responding again. Cindy Crosby, and that's the only time I'm going to mention him. The rest of the show. That's it. Right, so. But if you look at the game, the east west defense in the defensive zone was not good. They allowed a lot of cross ice passes leading the one timers. In fact, they had three one timer goals, two of those based on cross ice passes, one of them from a given goal, and one bad goal by Bob that just squeaked right through him. And Bob did not face a lot of shots. I think he faced 16.

[Dave]

Yeah, he faced nine shots over the second and third period combined. And four of four of them went in.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, not. Not good. Now, the power play last night, power play in Boston, Very, very good.

[Dave]

Yeah, it looks much better.

[Roy Bellamy]

And. But the penalty kill, middle of the pack.

[Dave]

Interesting though, with Anton Lindell, Mackie Samistevich getting some time in that top power play unit, taking Aaron Akbad, putting him in the second unit, moving Sam Bennett to that unit. And it looks like some of those buttons that Paul Maurice is pushing, pushing the right ones.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, Bram on Sean, team leading 10 points. Had two goals in that game. And the old man is in his.

[Dave]

Last two games for Brad Marchand.

[Roy Bellamy]

The old man is propelling the offense for Florida. At least he's trying. I mean, I mean, come on. The Panthers, like, they're not scoring. It seems like the only person who is scoring is Brad Marshan and a little bit of Etulus Reiner.

[Dave]

No, I'm just looking at their scoring right now. Like your top four scores are not Sam Reinhart, Carter Verhagen. Your top four scorers are Marshan, Lindell, Mackie, Samistevich and Seth Jones. No forward or Sam Rinehart only has four points. Carter Haiti has three points. Ekbad has three points. Sam Bennett has two points. So the guys you're expecting to contribute and to kind of mitigate the losses of the Barkovs and the Tkachuks, they need to find their footing a little bit more because you can't expect. I mean, granted, we've been waiting for guys like Lindell and Sam Estevich to take that next step, to turn that corner. So maybe they're doing that now, and if all the other guys start to catch up, then everything will start to fall into place for the Panthers. But right now, a little disjointed.

[Roy Bellamy]

After scoring 11 goals in the first three games of the season, and the Panthers went out on the road and scored only Four in the first four games of that road trip. And then including again, shot out by Buffalo, just not good. The Panthers have scored seven in the last two games. They are now 4, 5 and 0. Third place in the Atlantic Division. Now, saw that Sam Bennett made. He actually had more shots on goal last night than really he's had all season.

[Dave]

Now, Bennett. I mean, the first couple of games, I thought he hit his shot overs when we were kind of tracking that for, you know, reasons of. Yeah, because we like to lose money. But no, that's the thing. Like that second line. Like, that's the.

[Roy Bellamy]

What?

[Dave]

Because, like, wherever Marchand is gone, that has ignited that group. Like, at the beginning of the season, it was Marchand with Bennett and Verhege. Now it's Marchand back with Lindell and Lou Strainen. But it's that Bennett line. If Marchand's not on it, whether it's Reinhardt there, Verhaegi, or Rodriguez, whoever they're putting up. Sam Estevic is getting that time in the top six now, but they need to get that guy going because we, as we know and as we saw in the playoffs, when Sam Bennett is firing on all cylinders, it is really good for the Panthers.

[Roy Bellamy]

Sam Bennett is tied for worst in the league in plus minus. He is at minus nine.

[Dave]

That's insane.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, that's. That's not good.

[Dave]

That's.

[Roy Bellamy]

That is not good. But it's only, what, the ninth game of the regular season. Yeah, that's bound to get fixed. So. Yep, that's the week in the Panthers. It's not been good. They play Vegas tomorrow.

[Dave]

Tough. Vegas has won four in a row, man.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. So hopefully the Panthers get back on track.

[Dave]

20 goals in those four games.

[Roy Bellamy]

Great. All right. For Kristen, for Danny, GQ, for Gino and Jason. That is David Dwark. My name is Roy Bellamy, but I'd like to thank Johnny and Lazarus for joining us today. This is the Hockey Show. We will see you next week. Now's a good time to remember where.

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[Roy Bellamy]

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[Roy Bellamy]

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[Roy Bellamy]

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[Roy Bellamy]

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[Dave]

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