The Hockey Show: Catching Up With The Voice of Hockey

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: The Hockey Show: Catching Up With The Voice of Hockey
Date: August 22, 2025
Host(s): Dan Le Batard, Stugotz | Guests: Bob Wischusen, Roy Bellamy, David Dwork, Ethan, Rosie, Jason

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Episode Overview

Broadcast live from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, this "Hockey Show" episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz focuses on hockey culture, notable recent events on and off the ice, and features a deep-dive conversation with veteran ESPN/ABC broadcaster Bob Wischusen. The crew also discusses Sergei Fedorov’s impending jersey retirement, evolving hockey traditions, memorable hockey moments, the grueling life of a sports broadcaster, and top storylines for the upcoming NHL season.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Show Kickoff: Skating Milestones & Hockey Community Fun (01:19 - 04:03)

• The crew celebrates Roy Bellamy's graduation from skating lessons, reminiscing about his first goals ("bar down," a hockey term for a goal that hits the crossbar and goes in).
• Plans for a casual “stick and puck” session at the Florida Panthers practice facility, featuring both adults and children, are shared, highlighting the inclusive and multi-generational hockey culture.

“You got the same look on my face as I was to start the show as I was interrupted by Rosie.” – Roy (02:21)

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2. Sergei Fedorov’s Number Retirement & 90s Red Wings Nostalgia (04:05 - 07:14)

• The Detroit Red Wings are set to retire Sergei Fedorov's #91 jersey, igniting reflection on his legendary status and unique style.
• The panel shares personal memories: Fedorov’s white Nike skates, prolific talent, and his role in the iconic “Russian Five.”
• David Dwork recalls Fedorov’s legendary five-goal game (05:34), and the group discusses how the style of play—specifically passing and patience—has evolved since the 1990s.

“When I think of Sergei Fedorov from the 90s, I just think of white Nike skates.” – Ethan (05:04)

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3. Inside Hockey Operations: Ice Installation & Arena Changes (07:14 - 08:13)

• Discussion turns to the annual spectacle of NHL rink construction, focusing on the Anaheim Ducks’ “ice building” time-lapse video.
• Curiosity about center ice logos, especially as Detroit reinstates their “Hockeytown” branding and Utah’s newly refitted Delta Center is mentioned.
• A sense of excitement as hockey season approaches.

“Every time I see that [Anaheim] logo, I think Darkwing Duck.” – Ethan (08:02)

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4. Wins & Fails of the Week Segment (09:20 - 16:12)

Wins:

• Ethan: Detroit Red Wings bringing back the “Hockeytown” logo for their 100th anniversary (09:35).
• Roy: Team USA’s gold at the Hlinka Gretzky Cup, emphasizing the rising success of USA Hockey (10:24).
• David: Sam Reinhart’s playful antics with the Stanley Cup (including working out with the Cup) (11:19).
• Rosie: Corey Perry’s creative play at an All-Star Skills Competition, making hockey “interesting for 10 seconds” (12:08).

“Not only am I better than you, not only am I stronger than you, but I'm a two time defending Stan[ley] Cup champion.” – David Dwork on Sam Reinhart (11:46)

Fails:

• Dual fail: Confusion over the orientation of the Buffalo Sabres “Goat Head” logo, addressing a viral Reddit theory (13:01).
• David: Hockey Hall of Fame posting a video of a less-than-sober Sam Reinhart, raising questions about social media choices (15:14).
• Rosie: A puck disappearing during play, emblematic of hockey’s unpredictable chaos (16:02).

“My thoughts are this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. It's a buffalo.” – Roy Bellamy on the Sabres logo debate (14:13)

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5. Feature Interview: Bob Wischusen, “The Voice of Hockey” (18:31 - 43:14)

A. Life as a Hockey Broadcaster – The Grind and Rituals
(18:31 - 20:32)

• Bob details the demanding schedule of covering the Stanley Cup Playoffs—alternating games, minimal sleep, daily rink visits, and essential meetings with coaches for lineup information.
• Describes evolution of morning skates: once sacrosanct, now often optional, making pre-game information gathering more inconsistent.

“You just get up early in the morning, go to the rink, do some interviews, go back, grab a nap, do a game, get up the next morning, go back to the airport, do the same thing over again. But it's the best part of the year.” – Bob (19:18)

B. Preparation, Memory, and Roster Management
(22:26 - 24:57)

• Bob discusses how prepping for games in NHL versus college sports is easier due to pro teams’ less fluid rosters, as compared to the rapid turnover in college athletics.

“Pro sports, guys sign 3, 4, 5, 6-plus year contracts and stay on the team... That makes it a lot easier.” – Bob (24:57)

C. College Football vs. NHL Broadcasting
(25:22 - 27:07)

• College travel grinds are tougher due to smaller markets and more complicated logistics, whereas NHL and NFL typically visit big cities and are logistically easier—until season overlaps begin.

D. Bizarre Road Trips & Missing Out on Winnipeg
(29:03 - 29:50)

• Fun banter on the unique travel inconveniences of NHL playoffs, especially the Miami-to-Edmonton jaunt, and Bob’s anticipation of eventually visiting Winnipeg.

E. Broadcaster “Top Five” Lists
(30:07 - 32:18)

• David details his “Top Five Broadcasters to Have a Beer With,” sparking laughter, gentle debate, and anecdotes.
• Names include John Buccigross, Kenny Mayne, the Giants’ Dwayne Kuiper/Mike Krukow, Al Michaels, Chris Berman, and Harry Caray.

F. Bob’s Most Memorable Calls
(33:16 - 37:49)

• Bob lists his most cherished games, including playoff overtime winners (e.g., Verhaeghe, Goodrow), the Bobrovsky windmill save, and Calgary’s double-OT win led by Johnny Gaudreau.
• Emotional moments: Mark Scheifele’s overtime goal after his father’s passing, and Mason Marchment consoling him.
• Narratives of hockey’s brotherhood and how players honor opponents (e.g. Ovechkin insisting teammates honor Marc-André Fleury).

“That was one of those peaks into the culture of hockey...legend recognizes legend.” – Bob (37:28)

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6. Big Questions for the Upcoming NHL Season

(38:04 - 42:29)

• Will the Panthers repeat as champions, having retained their core roster through “hometown discounts”?
• Are the Rangers due for a culture shift, or will goaltending salvage their season?
• Bob emphasizes the importance of playoff-style players—physicality and adaptability over pure regular-season stats.

“They’re all kind of collectively doing what Tom Brady did all those years in New England... it would reward guys for caring more about winning than about their paycheck.” – Bob (38:08)

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7. Closing Banter, Panther Propaganda, and Farewells

(42:29 – 43:26)

• The group jokes about turning Bob into a Panthers booster, compares Florida’s brief NHL success to that of the Chiefs in the NFL.
• Hosts thank Bob and each other, wrapping up another energetic episode.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “When I think of Sergei Fedorov from the 90s, I just think of white Nike skates.” – Ethan (05:04)
• “Not only am I better than you, not only am I stronger than you, but I’m a two-time defending Stanley Cup champion.” – David Dwork (11:46)
• “My thoughts are this is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. It’s a buffalo.” – Roy Bellamy (14:13)
• “You just get up early in the morning, go to the rink, do some interviews, go back, grab a nap, do a game, get up the next morning, go back to the airport, do the same thing over again. But it’s the best part of the year.” – Bob Wischusen (19:18)
• “They’re all kind of collectively doing what Tom Brady did all those years in New England... it would reward guys for caring more about winning than about their paycheck.” – Bob Wischusen (38:08)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Skating graduation & fun banter: 01:19 – 04:03
• Fedorov’s jersey retirement & 90s Red Wings: 04:05 – 07:14
• Hockey Operations/Ice-building videos: 07:14 – 08:13
• Wins & Fails of the Week: 09:20 – 16:12
• Interview: Bob Wischusen on hockey broadcasting: 18:31 – 43:14
  • Broadcasting grind: 18:31 – 20:32
  • Preparation & roster talk: 22:26 – 24:57
  • College vs. NHL travel: 25:22 – 27:07
  • Top Five lists: 30:07 – 32:18
  • Favorite moments called: 33:16 – 37:49
  • Big questions for new season: 38:04 – 42:29
• Closing/farewells: 42:29 – 43:26

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Tone & Style

A blend of irreverent, knowledgeable banter and genuine sports passion, true to the established dynamic of The Dan Le Batard Show. The crew’s playful ribbing and love of both hockey and broadcasting shine, creating a welcoming vibe for diehards and newcomers alike.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode is a must-listen for fans of hockey nostalgia, the art of sports broadcasting, and anyone curious about the interplay of talent, tradition, and culture that animates both the NHL and the on-air personalities who call its greatest moments.

Transcript

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[Rosie]

So before we start, I just want to celebrate and I want to put something up there because Roy just graduated from school learning how to skate. So there he is.

[Ethan]

Look at him.

[Rosie]

Very good graduation. If you cannot see the video, he's.

[Ethan]

Got a picture of him. Belly.

[David Dwork]

I was just going to say he's on his ass.

[Ethan]

Belly.

[David Dwork]

Looks like he did a great job skating.

[Rosie]

Yeah, he did. He did good. So now he graduated.

[Jason]

Congratulations.

[Roy Bellamy]

You got the same look on my face as I was to start the show as I was interrupted by Rosie.

[Rosie]

Yeah, there you go. You can. You can keep going. I just needed to give you props.

[Roy Bellamy]

Thank you.

[David Dwork]

How many goals did you score, Roy?

[Bob Rashuzen]

One.

[Rosie]

One.

[Roy Bellamy]

Nice one. And Rosie wasn't even there, actually two. Two. And Rosie wasn't filming for the first one, which was bar down. The second one, like bar down.

[Ethan]

You want. Your first goal was bar down.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah.

[David Dwork]

That's a beauty.

[Roy Bellamy]

The sound reverberated throughout the practice.

[David Dwork]

That must have been an incredible feeling.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, the stick went up on that one. Yeah.

[Ethan]

I'm scared.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Saturday on tomorrow, you want to put this out there.

[Ethan]

Like people might show up and like heckle us.

[Roy Bellamy]

I hope they do not be echoing me, really. But yeah, we are gonna do stick and puck. I don't know. You're gonna be there for it, Rosie. You see, maybe, maybe, maybe non plus about it. But yeah, we're gonna do TFT high, boys. Uh, and, uh, Dave's gonna be in, uh, full goalie gear.

[Ethan]

God.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, so that's, that's gonna be interesting. We're getting old, man.

[Ethan]

First time in a while. Yeah, first time since the knee surgery.

[David Dwork]

Oh, when was the last time you strapped on the pads?

[Ethan]

I don't want to put a number on it. Let's. It's just been a minute.

[Roy Bellamy]

I'll try not to dick you out of your pants there.

[David Dwork]

What is stick and puck?

[Roy Bellamy]

Sticker puck is a full gear. You just go out and you fuss around with the puck.

[David Dwork]

You're doing this yourselves. You're not going somewhere?

[Ethan]

Well, it's organized that the Panther is practice.

[David Dwork]

Okay.

[Ethan]

But like, they open up the ice to anybody that wants to do it. Kids can do adults. So like I'm, It's. I'm bringing my kid. Like, I've been waiting to do this so, like, him and I can stay together. That's awesome. So my kid's in a Dodango Roy. He'll, you know.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. Fall on my belly.

[Ethan]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[David Dwork]

Give him a little toe direction.

[Ethan]

He'll turn me inside out. And then, you know, Rose can just laugh if she's there.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, I doubt that she will be.

[Rosie]

Yeah, me too.

[Roy Bellamy]

All right. A legend has is getting his number retired in Detroit. The number 91 jersey of Sergey Fedorov is going up to the rafters at Little Caesars Arena, a building that he did not plan. He played all 13 of his years with the Red Wings in Joe Lewis Arena. You've been there?

[Ethan]

I have.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. It's a nice little farm. It is a nice farm. Nice barn that they get there. So. He scored 400 goals and 554 assists with Detroit and won three Stanley Cups there. He finished his 18 year career with 483 goals and 696 assists. It's a knife jersey retired by the Red Wings. It will be. And a lot of us, I mean, well, the two of us in this studio grew up watching 90s hockey, so seeing that is. Is a real treat.

[Ethan]

What's the first thing when you think of Sergei Fedorov, what's the first thing that pops into your head?

[Roy Bellamy]

Russian, basically. Russian 5. I mean, the Right Wings really made that one famous.

[Ethan]

I actually watched that last night. Well, I watched like two thirds of it and then I fell asleep. But no, like, that's when I think of Sergey federel from the 90s. Like, I just think of white Nike states.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, that's like.

[Ethan]

I don't know.

[Roy Bellamy]

He's the only one doing it.

[Ethan]

He was the only one doing it, but he made it look good.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. The fad did not carry over.

[Ethan]

No, I mean, Nike hockey gear in general didn't really make it.

[Roy Bellamy]

No, no, no, no. But Detroit, their jerseys were made by Nike, wasn't made by CCM like all the other teams.

[Ethan]

Oh, that's true.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah.

[Ethan]

What's your Fedorov memory before you were born?

[David Dwork]

Well, first of all, I saw. I saw his white skates on Twitter the other day, but I also saw a video of the game where he goals and he scored all five goals, including the overtime winner. I. I saw it come across my channel the other day.

[Ethan]

Footage of that.

[David Dwork]

That's my.

[Ethan]

That's my win of the week footage.

[Jason]

Well, you just spoiled.

[Ethan]

No, my win of the week is. We're talking about it now. I'm. I'm going to change it on the fly. So if you want to. If you want to play my win of the week video rose. That's what Ethan's talking about.

[David Dwork]

Anyway. The passing, the hockey that's being played here is so much different than the hockey that I feel like we watched today. Like, the passing, the movement, some of these plays that Detroit was making. Look at this tic tac passing.

[Ethan]

He needs to watch footage from Jagger in the early 90s if you really want to see something that's insane. The puck control that Jagger had back in the day. Not to take any. Any smoke off Federov here as we celebrate him, but yeah, like, when I think of, like, somebody who just. The puck was literally stuck to his stick tape.

[David Dwork]

This is beautiful. Look at this passing. But what changed? Like, what. What's so different? Because I know scoring went up because the goalie pads increased and they kind of learned how to play the position. But, like, why don't you really kind of Passing in movement anymore. Is it the way people defend now?

[Roy Bellamy]

Like, well, the neutral zone trap is pretty much no longer there. I mean, entries a bit easier. Like, they got rid of that. But, I mean, there's not a lot of patience being shown by the Capitals in this highlight package.

[Ethan]

There's also a reason that, like, in this game, like, this wasn't, like, happening every day. Like, the story was much lower in the 90s. And, like, Federer, guys like Fedorov and Lemieux and those guys that were on another level, like, they. They set themselves apart. But, dude, the Red Wings were a conundrum in the 90s.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, that was definitely the team of the 90s. We can definitely agree of that. We have reached the time of the year, and it's ice shaping time. It's time to build the ice. And the Anaheim Ducks, I don't know if they were the first to release their video, but that's the first that I saw. First team that I saw to release their ice building video so far. Now you can see them on this video putting down the water mixed with the paint. They ended up painting the lines on the ice and putting down the plastic tarps with the logo and the ads. It's that time of year, y'.

[Ethan]

All.

[Roy Bellamy]

Almost there.

[Ethan]

What did they show the center ice logo? Because I'm very curious because there's only one that I want to see in.

[Roy Bellamy]

Anaheim, and I. Yeah, they're about to do it right here. They're putting in the. They're putting down the center line, which is.

[Ethan]

Yeah, see that. That logo right there.

[Bob Rashuzen]

That.

[Ethan]

What's on his.

[Rosie]

I think it's that one that they put in.

[David Dwork]

I could watch videos like this all day.

[Ethan]

Every time I see that. By the way, I think Darkwing Duck.

[Roy Bellamy]

It is dorky. It is, basically. Yeah, there it is.

[Ethan]

Very good. Okay. Good job, Anaheim.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, it's beautiful.

[Ethan]

The only other team that I can think of that's played any kind of similar video is in Utah because they've been showing the videos of them. They've redone the entire. The inside of the Delta center to make it because they had the funky sight lines and everything last year. So they've been. They posted something like that, and it looked like they were putting either the ice down or the piping underneath it. But it is so cool. The guys were out there talking about how football is back, and I know, like, hockey is, like, right behind it.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yes.

[Jason]

Yes.

[Rosie]

Don't say that.

[Roy Bellamy]

Very excited.

[Ethan]

Very excited.

[David Dwork]

Month and a half, Roses.

[Ethan]

You're gonna go nuts. Hockey College basket.

[Roy Bellamy]

You're gonna be logging air miles.

[Rosie]

Yeah, no, it's gotta be a hard couple of months.

[Ethan]

I mean, hopefully the Hurricanes are good this year.

[Rosie]

Five months.

[Ethan]

So you and Lucy can like stay local.

[Rosie]

Oh, no, buddy. When there's a hurricane, they send us a week prior. Last time we were a week prior.

[Ethan]

No, no, no. I don't mean an action. I mean the Miami, the football team that plays here.

[David Dwork]

No, David doesn't want Hu to be good in my end.

[Rosie]

I don't think we are gonna go to a Hurricanes game. I have no idea.

[Ethan]

They have amazing fan ambiance.

[Rosie]

I just get into the plane and they just tell me where I'm going. And sometimes I don't even know where I'm going.

[Ethan]

Okay, I believe it.

[Roy Bellamy]

All right. Wins and fails of the week is presented by Jagermeister server code or don't serve it at all. Jagermeister. Damn, that's cold. For more visitmeister.com Drink responsibly. Somebody owes $5. Dave, what's your win of the week?

[Ethan]

My win of the week. The fly because I actually had my win of the week is Fedorov's number getting retired. But that's fine because there's something else that's happening in Detroit that we can, that we can honor and that I actually was thought was going to be my win of the week. And it's. I'm going to. If you guys can help me out here, I'm going to stand up. It's what's on my, my sweatshirt here.

[Roy Bellamy]

They're putting Hockey Town back at center ice.

[Ethan]

This is going to be the center ice logo right here. Hockey Town. Boom.

[Roy Bellamy]

Keep in mind that this is the 100th anniversary of the Detroit Red Wings.

[Ethan]

And it's the 100th year. And it's going to be a really cool looking center ice logo to have the 100 and the hockey Town and I think that's awesome as we're talking about center ice logos in Anaheim. I bought this hoodie years ago just because I think that's such an iconic look. The Hockey Town. So props to you Red Wings. I will be enjoying that.

[Roy Bellamy]

Look like that hurt you standing up and sitting back down.

[Ethan]

Dude, shut up.

[Roy Bellamy]

I'm sorry. The win of the week for me goes to Team USA. The Helena Gretzky cup is a under 18 international tournament that showcases draft eligible talent. And Team USA who barely squeezed by Team Canada and shootout win in their semi semifinal game earned a shot at gold. And they got it. They got out to a 5, 3 lead. In the second period against Team Sweden and shut things down. It is Team USA's second gold medal in tournament history. The tournament is 34 years old, so congratulations. Congratulations to them.

[David Dwork]

That's the. The World Juniors, the Gretzky Halinka cup, the Men's World Championships. And Team USA won gold in the Women's World Championships, if I'm not mistaken.

[Roy Bellamy]

That is correct.

[David Dwork]

Four gold medals for Team USA this year. USA hockey on the rise. All right, my win of the week, guys. You know how much you. Let's see what happens in the Olympics.

[Roy Bellamy]

We'll get to that in a second.

[David Dwork]

We're excited about that one. All right, my win of the week is Sam Reinhardt. We all love Sam. We all love Sam Reinhart. I love Sam Reinhart more than anybody. And he got his day with the cup.

[Jason]

And he.

[David Dwork]

The picture that went around of him on the boat was epic. But was. What was really epic was they posted a video on the NHL Twitter account of him working out with the Stanley Cup.

[Roy Bellamy]

Describe it.

[David Dwork]

Like bench pressing it.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah.

[David Dwork]

And putting it on one of the sleds. Yeah. And pushing it. It was awesome. And that's just a great way to show off. Not only am I better than you, not only am I stronger than you, but I'm a two time defending Stan cup champion. I scored four goals in game six. I scored the game winner in game seven the year before. What a resume for Sam Reinhardt.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Roy Bellamy]

Shove it in the face, Rosie.

[Rosie]

My win of the week goes to this guy. I don't know who he is, but Corey Perry, he made hockey Interesting for 10 seconds. Look at that. He threw everything away. Grab a small puck and went to the end goal. There you go. He made hockey interesting.

[David Dwork]

Let's made hockey Interesting for 10 seconds.

[Roy Bellamy]

Okay, so this highlight came when he was a Duck. Like, this is his. This is his one Stanley Cup. By the way, how long ago was this?

[David Dwork]

I'm on it.

[Rosie]

I don't know, but that was definitely.

[Ethan]

An all Star skills competition.

[Rosie]

That's my win of the week. They made me watch a video. 10 seconds. And I enjoyed it.

[Roy Bellamy]

All right.

[David Dwork]

Corey Perry hasn't been a duck since 2019.

[Rosie]

There you go.

[Roy Bellamy]

Okay, David and I have 2015.

[Ethan]

2015, 2015 or 2012. Those were the two times Brian Elliott was an All Star.

[Roy Bellamy]

Okay, David and I have a dual fail of the week. This is a major. That came out Reddit.

[Ethan]

We failed today with our wins and fail. Like, just organizing. Like, clearly.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah.

[David Dwork]

We don't talk to each other.

[Ethan]

We gotta get back. It's not like we send them to each other during the week or anything. Like, it's not like we actually do. We do do that. So that's what it's like. What are we doing?

[Roy Bellamy]

Anyway, I'll let this Reddit user whose name is Chitty explain why this is a fail.

[David Dwork]

There is an absolutely wild theory going around about the Buffalo Sabres goat head logo. And I'm still trying to wrap my head. Found it. Someone mentioned on Reddit that they thought that the Buffalo Sabers.

[Roy Bellamy]

Go ahead.

[David Dwork]

Logo has been oriented left the entire time.

[Bob Rashuzen]

What?

[David Dwork]

So by that logic, does it mean that this is what the logo technically should be interpreted as? Should there be teeth on the left side? And a tongue? This kind of looks like a half buffalo, half rat kind of situation. And I don't know if you can ever come to this conclusion, to be honest. Like, this just seems a little too nuts. Someone actually photoshopped the logo oriented left on a goat. And you know what? The more I look at it, maybe that is how it's supposed to be. That's a goat, not a buffalo. Given everything else on the logo, the nose, the way the eyes are facing, there was no way that it's supposed.

[Roy Bellamy]

To be oriented left.

[David Dwork]

In my opinion, it's absolutely right.

[Roy Bellamy]

What are your thoughts? My thoughts are this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. It's a buffalo.

[Ethan]

I can't. I don't.

[David Dwork]

Yeah, it's not a goat, right?

[Roy Bellamy]

Like, it looks like a goat because it looks like a goat, but it's a buffalo. You don't see buffaloes with that color.

[David Dwork]

That doesn't look like a goat. That looks like a buffalo.

[Roy Bellamy]

Well, goats don't have horns. Well, buffaloes aren't silver. That's why it doesn't matter.

[David Dwork]

Goats are evil.

[Rosie]

Color doesn't matter. But it does matter. Yeah, but structure does. Like that. That's about. What is their name?

[Roy Bellamy]

Well, the Buffalo Sabers are named after swords, but it's in the city of Buffalo. That's why the buffalo is the mascot.

[Ethan]

Oh, that's good. Yeah, I don't. I want to change it. When I saw this picture, they had changed. Like, I made attempts. I put it up, I lowered my eyes, I put it back up. I hide it just so I could try to like, reset my vision and try to see it from that. I could not do it. I cannot see it left facing at all. I did. This didn't work for me.

[Roy Bellamy]

It just doesn't make any sense. We have a minute left. Do we have any time for you two to get your fails in.

[David Dwork]

My fail can get off. My fail is to the Hockey hall of Fame Twitter account that decided it was a good idea to post a video of Sam Reinhart hammered talking again. Hi, guys.

[Bob Rashuzen]

I am out here in West Vancouver.

[David Dwork]

In my hometown with Mario and Walt.

[Bob Rashuzen]

Two of the top 10 cup keepers we had today. There's probably less than 10, but they're probably up there.

[Roy Bellamy]

It's been an absolute pleasure.

[David Dwork]

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[Bob Rashuzen]

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[Roy Bellamy]

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[Rosie]

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[Roy Bellamy]

It's in his equipment.

[Rosie]

We don't know. Yeah, you. You repeat it. Repeat it and you don't know.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, that's not even the worst one because it sometimes it could get in the goaltending goaltender's padding and go into the net and that would be a goal. Like they just back up into the net.

[Ethan]

It has happened before.

[Roy Bellamy]

It's happened in Buffalo. Yeah, it has happened before. Bob Richardson is coming up next, so enjoy that interview with us. Thank you.

[Jason]

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[Roy Bellamy]

Bob Rashuzen is in hockey group chats that I'm not a part of because I have an Android phone and I'm not happy about it.

[David Dwork]

The voice of hockey, our guy iPhone thing.

[Ethan]

Then why am I not in it?

[David Dwork]

It's an iPhone thing.

[Roy Bellamy]

Well, you're gonna have to.

[David Dwork]

There's a waiting list now, Jorky. There's a big waiting list.

[Roy Bellamy]

It's like Packer season tickets.

[David Dwork]

Yes, it's like Packer season tickets.

[Roy Bellamy]

Bob is the play by play voice for the entertainment and sports programming network and the American Broadcasting Company because they're both owned by the Walt Disney Company. He's about to do football, pro football, college football, but we're going to talk to him about hockey. So the grind that is announcing and doing broadcasts during these playoffs, it's just, it's ridiculous. How do you get through, especially the first two rounds of the Stanley cup playoffs as a broadcaster?

[Jason]

But it's what we wait for, right? So like, yeah, I don't, I mean it's hard. It's that the schedule is a grind, you know, the last couple of years, let's say even all four years, I think, you know, Will, because we alternate nights with Turner, we have hockey nights and NBA nights rather than following a series. So because we'll put hockey on say like the first week of this, the playoffs, you know, Sunday through Wednesday or Monday through Thursday and then they kind of take over Thursday, Friday, Saturday, we come back Sunday and when they have hockey, we have NBA and vice versa. So you, you don't follow a series. It's not like you get assigned, you know, Panthers, Lightning, and you just follow it all the way through. So I'll, I'll do like a Game 1 Monday, Game 2 Tuesday game or game one month. Yes, I'll do a Game 1 Monday, a Game 1 Tuesday, back to the other series, Game 2 Wednesday, back to the other series, game 2 Thursday. You just get up early in the morning, go to the rink, do some Interviews, go back, grab a nap, do a game, get up the next morning, go back to the airport, do the same thing over again. But it's the best part of the year. If you're a hockey fan, it's like what we wait for. So I never complain about the lack of sleep.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, I was going to say, what typically happens on a game day for you?

[Jason]

It totally depends on, like, what the coaches want to do in terms of their meeting schedule. But it's one of two things. Either we go to the morning skate and watch, you know, whatever we watch and then talk to the coaches after that, or we'll go to the rink, you know, two and a half, three hours before the game and meet the coaches that at some point we're going to talk to the two coaches. That's really like the box. You have to check because they will tell you in, you know, and they know the information's in the vault. We're not going to share it with the other coach. We're not going to put it out on social media. But we need to know injuries, who's in or out of the lineup that night. Are you changing your lines? Who's the starting goaltender? Those types of things. Just so in our truck they can build what they have to build. We can make the corrections to our charts we have to make. So it's really just based on their schedule, what they want to do. So it's either real early to the rink to meet them, or we go to the morning skateboard. The morning skate. When I first started doing hockey and I was like the backup guy for the Rangers for MSG in the early 2000s, we're going back about 25 years. The morning skate was sacrosanct. Like, you literally only had an optional morning skate. If you played like the second half of a back to back on the road and your team was old and even then most of the veterans would show up for morning skateboard. If the morning skate was on just a normal home stand, even if it was a back to back, but you slept in your own bed or I mean, even if you had a night off the night before, everybody was at the morning skate at all of them. And now I would say they're like 50, 50 optional or full. So we definitely don't get the same information that we used to get from them because so often they're optional and it's just half the team doing drills just to get a sweat in.

[Ethan]

When you talked about going game one, game one, game two, game two, like, yeah, I Hear that from a broadcasting standpoint because I know, like the preparation that goes into just trying to get for one game, you have got your stat boards with every player, you've got information, you've got little stories that you're referencing. How do you, how, how is it like not get super confusing and everything is jumbled up when you're going from two teams to two different teams, back to the same two teams and you got to keep track of everything. Like, it just sounds like incredibly challenging.

[Jason]

I don't know.

[Bob Rashuzen]

I mean, I don't want to make.

[Jason]

It like I'm splitting the atom or something, right? Like I'm a hockey broadcaster. I just, I'm looking at the guys on the ice and I call the game. Part of it probably has at least for me to do with just the cum cumulative work I've done during the year to get ready. Very rarely am I going to have a team in the playoffs that I either haven't watched a lot of or have had myself during the season. So, I mean, you do have kind of that vault of accumulated knowledge during the year. I've watched these teams and I recognize all these guys. And also now it's a lot easier than it was four years ago. I mean, I'm about to enter my fifth year of doing this again in the league. You know, this isn't college sports, right? College sports. If I had, say, Clemson football last year and now I get assigned a Clemson game or an LSU game or something, and I pull my chart out from last year and I look at it, I'm like, God, like, none of these dudes are still on the team, right? They're either. They either transferred because they didn't get enough playing time or they went to the NFL. So, yeah, like there's a little bit of carryover, but it is not unusual at all. Like, if I had a Miami football game this year, I mean, the quarterback's gone. I know that. So I'm starting fresh at quarterback, you know, and obviously you got a big name transfer in there, so you got to bring your Georgia chart out to get ready for Miami, you know, the NHL. If I look at the guts of almost every team from last year to this year, they're all basically the same. There are a handful of guys that move around and free agency seems crazy. Is it 50 guys change teams? Well, even if 50 guys change teams, there's 32 teams in the league, right? Like, you're only talking about two or three guys, a team that move around. Everybody else is the same. So there's that also helps, is that not only the cumulative work I've done during the season, but also the fact that in pro sports, guys sign 3, 4, 5, 6 plus year contracts and stay on the team that they're on for a while, and that makes it a lot easier.

[David Dwork]

Bob, the reason we have you this week is because you're about to head out for the college football season before you get started with the NHL. You've also got jets preseason. So what are. What's the schedule looking like and how does it compare to the NHL? I mean, you just, you know, told us about some of the differences, but, you know, in terms of the enjoyment and in terms of going to places like Lubbock, Texas or things like that, like, how does, you know, how is the college grind different?

[Jason]

Yeah, it's different because the travel mostly makes it different. Right. I'm unlucky. Week one, I'm in Atlanta. Like, we're. Our crew is going to do the two games that are in Atlanta. So that's Syracuse, Tennessee and Virginia Tech, South Carolina. So big city, nonstop flight, normal hotel, NFL stadium, all good. Something that I do not take for granted about the NHL in a big, big way is that, like, I used to do a lot of college basketball and now I do the nf, the NHL. So, yeah, like, nonstop flights, normal hotels, big cities, airports with more than six gates is nice, you know, but my life doesn't really get super crazy until it all starts to overlap. And of course that'll begin opening night, because not only will I do opening night, but like, I think last year I did a dozen NHL games for ESPN before, you know, before, like the bowl games for college football. So I did. And what, you know, what's. How many weeks is that right? It's like second week of October through the end of December, you know, you're talking about 10 or 11 weeks. I did like a dozen games. So I was doing basically college football, a weekday hockey game, and the jets for like 10 weeks straight. Basically, that's when all three of those things intersect and overlap. It does get a little mess.

[David Dwork]

Where are you opening night? Sorry, Roy.

[Jason]

For hockey.

[David Dwork]

Yeah. Are you here?

[Jason]

We haven't been told yet.

[David Dwork]

We need you here, Bob.

[Jason]

We have not opening day here. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I'm going to be in person watching.

[Bob Rashuzen]

A banner go up as well.

[Jason]

I think there's at least a better than 50, 50 chance that'll happen.

[Ethan]

It'll be nice because then if you watch the banner go up, you still get the Night off. Because the game is at 5 instead of like at a normal time.

[Jason]

Well, if you guys were on the hockey chat, you would know that after that game, I'm assuming there's going to be some type of post game at the Rainforest.

[David Dwork]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, the rainforest.

[Ethan]

Oh my go.

[Roy Bellamy]

Or the infield.

[Bob Rashuzen]

So.

[Jason]

So the first round of drinks will be on me. If I get that.

[David Dwork]

Yeah, Bob, if you get that game afterwards. We're linking up. Beers on me though.

[Jason]

But the hockey bar is too far away. Yeah, like for a post game.

[David Dwork]

No, no, that's. Yeah, that's it. That's.

[Ethan]

That's a schlep.

[Jason]

That's a schlep.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, but like I said, the Rainforest.

[Jason]

Cafe is a walk.

[Bob Rashuzen]

Yeah, it's a walk.

[Roy Bellamy]

Okay. Yeah, but I mean, I said like it is a grind. I mean I felt bad for Emily Kaplan, our friend, just for her doing her job, going back and forth. But I feel worse for all the play by play guys. Like because of multiple sports that you guys have to do. It just doesn't make any sense. Did you even get a vacation?

[Jason]

Yeah, we, you know, snuck in. June and July are good months for me. I have no complaints about, you know, like, I basically am a school teacher when it comes to like, you know, my schedule. I basically work non stop from Labor Day through like Memorial Day. And then when Memorial Day hits, I get some time off to not be in airports for a little while and now it all kicks back in again. But nobody wants to hear me complain about my job. I get to go to games for a living, so I certainly won't complain about it.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, just like Ethan didn't want to hear us complain about odd.

[David Dwork]

Oh, enough. Enough with this, Bob. They've been complaining for two years about having to go to Edmonton. And then they were on the ice after Game 7. The biggest NHL history was at home. Yeah, but you got to be there. I would have paid. I would have gone to NC two losses 10 times back in fourth, 13.

[Ethan]

To two in those two games or something. It was like.

[Roy Bellamy]

And we had to go through like six airports each way. What are you talking about?

[Ethan]

Come on.

[Jason]

Like I, I have yet to go to Winnipeg.

[Roy Bellamy]

Oh, thank God.

[Bob Rashuzen]

I haven't been to Winnipeg yet.

[Jason]

I'm anticipating at some point the Stars might a line and I may get to go to Winnipeg. I think I've been to every other Canadian city that has a team. The last time I was doing hockey, Winnipeg wasn't Winnipeg, they were Atlanta.

[Bob Rashuzen]

So.

[Jason]

So, you know, the jets have since returned to the NHL since I started doing this again. But I would have to say of all of the places that I've been. Yeah. Like Miami, Fort Lauderdale, like South Florida to Edmonton. That's gotta be about the. Not even just distance wise the biggest schlep but about the biggest like everything being completely different dichotomy between two cities.

[Ethan]

Yeah.

[Rosie]

Thank you very little understand.

[David Dwork]

I understand completely the travel. I'm just saying you guys got to be on the ice after game seven. That's all it is. That's all it is.

[Roy Bellamy]

That's great. Thank you. Thank you. You throw that back either you have a top five. Ethan, go ahead.

[David Dwork]

Yeah. So we mentioned that Bob is in the hockey chat famously that Roy is infamously nod in and we. I Bob. I consider Bob a friend. We've hung out, we've had a couple beers. You watched the Gators win the national championship with me. Famously had to put up with that. So I concocted a list my top five people broadcasters that I would like to have a beer with strong list here.

[Roy Bellamy]

All right.

[David Dwork]

Oli, friend of the show. John Butcher Gross. There we go.

[Roy Bellamy]

All right.

[David Dwork]

John Butcher Gross. Oli and I and if Bob has any good stories about drinking with any of these people, I would love to hear it after this list. Number five, Kenny Maine. Number four, the San Francisco Giants broadcast team of Dwayne Kuiper and Mike Kruko. Number three. This isn't necessarily a beer, but I'd like to like have a steak and a brandy with this guy. Maybe Al Michaels. Not that I' ever had a brandy in my life. Number two, Chris Berman. Number one. This should be easy. Come on, guys. Harry Cary. Who wouldn't want to have a beer with Harry Carrey?

[Roy Bellamy]

Well, it would be impossible.

[David Dwork]

Well, you can't do it now.

[Ethan]

But if you were a hot dog and you were starving, would you eat yourself? There's only one answer and it's yes.

[Bob Rashuzen]

Yeah.

[David Dwork]

Who would be your number one in broadcasting you would like to have a beer with?

[Roy Bellamy]

Vince Scully. Oh, wow.

[David Dwork]

I miss Scully.

[Rosie]

Me will be Ariana Grande.

[Roy Bellamy]

Wait a minute. No, that's not, that's not.

[David Dwork]

That's not a broadcaster.

[Ethan]

Great broadcaster.

[David Dwork]

Sports broadcasting.

[Rosie]

She goes to games.

[Roy Bellamy]

She's not.

[David Dwork]

She's a famously a big Panther fan.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, but she's not a play by play. A color analyst. That is the list.

[Ethan]

Nobody mentioned Al Michaels.

[David Dwork]

Al Michaels was third on my list.

[Roy Bellamy]

He wanted to have a nice job listening. A brandy.

[David Dwork]

Yeah, a brandy.

[Ethan]

Yes, that he'd. He'd be my number.

[Bob Rashuzen]

Number one. All right, wait the zoom. The zoom for me froze for a second. So I. I heard Kenny Maine, John Bucci.

[Jason]

Gross.

[Bob Rashuzen]

Al Michaels. I missed the other two.

[David Dwork]

Number four is Dwayne Kuiper and Mike Kruko. Number two was Chris Berman. And number one, of course, Harry Carey. This the spots for you.

[Ethan]

Hey, Norm.

[David Dwork]

Bob, do you have any great stories with any of these people, or can you just tell us a great book Shombie story?

[Bob Rashuzen]

Well, I could tell you a bunch of great book, Shomi Stories, but. But now, the other guy. The other five guys. No, I mean, a couple of ESPN seminars, a few cocktails, but not. Not nearly the depth of John Shombie stories that I would have.

[Roy Bellamy]

Oh, absolutely. I mean, you. I mean, you know him very, very well since.

[Jason]

Too well.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. Too well as roommates, so. Yeah, you should know.

[Ethan]

So, John, in the spirit, that's. Oh, my goodness. All right, well, let me reset. All right. All right, Bob, in the spirit of the top five, and I'm going to put you on the spot here, so if you can't, you know, recall all this at once, I totally get it. I wanted to see if you could. Your top five moments that you've called to you. Not necessarily the top five that we would think, but just if you could remember your favorite moments that you called. Maybe not necessarily top five, but.

[Bob Rashuzen]

Yeah, no, they all. I mean, at least right off the top of my head, I'll have to think of five. But right off the top of my head, I would think, you know, I go to, like, playoff overtime. Winner centers, right for Hagee.

[Ethan]

Nice.

[Bob Rashuzen]

Was a great one. I had a Barkley Goudreau against the Panthers. That was fun, though. Game 2, Eastern Conference Final at the.

[Ethan]

Garden Series went okay for Florida.

[Bob Rashuzen]

Yeah, yeah, that's right. Ultimately was a happy ending for the Panthers. Maybe the Bobrovsky save.

[Ethan]

Ah, the brav against the lightning.

[Bob Rashuzen]

Yeah, yeah, like the windmill save.

[Ethan]

I feel like you're curating this to your audience, and I appreciate that.

[Bob Rashuzen]

Yeah, I'm trying. I had, I would say the, like, the last game we did this past year was pretty good. I did Game 6 in Dallas when Dallas in overtime. Right. But at the same time, remember that was the Scheifele goal the day after his dad had passed.

[Ethan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bob Rashuzen]

Right. So, like, there was the emotion, like, of watching him break down, of having, you know, the, like the slow handshake line of every guy spending some time with him. It just. That was one of those peaks into the culture of hockey. Yeah, right. Of like, everybody on the Dallas Stars knew Exactly what Mark Scheifele was going through, and they all spent a little extra time with him. But I would say my number one moment in doing this, probably I think it was the first year that I was doing this, was. And obviously it takes on a whole different level as a memory in terms of significance, was in Calgary, Johnny Goudreau in double overtime beating Dallas in the game where Jake ottinger stopped, like, 65 of 67 shots or something. It was the best performance I've ever seen by a goaltender in a loss, certainly. And then Goudreau won it in overtime. And, you know, less than a year and a half later, he wasn't with us anymore.

[Roy Bellamy]

The. The thing I think about. About the. The Jets Stars game, the mountaintop in valley of the situation, was Mark Scheifele scored and then he took the penalty that led to the Thomas Hawley overtime goal.

[Jason]

Correct.

[Roy Bellamy]

Like, that's. That. That's just like, oh, my goodness. That's on the opposite end of the spectrum.

[Ethan]

I remember we were texting about it as it happened, and you actually texted me. You're like, he bet they better not score with him in the box. And then, like, just as I read the message, they're going in.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, I threw my phone when that happened. The.

[David Dwork]

The moment that stood out to me from that was Mason Marchmont, who had also lost his father, I think, within the last, like, year or two.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah.

[Rosie]

Yeah.

[David Dwork]

Him consoling Mark Scheifele after that was unbelievable. That was an incredible moment.

[Roy Bellamy]

Losing Brian Marchman, that one, that hurt. And seeing Mason Marshman being in this league doing as well as he is right now, that.

[Bob Rashuzen]

That.

[Roy Bellamy]

That's. That's great to me.

[Jason]

That's like, you know, we had another moment.

[Bob Rashuzen]

I'll give you, like, a similar moment. It was a regular season moment, but it was one of those again, like just a peek into the culture of the sport and the guys that have been in the sport forever.

[Jason]

Literally.

[Bob Rashuzen]

Ovechkin, one of the games that I called of his chase, for the record, they played Minnesota. And right at the end of the season, and as the game was over, and I want to say, like, Washington won late and there was like, a big celebration. I can't remember exactly how the game ended, but what sticks out to me is right after the game was over, Ovechkin yelling up the tunnel to half the guys that had left the rink. Hey, get back out here. Because he recognized it was right at the. It was the last time they were ever going to see Mark Andre Fleury.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah.

[Bob Rashuzen]

And they all lined up and shook his hand.

[Ethan]

That was cool.

[Bob Rashuzen]

And Ovechkin was the one that we had. We had a camera on him because obviously he had a camera on Ovechkin. Doing everything right with an isolated camera, followed him everywhere, and we caught the whole him, like, end of game, and then having this recognition of, oh, wait a minute. I have to go get, like. Right. Like, legend recognizes legend. And you. I have to go get the guys out of the tunnel. Everybody has to come out here and shake this guy's hand. And so that was a pretty cool moment, too.

[Roy Bellamy]

You mentioned Ovechkin. He's going to play next season. Now, one of the biggest questions, I guess, going coming into this upcoming season is is this his final season? So what are the biggest questions coming into this upcoming season to you?

[Bob Rashuzen]

Well, I mean, are the Panthers gonna run it back?

[Ethan]

Probably.

[Bob Rashuzen]

Right. Like, to me, that's gonna be a story that'll dominate the whole year, because how often do you see a team that has all of these guys that could probably across the board, be making more money elsewhere, all basically being like, you know what, palm trees and sunshine in January and February and winning. Not a bad compound. And so they're all kind of collectively doing what Tom Brady did all those years in New England. Like, Tom Brady, of course, had a supermodel wife that made more than him. So easy to give the team a hometown discount. But, you know, you got a bunch of guys giving the Panthers a hometown discount so they can keep it together and try it again. And I'm fascinated to see if it works again, because in a way, it'll be awesome if it does, because, like, it would reward guys for caring more about winning than about their paycheck.

[Ethan]

Yes. Yes.

[Bob Rashuzen]

Quite frankly. And I like that. Like, I like guys that care more about winning and about. Don't mess with Happy and about realizing that they're in a great place on a great team with a great group and saying, you know what? That's. That's worth sacrificing 20%, 30% of what I might be able to make elsewhere. So fascinated to see how that works. I mean, I'm in New York, so I'm always wondering about the Rangers. Yeah. And will they squeeze into the back end of the playoffs if they get there? What will their team look like? I mean, they basically kind of admitted at the trade deadline this past year that they just flat out got it wrong because they tried to totally overhaul their team as much as they could on the eve of the playoffs basically just try and make that run. Didn't work. Will it work this year? The one thing the Rangers have is they have the goaltender, right? Like the jumping off point for any team is you want to know you've got the goaltender and you know they have the goaltenders. Those are the two, you know, team like just off the top of my head that I'll be interested in following all your see how it works out.

[Roy Bellamy]

Is it just that they need. Is it time for a culture shift up in for the Rangers because of the way that they handle bring torts back? Yeah.

[Bob Rashuzen]

No, no, no.

[David Dwork]

Always a good idea to bring torts back.

[Roy Bellamy]

Oh no.

[Bob Rashuzen]

Culture. I mean to me it's just being honest about your roster and the type of guys that you've got. And I hate to say it, but the Rangers unfortunately have proven to have a lot of regular season stats accumulating players that when they get to the playoffs get exposed, right? Like Zabanajad, Panarin, Fox. They have not been the players in the postseason for the last couple of years. Not even getting there last year that they were, you know, in the regular season. And you know, it just again speaks I think to the genius of Bill Zito that Bill Zito recognizes what a, what a of today, what a playoff hockey player looks like. And would I rather have a bark off a Lundell? A low stir Reinan, you just go down the list guys that like bark off at a superstar level. But I don't know, is he going to be better than an 80 point player in the regular season? Maybe, maybe not. If he's better than any point player, he's not better by much. You know, the other guys might be, you know, 40 point players. And yet who would you rather have in the playoffs? What type of player would you rather have in the playoffs? Those guys or some of the 90, 100, 110 point guys that can just be taken out of their game? Because those guys, the Lundells and Los Dorainians go out there and stick a fist at their chest in the playoffs and take them out of their game. And to me what it goes to show is you have to look past the statistics and look past the regular season numbers and say to yourself, what type of game does this guy play? And when I get to the playoffs, what type of player am I going to want? And the Panthers have figured out, especially on their third and fourth lines, a lot like look, they've got the Reinhardt, you know, superstar scorer, Barkov, obviously, even if he doesn't put A ton of points up. Selkie winner. They've got star players in their top six, but their bottom six has a lot of guys that are no fun to play in a seven game series. And I think some teams miss that. That a little bit. Like, they miss going and getting some of those guys and. And Bill Zito's really smart about how he puts it together.

[Roy Bellamy]

All right, Bob, go and enjoy football.

[Ethan]

Well, I mean, he's jets, so.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[David Dwork]

Can you tell our Panther propaganda has worked on Bob by the way that we've been feeding it to him for the last year?

[Bob Rashuzen]

Well, I mean, they're back to back champions like that.

[Ethan]

Yeah.

[Bob Rashuzen]

And they've been in the finals three years in a row. Like, it's not. It's not hard to. To drink the Kool Aid.

[Jason]

Right.

[Bob Rashuzen]

Like, if I was on an NFL show and was talking up the Chiefs right now, it probably wouldn't be because somebody had to sell them to me. They're pretty darn good.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, it is a. We got a bit of a history here of winning, you know, just three years of history, I guess.

[Ethan]

A little bit.

[Roy Bellamy]

All right, that's it. Bob, we appreciate you joining us here today. Thank you for joining us, Bob.

[Bob Rashuzen]

Anytime. I can do it, guys.

[Jason]

See you.

[Roy Bellamy]

Thanks to Bob choosing for joining us, and thank you to Ethan and Rosie and Gino and Jason for helping us out. For David Dwork, my name is Roy Bellamy. We will see you next week.

[Ethan]

Bye.