The Hockey Show: Every Foot Matters

Summary

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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

The Hockey Show: Every Foot Matters

Date: December 5, 2025
Location: The Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami
Hosts: Roy Bellamy, David Drucker, Ethan
Guest: DJ Bean (What Chaos Podcast)

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Overview

This episode of The Hockey Show dives into NHL standings post-Thanksgiving, ongoing injury drama, the Olympics rink fiasco, and the evolving world of fun and fails in the hockey universe. There's lively discussion around food, NHL quirks, injuries on and off the ice, rule changes, jersey talk, and a full dose of banter. The show’s highlight is an extended interview with DJ Bean from What Chaos, who brings wit and deep hockey knowledge to conversations on topics like the “Michigan” goal, hockey fashion, and the peculiar vibes of 2025 NHL.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Thanksgiving, Food Traditions, and Barbecued Takes (01:22–04:18)

• Roy, David, and Ethan swap family Thanksgiving/brisket/barbecue stories and opinions on turkey vs. ham.
• Ethan laments never having tried Roy's turkey, advocates for ham at Thanksgiving.
• Sides debate: Sweet potato yams, cheesy potatoes with bacon, baked beans (with pork or burnt ends preferred).
• Notable Quote:
  "I want people to like my food. Exactly." — David Drucker (02:46)
  "My non-Jewish side of the family... Or turkey Christmas Eve, ham Christmas, I believe. Or maybe it's the other way around. I don't care. It's delicious." — Roy Bellamy (03:05)

2. NHL Standings Panic & Leafs Trolling (04:18–08:51)

• Teams and fans take Thanksgiving as a standings checkpoint; Toronto Maple Leafs are being trolled by Brad Marchand for being “outside looking in.”
• Discussion on whether Marchand is sincere or insincere in his comments; panel leans toward sincerity.
• Florida Panthers’ playoff odds, impact of injuries (notably Matthew Tkachuk and Eetu Luostarinen’s absence after a barbecue accident).
• Notable Quote:
  "Right message, wrong messenger." — David Drucker, invoking Chris Rock, about Marchand's comments (05:27)

3. Olympic Ice Rink Smallness Fiasco (09:15–14:21)

• Milan’s Olympic ice rink is being built 3–4 feet smaller than NHL standard due to metric system mix-ups (“Classic T.O.S. mistake”).
• Potential backup plan: Use Torino’s (2006 Olympics) rink, only two hours away; group jokes about singlehandedly solving the Olympic venue crisis.
• Debate on NHL history of non-standard rink sizes vs. MLB-style unique stadiums.
• Concerns about shrunken neutral zones and gameplay effects.
• Notable Moment:
  "Is that arena [Torino] still there?" — Roy, as the group Google-maps solutions in real time (13:02–13:09)

4. Injury Roundup and Kitchen Safety (13:11–15:06)

• Recap of NHL's rash of kitchen injuries: Alexi Toropchenko and Eetu Luostarinen both suffered serious burns from kitchen mishaps.
• Ethan jokes about NHLers needing food delivery endorsements; Roy prescribes: “Stay out of the kitchen.”
• Notable Quote:
  "Stay your ass out of the crease—Stay out of the kitchen." — Roy Bellamy (14:33–14:41)

5. Pre-Game Helmet Ban & Copycat Leagues (15:06–16:54)

• NHL fines Sharks & Senators for no-helmet pregame skates in Vegas.
• Hosts debate the balance between player safety and “letting hockey be hockey.”
• Roy’s “dad” side says be sensible; Ethan wants buckets off because it “looks cooler.”

6. Stat of the Week: Leafs’ First-Shot Goal Streak (18:07–19:25)

• Toronto Maple Leafs scored on their first shot in four consecutive games (first time in 15 years).
• Panel groans as goalies, empathizing with opposing netminders.
• Quote:
  "That's gross... My inner goaltender talking. But ew." — Roy Bellamy (18:33)

7. Puck Luck & Betting (17:02–18:07)

• Roy gives listeners picks for Dylan Guenther (Utah Mammoth) and Will Smith (San Jose) “shots” over bets, plus a Dallas puck line.
• “Stay your ass out of the Eastern Conference!”—Roy Bellamy on betting strategy (17:02)

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Memorable Segments & Quotes with Timestamps

Goalie Fight and Goalie Goal Fun (19:36–21:14)

• Enthusiastic breakdown of a USHL goalie fight (Green Bay vs Sioux City) and a Tri City Americans WHL goalie scoring a full-ice goal.
• Quote:
  "The Haymakers were flying. The footwork was spectacular. The referees could not get in and rip them apart. It was so good." — Roy Bellamy (19:41)
• “I love a good goalie goal. It's just a great week for goalies and some minor pro hockey.” — Roy Bellamy (20:47)

Fails of the Week: Wicked Ice & Tony D’Angelo (24:42–28:06)

• Kalamazoo Wings do a “Wicked” theme night, paint ice pink and green; panel universally appalled.
• D'Angelo's costly error for Islanders:
  "The on-ice reason why no sensible team should sign Tony D’Angelo happened..."
  — David Drucker (26:45)

Interview with DJ Bean (31:05–43:58)

Swag Talk & Jersey Nerd-Out (31:05–35:10)

• DJ shares that much What Chaos set swag is bought out-of-pocket and proclaims his lasting support for Seth Jones jerseys (now two Winter Classics).
• Quote:
  "Seth Jones is a very good player. When a big name or a high draft pick is not elite, people decide they stink. And that's just wrong." — DJ Bean (33:20)

Rangers, Panthers Winter Classic Jerseys (35:10–35:59)

• DJ: “It shocked me. It is a good jersey. Not very creative, but it's good. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.”

The “Michigan” Goal & Its Defenses (35:59–37:55)

• DJ discusses if the lacrosse (“Michigan”) goal is played out; notes it’s now so common, goalies are learning to instantly defend it.
• Steve Peters’ point: “Stand up!”—goalies have to adapt, and Bobrovsky’s quick glove response is lauded.

Edmonton Oilers’ Weird Season (37:55–41:41)

• DJ gives a nuanced take: Oilers’ defensive collapse is the real issue (not goaltending alone); cites lack of consistency, slumping big names.

Olympic Rink Size & Olympic Hockey Hype (41:41–43:39)

• DJ predicts smaller rink may mean even more electric, tense Olympic games—albeit without fighting. Excitement for potential Team USA/Canada rosters is high.
• Quote:
  "We all saw Four Nations set the table for what could be an incredible Olympics…this is gonna be amazing. I cannot wait." — DJ Bean (42:14)

Drunk at 11:30am for Olympic Hockey (43:30–43:46)

• Ethan: "I want to be drunk at like 11:30 in the morning, you know, watching us play like Latvia or something."
• Roy: "That's a crazy accusation."

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Panthers Den: Team in Trouble (46:37–51:26)

• Panthers have lost five of six, four in regulation, can’t hold leads, and are riddled with injuries to key players (Barkov, Kachuk, Luostarinen, plus depth issues).
• Most recent games: Blues, Flames, Flyers—all blown leads.
• Hosts are frustrated yet circumspect, noting there’s time; a turnaround is possible if team gets healthy by the Olympic break.
• Quote:
  "I don't enjoy watching the 2025-26 Florida Panthers right now. And how could you? They're missing seven regular players in their lineup." — Ethan (51:10)

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Notable Humorous/Banter Moments

• DJ Bean jokes about being shooed out of the Miami studio:
  "They probably have guns." — DJ Bean (43:59)
• Swag woes:
  "We don't get enough free stuff around here. How do you guys do it?" — David Drucker (31:08)

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Structure & Timestamps

• 01:22–04:18 — Thanksgiving food debate & recipes
• 04:18–08:51 — NHL standings worries; Marchand Leafs trolling
• 09:15–14:21 — Olympic ice size fiasco & backup plans
• 14:21–16:54 — Injury roundup & safety rules
• 17:02–18:07 — Betting with Roy (“Puck Luck”)
• 18:07–19:25 — Leafs first-shot stat
• 19:36–21:14 — Goalie fight and goalie goal
• 24:42–28:06 — Fails of the week: Wicked ice, D’Angelo gaffe
• 31:05–43:58 — DJ Bean interview (What Chaos): jerseys, "Michigan" goal, Oilers analysis, Olympic hockey talk
• 46:37–51:26 — Panthers Den: team struggles, injuries, playoff hopes

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Tone & Style

The episode is lively, irreverent, full of sharp one-liners and long-running inside jokes—balancing deep hockey insight with a fun, fan-focused, sometimes chaotic energy. Hosts are knowledgeable but playful, unafraid to poke fun at themselves, the league, and each other.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This is an energetic, informative, and highly entertaining edition of The Hockey Show—the sort that covers not only the news and stats but also the culture, oddities, and personality quirks that make hockey unique. Whether you’re tuning in for Panthers pain, quirky NHL stories, Olympic drama, the latest on goalie fights/goals, or to hear why Seth Jones jerseys are a must-have, you’ll find something to love.

Special thanks to DJ Bean for elevating the episode with his expertise and humor!

Transcript

[Roy Bellamy]

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[David Drucker]

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David Drucker. The Hockey News is to my left. Ethan is on the other side of the glass. Get well soon, Rosie. She is sick. My name is Roy Bellamy. This is the Hockey Show. You can Find us on YouTube. Please follow us there at the Hockey Show DLS. We have a TikTok account as well. Heockey Show 7 and on X Instagram and threads. Hockey Show DLS. We hope that you have had a great American Thanksgiving with you and yours. I again did my famous turkey and again I won. Thank you very much.

Well, I didn't really beat anybody, but everybody really enjoyed okay having that turkey.

[Ethan]

So, Roy, I missed, I missed the Turk off the year before. I was not here yet for the Turk off, I believe. So I still have not tried your delicious turkey and I'm trying to get my family. I'm really adamant about. I think turkey is the wrong meat to eat on Thanksgiving. I want to go with ham, but is there any chance I could get your recipe?

[David Drucker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ethan]

Oh, you will?

[David Drucker]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Ethan]

I didn't know if you were like one of those people that's very protective over their recipes or if they'll.

[David Drucker]

Okay, no, I, I, I put over Twitter a couple of times last year. So yeah, I'm not protective. I'm just happy that everybody likes the fact that they want to, you know.

[Ethan]

You just like that people like your food, right?

[David Drucker]

Yeah, I want people to like my food. Exactly.

[DJ Bean]

But.

[David Drucker]

But you know what? I think ham is actually a Christmas. It is, yeah.

[Ethan]

It's a Christmas meat for sure. But for me, like one year during the pandemic, we did a very small Thanksgiving and we did honey baked ham and turkey, and it was the best Thanksgiving we've ever had because I had an option besides turkey.

[David Drucker]

Oh, I love honey baked ham.

[Roy Bellamy]

Is awesome.

[Ethan]

I love honey baked ham.

[Roy Bellamy]

My non Jewish side of the family. We do ham Christmas Eve and. Or turkey Christmas Eve, ham Christmas, I believe. Or maybe it's the other way around. I don't care. It's delicious.

[David Drucker]

Yeah, man. Honey baked ham is the best, especially on.

[Roy Bellamy]

What's your ham go to Sides size.

[David Drucker]

Would definitely be sweet potato yams with him. Yeah, I can have it. A ham. Yeah. I mean, it's a sweet component with a sweet component, but I'll have it with him.

[Roy Bellamy]

I like going like, like potatoes with, like, cheese melted on top. Maybe some, like, crispy bacon on top.

[David Drucker]

Yeah, well, this. This is just Thanksgiving, though. Yeah, but.

[Roy Bellamy]

Well, I'm talking about with ham in general.

[David Drucker]

You know, I've baked beans. Baked beans. And again, it's. Yeah, that's true. It's a sweet component.

[Roy Bellamy]

But you can have some kind of apple.

[Ethan]

Would that be your. Sorry. Would that be your top barbecue side would be baked beans?

[David Drucker]

Oh, absolutely.

[DJ Bean]

Yeah, absolutely.

[David Drucker]

Every single barbecue dish that I have ever had at a restaurant, I checked the menu to see if there's baked beans on it. You know, then if it has baked beans, I'm getting it every time.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, I like the way they put, like, the pieces of pork in the baked beans so you get like, different, like, textures.

[David Drucker]

Poke beans.

[Roy Bellamy]

No, no, not like, not like that. Like, like little chunks of like, you know, sliced beef or whatever. I don't know. It's just yummy.

[David Drucker]

Yeah, it is yummy. Yeah. Burn ends always get burn ends. By the way. By the way, Thanksgiving is always the time that teams happen to look at the calendar and see where they are and in the standings in.

[Ethan]

Let's not do that today, guys. I don't want to look at the standings right now.

[David Drucker]

No, we're going to look at the standings. Unfortunately, we have to.

[Roy Bellamy]

They are there that, you know, that.

[David Drucker]

Happened to be there. And there's a line of demarcation. But anyway, the Toronto Maple Leafs are constantly getting trolled by Brad Marchand every single time. And this time, Brad Marchand brought up looking at Thanksgiving as a line of demarcation. In a team's season. In this case, it happened to be the Toronto Maple Leafs. This is what he had to say about Toronto season and trying to quell the fears of Mabel fans.

[Ethan]

Obviously, with the media attention and the.

[David Drucker]

Fan support they have in Toronto, they're.

[Ethan]

You know, things get blown way out.

[Roy Bellamy]

Of proportion up there.

[David Drucker]

But yeah, they definitely don't think that in the room.

[Roy Bellamy]

What are they, four points out of.

[David Drucker]

Spot or.

[Roy Bellamy]

If people are thinking they're.

[David Drucker]

Out of playoff spot for the season.

[Roy Bellamy]

They got to find a new job.

[David Drucker]

I'm going to do my best Chris Rock impression here for you, Jay. Right message, wrong messenger. Right message, wrong messenger.

[Roy Bellamy]

Right.

[David Drucker]

Because he's not wrong. It's 25 games into the season. The Leafs are just on the outside looking in. The Leafs are in a position where they've been very good in the regular.

[Ethan]

Season for a long time.

[David Drucker]

And they better have some confidence and some belief behind closed doors that they could still make the playoffs. But this isn't the guy who should be saying it because it's not sincere. That was Brian Hayes who joined TSN SportsCenter to basically say that Brett Marsh was not sincere. Do you agree with that assertion?

[Roy Bellamy]

No, I thought Brad was pretty sincere when he was. I think. I think Hazy is hurt by first half of his career. Marchand. I don't think he's taking into account mature Marchand. The Marchand that's won a Stanley Cup. Now, the Marchand that's just a good guy.

[David Drucker]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. He had won a Stanley cup before.

[Roy Bellamy]

No, no, that's won a Stanley cup since his rookie year. That he's won a Stanley cup as a mature person.

[David Drucker]

But on the road to that, Stan.

[Ethan]

I was gonna say he had a big part in that Toronto series. I mean, he saved the Panthers in that series.

[Roy Bellamy]

I don't think he's being. I think that's. That's just the thing. They did beat Toronto, so he doesn't have to, you know.

[Ethan]

I agree with you.

[Roy Bellamy]

Drive it home. I think that was being sincere. Especially considering anybody just turn around and say, well, if he's trolling the Maple Leafs, where are your Panthers? Below the Maple Leaf.

[David Drucker]

So, like, you know, not for long, probably. Right. Hopefully. Because there's a chance that Matthew Tkachuk will return at the end of this month. Yes. And hopefully some more of the players, like ETI Loose Rhineon maybe will come back at the end of the month as well as he recovers. Recovers from his burns from that tragic propane accident.

[Roy Bellamy]

Barbecue accident.

[Ethan]

Sounds like a fried Turkey situation gone wrong or was it before Thanksgiving? Okay. Cause there was another one. Not Jimmy Snuggerude, but maybe Veronikov on the. No, not Frankov.

[David Drucker]

No, I know about that.

[Ethan]

Torpachenko. Torpachenko.

[David Drucker]

We're gonna talk about that.

[Ethan]

We'll get to that in a second.

[David Drucker]

I'm think. I'm actually thinking may. Maybe it was pasta. Pasta water that fell on him. I'm thinking that. I'm thinking maybe, but I don't think it was fried turkey situation.

[Ethan]

We'll talk about that in a second. But just on the Panthers, like, I know it's rough right now and they're out of it. And the Leafs are out of it as well, but they're only five points out of the Atlantic Division.

[David Drucker]

Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, we're making a mountain out of a. I hate using this term. A mountain out of a molehill. Right. I mean, we are early in the season, it's. I mean, if you get on a winning streak and hopefully some of the teams lose, then you'll be back in it. Now, the way it is gonna take a little bit of help, but that's the situation.

[Roy Bellamy]

They're gonna help themselves like that. I'm. What I'm. My positive spin is something that we haven't had to experience the last few years as Panthers fans. Right. And that's winning.

[David Drucker]

We've been doing plenty of Panthers fans.

[Roy Bellamy]

I keep saying we like I. I stop doing that.

[David Drucker]

You're a journalist.

[Roy Bellamy]

I am. You know, my youth versus my adulthood. But anyway, my positive spin is that it's been a few years since Panthers fans have got. Had to sweat out a playoff race. Like they haven't had to watch the standings that much in. In March and April, so. But this year that they may have to do that and the fact that they could have a team that's like way better than most, if they get as healthy as, you know, if they get everybody back except for Barkov, which they may by the time the playoffs roll around. I don't know. Like, that sounds like fun to me.

[Ethan]

I think they just need to be within striking range at the Olympic break. If they're just still hanging around at the Olympic break, they'll be able to make a charge late season and. And they'll be able to hang around. But again, it's five points, it's December, and teams are playing at ridiculous paces. They won't play it all season. Like, the Flyers are on like a 102 point pace. It's going to slow down. Win four games in a row and you're right back in the standings like it's. It's fine.

[David Drucker]

Speaking of the Olympic break, the progress on the building of the Olympic ice rink in Milan is not going well. In fact, the rank is going to be smaller than NHL standard size.

[Roy Bellamy]

How does that happen, Roy?

[Ethan]

It's a classic to us mistake. It's the metric system versus the customary system. 100%. That's literally what happened.

[David Drucker]

As you know, usually international ice rinks are bigger because, again, the metric system usually bigger than NHL ranks.

[Roy Bellamy]

Usually.

[David Drucker]

But they're going by NHL regulation size for these Olympics now. I mean, the word is, and this is coming from Team Canada's assistant coach Peter DeBoer, the rank is going to be three to four feet smaller than standard NHL ranks. And you know, the ranks are usually 200 by 85ft. So it would come in around 197 by 85 by comparison. And we're talking about old ranks now. By comparison, this would make the ice just about the size of Boston Garden. 191 to 83ft. Now, the smallest ice rink that we've probably seen would be Chicago Stadium.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yes.

[David Drucker]

185 by 85.

[Roy Bellamy]

Boxing ring that they played hockey.

[Ethan]

How did we live in a time where hockey ice surfaces in the NHL were not regulated? That seems. It seems like ballpark nine to me. It seems like ballpark asinine. How did we play on different sized surfaces in different cities? That's insane.

[David Drucker]

It depends on the size of the arena. Right? I mean, Chicago Stadium was a barn, literally.

[Roy Bellamy]

Well, I think that's because so many of the buildings were built before they thought about regulating that kind of thing. And it's. And it's hard to, you know, wind that tape back.

[Ethan]

Yeah, I know.

[Roy Bellamy]

I was listening. I'm trying to remember where it was earlier this week when this was on. And I don't know if it was Laz or somebody was talking about how, like, why wouldn't hockey arenas do it like baseball and have every stadium have its own unique dimensions that could be like, catered to that particular team? That's a cool idea.

[David Drucker]

I find that crazy. I don't find it crazy in baseball at all, but I find it crazy in hockey. And what we're going to see, with a small ice, there's not going to be a lot of room. No, it has to be a lot more checking, right? Yeah. It's got to be more like, if it's bigger and bigger, if it's international ice, it'll Be like three on three. The way the ice is going to look out there with all those.

[Roy Bellamy]

That's what I was looking forward to, is the wide open ice. So you can. The skilled guys can do their thing a little bit more.

[David Drucker]

It's.

[Roy Bellamy]

It's certainly not Panthers hockey, but it's still. There's entertainment to be had.

[Ethan]

Just to note for those that don't know they played on a smaller ice surface in Sweden when they had the Global Series this year. And what will happen is they'll shrink the neutral zone. So that's the fix. They'll paint the lines differently. They will shrink the neutral zone so that the offensive zones are the same size. I'm concerned, guys. Like, are you guys freaking out?

[David Drucker]

It's going to be the same amount of room behind the net.

[Ethan]

It'll be the same amount of room in the offensive zone. They're just going to shrink the neutral zone probably by what, a foot and a half each on each side, Right. If it's three feet, guys, I'm concerned. Like, Bill Daly was asked recently, what are the chances that NHL players don't show up? And he said, what are the chances that the arena's not finished? If the arena is not finished, he says they're not coming.

[David Drucker]

Well, so, I mean, there's all.

[Ethan]

There's. There's no plan B.

[Roy Bellamy]

There's no plan B for an arena. That's it.

[David Drucker]

They would have to use somebody else's arena outside of Milan, Right?

[Roy Bellamy]

Well, if they're formulating that plan now, because that they've said that there's. There was no plan B.

[David Drucker]

That.

[Roy Bellamy]

That. That arena that they're building was the Olympic arena.

[Ethan]

So Torino hosted the Olympic Games in 2006. They brought this up on what? Chaos. Which we'll have DJ bean on later, which I'm really excited about, guys, by the way. I love dj, but can't they just play in Torino? Like, how far are Torino and Milan? There was an Olympic Games there 12 years ago. Like, there's got to be an arena that we can play in.

[Roy Bellamy]

Is that arena still there?

[Ethan]

12 years. Sorry, that's not 12 years. Oh, my God.

[Roy Bellamy]

What am I, 20 years?

[Ethan]

20 years.

[David Drucker]

Kind of like with soccer stadium five year Olympics ago. Yeah. Oh, geez. So they're relics now. Oh, boy. It's probably mold and grass growing inside the arena at that point. But we were talking about weird injuries, obviously. We talked about Alexi Torochenko, who is week to week for the blues right now after he sustained scalding burns. And did this happen after Thanksgiving or during. During the week.

[Ethan]

I heard the news right after Thanksgiving. So I was kind of like, like I said in the hockey chat, I was like, is this a fried turkey situation? And then somebody was like, you have Torpachenko frying a turkey. It's like, okay, that might be like.

[Roy Bellamy]

To get through a show without him mentioning the hockey.

And just so you guys know, Roy, they renovated the Torino arena seven years ago, alright?

[David Drucker]

So it's still in use.

[Ethan]

Seems like a pretty easy backup plan if you ask me, guys.

[Roy Bellamy]

Well, next question. How far is Milan from Torino?

[David Drucker]

Yeah, you look, you look up Google Maps on that one, buddy.

[Roy Bellamy]

Oh, it's close.

[David Drucker]

How close?

[Roy Bellamy]

Less than two hours.

[Ethan]

It's. Yes. You have to remember this is Europe, guys.

[David Drucker]

Okay?

[Ethan]

You can get there. It takes you seven hours to get and you can go like five.

[Roy Bellamy]

We are single handedly solving this problem on the hockey show right now.

[David Drucker]

I hope everybody's listening because we have solved your problem. Everybody. But yeah, Torochenko getting hurt like that, scolding burns ed to looser Ryan. And with the propane situation, I got.

[Roy Bellamy]

A solution for this too. It's a clause in contracts. What do I say when I see a goalie bleep up outside the crease is Stay your ass out of the crease.

[David Drucker]

Stay out of the kitchen.

[Roy Bellamy]

Damn right.

It'll be like the most misogynistic hockey rule since who knows?

[David Drucker]

But what about Jack Hughes? What are you going to do? Stay ass out of restaurants?

[Ethan]

Stop hanging out with Frank the Tank.

[Roy Bellamy]

Maybe hockey, you can just like get some kind of endorsement deal where they can. The players can buy their own. I don't want to say a name because I don't know who's sponsored and who's not, but somebody to get them to deliver food, you know what I mean? Just whatever. Just stay out of the kitchen. Stay safe.

[David Drucker]

Yeah. Last week, by the way, the Sharks and the Senators, speaking of safety.

They got fined by the NHL because the NHL has this rule.

[Roy Bellamy]

They got fined?

[David Drucker]

Yeah, they got, you know, somebody got fined. Some. One of the teams got fined by the NHL because they, as you know, the grandfather, the rule saying that during this is during the 2019, 2020 season that those drafted that season and thereafter must wear helm was. Must wear helmets during pregame skate. Ah. Now, the Sharks and Senators last week did not wear helmets at all during pregame skate.

[Roy Bellamy]

Oh, yeah. They were both in Vegas and neither one wore helmets.

[David Drucker]

Yeah. Yes. They were both in Vegas. I think the Senators did that for luck because they had lost six in a row in Vegas, they ended up winning that game. The Sharks did the same thing, although they didn't claim that it was luck, but they decided not to go with helmets during pregame skate.

[Roy Bellamy]

That is a copycat league.

[David Drucker]

So, yeah, they lost five in a row in Vegas and they lost again. So now six in a row. So that's the situation there. And one of the teams got fined. So what do you think about this? All the. This is the front office in the NHL right now being fuddy duddies because they don't want people getting hurt during pregame skate.

[Roy Bellamy]

I feel like, like I hesitate but then like my. I just go back. Maybe it's the dad in me. But I'm just thinking, do you want to change it after someone gets clocked in the side of a head with a puck during warm up? So you do want to maybe change the rule ahead of time and save somebody from getting their brain mashed. But I mean, it's a personal choice, right? They are playing hockey. It's not a safe sport.

[David Drucker]

It sure isn't.

[Roy Bellamy]

They are grown men and they look.

[Ethan]

So much cooler when their buckets are.

[Roy Bellamy]

Off and they're out there.

[David Drucker]

Well, not all Timmy Panera and he's bald.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah.

[David Drucker]

All right, it's time for choice though. Yes, it was a choice and it actually worked out for him. He's actually doing better this season.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, he's doing well actually. Dude.

[David Drucker]

All right, it's time for puck luck. It's sponsored by DraftKings. DraftKings. Crown is yours, David. Well, let's win some money, man. I'm. I'm broke. Let's go.

[Roy Bellamy]

I got a good feeling about this week and I think maybe it's because I just stayed my ass out of the Eastern Conference. It's enough. Enough with the Eastern Conference. But all right, so puck luck tonight. First off, I like Dylan. Dylan Gunther on the Utah Mammoth. They're having a fun season. Utah has been. It's a fun team to watch. Right, Roy?

[David Drucker]

Yeah.

[Roy Bellamy]

So Utah is in Vancouver, who we just love. I'm thinking Dylan Gunther goes over his shot total of 2.5. He's been over that line in seven of his last eight road games and four of his past five overall. Vancouver also allows the seventh most shots in the NHL. So there's that next game. We're going to go to Dallas. I like Will Smith on the Sharks top line to go over the 2.5 shots total as well. He's over that line and four of his fast, four of his past five overall. Speak the English. Language, David.

[David Drucker]

Hey, you're doing good.

[Roy Bellamy]

And four straight on the road as well. And in that game, we're going to get a little same game action going. We're going to take Dallas on the puck line over San Jose just because Dallas has been dominant both at home and everywhere else. San Jose, they're okay this year, but I think Dallas coming off a loss is going to hand it to him. Total odds on that parlay, plus 533. Go make yourselves some money, folks.

[David Drucker]

All right, ladies and gentlemen, it's time for the stat of the week.

[Ethan]

The.

[David Drucker]

Hockey stat of the week.

[Ethan]

Roy, you've got a stat this week, huh?

[David Drucker]

That's right. The Toronto Maple Leafs, for the fourth consecutive game, have scored on their first shot on goal. That hasn't been done. Two teams have done that, including them for the first time in 15 years.

[Roy Bellamy]

That's gross as a. That's my inner goaltender talking. But ew.

[David Drucker]

Of course. Yeah, of course. I mean, of course you're not going to like that.

[Roy Bellamy]

Well, because after it happens the second time, right?

[David Drucker]

Tampa is the other team, by the way.

[Roy Bellamy]

Of course it is. After that happens the second time, then you're aware of it. Like, oh, God, they've scored in the first shot the last two games. Like, the third team is aware. The third goalie is aware.

[Ethan]

The fourth goalie is definitely aware.

[David Drucker]

The ebug is aware.

[Ethan]

Didn't Tristan Jari do the reverse of this last year? He let up, like, the first shot, the goal, a goal on, like, the first shot of the game in, like, four straight games or something. Maybe it was just six in total. I don't know.

[David Drucker]

He was.

[Ethan]

Last year was bad.

[David Drucker]

You have a pit in your stomach, don't you?

[Roy Bellamy]

I don't like it.

[David Drucker]

Okay? It's.

[Roy Bellamy]

I'm going to be watching Toronto, whoever they play next, I'm going to be watching to make sure that they don't score on their first goal. I guess they play Montreal Saturday night.

[David Drucker]

Oh, that's going to be hockey night in Canada.

[Roy Bellamy]

They better not give up the first goal.

[David Drucker]

All right, it's time for Wins and Fails of the week, presented by Jagermeister. Serve a code or don't serve it at all. Jagermeister. Damn, that's cold. For more visit yagemeister.com Drink responsibly. David, what is your win?

[Roy Bellamy]

My win? Sticking with the goalie theme, It's. It's a double win. Uh, first off, we had in the USHL a goalie fight. Oh, we had a goalie fight. And it was a great One. Oh, my God. Uh, the Green Bay Gamblers and the Sioux City Musketeers. Great name, by the way. Gamblers goaltender Leo Enriquez and Musketeers tendee Ryder Shay went at it, and oh, my God, the Haymakers were flying. The footwork was spectacular. The referees could not get in and rip them apart. It was so good. So we had that. A great goalie fight between the Gamblers and the Musketeers, and then we're gonna go to the WHL because Tri City Americans goaltender.

[David Drucker]

Oh, wow. Look at the bench.

[Roy Bellamy]

Oh, we're still talking about the fight.

[Ethan]

Yeah. My take on this is the guys on the bench were a little bit too excited. They look like they won the Stanley Cup. Man, they're throwing sticks, jumping up and down. Like, a little bit too excited for.

[Roy Bellamy]

Amazing.

[David Drucker]

Yeah, I'll be. I would definitely have the same reaction if it was a goalie fight on the bench. I would have the same reaction.

[Roy Bellamy]

No, it's like when a goalie scores a goal, which we're going to get to in a second, you got to do what players do when you score the goal. You do the bench line. You enjoy it.

[David Drucker]

Yeah.

[Roy Bellamy]

So as I was saying, we're going to go to the WHL now. Tri City Americans goaltender Xavier went. Went for it. He scored.

[David Drucker]

Jesus Christ.

[Roy Bellamy]

But like credit to the Swift Current Broncos, they're down three nothing. They're still pulling their goalie. You got to go for it here. But, yeah, Xavier went. Scored from behind his own goal line, right down the middle. He scored a goal. I love a good goalie goal. It's just a great week for goalies and some minor pro hockey. He went and he did the bench line. All that.

[David Drucker]

They off, too?

[Roy Bellamy]

Oh, hell, yeah.

[David Drucker]

All right. I won in a week.

[Ethan]

That was for when.

[David Drucker]

That was the delayed reaction, delayed penalty retroactive.

[Roy Bellamy]

I thought that was great wordplay on my part, but whatever.

[DJ Bean]

All right.

[David Drucker]

What happened to Cal Palmeri definitely was not a win, Right. Like, he injured himself trying to get a check off along the boards in the Flyers Islanders game. But what happened after he got hurt is the win now. He tried to jack check Jamie Drysdale into the boards. He got hurt. He ended up with an ACL tear. He's done for the season. Flyers cleared the puck. They cleared the puck out of the zone, but it was brought back in via possession by Emil Andrade. And Palmieri just took it off his stick, who's not offside because the flies brought it back in on possession. He was not offside. It could have been Too many, though.

[Roy Bellamy]

But it's the best assist ever.

[David Drucker]

Took it off Andre Stick, gave it to John and Duran Druanne and he had a drop pass to Emil Heineman who ended up scoring. So that means that Colin Palmeri ended up with a secondary assist. That was the last act of his season.

Yeah.

[Roy Bellamy]

Who's got an assist with a torn acl? I. I'm. I think it's a win of the week. Just the fact that you're giving the Islanders any flowers, like, that's.

[David Drucker]

Well.

I'm not done there. Because once we get to the fails, you'll see why.

[Roy Bellamy]

Cya. Very good.

[David Drucker]

Yeah. Ethan, what's your win, guys?

[Ethan]

You know, I love Connor Bedard so much and he's having such a good year. And it continued the other night in Vegas with not one, but two spectacular moments. Let's roll the clip here. First, this breakaway goal here. Just shows everything he's about. His speed has been so improved this year. And then watch this release.

[David Drucker]

Bam.

[Ethan]

Top left corner, right over the shoulder of Carter Hart.

[Roy Bellamy]

And then.

[Ethan]

This is just so dirty. Let's run these back again here, this first goal. Breakaway speed again, the fire. He has had some insane releases this year on some of his goals. Snapped it off. Top corner. And then. This is just absolutely filthy. This kid's amazing. Put him on Team Canada. Everybody wants to see him at the Olympics. Put Celebrini on there, too. Both of these guys deserve to make Team Canada. It would be. I'm not going to say it's a shame because it's going to be Olympic hockey, but it would be really upsetting if we don't see Connor Bedard in Milan or Torino.

[Roy Bellamy]

Nobody in the league can change their release point the way Connor Bedard does.

[David Drucker]

It is.

[Ethan]

It's awesome.

[Roy Bellamy]

The one that you just showed the way. He brought the puck from out where it's normally to all the way nets to his skates and then he fired that ridiculous shot. Top cheese.

[Ethan]

Yeah, Normally like that. Earlier this year, too. It's amazing. He's spectacular.

[David Drucker]

Normally, nobody, nobody in this league shoots with the puck that close to the skates.

[Roy Bellamy]

Like that.

[DJ Bean]

No.

[Roy Bellamy]

With that velocity, with that accuracy. While moving to his right, he brings it back to his left. What's it special?

[David Drucker]

What do you think the flex on his stick is? I. I have no idea for him to do that.

[Roy Bellamy]

Goalie sticks don't have flex, Roy.

[DJ Bean]

No.

[David Drucker]

I'm kind of a darn.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, I know, but I don't. What do I know about it?

[David Drucker]

Yeah, I mean.

[Roy Bellamy]

Well, you Know, I'm not ripping slappers, okay? You should be out there saving them.

[David Drucker]

Yeah, I don't know about saving shots. Oh, that'd be different.

[Ethan]

I would love to see Connor Bedard up against you, Dave.

[David Drucker]

That would be great. No, no.

[Roy Bellamy]

I can't even stop, Roy. I'm gonna stop.

[David Drucker]

Ball down.

[Ethan]

You went bar down on him.

[David Drucker]

I did.

[Roy Bellamy]

There's video evidence.

[Ethan]

Oh, man. How have we not seen this yet, dude?

[David Drucker]

Well, drop it in. Rose didn't do the video, but, yeah, I think it was Jordan. Jordan McPherson. Yeah, we got that video.

[Roy Bellamy]

My lovely wife.

[David Drucker]

Yeah, she laughed at your ass. I remember that. That was hilarious, man. She just. She pointed and laughed at you.

[Roy Bellamy]

Happy wife, happy life.

[David Drucker]

All right, what is your fail?

[Roy Bellamy]

Other than that we're gonna go to the ECHL this time. Roy, I think you might join me in this fail, Ethan. Maybe. I'm not sure, actually.

[Ethan]

Maybe 100.

[Roy Bellamy]

Okay. The Kalamazoo Wings had a themed night last night. Another one of these themed nights. They're fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was for the movie Wicked.

[David Drucker]

They painted the ice.

[Roy Bellamy]

They painted it pink and green.

[Ethan]

Cosmo and Wanda. What are you doing there?

[Roy Bellamy]

What in the world is happening?

[Ethan]

Do you guys get that joke?

[Roy Bellamy]

I did not get that joke.

[Ethan]

Fairly odd parents.

[Roy Bellamy]

You said Cosmo. I thought you were talking about the Seinfeld.

[David Drucker]

Very odd.

[Ethan]

Very odd parents.

[David Drucker]

Dude, I am 41 years old. I did not watch the Fairy Odd parents.

[Roy Bellamy]

My fail of the week is Ethan referencing the Fairly Godparents.

[Ethan]

Very odd parents.

[David Drucker]

Thank you.

[Roy Bellamy]

But I don't know. I just. I feel like Rose might have liked that. Stranger things. But you can't do red and black because the puck is black. So I don't know. I just, like. If you want to do a theme night, I'm all for it. Bring the fans and get them excited. But that, like, yuck.

[David Drucker]

So the left side of the rink was pink and the right side was green.

[Ethan]

It looks like a. Do you guys. Okay, here's a reference you might get.

[David Drucker]

Yeah, I remember which of the west situation.

[Roy Bellamy]

I think, like, one of them represents Glinda the Good Witch, and the other one represents Elphaba. We remember that. Honestly, like, when I'm looking, looking back at it, it looks like this rink is brought to you by Pepto Bismol.

[Ethan]

It looks like a gogurt. Like. Like, you have it mixed up, you know, like. Like the two yogurts, one on either side. And then Cosmo and Wanda, they were Timmy's very odd parents, and they used to disguise themselves in things and you would just see pink and green. So there's Cosmo and Wanda.

[Roy Bellamy]

Remember those yogurts that came out with like the toppings that you can mix in for a minute? Like you had sprinkles, like.

[Ethan]

Oh, yeah, the Oreos. We've got some of those sometimes in here.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, those are good.

[David Drucker]

Yeah. I'm sure you're happy about that. My fail of the week comes from same game as my win. And I am very happy. And I get to do this because it finally happened. The on ice reason why no sensible team should sign Tony d' Angelo happened during the Flyers Islanders game.

Uncomfortable here. Bobby Brink pressure on d'. Angelo.

[DJ Bean]

D' Angelo thinks on his forehand. He's got a. An easy play to make.

[David Drucker]

No looks it.

[DJ Bean]

His partner's not there.

[David Drucker]

It's Couturier. No look pass trying. No look pass trying to get that puck to Alan. Adam Pellich and did not see a flyer. It was a tape to tape pass Deshaun Couturier and Couturier made damn sure to score on that goal. And I'm very, very happy that because I get to talk shit once again about Tony d' Angelo and what a bonehead move it was for the New York Islanders to sign this man. What were you thinking? What were you thinking? And now you get to pay for it by giving up a stupid ass goal by. Oh, my gosh. Oh, Roy.

[Ethan]

My fail of the week is how you put it out on how you put her. That rant. No, you. You tapered out, man. You had it. You were. You were doing so good. You were doing so good, and then you just. Totally, totally, totally.

[David Drucker]

Peter, you left the pot on for the video.

[Ethan]

Threw it off. That's my bad.

[David Drucker]

All right, fine, Whatever. But yes, I am very happy that I get to talk about Tony d' Angelo yet again because of something stupid he did defensively as a defenseman.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. You get a job at Papa John serving pizzas like that?

[David Drucker]

Yes, you can. Extra large. Some shack, extra large pizzas.

Ethan, what?

[DJ Bean]

You feel all right?

[Ethan]

I actually do have something. I went to. I went to the game last night. Yeah, it's a one nothing game in the third period. Were you guys there? No there last night.

[David Drucker]

I was there. Yeah.

[Ethan]

They started the Wave in a one nothing game in the third period. And I want to ask DJ about this because this goes on under the behavior report column. That's bad behavior by the fans there. It's a one nothing game. I'm trying to watch the game and people are doing the wave like it's, you know, we're up or something.

[David Drucker]

They played Peppers before the third.

[Ethan]

Oh, maybe that's why we lost.

[David Drucker]

So yeah, a double whammy by the by the Panthers entertainment staff and the fans.

[Roy Bellamy]

Faux pas.

[David Drucker]

Yes. Losing to what? The second worst team in the Western Conference.

[Ethan]

I mean, you could make an argument.

[Roy Bellamy]

There aren't many that have less points than the Panthers, but Nashville is one of them.

[David Drucker]

Yeah, that's. That's not good. You got 11 games and 11 game 11 home games and 12 games.

[Roy Bellamy]

Four teams in the west with less points in Florida.

[David Drucker]

If you are watching on DraftKings Sports DraftKings Network you can watch DJ Bean on YouTube who is coming up next. He is a the co host of what Chaos? An excellent, excellent hockey podcast that is coming up next.

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[David Drucker]

DJ Bean and Pete Blackburn are co host of the what Chaos podcast. It is produced by Shonda Paz. Is an excellent, excellent podcast. They do a better job than we do. All right. And the one thing that I can swag.

[Roy Bellamy]

We don't get swag.

[David Drucker]

Yeah, we don't exactly.

[Ethan]

It's my favorite hockey show.

[David Drucker]

I aspire to getting free stuff. Yes, they get free stuff. I don't get enough free stuff. We don't get enough free stuff around here. How do you guys do it?

[DJ Bean]

Well, first of all, I just caught a glimpse of a jersey. Is that a Seth Jones winter class?

[Ethan]

Dude? I'm telling you right now, dj when you guys mentioned on the show that you're buying a Seth Jones Winter Classic jersey, I had already purchased a Seth Jones Winter Classic jersey, and I was like, I cannot wait to have DJ on the show so that we can talk about the fact that we both have Seth Jones Winter Classic jerseys. I want the story of why you have a seth Jones Winter 2 now. Seth Jones Winter Classic jerseys.

[DJ Bean]

Absolutely. First, I'll answer Roy's question.

[David Drucker]

We.

[DJ Bean]

A lot of people don't understand that, yes, we do get some stuff sent to us, but so much of the stuff on our set has been purchased by Pete. And I, like, it would be embarrassing if I told you how little I've netted from this show relative to what we could have netted if we did not buy stuff. At every turn we go, we're obsessed with team stores. We love it. I mean, who doesn't? Sean's caught the bug for sure. We go like, we went to a Chargers game, My Chargers. And we went nuts in that team store. I'm a Chargers fan. Those guys don't even care about the Chargers, and they're going nuts in there. So, yes, we have. We work with a lot of good companies and brands, so we certainly do get some stuff. But you would be surprised by the percentage of the stuff on our set that is just no sale. Just, like, bought out of pocket, 100% price from Pete and myself. As for. As for the Seth Jones Winter Classic jersey, I'm a Seth Jones guy. Always been a Seth Jones guy. We had Emily Kaplan on last yesterday, and she was saying, you know, like, nobody thought the Blackhawks were going to trade Seth Jones. And I was like, hand up, two years running, I've been saying a playoff team like the Panthers should go out and trade for Seth Jones. Like, I love Seth Jones. He eats minutes. I'm very. I'm very big into Very good players. Like, I love elite players. I love like top end players. But like, Seth Jones is a very good player. And when a big name or a high draft pick is not elite, people decide they stink. And that's just wrong. Seth Jones is a very good player. So. I love the Winter Classic jerseys. Last year got that Seth Jones one after the game. Oddly, he was terrible in that game and demanded a trade. Following it, not long following it, but I still got it and I loved it. I got the A sewn on it. It's one of my favorite jerseys. And then when these Panthers Winter Classic jerseys came out, which I think we can all agree are beautiful, I was like, I gotta get one. I'm gonna Marchand and Pete and Sean were like, the hell you are. You're getting another Seth Jones Winter Classic jersey. So before I knew it, in the mail was a Seth Jones Winter Classic jersey. And I love it. You're rocking it.

[Ethan]

Are you coming? Are you coming for the Winter Classic? Like, should we. Is this a matching scenario? Should we match for the Winter Classic? If you're coming down.

[David Drucker]

What the hell is the matter with you, brother?

[DJ Bean]

I'm. I'm not as of this moment. But something's come up where we might be able to go. I think Pete has a scheduling thing so he can't go. And we don't really do stuff without each other. So I would guess I'm. I would say that I'm doubtful. But if I go. We said the last winter class we went to where like, we gotta also get tickets. We do the. Of course we go with credentials and we sit in the press box and it's nice, but one of these, I'm like, damn. Like, I just want to be among the, the people in my Seth Jones Jersey. Just looking 100 out of a hundred.

[Roy Bellamy]

I like it.

[David Drucker]

What you think about the. The Rangers win a Classic jersey? I mean, all it is is just the road version of the Centennial jersey.

[Ethan]

Yeah.

[DJ Bean]

I mean, first time for everything. The Rangers did not do something interesting. It's. It shocked me. I. I could not believe it. It is a good jersey. We have to say. It's not very creative, but it's good. It's just like, I don't know, like, would you rather be the Rangers who have a 10 out of 10 jersey and will only generally do kind of slight variations of it, or would you rather be the Celtics who have a 10 out of 10 jersey and every now and then they'll be like, we got gold jerseys now. We got, we got like black and green jerseys now. And everyone's like, worse, yeah, that's worse. Don't do that. So you're kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[Roy Bellamy]

So D.J. something happened in the Panthers game last night. They lost to Nashville in overtime, but I think it was in the third period. Philip Forsberg tried something that is becoming fairly common these days and it's a Michigan goal. And we'll put it up here for you. Bob defended it beautifully. It was almost reaction for Bob to just pop his glove as soon as he saw what's going on right here. You see him snap before he's even snapped his head around. He already had his glove up. I thought that was perfect. My question to you is, is the Michigan now outdated? Is it over? Are we over it? Is it so easy that goalies have it in their repertoire to stop it? Do we need the next Michigan?

[DJ Bean]

We've been trying to figure that out on our show for a while. Like is the Michigan over? I think it will honestly get cooler the more like Philip Forsberg is no spring chicken. He's not old, but he's no spring chicken. I think that if it's not just the Trevor Zegras and Connor Bedard's doing it, I think that it actually becomes cooler and not in the way that like I think it's cool when I do 6, 7 as a 5,000 year old. I think that if you have older players trying the Michigan, it's kind of interesting, but you hit on. What I like about it are our friend Steve Peters, who's one of the former Coyotes video coach, like the best hockey analyst in the world. For my money. He has been very big on stand up. Just like yelling at the goalies like stand up.

[David Drucker]

Reverse.

[DJ Bean]

VH has taken over the world and you don't always need to be in that position. Sometimes standing up is the better play. And Bob didn't stand up, but at least he was accounting for the top corner of the net there because you see so many goals that are now scored by players banking on a goalie being down. So I like that players are trying to out think it. And I like the goalies now finally we saw it last night with Bob, are kind of starting to answer for it.

[David Drucker]

Dj, your team, the Edmonton Oilers, they beat the Seattle Kraken 9 to 4 last night. But the way the season is going, what are they doing?

[DJ Bean]

It's weird because the Panthers and Oilers obviously are intertwined for a lot of reasons. Reasons that you lot probably prefer.

[David Drucker]

And.

[DJ Bean]

That don't make me super thrilled. But going into the year, I was pushing the idea of a fallow year, which in agriculture is when you don't plant anything and you don't grow stuff and you say, you know what, this year we're gonna let the soil like get all its nutrients back, be in tip top shape for when we grow stuff again. And I didn't know if it was going to be this year, but I knew it had to happen at some point. I didn't know if it was going to happen this year, next year, whenever. But at some point during the Marchand contract, we'll say the Panthers were going to need to take a year off and, and a year off from like a deep playoff run and then come back strong and with a couple of new guys and kick the ass they typically, typically kick. What I did not expect is that like a lot of playoff teams seem to be doing that. I don't know why. Panthers, you can at least understand it, given their injuries. The Oilers have been weird. The jets have been weird. In the case of the Oilers, no one's going to remember this, but before the season, the athletic put out rankings, like statistical researched rankings on all of the strengths and weaknesses of all these NHL teams. And the Oilers were ranked the number one defensive team in the NHL, which I was like, I love the Oilers and I kind of see why. You mean they're a good defensive team, especially in the playoffs, because they shut that the hell down. I don't know if they're the best defensive team, but I guess we'll find out. They have been defensively dreadful this season and there's been a lot of nights where the offense hasn't been there, there. I mean, when Jack Roslovic, who was basically a free player, they got, after the season started, got injured, I was like, oh, no, there goes one of their best offensive players. So the short answer is the kind of cliche of not enough guys have really shown up this year. They were without Zach Hyman for a while, but he's back and he's really starting to get going. Ryan Nugent Hopkins was a big miss because he's been playing some of his best hockey of the season this year. So without him, that really, really hurt. They've been without Jake Wallman for a long time. Everybody makes it about the goaltending and yes, I would love to upgrade the goaltending if I'm the Oilers, but it really is not their biggest problem. And I think it's such an oversimplification to blame everything on Stuart Skinner, like, yes. He's got probably like an.890 save percentage, which is not good. Calvin Pickard's been way, way, way worse. But ultimately the issue has been team defense. It's been dreadful the first half of last season. Darnell Nurse was one of the best defensemen in the NHL. That's not happening right now. Matthias Etcombe has his good days, he has his bad days. Evan Bouchard, as you know, has. He doesn't have good days and bad days. He has best player on the ice days and he has unemployable days. So they've been inconsistent and, or hurt. I think they're going to turn it around. I think that they'll. They'll probably have a harder time turning it around and they haven't played good hockey the last few games at least, but I think they'll have a harder time kind of recovering from their early season slump than say the Panthers will. Because I think the Panthers have some catchable teams in front of them. I don't know how many. Like, there are some obvious ones in the west that'll drop out, but not a lot.

[Roy Bellamy]

DJ One last thing before we let you go as we're getting shooed out of the studio here.

[David Drucker]

Yeah, the dono's out with pitchforks over here.

[Roy Bellamy]

But no, I wanted to get your take on. You know, they're talking about how the Olympic ice rink might be too small or smaller than they expected. We talk about all the time how much we love NHL playoff hockey, Stanley cup playoff hockey. Could we be getting ice the size of the NHL Stanley cup type intensity, but with the Olympic, like, type of gravitas attached to it? Like, I'm trying to spin this into a positive here.

[DJ Bean]

Well, I believe we're getting ice the size of the Stanley cup, shrinking it, just getting smaller and smaller and smaller, which Pete's very happy about that because he's like, small ice, small boys. Put Cole Caulfield on the team. He's rattling off all his short kings he wants on the team. Sean Moore wants like a bunch of Tage Thompsons kind of crashing into walls, having stuff on that doesn't fit them. But I think that this is going to be. I mean, we all saw four nations set the table for what could be an incredible Olympics. The biggest problem, of course, other than the dinky ice, is that you can't fight in the Olympics. And I personally don't like fighting in hockey. I loved the fighting in four nations. It seems so much more genuine. And the Kachuk of It all. I, I know that we're, we're mad that the Kachuks have a podcast and that's the end of the world. But I think the, like, the just the emotion that so many players across multiple countries have brought to this, it's gonna be amazing. I cannot wait. Pete said something yesterday about like, we should do an event. We should do a watch party for these. And I was like, no, we shouldn't. I want to go to a bar and watch with the people and scream my head off. I don't want to have any responsibilities. I want this to be a blast. And I think it's gonna be.

[Ethan]

I want to be drunk at like 11:30. I want to be drunk at like 11:30 in the morning, you know, watching us play, like, Latvia or something.

[DJ Bean]

Proud to be in America.

[Ethan]

That's a crazy accusation.

[David Drucker]

That is a crazy accusation. Well, you can't drink at 11:30 in the morning.

[Roy Bellamy]

Flood of cornflake in it.

[David Drucker]

All right, well, dj, we appreciate you joining us today as they just like that they're coming in. They're throwing us out, man. I don't appreciate that. But doing the work.

[DJ Bean]

They probably have guns.

[David Drucker]

Yes. Stand your law, Stand your ground over here.

[DJ Bean]

If someone ever tried to kick us out of our office, we just start crying and then they leave. Massachusetts rocks.

[David Drucker]

Yeah, well, we do things differently down here. Dj.

[DJ Bean]

I can't stop looking at that Seth Jones.

[David Drucker]

It's a beauty, dude.

[Ethan]

Everybody's wearing them at the Panther games. They're gorgeous.

[David Drucker]

Yeah, everybody's wearing them. Yeah, yeah, they're everywhere.

[DJ Bean]

They love the cat, brother.

[David Drucker]

Dj, thank you for joining us, man. We appreciate you.

[Roy Bellamy]

Hit that ice.

[DJ Bean]

Appreciate you guys. Anytime.

[David Drucker]

Hit that ice bath.

[Roy Bellamy]

Hey, Amin here.

[Ethan]

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[David Drucker]

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[Ethan]

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[Roy Bellamy]

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[David Drucker]

All right, it's time to go into the Panthers den in Florida is a shell of themselves. They have now lost five of the last six and four of those came in regulation. If, in fact, if it wasn't for Nashville, they would have zero points in the last three weeks.

[Roy Bellamy]

They're all on home ice.

[David Drucker]

Like, what happened I said two weeks ago, you know, when the Panthers came off of that west coast trip, that this would be this section of the season would be the one that turns it around for them. Excellent home team at the beginning of the season. 11 home games in 12 games.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah.

[David Drucker]

And it has not worked out.

[Roy Bellamy]

It started out well. I mean, they won three of the first four and it seemed like they were starting to get some build some momentum. They were playing good hockey. They were figuring things out just in terms of getting the puck in the net. And whatever happened around Thanksgiving, I mean, it started with the Edmonton game, but Bob was just bad in that game.

[David Drucker]

Yeah.

[Roy Bellamy]

So he put them behind the eight ball right away. Then they got that big Win in Nashville and you're like, okay, you know, we're okay. They're going to be fine. And four straight home losses where two of which they had two goal leads.

[David Drucker]

Yeah. One of which did not have a top six forward in Carter Verhegee as he went on paternity.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yes.

[David Drucker]

For about two days.

[Roy Bellamy]

Congratulations to the Verhadi family on the birth of a little boy.

[David Drucker]

Yeah. Came back strong. As. As I mentioned with dj, you knew he was the baby bump. The baby bucket.

[Ethan]

Knew he was gonna do it.

[David Drucker]

Yeah.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yes.

[David Drucker]

He ended up with a goal. He ended up.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. Four or five shots in the first period.

[David Drucker]

Yes. In fact, I told everybody on Twitter X as it's called now, apparently, the baby bun theory. Like, bet on shots.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah.

[David Drucker]

Bet on anytime points. Got a goal and hit the shot.

[Roy Bellamy]

Threshold in the first place.

[Ethan]

He did.

[David Drucker]

He won money in the first period. Yes, in the first period. So he got out of the way. Maybe you should have scored in the third period. But yes, he got all the way. So, yeah, the Panthers right now just not looking good and hopefully they'll try to climb out his hole.

[Ethan]

Yeah. It's just. You can only survive so much. Right. Like, Barkov and Kachuk is one thing, but then you add in loose Orion and Kulakov, Gadjevic, Nosek, Schwint. There's one more. Is there one more?

I think I got all of them, but anyway. Yeah, it's just too much right now. It's just too much. There's too much depth missing. There's calling up guys from, you know, rookies. Jack Devine, they're playing stud. Nica, who hasn't played in the NHL in two years.

[David Drucker]

Petrie got scratched.

[Ethan]

It's just. Petri got scratched for Sobrango. It's just too much right now. Like, there's too much attrition for the Panthers to handle. I mean, you. You see a lot of these games and it's like. Like the Philly game I was at, they go up to nothing, and then they get dominated for two periods in. You know, they go up to nothing in the first period and you're feeling really good. And then they get dominated for two periods, end up losing 4, 2. The Calgary game, they go up to nothing. Right out of the chute, they get dominated. They end up losing five, three. Like, it's. It's the same game right now, and it's very frustrating.

[David Drucker]

They do not have the players to play their style of game correct.

[Ethan]

They're Gadjevic. Like, it's so key at the bottom of the lineup, like, you know, they're doing as good as they can, but when you miss gadget and no sick and then greeters playing up on the third line, which has been effective. Like, I, I love AJ Greer, the way he's able to flip between the third and the fourth line, but it's just. Yeah, he had a rough night last night. One really bad shift. The one where he took the penalty.

[David Drucker]

At the end of two turnovers before.

[Ethan]

Yeah, penalty, yeah, that was, that was really rough. But, guys, you know, I, I, the last time we had a show, I said, let's take a deep breath because they were playing well. Let's take a deep breath because when you really look at it, they're five points out. It's December. A lot of these teams are playing at ridiculous paces, and they're not going to play at these paces all season like the Flyers and the Penguins. You look at it right now, the Metro Division is the stronger division in the Eastern Conference, which is never really the case the last few years. That won't last. The Panthers are only five points out in the division to the Montreal Canadiens. I don't know.

[David Drucker]

Is that sustainable?

[Ethan]

Is The Bruins having 32 points? Sustainable?

[David Drucker]

No. They're already in the middle of the division.

[Roy Bellamy]

We're at the point now where, like, you can't just not write off teams saying, well, they're having a good start 30 games in.

[Ethan]

Like, you're right about that.

[Roy Bellamy]

We got to start looking at some of these teams like serious contenders.

[Ethan]

The Panthers also have three games in hand on the Bruins, and they're six points back.

[Roy Bellamy]

Oh, we're back.

[Ethan]

I know we're doing it.

[Roy Bellamy]

We're back.

[Ethan]

But if they win all three of those games in hand, they're even on points. So it's like we're doing the math again. I know it's boring. It's annoying. Nobody wants to do it, but you have to do it. And like I said earlier in the show, if they can just get to the Olympic break and be in striking distance, they'll make a charge late, they'll find their way into the playoffs. But right now, it's frustrating. They're a hard watch. I don't enjoy watching the 20, 25, 26 Florida Panthers right now. And how could you? They're missing seven regular players in their lineup.

[David Drucker]

All right, they close out the home stand against Columbus and the Islanders. Now, that's far and away two better teams than the Nashville Predators, who they lost in overtime, too. So whatever. We'll see if they bounce back from that. That lawsuit. They could not close the show against Nashville, even though Bob played pretty damn well. It's just too bad. Thanks to Mike Fuentes and Jason in the back. Thank you to GJ Bean for joining us. I appreciate you, brother. Thank you for joining us. And Ethan, Good job, Rosie. Feel better. That's David Drawer. My name is Roy Bellamy. We have two shows left this year. Two shows. So.

Just I hope you had a great Thanksgiving, and I hope that you have great holiday season. We'll see you next week. This is the hockey show. And hopefully the Panthers climb out of the whatever the hell they're doing right now. This is terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible.

[Ethan]

Ernie.

[David Drucker]

Ernie. Hey, Kitty. Giddy.