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Dan Le Batard
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Dan Le Batard
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Roy Rose
Hello, welcome to the Hockey Show. I'm Roy Rose is in David's seat because David is in Boston. Ethan is in the EP chair. He's given a wave. A small bit of news just happened just now. David, you have details on a signing?
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David
I do. Just coming across the news wires as we are doing the Hockey Show. Kevin Lankonen, the, perhaps some may call him the goaltending savior in Vancouver this year has signed a five year extension worth pretty reasonable four and a half million per year. Granted this is his first, you want to call it breakout year or whatever, but pretty steady move by Vancouver to get him long term for that price. I mean Thatcher Demko been a little hurt this year. He came back, then he went back out again. So obviously they want to shore up a little bit of insurance there. I know they got shelobs who was amazing during the playoffs last year, but I don't know, Roy, I'm pretty, pretty pleased with this move for Vancouver. I think it's smart on their end.
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Roy Rose
So is Demko and lacking going to be sort of a Bob and Spencer Knight type of deal here if Vancouver was better than what they are this year?
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David
Well, I think it's probably a little bit more long term considering Demko's got, you know, quite a few less miles than Sergey Bobrovsky does. Bob's done his contract is. It's done after next season. Well, both of them are Bob and Knight, but no, I think Vancouver. If Lankanen is long term what he's appeared to be this season and in, you know, in bits and pieces of the last couple of years on some lesser teams, then their goaltending situation, assuming Demko gets healthy and once he's healthy, he's good to go, their goaltending situation could be pretty solid moving forward for a while.
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Roy Rose
Okay, obviously we're going to get into four nations in a second, but apparently Rose has some sort of hot take that we actually have to get into. So go ahead.
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Ethan
So my hot take is more than four nations. It should be a two nation Canada versus United States. Just get Finland and Sweden out. They didn't do anything. I'm so sorry. I love Marky.
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Sarah Sivian
I love this take. I'm going to tell you why. Not because I think Sweden and Finland should be thrown out, but because I think in the years that it's not the Olympics or the World cup of hockey, the all star break should be a three game showcase, best two out of three between the United States and Canada. Because what we saw, could you imagine it's 11 right now. Could you imagine the anticipation for a third game three days from now? What that would be like after what we saw in game one? A great game in game two, which we'll get into. Like, you know, obviously we don't love the result here, but that was a fantastic hockey game. Super well played on both sides.
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Roy Rose
Yeah, you are absolutely right. And you are absolutely right. I like Ethan's idea of a best of three.
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Ethan
That was not even an idea with my hotline.
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Roy Rose
I know you. You were the catalyst.
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Ethan
You were the catalyst with my hot take.
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Sarah Sivian
And I've kind of been saying this all week, but it's okay. So I'm disagreeing with your hot take.
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Roy Rose
But there you go. There you go. He's kind of insane.
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David
They're fighting over the hot take. Come on, guys, you don't have to fight. You can share the hot takes.
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Ethan
United States, I can be Sam Bennett versus break.
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Sarah Sivian
Let's go right here.
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Roy Rose
Four nations final was last night. It was a spectacle. It was an epic and of course it went into overtime. It was like a script was written. I was right saying every saying, everybody take Canada as the underdog at +1/2 and obviously they went overtime. So if you pick that one, you. You want money, so you're welcome. But let's. Let's start with the national anthems. Okay. Oh, Canada was booed. It was booed from the beginning. And I'm sure it got booed louder because that rendition sucked. Absolutely was horrendous. Do you guys agree with that?
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Sarah Sivian
David was there. David, what were your thoughts on the.
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David
Anthem last night on oh Canada? It was, it felt like the overhead, like it was pretty drawn out. No, I, I, I would, I, I honestly, like, I felt like based off of what happened in Canada for the first game, like I was expecting more and, and to hear the way that fans have reacted to it, like it's, it was some great situation. I don't know. I, I, I, maybe I just set the bar too high in my own head. But the anthems were, I mean, it was so politicized, though. A lot of this felt very politicized throughout it because of what's going on. Nothing to do with hockey, with America and Canada. But I don't know, like, we, you know, you know, Alex Baumgart, who covers the Panthers, you know, down at, down south with us, he's up here. He got almost attacked by a bartender at our, at my hotel because he's like, yeah, I'm Canadian. And the guy just freaked out. He's like, oh, you can't boo the, like, seriously, like F bombs. The guy had to like, leave work. So this is like, gone way beyond hockey. And it's just considering hockey very much as a stay in your own lane kind of thing. It's been a little weird.
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Ethan
You know, the problem is that we tend to politicize a lot of things, so we take out of the fun of a lot of things. And that happens with the Oscars, which I love. And with hockey, like every, everything is politicized and it makes it not fun anymore.
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Roy Rose
Well, this is what happens when you get international tournaments going. You know, if this was a regular season game, this probably wouldn't be an issue. But the way the rhetoric went, I mean, obviously that happened. John Butcher Grass on Twitter said, I hope Canada plays like that lady just sang. For the rendition of oh Canada, that did not happen. Now for the Star Spangled Banner, the Boston Pops came out there and I gotta tell you, that was fantastic. The anthem singer that sang the United States national anthem, she knew she learned that shit, man.
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Sarah Sivian
One thing we need to do more in America is what Canada did in Montreal on Saturday night, which is just let the crowd take over so you have somebody kind of lead it. I think the Blackhawks do this sometimes. They have like their, well, no, the.
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Roy Rose
Blackhawks do the applause.
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Sarah Sivian
They cheer the Entire time. Right, right. So I think what America needs to do is, look, most people know the national anthem. Just few lines, you know, oh, say, can you see by the dawn's early light? And then put the mic in the air and just let the crowd take over. Because being in that arena on Saturday night and hearing the oh, Canada. Like, that was goosebumps. Like, I started singing along. Yeah, that happens in Emma Jersey. It was amazing.
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Roy Rose
Yeah, that was. That was goosebumps. I'm telling you right now. I wish I had the video of the lady singing. But at the end between Home of the. And then Brave, she looked around and then she took a moment. Yeah, she took a moment. Did the head nod. Oh, yeah, I got.
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Sarah Sivian
That got me fired up. That got me fired up. Yeah, that got me fired.
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David
It was a little weird in the building, though, because everyone else obviously didn't know she was in a pause there. So every. The whole unison singing kept going.
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Roy Rose
Yeah.
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David
And then. And then, like, two seconds later, the song finished again. So then, you know, you got to get on the same page when you do something like that.
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Roy Rose
Yeah.
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Ethan
If you think, oh, that's the beauty of it.
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Roy Rose
That's the beauty of it.
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Ethan
Yeah. Because, okay, it got you excited.
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Roy Rose
Pause.
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Ethan
But it got you excited again.
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Roy Rose
This is like in the WWE when the Rock comes to Miami and goes to sunrise, and he says it. Finally, the Rock has come back. He stops. Everybody says, to Miami or Fort Lauderdale. But he says home at the end because he's back home because he went to University of Miami. That's. That's the sort of thing that happened, by the way. By the way, if you bet the over. If you think you. If you think the over hit on old Canada. Oh, boy. It definitely hit on the Stanhouse Mingo banner, because that thing went. It was like two minutes.
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Sarah Sivian
Yeah. That was a long anthem, and I hate a long anthem, to be honest with you, because I just want the game to start. But last night was. That got me fired up. I want to hear from David about the atmosphere, because, you know, I think I spoke a little bit about what Montreal was like, although we didn't speak about USA Canada. Rosie has a point, though. What's up, Rosie?
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Ethan
Since you don't like long anthems, next hockey show, I will sing the Guatemala anthem. It's very long.
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Sarah Sivian
Okay. I think.
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Roy Rose
Okay.
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Sarah Sivian
Yeah, Yeah, I think that's a great idea.
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Roy Rose
I think that's a social media clip right there. You gotta get on that. Yeah.
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Sarah Sivian
Twerky. I wanted to ask you about the atmosphere last night, buddy. Because, you know, I can only imagine what it was like being in that arena. And Boston is a great city to host this kind of event. So tell us a little bit about it.
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David
At its best. It was great. Like there were, it was peaks and valleys, like, and my guess, my bar going into it was what we experienced last year and the year before in like the Stanley cup final and all that. But like at the best moments of the game, like, it was loud. There were USA chants, there were Johnny Hockey chants. It was great. And I, maybe I'm unreasonable in thinking that you that wanted them to keep that, you know, throughout and the buzz in the building throughout. But there was definitely periods of low and that maybe surprised me a little bit. But the crowd was loud. It was not as one sided as I thought it was going to be. I thought it was going to be much more pro USA. And it was maybe 60, 40, you know, 55.
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Sarah Sivian
Really.
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David
55, 35. There was a lot of red in the building. A lot. And it really, like when Sam Bennett scored to tie the game, I was like, whoa. Like it got really loud in there. And then obviously at the end, like it could have been a home kind of goal. The way that those Canadians made that kind of noise, it was pretty cool. And I mean, it was one of those situations. Roy and Ethan and Rose, I guess when you're watching a play, we're watching a play out.
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Ethan
I'm going to call on your math. You didn't do the math right?
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Roy Rose
Yeah.
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Sarah Sivian
5535.
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Ethan
That was bad, honey.
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David
I was told there would be no math. You say, honey, I've been hitting the head with a lot of hockey pucks. Okay? Leave me alone.
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Roy Rose
All right, Going into the game. Now we're going to talk about the actual game now.
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David
55, 35.
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Roy Rose
The first goal for Canada. The first goal of the game. Canada did something that they really didn't do in the first matchup, which was create traffic and screen kind of hellebuck. And that's what. That's exactly how they ended up scoring. And Nathan McKinnon was able to skate freely and got a quick shot off that guy. Past the best goalie in the world currently.
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David
Yeah. All the US Goals that they'd given up before this game had been off rushes or zone entries. Nothing in no end zone. Extended periods of time that led to goals for the US So to see the Canada, the Canadians guy can't talk today.
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Roy Rose
Montreal.
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David
To see the Canadiens able to capitalize in ways that other teams had not throughout four nations had Me, as somebody that was watching from the American perspective, a little concerned for the US Just because there were areas that they had done so well for so long and it seemed like early on Canada was finding ways to exploit that.
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Sarah Sivian
Yeah, I think the story of the game last night was. And kind of the story of this tournament, right. Was everybody said coming into this, this is finally the year the US finally has the better roster. And that's probably true. Right. The US has the better goaltending. I thought their blue line was better. And they're probably deeper up front. The problem is Those guys have McKinnon, McCarr, McDavid, Crosby, Reinhart.
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Roy Rose
Power play.
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Sarah Sivian
They have. That's their entire power play. Yeah, right. They have the two best players in the world, the best defenseman in the world, the best player of his generation. And I'm not going to get you started. Right.
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Roy Rose
Thank you.
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Sarah Sivian
The best player of his generation.
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Roy Rose
Thank you.
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Sarah Sivian
Who, you know, is still playing at a very high level. And I just think you saw, you know, McKinnon, look, you can do the whole oh, playoff Hellebock thing. He got scored. The three goals were that shot by McKinnon that we just saw, which basically impossible possible to stop. He's getting screen. It's coming back the other way. McKinnon, perfect shot in the upper 90. Then Bennett gets in point blank, goes top shelf where Mrs. Mueller keeps the peanut butter wide open on that, wide open right in front of the net. I mean, this is, you know, a point blank chance that Sam Bennett has right here that you're going to see. And then the third goal is again another perfect shot by McDavid. So, you know, you can do the Conor Hellebach thing, but really it was just Canada's top end talent main, namely McKinnon. And then McDavid here on the winner beat the United States last night. And you know, the US has some great, great players and they were certainly missing Quinn Hughes because Quinn Hughes all of a sudden makes it pretty even on the blue line. He's basically the American version of Makar. But their guys came through when they needed them most last night and especially McDavid. And it was very poetic that back in 2010, nobody wants to revisit it, but Sidney Crosby scored the game winning goal in the Olympics after he wasn't.
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Roy Rose
Going to give me riled up the United States.
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Ethan
Exactly.
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Sarah Sivian
Remember, the United States beat Canada in the preliminary rounds in those 2010 Vancouver Olympics. Canada comes back and wins the gold. US beats Canada here in Montreal in the preliminary rounds. And then in the final, Canada comes out, and this time it's Mc McDavid. And I think this is basically like a passing of the torch here, where Crosby scored in 2010, 15 years later, which, God, that's 15 years ago already, McDavid scores to win this tournament. And I think it's poetic in a way, David, that, you know, you as a hockey fan and a guy that can, you know, and Roy, too, that can appreciate that kind of greatness, that it happened that way. It almost felt fitting.
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David
Yeah, I mean, see, there was. What I was just saying before is, like, there was, like, a moment where everything kind of slowed down and when the putt came out of the corner from Mitch Marner. And by the way, credit to Mitch Marner, who you did not mention, but he had the primary assist on both of those, the Bennett goal and the McDavid goal. So he went from a quiet tournament to having a really big impact on that last game. But it was just like it happened in slow motion. Like, all of a sudden, there was McDavid, spotlight on him, nobody around, alone in the slot. And, like, I felt like we all had time to reach down and grab our phone and open the photo app and put it up there and start recording. Like, it just. It all felt like it was, like, in slow motion. And there was zero chance that that goal, that puck wasn't going in the net. So it was. Even from an American watching, it was still pretty cool to see it play out and to see the best player in our game right now pull it off.
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Sarah Sivian
Go ahead. Right?
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Roy Rose
Go ahead. Except for Jacob Slavin, the defense for the United States was pretty, pretty awful. And they've. They turned the puck over and their neutral zone play wasn't exactly great either. And they left Conor Hellebug out the drive. For a lot of this game, especially in front of the net, like you do, protect your goaltender, clear out the crease. Like, dude, what are we doing here?
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David
Well, Slavin was ridiculously good in that game. Zach Rensky also had a really good tournament for Team usa, but I mean, look, Quinn Hughes was missing throughout that. They couldn't get him out there. You know, Jake Sanderson was fine, but the depth there, I think maybe played a part. Also, we haven't mentioned once so far. Jordan Bennington was unrelievable.
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Sarah Sivian
I didn't want to miss unbelievable overtime. Oh, my goodness.
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David
Like, Hellebuck was great early and throughout, but Jordan Bennington stole that game and allowed them to get it to where McDavid scored. Like, credit to Binny that was great.
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Sarah Sivian
Yeah, he made this save on Matthews, which. This is the chance right here that just has to be buried. I mean, it's a great blocker save, but if you're Matthews, that's point blank. You're a 50, you know, 69 goal scorer last season. Like, that just has to go in. And then he made another one on Brady Kachak. That was just like that. Maybe that's just Jordan Bennington's building. Like he won game seven in 2019 there. You know, he made 32 of 33. Stop, 32 of 33 or something like that. And then last night, he was absolutely fantastic when they needed him. By the way, that shot I saw of McDavid wide open in the high slot is the alternate Universe of Game 7, Panthers, Oilers, where the puck has pinned up the boards and somebody somehow, some way dry Seidel or somebody fishes it out of there and gets it to McDavid. Because if you watch back the replay of game seven, McDavid sitting there wide open, just waiting for the puck to him, and, you know, I guess you can say then that the Panthers are a better defensive team than Team USA because the Panthers didn't let it out of that corner. They won that battle and Team USA let it out. And you saw what happened. And, you know, tough night for Auston Matthews. He couldn't bury that chance. And then he was kind of the guy that gets caught napping on the goal. Didn't score a goal in this tournament. Hasn't scored in like eight straight games, including his Leafs duty. It was a tough tournament for him, but it's there anybody. You know, one last thing I kind of want to touch on here is, David, is there anybody that raised their enrooy. Is there anybody that raised their stock in the. In the NHL more than Jacob Slavin in this tournament?
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Roy Rose
Yeah, just him, absolutely. And maybe Sanderson offensively, but, yeah, definitely save him.
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Sarah Sivian
David.
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David
Yeah, no, I. After the game he had, it's hard not to think otherwise, but I mean, hopefully Jordan Bennington gets a little bit more respect for his big game ability. But I. But no, I mean, you know, putting me. Putting it under my head, on top of my head. The first guy that comes to mind after that game yesterday was certainly Jacob slavin, even Connor McDavid for the goal that he scored. He admitted, like, he wasn't quite as dynamic as he should be in his and many of our opinions.
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Roy Rose
So, yeah, all right, one power play in this game, it was basically playoff officiating. They weren't gonna really call anything egregious unless he was egregious. So there was that. And that power play went to Canada. The penalty kill, that penalty kill was pretty good because Jack Eichel's play, he.
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Sarah Sivian
Had his Kevin Stenland moment. He lost his stick and he kicked, kicked, kicked the puck away. I was like, oh, my God.
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Roy Rose
That led to a two on one.
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Sarah Sivian
He returns.
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Roy Rose
Yeah.
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David
So, yeah, Michaels play defensively throughout was really solid in this tournament. Maybe that's an eye opening element too. Yeah, he was probably USA's best player all around.
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Roy Rose
And Matthew Tkachuk got hurt, got hurt in the first matchup and he gave it a go for a period and a half and couldn't do it anymore. And that is bad news for the Florida Panthers. It looks like he might be out for a little bit.
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David
Yeah, I saw the Tkachuk brothers after the game last night. Kind of, you know, doing what players do, hanging out with family or what, whatever, in the inside of the arena and just watching Matthew trying to get up and down the stairs a little bit. Clearly he's dealing with something. So hopefully it's nothing that lingers too much into the Panthers season. But I think at the end of the day, as good and as entertaining as this tournament was, and you know, the. What happened to Matthew tkachuk and Charlie McAvoy is that just kind of, you take it, you take the good with the bad for something this amazing, because it's hockey, right? Like, they're not going to do what football does in the Pro bowl and make it like a mockery of the game. Like, they're going to do it, they're going to do it right flag hockey. So, no, is that just like, is this just to be an acceptable thing that I think, like, we want best on best, right?
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Roy Rose
Yeah.
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Sarah Sivian
Yeah, I think so, David. Because I was there, right? And having experienced that, like, people, I saw people that were home tweeting about, you know, Barkov limped off in one of the games and it's like, oh, my God, Panther fans, you know, this is the worst possible case scenario. And then Chucky gets hurt. This is the worst case scenario for me. Like, it's not going to take away any of what happened over the last week and a half in terms of how awesome this tournament was. Guys know what they signed up for, they know what they're getting into. They asked for this. We have to remember the players asked for this in the last CBA discussions. They want this. And yes, it sucks that the Panthers probably aren't going to have Matthew Tkachuk for at least seemingly the next couple weeks or so. But let's be honest. First of all, here's your chance, Panthers. This could be your ltir season. If you think this could be something really long term, you could put Matthew Tkachuk on ltir kind of take advantage of that loophole, go out and do something at the trade deadline to bring in some big time salary and really, you know, reinforce your team. Or Matthew Tkachuk is out for the next few weeks and he just kind of rests up. And look, the Panthers, they want to win the division, obviously because they want home ice. But the regular season is not what matters to the Panthers. What matters to the Panthers is the playoffs. And so as long as Matthew Tkachuk is good to go for the playoffs, nobody's going to remember that. Maybe he got a little bit hurt in the Four nations face off.
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Roy Rose
All right, we'll talk about how the Panthers did in the entire tournament. And we were going to talk to Sarah Sivian of the Civ Report and Too Many Men about the Four nations tournament coming.
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Roy Rose
Sarah Sivian joins us from the Civil Report and Too many Men and as David's in the airport, in the airport announcements continue. They were both in Boston for the Four nations final, which turned out to be a significant event for Canada in this situation. But how is the atmosphere in the arena at TD Garden? Because it was pretty palpable for the entire week from both locations, based on the political thing, basically, that happened with the United States. So how was the atmosphere in TD Garden during the game?
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Dan Le Batard
Yeah, okay, first of all, that cracks me up because we Talked to Nathan McKinnon after the game, and he's like, listen, I don't know much about politics, but I know the Canada and USA is kind of a thing right now. That cracked me up. It's like, a thing. But yes, it was a thing at TD Garden. Definitely booze for Canada, but people were there. But then there were cheers to, like, there was a lot of Canadians in the lower bowl. And obviously, when the momentum shifted to Canada, like, they showed up and they showed out. But at the same time, everything was extremely loud. Like, I talk about, I was at game seven of Maple Leafs versus Bruins years ago. It got as loud as that, maybe a little bit louder.
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Roy Rose
That was the goal that Rhymer gave up on that one.
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Dan Le Batard
Oh, isn't it always?
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Roy Rose
Yeah.
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David
Sarah, I wanted to get your take, and you kind of just alluded to it a little bit, but just as somebody that's been in that building so many times, I wasn't sure how that would compare. And so if that's comparing to, like, Game 7 Bruins Leafs, that would be a big thing. But I was a little bit surprised just based off of how pro Canada the crowd was in Montreal last Saturday that there were so many Canadians that I don't know if infiltrated is the right word. I mean, there's talk about guys that drove, like, 30 hours to get there, but I was a little surprised that it wasn't more of a home. Home ice advantage feel. Were you?
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Dan Le Batard
No, this is Canadian, like, this game, winning them. Winning was just kind of emblematic of, like, you know, what? Team USA can improve and improve and improve, but hockey is still Canada's game. And I think, like, obviously Montreal is just hours away from Boston, so that was a good geographical rivalry type thing. And I know a lot of people from America that went to Canada for the. The other games. So I just think at the end of the day, hockey is very Canadian, and you kind of saw that with the representation there.
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Sarah Sivian
Hey, Sarah, was this maybe the most little brother moment USA Hockey has had with Canada where you win the game on Saturday in Montreal and everybody's really fired up about it? You have the three fights in nine seconds, all the drama with the group chats and the political stuff. And then you come out, you talk to. You go to Boston, it feels like you talk a whole lot of. Just to lose the game that actually matters. Again, like, could this have been more of a little brother moment for USA Hockey?
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Dan Le Batard
Oh, what a great take. Absolutely. And also just they kind of succumbed to the drama around it where Team Canada. And you saw, okay, in the media, there was a lot of questions asked about, how are you feeling about this moment? Like, where does it compare to everything? And Sidney Crosby said something before the championship game that just made me realize, all right, like, this is little brother moment for usa. He's like, you know what? I've been involved in a lot of big moments. It's so true. And everybody on USA was fighting for their lives. And I don't know, I liked Brandon Hagel kind of on Team Canada, Tampa Bay Lightning, you may know him. Said he's playing for, obviously the leaf in the jersey and not the group chat or whatever. That was kind of. That's the mentality that a team that gets it needs to have. And I mean, I loved the antics to some degree. You know, I love Matthew Tkachuk, and I love when he was asked about that group chat thing and her Brandon Engel said, we don't have a group chat. And Chuck's like, well, maybe they don't like each other. That's hilarious. And these chirps back and forth are needed to grow the game, but at the same time, it is. You end up a little brother when you can't pull it off at the end. Even though this is the closest hockey game I've ever seen in my life.
- [26:53]
Sarah Sivian
Was this also a missed opportunity for the usa? Like, isn't Canada only going to be stronger one more year? Like, USA is still going to have the goaltending advantage, but obviously everybody's looking forward to Milan now next year at the Olympics. Do you feel like this might have been USA's best shot to get Canada in one of these best on best tournaments?
- [27:12]
Dan Le Batard
Great question. I don't think so. Because of the trend of how hockey is growing in. In America. Like, you look at the percentage of guys that are American born from 10 years ago, and it's at least like 10 or 15% higher. So I feel like the game has been exploding in the US So I think it's just going to get better. But I think this was kind of like a measuring stick of, okay, we thought we were absolutely there, and we're not quite yet.
- [27:40]
Roy Rose
With the politics being driven up and affecting things in both of the countries, it pretty much seems that the Johnny Goudreau Memorial for the United States team got overshadowed by all this nonsense. Do you agree?
- [27:58]
Dan Le Batard
Yeah. And it's a shame because, I mean, at TD Garden, there were Johnny Hockey chants and tributes. And you know what? Like, the team itself was talking about him and thinking about him every day. But in such a politically charged environment, it really is like they lost focus about a lot of things. And that's the most important one.
- [28:19]
David
Sarah, One of the least surprising things that happened last night was Sidney or was Connor McDavid.
- [28:24]
Roy Rose
Yeah, you better not say Sidney Crosby. Please don't say that name.
- [28:27]
David
He did. The new Sidney Crosby. The new. The new daddy of Canadian scoring the winning goal that. No, I don't think any of us were surprised by that. What did surprise me, maybe the most surprising thing of all yesterday was the treatment by the crowd of Brad Marchand. He got booed on his home ice, loudly. And that was like, wow. So, I don't know, as the Boston girl, what's your take on that?
- [28:53]
Dan Le Batard
I think there were a lot of fans that aren't from Boston that ended up going to the game. First of all, I think people are idiots in general. People were very much idiots about this game. And Brad Marchand is somebody who is okay with being booed. You know what I mean? Like, he has been booed in every single atmosphere he's been in. So I think Bruins fans do know that. But the McDavid point, I don't know. I was thinking about this. Like, I know there were tons of new USA hockey fans watching this game, and I. I was thinking, oh, my God, maybe they're disappointed that USA couldn't pull it off, but they got to see the absolute best hockey player in the world do what he has not been able to do thus far on the biggest stage. So that's just the best hockey you're going to get. So USA hockey fans that just started watching during this tournament, you got to see something great.
- [29:43]
David
I wanted to ask about the big stage before the airport guys talked over me. But speaking of a big stage, just generally, how do they leave a guy that open? He had an entire dance floor of space to store that goal. Come on, America. You can't leave such an amazing tournament and leave that with the taste in our mouths. But that's it. I'm stepping back as the American after that.
- [30:03]
Dan Le Batard
We were talking to McKinnon after the game, and he's like, yeah, I mean, you can't leave Conor wide open. He Just said that. Like he's not even trying to flex. He's just like he was wide open. What's he going to do? Score? And it was a tough tournament and it's kind of a tough season for Matthews right now. He's fighting something. I don't know what. They tried to fix it in Germany. I don't know if they did. I don't know if he's sick. He seemed sick when we were talking to him. Like everybody here is sick. I sound sick. I'm a little sick, clearly. But I think something's going on with Matthews and you just can't leave Connor McDavid that open.
- [30:38]
Sarah Sivian
Sarah, I want to look ahead now. The second half of the season starts tomorrow, right? So let's look ahead to it. One of the big storylines going into the second half of the season is going to be what the Carolina Hurricanes do with Miko Rantnen after they just traded for him. It feels like two weeks ago. There were some rumors flying around yesterday that he doesn't seem all that excited about being in Carolina, about extending with Carolina and that could lead to them trading him here within the next couple weeks when the deadline is on March 7th. So I want to ask you because the only reason I've heard for why he would stay in Carolina is people really like Rod Bryn Moore and the Power of Friendship with Sebastian Ajo. So why should I believe that after he was going to test free agency with the team he's been with for 10 years, he's not going to just test free agency with Carolina, a team he was just traded to?
- [31:25]
Dan Le Batard
I don't believe that at all. I think his agent is really good at negotiating in the public too. And I think it depends. I know Tom Dundon and the Carolina Hurricanes are very much negotiators themselves in the way a lot of NHL agents are. So it's going to be hardball for for a minute here. And I think we're in such a no man's land when it comes to the salary cap rising and ransom and everybody wants to test the market. Why wouldn't you? It's increasing. We don't know if Carolina is going to spend to the cap. They have been right now. But like it took them a few years to get there to this position where they're spending to the cap. So it's all interesting with the salary cap and I would think it wouldn't be about bad vibes in Carolina or anything like that if rented and test the market. It's just who you'd be crazy not to test this market when the salary caps jumping more than it has in a decade.
- [32:17]
Roy Rose
Give us a sense at how angry the Boston Bruins are at Team USA based off of the injury of Charlie McAvoy.
- [32:25]
Dan Le Batard
Oh, my God. On a scale of 1 to 10, it's Mike Milbury throwing a shoe in the crowd. Oh, wow. I think, Pete Bruins are extremely disappointed and frustrated with the way this was handled with Team usa. I think you don't specifically make that statement that they did with our naming their medic by name and title in a tweet. Like, why are you putting that out to the public? Because you are mad. But it feels like maybe this didn't have to get as bad as it did. And you're looking at. There's a ton of kind of injuries and question marks with guys. You got Tkachuk on Team USA and you're in. Maybe you're questioning a little bit like, where did they. How did they pick the staff? And was that the correct decision? But I think the Bruins would say no.
- [33:13]
David
Sarah, you brought something up before talking about Carolina that kind of made me think of something that's really been interesting me. As we head towards the trade lead line and that's the goalie market. I feel like Carolina's got to be the front runner, if nothing else, to go after John Gibson or maybe another goaltender on the mark. I feel like he's the number one guy out there. But do you get that sense that they need to bring in a goalie or are they going to kind of try to ride it out with Anderson and Kochov and see if that works this time?
- [33:37]
Dan Le Batard
Personally, I have wanted them to get a new goalie since I came out of the womb. I'm like, can you please just trade for a goalie? Can you do something? And they just, like, are adamant about having the best defense of all time and like a slightly above average goaltender. I think the Anderson situation is so precarious that you have to. And they would love somebody like Gibson. Like, that's kind of. When I look at Hurricanes, I'm like, that seems like a safe bet. They like safe players that have had veteran insurance. They can. They can see. And Gibson, he's itching for the playoffs. I think that'd be a great thing. But are they going to do it? I don't know. Why wouldn't you? You look at what the Avalanche did. We're like, all right, we'll simply get two new goaltenders in two weeks and we're an ent. Different team. I think that gives everybody else the allowance to try it.
- [34:23]
Sarah Sivian
Sarah, real quick, I'm going to give you five teams. You're going to pick two of them that are going to make the playoffs. The Ottawa Senators, the Detroit Red Wings, the Columbus Blue Jackets, the Boston Bruins and the New York Rangers. Who makes the playoffs?
- [34:35]
Dan Le Batard
Red Wings. Blue Jackets. Blue Jackets might be biased because I just. I love the story and the vibe around them, but they have dealt with so much adversity and so many injuries and they have, like, not a great team. Like, if you think about comparatively to the teams that they are beating, it's like they are underdog and they're injured. But Boone Jenner's coming back. They got people coming back. And Don Riddell said he's not necessarily selling at the deadline anymore. So I think if he can buy. He said he's going to prove to this team that they deserve to be there and maybe buy. So I'm like, if he's going to do that, give them that vote of confidence. That's great. The Red Wings, ever since they got a new coach, it's like they learned how to play hockey again. They have one of the best power play units of all time. Watching this, I'm almost mad at them for, like, what do they do to just turn this on? It can't be just as simple as getting a new coach, but I guess it was. But they. They showed they're significantly better and they're trending upwards.
- [35:30]
Roy Rose
Finally, to close out our four nations coverage with Sarah Savion. You're a fashionista. Why don't you give us the grades on all four of the uniforms that these teams wore?
- [35:41]
Dan Le Batard
All right, USA for. Oh, my God. Everyone's going to listen to the USA haters. Number one. That's not true. I love my country because I can criticize my country. Okay, so number four, Team usa. That just looks like a fake knockoff jersey. Three, we're going Canada. Just kind of same deal. I mean, it's boring. It's. It's the Maple Leaf. But you get what you get when it comes to Team Canada and the Maple Leaf. Right? Two, Finland to Sweden.
- [36:13]
Roy Rose
Wow.
- [36:14]
David
I agree.
- [36:14]
Dan Le Batard
I thought it's great. It's clean, but it could be better. Okay. There's room for improvement.
- [36:19]
David
Nothing special.
- [36:20]
Dan Le Batard
Yeah. Finland. The most special of the bunch, I guess. But all around weak jerseys.
- [36:25]
Roy Rose
Wow.
- [36:26]
David
Rose is happy.
- [36:27]
Roy Rose
Okay. Rose is happy because Alexander Balka. But Sweden is classic. I mean, you got the three crowns. They did an accent on the sleeves to make it look like it's not an alcohol bottle. Okay.
- [36:39]
David
Come on.
- [36:39]
Roy Rose
Okay.
- [36:40]
Dan Le Batard
Staros's helmet was awesome.
- [36:43]
David
Hella Buck's helmet. No, Hella Buck had the best helmet, I think. Like that glittery, gold, shiny. I just.
- [36:47]
Dan Le Batard
I loved it with the R. Yeah.
- [36:51]
David
Swayman with the the throwback Rangers.
- [36:53]
Roy Rose
Sarah Sivian, the CIV, reporting 2 million men. Thank you for joining us, Sarah.
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- [38:32]
Roy Rose
All right, everybody, let's go over how the Panthers did in this tournament. I got some stats here, just some counting stats or whatever.
- [38:38]
David
I think the Panthers went undefeated in this tournament. Really? I don't think the Panthers have lost.
- [38:43]
Roy Rose
I'm talking about statistics over here, David. That's. I'm sorry. All right, let's go with the Finland contingent. E2 Lucerine. E to Lucerine with just an assist, he was a minus two. Nico Mikola assist, he was a plus two. Anton Lundell, a goal, he was a zero. And Alexander Barkov. Jesus. I'm getting to it.
- [39:08]
Ethan
Thank you.
- [39:09]
Roy Rose
A golden assist. And a plus one, Finland did not do well. The. The entire team did not do well in the. In this tournament. But how did the Panthers do, guys?
- [39:17]
Sarah Sivian
I thought Barky. I mean, he's Barky. You know, he does what he does, right? He's. He's awesome. I thought Lundell had a really nice tournament. I actually was listening to a podcast and they were talking specifically about Lundell and how he's kind of one of those younger guys that's coming up that kind of got some shine in this tournament that could really take advantage of the stage and did well. Meeksy had a tough tournament. Lucy did what Lucy does. But I really thought Lundell, if you're talking about guys that maybe surprised us a little bit, was one of those guys that had a really good tournament.
- [39:45]
David
No, I think for Finland, what stood out for me. Barkov does his thing. And what Ethan was just saying about Anton Lindell, kind of showing off a little bit more on the international stage, what we see on a more regular basis from him. But I thought Nico Mikola, his usage was really high. They had him in a lot of different situations, a lot of tough assignments. So I thought particularly his effort, while he's not going to get a lot of credit for. For how he played, I thought the effort that he put out there and just what they did with him in terms of the situations, I thought he did really good.
- [40:14]
Sarah Sivian
I should say that I kind of said he didn't have a great tournament. That was a terrible spot for Meeksy after the defensive injuries. He was their number one defenseman, basically. He's not a number one defenseman. He's a good player and he did handle it well. But when you're forced into that spot, you're going to have, you know, a tough time. So.
- [40:32]
David
Beep.
- [40:33]
Ethan
Two minutes.
- [40:35]
David
All right, so we're done.
- [40:37]
Roy Rose
No, we are not done. For Sweden. For Sweden. Gustav Wars Link had zeros across the board offensively. He was basically primary defense on that one. How you think he played similarly to.
- [40:50]
David
Mikola, where they just gobbled up minutes that he was used a lot. You know, he just. Like with the Panthers, right? Ghost Forsling wasn't getting much power play time. I don't think he got any power play time, actually. They definitely used them shorthanded, but both Finland and Sweden just really kind of struggled to get their footing. Like, it's kind of. Ethan alluded to earlier, this really did feel like. Actually, I'm sorry, I think it was Rose that said it earlier. This really just did feel like it was just an America. Canada and everyone else was just secondary.
- [41:14]
Sarah Sivian
Excuse me, don't take my great analysis by Rose.
- [41:16]
Ethan
It's the first analysis, good analysis that I give because I don't know hockey. I just know Barki.
- [41:21]
David
But that analysis, well, you guys kind of shared it. It was, you know, there was a primary assist and a goal on this one.
- [41:27]
Roy Rose
So who had the secondary assist on that?
- [41:29]
Ethan
Just give it to me.
- [41:30]
Roy Rose
Okay.
- [41:31]
Sarah Sivian
Forzy was really good. That's all I got.
- [41:33]
Roy Rose
All right. That's all you got. United States. Matthew Tkachuk, two goals and assist plus three. Unfortunately, his playing time was diminished with the injury. Aside from that, I mean, it's pretty.
- [41:44]
Sarah Sivian
Obvious he was the star of the tournament for me, Roy, like you talk about slaving for NHL fans, raised his game, his status more than anybody. But as a casual observer for. For casual observers for hockey, I'm not sure anybody had more of a star turn than Matthew. Matthew Tkachuk, obviously, he's already a star in this league, but I think casuals now, people that don't really watch hockey are going to know who Matthew Tkachuk is because of what he did on Saturday and how he was kind of the face of the team. I understand he was an assistant captain. He really should have been the captain, if we're being honest. He was the face of the league. David, do you have to. Do you have to board right now? Do you have to leave? Like. Was that last call? Are you boarding?
- [42:24]
David
No, no, Mike, I'm.
- [42:25]
Dan Le Batard
That's.
- [42:25]
David
That's not my flight, though.
- [42:27]
Roy Rose
The white zone is for loading and unloading passengers only.
- [42:31]
David
No, no. If we can wrap this up sometime soon, I'm actually thinking I'm gonna have a minute left.
- [42:34]
Roy Rose
Oh, you want some alcohol? Okay. That's what it is.
- [42:37]
David
Yeah.
- [42:37]
Roy Rose
All right.
- [42:38]
David
I wasn't gonna go there, Roy, but. Yeah.
- [42:39]
Roy Rose
Yeah.
- [42:40]
David
Well, yeah, I do, too.
- [42:41]
Sarah Sivian
Never too early to start drinking there.
- [42:43]
Roy Rose
It's 5 o'clock somewhere.
- [42:44]
Sarah Sivian
It's never too early to start drinking.
- [42:46]
David
No clock in here.
- [42:48]
Sarah Sivian
Yeah.
- [42:48]
Roy Rose
Okay. It's Canada. Sam Reinhart, no goals for assist. He was a plus one. Sam. Ben. A goal and no assist and a minus one. What? What'd you say?
- [42:58]
Ethan
We said bye.
- [42:58]
Roy Rose
We didn't say bye. I'm not done. All right, go.
- [43:03]
David
Oh, my God.
- [43:04]
Dan Le Batard
Please.
- [43:04]
Sarah Sivian
Reinhardt. Tough cup, Tough games. Offensively, really good defensively, though. And then obviously Bennett, you know, huge goal, big moment fighting. Brady Tkachuk, I thought he had an awesome tournament. Got put into the lineup in game two. Never left it. Awesome.
- [43:20]
David
It was A gradual build for Sam bennett. Like he scratch. He played like, I think eight, seven or eight minutes in the first u. S. Canada game. And then John cooper started to realize, oh, yeah, Sam bennett, impactful player. There's a reason on my lightning team. Yeah. So it was nice to see that, that Benny got a little bit more play. But kind of getting back to what you just said before we wrap it up. All right, and your point about.
- [43:43]
Roy Rose
Yeah.
- [43:44]
David
Oh, wait, I'm sorry, am I getting.
- [43:45]
Roy Rose
No, no, no, no, no, no. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
- [43:47]
David
No, just fans like rose that just tuned into the American game. People know who the tachuk brothers are. Hockey fan, sports, like everybody knows who the tachuk brothers are and what that could mean for hockey moving forward. I'm very excited to see. Sorry, Rose, she's gone.
- [44:01]
Roy Rose
All right. The regular season starts back up again for Florida versus the Seattle Kraken at home. The Kraken, four wins in the last 10. In a previous matchup, Panthers went in a shootout 2 to 1 and they outshot and out hit them by a wide, wide margin. But the injuries, that's going to be significant coming into this game. And that's pretty much it. We don't really have to do anything other than that.
- [44:25]
Sarah Sivian
Brighton montour homecoming salute to him.
- [44:27]
Roy Rose
Yes, we're saying goodbye now. Josh Mahura, obviously as well. That's it for this week. That's it for the four nations. We are back to regular season hockey coming up this weekend. Rose, Ethan, Dave, live from the Boston airport, Logan airport. My name is Roy. We'll see you next week. Okay, goodbye. Bye. Bye.
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