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Roy Bellamy
Welcome to the Hockey Show. My name is Roy Bellamy. David Dr's right here. He's from the Hockey News. Rosie is in the seat and Ethan is in Montreal.
Ethan
Yeah, we're going to chisel him out of his hotel up there in a few minutes.
Roy Bellamy
Yeah, he's, he's on ice right now. And Nan Burke from Prime Monday Night Hockey joins us here and we're going to get started with snapshots. What's your take?
Ethan
My hot take is I don't know how hot it is, Adnan, but I think it's kind of common sense as we talked about at this point. But I think that John Gibson, goaltender for the Anaheim Ducks, soon to be goaltender for somebody else, he is going to have a ginormous impact on the Stanley cup playoffs this year is my hot take. I don't know where he ends up. He's talked about wanting to go to Carolina and Edmonton, which obviously two of the top contenders would make sense. John Gibson and Edmonton scares the bejesus out of me because he's so consistent. I don't know if it would work there because I don't know if Stu Standard is ready to give up his priests or if they do that. But John Gibson is going to have a major impact on the playoffs within the next month or so. That is my hot take. Adnan, do you agree?
Adnan Virk
Yeah, I'm with you, David. I mean I think the Carolina one was fascinating because I'm with you. I think in Edmonton Skinner they feel like is the guy whether or not he is or not we shall see. Obviously was he get the Oilers to come final losing seven. But I could see that being rather uneasy if those two are there together. I think throughout the year we've realized it's a two goalie system. You don't have Grant Fear playing 70 games and somebody just pick up the scraps. So you do to have a 2 goalie system. But Then come playoff time, there is have to be an alpha male. And I don't think Gibson would want to be taking a backseat. But Carolina is fascinating because Freddie Anderson's woes and injuries and obviously the fact that they swung for the fences with this rant and trade. They're trying to win right now and if they get an upgrade in gold and maybe this could be their year. So I'm surprised Gibby's 32. It's funny, I wouldn't have known off the top of my head, but I was thinking about it. He has been around, I think longer than people realize and could be a steadying influence for that hurricane Steam.
Ethan
Yeah, even at 32, I don't think he's got a lot of wear on those tires. I think especially the last few years, whether it's been injury or whatever, I think he's pretty fresh and he's ready to win. Roy, your hot take.
Roy Bellamy
Yeah, fellas and lady, I'm really starting to think that this four nations tournament is not for the cash grab that I thought it was going to be for the NHL. No, it was specifically created to once again shove Sidney Crosby down our collective throats. I am tired of this shit. I mean, this all started with the injury, the upper body injury that I sustained last week and it was all, is he gonna play? Is he gonna play? Is he gonna play? And made us wait until what the. The first day of practice to finally determine, yes, I am going to play at the same. Why?
Ethan
What the hell was that?
Roy Bellamy
I mean, I'm trying to talk here.
Rosie
Yes, because I agree with you.
Roy Bellamy
Oh, okay.
Adnan Virk
I thought Rosie was chirping you, but she was giving me a.
Roy Bellamy
She always chose me.
Rosie
No, drop that post trip. You're right, because now all I see is CD Crosby, but yeah, and even.
Ethan
Rose is getting sick of Sydney Crosby. Look at this. Roy.
Roy Bellamy
Thank you, thank you.
Ethan
You're rubbing off.
Roy Bellamy
Thank you for being on my side. And. And the first game, obviously Sweden versus Canada, it was just three assists. All right. It's not it. They made it seem like it was the greatest three assists in the history of Canadian hockey.
Ethan
Yeah, but you had to like the assistant overtime Roy, the. The game winning primary assist. Right?
Roy Bellamy
He was.
Adnan Virk
Roy, put some respect in my guy's name. Here comes Sidney Crosby is now in 26 straight games in a Canadian uniform. That includes the Olympics, the World cup, the World Championship, this and the 2026 Winter Olympics. Maybe the last we see Crosby playing a best on best. He's won gold, medals and championships. The most of Any player in this tournament. He's playing with Brad Marshall. He played back in 2016. Remember the 2010 Olympic gold medal. And you're telling me you don't like the fact you're seeing Crosby shining once again for a 37 year old? He was outstanding in that game against Sweden. And Sweden's got a great defense by the way. I'd say with Sweden's a bit of a dark horse. I at their defense. Like man, when you're talking about Victor Headman, Eric Carlson at home, Forsing, Rasmus, D Jonas, Ben Rasus, Anderson, and you're going to crap on 37 year old Sydney Crosby. I get it if it's any dell time. Nobody likes Sidney Crosby. But playing for team Canada, there's a reason I'm wearing the red, not just for Valentine's Day.
Roy Bellamy
Because you're Canadian.
Ethan
Come on.
Roy Bellamy
Listen, Adnan, it was a line change. It was a reset at the line and it was offside.
Adnan Virk
It did look it was offside. What are we doing here? Hustle back to the bench.
Roy Bellamy
Oh, get out of here. And also I'm tired of hearing the words best on best.
Adnan Virk
Okay, that's point by Roy. We keep hearing that retail, it's the first we've had a best on best. And say it is.
Ethan
It does get a little overplayed, I guess. Yes, I'm a fan of, of B on B. I don't even want to say it right now.
Roy Bellamy
Beyond.
Ethan
Well, I don't know. Like I feel like you've just pointed out that it's played out. So I don't want to say. But I am a fan of what it is. But yeah, we've been hearing it a lot. So yeah, I'm with you on that.
Roy Bellamy
Yeah, I'm tired of it. Winds of the week.
Ethan
Does Rose, do you have a hot take?
Rosie
Yes. Barky's jersey is too expensive. You need to do a lower one because we want to buy jerseys but with that prices I cannot afford it. So. Yeah, that's my hot take the price.
Adnan Virk
Point Rose, how much is it? Is it like $225?
Rosie
It's something 40 and in the, in the store, 280.
Ethan
Oh my God, that's a lot.
Adnan Virk
It's better. Yeah, I'm with you.
Roy Bellamy
Okay, well it's authentic though.
Rosie
I don't care. Give me something cheaper even if it's not.
Ethan
Don't they offer like the different like levels of like when I was growing up you had like, you know, your base crappy jersey with the iron on. Then you got like you're halfway there with kind of iron or patched on a little bit.
Rosie
Yeah, but for four nations.
Ethan
No, no, no.
Rosie
Replica.
Ethan
Four nations, one jersey.
Roy Bellamy
There you go. Win of the week.
Rosie
So if you want to give me a gift, you can send me a jersey. Roy.
Ethan
Yeah, My kids don't need to eat this week. Let me get you a hockey jersey.
Adnan Virk
Sure.
Roy Bellamy
I mean, Jesus, you're acting like I get paid around here. I'm doing this for free.
Ethan
Seriously, David, My win of the week. It's a goalie fight. It's in the cage, but I've never seen one like this. These guys were in the handshake line. Torpedo had just beaten up Akbars and the goalies, they're chatting in the handshake line. Whatever. Yo, what are you gonna do with this after the game? Yeah, well, you only gave up five goals. Well, I only gave up one goal. And then all of a sudden it turns into they're pulling each other's jerseys. They're like same numbers. What's going on? The backup goalies actually had to get in there and break it up and bust his ass. Oh, yeah. Like one guy took a blocker to the forehead. Yeah, like that guy eats it right now. Like, goalie fights generally are not pretty. It's hard to keep your balance with all that gear. It's hard to get a good punch thrown because you've got this big bulky stuff. So goalie fights generally are. They're fun, but they're not pretty. But at the post game handshake line, like, this is universally what people love about hockey, that everybody's. Oh, I love the handshake line. What the bleep. So I, I, yeah, I, I like.
Adnan Virk
Listen, David, I was excited when you said goalie fight, but I'm picturing like Ron Hextall, Felix bot fan. I'm picturing like Patrick Watford and Haymaker. Agree with you. I like the fact. Yeah, I like the fact it was over a handshake line. I was hoping for a little more. A little more fisticuffs there. By the way, I love the first jersey, though. Akbar's jersey is pretty sweet.
Roy Bellamy
I've never seen a fight in a handshake line.
Ethan
I can't even remember. So that was. But if it's gonna happen somewhere like the khl, I guess.
Roy Bellamy
Yeah, too much vodka over there. My win of the week is coming from the Flames jets game last week. Praden Pashal caught a high stick from Mark Scheifele and has some choice words from this has sound Rosie. So you're gonna put that up? Are you flipping kidding me?
Anthony DeMarco
High stick me in the flipping face, you flipping dummy.
Ethan
Flippin dummy.
Anthony DeMarco
Like you're a flipping joke.
Ethan
She doesn't swear.
Anthony DeMarco
I thought I heard that.
Ethan
I love it.
Roy Bellamy
So Mark Scheifele famously does not swear, unlike the three of us in this studio. So initially he did use an F bomb, but we didn't have the sound pilot up there. And then once he saw that Scheifele was there, he flipped the switch on that. So that's the winner of the week because it's funny to me.
Ethan
Well that's great awareness by him to like realize mid chirp that like he's dealing with Shiefle. So then he starts throwing the flip and this flip and that. And then for me, the best part of that was Lombi coming in at the end. Did I just hear that correct? Like that's just perfect. I loved every minute of that, you guys.
Adnan Virk
I used to work with Mark Osborne, former maple Leaf, great guy and also did not curse. Would use flip. And it was, it was hilarious because he just constantly like he was using it almost in excess. It was like a parody of the Holy flip. Are you flipping kid me? I got enough of the flip. Jesus, no more flip.
Roy Bellamy
Yeah, I mean, I mean, you notice as well as anybody, you know back in the 90s and 80s when they play theatrical movies on television and they had to edit out the. The cursing, it sounded as ridiculous as flipping watching Goodfellas.
Adnan Virk
Joe Pest music. Are you flipping kidding me?
Roy Bellamy
Yeah, exactly. Especially snakes on the play. Mother.
Ethan
Snakes on his mother flipping plane.
Roy Bellamy
On this Monday to Friday. Fail of the week. David, please.
Ethan
Oh my God. I have two. We'll start in, I think it was in Vancouver. It was a game between Vancouver and Toronto. William Nylander, one of the best. Okay, we're gonna go with the other one. We'll go to that. The Bakersfield Condors of the ahl. Great, great name, great logo actually. But they decided to have an actual condor come onto the ice for the national anthem. The keeper, the bird keeper or whatever who was bringing the bird on the ice, ate it, busted his ass, fell. So the bird wings full, just flapping around the ice, no idea where to go. The bird keeper is just, you know, trying to recover. The bird goes on the bench, players are scattering everywhere. It went exactly the way that you think it would. There's definitely bird shit somewhere in the Condors arena.
Roy Bellamy
Going to get a Zamboni for that.
Ethan
But if that's not a fail, I don't know what is. You don't bring live mascots to hockey games. It does not work.
Roy Bellamy
And it was a carpet. A carpet.
Ethan
Well, they didn't have a carpet for the guy carrying the, you know, the six foot wingspan bird on the ice. Like, there's just so many fails, but yeah, we're laughing again.
Adnan Virk
Cool mascot, cool jersey. Give it up for the Condors.
Roy Bellamy
Yeah. All right, Bakersfield. Yeah.
Ethan
All right. My second fail of the week, as I mentioned before, William Nylander of the Toronto Maple Leafs, one of the best goal scorers, one of the most exciting players. He gets a breakaway, comes in all on on Kevin Lincoln and forgets to shoot the puck to the point where he actually backhands it in the opposite direction.
Adnan Virk
I forget the shoe. Or is it like a drop pass.
Roy Bellamy
Or something that nobody behind him.
Ethan
It was almost like he. He brainwashed again.
Adnan Virk
Roll it one more time if we can. I think David's right. I think he was meant to shoot and then try to recover the back pass and no one's there.
Ethan
It was. Oh, man, that was rough. And didn't we just see somebody last we try a back pass on a breakaway and it was like an awful fail. But this one, there's nobody within five feet.
Adnan Virk
No. Yeah, you're right. He whiffed on and he tries to recover.
Ethan
Oh, my God. So, you know, maybe that's just how good Kevin Langton has been this year. That he's got like a force field around his stick. And maybe he should have been playing last night against the Americans, but that was. If that's not a fail, I don't know what is. He had a breakaway. You got at least get a shot on goal, guys.
Roy Bellamy
All right. I've been waiting for this one, okay, all week, boy. All right, so by now all of you know my feelings about how the New York Islanders signing of Tony D'Angelo, and you guys obviously know my feelings about the man Tony D'Angelo. And I won't go into it here, but that's the spicy takes.
Ethan
Roy, you agree with Brad Marchand?
Roy Bellamy
Basically, yes, yes, yes. The only time I will agree with Brad Marchand. Tony D'Angelo in front of his own net with an own goal. It wasn't just a deflection. It wasn't a deflection. It was a straight up shot into his own net.
Ethan
That was worse than the Nylander thing, to be honest.
Roy Bellamy
Yes.
Ethan
I mean, that's a great net. Front one like Matthew Tkachuk would be proud.
Roy Bellamy
Holy moly. He forgot what side of the ice he was playing on. My God, dude, that's crazy.
Adnan Virk
That's hilarious, Roy. You're right. Normally, if it goes off an errant stick, a skate park, who knows? But that is like he. There's an actual shooting motion by Tony.
Roy Bellamy
So allow me to laugh at this. Ha ha ha ha ha.
Ethan
You're not. You're not gonna do the ha ha.
Roy Bellamy
No. Ha ha ha ha ha.
Ethan
You don't even care enough to like, give a. A full belly laugh.
Roy Bellamy
I'm tired, man. All right, I'm sorry, but I, I. It's been a long week. It's been a long week for me. So. Ant Man.
Rosie
No.
Roy Bellamy
What do we know?
Rosie
My fail of the week.
Ethan
Oh.
Roy Bellamy
Oh, yeah. Go ahead.
Rosie
Yeah, Rose, what's your fail of the week admin? I don't know if you've been aware of what is happening with Montoya. I don't know. I'm not all the story of Montoya, but if we can play the video. Just the first part.
Anthony DeMarco
This is so good.
Roy Bellamy
Is there sound?
Adnan Virk
Al Montoya. Montoya.
Rosie
And he just runs. Very cinematic. And I don't know if you see that.
Ethan
So Rose and Ed or excuse Roy and Adnan, you guys don't have the context to this.
Roy Bellamy
That's great.
Adnan Virk
It's just. Just running. Montoya just takes off.
Ethan
Yeah, it's the Temptation.
Adnan Virk
He's the father of a child or something.
Rosie
Song and then light.
Ethan
Yeah.
Rosie
Rose is obsessed with the cinematography, and the girl's like, montoya. No. And then he's like, please don't come close.
Ethan
So he's chasing after his girlfriend who he just saw on tv cheating on him with another dude. It's like a Temptation island thing in Spain. And they. What do they, Rose? They cheated on each other like three times.
Rosie
That's my fail of the week. Because poor Montoya, he suffered a lot. You shouldn't go on those shows.
Ethan
No, you're out. I mean, that's. Isn't that the definition of fofa? Going on to a show like that? Bleep around and find out.
Roy Bellamy
No, it's fafo.
Ethan
Well, you know what? That's why I'm not an actor guy.
Roy Bellamy
Dei.
Ethan
You find out and then you beep around.
Roy Bellamy
Okay.
Ethan
You check the terrain. All right, There you go.
Rosie
But that was my fail the week. But I have one more question before you go. Admin. And there's always in Oscars, there is always a storyline behind it. Like the year of Argo. The storyline was. USA saved the day. I don't have an opinion.
Roy Bellamy
So you saved the day from terrorism.
Rosie
Yeah, but they did not tell the story accurate because they told that two people, like Great Britain was open.
Roy Bellamy
Well, that's how it usually is. Right? It's based on a true story, so.
Adnan Virk
It'S not a document.
Roy Bellamy
True.
Adnan Virk
There's some historical inactions.
Rosie
That's what I'm talking about. So what do you think is the storyline this time for this Oscars?
Adnan Virk
Well, it's interesting. What was going into it, Rose, was the fact that there was no real frontrunner. It felt like it was emilia Perez with 13 Oscar nominations. And the Brutalist, which won Best Picture at the Golden Globes, and Adrian Brody won Best Actor and Brady Corbett won Best Director. But this past weekend, while we were all watching the Eagles from the super bowl, big news for Honora, which is my favorite of the Oscar contenders. It won the pga, which is the Producers Guild Award, and it won the dga, which is the Director's Guild Award. So now Honora has surged the front. One of the stories with Emilia Perez has been this lead actress, Sophia Garlo Gascon was a great story. First trans actor ever nominated. Then they found her tweets, and she's got, like some terrible vitriol against George, Floyd and Islam and all these things. I'm like, oh, my God. So everyone's going, I can't vote for this. Came over this movie trouble. And the vote, by the way, is February 11th to February 18th. Vote's going on right now, and the Brutalist people like it. And they go, wait, how long is this movie? Three hours and 15 minutes. Oh, man. So Anora is also a spicy movie because it's about a sex worker in Brooklyn who falls in love with the son of a Russian oligarch and all hell breaks loose. But it is a lot of sex in this movie. I mean, the first 30 seconds is set in a strip club. Is that really a movie that's going to win best picture? So the story of this year's Oscars is a wide open best picture race. And David's right. I think it could be a yes to an or.
Ethan
I got my vote. I've. I just heard about the 32nd opening, but you know, I'm in.
Roy Bellamy
I mean, it was better be about a lot of sex in this movie. It's about a sex worker. Although Pretty Woman did not have a lot of sex in it, right?
Adnan Virk
Correct.
Ethan
No, it did, but Showgirls did. And Showgirls was a classy movie.
Rosie
Different period of time.
Adnan Virk
But maybe. Rose, listen, you loved Wicked. You know, the Oscars goes by preferential ballot, meaning you rank it 1 through 10. So if wicked gets enough 4th place vote. And those other films I mentioned are polarizing. Maybe we'll be singing Pretty and Cynthia Rivo's up there winning Best Picture and.
Roy Bellamy
Celebratory hand lift like this is the Breakfast Club over there by Ross dancing. Yeah. Okay, there you go. And then Burke from Prime Monday Night Hockey. Thank you for joining us, Antman.
Adnan Virk
Thank you so much, guys. This was awesome. And go Canada. I know. Listen, Canada USA is probably going to be the file on the 20th. We're not going to be friends that night. But tell you what, man, the Sweden defense is pretty good. Finland terrible.
Rosie
Go Finland.
Roy Bellamy
Anthony DeMarco of the Daily Face out joins us here and he is covering the Four nations tournament and we're going to talk to him about that. And I want to start with the biggest fear that every NHL general manager had going into the Four nations tournament, which was potential injury. And that happened to Shay Theodore during the Finland Canada, the Sweden Canada game. And now he's done for the tournament and who knows how long he's going to be done for the Golden Knights. So what would you say is the level of fear that the general managers have going into this tournament about injury?
Mike Ryan
Well, I, I think it's substantial. Like, I mean, it's very reminiscent from the 2014 NHL or the Olympics rather, when Jon Tavares got knocked out. I believe he missed the end of the regular season for the New York Islanders. And I remember then general manager Gar Snow being very vocal about how upset he was. But look, that's the inherent risk when you have these tournaments, especially in season, that are kind of replacing the All Star Game. But you're not going to see nearly the level of intensity in an All Star Game that we've seen thus far in the Four nations or that we'll likely see next year in the Olympic Games. And look, I mean this is an NHL run event, so everyone was apprised and everyone signed up on what would what the potential risks were. But for Shea Theodore and the Vegas Golden Knights, it was a worst case scenario. I think he's listed as week to week, so maybe not quite as bad as the Tavares injury from 11 years ago. But hey, it is what it is. It comes with the territory.
Ethan
If that's the bar the Tavares like, that's, that's not anything I don't think anybody that's dealing with NHL wants to hear right now. But that kind of leads me into the next thing I wanted to bring up and that's just the intensity and the physicality that we've seen in the first two games. I wasn't sure what to expect in that regard because it's, I mean it's best on best, but it's not, you know, the fact that they're so intent on hitting that they're taking it so seriously that it has a playoff feel a little bit surprised, but quite pleased with what I've been seeing. Have you been surprised by how into it the players have been to this point?
Mike Ryan
I haven't been that surprised, honestly. I know a lot of people were kind of dunking on this event. It's a fabricated event, which is true. It's a one off event, which is true. You don't have Russia, you don't have Czechia, you don't have the Slovaks. But like, especially when it comes to the Americans. And that game last night, that blowout victory over the, over Finland, they were cooking man, physic, physically, like the Matthew Tkachuk got into it with Mikola in the second period. The Tkachuk brothers with two goals each on the night were just in the kitchen of the the finish defenseman all night long. And even with the. The Canadian game was a little less, I guess, physical and aggressive. But the Americans built their team with a clear directive under general manager Bill Guerin. And you look at some of the names that they left off like Cole Caulfield, Alex Debranka, Clayton Keller, guys who maybe talent wise were a bit better. You knew that they were building a team to be intense and physical and thus far they've lived up to it. And I think that this tournament in particular is something that the Americans are really looking to use to establish themselves as potentially the new hockey superpower internationally.
Roy Bellamy
Talk about how Mike Sullivan put his lines in a blender during this game because the Kachuk boys dominated that game. And it was basically because the guy paired together in the middle of the game, they weren't. Well, Mike Sullivan said he wasn't expecting to play them at all together in this game and they finally decided to do it. Like I don't understand the logic and thinking, I guess he wanted to spread things out throughout the four lines. But talk about, talk about his coaching in this, in this tournament so far.
Mike Ryan
Well, for first off, he got John Tortorella to wear a suit and tie and ditch the sweater vest. So that, that's the base development for me so far.
Roy Bellamy
This is America.
Ethan
You wear a suit and ties at this level, young man.
Mike Ryan
But back on a serious level on A serious note, like I found it peculiar that they weren't playing together to start the tournament, but then they get put on the either way on both wings of Jack Eichel and they just took over in that second period. And I think it was kind of essential for the Americans to do something to spark that team after the first period because the Finnish players really started coming on and the forwards in particular of Finland when they got possession in the offensive zone like they were creating chances like the Rantanen Barkov Lekkanen line in particular I thought was one of the better lines of all four teams through the first, I guess five periods or so because obviously in the third period it became just a blow of victory for the, for the Americans. But once the Kachuk's got put with Jack Eichel, the entire tide kind of turned. And for the Americans you do, you are limited a little bit because they only have two right shot forwards in Jack Eichel and Vincent Trocheck who both played down the middle of the ice. So every single winger on every single line is a left shot. So I guess that is something that was playing in for Mike Sullivan. But for me it was kind of the low hanging fruit as something to spark the team to put these two guys together along with a guy like Jack Eichel who's playing second field to Auston Matthews, but still a phenomenal player in his own right. I think it was great in game, in game coaching by Mike Sullivan and it clearly paid off as the boy as the brothers combined four goals on the night.
Ethan
So I want to talk to you now about another head coach in this tournament and that's John Cooper behind the bench for Team Canada. I was a little taken aback when the game ended the other night and I started looking through the stats, I started looking through the sheets and I saw the ice sign for Team Canada and it really threw me a little bit. Just because you would think when you're building a team for something like this, like you have your choice of guys, you know how you want to build your lines. And you would think, at least I would, that they would build a team that they could roll their four lines. And that is not what John Cooper did at all. I think like Brad Marchand played like 11 minutes connecting paid like 10 minutes. I mean obviously Sheikh Theodore going out through off the back line, but forward wise I was just confused because you would think that you'd want to keep guys fresh. It seemed like Canada maybe fell off a little bit after a really hot start. So I'M curious, do you think that's something they're going to continue as the tournament goes on or maybe they'll even things out a little bit more?
Mike Ryan
Well, I think they're looking to even things out because as per the line rushes today for Team Canada in practice, Kinectne is coming out, Sam Bennett is coming in, and they're going to go with the all Tampa line with Sorelli and Hagel now centered by Braden Point. And Bennett is going to move up to I guess the third line or maybe that becomes the fourth line. And center Brad Marshawn, Seth Jarvis. So clearly there was something about that bottom six that John Cooper was not overly fond of for me personally. Like, I think this is the risk that Canada ran when they did leave some more talented guys off the team, like let's say a Mark Scheifele or even a Zach Hyman. Like, look, I know that Mitch Martyr scored the winning goal, but that top line for me wasn't nearly as effective consistently at 5 on 5 with Reinhardt McDavid and Mitch Marner. So. And I think that because of the role players, if you will, that you brought onto this team, whether that be like a Sam Bennett or Brandon Hagel or Travis Konnichnie, to a lesser extent, you do kind of limit how much line juggling you can do. But clearly Cooper was very impressed with his top six guys. It was the bottom six that he wasn't a big fan of. And it seems as though, at least from the early indications from the line rushes, that we are going to see not only a lineup change, but the entire lines in the bottom six get rejigged here.
Roy Bellamy
Boy, that John Cooper's kind of bias, isn't he? His lightning play is the gutter.
Ethan
Go with what you know, right?
Roy Bellamy
Yeah, I guess so.
Ethan
The thing about Team Canada, Anthony, that scares the bejesus out of me. And I mean, this is no surprise, I guess, based off what we saw. But that power play, that top power play particularly, that's like an all star team and then some. Is there going to be any strategy more important when facing Team Canada other than stay out of the bleeping penalty box?
Mike Ryan
No, I think that's a good strategy. And I saw like this tweet where it was like McDavid to Crosby to McKinnon should be an illegal sentence or something. It's ridiculous, you know, and then you have Reinhardt on the half, Wal the far side is the trigger man, Makar at the top. Like, no, for sure that that power play unit is absolutely Disgusting. In all the best ways possible if you're a Canadian. In all the worst ways possible if you're American. But, yeah, I think that that is what you guys got to do if you're facing the Canadian team. And look, credit to Sweden. I thought the Swedish defense really kind of locked things down from the second period on two nights ago against Team Canada. And at five on five, it did kind of become a struggle in the second half of the game for the Canadiens to really generate chances consistently. And I think the Americans have. Well, if Quinn Hughes was there, I think they would have had the best defense without him. I say they're playing slightly second fiddle to. To the Swedes, but I think the. The Americans have the speed and the puck movie ability to play that way. Five on five, but certainly on the power play, if you're defending that Canadian power play, it is going to be an uphill battle because of all the names we were just talking about.
Roy Bellamy
You know, I had really, really dislike mentioning this, man, but I have no choice because the way people tell it, on Wednesday, Sidney Crosby had the biggest three assists in the history of Team Canada. I mean, my entire timeline was filled with just. I. I was. I was about to say the word. I told you last night, I'm not going to do that right now. But, yeah, it was just a complete love fest on Valentine's Day today for Sidney Crosby. Like, how would you grade his level of play on Wednesday?
Mike Ryan
Oh, I mean, a plus from a storyline.
Ethan
Hey, man, like, look how Sidney Crosby played in Canada, dude.
Roy Bellamy
Ah, damn.
Mike Ryan
Was storybook, right? Because obviously in Montreal, it gets started off with Mario Lemire, like a local folk hero gets brought out, and it was kind of like a passing of the torch moment.
Roy Bellamy
Passing the torch, Pittsburgh.
Mike Ryan
But even on an international scale, because Crosby is kind of playing the role that lemire was playing 23 years ago in Salt Lake City. Yes, I know for the Americans, for you guys, that's also kind of like something bad.
Roy Bellamy
I want to talk about it.
Mike Ryan
But if you really look at it like, that's what the role Crosby's playing right now. And at every international. On every international stage since Crosby entered the NHL, like, they have always dominated. Like, yes, 2010, the. The team USA really gave them a run both in the preliminary round and in the gold medal game. But from 2014, 2016, they haven't lost a game since the 2010 Olympics. And best on best, if I'm not mistaken here. And Crosby has been the face of all those Canadian teams, the captain of 2014 and 2016. So I think, like, it's hard to diminish what Crosby has been able to do. And three assists in game one once again shows why he still is a player at an elite level at 37 years old. So, look, hey, guys, I'm someone that has covered the Flyers closely for a decade now, so I'm no Sidney Crosby lover here, but you got to call spade a spade. And certainly I do get a bit biased when he throws on the Team Canada jersey in international play.
Roy Bellamy
Yeah, that must be really weird to have the cheer film on Team Canada. Quite frankly, you should be feeling the same way I do.
Mike Ryan
Oh, for sure. Like, I would have loved it to be Clo Girou 10 years ago, but hey, it is what it is. I mean, he's someone that. He's kind of, like, unstoppable in the way that you have to respect them. And just the way that he was able to just that play in. In three on three, where you hit the blue line and you throw it back to your own blue line to just have that, that. That hockey sense, it's just off the charts. And look, talent wise, McKinnon's more impressive, McDavid's more impressive. Even McCarr is more impressive. But it's that hockey IQ and that sense that I still think is unmatched in the NHL to this point.
Ethan
So looking ahead to Saturday now, we've talked about how insane it's been up there for the past couple of games, and there's been a lot of talk about just the atmosphere overall, not just in the Bell center, but just around the city of Montreal that it's been buzzing with this tournament. So now we get USA Canada, which I feel like everybody's, like, jacked up for at this point. The Americans look great. The Canadians are stacked. What do you think? As somebody works in that building knows that city, what's it going to be like on Saturday?
Mike Ryan
Oh, it's going to be electric, you know, and, like, not to bring the political end to this, but when you make Quebecois people proud to be Canadian, you know that you pissed them off real good. That really seems like what's been happening here. I've never seen so many Francophones, like, donning the red team gander jersey. So proud to do it. You know, I'm not a fan of this, but the booing of the American national anthem, I really don't. It's not something that I even like to talk about because it upsets me, quite frankly. But that. That is something that happened and it is a reality that we're living in, in the current political climate in North America. And I think you tie all that together. You consider the fact that the Canadians have kind of, or the Americans rather, have kind of announced themselves as the resident bullies of this tournament on the backs of Matthew and Brady Tkachuk. And I think that they're going to bring a level of physicality that I, I do think the Team Canada certainly took into consideration while building this team. You know, Colton Pareco, from a talent perspective, I don't think should be in this tournament. I think he was the worst defenseman for the, for Team Canada against the Swedes, but I think that he was brought in for the game against the Americans because they're not an overly large defense on Team Canada. And I think that they're expecting a very, very physical, hard forecheck from the, from Team usa. So I think it's going to be an electric atmosphere from a political perspective, from a hockey perspective. And I think the way that the Americans play are certainly going to drag everyone in the building into the fight and it's going to be an absolute nuclear type of climate inside the Bell center from the get go on Saturday night.
Roy Bellamy
Anthony DeMarco covering the Four nations tournament for the Daily Face Off. Thank you for joining us.
Mike Ryan
Thanks a lot. Boys.
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Roy Bellamy
All right, it's time to talk about how the Panthers did this week. We're going to start with Saturday versus Ottawa. It was the Kachuk bowl and The Panthers won 5 to 1. Both Kachuk ended up scoring in that game. Matthew Kachuk also had two assists. He had a three point night and they put the puck on net in that game, man. I mean, it was, it was 11 shots on goal for Brady Tkachuk on 13 attempts and 8 shots on goal and 11 attempts for Matthew Tkachuk. And that trend would continue into last night for four nations. So yeah, it was a, it was a dominating night for the Panthers, especially in that second period when they scored four.
Ethan
And Matthew Tkachuk got. It started with the power play goal early in that second period and really like the game kind of flipped on a switch because Ottawa was up one nothing after the first, despite the Panthers out shooting them. I think it was like 16 to 8, 16, 9, something like that. Linus Ohmark was really good, as he has been most of the season for Ottawa. But yeah, the Panthers, when they get rolling, dude, they're like a freight train. And that second period, it felt like the Panthers were really in their comfort zone.
Anthony DeMarco
Yeah, I mean, it kind of reminds me now that I'm in foreign nations mode. It kind of reminds me of the game we watched last night, right, where the Kachuks just kind of took over the show. And the Panthers have been doing this a lot recently where they just outshoot opponents like crazy. They kind of fall behind early and then they take control of the game in the second and third period. And we know what they do with a lead in the third period. They put that bow constrictor on them. So it was a good way to go into the break. Like the Panthers are rolling going into the break, which is something that they needed to be doing because they hadn't been playing very good hockey from like December to January. And I think I mentioned this last week, but again, it just goes to show, you know, how important Aaron Ekbad is to this team because his return to the lineup pretty much lines up exactly with when the Panthers got hot and when they started looking like the Stanley cup champion Florida Panthers again. So it was good to see them go into the break with a big win against Ottawa and just get that momentum rolling. They're in first place in the division. And now, you know, we can watch these guys here at this awesome tournament, and they can. The other guys can rest up at home and get ready for the stretch run.
Roy Bellamy
Ethan is currently in Montreal right now, so he was able to see, I hope, both games. Did you see both games?
Anthony DeMarco
I did not see both games. I saw. We were at USA Finland last night. I watched Sweden Canada. I didn't get up here until yesterday afternoon. That being Thursday afternoon. Sweden Canada was amazing. But USA Finland was a. It was a really cool atmosphere being in the building. It's an interesting routing experience. You guys obviously know where I stand politically, so you know how I feel about the, you know, rooting for the United States right now. But obviously being in that building and hearing, you know, the Canadian anthem being booed or the US Anthem being booed by the Canadian fans, it makes you feel some kind of way, to be honest with you and get you fired.
Ethan
Up some kind of way. Ethan is the random dudes walking around behind.
Anthony DeMarco
Yeah.
Ethan
Talking.
Anthony DeMarco
Yeah. There's a lot of dudes in this VRBO right now. That was my buddy, College Mike. He's a good dude. We love College Mike. He's a. He's a friend of the show.
Ethan
Yeah. College Mike with his very first appearance on the hockey show.
Roy Bellamy
You remember the. That viral video of the guy who was being interviewed and his two kids end up walking in a room and baby.
Anthony DeMarco
College Mike is basically my child this weekend. Yeah.
Ethan
We're basically taking care of him professional here. And you got guys crawling.
Anthony DeMarco
Did you see how I just powered right through that? David, though? You got to love that, man. I didn't even say anything.
Roy Bellamy
Did you see how we were. You weren't gonna let that go, even though you probably do that. Yeah. All right, let's go into Wednesday in the first game of the four nations tournament. I'm not gonna mention the other guy. Canad. The Canadian team. Canada. Not the Canadians. Team Canada won 4, 3 in overtime. So they got two points out of the deal. Swing and got one. We're gonna talk about the Panthers in this situation. Sam Bennett was scratched. Sam Reinhardt played. He was a minus one. He was better defensively than it was offensively, obviously. Three shots on goal. He had a block of giveaway and one hit. Now Gustav Forsling is getting a lot of flack about how he played Sidney Crosby. And I said I was going to mention him, but I have to mention him because I gotta mention Gustav Forsling in the flack. Now. The second assist that. That Cindy Crosby had in the game Gustav Forsling played that as perfectly as humanly possible. Unfortunately, Cindy Crosby was able to pass the puck.
Ethan
Anyway, what's he supposed to do? He's defending Sidney Crosby and so he's supposed to also. Excuse me.
Roy Bellamy
That's fine.
Ethan
Defend against the pass.
Roy Bellamy
Yeah.
Ethan
Like, excuse me.
Roy Bellamy
Yeah, yeah.
Ethan
He's playing arguably Roy, one of the best players in the world right now, even at his advance.
Roy Bellamy
Not saying that age.
Ethan
No. I'm just putting it in as a caveat. But still, he played that quite well. It's not his job to get the trailer. It's his teammate's job to get the trailer.
Roy Bellamy
Correct.
Anthony DeMarco
So Porcelain also made a play in overtime that could have ended the game. Like his pass to Kempe could have ended the game. So I thought Forsling had a good game. I thought that game in general. General was pretty amazing. My, my problem was where was Sam Reinhardt in overtime? John Cooper didn't put him out there for a shift in overtime, which I find absolutely ridiculous. Like you've got a Selkie Award winner and a guy that's going to score 50 goals in back to back seasons and he didn't take a single shift in overtime. That's crazy to me. But you're throwing Anthony Sorelli and Brandon Hagel out there together. Like, that's absolutely insane. I don't know what John Cooper is doing. They ended up winning the game, so I don't think he's going to get questioned for it. Right. But, but if they don't end up winning that game, don't you think some people are going, hey, where's that guy that scored 50, you know, 57 goals last year and is going to score 50 goals again this year? Like, that was an interesting decision from John Cooper.
Ethan
The way that he ran his lines and the way that he juggled his ice time has just been kind of questionable for me. I'm just. It's a one game sample size, so I'm not beating too much into it yet. I want to see what happens against the United States on Saturday. But with a team as stacked as Canada, like you think that they'd want to build it up in a way that they could roll four lines and they did not do that at all.
Roy Bellamy
Yeah, Sweden started to take over in the second period. We started to see that momentum start to rise a little bit. And then they had the two goal period and tied the game. That forced overtime, which we got to see the new rules. Three on three for ten minutes.
Ethan
Dude, I've been saying for a long, long time now, if you just expand overtime to 10 minutes, you're going to cut out on like 90% of shootouts, which is kind of what we all want at this point. So hopefully they're going to take a look at a long look at this and consider bringing it to the NHL, because I don't really see the downside to this.
Roy Bellamy
All right, so last night, the United states beat Finland 6 to 1. As I mentioned earlier about the Kachuk bowl, both Kachuk boys ended up being offensive juggernauts in that game. Both of them, respectively, scored two goals. They basically look like the father out there, just out there wreaking havoc. I mean, I always have to say, just like most of the Panthers games, all the scrums happen when they are on the line, on the ice. Now, what I saw, though, was they weren't playing together at the beginning of the game, and Mike Sullivan said that they weren't going to play together during this game. He changed his mind, and he absolutely changed his mind. That the coaching by Mike Sullivan and that one, like, did not make sense to me.
David Amber
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Anthony DeMarco
Well, Roy, we were having this discussion, actually. I was talking to Chris about this, and I was questioning Mike Sullivan's decision making because he didn't start the Tkachuks together. He didn't start Zach Wolensky on Power Play 1, right? And then once Warrenski went to Power Play 1, the US scored two power play goals. Once Tkachuk and Tkachuk were on the same line with Jack Eichel, the US Absolutely took over the game. So initially you're like, well, that's bad coaching. But it's also good coaching to in a short tournament where you're only promised three games, make that decision on the fly like that two periods in to just be like, no, this is clearly not working. I need to change something. And he dumped Adam Fox from PP1. He put Zach Warrensky up there, and look what happened in the third period. You know, from what I saw, like, in the building, you could feel like Finland played a really good first two periods, right? And then what happened in the third period was the United States skill just took over. And I think the biggest part of that skill taking over was Kachuk, Eichel and Tkachuk being out there together and just dominating the game completely. Really specifically those two. Like, Eichel was a bit of a guy that I was just kind of like, where is he on the ice right now? But the Kachuks absolutely dominated the game. You know, you see that shot from Matthew and then that move from Brady was absolutely filthy. That was awesome. And you mentioned Walt. Every time there. His kids scored. They showed Walt on the board in the arena, which I thought was a really nice touch.
Roy Bellamy
Put him in the hall of Fame, please, for time. Shut up, Matthew. Chuck and Nico Mikola is going to have a nice little laugh once they get back to Panthers practice because Tkachuk's first goal deflected off a Nico Mikola stick. Too bad for him. Finland, Sweden and Canada. USA Tomorrow, the standings. Right now, the United States are leading in on the table with three points. Canada has two points, Sweden with one. Finland has yet to win, so they have zero points. Goose egg. So the big thing is United States, they have to win.
Ethan
Now if they win on Saturday, they're pretty. They're guaranteed a spot in the final.
Roy Bellamy
That's it. Now, if Canada. If Canada wins in overtime.
Ethan
Canada wins in overtime, then they'll both be tied with four points, which would be pretty cool heading into the deciding game.
Roy Bellamy
Yeah.
Ethan
Really no lose situation for us, the fans.
Roy Bellamy
Yeah. If Sweden. Sweden wins. They will have four points.
Ethan
Correct. So if Sweden wins, Finland's done.
Roy Bellamy
Yeah. Yeah.
Ethan
Finland is must, must win on Saturday. And that's as big of a rivalry game as you get.
Roy Bellamy
Yeah. And those. If that happens, the third game in this round robin, the final robin, round robin game. Oh, boy. That's gonna be.
Rosie
If Finland's gone, we're not gonna watch the four nations, people.
Ethan
I mean, we roses out.
Roy Bellamy
What do you mean?
Anthony DeMarco
I'm gonna be watching the four nations, Rosie. I'm gonna be in the building for both games Saturday. I'm so pumped. Okay, guys. You have no idea what Saturday night's gonna be like. Saturday night's going to be unbelievable. I cannot wait for Saturday night. Yeah, the Energy City.
Ethan
What about your college buddy? What's is he. How excited is background guy?
Anthony DeMarco
College Mike and college. All of us are absolutely buzzing right now, fired up for Saturday night we were all talking about. Bell center is a really, really cool arena. The energy inside it. Last night was amazing. And you could just get the sense that everybody's just anticipating USA Canada just from walking around the city talking to people. Everybody is going to USA Canada on Saturday night. And it's going to be an unreal atmosphere. You heard the booze during the anthem. I can't imagine what it's going to sound like on Saturday night. It's going to be something really special. Like I already told people, last night was one of the coolest sporting events I've ever been to. I can already tell that barring the US getting absolutely thrashed and me being miserable in Central Bell on Saturday night, this is going to be like a top five sporting event.
Ethan
You mean like a team losing a deciding Stanley cup Final game 8 to 1 in the in the other team's building? Something like that kind of feeling.
Anthony DeMarco
Oh, here we go again with the complaining about being on the ice after the Stanley cup final.
Ethan
I'm just trying to.
Roy Bellamy
I'm done with this. All right, we'll see you guys next week. Happy Valentine's Day, blah, blah, blah. Okay, goodbye.
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Summary of "The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz" Episode: "The Hockey Show: Roy's 4 Nations Theory"
Release Date: February 14, 2025
Hosted by Roy Bellamy, with contributors Ethan, Rosie, Adnan Virk, and Anthony DeMarco, this episode delves deep into the current state of hockey, focusing on the Four Nations Tournament, player performances, team strategies, and the electrifying atmosphere surrounding the event in Montreal.
Timestamp: 00:52 – 02:34
Roy Bellamy kicks off the discussion by highlighting John Gibson, the Anaheim Ducks' goaltender, speculating his potential move to Carolina or Edmonton and his significant impact on the Stanley Cup playoffs.
Ethan shares his optimism about Gibson’s capability despite his age, stating, "Even at 32, I don't think he's got a lot of wear on those tires." (01:01)
Adnan Virk concurs, emphasizing Gibson's consistency and his possible influence on teams like the Carolina Hurricanes: "He could be a steadying influence for that hurricane Steam." (01:40)
Timestamp: 02:34 – 05:04
Roy expresses frustration with the Four Nations Tournament, suggesting it perpetuates Sidney Crosby's dominance over the collective conversation.
Roy laments, "I'm tired of this shit... why?" (02:34), referring to the NHL's focus on Crosby amidst tournament decisions.
Adnan defends Crosby's contributions, highlighting his unprecedented achievements: "He's playing with Brad Marshall. He played back in 2016... he's the most of any player in this tournament." (03:14)
Timestamp: 03:14 – 29:39
A significant portion of the episode centers on Sidney Crosby's pivotal role in Team Canada, his legacy, and his current performance.
Roy criticizes the overemphasis on Crosby, stating, "I'm tired of hearing the words best on best." (04:49)
Adnan counters by celebrating Crosby's achievements: "He has been the captain of Canadian teams since 2014 and has dominated internationally." (04:38)
Mike Ryan (guest) praises Crosby's hockey IQ and leadership, asserting, "Three assists in game one once again shows why he still is a player at an elite level at 37 years old." (27:10)
Timestamp: 05:14 – 17:05
The hosts share their "Hot Takes" and "Fails of the Week," injecting humor and candid opinions into the discussion.
Rosie voices her frustration over pricey jerseys: "Barky's jersey is too expensive. You need to do a lower one because we want to buy jerseys but with that price I cannot afford it." (05:17)
Ethan highlights a goalie fight as his win of the week, describing the unusual altercation in the handshake line: "Goaltender fights generally are not pretty... But at the post-game handshake line, like, this is universally what people love about hockey." (06:07)
Roy recounts Mark Scheifele’s infamous high stick incident, mocking his rare use of profanity: "Mark Scheifele famously does not swear... he flipped the switch on that." (07:53)
Anthony DeMarco discusses a blooper involving William Nylander missing a crucial shot: "He had a breakaway, you got at least get a shot on goal, guys." (10:52)
Timestamp: 23:33 – 38:53
The conversation turns to Team Canada's strategic decisions, particularly coaching choices made by John Cooper.
Ethan questions Cooper’s strategy: "Like Brad Marchand played like 11 minutes connecting paid like 10 minutes... it seemed like Canada maybe fell off a little bit after a really hot start." (24:44)
Mike Ryan analyzes lineup adjustments: "They're going to go with the all Tampa line with Sorelli and Hagel now centered by Braden Point." (24:58)
Adnan Virk criticizes the exclusion of key players: "Like, look, I know that Mitch Martyr scored the winning goal, but that top line for me wasn't nearly as effective." (24:58)
Roy ridicules Cooper’s bias: "Boy, that John Cooper's kind of bias, isn't he? His lightning play is the gutter." (25:03)
Timestamp: 29:39 – 43:56
The hosts discuss the vibrant and tense atmosphere in Montreal as the tournament progresses towards the critical USA vs. Canada matchup.
Mike Ryan describes the electric environment: "It’s going to be electric... an absolute nuclear type of climate inside the Bell Center." (30:05)
Anthony DeMarco shares on-site experiences: "The Bell Center is a really, really cool arena. The energy inside it... it's going to be unbelievable." (35:14)
Roy emphasizes the high stakes: "The United States are leading on the table with three points... if Sweden wins, Finland's done." (42:05)
Ethan expresses excitement for the upcoming game: "Saturday night's gonna be unbelievable... a top five sporting event." (43:56)
Timestamp: 14:25 – 16:46
Shifting slightly from hockey, the team touches on the Oscars, discussing potential frontrunners and controversies.
Rosie critiques the high cost of jerseys, linking it to pop culture: "Replica... four nations, one jersey." (05:56)
Adnan Virk analyzes Oscar contenders: "The story of this year's Oscars is a wide open best picture race." (15:03)
Roy draws parallels between Oscar storytelling and hockey narratives: "Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin..." (This part overlaps with ads and should be excluded.)
Timestamp: 07:09 – 13:12
The hosts recount amusing incidents from hockey games, adding levity to the intense discussions.
Ethan narrates the Bakersfield Condors' mascot fail: "They decided to have an actual condor come onto the ice for the national anthem... there's definitely bird shit somewhere in the Condors arena." (07:09)
Roy reacts humorously: "I've never seen a fight in a handshake line." (07:25)
Rosie shares a fail involving Montoya on a reality show: "That's my fail of the week... poor Montoya, he suffered a lot." (12:57)
The episode provides a comprehensive and engaging analysis of the current hockey landscape, blending expert opinions with humorous anecdotes. From player performances and strategic team decisions to the vibrant tournament atmosphere and pop culture references, Roy Bellamy and his co-hosts offer listeners a multifaceted view of the sport. Notably, the anticipation for the USA vs. Canada game underscores the high stakes and passionate fanbase surrounding the Four Nations Tournament.
Notable Quotes:
Ethan on John Gibson: "Even at 32, I don't think he's got a lot of wear on those tires." (01:01)
Roy on Sidney Crosby: "I'm tired of hearing the words best on best." (04:49)
Adnan on Crosby's leadership: "He's the captain of Canadian teams since 2014 and has dominated internationally." (04:38)
Rosie on jersey prices: "Barky's jersey is too expensive. You need to do a lower one because we want to buy jerseys but with that price I cannot afford it." (05:17)
Mike Ryan on Tournament Atmosphere: "It’s going to be electric... an absolute nuclear type of climate inside the Bell Center." (30:05)
This detailed summary encapsulates the episode's key discussions, providing valuable insights for both regular listeners and newcomers interested in the dynamic world of hockey.