The Hockey Show: The Life of a Rose Arias

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Episode: The Hockey Show: The Life of a Rose Arias
Release Date: August 15, 2025

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Hosts: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami
Description: Hosts Dan Le Batard and Stugotz, along with their team, delve into sports, pop culture, and local South Florida happenings. This episode centers on hockey, featuring in-depth analysis, guest insights, and engaging banter.

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1. Introduction and Guest Update

The episode kicks off with light-hearted banter among the hosts about returning to work and seeking vacations.

• Roy Bellamy ([01:18]): "Feeling more fulfilled now that you're back to work?"
• Unknown Speaker ([01:22]): "No, I need a vacation."

David Dwark’s Vacation Update: Roy introduces guest David Dwark, a national NHL writer for The Athletic, who is currently on a family vacation in South New Jersey.

• David Dwark ([02:24]): "I am in South New Jersey where my wife grew up... heading up to the summer camp where we met all the way back in 2002."

Camp Stories: The conversation shifts to nostalgic camp memories, highlighting the long-standing friendship between David and Roy.

• David Dwark ([04:01]): "It's been 25 years since we met at camp. I actually got really bad with the frosting. So I was playing hockey back then."

2. EA Sports NHL 26 Announcement

The hosts discuss the latest update from EA Sports regarding their popular NHL video game franchise.

• Roy Bellamy ([06:53]): "The sports division over at Electronic Arts announced that Matthew Tkachuk would be the COVID athlete of EA Sports NHL 26."

Deluxe Edition Features: They highlight the inclusion of player versions like Matthew Brady and Keith Tkachuk, emphasizing the attention to detail in player likenesses.

• Ethan ([07:22]): "The video game versions kind of of the players. So like it's a very young, young version of Keith Tkachuk and he looks awesome."

Model Improvements: David expresses hope for improvements in the EA Sports NHL series, particularly regarding the "Be a Pro" mode.

• David Dwark ([07:48]): "I'm hoping that it is much better. They seem to be revamping the Be a Pro mode. So yeah, I'm really hoping that this is going to be a good game this year."

3. Win of the Week: David Booth and the Australian Hockey League

David Booth's Performance: The hosts celebrate David Booth, a former Florida Panther, excelling in the Australian Ice Hockey League with impressive stats.

• Unknown Speaker ([09:25]): "David Booth is tearing that league up right now. He's played only 11 games, and yet he still has 25 goals and another 25 assists."

Playoff Success: They discuss Booth's standout performance in a match against the Brisbane Lightning, highlighting his enduring talent.

• David Dwark ([10:09]): "David Booth is almost my age. He is still tearing it up in hockey."

4. Fail of the Week

Promotional Video Mishap: The team reviews a promotional video featuring the Seattle Kraken’s mascot, Buoy, encountering a bear during a fishing trip.

• Roy Bellamy ([16:05]): "Buoy and some others went fly fishing... when a brown bear showed up."
• Unknown Speaker ([17:01]): "It was a close call... what the hell?"

Humorous Segment: They joke about athlete antics, including a clip of young players engaging in a tussle on the ice.

• Ethan ([17:20]): "Having a little tussle on the ice here. Got to love these kids just going at it."

5. Expert Analysis with Donald Lucision

Introduction to Donald Lucision: Roy introduces Donald Lucision, a national NHL writer, who discusses the efficiency of NHL franchises in roster building and financial management.

• Roy Bellamy ([21:46]): "Don Buschen is on the show... he wrote about how the 32 NHL franchises are efficient in their roster building and using their money."

Top and Bottom Five Teams:

• Top Five:

  • Tampa Bay Lightning – A+
  • Carolina Hurricanes – A+
  • Colorado Avalanche – A+
  • Florida Panthers – A
  • Ottawa Senators – A

• Bottom Five:

  • Anaheim Ducks – C
  • New York Islanders – C
  • Nashville Predators – D+
  • Chicago Blackhawks – D+
  • Seattle Kraken – D+

Don Dwark’s Analysis:

• Don Dwark ([22:51]): "I rate every player and convert their performance into market value... Islanders rank 29th because they have some good contracts and fewer horrible ones compared to Seattle or Nashville."

Discussion on Contracts:

• Don Dwark ([23:56]): "With contracts like Sam Bennett's, who performs exceptionally in the playoffs, the model might undervalue him because it primarily considers regular-season data."
• Ethan ([26:55]): "Hockey is hard to quantify. How do you bridge the gap between analytics and what you observe?"

Model Enhancements: Don explains efforts to refine the model by incorporating quality competition and adjusting for playoff performances.

• Don Dwark ([27:46]): "I try to bridge the gap by accounting for quality competition and improving the model to better reflect player performance under varying conditions."

6. Team Improvement Insights

San Jose Sharks and Anaheim Ducks:

• Don Dwark ([33:01]): "Anaheim got a new coach, Joel Quenneville, who can extract more from the roster. San Jose also made significant offseason acquisitions like Skinner and Gaudette."

Carolina Hurricanes:

• Don Dwark ([35:46]): "Carolina is extremely young and has made smart moves like acquiring Nick Ehlers, enhancing their depth and offensive capabilities."
• Ethan ([37:29]): "Is the model too favorable towards Carolina given their playoff performances against strong teams like Florida?"
• Don Dwark ([37:05]): "While Carolina shows great potential, their playoff performances indicate inconsistencies that the model doesn't fully capture yet."

Philadelphia Flyers’ Salary Cap Issues:

• Don Dwark ([38:50]): "The Flyers are top of the salary cap but almost haven’t invested in their goaltending, which explains their high cap usage without corresponding performance."

7. Closing Remarks and Final Discussions

Recognition of Bill Zito: The hosts humorously lament why Bill Zito hasn’t won the Jim Gregory award despite his contributions.

• Roy Bellamy ([39:58]): "Why hasn't Bill Zito won the Jim Gregory award?"
• Don Dwark ([40:09]): "I don't know how he does it. It’s unfathomable he hasn't won yet."

Final Banter:

• Ethan ([41:34]): "If he wins this year, it'll be like Leonardo DiCaprio winning for The Revenant—like a career lifetime achievement award."

Upcoming Events: Discussion about upcoming hockey events and the Florida Panthers' ongoing success.

• Roy Bellamy ([42:44]): "The cup is having a great time in Europe... they're not done and they don't seem to be done."

Closing Video Clip: Rosie shares a humorous video of the San Jose Sharks’ mascot being humorously attacked by a soccer ball.

• Rosie ([43:34]): "Let me close this with an amazing video."

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Notable Quotes

• David Dwark ([02:24]): "We haven't been to camp in a while... it's been a minute. So we're pretty pumped to go."
• Roy Bellamy ([06:53]): "Mackenzie Blackwood is a great stretch."
• Don Dwark ([22:51]): "The Islanders rank 29th because they have some good contracts and fewer horrible ones compared to Seattle or Nashville."
• Ethan ([37:29]): "Is the model too favorable towards Carolina given their playoff performances against strong teams like Florida?"
• Don Dwark ([40:09]): "It's unfathomable that he hasn't won because he is the gold standard."

Key Insights and Conclusions

• Hockey Performance Metrics: Quantifying player performance remains challenging due to the sport's dynamic nature. Models are continually being refined to better align analytics with real-world observations.

• Team Efficiency: Top-performing NHL teams like Tampa Bay, Carolina, and Colorado showcase efficient roster management and financial strategies, setting benchmarks for the league.

• Contract Valuations: The valuation of player contracts, especially those with significant playoff impact, requires a nuanced approach that balances regular-season performance with postseason contributions.

• Emerging Teams: Teams such as Anaheim Ducks and Carolina Hurricanes are poised for significant improvements due to strategic offseason moves and coaching changes, highlighting the importance of leadership and player development.

• Awards and Recognition: There is ongoing discussion about deserving figures like Bill Zito who haven't yet received accolades commensurate with their contributions, suggesting a potential oversight in award recognitions.

• Fan Engagement: The episode underscores the importance of engaging content, humorous segments, and guest insights in maintaining listener interest and providing comprehensive sports analysis.

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Transcript

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[Roy Bellamy]

Feeling more fulfilled now that you're back to work?

[Unknown Speaker 1]

No, I need a vacation.

[Roy Bellamy]

See the movie that critics are saying is an awesome.

[Ethan]

Look at that crowd pleasing fist pumping.

[Roy Bellamy]

All out brawl of a film. You're right about. They're coming after our family. Go fix this. Oh my. Nobody 2 rated R. Only in theaters now.

[David Dwark]

I have never seen a more demoralizing playoff team where you think you have them and then suddenly they score three goals and you're like, we do not have them.

[Roy Bellamy]

Welcome to the Hockey Show. My name is Roy Bellamy. Rosie is in the shipping container and Ethan is in the studio with.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Who let that happen?

[Roy Bellamy]

You know who would let that happen? David Dwark. Who? Of the the Hockey News. He is currently on assignment. And by assignment, I mean he is. His wife made him take the family on vacation.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

The only assignment that matters.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yes. David, where are you? What's going on?

[Unknown Speaker 2]

I am in South New Jersey where my wife grew up. We were visiting her her home right now. But we're about to head up to the summer camp where we met all the way back in 2002.

[Ethan]

You guys met at summer camp?

[Roy Bellamy]

We.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

We did. That's a long time ago. We were teenagers. We haven't been there in a while. She went there for, like, her whole life. I only went there for like three summers working as a counselor. But now we're going back with our kids for the first time. And like, I haven't been there since 2010. She hasn't been there, I think since like 2015 or something. So it's been. It's been a minute. So we're pretty pumped to go.

[Ethan]

What's the camp called?

[Unknown Speaker 2]

B' Nai Brith Pearlman Camp.

[Ethan]

Where is this? It's in Sin, Pennsylvania.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

It's in Starlight, Pennsylvania.

[Ethan]

It's in StarLight, Pennsylvania. I went to camp is. It's in Wayne County.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Oh, God.

[Ethan]

Oh, my God. This is great Jewish geography.

[Roy Bellamy]

Jewish geography.

[Ethan]

Oh, yeah, this is great Jewish geography. Classic. Wayne County.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Camp Starlight.

[Ethan]

No, I went to aquatic.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Okay.

[Ethan]

Should we bore them all with camp stories, David?

[Unknown Speaker 2]

No, dude.

[Roy Bellamy]

I'd like people to watch 15 minutes on time for that.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

You're familiar with Alice's, I'm guessing, right?

[Ethan]

Cow palace? Yes, and Jared San Jose in it. Those were the places that they would.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Take Hancock, New York.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah.

[Ethan]

The red. The red.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Oh, what's the red awning over the movie theater?

[Ethan]

No, what's the bar right there when you get into Hancock?

[Unknown Speaker 2]

The two story bar.

[Ethan]

Yeah, it's called the red something. That was always how I knew I was like 10 minutes away from camp.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

What was the. The MLB All Star game that ended in a tie? I watched that game from that bar. The game must have been 2010 or 20 2007. It must have been 2007.

[Ethan]

Crazy.

[Roy Bellamy]

Don't you have pictures to show us or something?

[Ethan]

Oh, he's got a.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Well, I gave you a picture of like my wife and I from the day that we started dating, from July 14, 2002, which is like 25 years ago or whatever it is now. My math is terrible, but, you know, that's all on. My wife and I have been together. That's when we were at camp. So if you have the picture you want to show it, it's very, very period in terms of I have the frosted tips rocking and all that good stuff. Because it was 2002. I actually got really bad with the frosting. So I was playing hockey back then. I was living up north, so I started just bleaching my hair just to do something Fun. At one point, I kind of looked like Slim Shady from, like, that 2002 era. It wasn't pretty. It wasn't pretty.

[Roy Bellamy]

Wow. Well, a lot has changed. It's 2002, the first time you met your wife. Wow. So, what, 23 years, huh, man?

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, my math is terrible, but, yeah, it's.

[Ethan]

Now, let me ask you something, David. In this picture, it looks like you have something hanging from your ear. Do you still have, like. Is your ear still pierced?

[Roy Bellamy]

No, the.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

The holes have closed up. Like, you can see, like, the little dimples from the earrings. But I think I maxed out at five. At one point, I had, like, two on the bottom of each, and then I had the cartilage at one point. It's what we did.

[Ethan]

How handsome.

[Roy Bellamy]

What we did.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

People did back at that time. I don't know. It's common.

[Ethan]

How handsome is Jworky?

[Rosie]

Yeah, you were.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Were. Thank you.

[Roy Bellamy]

That's. That's. He's a professional now. Jesus Christ.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

That. That's. That's how we rolled back then. That's when I was. When I was a hockey player trying to do my thing.

[Ethan]

Is that an MJ Bulls jersey?

[Unknown Speaker 2]

No, that's a Dennis Rodman Bulls jersey.

[Ethan]

Even. Cool. That might be even cooler.

[Roy Bellamy]

Rosie, you have a video. Is this going to make me upset?

[Rosie]

So I have a video. It might make me upset. But, David, you're the only one that can tell us if this is right or it's not right. Because when I saw it, I started laughing. I'm like, I'm going to ask David because he's the only one that has played hockey and two is a goalie. So hit it, boys.

[David Dwark]

Left, right, left. What comes after left again?

[Roy Bellamy]

Oh, boy.

[David Dwark]

My favorite part of the game.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Cuddles.

[Rosie]

Yeah.

[Ethan]

Did they make Mackenzie Blackwood British?

[Roy Bellamy]

So, yeah, Mackenzie Blackward is a great stretch. What's going lateral movements, left to right.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Honestly, Rose, I'm amazed at the accuracy of this right. That's almost like that's what goes through my head every pregame. I'm literally going left skate, right skate, left state, hop over the line, left skate, right skate. So, yeah, it's. I'm just like water. Put the pucks over there. But it's not coming over here. Now that guy has it again. But you better get off the, like. Yeah. What goes on in my head, it's. It's very childish.

[Rosie]

I'm very accurate.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, that's mentality right there. All right, so we were off last week and we didn't get to talk about this news that came out. The sports division over at Electronic Arts announced that Matthew Tkachuk would be the COVID athlete of EA Sports NHL 26. All right, now on the deluxe edition, they have Matthew Brady and Keith and they get. They got Keith Tkachuk, by the way, in a blues jersey and they got him like playing weight.

[Ethan]

The thing I like right, is that it's the video game versions kind of of the players. So like it's a very young, young version of Keith Tkachuk and he looks awesome. I love that they did this. This is such a cool touch.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yes, that's nice. There's a good looking big Walt right there. So. Yeah, that's, that's great.

[Rosie]

Dad and son, they look alike.

[Ethan]

Brady and Keith look so much alike.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Solid analyzation Rose.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Father and son look alike.

[Roy Bellamy]

It's the first Panther on the COVID of a video game since John van Beesworth on NHL 97. Now I've had my complaints about the EA Sports NHL franchise. I mean, it's been bad for the past 10 years. I'm hoping that it is much better. They seem to be revamping the be a pro mode. So yeah, I'm really hoping that this is going to be a good game this year.

[Rosie]

It has something to do with my fail of the week.

[Ethan]

That's always my favorite. I always like to be a pro mode. Like people always kind of play it for like Ultimate Team or Dynasty, but I always like to be a pro because it's just, it's fun. You feel like you're.

[Roy Bellamy]

I mean, we create a player.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

I mean it's just so much work. Like I just like to log on. I like to be my favorite team and I like to make them beat everybody and win the Stanley Cup. That's why I play Madden. It's the only way to make the Dolphins anyway.

[Ethan]

That's a good point.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. Type of guy.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Yeah. No, for sure. I want to start my team. I want to play, I want it to be accurate to like the current NHL team. And I want to make them do like the best possible stuff that, you know, it's like fantasyland for me.

[Ethan]

I think I got a vetchkin on the Panthers back in the day.

[Roy Bellamy]

Well, he technically was almost.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

The draft was not.

[Ethan]

That is one of the sneakiest things any team has ever tried to do. And I absolutely love that the Panthers.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Can you imagine if that had become the norm though? And like every draft year you had people calculating leap years for guys and trying to like sneak one in There, like that would have been crazy precedent to set.

[Ethan]

It's very, very smart.

[Roy Bellamy]

It's why Rick Dudley's name is on the cup Wins and fails of the week is presented by Jagermeister Servicot. Don't serve it at all, Jagermeister. Damn, that's cold. For more visit jagermeister.com Drink responsibly, David. From currently in New Jersey, Please give us your win.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

My win of the week from Mount Laurel, New Jersey goes all the way over to Australia.

[Ethan]

Oh, my God.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

The Australian Ice Hockey League. Former Florida Panther David Booth is tearing that league up right now. He's. They're about halfway done with their season. He's played only 11 games, and yet he still has 25 goals and another 25 assists in 11 games for the Melbourne Ice. And I think you just played the replay of this ridiculous masterpiece spinning goal he scored against the Brisbane Lightning. Another great name in the Australian Ice Hockey League. David Booth will be 41. Oh, is it Brisbane? Not Brisbane? Well, that's. That's my. That's my Miami accent.

[Ethan]

There's an Olympics there in, like, 2032.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Nice. Well, I hope ice hockey wouldn't be summer Olympics. It would be. There would be summer, not winter. But anyway, David Booth is, like, almost my age. He is still tearing it up in hockey. We just saw him. Wasn't he. Wasn't he at that alumni game when the All Star game was here?

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ethan]

Now, can I ask you something, David? Sorry. I don't know a lot, admittedly, about the Australian Hockey League, but I saw the score in that game was like 8, 7. Are the rules different, or do they just not give a about defense over there? Excuse my language.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

The rules are not different from what I. From the games that I watch. I mean, the rules look pretty similar. I think it's just more, for lack of a better term, Australia. It's more beer league for pro league than what we see over here, which, look, it looked like a lot of fun. The fans were having fun. You couldn't hear the announcers on that clip that we played, but even they were, like, going crazy for it. So it just sounded like everybody's having a great time over there, especially David. Do it.

[Roy Bellamy]

I got a great win this week. This is coming out of pwh, the Professional Women's Hockey League. Tim Hortons and Barbie have released a hockey player. Bobby Do.

[Rosie]

Let's buy one for the hockey show.

[Roy Bellamy]

Let's buy one.

[Rosie]

Yeah, but also for the hockey show.

[Ethan]

Princess Claire needs the goalie.

[Roy Bellamy]

Well, that's Going to be difficult because it's currently sold out in Canada. Every $5 from each sale will go to the Grindstone foundation, who will help girls who face financial barriers to play hockey. There's also some limited edition dolls of Sarah Nurse. That's. That's. That's My Girl. And Marie. Philip Pullen or what? They were available. I say they were available because I just said they are currently out of stock. They have sold.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

They be coming back into stock. Like, can we get them?

[David Dwark]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

That's really cool, though.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, that's very.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

What took so long, though? Why. Why are we just now, in 2025, getting our first hockey Barbie? Because there's like, a Barbie for everything. There's like, you know, ventriloquist Barbie, Mime Barbie. Why are we just now getting hockey Barbie?

[Roy Bellamy]

I don't really think that they've ventured into sports all that much, so that. That would probably be one of the places.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

I'm sure there's a cheerleader Barbie.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah.

[Rosie]

Two years ago.

[Roy Bellamy]

So that's what it is. Caitlin Clark Barbie.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Rosie. We need the Barbie version. We need Rosie instead of Barbie. That's what I need.

[Ethan]

That's a good idea.

[Rosie]

Oh, man. Everybody will buy it.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

The Rosie line.

[Roy Bellamy]

Ethan, you win.

[Ethan]

My win of the week, guys. Not normally somebody I would hand out a win to, but, I mean, this is one of the great moments in his life. I mean, he finally got a ring. Leon Dry Seidel got hitched this summer. Congratulations to him. It's the first ring that he has.

[Roy Bellamy]

You got it right.

[Ethan]

Hopefully it'll be the last because it seems like the Panthers.

[Roy Bellamy]

Hopefully he doesn't get a divorce, but.

[Ethan]

No, I'm talking about him. I don't want him to get it. Stay in the cup ring because I want the Panthers to keep winning the stay in the cup. Anyway, this picture of Leon Draisaittle rules so hard. It's his wedding. He's taking off his dress shoes and putting on his slides that he'd been wearing around all weekend.

[Roy Bellamy]

Smoking a cigarette and a dart. Yeah. That's the least surprising thing I've ever seen.

[Ethan]

That's exactly how your night should end at your wedding.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. With a cigarette. Getting lung cancer. Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Rosie would have kicked my ass if I smoked a cigarette.

[Ethan]

You know what? It's your wedding night, man.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Yes. And I'd like to enjoy my wedding night, if you know what I mean.

[Ethan]

Let loose a little.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. Rosie.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Piss off my wife on day one.

[Rosie]

Okay? So don't cut me off.

[Roy Bellamy]

Okay.

[Rosie]

My win of the week goes To.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

It's a great intro.

[Rosie]

I'm telling you.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

This girl knows you're controlling the mics.

[Rosie]

Yeah, I know. This girl knows what she's doing. She's very intelligent. And this clip is gonna just sums it all up because I think we have to talk about her. And she just announced her new album. So let's go.

[Roy Bellamy]

As we all know, you know, you.

[Mike Ryan]

Guys have a lot of male sports.

[Roy Bellamy]

Fans that listen to your podcast, and.

[Mike Ryan]

I think we all know that if.

[Roy Bellamy]

There'S one thing that male sports fans want to see in their spaces and on their screens, it's more of me.

[Rosie]

That sarcasm there is just epic.

[Roy Bellamy]

She knows.

[Rosie]

She's like, nobody wants.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

I really like her talking voice. Like, I know she's, like, known for singing her, but I really like her talking voice. Nice.

[Rosie]

She's so calculated that. That's why she's a billionaire.

[Roy Bellamy]

So she's a good joke she had at the end.

[Ethan]

It's true. The last thing I want to see more of when watching sports is Taylor Swift. I've seen enough of it.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Well, that was pretty good, though, when she was on with the Kelsey, bro. I mean, I've seen a lot of that over the last couple of days, and it's actually entertaining for somebody that's not. You know, I. I've got Taylor Swift songs on my phone. My kids love them. I'm not like a Swifty, but I. I did enjoy the.

[Rosie]

Look what you made me do.

[Ethan]

What's your favorite Taylor Swift song, David?

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Oh, God, I don't know. I. I don't know if I have a favorite I like. I could name like you belong with me.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, that's the one I like. I don't want to hear your favorite song. Taylor Swift. I'm moving on the fails. David, what's your fail of the week?

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Naming Taylor Swift songs. No.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

My fail of the week came on Wednesday over at the Helenka Gretzky cup, which this year is taking place in Chechnya and Slovakia. There was a really cool moment between a US Player, a referee, and a German goaltender. So if we can put the audio up for this. The US Players shot it on the goalie after the whistle.

[Roy Bellamy]

They sort this out. Hey, six. Six. Go to the goalkeeper. Go to the goalkeeper. Go to the goalkeeper. It was after the whistle.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

The referee is yelling at the US Player. You go to go apologize.

[Roy Bellamy]

Okay? You go to the goalkeeper. It's not for me. Go. Go to the goalkeeper.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Go to the goalkeeper. I don't want to give a penalty.

[Ethan]

Apologize.

[Rosie]

Go to the Goalkeeper, now. That's gonna be our.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

And the goal is like, dude, you.

[Roy Bellamy]

Go apologize right now, or I'm giving you a penalty.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

So that's definitely a major fail. I love that the referee is, like, getting the back of the goalie. You don't shoot it after the whistle. Everybody knows that's a no, no. But the apology instant, you know, I kind of like it.

[Roy Bellamy]

All right, my fellow of the week is a promotional video shoot, and this one went a little bit too far.

[Ethan]

This is crazy.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. Bowie, as you know, is the Seattle Kraken mascot. And Buoy and some others went fly fishing at Katmai national park in the Pacific Northwest when a brown bear showed up. Please play the video now. While we were fishing, we had a pretty close call with a couple bear. Oh, I gotta break you off.

[David Dwark]

Okay.

[Roy Bellamy]

Hey, Sam, we got a bear. We gotta move down.

[Rosie]

Oh, my God.

[Ethan]

Look at that thing.

[Roy Bellamy]

It's a big bear.

[Ethan]

It's so cute.

[Rosie]

And we didn't even run. Like, I was like.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

The guy's like, who hired the bear?

[Ethan]

Ron McGill. Told you don't run low and slow, right?

[Roy Bellamy]

Low and slow and slow.

[Rosie]

I would have ran there.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

I'm gonna scare him away with my head.

[Roy Bellamy]

Oh, it doesn't like Buoy. The bear charged boot.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Yeah. When the bear starts galloping, that's where my whole look.

[Roy Bellamy]

So we got out of it okay. But it was.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

It was a close call. Like, the bear's galloping at them and nobody's moving. Like, they're just, like, strolling. What the hell?

[Ethan]

I was listening to what chaos yesterday, and they were doing a whole segment shout out to. What chaos, by the way, I love those guys. What would they have done if Buoy. If something had happened to Buoy?

[Roy Bellamy]

Hey, bear.

[Ethan]

Hey, bear.

[Roy Bellamy]

Ethan, you fail.

[Ethan]

My fellow week comes from. So I don't know exactly where this comes from, but this is Patty Kane's kid, Patty Kane iii, and Alex debrinck's kid, Archie debrinkit, going at it with each other. Having. Having a little tussle on the ice here. You got to love these kids just going at it. Not the greatest fighting strategy, I would say. None of them stayed on their feet. Just kind of rolling around on the ice. But you gotta love it, Rosie.

[Rosie]

Okay, my fellow, I just want to put the picture there, because EA Sports did a simulation, and we can laugh about it. Yeah, that was my fail of the week. How about that?

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, they. They were definitely wrong. For those on dkn, we have Donald Lucision from the Athletic coming Up next as our guest you can find us on YouTube, Levitard and friends. You can click on the Playlist tab and click on our folder to see Donald Decision, which is coming up next. You start off thinking your little day to day purchases don't mean much. A coffee here, takeout there. No big deal. Until one day your credit score is out here looking like a struggling batting average. The Mendoza Line. That's why something like Chime makes sense. If you're trying to get your credit together without dropping through hoops, head to chime.com dan with the Chime Credit Builder Secured Visa credit card, folks can build credit using money they already have. No credit check, no annual fees, no interest. Just regular spending and on time payments. Simple as that. And it's not just a card. You also get credit tracking tools, personalized tips, and automatic credit reporting to help you stay on top of it without overthinking everything. If I had something like this earlier, let's just say things might have looked a little cleaner on paper. Make everyday purchases count with Chime's secured Credit Builder Visa Credit Card get started [e-mail] Dan Chime feels like progress.

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[Unknown Speaker 1]

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[Roy Bellamy]

Howdy everybody.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

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[Roy Bellamy]

Don Buschen is on the show right now, is the national NHL writer for the Athletic. He recently wrote an article about how the 32 franchises in the National Hockey League are efficient in their roster building and using their money. Now I can give you the top five in the bottom five to save time. All right, the top five we have Tampa A plus, the first, second Carolina A plus, third, Colorado A plus. And then we get into the A's. Florida has an A, the fourth Ottawa has an A. They are fifth and the bottom five 28th is Anaheim at a C. The Islanders 29th with a C. Nashville D plus they are 30th. Chicago D plus 31st that's a big woof right there by the way. And Seattle D plus at 32.

[Ethan]

So what's the Chandler Stevenson contract that.

[Roy Bellamy]

Is true that that's a bad contract. What went into this formula? Don Dom and can you tell me why the New York Islanders aren't dead last in this situation? The street continues. Dave.

[David Dwark]

So what goes in this formula is I first rate every player and I have a model for that where I look at how many points each player scores, how they drive play, who they play against, who they play with and I have something that's sort of like war like if you follow baseball. So when's the bow replacement and then I just convert that into how much that should cost on the open market. I then apply an age curve using comparable players in the past to see how each player ages and then I apply that to the future cap growth to get how much each player's contract should be worth. I added it all up for every team see how likely the contracts are to be valuable and you end up with the Islanders in 29th, not 32nd and that is because they do have some good contracts on the books and they don't have a lot of horrible ones like Seattle or Nashville.

[Roy Bellamy]

Have you have Tony d' Angelo at a B plus? Why?

[David Dwark]

I think if you look at someone like Shane Gossip on Carolina where they are a pure like power play quarterback kind of vibe and bring offense usually those players don't cost a lot on the open market but a model like this might view them more favorably for their offensive output. And with no adopts and gone d' Angelo should get the bulk of the power play time for the Islanders. I I think he's probably priced fairly and my model is probably wrong about him and wrong about Gossas Bear because there's a reason teams don't pay those so players a lot. But that is why he's he's rated high and same as gossip for Carolina.

[Ethan]

Seems the model doesn't account for some of the things you don't like about Tony d'. Angelo.

[Roy Bellamy]

Roy yeah that's true. There's the content of one's character. Convince my producer Ethan here as to why the Florida Panthers shouldn't be number one on the list.

[David Dwark]

I mean I was personally surprised they weren't number one. I think the reason is they have won two Stanley Cups. They can sort of do whatever they want right now. And that includes the Marchand and Bennett contracts, I think are probably on the more expensive side compared to what they usually do. Usually they get incredible deals. You saw on Reinhart, Barkov, Kachuk, Forsling, even Ekblad this year. But Marshawn Bennett seemed sort of like luxury contracts where both guys wanted to get paid, and I think aptly so, considering they've been underpaid for a fair bit of their career. Marshand. I think what's important here is the cap hit, which is 5.3, which for the next three years is going to be incredible. But there is no precedent for a player even of his caliber playing to 43 years old. So that is where the value just drops off significantly because the expectation is he's not going to be very good when he's 42 years old. But he may prove us wrong, he may prove me wrong. He may be this incredible player still at that age. But the. The term length is the big thing. It's the same with Sam Bennett, who I think is a very complicated player to price because during the regular season he might be a 6 million player. During the playoffs he's a 10 million player. So you see how you get to 8 million for the Panthers. And I think 8 is probably the limit I would go to for him as well. I wrote about that extensively because I just do think it's a fascinating deal. But the Model is really only considering his regular season output erroneously, obviously because he's such a playoff demon. But those two deals, their deals Florida had to make to extend this championship window because they are firmly in it and the next three years are more important than the four years after that where those contracts might become a bit more problematic.

[Ethan]

So, Dom, I. I love the Athletic and I think you guys do a tremendous job. And I was reading the.

[Roy Bellamy]

You softening it up?

[Ethan]

Yeah, no, I do. I do. I read the Athletic all the time and I was reading the 10 worst contracts article. The guy you just brought up, Sam Bennett, made the list at number eight over Cody Ceci. I understand that that's simply what the Model is putting out there, and it's not you saying it. And I think you do a great job in the article of clarifying. Look, we all know that this isn't really what Sam Bennett's value is, that he's more of a valuable player in the playoffs. So I guess my question is kind of. Hockey has always seemed to me like a very difficult sport to quantify. So. And you do a lot of quantifying of hockey. So where do you, in your analysis, kind of let the quality, the quantification end and start doing things with your eyes? And how do you make up the difference between what your eyes say and what the numbers say?

[David Dwark]

I think I just try to always bridge the gap as much as possible between analytics and the eye test and improve my model in that way. Two years ago, I think one of the biggest gaps was that it would often rate third pair defenseman a little better than it should in a rated first pair defense and a little worse than it should. And the. If you talk to any hockey person who just watched the game, you're like, there's a reason this guy is playing top pair minutes. There's a reason this guy is not getting in the top four. And I think the numbers sort of obfuscate the difference between playing the top lineup and playing the bottom. So I worked fairly diligently to account for quality competition, better quality of teammates, and get to a point where it's not overrating players that play soft minutes and giving credit where credit's due to players like forsling players like Slavin who play these extremely difficult minutes. And there'll still be lapses in judgment and a lot of time it's just trusting your gut and trusting what you see as well. But understanding that where there is a gap is always where things are interesting. And when you talk about Bennett, what he does is quantifiable in the playoffs. And so the gap is not between the eye test and the analytics. It's because it's between what's quantifiable in the playoffs and what's quantifiable in the regular season. Where in the regular season it does seem like he saves a bit of energy because if he played the way he did in the playoffs all year, he would not make it to the playoffs. I think that is something where you just have to use a bit of common sense and also use the numbers to see is this just something that's random? For a lot of players it is. They might be like a one playoff wonder. Villi Lino comes to mind from a decade ago. Bennett seems to do this every year to the point where you, you watch him, you see him do it every year and you think, I think this is probably real. To the point that the next thing I do want to look at this model is how much of the small sample size playoff data should I be incorporating? Because right now it is none. And generally for like 90% of the population that'll probably work for players like Bennett, for players on the team I cheer for in Toronto. It also does not work. So there's that gap I think I still need to bridge where you probably trade more.

[Ethan]

Sorry, I don't want to interrupt you, but if you don't mind me asking, do you not not incorporate playoffs? Because some guys play in the playoffs and some guys don't. And some guys play a number, you know, go deep in the playoffs and some guys play one round in the playoffs. So it would throw off the data. Like, what's the reasoning there?

[Roy Bellamy]

There?

[David Dwark]

It's a. It's a bit of that. It's a bit of the fact that it's a small sample where if a player plays really poorly for four games in the regular season, it means nothing. If he plays really poorly in the playoffs, it means everything. And sort of that can throw off the data, but it's also us taking steps to improve things in the right order. So if I was not qualifying, quantifying quality competition very well before, I would not be able to look at playoff data appropriately because there's a big difference between the Oilers playing a soft Kings team every year and Florida and Tampa battling it out. Huge difference in quality competition where you'd want to account for how difficult it was, where you might want. You might be able to make a bit more excuses for Nikita Kutrov playing not as well because he is constantly going up against Barkov and forsling every shift. Compared to the regular season, where he's getting a nice mix of not just Florida, but also Buffalo and this year Boston was pretty terrible. So it's something you just. You can't just do everything at once. And I'm only one man. So of course this is the next step where now that I have a better understanding of quality competition, I can apply it to playoffs and see how predictive it is adding. Because I have looked at it before when I didn't have proper quality competition data and it said just use regular season data. The playoff data is noisy. But now that this is accounted for, I think the answer will be different. We're seeing that transpire with a player like Bennett.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

I wanted to ask you about some teams that I think made some big improvements this off season. I know you kind of covered on it a lot last month after free agency and everything kind of shook out, but two teams out west who nobody really thinks much of at this point, talking about San Jose, who was bottom of the league last year, I think they finished like 40 points out of a playoff spot. And Anaheim, who they were, okay, you know, they were still like 20 points out of a playoff spot. 10, 20 points or whatever it is. But I think both of them did a lot to improve this offseason. Whether talk about San Jose bringing in like Skinner and Gaudette and Orlov, the Ducks, Kreider, Granlund, you know, they got, you know, our buddy Chicken Wing out of New York last year too. So they've got some decent guys there as well. But just in terms of off season improvements, San Jose and Anaheim for sure. But who do you think are going to make the biggest jump this year from last year?

[David Dwark]

It is always a tough question because a lot of times when you see these big jumps, they're sort of unexpected. Like last year, Montreal, I think a lot of people expect him to be at the bottom and they just had a lot of tangible growth right off the bat. And throughout the season they got better and better. And I think they can be A team that staves off regression because they added jobs and because they added Boldage. And Columbus as well is another great example from last year where no one really saw it coming. But the one thing with Columbus that I think applies to a team like Anaheim is they got a new coach who knew what he was doing. In Dina Vasin, they got a lot more out of players already on the roster. And I think that is something we can see with Anaheim where even just beyond the numbers, beyond who they added, beyond the fact that there are a lot of young players who are expected to grow this season. They have a new coach in Joel Quenville, who is one of the best coaches in the world. And I think he can get a lot more out of this roster than I forgot who their previous coach was. Not going to lie. I, I don't, I don't like what he, what he did with it. Like every year, like, oh, Anaheim's going to do something and they never did anything. And I will blame the coach whose name I forgot. And I do think they'll be better for that reason. Where I look at what my model has for this year and I look at what the betting market has, and it seems like the betting market believes that where I might think the roster is 74 point capable, the betting market thinks it's 80 or 85. That's the coach bump that they believe Quenneville can have. And I think it's hard to argue against that. Where I would expect, Anaheim is definitely the team to make the biggest jump. Utah is another popular one as well, although as much as I like some of the ads they made. I think there's some, some question marks on their depth compared to what they had last year.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

I also wanted to ask you about a team that I think is going to be better this season. Not that they needed to be that much better, but Carolina, a big move that they made this off season was getting Nick Ehlers from Winnipeg. I just think it's a great fit. I think you wrote something about also just how it just seems like he's going to be a good guy there. Just, you know, a good two way player with a high end offensive capabilities. Obviously they lost something in the, the rant and trade when they sent niches out west, but I, I feel like this isn't getting discussed a lot in just terms of I think Carolina, even though they went to the conference final last year and you know, second in the division, all that, I think that they're going to take a step forward this year. I think this is a big signing for them. I just wanted to get your take on it.

[David Dwark]

Yeah, Carolina is interesting because they're always near the top of the league, but they're also extremely young, which I think people underrate right now. They are not better than Florida, obviously. They keep losing to them in the conference finals in incredible fashion, but they are younger than Florida and so there will probably be at some point an inflection where Carolina might surpass Florida because of how much youth they have, how they are doing contract efficiency stuff at the same scale where they have all these great long term contracts and deals. And Ehlers I think gives them pretty much exactly what niches watch, which is a chaotic dynamic player with the puck who can bring it up the ice and not depend so much on forechecking dummy chase. Give them a different look up front and you combine that with the fact that they ended up with Stan Koven as well. I think they're a lot deeper now. They have a lot more four weapons. They have I think a big three up front, which is really important. If you look at all the contenders, they have three incredible forwards and I think Ehlers slides in with Ajo and Jarvis in that way, especially COP2 if he bounces back. But one question mark I have with them is if they're 2C is the Esperi caught? Konymi? I am a bit worried about just how high they can climb, but they are very clearly the class of the metro this year.

[Ethan]

Daily Face off has Seth Jarvis listed as their 2C, just Barry Kuniemi as a 4C which we kind of. I think we've all come to the conclusion that's kind of more of his spot. But I mean, Carolina, they still looked so far away, like the Panthers demolished them again in this series. And it's not like the Panthers got any worse. So I just, you know, is the model really high on Carolina again? Because that's a team that, you know, numbers always kind of love.

[David Dwark]

So if you only use XG or Corsi, you're going to love Carolina a bit too much. I do look at goals as well, and I have Carolina, I think an appropriate spot, which is seventh, but they have a, they have a softer division, so they might jump up ahead of some of the Atlantic teams. Just by virtue of the Atlantic being, I think, the deepest division in the league. Same with the Central is pretty tough as well. I, I like Carolina a lot. I think they have a lot of room to grow. I don't know how fair it is that they're extremely far away when you compare them to Florida, because based on the playoffs we saw, everyone is far away. It seemed like Toronto at some points was close and then they got demolished. Tampa Bay at some points was close. Then they got demolished. Carolina at some points were close. Sorry, they got demolished and then at some points made it close and then same with Edmonton, where at some points they were close and then Florida just. I, I have never seen a more demoralizing playoff team where you think you have them and then suddenly they score three goals and you're like, we do not have them. It is. It was wild to watch that line.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Just.

[Ethan]

I love hearing that.

[Roy Bellamy]

A surprising thing that I saw in the article was the Philadelphia Flyers and just how much money they have towards the salary cap. What happened? I don't.

[David Dwark]

I, I was absolutely stunned. Going through cap wages and Puckpedia, seeing them at the top of the salary cap list and then looking at their roster and wondering, where, oh, where did all this money go? Apparently a lot of it is spent on the league worst goaltending. Yeah, they. You got like 3 million for Vadar, 3 million for Fedatov, 3 million for Ersin. None of them are good. Makes perfect sense to me. I do like the Trevor Zegris bet for them because they do need to take those high upside risks. But at the same time, Zigris was not great in Anaheim, I think has stumbled a lot in his development. So he's obviously someone that's pricey, who could get to his cap hit in terms of value. It's just not something you can reasonably bet on now, I think the big thing is obviously Sean Couturier when he signed his deal was absolutely worth it. One of the best two way centers league got injured. Just, just isn't that guy anymore, unfortunately.

[Roy Bellamy]

And finally. Yeah, you have to explain this to me. You've been pouring over the rosters for a long time now. Why exactly hasn't Bill Zito won the Jim Gregory award?

[Ethan]

Great question.

[Roy Bellamy]

And will he win? Based on your model for this upcoming season, will he win next season?

[David Dwark]

I don't know how he does it. He hasn't won one yet. This last year seems the most egregious because he added Marchand and Seth Jones and meanwhile did Jim Neal win again? He added.

[Ethan]

Of course. Who else would have won?

[Roy Bellamy]

Yep.

[David Dwark]

It's just. I unfathomable that he hasn't won because he is the gold standard. And I, I wonder if this is the year just because he was able to com like bring everyone back. Basically it's just Nate Schmidt gone. I think like even if he doesn't do anything at the deadline, even if he doesn't have to maneuver in any way, like just bring this team back and if they go to conference finals again, like, I don't know how you don't give it to him.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Yeah. The year he does the least will be the year he finally.

[Ethan]

Right. Exactly. Yeah. He lost out to Jim Neal who brought in Alex Petrovic and Cody Cece.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

And well, and Mika Ran.

[Ethan]

Have you seen their, like their defensive. I mean, yeah, the Randon move obviously.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Big, but I still don't think it's up to par with what Zito has done. He took from when he got here five years ago when he took this franchise to where they are now. It's like mind blowing. And he's. I mean, he's gotten credit in terms of the Stanley Cup. He's won it twice now. But credit from the outside, like, what are we doing, people? All right, I'm done.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

It almost feels.

[Ethan]

It almost feels like if he wins this year, it'll be like. Like Leonardo DiCaprio winning for the Revenant. Like kind of like a career lifetime achievement award.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

There's better things, right? But he gets his trophy. Yeah. Good one, Ethan.

[Roy Bellamy]

You are. Bill Zero stands around here. Don Luchesin, thank you for joining us.

[David Dwark]

Thanks for having me, guys. All right.

[Roy Bellamy]

That was great with Dom, man. And yes, Bill Zero sure won the damn trophy. Come on, let's. What are we doing here?

[Ethan]

Can we just make like. I just want to clip off Dom saying the Panthers are the Most demoralizing playoff team I think I've ever seen or whatever. Exactly, he said. And just like, play that on a loop forever. Every time I get mad at the Athletic for doubting the Panthers and regression candidate Samson Reinhardt and all that, you.

[Roy Bellamy]

Know, stuff, they say the five hockey teams that they have played the most in the playoffs, the Lightning, the Maple Leafs, the Bruins, the Hurricanes and the Oilers. Oh, boy.

[Ethan]

Yeah, it's pretty amazing. I mean, just thinking back on it. Don't you, like, you see the cup days, you know, recently, Roy, and you think back on it and it's just. It's just unbelievable what they've done the last couple years.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah, the cup is having a great time in Europe right now, man. They're not done and they don't seem to be done.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Just getting started.

[Ethan]

Probably just gonna do it again next year. Right. Like, I mean, so you guys firmly.

[Roy Bellamy]

Be more annoyed with us talking about Florida Panthers because apparently you guys don't think we talk about the rest of the league enough, even though we just did.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Well, the rest of the league needs to start winning some Stanley Cups, dude. I'm sorry.

[Ethan]

I love talking about if this show.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

If we would have been doing the hockey show five years ago, we would have been talking about Tampa, we would have been talking about Colorado. But we're doing the hockey show now.

[Roy Bellamy]

We're talking about making.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

That's it. Is what it is.

[Ethan]

I'd say next week, just to piss everybody off, we should just do a segment on like the San. Like the. No, not the Islanders. Let's do a segment on the.

[Roy Bellamy]

I'm going to talk about the Islanders.

[Ethan]

You know, not the Penguins. Who's the most, like, boring team we could possibly talk about that. Just like Seattle. Yeah, let's do a segment on the Seattle Kraken just for no reason. Next week.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

Just.

[Ethan]

Okay, we. We talked to you all about hockey. Somebody else besides the Panthers.

[Roy Bellamy]

Rosie, any closing thoughts?

[Rosie]

Yes. Let me close this with an amazing video. Boys, hit it.

[Roy Bellamy]

Oh, Jesus. Sharky. Sharky. The San Jose Sharks mascot got kicked in the face. Is that celebrity? By a soccer ball. And it does look like celebrating.

[Ethan]

No, that's celebrating. I think that might be Will Smith.

[Roy Bellamy]

Will Smith and Mackie celebrity.

[Rosie]

He even said it's murder. So we're murder. We're very close to it.

[Ethan]

I think we're seven weeks away this.

[Roy Bellamy]

Coming Tuesday from opening night Macklin celebrating. I said Mackie because Sam Eskevich had the cup recently. He took it to Newtown.

[Ethan]

That was beautiful. He brought it to the Sandy Hook museum.

[Roy Bellamy]

That was. That was great.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

That's how Panthers centric we are on this show is that none of us taught that. Yeah, none of us taught that.

[Ethan]

I didn't want to.

[Roy Bellamy]

I mean, I knew it was wrong. Like, wait a minute. It's not Mackie's Macklin. Oh, let me correct myself because I miss Panthers hockey.

[Ethan]

Seven weeks, Roy. I'll be there. I bought my tickets last week.

[Roy Bellamy]

Yeah. I'll be in the press box with Dave. Yeah. All right. So that's the show. We thank you for joining us, Rosie. Thank you for doing whatever it is that you do. I don't know. I. I know why you're in here because Dave's not here. Dave, come back.

[Ethan]

Probably a bad idea to let me in here.

[Rosie]

Okay. Just because we have to close and we don't have time. But whatever it is, what I do, you should know by now what I do.

[Roy Bellamy]

I know. I was being. I was being facetious there, Rose.

[Rosie]

Bye, everybody.

[Roy Bellamy]

All right, for our Gino and whoever else is in the video studio.

[Rosie]

Jason.

[Roy Bellamy]

Jason's over there. He's directing the things that we are doing. Ethan, don't come in here anymore. David, come back. Rose. Thank you. My name is Roy Bellamy. Thank you for watching and listening to the hockey show. We will see you next week and we'll talk to you as well because we also on the audio podcast, aren't we.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Smooth, Roy. Very smooth.

[Rosie]

Very smooth, Roy.

[Roy Bellamy]

Howdy, everybody.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

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[Ethan]

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[Roy Bellamy]

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[Ethan]

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