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The NFL Trade Bonanza (feat. Carmen Vitali and JD Bunkis)
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Well, bad news. The alleged experts have already declared this year's QB draft class is no good. Good news. We can use this time to get our Ducks in a row and create a time capsule addressing this question, which QB draft class is the best in the history of people? Oh, good one Dave. But you know Dave, it's going to be tough to answer what with a bunch of the guys still playing. So part of this is predicting what we haven't seen yet. But what we've already seen from the 2024 class has them collectively in the conversation for history's greatest to this point, the 21st century's gold standard is the ought for group, which does unfortunately include JP Lasman, but also Eli Manning, Phil Rivers and Ben Roethlisberger. I combined four Lombardi's and five super bowl appearances. Most people though will still say the 83 classes tops John Elway, Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, also Champagne Tony Eason, who for what it's worth, started Super Bowl 20 for the Pats and underrated Ken O' Brien and and also Todd Blackledge, who does not own one of the class's three gold jackets or 11 Super bowl appearances. The group won just two total Lovardis, one of which might have been for John, but both were more thanks to Terrell Davis than any QB out there. The 24 class is off to a historic start. We can give Michael Penix an incomplete to this point, and while I know old number nine J.J. mcCarthy's already got some skeptics, he gets one too. There's also Drake May, who just started Super Bowl 60 and by the way, he was hurt. There's Bo? N, who I think would have started that super bowl if he hadn't been hurt. Then there's Caleb Williams, who appeared transformed by Ben Johnson. And don't forget the guy who a year ago we all agreed was the best of that bunch, Jaden Daniels, who pulled off the rare feat of starting a title game as a rookie. At the moment at least, we can't rightly say any of these guys are busts, which would be a distinguishing quality compared with the other classes. Then again, how about 2020 Burrow Herbert, Jordan Love and early second rounder Jalen Hurts, he of the two Super Bowls and one Lombardi, the biggest flop of the early round group, Tua can't rightly be called a bust, at least not yet. He just gotten bonked on the head a little bit too much. And the 2018 guys who seem ancient at this point have maybe the best shot. Mayfield, Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rose and Lamar Jackson. One super bowl appearance, one Lombardi, and three MVP trophies between them. Safe to say Allen and Lamar at least will get gold Jackets, if not sizable bobbles. But what if either of those guys does win a Super Bowl? Well, then I think it's game over for this whole debate. One thing seems clear. You better have that 83 class versus ought 4 class debate now, because I suspect it's going to be antiquated in about a half decade or so. Meantime, let's start the show. Yes. Hi and hello, my fellow football Americans. Welcome to Football America. We're presented as ever by our pals at DraftKings. DraftKings. The Crown is yours. This stands as our free agent primer for you. We've got two great guests coming up. Real quick. It's episode number 54, Mike Fuentes. Your brother Gino remains out. Best to him at home. Tell us, who is the greatest player to ever wear the number 54?
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Well, Brian Erlacher has to be considered a Buffalo. Buffalo. Look at me, still thinking about that thing. Chicago Bears legend. Also Randy White, considered as of late. Bobby Wagner, still playing. But for me and Ethan, it's got to be anvil for a head hall of Famer. Zach Thomas, by the way, took him way too long to get into a Hall of Fame. Insulting.
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By the way, Ethan, thanks for filling in. As usual, you get to answer for the fellows behind the glass down there in Miami. And by the way, I should also say great times one more time down in Miami with. With everybody filling in for Dan LeBatard last week. Thanks to everybody there in that weird little office space down in the parking garage somewhere in downtown Miami. Badowsk, quickly, which is going to be 10 years, let's say from right now. The greatest QB class ever.
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Well, I would still lean 84 or 83, because Elway and Marino, like, you're just not going to get much better than two of the 10 greatest quarterbacks that have ever played the game, I don't think. At least, but it's hard to say in the moment that when you never know, like Allen and. Allen and Lamar Jackson being the same draft class, like, it might be the same thing. Plus Baker Mayfield, plus Sam Darnold. Right, exactly. So it's like, it's hard to say, but I would lean that 84 or. Or the 20. That would be 2018. Right?
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D
A 2020 class.
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C
I'm pretty low on, to be honest with you. Like, I'm not as high on those guys as some other people are, but Also, they could start stacking Super Bowls, but I would say 84 or the Lamar Allen class.
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All right, let's get into some NFL free agency. I suspect we'll sprinkle in some hockey as well with our pals Bunkus and Vitali. Here we go. All right. How can we have a proper roundtable about all things free agency and maybe some other stuff that involves the game of life with just one person? No, I think we need to tap into Dave's digital Rolodex and get two of the best voices in the biz, but people talking into microphones. First of all, Carmen Vitale from Fox Sports Radio. Like I say, as good as it gets on Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Chicago Bears, really NFL at large. And then up in the capital, I. Is that.
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D
Is it really?
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Is there a. It's not the capital of Canada.
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E
It's not the capital.
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It's the capital of hockey.
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E
Yeah.
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From Sportsnet5.90, the fan, it's our guy. JD Bunk is also make sure you're checking out the podcast. He does. Named after himself. So vain. How are you, J.D. bunkus?
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E
Yeah. You would never do such a thing.
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Never. That's not my way. How are you, Carmen Vitali? What's happening?
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D
I'm great. Yeah. Doing well.
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D.J. moore's a bill. I guess we can start. Your thoughts, Carmen?
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D
No, I listen. When I saw that the Bears got a return of a second round pick for DJ Moore, that was. It seemed like the writing was on the wall regardless. Especially from Ryan Paul's comments this off season during the combine in particular, where he talked so much about, oh, there's going to have to be some really tough decisions made. And we were all just kind of like, all right, so DJ Moore is gone. And now that that's happened, I mean, I thought his value really capped out at like four. And to see that they got a two in return, which means the Bears were picking twice in four picks in the second round. That was a deal that you do all day. And you know, I think that that was one of the Bears deepest position areas. Right. Like they have a plethora of offensive weapons for Caleb Will and that wide receiver room in particular. DJ was the veteran there. So I think from a locker room standpoint, he will be missed and I will personally selfishly miss him because it means his kids won't be running around as much and you won't get to see all those interactions which are really fun. And I think he was needed this last season because that room is so young. But offensively, I Don't really think that the Bears are really taking much of a hit at this point, especially with, you know, going into year two under Ben Johnson and understanding this game that much more and those young players having that much more experience. I just. Especially given the return, I think that this was home run for the Bears.
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Yeah, I suspect they'll just keep loading up at the line of scrimmage there. Bunkus, how about you? Love looking at the NFC west stuff. So how do you react to the rams getting Trent McDuffie there? Who wins that deal, the Chiefs or the Rams?
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Well, I gotta tell you that it's weird to me for both teams. One, like, I'll just never understand the NFL salary cap. Like, the idea that the Rams are just grabbing McDuffie and they're trading out of first. I'm like, oh, I was not aware that they were one of the teams that had the luxury of making a move like this, but here we are.
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A
It's super weird. This has gone on with the Rams for like eight years. They seem to have, like, double the money of everybody else every year.
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E
They're allowed to just trade out draft picks, take on salaries, and there's just no repercussions. Like the Minnesota Vikings. How would you feel if you're a fan of that team where it's like they're gutting it, right? You just watch Sam Darnold win a Super Bowl. They're trying to gut their roster and move off of pieces. All I see is after they've made these moves, they're still like $20 million over the cap. And I'm like, what did they do? They got a quarterback on a rookie contract, they let Sam Darnold go, and yet they're completely capped out in the L. A. Rams are just grabbing McDuffie for a late first. Is that deal actually done? Like, again, I don't know the rules. Is that deal, like, officially consummated? Carmen?
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D
I think so because of the fact that, yeah, like, it's a trade. So it has nothing to do with like, free agency and all that. So that should have gone. That. That should go through. I don't was any deferment either as far as, like, what they were trading. So, yeah, I. From everything I know about how this all works, I also have to say Trent McDuffie is like, one of my favorite players in the entire league.
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E
So good.
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D
So I'm so thrilled. And I still don't. I'm with you guys. I don't understand how the Rams do this stuff. Like, it's I mean the reason they do it is like it's just an FM Picks philosophy and they're back to it after, you know, they had what, three years without a first round pick and this, this year they had two first round picks. So you know, Lesnie wasn't hanging on to that like there was no, they don't value first round picks at all. So I, I, if you can get a proven player, I mean it's, I don't know if it's enough to change the philosophy of like people teams around the league, but it certainly worked out for them to go after proven players versus try to draft and develop.
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Well, I'll, I'll say this. I mean it's really I think very within the realm of possibility obviously. And I bet it has among the shortest odds of Super Bowl 61 matchups is RA Chiefs. I think both teams win out of this. I know the Chiefs get lighter on the back end, but if Stafford's back holds up, I think they kind of as much as I have laughed about the Seahawks, the defending world champs, having longer odds to win the NFC west than another team, they just won the Super Bowl. How do they have longer odds than anybody? But anyhow, I can kind of buy the Rams as being the NFC favorite real quick as we look back at Super Bowl 60 though, I'm going to be by the way, for these next 20 minutes, the both of you and the listener should steal yourselves. I'm going to be all over the place here. I'm bouncing all over the place.
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E
We that's what I like about working.
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D
Yeah. Good thing we all have ADHD here, right?
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E
Yeah. There's already like four different things that I want to go, I come like I want to go back to the Bills, I want to go back to the Bears. I still want to talk about the Chiefs like. But yes, the Seahawks.
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A
Well, the Seahawks beat a team, the New England Patriots and we agree. Bunk is. I'm going to start with you. Drake May was hurt, right.
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E
If they ever say so then.
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But he was right.
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E
He had to be. He had to be. Although Kate, can I ask you this though? Do you really think the game would have gone all that different if his shoulder was 30% better? Yeah.
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Yes. Yes. I don't, I mean it was, it was think about where we were as halftime approached. If the, if you can figure out as the Patriots to scratch out a touchdown. The game is completely different as you go to the half. Right?
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E
Yeah, I guess maybe we could play the, the ifs, ands or Buts game with that team, they'll never admit it because, first of all, they're already the number one cheater organization for what, like, the next two decades of football, that we're going to be looking at them that way. So the idea that they fudge an injury report, even though, like, weirdly, carmically, now the time they cheat it, it hurts their optics. Like, they have to be quiet about it. I just. I think that Seattle was just so far, in a way, the better team, and that the super bowl, as I had said many, many times, is going to be played during the NFC Championship Game. Like, I don't doubt.
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A
I know you said that you hammered that point. A lot of other people did as well. Not to discredit.
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E
Wasn't exactly original. Yeah, I don't think that I was the only one who was saying that I was so unique. Like, what, on your mount Pius being the. Who had the only take that way. I do look at the Rams still as the favorite to come out of the nfc. Like, I just think of the way that that game against the Seahawks, when it was razor thin, they still have a lot of talent. There's some question marks about Seattle, too, now moving forward. Right. Like, Kenneth Walker was pretty important during that playoff run, and Charbonnet is coming off of an injury, and they don't seem all that interested in paying Kenneth Walker. There was, like, this weird interaction they had at the super bowl parade that I think went a little under the radar, where John Schneider drunkenly was like, and he's begging me to come back. And then a day later, Kenneth Walker issued a statement with his agent that was like, yeah, we never said anything like that. We want money, we want opportunity. We have not negotiated in good faith with the Seattle Seahawks. I think Shahid was really important. Like, if you look at that game against the Rams that ultimately gave them home field advantage that tilted on a Shaheed pun return. The Rams were weak when it came to their special teams.
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It was game over. Right. You felt. Was there any game when. When he wound up in the end zone, you're like, no flags. I thought this league had ruled out touchdowns on kickoffs, but here we are. And now the niners are cooked 1, 100%.
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So I just, like, I don't know, man. I. I'm a little nervous about what exactly the Seahawks are going to do now because John Schneider's track record has been, hey, I'm a really good draft and develop guy. I'll make a really good core. And then all of a sudden, he starts to get trade crazy. And I've already seen things like, hey, they don't really love this draft and they really like Max Crosby. And that makes me think about Jamal Adams and this window being shorter and then making kind of one of those stupid trades and sort of like a heat check moment from Jon Schneider where he's feeling himself and he's like, I could do whatever I want. I got a ton of cap space. I got all my draft picks. I'm going to do this kind of stuff. And like, to Carmen's point about the Bears, that's why it's like, they're sort of one of the most interesting teams from a. If you were a fan of any team right now, who would you want to be standpoint? And for Chicago, it's like you move DJ Moore for a second round pick, as Karm pointed out, like, that's better value than you thought you were going to get. You feel like you're well run. You feel like you hit a home run with the offensive coordinator that people were like, well, is he too much of a dork? Is he going to be able to actually connect as a head coach? Well, that's already passed with flying colors. You've got two young wide receivers that everybody's excited about. A quarterback that's, everybody's excited about. Money to move around on your defense, draft capital to add to your defense. Like, yeah, that one feels good. The Bills, though, like, aren't you guys really interested in the bill side of that trade? Because that to me is like, you traded for Shakir.
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Plus. Yeah, I mean, I think you. I. I'll let Carmen go on this at greater length. I like the move. I think it's. It's time. It's desperate hours. If you're the Buffalo Bills and you got the guy, if you need to, you got to go get somebody. And do you want to. Definitely. I know we've gotten very glib about. Well, just, well, get. Get rid of that guy and bring in AJ Brown. Are people paying attention to AJ Brown? Are you sure you want to bring that in. In house right now, Carmen? I.
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D
It's interesting because I think that it looks great to say, like, oh, yeah, like, DJ Moore is a wide receiver one, and he can handle, like, he can handle all of those responsibilities and this, that and the other. But if you look at DJ Moore's profile and what Josh Allen has historically been good at throwing to, or it's been a successful connection, DJ Moore doesn't really fit that. Like, he's not Big enough to me, but, like, to go up for, like, those 50 balls, like, he's not going to win those. And so it's interesting. Like, I don't want to say DJ Moore is not a wide receiver one, but I. Spending that much on a guy, like, makes me think, like, why didn't you then just go after Alec Pierce? Why didn't you go after, like, something like that? Like. Like. Like the best wide receiver. If getting a wide receiver one meant that much to you, and that's what you wanted to prioritize, especially with, like, some of the people that the Bills are conceivably letting hit free agency, like, across the roster, where you're freeing up potential money and ability to do that. Why not just go after, like, the best you could possibly get if you're going to pay a price like that? Especially so. I don't know. I. I like the move from this. Like, I just. I think I like the move less now that I know what the compensation is.
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I think the pushback I would do is whether you think DJ Moore really stands as a. As a true number one. What it does weirdly allow for is Keon Coleman to slot as your number two.
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D
Instead of the faith that he's gonna do that.
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I was gonna say, I feel like their number off the roster. Like, I. So the Bills are Toronto's team, right? Like, we just had a Raptors Knicks game in town last night, and it's Bill's night night. Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter, who are, I guess, partial owners of the Bills to some effect. I'm not exactly really sure what they own. It feels like a Jay Z ownership stake where, like, they've got the 1%, but either way, they have Bills night. We've got the T shirts out. Everybody loves the Bills here. I just. I don't think Keon Coleman is an option for their future. Like, I think that ship has sailed. It's. It was so bad there this year with that guy. Not just from a talent standpoint, but everything that happened behind the scenes. I just don't know how you could bring him back. And if he burns you again, justify that happening with your locker room where that veteran team is having to, like, stick up for that guy. The thing with DJ Moore is, like, I agree with Karm where, I don't know. I kind of think that he's had an opportunity to be a number one now in two different spots. And if he's your number one guy, it's a little underwhelming. If he's one of the guys in a really talented group. You feel like that's awesome, but that's not really what the Bills have. And then I think about, like I mentioned Khalil Shakir. That's the guy there, like, love it or don't. He's been the guy for the Buffalo Bills, their most reliable target. And there's like a little redundancy with me with those guys. Like, I agree, like, they need the 50, 50 ball guy. And yeah, like, I get what you're saying, Dave, about going out and getting A.J. brown, where he comes with different issues, but normally when you go get the issue guy, the first year can be a bit of a honeymoon.
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Yeah.
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So.
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So it's like if you've got Josh Allen, George Pickens.
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Right.
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Well, for at least 10 games. Right.
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D
Then I was gonna say I'm wait, I'm still waiting on like that's gonna, that's gonna happen. That's an inevitability.
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Yeah. 10 games of George Pickens and now franchise tag George Pickens. I'm sure this is going to be delightful for Cowboys fans, but I don't know, I just, I think I would have gone for something that was a little higher upside if that was the price point. And to me it's like, okay, if DJ Morv is a move and you've decided we're going to use a second round pick to go get this guy and now we're going to do like, we want to be in on Mike Evans, we're going to pay to go get Mike Evans. He's going to be our jump ball guy. That's when I say, okay, this looks good.
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Sure.
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But up until that moment, the DJ Moore thing, if that's their move, which has kind of been the Buffalo Billsy thing, right. They go out and get one guy and they're like, we did it. Yeah. If that's the move, I don't think that this actually changes the ceiling of that offense, especially since they're likely to lose their center.
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Carmen, what do you think of. I'm like I say, bouncing around here? Drake may. Do you think he was hurt? Do you buy. I mean, it certainly seems that was the case and the Patriots were bitten by their own snake. That they couldn't say publicly he was hurt, but Josh Dobbs taken reps the weekend before the super bowl. Probably was the tell there.
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D
My question is, are you allowed to be heard on a microphone team like, is Mike.
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Every game is a must win game according to Mike Vrabel. I asked.
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D
Exactly. And Then the actual must win game of the Super Bowl. Are you even allowed to say that you're hurt or to, like, come to Mike Brable, be like, hey, man, my shoulder hurts. He's been like, I don't care. Go shoot up with something.
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Like, what happens if Josh Dobbs starts that game? Carmen?
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I don't. I mean, I don't think that it goes any differently, honestly, because I also. I mean, I'm. This is. This is my. This is my wheelhouse, is the trenches, right? And you look at how Seattle's defensive line just completely outmanned the Patriots offensive line in that second half in particular. I mean, I think they did an admiral job to your guys's point in the first half, where you're like, okay, maybe this is something that is, you know, they could be a little bit more back and forth and maybe they are a little bit more evenly matched than we gave the Patriots credit for. But at the end of the day, I think it just showed how much work they still have to do on that offensive line, because it was there. They weren't even a year removed from how terrible it was, or I guess a year removed from how terrible it was in Drake May's first season, where I was terrified for him to get thrown in there because I thought he was going to get killed. So I. You just. You don't fix a lot of those issues overnight. And. And in one year. And I think that that showed. And I think just in general, the Patriots were a team that they're just young. They haven't been together for very long under Mike Brable, and they were just a little bit more volatile and they managed to make the Super Bowl. But Seattle, I'm with you, J.D. seattle was by far and away the better team, the more complete team, especially when you consider how dominant that defense was. And then on top of that, you. The offense, that was really, really good, I'm not going to say elite or great or whatever under Sam. With Sam Darnold. And like, Sam Darnold did exactly what he. You needed him to do to keep up and to score enough points that the defense could be like, all right, we only have to allow. We don't have to allow, like, the defense was never going to allow more than like 10 or 15 points. So as long as you can score more than that, which Sam Darnold showed he was capable of, I mean, I think that was always the Seahawks game.
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A
Well, I kind of bring this up to tee up this conversation, you know, Patriots fans, like I said, about Broncos Fans, after the AFC title game, they will lament for the next two to seven decades that we would have won that game if our starting quarterback wouldn't have been available. And I suspect the Patriots fans, if it ever is revealed yet Drake may had a messed up shoulder. They'll be like, it would have been different if we. The thing, the thing is nobody cares outside of your fan base. No one will ever remember that. As far as that goes. J.D. bunkus, if number 87, Kid Crosby plays in the gold medal game, Canada surely, right?
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E
I really believe so. I'll believe that till the day I die. Of course he's doing the boogeyman for the United States. I think that like there's. Yeah, see they.
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C
Crosby's golden goal was 4 on 4.
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E
Where, where, where, where, where.
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D
That's all I hear.
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You know what though? That's. That is the truth of the matter in terms of the knowledge of some hockey fans over the borders that it's like they think 4 on 4 and 3 on 3 are the same thing. Like they're like, yeah, this is no different than these two things. So that Sidney Crosby doesn't matter. Like he is.
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Why isn't it 4 on 4, by the way?
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D
Why isn't it 5 on 5?
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C
Why neither were 5 on 5, so were both of them. Bullshit. If neither of them were 5 on 5.
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No, but I think we would agree that 4 on 4 is more legitimate than 3 on 3. Like I just think you add a
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guy, it's all the same.
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A
Here's.
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B
Everybody plays with the same.
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E
Well, here's the thing. In a hockey game, you can have a double minor where two guys are removed from the play and all of a sudden you have four on four hockey. There's no such thing as three on three hockey in a, in a regular season game. Like, it just doesn't happen. You can't go to the playoffs. You can't do it. So I do think 4 on 4 is more legit. I will say this, like, America won. They get the flowers they hung around the game, the goaltender counts. And guess what? Going into the tournament, the biggest question for Team Canada was do they have a goalie? And how do their goaltenders compare against the American goaltenders? Right now in our country we have like one thing that's viewed as a true hockey crisis. We're still pumping out the superstars, right? Like Team USA still has not. Like they can point to these Jack Hughes type players or Auston Matthews types players. They have not been able to develop the superstars. Like the kid we brought up, Macklin celebrini, he was 19 years old. He was the second best player in the tournament. They have not had a Sidney Crosby. They have not had a Conor McDavid. They have not even had, really, a Nathan McKinnon. If we're being honest, what they have done is they've completely tilted the board when it comes to goaltending. The US has probably at least six goaltenders who could have played for Team Canada.
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It's so good. Right? Very strange that that's the case. Well.
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D
Well, because Americans are unhinged. You have to be a goal.
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C
That's a great point.
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That's why.
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And you guys have a better development system right now when it comes to goaltender. And this is where I get into regional politics of Canada. Quebec didn't give us anybody for our roster. It's one of our biggest provinces. It's what they're supposed to do. That's where Patrick was from. That's where Martin Brodeur is from. And really, this is not a failing of Canada so much as it is a failing of Quebec. Like, they have not given us the French. Next goal.
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D
Blame the French.
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E
Yeah. And that's the way that I'm looking at this is like, I blame the format, of course. I. I blame not having Sidney Crosby. I'll have excuses till the day I die for that. Olympic.
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C
You guys were so happy Crosby didn't play, so that you had an excuse built in. You were so.
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Excuse.
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C
Excuse built in.
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Right from the beginning.
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C
It's not a valid excuse.
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E
Tell you right now, he didn't know. Everybody here was desperate to see him.
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A
Of course.
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C
Of course. Of course.
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As I keep saying, if John Cooper were given the choice, you can have pie in the sky. And who do you definitely want available for the gold medal game? I think it goes Kale McCarr 1, Sidney Crosby 2. Over McJesus or anyone else, I'll say you.
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No, they would still choose McDavid. Like, he's just. Yeah, he's just a different player. Like, he's so unbelievably.
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Like, games matter. Yeah.
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E
Yeah. He's got three games now. It's. Listen, someone made the Josh Allen parallel with him. And I know. Yeah, that's actually kind of.
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B
No, you're right.
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E
That's kind of a good parallel.
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B
Different kind of player. He's a loser.
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E
Yeah.
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B
Just like Josh Allen, a loser.
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E
No, but that's it. It's like, we all agree that right now they're the best in their sport. The difference is McDavid is better than Josh Allen. Like, the gap between him and the next guy is monumental. There's no trade in hockey that would be made where you're like, you traded even for Cale McCarr, even for, like, you know, some of the best players. Quinn Hughes. It doesn't matter who you put together. If you move them out for Connor McDavid, you end up losing that thing. So he's still just number one with the bullet, but he's still the guy that you wanted with the puck on his stick, like, in any big spot. And I think that he did choke a little in that game, if you want to have that conversation. Like, in three on three, he tried to make a play that was like, this is the Edmonton Oilers facing the Vegas Golden Knights in the midst of the regular season.
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A
Look who's on the ice in that three on three. That's. I'm with you largely about the argument
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C
that should have been your advantage.
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A
But I mean, that those are the three guys you have on the ice when the goal is scored is pretty wild.
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E
100%.
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A
Carmen, indulge me this and then we'll talk some free agency. I have so many things I want to get to with the two of you, and I can tell already I'm not. I'm going to get to a very.
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D
This better be a hockey question because I have things to say about three on three, too.
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A
Are you offended by his tweet in the moments following that goal? Well, I'm going to put it up here right now. I'll read it for you and the listener. Honestly, if you're an American celebrating that win, you're a casual who doesn't know puck, totally fine. Grow the game. J.D. bunkus, and he heard about it.
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D
I kept saying throughout the entire game, I was like, we don't deserve to win this game. We do not deserve to win this game. We played like dog. Can I swear on this?
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A
Sure.
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D
I was like, we play like dog shit for most of the game. And then it took the most volatile overtime period that you could possibly have, which I don't understand, for the Olympics, because, like, who doesn't want more Olympic hockey? True Olympic hockey. I want a full 5 on 5 overtime period at least before you start taking men off the ice. This is insane that it goes directly to three on three. That was absolutely nuts. And then, yeah, it becomes more volatile and it just becomes kind of like a toss up at that point where it's like a coin flip. And I don't like that. And I also was Like, I was screaming at the Americans more than anything during that game about, like, their transitions and how their goalie was literally the one that kept them in the game. So, I mean, that. That was amazing. And you talk about the goaltending development here in the States, which is awesome. But most of the time I was like, are you kidding? I was yelling at the Americans that they were lucky to not be down more for most of that game. So, yeah, the Americans got outplayed for the entire time up until when it mattered. And so I don't have really an issue saying that. But listen, at the end of the day, what matters.
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A
Thank you. Thank you, Conor Hellebung. Thank you.
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E
In terms of the tweet, Dave, you know me, so you knew what I was going for, which is. I'm trying to joke around. Of course Americans are going to celebrate that. Like, duh. Like, the idea that you wouldn't celebrate a win is crazy. I wrote that tweet sitting in the back of an Uber with my best friend, laughing about the most crybaby things that we could say. It is a crybaby tweet. It's 100% that it's me being salty. It's me trolling 100%. When Dave Portnoy starts retweeting it and I'm getting called out on, pardon my take, I'm happy.
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A
Like, this wins after all.
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E
Right, well, here's the thing is you do a troll like that because you want a kernel of it to be true, which is most people that were celebrating that game south of the border don't watch hockey. Like, they tuned in for just this hockey game. And so you're in. It's like any type of gatekeeping when you're a gatekeeper. You know, it kind of works to trigger people because there's a kernel of truth to that thing. And so you throw that out there and it gets people pissed off. And the funny thing I find about the whole, like, you don't know, puck thing or whatever, because, like, I really don't care. I think the more the merrier with hockey. And in truth, I think can't outplayed them. They should have won that game. They do have a couple of excuses, but ultimately Carmen's right. What matters is you get the win. And if Canada won three on three, we'd be celebrating it all the same. Like, doesn't diminish. It would have been the exact same thing. But what I will say is that we do the exact same chirp to each other. And I think it's the only time this has ever happened in the history of sports. Sports. If the Americans win, we say, you don't care. And if you guys win, what do you say? We don't even care about hockey. And so it's like, it's the only. Yeah, it's like it's the exact. It's the exact trip that goes both ways, and yet both sides get upset about it, no matter which side that you're on.
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A
It is funny because I said the bunk is about the tweet that. That it's sort of like, you know, and then you flip it. Austin Matthews, the. The captain for the Toronto Maple Leafs, which is the. Which is Canada's team, much like, you know, the Dallas Cowboys are America's team. So it would be the equivalent, I guess, of Dak Prescott representing Mexico and beating the US in football. Right, Carmen? I mean, you can get why the emotion?
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D
Yeah, I. I see that.
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E
And except for 40% of Canada's population lives in southern Ontario. 40%. So imagine if the Dallas Cowboys had nearly half the population of your country all congregated in one place.
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D
Well, that's the outside world. Most people think that to be fair, like, people are like, how big is Texas? It's big.
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E
It's just.
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A
What's weird, Carmen, is that most provinces hate the Leafs, Although people will push back. All right, let's talk some football here very quickly here. We can go quick on this because I want to get into. Into your personal thoughts on free agency. But let's. Let's nuts and bolts it here. Start with you, Carmen. When the dust settles, where will these guys be for the 2026 NFL season? Malik Willis.
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D
Okay. Oh, gosh. Minnesota Vikings.
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A
That sounds uninspired. You can push back on that one, Bunkus, or you can tackle Mike Evans.
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E
I want to say that I want to see, weirdly, Malik Willis. Like, I think what would be fun is him in Arizona, where it's like he replaces Kyler Murray, but he's asked to basically do the same thing. Yeah, but like, they have weapons there. And I like, he's the most interesting free agent quarterback. I guess you could make the case for Kyler, but I feel like we've seen more of Kyler, so there's less mystery there. Malik Willis is the black box, where we're like, hey, maybe this is Matt Flynn 2.0. Maybe this is actually the next Sam Darnold where he gets an opportunity and he's awesome. So I'd like to see him with the Cardinals. I also think it would Be fun to see him like with the Dolphins, like just, hey, go out and be the guy there. But I, I don't. Oh, those guys, the Dolphins fans are not.
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C
I'm not into it. I'm not into it. I would let yours ride this year out and just go full tank mode and see if you have anything there. And if not, try again for a quarterback next year. Or I'd bring in like, I would rather have Kyler Murray for super cheap than malik willis for $60 million.
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B
Honestly, I'd rather, I'd rather not do anything and just do ewers. If you're going to tank, do the full tank because Kyler Murray is good enough to win you some games that just got to tank your draft pick. So just go full ewers. Lost season. It's not like I haven't had the last 25 been lost on me anyway. So one more. Oh, it's one more going to hurt,
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A
you know, I mean, I'm still stunned that Carmen of all the available options to leak Willis, I assume he would have to be promised the gig, right, to sign there. He's not going to be like, I'll compete with J.J. mcCarthy with number nine for the starting. You would have handed it to him, which would indicate. And Carmen, you. My ears perk up when you say that because do you know something about KoC betray? I mean, what he says publicly doesn't align with I. They seem to be claiming like, yeah, JJ's our guy.
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D
Yeah, they do. But also like, what have their actions told you? Which is what? Like what I go off of, which
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A
is like, I think I'll have to make it work after Darnold did what he have to lean into it now. They do.
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D
But they also don't have a GM effectively right now. So like that's the other thing too, where I'm like, okay, what is. I guess the reason that like. And that was it's an off the wall answer for sure. But it's one of those things where I'm kind of like, all right, if you're going to root for something like chaos, I think that that's it. Because the teams are so familiar with each other. What we've seen as a trend in this division is like the inner interdivision trades. And if you look at where KFC is comfortable and who he knows well, who does he know really well, he knows about the floor and like they come from the same tree. And so I just, I think that there's something there. I don't know if it like how actually realistic it is. But I also don't think that they essentially think that JJ McCarthy's the guy anymore or like don't at all. Because firing Kwesi, Adolfo Mensah after seeing Sam Darnold get to the super bowl just, it tells me that they're like, we made a mistake.
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A
Who, who traded Luca, get him out.
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E
I thought they traded. I thought they fired him because he took Pat leave for too long.
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D
Well, yeah, that was the right, like there was, that was the concern.
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E
Right?
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D
But like that, that tells me that, like, we made a mistake. And the other part of saying we made a mistake is that we don't have that guy on the roster. Because you still believed in JJ McCarthy then don't you keep the guy that got him. Like, I, I, I that to me, there's something wrong there.
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A
There's something. You're right about that. Okay, next up, let's go with Bunk is Ken Walker.
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E
Oh, God. Can I say this is the one guy where I really want him back in Seattle. Like, I don't, I don't get why these two sides can't figure this one out.
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A
Like at $8 million, right? 7. $8 million.
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E
Well, again, like, this is a guy who, it's, it's a free agent running back and it's a fairly deep running back class. So the idea that he's going to get something like, astronomical that you just can't get off of, to me, that doesn't compute because we just saw Saquon Barkley when he hit free agency. What he got. This guy's not Saquon Barkley. So isn't he going to get something a little bit more reasonable? If you're Seattle, are you really going to use your first round pick to draft a running back and have the unknown of bringing that in? That feels like what the Chiefs kept doing after their super bowl wins and they.
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A
Snyder's not opposed to using high picks on runners.
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E
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And guess what? It worked out to the effect of getting first round running backs that had zero careers with the Seattle Seahawks. So I just want to see Walker return. This one just makes too much sense to me. Charbonnet is coming off of an injury. Why would you want to assume. And like, Charbonnet is a good change of pace back. I like him. He's a good pass blocker. There's like, there's things about him I enjoy, but I don't look at him and be like, wow, he's such a dynamic runner. He's not Going to make those plays like the game against the Niners where it's like, like you could just miss, make people miss in the hole the way that Kenneth Walker can. He's a dynamic weapon. He makes so much sense for this team. You have a proof of concept. He fits in with the room. Like, I, I just don't know why this would be. And again, I don't understand NFL free agency at all. I understand. I don't get it. I know they got to pay jsn. I know they got to pay Devin, Devin Witherspoon eventually. But as of this moment, I think that they're like sixth most salary cap in the NFL. Like they've got a ton of room.
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D
Crazy part. I can't, I can't get over the fact that the Seattle Seahawks, coming off of a Super bowl, have the six most cap space of any team. And also the fact that they're willing to let Kenneth Walker walk because I'm like, what if you have the money, why wouldn't you keep him? For all of the reasons.
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A
Very strange.
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D
Which makes me again, like, sends off alarm bells. Like, why, if you have the money, are you going after someone that you can't afford to keep him? Or like, what's, what's happening here?
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E
The only thing I can figure is that, that potentially he made a lot of noise about wanting to be a bell cow back and didn't like one
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D
of the highest paying carries.
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E
Yeah. And so he wants to be higher paid and he doesn't feel like maybe they're evaluating him as one of those bell cow backs that they're trying to pay him. Like he's a timeshare running back. But in terms of like fit, money, opportunity, what, you know, like, again, I just, I can't think of a place that makes more sense for Kenneth water. Like, what, you want to go be a Tennessee Titan and enjoy? Like, I just think Seattle Seahawks make by far the most sense for Kenneth Walker and that. God, I just really do hope that cooler heads prevail there.
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A
How say you, Carmi V. On the aforementioned Mike Evans.
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D
Don't do this to me. I want talking about it. I was like, listen, you made the case for him in Buffalo and it's a good one. I don't want to admit it though, because I don't want to see him in a uniform other than Tampa Buccaneers. But I'm biased. I've spent six years of my career there and I spent six years of my career with Mike. I adore him as a human. He is very Funny. He's hysterical. First of all, he's got the best interests. Him and I align very much on the Harry Potter stuff, and that's essentially how we bonded. His wife is actually funnier. His wife is hysterical. I love her so much. And she runs that house and she's five foot nothing, and she just runs, Mike. It's awesome. I love her to death. Beth. Ashley. But I also think that there's a stubbornness with Jason Light when it comes to Mike Evans because of the fact that that was his first ever draft pick. And Jason doesn't necessarily operate like that normally. But I do think that the Tampa is going to do whatever they can to keep him. And I also think that Mike essentially wants to stay there. He wants to finish out his career in a place that started. He's an incredibly loyal guy. And I do think that there are situations that could lure him away from there. That is Buffalo. Especially if, like, you know, now that you have DJ Moore, you add Mike Evans and you add a couple more pieces and you think, okay, this. This. This team could really be. I know we say it every off season. It's like, could really be a contender this year. This could really be Bill's year. And I think that there are some extraordinary circumstances that can lure Mike away from Tampa. But I think they would have to be just that. They would have to be extraordinary because of the fact that I know how loyal Mike is, how much that staff wants to keep him, and also that, like, I don't know that Tampa would, like, could. They don't want to lose that piece of their offense for. For myriad reasons. So I really think that Mike stays in Tampa. I truly do think that's the most likely option. But I do think that there are just. There are a couple teams that could present a really tempting case.
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A
I don't know. The dynamic about quarterbacks making receivers better than they might actually otherwise be is well known. I think Mike Evans is the number one since back to the A and M days of making whatever quarterback he has look a little bit better, because he has actually is. Which is why here's a wild card for you. You don't have to react to this. The team on the banks of the three rivers is desperate for a wide receiver. They haven't had one now. We're now in the year. Three of them not having a viable second wide receiver. I wouldn't be. So I think they're all in on Aaron Rodgers. Is that first of all, your take on that one? I'll. I'll Go with you. Bunk is for as a human being, if you happen to catch him on McAfee or elsewhere. Do you think it's a done deal
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E
that he's going back to Pittsburgh? Yeah, yeah, I do. I think that he's going back to Pittsburgh. He's going to play one more year. Which, like, I can't think of something that feels less attractive than that. Like, you've got guys in the room talking about how they're willing to put up with a year of Quinn Ewers. I. I think I would rather the year of Quinn Ewers than the year of Rogers. Like, I really do. I think that, that now, I thought that was the most depressing thing, that they were like, we're so beaten down. There's so much apathy. We've seen so many bad teams just Let us watch 17 games of Quinn Hewers throw the football. That Aaron Rodgers is actually the most depressing of the scenarios. If I'm Mike Evans, I wouldn't even take that phone call. Like, you want to go play with the mercurial Aaron Rodgers in a. On a terrible turf where Mike Evans has to deal with injury.
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A
I'm just saying that they're going to be. Don't be sur the swings. They take it.
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E
Yeah, sure, take a swing all you want. But, like, if I have hamstring issues, why would I want to go play on that turf up in the cold like those cold weather games? That's actually the argument against Buffalo is if I'm Mike Evans and I want to have a long career, I want to stay where it's warm and I want to stay where it's familiar. And also if he has a bit. Does he have a Hall of Fame case?
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D
Yeah, of course. He definitely does.
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E
Whatever reason, I don't think about him that way.
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D
I don't think that he's. He's super caught up in the longevity of his career. Just from things that he said to me, things that I know about him now. Again, money changes things. But I really think that a lot of this was him hanging on to have Jerry Rice's record. And then he ended up getting hurt. He went under the knife for the first time in his entire career because like you said, he's had hamstring issues, but he's never actually had surgery until now. And that's. I think he doesn't want to go out like that, which is why I think he'll continue to play. But I wouldn't bank on him being more like. I wouldn't bank on him being like, oh, I don't want to play there because I want my career to last three, four or five more years. Like, I don't, I don't see him playing.
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A
He's got a ring and all that. So, so what's your answer? Clearly, you're the Evans whisperer here, Carmi. Where's he going? Do you think it is Tampa?
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D
I think he's staying in Tampa. I really, I truly think that. I know I'm, like I said, I'm warning against fact and I'm biased, but, like, I really, truly think he's staying in Tampa.
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A
Where's A.J. brown? Oh, go ahead. Sorry.
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E
Oh, I was gonna say, the reason why I asked about the hall of Fame question with him is like, if you guys all agree that he's like a, he's going to go in with certainty. I do wonder if there's a value for a guy like that and the organization to just say, hey, wouldn't it be cool if you wore one uniform? Like, wouldn't it be?
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A
Yeah, like I said, if you became
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E
the Tampa Bay Buccaneer, like, the guy that we point to, it's like Mike Evans had his whole career here. It's not like our situation is one where we can't win games, like, come back and do this. That, like, because the case I was going to make for Buffalo is, does he become the first football player where they do load management, where they're just like, hey, hey, we need you for the playoffs. We're good enough to be able to get there. We'll sit you a bunch of games, we'll let you collect paychecks, we'll let you go hang out with your tiny wife and do your thing and just show up when the games matter the most and be Josh Allen's jump ball guy. But I think the Tampa thing makes the most sense.
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A
I think that Mike Evans should say, I will come back to Tampa, but only if you commit to the cream sickles for 17 regular season games. I agree. I mean, who, who, who doesn't.
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D
I don't, I don't mind their, I don't mind their uniforms now. But this is also, I, I, I started working for them during the alarm clock era of their, their uniforms. And that was horrendous for so many reasons. Nobody liked them, first of all. Not like, not even the guys. And then trying to see numbers from the press box was insane. Like, it was just the worst possible combination. It was, it was horrendous.
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A
And I was so glad that that's A. Yeah, it was, it was awful stuff. Now free agency. My pal handsome Hank Hodgson, king of international football. I forget what his title is with the NFL properly, but either way, he's always advocated for. If you're a free agent, make sure you run the gamut of all of America's best restaurants. Make sure on the team's dimes, like travel all over football America. Eat at all the best restaurants. Then announce where you're going. Don't, don't be in a rush to announce the tampering period or in the first hour. So I want to advocate for that. But where would you. And I'm going to start with you here, Carmen, if you just from a human standpoint, not football situation, but just where would you most want to play in the NFL if all options were available to you?
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E
Just.
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A
I don't mean like this team might win, but I mean I like that stadium. Like, I would never sign on a team. I would never sign with a team that would send me to go live in a dormitory for August. Like, I'd be like, well, no, I'm not. No, please. I'm an NFL football, but I'm not sleeping in, in some dorm room that isn't air conditioned. How sick?
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D
Okay, I've got a couple because of a. How I know the organization is run from just whatever and I like them and the stadium standpoint. Okay, so Philadelphia is one and I, most of my family is actually from Philadelphia. My dad is from there. So like all of his family is still in the tri State area. So I love, I love the link as a, as a stadium. It's awesome.
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A
It is underrated. I agree with you.
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E
It's sick.
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D
It is because it's just solid. It's. It's like, it's really sick. And they have the Philadelphia soft pretzels are like just from a childhood thing that I just adore. So like you get those in the press box.
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A
Second best sandwich in the state of Pennsylvania. Those, those Philly cheesesteaks.
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D
Those Philly cheesesteaks. Except the best Philly cheesesteak I've ever had actually is here in Chicago. Don't tell anybody and do not tell my family.
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A
It's done.
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D
I love Philly. I love. Okay, so Minnesota is my favorite stadium in the entire league.
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E
League.
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D
I think the game presentation and the atmosphere and even as a player, like getting to play there as a Minnesota Viking is incredible. Just like the skull chant and the fake snow that comes down and like that organization just as a whole, like the way that they like treat Their staff and everything like that is really, really good. Their facilities are really amazing. Are amazing. Like, all of that is great. Now, I think Minneapolis has a really sneaky food scene also. If we're going to, like, stay on thing of food, they have some really, really good restaurants. As someone who has.
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A
Well, you. I mean, as a human being, you eat pretty much every day. So it is.
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D
Right. And I also don't care about the cold. I don't care about the cold. I am someone that grew up in Chicago, and I would much prefer having seasons. One of those seasons being where it gets below zero and it snows and all that, like, but then you get
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A
to play in the dome, which stinks. I don't like that.
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E
But.
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D
But the stadium is really, really cool. And then on top of that, I think Baltimore is another one that I really love because again, it looks like
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A
their stadium looks like the Jawas robot move.
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D
But it's also right. It's right in Baltimore, which I think is a very underrated city.
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E
Walk up right past. It's beautiful.
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D
It's beautiful. Like, Camden Yards is an incredible venue, too, that I've been to. I've spent a sneaky amount of time in Baltimore where, like, again, great food scene right by the water more than even the Inner harbor is like that Fells Point area, which I love. And it's just like colonial America and cobblestone streets and like, really good dive bars and, like, people are just, like, out in the alleys. And I just. I love it. It's very. And then, like, well, go to Pittsburgh
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A
if you want that vibe. It's like Baltimore, but you're not by the ocean. Infinitely better.
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D
I want crabs. Okay. I want crabs. The little creatures to eat. Okay.
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A
I don't want.
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C
Clip that.
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A
No, no, too late. Clip it off.
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C
That's going in the club this week.
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D
I can't also get out of this by saying, like, I would stay right where I am, which is Chicago, Illinois, because I adore Chicago. I love this city with my whole damn heart. And I always have. I've been called away and moved all over the country because of jobs, because of work. But I've always tried to get back here. And we, Damn it, we've done it.
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A
All right?
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D
We bought a condo. We live here. My fiance works here. His studio is here. Like, I am trying like hell to stay here for, like, the rest of my life.
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A
You're not going to get to Gary. Indiana is where you're headed every Sunday. Apparently.
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D
I know that. Apparently. Either way, I. This. This City is incredible and I love it so, so much. So from a human standpoint, I'm, I'm never, I'm never happier than when I'm in Chicago.
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E
I couldn't be more different in this answer. You know, like, where are you going to go?
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D
All warm weather.
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E
I live in Canada. It's cold. I'm tired of the snow. Do you know what, do you know what a lot of Canadians do in the winter time? They become what's called snowbirds. And you know where they go live? Southern Florida. Florida. And that's where I would be going. Miami. First of all, if we're doing the stadium thing, that's the worst stadium I've ever been to. I had to wait in that, what is it, a Sonic parking lot for like two hours to wait for an Uber.
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C
Have you been since though? Because the upgrades are beautiful. It's a world class facility now.
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E
It used to be.
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B
That doesn't help him waiting.
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E
I went three years ago is the last time that I've seen a game at Hard Rock. I was there for the Lamar homecoming on Thursday night Football. Sellout crowd, parking lot. Horrible to get to, horrible to get out of. Like, again, I don't want to be in gridlock traffic because I live in Toronto. We've got some of the worst commutes on planet Earth. So I'm kind of going against that with the whole idea of playing at that stadium. But you know what my biggest takeaway was when I was in Miami the whole time. It would be really nice to have money here because I went as a middle class and I had a pretty good time. And I was like, God, look at that yacht. Look at that yacht. Look at that one. That's nice. I would like to go to one of those someday. So if I was an NFL player, I would like to go somewhere where the weather is beautiful. There's like an incredible nightlife. I could have fun, I could have an amazing car. But also there's not like a crazy pressure to win there. Like these guys are talking about Quinn Ewers. I can go out there and just have some decent stats. I'll be loved forever. Like, that's takes the pressure off.
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D
There's no state income tax, which matters.
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E
Exactly. I'm not taxed. And as a Canadian, I'm taxed out the ass. So I would like that part of it as well. But like, that piece I think is really attractive if you were a player. Like when you said Philadelphia, I'm like dead last. Jalen Hurts won a Super bowl.
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There.
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And the next year they're like, he sucks. We hate him. We hope he leaves.
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That's the caveat with Philly is the fans. The fans are so insane. And they're also well informed to media.
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In the media.
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Like, it's hard to argue with.
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I, I want to go somewhere where I can be like Lamelo Ball, where I drive around town, I create havoc and accidents, and whole city's like, that's our guy. He's got no pressure that he's here. I want to be a menace. And if I was a menace, I would want to be in South Florida. I'd want to play for the Miami Dolphins. I'd want no pressure. I'd hang out on my yacht. I'd spend my millions of dollars. I'd be at 11. I'd be doing it all. I'd have the best of times.
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Oh, man. All right, listen, I like I predicted we got to a small fraction of the stuff I wanted to cover with the two of you. Great, great stuff. I think I made a mistake. It should. Next time it'll be just Carmen Vitali or just JD Bunkus or hopefully both of them, sooner rather than later individually, but yeah, it's a fun round table just the same. Carmen Vitali, Fox Sports Radio. Track her down with my guy, Martin Weiss and beyond. Great stuff always from her. JD Bunk is Sportsnet 590 the fan, as well as the JD Bunkus podcast. Make sure you're checking out their great work. Thanks, the two of you. There they go. And here we go, too. Real quick. Please do subscribe if you haven't already, to the audio podcast wherever you find your podcast, as well as to the YouTube page. Football America doing real well. Our last episode, all about the Tarantino character draft with with Zaz and Amin. Please check that out and all the rest of it until next week. Thanks so much, my fellow football Americans. It's been a thin slice of heaven,
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Sam.