The Passing Lane Is THE LAW? | Hour 1

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: The Passing Lane Is THE LAW? | Hour 1
Date: June 17, 2026
Hosts: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, Greg Cody, Jack Le Batard, Kendrick Perkins, Tony, Jeremy

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Episode Overview

Broadcast from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, this hour of The Dan Le Batard Show dives into the shifting standards in sports journalism, credibility in NBA sourcing, and the age-old debate over personal responsibility in everyday grocery store etiquette. The cast brings both media critique and comedic banter, punctuated by memorable quotes, listener polls, and ethical "dilemmas" like the true law of the passing lane.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Erosion of Standards in Sports Journalism

(01:43–13:00)

• Dan expresses confusion and frustration over journalism’s blurred lines between fact and opinion, especially with NBA trade rumors (about Giannis and Jaylen Brown).
• Quote:
  • "When Zaslow yesterday says none of the reporters reporting on any of the Giannis stuff know anything, it seems to me, even though it feels accurate, wrong, like morally wrong..." — Dan (01:43)
• Debate over who is trusted: newspaper reporters like Gary Washburn (Boston Globe) versus TV/radio gasbags and former athletes (e.g., Kendrick Perkins, Nick Wright).
• Greg Cody defends newspapers’ traditional standards:
  • "You’re not allowed to make up sources, you’re not allowed to make shit up. You can make shit up on radio. You can make shit up on television. That’s not something you can do in newspapers." — Stugotz (02:44)
• The group laments that most sports fans defer to TV personalities for "news" due to their bigger platforms, and the resulting impact on truth in media.
• Poll discussion: Who's more credible on NBA news, Gary Washburn or Kendrick Perkins? The crew predicts the result would heavily favor TV personalities due to fame, regardless of actual reporting.

2. What Is Credibility?

(06:06–13:00)

• Tony and Jeremy point out that, for most fans, credibility splits between “who’s entertaining” and “who knows more”—blurring the lines between facts and opinions.
• Quote:
  • "When you’re giving all the money to the people who have to fill the time with rumors, with...I've got to have a hot take. What gets lost in that avalanche is there’s just no way, none, that this audience thinks Gary Washburn of the Boston Globe is more credible..." — Dan (08:37)
• Kendrick Perkins jokes about “blessing Gary Washburn’s heart,” symbolizing how serious reporters are often dismissed as boring compared to entertaining TV personalities.

3. Does Media Coverage Hurt Athletes?

(19:32–24:00)

• Is it fair to players, like Jaylen Brown, when speculation and rumors dominate the narrative—even if true reports say they're not being shopped by their team?
• Dan argues that lingering rumors can be damaging regardless of actual team intentions. If a deal isn’t quickly settled, the uncertainty strains relationships.
• Ramona Shelburne is cited as an example of rare, universally trusted reporting in the NBA.
• The Miami Heat’s situation—“all in” on Giannis—is discussed as a leverage play, highlighting how teams use media narratives as negotiation tools.

4. Hot Takes & Expert Failures: The Jalen Brunson Case Study

(23:36–26:31)

• Montage of pundits (Nick Wright, Kendrick Perkins, etc.) blasting the Knicks’ Jalen Brunson signing—takes which have since aged very poorly.
• Quote:
  • "Given the result, given what you just saw happening in the NBA, my guess is that you can’t do that to any player who’s ever won a championship in free agency." — Dan (25:24)
• Gary Washburn’s conservative, “non-hot-take” style is contrasted with outrageous TV opinions.

5. Everyday Ethics: Shopping Carts, Shelves, and Unwritten Rules

(31:46–44:34)

• Debate shifts from media to everyday behaviors: Is it wrong to leave your grocery cart anywhere or to put unwanted items back on the wrong shelf?
• Jack Le Batard confesses putting canned corn by greeting cards if he changes his mind—a metaphor for rationalizing laziness as “job creation.”
• Quotes:
  • "If it can’t be ruined, it can go anywhere I’m at in the store... Just from the cart to the nearest shelf." — Jack Le Batard (35:17)
  • "So you’re putting a can of creamed corn next to the toilet paper and paper towels?" — Greg Cody (35:23)
• Poll ideas:
  • Is it a worse offense to leave your shopping cart or to leave an item on the wrong shelf?
• Mount Rushmore of minor “immoralities:”
  • Not picking up dog poop
  • Driving slow in the passing lane

6. Is the Passing Lane THE LAW?

(39:45–44:00)

• Is going fast in the left lane a law or just courtesy? Surprise: In some places, it is legally a passing lane.
• Quote:
  • "The left lane is indeed legally a passing lane... If you see a car approaching faster than you, you have to move over to the right lane." — Jeremy citing Tampa P.D. (42:10)
• Poll idea: Left lane: law or unwritten rule?
• Return to shopping cart sadness: It's not against the law to abandon your cart, but is it immoral? The cast debates whether selfish is the same as immoral.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Stugotz:
  "It pays to be loud wrong. Like, it’s not like television. You can get it wrong all the time. The standard isn’t dying, it’s dead." (05:00)
• Greg Cody:
  "It's the lowest form of selfish behavior." (44:23, on not returning carts)
• Kendrick Perkins:
  "Bless his heart, Gary Washburn might be a great guy, but he might be kind of boring. That's why he's not there with Kendrick Perkins. That's why he's writing in the Boston Globe." (09:37)
• Dan Le Batard:
  "Nobody cares about journalists as much as journalists do." (12:16)

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Important Timestamps

• Credibility in Sports Media: 01:43 – 13:00
• Is "Bless His Heart" an Insult? 13:07 – 19:18
• Media Narratives Harming Athletes: 19:32 – 24:00
• The Great Jalen Brunson Hot Take Montage: 23:36 – 26:31
• Everyday Ethics (Carts & Shelves): 31:46 – 44:34
• Passing Lane Debate: 39:45 – 44:00
• Selfishness vs. Immorality: 44:12 – 44:34

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Tone & Style

Light, fast-paced, and satire-rich, the hour blends media critique with self-deprecating humor and group therapy disguised as heated debate. The hosts are unafraid to lampoon themselves and the sports media industry, while also poking fun at daily life “crimes” like grocery cart abandonment.

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Summary for Non-Listeners

This episode is a classic mix of Le Batard’s skeptical view on sports media’s integrity, peppered with the show’s love for polling their audience on everything from NBA trade rumors to whether not returning your shopping cart makes you a bad person. With big laughs, audience call-outs, and a little surprising legal trivia (yes, the passing lane is often actually a law), it’s an hour that both holds the sports media to account and holds a mirror up to listeners’ own everyday rationalizations.

Transcript

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You guys know if you've been listening to a while for a while to this, that I'm like perpetually confused about some of the things happening in journalism. So when Zaslow yesterday says none of the reporters reporting on any of the Yanis stuff know anything, it seems to me, even though it feels accurate, wrong, like morally wrong for a bunch of

[Stugats]

people in journalism to be talking about

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

this at all times and to leave

[Stugats]

you with the impression that nobody talking

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

about anything has any expertise or information that's real. So I want to know who you guys trust.

[Stugats]

When Gary Washburn of the Boston Globe says flatly, the Celtics are not shopping.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Jaylen Brown this is a reporter for a newspaper. I know, Greg and I.

[Stugats]

If somebody does it for a newspaper

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

because of where our standards are, we know that stuff has to be vetted.

[Stugats]

We know that stuff has to be accurate. You know, you're not allowed to make up sources, you're not allowed to make Shit up. You can make shit up on radio. You. You can make shit up on television. That's not something you can do in newspapers. So for me, when a newspaper reporter says that, I tend to believe it.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

But I think Greg and I are

[Stugats]

in the minority on this. I don't think most people, when I say Gary Washburn of the Boston Globe, says flatly, the Celtics are not shopping Jaylen Brown. And then I see all over television, here's why Jaylen Brown should be hurt. Here's why he should be insulted. Who's got it right?

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, Dan, this is why. I do believe that my explanation for why I said that yesterday, that you. That these people, they don't know anything. My. My rationale for that is because like you said on tv, people are saying something different. I think that this is the only story right now in the NBA Finals are over. This is the story, and it's going to carry us for the next week until the draft. And if your employer looks at you and says, what do you got? This is the big story. Do you have any rumors? Do you have any intel? Do you have any sources? You got to come up with something.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Not rumors. It's not supposed to be rumors.

[Dan Le Batard]

I know.

[Greg Cody]

I. Look, I don't know this reporter, but I do know the reputation of the Boston Globe. It's one of the greatest papers and one of the greatest sports sections in American print journalism, if there's any of that left. But I also know that sometimes a reporter's best source misleads. Sometimes you talk to an agent, and the agent has his ulterior motive for what he's telling you. I'm not saying that's the case here, but it can be the case a

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

lot of times when I'm talking, though, about the erosion of standards all the time around here. And I want to ask you guys this because it's a silly little thing in sports, but we are in a misinformation time. We are in a time where it's getting more and more confusing to know what's true on the Internet, what's a fact and what's not a fact. I'm just curious what the audience does with Greg. And I know, because we come from newspapers, the consequences and danger of getting

[Stugats]

things wrong in a newspaper. It's not like radio. Colin Cowherd says it pays to be loud. Wrong, like, it's not like television. You can get it wrong all the time.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

The standard is different, but the standard

[Stugats]

is one that no one cares about anymore. The standard isn't Dying standard is dead. So when I ask you who's got the right information on what you care about most, that's the best story in sports, the biggest story in sports. Who's got the most credible information? What do you do with the fact that Greg and I are over here

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

on an island saying, well, I believe newspaper reporters. But when I say to this audience, Gary Washburn of the Boston Globe, they

[Stugats]

all say, no, Kendrick Perkins knows more or less, Gasbag X knows more, or Nick Wright knows more, or nobody listening to this, I think, says Gary Washburn of the Boston Globe is more credible than all of these people who have bigger, better platforms with more reach. And in the erosion of that standard, truth gets lost. Like it just evaporates.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is it as simple as. And Gary Washburn, by the way, very credible NBA guy. All right. Is it as simple as Gary Washburn doesn't have to fill up time. The guys on television, your show's happening no matter what from this time to this time, every day, Monday through Friday, this show is happening whether you have information or not. So you better have some information.

[Greg Cody]

Right, But I just mentioned, sometimes your source is an agent who has an ulterior motive. Sometimes your source is with the team that wants a certain message put out there. Okay, if the Boston Celtics want to put out there that they're not thinking of trading Brown, then maybe they feed that line.

[Dan Le Batard]

But don't those reporters isn't from experience. Can't they usually, like, they understand what you're saying? Right, right, right.

[Greg Cody]

They do. And normally you'd have more than one source on a story of this size. But the other thing is this is it can be a very fluid story. Like what is written one day can become not true two days later because circumstances change.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

I'm asking you, though, you're offering me all the qualifiers. And what I'm telling you, Greg, is no, you can't go to print with what a source says if you haven't verified it and think it's a lie. No, the standard that you're talking about

[Stugats]

right now, you're lowering it to where

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

I'm saying the standard has been all

[Stugats]

of my life on reporter, not columnist, not opinion person.

[Greg Cody]

Right.

[Stugats]

And this is a distinction I don't

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

think most people make.

[Stugats]

I don't think that the grand majority

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

of people listening to this make any

[Stugats]

sort of distinction between the person who's in a newspaper who's giving you facts and the person who's on television giving you opinions.

[Jack Le Batard]

I think most diehard sports fans know that difference. I Think the casual sports fan 100% thinks what Nick Wright is saying is just as informed as reporters. But I do think the diehard sports fan can tell the difference between a guy giving opinions on TV and the guy who's breaking.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

So if I. You think if I asked this audience right now, that the polling's gonna go well for Gary Washburn of the Boston Globe? If I put him against any.

[Jack Le Batard]

Over Kendrick Perkins, who do you trust more to break news in the NBA?

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

No, no.

[Stugats]

Who's more credible?

[Greg Cody (Inner Monologue)]

Not.

[Stugats]

No, not break news. Who's more credible? Their information is correct. When you start skewing the lines between facts and opinions, and you give the bigger platforms and the bigger rewards to the people who are giving opinions, facts get lost. They get drowned. When you're giving all the money to the people who have to fill the time with rumors, with. I've got to have a hot take. Like, what gets lost in that avalanche

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

is there's just no way, none, that this audience thinks Gary Washburn of the Boston Globe is more credible than Chris Broussard, then Nick Wright, then Kendrick Perkins.

[Greg Cody]

Bam.

[Stugats]

Out of the bayou.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do you think so? Really?

[Stugats]

I believe that. Do you guys think I'm wrong?

[Dan Le Batard]

I think to an. I think you're wrong to an extent. Maybe you're underestimating the audience a little bit there. Like, maybe the super casual, like, really uninformed fan says, hey, that guy's on television. He must know the most. But I don't think you're giving the audience enough credit in that.

[Greg Cody]

My vote, my credibility vote would go to Washburn in this case with very little hesitation. But I also acknowledge that Kendrick. Chances are Kendrick Perkins has a good friend who knows Jaylen Brown very well, more so than Washburn does. You know what I mean? Like. Like Kendrick Perkins probably has more inside information in terms of knowing somebody who knows Jaylen Brown directly.

[Kendrick Perkins]

The problem becomes that the facts guy are usually boring, and you don't put them on tv. The hot take guy is the entertainment of what you want to watch, Gary, you know, God bless his heart, Gary Washburn might be a great guy, but he's. He might be kind of boring. That's why he's not there with Hendry Fergus. That's why he's writing us all on the Boston Globe. Dan, I think the thing that skews it and goes back to your original point. Thank you, Chris. Is if you put Boston Globe in parentheses on the poll, I think people will be like, oh, okay, yeah, I get that. If you put Gary Washburn, nobody Knows who that is. Respectfully.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Put it on the pole. Put it on the poll. Who's more credible. Wait till you see how this one comes back.

[Stugats]

Who's more credible? Gary Washburn of the Boston Globe. Kendrick Perkins.

[Greg Cody (Inner Monologue)]

Bam.

[Stugats]

Out of the way.

[Jack Le Batard]

But I feel like we could word that differently.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like.

[Jack Le Batard]

Like cred. Just the blanket statement of credible. I think you're gonna win. But if I put who's. Who do you trust more on NBA news?

[Tony]

Yeah.

[Jack Le Batard]

Kendrick or Gary Wash. Not the same thing. I'm telling you, though.

[Jeremy]

You just, like, those are different things.

[Jack Le Batard]

No, but blanket credibility. Because it's just like, oh, he played in the NBA. He's got to be credible on the NBA. If we're talking about breaking news, I trust your information.

[Dan Le Batard]

But credibility on what? Like, credibility on. On, you know, what to buy. Like who?

[Jack Le Batard]

Like who played better today. Okay. Obviously, Kendrick's more credible.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Store.

[Stugats]

Yeah. Who's. Whose information is more accurate. Yeah. How can you defend that? You jumped up. How can you defend that? You jumped up in the air with what you thought was an analogy, and then you just said, what do you mean?

[Tony]

Like the produce section.

[Stugats]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Or just got more credibility picking the apples that, you know, I just saw.

[Stugats]

Right. The melons. Zaz jumped up in the air for an alley oop. He grabbed the ball and threw it out of bounds like he did not have any idea what to do.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's got more credibility picking the bananas at the bruises. That's important.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

The avocados that aren't ripe enough. The fact that we don't know what facts are anymore. That. That part is skewed the idea. And I know, Greg, that you and I are going to be biased about this, and I'm not going to lament it anymore after this inside of this segment. But the fact that the person watching this, that Zaslow saying to me, dan, you're underestimating the audience here. What I'm doing is actually talking about people I've Talked to over 30 years who don't care about newspapers the way I do. And I'm always sort of marveling that they don't make a distinction between what the columnist does and what the beat reporter does.

[Stugats]

That nobody care. Nobody cares about journalists as much as journalists do. Nobody thinks about this stuff very much at all. So when I tell you, Kendrick Perkins, if he tells you Jaylen Brown is going to be traded, and if Gary Washburn tells you, or rights, Jaylen Brown is going to be traded, I believe that we've gotten to the point now. It's taken A long time that more of the fans believe Kendrick Perkins, just because he's got the louder microphone, the

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

louder megaphone than of the Boston Globe.

[Stugats]

That means something to me and Greg that makes Roy make dinosaur sounds when we talk about poor Gary Washburn of

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

the Boston Globe and I want to

[Stugats]

put her on the poll, please, at LeBatard show. Bless his heart. Gary Washburn, yes or no.

[Jack Le Batard]

Might be great.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Tony, I've never heard you say that. You know the. You preface a point you're making with a bless his heart.

[Kendrick Perkins]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Why did Gary Washburn, of all people

[Stugats]

you've ever talked about, why did you bless his heart?

[Kendrick Perkins]

Because, you know, bless his heart like

[Dan Le Batard]

you don't even know him.

[Kendrick Perkins]

I don't know him like I pictured him kind of like a Greg Cody.

[Dan Le Batard]

Can you bless someone's heart that you

[Stugats]

know, I do enough.

[Greg Cody (Inner Monologue)]

But why?

[Stugats]

But why? It's a good question by Z. Okay, I want to know what you think you were avoiding by sending blessings toward the heart of Gary Washburn.

[Kendrick Perkins]

I just wanted to throw that in the beginning just in case if I came down hard on him, I had the blessings on the front end.

[Jack Le Batard]

It's the same thing as the Broussard. And all these sounds of like, oh, spoiler. A good coach, great place, but don't go there just undercutting everything you say right before.

[Kendrick Perkins]

It's just like I was going to call him. Not entertaining. Not knowing him, he might be great

[Dan Le Batard]

at blessed his heart.

[Kendrick Perkins]

So I blessed his heart on the front end. Kendrick Perkins doesn't need the blessing of his heart. He's entertaining, he's good. I don't have to worry about it.

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[Greg Cody]

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[Tony]

Tony, you know that moment at a party or at a tailgate where everything

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

just sort of clicks?

[Kendrick Perkins]

I know it. Well, it's usually when I show up, everybody goes crazy.

[Tony]

Yeah, you usually take all the credit for it, but it's because Tony usually walks in the. With Cuervo.

[Kendrick Perkins]

Walking like this.

[Tony]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cuervo is a thing that turns hanging out into this is the night.

[Kendrick Perkins]

It has that effect on people.

[Tony]

It does. You usually take the credit for it, but again, it's the Cuervo effect. It's like that moment in a big game where everyone in the crowd just starts standing up, hooting and hollering.

[Stugats]

Keep it, Cuervo.

[Kendrick Perkins]

Keep it cuervo, baby.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Don LeBatard.

[Greg Cody]

I want to address Tony and all men who would wear that shirt in public.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Stugats don't do it. This is the Don lebatar show with the stugats.

[Greg Cody]

I condone Tony's blessing of the heart of Washburn. You know, if Washburn's in the room here and sneezes, I bless him.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Here's why I don't condone the blessing. This is the reason I don't.

[Kendrick Perkins]

You're anti blessing his heart.

[Stugats]

I am.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

And I'll tell you why.

[Stugats]

I'm against the blessing of the heart of Gary Washburn. And I've got conviction about my stance here.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

I will not bless the heart of

[Stugats]

Gary Washburn because that's pity. You put in a costume. That's insult. You condescended Gary Washburn. You pitied his heart as weaker than your heart and said, God bless it. My heart's better. That was an insult that you disguised as a God blessing.

[Kendrick Perkins]

That's how I get the dollar back from the cashier.

[Stugats]

But then you got a penny. You did fraud where you took a penny from the cashier by confusing the person with the math. And what you just did was you blessed the heart of Gary Washburn and you covered it in pity. And he doesn't want your pity.

[Kendrick Perkins]

He might be a great reporter and I think he is. He may not be an entertaining guy on tv. That's why I gave the blessing on the front end. Hey, bless his heart. He's not as exciting as Kendrick Perkins on tv. He might be at parties. He might bring the wine and bring up have a great time.

[Stugats]

I don't know.

[Jeremy]

That's Tony knowing and viewing himself as more entertaining than Gary Washburn. That's what that is. It's not just Kendrick Perkins. It's. I know I'm entertaining, so I've got to dish out some pity there to good old Gary Washburn speaks the truth.

[Greg Cody]

He would want a blessed heart.

[Greg Cody (Inner Monologue)]

Thank you.

[Stugats]

Not wrapped in pity. He doesn't want Tony's pity. Why does Gary Washburn want Tony's pity?

[Greg Cody]

I don't hear it as pity.

[Stugats]

It is.

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[Greg Cody]

Blessings.

[Stugats]

Is it pity or is it not pity?

[Dan Le Batard]

It's. It's definitely not. Not pity.

[Stugats]

Not.

[Kendrick Perkins]

Not pity.

[Jeremy]

Put it on the poll. Who's more entertaining, Tony or Gary Washburn? Also, who's more credible? Two separate polls.

[Kendrick Perkins]

He's setting me up both, by the way. He's setting me up for both.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

To the larger point around all of this stupidity when you can't trust that the information is accurate. Is it fair in any way Fair in any way for Jaylen Brown to experience as the part of doing business that everyone is considering whether or not he's being shopped.

[Stugats]

Even though if Gary Washburn and his

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

blessed heart are right, the truth is

[Stugats]

they're not shopping Jaylen Brown. If that is indeed the truth and we are making a bunch of content out of it. Does that seem fair to you in any way?

[Dan Le Batard]

No. And this is also why I believe this deal is going to be done very soon. Because the longer that you keep this out there, the longer that the Celtics continue to poke around, you know, and see if we can get a deal done without even including Jaylen Brown. The longer it goes on, the further away you get from being able to keep Jaylen Brown moving forward next season. Because it's like, hey, you are considering this way too long before you decided you love me and want to keep me. And it's why I think this deal is going to happen soon.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Ramona Shelburne is. Is credible. Y. Yes, everyone comes from writing. Her information is almost never wrong.

[Stugats]

She says that teams around the league

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

believe Jaylen Brown being available is just speculation. Quote what I've heard from teams around the league. It's just more speculation. I think the Boston Celtics would tell you that they love Jaylen Brown. All this is is leverage, though. All this is is a moment of maximum leverage. If I were the Heat, this would all make me wildly uncomfortable, because the most desperate team in this equation is the Miami Heat in terms of just sheer desperation. They've been out there for a long time bothering Tyler Herro and anyone who's on their team, because they're like, yep, it would appear even though we don't say anything, we're all in on Giannis.

[Stugats]

You know that.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

We are thinking about Giannis. All of the reports say that. And their offer, whether it's been the same or not, hasn't been good enough for the Bucks for many, many months.

[Dan Le Batard]

I disagree with you.

[Stugats]

I don't believe that they would have

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

made the trade if the offer was good enough.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, I don't believe that. Because Milwaukee. Milwaukee was not in a rush to make the trade. Milwaukee knew if they waited till the end of the season, at the very least, we get an extra draft pick out of Miami.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

But now they're still waiting because they're

[Stugats]

waiting to see if the offer can be made better by anyone like that. Otherwise, they would have already taken the offer. Why wouldn't they already? They would have already taken it. If they weren't saying no, this offer, we might settle for it. But this offer, the way that it is, no, we're going to see what else comes in we have time to see what else comes in.

[Greg Cody]

But Milwaukee owns the grand prize right now. They're. They're not incentivized to rush their decision. They have time because the offers will if there is competition, if Boston really is in this with Miami, there's. The longer they wait, the better the offers are going to get.

[Dan Le Batard]

Milwaukee's deadlines, Draft day, right? That's like. So, yeah, I'm with you. They, they're in no rush until Tuesday of next week. That's the deadline.

[Kendrick Perkins]

And for everybody talking about the Miami heats package and Khalil Ware and Hakas and Tyler Hero and all the picks and stuff, if you're talking about a non Jalen Brown trade for the Boston Celtics, you're talking about Vucevich, you're talking

[Jack Le Batard]

about Derrick White, Richard, it's not good.

[Kendrick Perkins]

There's nothing there.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

No, it's got to be with Jalen Brown or it doesn't work. Like, that's the reason are talking about it and that's the reason that there's a difference between all of the reporting. But when we talk about the opinion makers and you just heard Wilbon crush Giannis and you heard an assortment of others get very forgetful about what this player is, I will just remind you that we still have this sound from all of the experts as it regarded Jalen Brunson going to the Knicks.

[Stugats]

Jalen Brunson ended the answer.

[Kendrick Perkins]

It's an awful idea.

[Stugats]

And for what? To go all in in hopes of signing Jalen Brunson. And by the way, he's not a one.

[Kendrick Perkins]

I'm not even sure he's a real two.

[Greg Cody]

And I worry that they're going to, they're going to look at Jalen Brunson. They're like, wait, we spent $27 million a year on this.

[Stugats]

I think the Thunder are going to destroy them.

[Kendrick Perkins]

The saddest sweepstakes ever. The Jalen Brunson sweepstakes.

[Jack Le Batard]

Is Jalen Brunson One of the 10

[Kendrick Perkins]

best point guards in basket?

[Jack Le Batard]

Maybe he's 10.

[Stugats]

I don't think he's top 10. I mean, he might not be top 14.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

I don't think this is a move that puts them into playoff contention.

[Stugats]

It's got to be something in addition to Jalen Brunson, but it is not

[Kendrick Perkins]

going to be the type of player that elevates them into contender status.

[Stugats]

But I mean, do we think Brunson

[ShipStation Advertiser]

is a guy that is going to bring them to a second round playoff series? He's not.

[Stugats]

I think the Thunder are going to destroy them.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, Kevin Durant is playing basketball

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

in New York City, and you're just,

[Stugats]

like, talking about, can we get Brunson? I think the Thunder are going to destroy them.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

The Knicks are acting like he's kd.

[Stugats]

I'm going to repeat Jalen Brunson.

[Kendrick Perkins]

I heard a lot of voices in there. One in particular that had some bad takes.

[Dan Le Batard]

Are you thinking the same as I am?

[Kendrick Perkins]

I am. And I'm thinking of the guy on

[Dan Le Batard]

the count of three, let's say it. One, two, three. Nick. Yep.

[Kendrick Perkins]

Guy had some bad takes on Brunson, and we got to listen to him now about Giannis not being able to go to the Heat.

[Jack Le Batard]

Good timing, dad.

[Kendrick Perkins]

He's very close to getting banned, Dan. Closer than he was last time, that is.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

In terms of voices and resume, a

[Stugats]

who's who of everyone got that shit really wrong. Like, that's. That is nuts. Given the result, given what you just saw happening in the NBA, my guess is that you can't do that to

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

any player who's ever won a championship in free agency.

[Stugats]

My guess is that we will not

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

be able to find a library of sound that is quite that damning in any sport.

[Stugats]

From that, I. That's just a who's who of voices you recognize that just got it all spectacularly wrong. Everybody there was saying that Brunson could only be what we've already seen him be, which is no better than the second round.

[Greg Cody]

One voice I didn't hear there who was spectacularly wrong. I didn't hear Gary Washburn's voice.

[Dan Le Batard]

Because his heart was blessed.

[Kendrick Perkins]

You're welcome.

[Greg Cody]

This is hard.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

What do you mean, because his heart was blessed? His heart was blessed after that.

[Stugats]

That's not because his heart was blessed. You were just trying to make a.

[Dan Le Batard]

You don't know that.

[Stugats]

You were just trying to make a heart as blessed. Joe's going, you heard Gary Washburn, and it didn't have anything behind it.

[Dan Le Batard]

You don't know when that montage was made.

[Greg Cody]

That's right.

[Stugats]

I do know when it was made.

[Dan Le Batard]

You saying Roy can't get it done that quick.

[Stugats]

You blessed the heart of Gary Washburn again because you just wanted to go back to that joke, even though you didn't have anything behind that joke.

[Greg Cody]

It's a good joke.

[Stugats]

It was a good joke the first nine times that we made it. You went back to it, and you could have made it. Well, but you did not. Kind of like Jeremy did that toast at the end of the first hour.

[Jeremy]

Come on. Everybody loves some sleep. Dan, I know you love sleep.

[Stugats]

You toasted. You toasted. Sleep a good night's sleep.

[Dan Le Batard]

Got to get my 12 hours. Wemby goes to bed at 9.

[Stugats]

We have to do the product placement better than that.

[Jeremy]

That was a real thing. I would have said whether there was a toast or not. Shout out to Cuervo.

[Stugats]

We have to do. You have to get better at the product placement there. You toasted. Sleep well beyond the clock's expiration on our hour because you just forced in a read and then you gave it a broadcaster's cheesy schmarm on it. A toast. It's just how I talk.

[Jack Le Batard]

No, that's not so heavy handed.

[Stugats]

No, that's not. I am heavy handed, Jeremy. It's not how you talk. It's how you talk on television. Yeah, what are you talking about, Dan?

[Dan Le Batard]

I never overact.

[Jeremy]

All right, enough.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

It's not how you talk.

[Jeremy]

And I get paid the medium bucks to do that.

[Jack Le Batard]

All right, let's hear you, Marlins fans. Let's do it.

[Jeremy]

All right, now we're too close to the bone.

[Stugats]

We're going babies in the air.

[Jeremy]

That was authentic, folks.

[Jack Le Batard]

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[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Don Lee no one else here is

[Stugats]

willing to do a Trump or a Biden.

[Kendrick Perkins]

That's not true, Dan.

[Stugats]

Okay, Tony, you can catch a thousand impersonations.

[Greg Cody]

That's not bad, man.

[Home Depot Announcer]

Finally.

[Dan Le Batard]

Terrible.

[Stugats]

Pretty good stugats.

[Kendrick Perkins]

Yours is terrible.

[Stugats]

You just got to get a little

[Jack Le Batard]

redder, a little pinker. You're right there, man.

[Stugats]

Yours is not that. You're biting me.

[Tony]

What do you mean?

[Stugats]

Oh, his is good.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's actually not bad.

[Stugats]

That's not terrible.

[Jack Le Batard]

We gotta come together.

[Kendrick Perkins]

A little Southern, little bush, a little

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

George Bush in that One. This is the Don Levatar show with the stugats. Greg, I want to admonish you for what I believe to be bad news. Parenting your son Christopher Cody, while allegedly an adult. But actually one of my boyfriends is somebody who doesn't know how to behave in some very easy circumstances. And I don't know if Chris Cody has gotten more criticized for any behavior. I don't know if you have a top five list of behaviors that you've been criticized for around here, but him leaving the shopping cart, wherever it is that he wants at the grocery store without taking it back has gotten him very criticized. Do you do that?

[Greg Cody]

I try not to.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Okay, so you do do that.

[Greg Cody]

No.

[Stugats]

No.

[Jack Le Batard]

You can say no.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

You can either do it or you don't know.

[Greg Cody]

That's not true.

[Stugats]

Unless he could be in the middle. You can't be in the middle on this.

[Greg Cody]

If I park sometimes, if I park next to the corral and it's convenient for me to bring it back, Jack, I'm a bring it back. If I park, you know, 100 yards away from the corral. I'm sorry, I'm not committing a felony here. These people who act like it's the ultimate sign of every bit of disrespect to leave your shopping cart, why do you think they hire corral rangers to go around the parking lot and bring in the carts? It's the smallest thing to be worried about. It's less than a misdemeanor, Greg.

[Kendrick Perkins]

Imagine if you're. It's raining. You barely make it out. It's raining. You barely make it out. You finally get to the car, and what, you're gonna go over and you're gonna put it all the way back?

[Dan Le Batard]

That's right.

[Kendrick Perkins]

Crazy.

[Greg Cody]

That's right.

[Jack Le Batard]

I'm telling you, dad, I'm telling you, the Internet will not let you live this down. I said this, like, six years ago, and once a week, I still get a tweet about it.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm a float out a theory. I'm not saying that I agree with this. I'm floating out a theory. I'm taking the temperature of the room.

[ShipStation Advertiser]

Okay.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is it possible that the guy or girl who has to go get the carts, you know, that they actually like when the carts aren't all in the same spot? Why? Because it takes more time, and that's closer to getting off.

[Greg Cody]

Bingo. 100%.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Okay. Useful rationalization for bad behavior. And I make it right. It doesn't make it right. But I haven't even actually gotten to My point, because I think this is the second most egregious of your son's offenses. And I want to see if he learned this from you, because you tell me which is the worst offense. I'm gonna ask this of the audience, and I'm gonna ask this of Zaz, because I can't believe that your son does something that I believe is worse

[Stugats]

than the behavior that I think he's

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

been most criticized for by our audience. Your son puts back grocery store items that he takes off of the shelf wherever he is in the store, if he no longer wants them, he puts it wherever.

[Jack Le Batard]

That's right. Now, I have one caveat to this. I have one caveat to this. If it can raw, if it can, like, if it will get ruined by staying out. Milk, eggs, something refrigerated, that I'm not a monster. But if I have like a can of creamed corn and I get the wife from my. A text from my wife, hey, we got the cream corn. You don't need it. That thing's going back on whatever aisle I'm at.

[Greg Cody (Inner Monologue)]

Good point.

[Jack Le Batard]

Just if it's.

[Stugats]

Point.

[Jack Le Batard]

If it can't be ruined.

[Greg Cody]

Wait a minute.

[Jack Le Batard]

If it can't be ruined, it can go anywhere I'm at in the store. It's going from the cart right to the nearest shelf.

[Greg Cody]

So you're putting a can of creamed corn next to the toilet paper and paper towels.

[Jack Le Batard]

Zagak.

[Kendrick Perkins]

Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

That ain't right. That's not right. I defended you on the shopping cart.

[Jack Le Batard]

What's better here? Because there's a couple options here. There's going all the way back to where you got it from, which is just a. Just a ridiculous thing to expect.

[Greg Cody]

Possible three aisles.

[Jack Le Batard]

The other move is you go to the checkout lane and you just kind of like say, acceptable. I just don't want this acceptable. And then they take it.

[Greg Cody]

That is acceptable. That's the way to handle it.

[Jack Le Batard]

Yeah, but for me, it's just. I like to have a cart that I know I'm getting everything in it. I don't want to have this cream corn, this can of cream corn in my cart for the next seven aisles if I'm not actually going to get it.

[Greg Cody]

Okay. Having said that, I used to be friends with a store manager, a grocery store.

[Jack Le Batard]

What happened to the friendship?

[Greg Cody]

They moved. They moved to the mountains in North Carolina.

[Stugats]

Thank you for that follow up question.

[Greg Cody]

Anyway, it's a valid question. I could give you a name if you wanted, but.

[Stugats]

Yeah, well, you usually do. And so whatever happened to your friendship

[Greg Cody]

with Blank, they moved to the hills of North Carolina. But I want to tell you this because it's informational, based on what he said. As supermarkets hire people whose job it is to go collect stray shopping carts. Supermarkets also assign someone every day with a shopping cart to go up and down every aisle and look for that corn next to the paper.

[Jack Le Batard]

Creating work.

[Greg Cody]

Yes. So there is somebody assigned to remedy a situation created by Chris.

[Jack Le Batard]

Imagine how boring that person's job would be without me.

[Greg Cody]

I know, but you see it all the time. They find it fulfilling.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Great, great rationalizations, all of those. Like, imagine how bored they would be also. You know what you can do? You could just make it. I'm not actually doing anything wrong.

[Stugats]

I'm leaving treasures all over the grocery store for.

[Kendrick Perkins]

That's how I look at it now.

[Jack Le Batard]

You got the right idea for a

[Stugats]

person to find fulfillment in their work that they didn't previously.

[Jack Le Batard]

That's how you got it.

[Greg Cody]

You're creating a job for people.

[Jack Le Batard]

What's this corn doing over by the greeting card?

[Stugats]

It's job creation. Just. I want to understand what you think you're doing. That's not immorality. You think you're creating jobs so you're good for capital. You're creating fulfillment and happiness for someone who might be in an unhappy job. And you're just burying treasures all over the grocery store.

[Jack Le Batard]

Imagine that person that's doing that classic greeting card peruse where you're just standing about three feet back from it and you're just looking at all the cards. Which one am I getting? Mother's Day, birthday. And all of a sudden you're scanning your eyes and you see a can of cream corn. Come on. That's good, clean fun.

[Kendrick Perkins]

The slots are small. They are fit.

[Jack Le Batard]

The cream's a tough fit.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm telling you. I think the person who collects the carts, if they see that there's a cart on the other side of the road, I think they're excited. I'll go get it.

[Jack Le Batard]

I'm going to take 10. I got this one.

[Stugats]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

You pop in your airpod, you listen to a little bit of music, you take some. I'll go get that across the street. Oh, wah. Chris Cody didn't put it in the special place of the cart. I'm excited about this. This is an adventure.

[Greg Cody]

Yes. And I'm going to take it one step further.

[Jack Le Batard]

Do it, dad.

[Greg Cody]

I'm going to leave a can of creamed corn in the shopping cart that I leave in the parking lot. That ain't Right.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

He got his catchphrase wrong. That ain't right is not one of his catchphrases. I have a number of different poll questions.

[Greg Cody]

It isn't. Who said that?

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

At Lebatard show, would you ever leave a can of creamed corn where the Mother's Day cards are? That's first.

[Stugats]

Okay. Because that is aggressive, what you've just said. Like, I imagine you taking a can and putting it with other cans that aren't where that can. It's more confusing. No, but what you're doing now is if you're putting it over near the cards, if you're not, like, you might as well put it in the bathroom. Like just throw it on the floor. I mean, I don't. If you're putting it near the cards, you keep getting more and more cards. But I want to do a couple of these as poll questions.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Okay. At Le Batard show, worse offense, leaving

[Stugats]

your shopping cart wherever you want or

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

leaving the can of creamed corn wherever you want. In the grocery store.

[Jack Le Batard]

I had a couple other doozies on my Mount Rushmore of bad things if you wanted them.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Okay.

[Jack Le Batard]

So it's not picking up my dog poop. I've said that.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

I've.

[Greg Cody]

That ain't right.

[Jack Le Batard]

Done that in the past. And I've also made the argument for, you know, there's no law that I have to go fast in the left lane. Like, it's just like an unwritten rule.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't know. That's true.

[Greg Cody]

That ain't right.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, it's literally called the express lane.

[Jack Le Batard]

I'm talking about on the highway without an express lane, that left lane.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Well, but I don't think it is a law. You can't go 45 miles an hour.

[Stugats]

Right.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Like, if you can't, you got to

[Stugats]

go at least 55.

[Greg Cody]

There are minimum.

[Jack Le Batard]

There's a minimum in all the lanes, though. My, my point is, is that it's an unwritten rule. The left lane thing. I don't. See, this is one of those things where I've made the argument for it. I go fast in the left lane. But I just. I'm not going to get mad at somebody if they're go. I'll just go around them. Like, I. It's unwritten rule. It's not an actual rule. Left lane.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, I totally disagree. If somebody's going slow in the. In the fast lane, that's really annoying to me.

[Dan Le Batard]

You try and run them off the road.

[Greg Cody]

Well, not quite to that point, but. But I'll go past them and give them one of these.

[Stugats]

But I.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

But I think Chris is right. I think this is an unwritten rule. I don't think it's actually law. I think it's a courtesy. Put it on the poll as well. And I still have to get to the other poll question at Lebatard show. Going faster in the express lane. Left lane, left lane in the left lane. Law or unwritten rule? Because I think that's an unwritten rule. I don't think that's a law. And also put on the poll at Lebatard show, does the shopping cart gatherer, when he sees a cart across the street, think of it as an exciting adventure? Because this is what ZSAS is claiming, that this person in their job doesn't necessarily get a whole lot of fulfillment from their work, but the ability to go make themselves useful by finding a stray cart makes them more fulfilled in their employment.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'll tell you what. I think the next time I go to the supermarket, I'm going to do that guy a favor. I'm going to put the cart in my SUV's trunk. All right? After I undo the groceries. And then when I leave the shopping plaza and I'm on the road, I'm just going to push the cart out of my car.

[Greg Cody]

A good idea by you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Visual.

[Greg Cody]

Great idea.

[Jack Le Batard]

There's not a lot of things tougher to lift by yourself than a shopping cart.

[Greg Cody]

Anybody guess how much a shopping cart costs? Because I happen to know they're gonna say way.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

How do you happen to know.

[Stugats]

Get the happen to know music.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

How do you happen to know this? And Jeremy, have you found for me whether this is a law or an unwritten rule?

[Jeremy]

I have Officer Roy of the Tampa Police Department explained on Good Day Tampa Bay that there's no speeding one way or another. That changes there. But the left lane is indeed legally a passing lane.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

So if you're driving a certain speed limit and you see a car approaching faster than you, you have to move over to the right lane.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

Do you think anyone's ever been pulled over for that? Do you think that that's an enforce?

[Jeremy]

They should do it with the semi trucks. If you're a semi truck driver and you're driving on the turnpike with just the two lanes and you're driving just as fast as the semi truck that's

[Dan Le Batard]

going in the right lane.

[Stugats]

I.

[Jack Le Batard]

You're doing the thing again, Jeremy.

[Jeremy]

It's ridiculous.

[Stugats]

A toast to that, sir. We all heard it.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

You need to call it out every time it happens. We need to start shock Therapying him. We do like because. Yes. When he's performing and nosy.

[Stugats]

Good day to you, sir. Good day, Tampa Bay. Is that a good name?

[ShipStation Advertiser]

Atleast?

[Kendrick Perkins]

Great name.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's a great name.

[Jeremy]

Come on.

[Stugats]

Is Good day, Tampa Bay.

[Greg Cody]

Here's another thing. Here's another thing. It is not against the law not to return your shopping cart to the corral. If a cop sees you doing that, he's not giving you a ticket. No, because it's not against the law.

[Jack Le Batard]

No one said that was against.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

It's selfish and immoral, but it's not immoral.

[Greg Cody]

Again, really immoral.

[Jack Le Batard]

My real take on this years ago was I think there's a lot of people that do it and then do what you're doing of like, I'm gonna judge you. That was really my take is that I don't think it's this, like, crime to do it. I'm like my dad. If it's convenient, I'll put it back. But I'm not gonna. If it's like crazy if some parking lots just don't have a corral, I'm

[Dan Le Batard]

telling you, I might wait a couple of blocks as I leave the plaza and then push the car.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

I need to talk more about this, but just to make some clarifications. Okay. Because yesterday Zaz called me on something I wasn't prepared for. When he said, what's the difference between Jaylen Brown being hurt and being insulted? And what I'm thinking to myself is that you can be hurt without being insulted, but you're unlikely to be insulted without being hurt. That was the distinction that I'm making when Greg Cody says to me, immoral. Immoral. I said it was selfish and immoral. You say no to immoral, but you say yes to selfish. Isn't selfish an immorality? Like, isn't it immoral to be selfish?

[Greg Cody]

There are so many things higher on the immorality list than what you're talking about.

[Stugats]

Agreed.

[Dan Le Batard (Host)]

There are a lot of things higher on the selfish list. But you'd agree it's selfish. You didn't object to selfish, right?

[Greg Cody]

Yeah. I don't think it's mildly selfish. It is. It is the lowest form of selfish behavior.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is it because you, in fact, are selfish but don't want to believe that you're immoral?

[Greg Cody]

I'm not immoral.

[Stugats]

That is why, though. That's got you, though. That is why. You taught him this. You taught him this.

[Greg Cody]

I didn't. What do you think I'm holding? I'm giving a seminar on. On shopping cart behavior. Yes, I taught him that. No, he walks, man, doing his own thing.

[Stugats]

He didn't need the seminar. He learned. He learned by just the others.

[Greg Cody]

They all learned from me.

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