C&R - "Am I Crazy...or Didn't You Quit"

Summary

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The Dan Patrick Show: C&R - "Am I Crazy...or Didn't You Quit"

Date: January 29, 2026
Hosts: Steve Covino, Rich Davis, Dan Beyer, with the crew (Danny G, Sam, Spot)
Network: iHeartPodcasts and Dan Patrick Podcast Network

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Main Theme:

The episode centers around dramatic (and often comedic) "I quit!" moments in sports and real life, sparked by news of Cleveland Browns defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz storming out after being passed over for the head coaching job. The hosts riff on memorable resignations, reactions to being overlooked, and the line between professionalism and temper tantrums—both in sports and everyday work life. Discussion branches into coaching candidates, NFL gossip, and infamous public outbursts.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Jim Schwartz's Meltdown in Cleveland (02:48 - 13:47; 14:41 - 17:18; 25:02 - 27:48)

• Trigger Event

  • News breaks that Jim Schwartz, the Browns DC and respected defensive mind, was passed over for the vacant head coaching position in favor of Todd Monken. Schwartz reportedly made a big scene, said his goodbyes, and left the Browns facility angrily.
  • Covino: "He did act like a bit of a sports baby. Big baby Schwartz, Matt199 said. But he pieced everybody out. That’s kind of awkward now." (05:18)
  • Rich: "That was my indicator. Yep, that was my indicator. Like, yo... I’m out. And Kavino and I always said that in our career, like, if they’re—if they’re looking for a fun lifestyle sports show and they pick someone other than us, then we got to go somewhere else." (19:25)

• Discussion

  • The crew compares Schwartz’s meltdown to classic sitcom moments (like Costanza’s fake quit/re-hire in Seinfeld).
  • Parallels in everyday workplaces: stories about dramatic walkouts, and how quitting in a huff rarely works out, but remains memorable for witnesses.
  • Dan Beyer notes that Schwartz did, in fact, have interviews and was considered a serious contender, arguably making the snub and reaction even more embarrassing:
    • "In fact, when I left work yesterday, there was a lot of momentum going towards this is going to be Jim Schwartz’s job." (29:18)

• Why It Matters

  • The situation illustrates how common it is to be pigeonholed as suited for a specialty, not leadership—especially in coaching. Schwartz is viewed as an elite DC but not head coach material, echoing cases like Wade Phillips or Robert Saleh.
  • If you’re passed over where you are, that’s often the sign to leave:
    • "If he’s with the Cleveland Browns and there’s a head coaching vacancy and they say we’re not going with Jim Schwartz, then he hit his ceiling in Cleveland." (16:03)

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2. Workplace Meltdowns: Art Imitating Life (05:41 - 13:01; 20:13 - 21:06; 22:01 - 22:34)

• Seinfeld & Larry David Parodies

  • Covino: "Is that Costanza over there? What are you doing here? What, am I crazy? Or didn't you quit?" (06:03)
  • Rich: "And that’s based on a true story. Larry David quits SNL… and apparently it worked. So maybe Jim Schwartz comes back tomorrow. He’s like, ‘Hey, what’s up, guys?’" (06:24)

• Real-life stories:

  • The hosts and listeners share stories of people quitting dramatically (slamming down equipment, storming out of restaurants, even dragging chairs with them) and how these moments become office legends.

• Notable Quote:

  • Covino: "He started dragging the chair through the restaurant. He’s like, ‘You know what? I’ve had enough of this.’ … Because of the embarrassment of the moment, it sort of lightened the mood." (08:28)

• Movie Parodies:

  • References to Half Baked, Jerry Maguire, and other over-the-top, storm-off moments in pop culture.

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3. Feeling Overlooked: Advice & Reality (14:41 - 17:18; 19:07 - 20:09)

• Career Advice:

  • Getting passed over is often a sign to move on and seek that "next step" somewhere else.
  • Covino: "I hate that idea of you have to leave and make your mark and then come back." (17:18)
  • Rich: "If they're looking for a fun lifestyle sports show and they pick someone other than us, then we got to go somewhere else." (19:25)

• Sports Parallels:

  • Coaches often have a ceiling in one organization and need to depart for fresh opportunities.
  • Dan Beyer: "If it was some John Harbaugh or something like that, maybe he could live with it a little easier." (14:58)

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4. Sports Temper Tantrums & Quitting Spectacles (20:13 - 22:34; 25:33 - 26:24)

• Antonio Brown’s infamous exit, managers flipping bases, and Bobby Knight’s rage:

  • Covino: "Antonio Brown was one of the best ones looking back. I mean, clown behavior for sure. But you’ll never forget it. ... If you’re really done, that might be the best way." (20:13)
  • Rich: "Why is the go to… everyone says they want to take a poop on the boss’s desk. Why is that—" (20:46)
  • Covino: "You get to a certain level, you have to conduct yourself at a certain level." (22:34)

• Notable Listener Call-Out:

  • Rob in San Antonio: "That minor league manager… he went ballistic and threw the hand grenades. That’s Philip Wellman." (26:33)

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5. Schwartz’s Career in Focus (13:51 - 14:54; 25:33 - 25:42)

• Track Record Review:
  • Schwartz had an unremarkable head coaching record (29–51, five seasons with the Lions, only one winning season).
  • Praised as an elite defensive coach—maybe not suited for the top job.
  • Direct comparison to Wade Phillips: "Some people are just better at a specialty." (25:33)

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6. Behind-the-Scenes on Coaching Searches (29:08–32:39)

• New Information from Dan Beyer:
  • Conflicting reports on whether Schwartz was seriously considered or officially interviewed (and how ownership, not football people, made the call).
  • "Ownership went over the heads of front office and their search committee in choosing Todd Monken over Jim Schwartz." (29:44)
  • Browns hired "the older offensive guy" rather than the up-and-coming or defensive-minded candidate. (32:39)

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7. Lessons on Communication & Ambition (27:48–29:08; 28:23)

• Make Your Intentions CLEAR
  • Covino: "Did he make it very clear to ownership that he wanted that job? I assume he did."
  • Rich: "If you don’t make it clear, there’s no confusion, because… in relationships, dating… in work, like, ‘Oh, I didn’t know you were interested!’" (28:41, 28:50)

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8. Other Headlines and Upcoming Topics (38:33-40:54)

• Bill Belichick’s Hall of Fame Snub

  • Tom Brady defends his former coach publicly (33:30).
  • Covino introduces the question of whether voters are cowards, fair, or making a point about morality (“cheating is cheating”).
  • Rich introduces a third option: "Maybe it’s a power trip." (39:48)

• Sports News Updates

  • NBA trade deadline discussion.
  • Tyson Fury “comes out of retirement” (36:03).
  • College basketball quick hit (37:12).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Schwartz’s Reaction:

  • "He feels overlooked and undermined and mad about the whole situation." — Steve Covino (03:37)
  • "He did act like a bit of a sports baby. Big baby Schwartz..." — Covino (05:18)

• Pop Culture Crossover:

  • “Is that Costanza over there? What are you doing here? What, am I crazy? Or didn’t you quit?” — Covino (06:03)
  • “That’s based on a true story. Larry David quits Saturday Night Live. And the story goes... just pretend it never happened. Apparently, it worked.” — Rich Davis (06:24)

• On Workplace Drama:

  • “His coat got caught on the chair... so the chair is dragging with him. Because of the embarrassment of the moment, it sort of lightened the mood.” — Rich Davis (08:28)

• Sports Parallels:

  • “Antonio Brown was one of the best ones looking back. I mean, clown behavior for sure. But you’ll never forget it.” — Covino (20:13)

• Career Ceiling Wisdom:

  • “If he’s with the Cleveland Browns and there’s a head coaching vacancy and they say we’re not going with Jim Schwartz, then he hit his ceiling in Cleveland.” — Covino (16:03)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Jim Schwartz Story Start: 02:48
• Seinfeld/Larry David Quitting Parody: 05:52–06:24
• Relatable Quitting Stories: 07:44–09:47
• Antonio Brown outburst reference: 20:13
• Schwartz’s Record Discussion: 13:51–14:54
• Listener Call – Minor League Manager Meltdown: 26:30–27:03
• Coaching Search Drama, Ownership vs. Front Office: 29:08–29:44
• Making Your Ambitions Clear: 28:23–29:08
• Belichick HOF Snub & Speculation: 33:30–34:27, picks up again 38:33

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Summary Takeaways

• The show uses Jim Schwartz’s dramatic "I quit" (or did he?) as a springboard to discuss broader themes of frustration, feeling undervalued, and the comedy/tragedy of workplace meltdowns—both in sports and real life.
• Both hosts stress the importance of self-advocacy, reading the room, and knowing when it’s time for a change (versus burning bridges in a tantrum).
• The episode is rich with sports anecdotes, pop culture references, tangents about office politics, and calls from the audience that reinforce the universal themes of ambition, disappointment, and professionalism.
• Listener interaction and humor give the episode an energetic, conversational feel.

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For those who missed it:
You’ll be entertained by sharp sports insight, relatable work-life commentary, and a comedic deep-dive into quitting—whether in the NFL or in your local deli. The episode is a blend of sports radio, sitcom nostalgia, and practical advice for when to move on and how not to go out in flames.

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Transcript

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[Dan Beyer]

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[Rich Davis]

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[Steve Covino]

I. Rumpus is right. I saw. You know who I saw today?

[Rich Davis]

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[Steve Covino]

I saw that, too. I was gonna say Nicki Minaj was all over the news. They would her Rumpus, but that's a whole other story. We're gonna take you back way Back on a Wednesday to 1986. On this day, something tragic and memorable, yet memorable, happened. On this day. We're gonna talk about that. Rich is watching a new show, and let's just say it involves a superstar athlete's mom, and he has a thought on that. We got to talk. Belichick and I know Stu Gotz was talking about it all day, but it's a huge story.

[Rich Davis]

No diggity. No doubt.

[Steve Covino]

But, Rich, this Schwartz story is sort of funny.

[Rich Davis]

And Schwartz, you say?

[Steve Covino]

Yeah. May the Schwartz be with you. After the Browns informed defensive coach Jim Schwartz this morning, they were passing him over to hire Todd Monk, and he just heard Dan Beyer talking about it as head coach, Schwartz apparently was visibly upset. And when I say visibly upset, I imagine steam coming out his ears. He said goodbye in the building. He was like, peace out, Cub Scout. And he told all the other coaches.

[Rich Davis]

Is that a direct quote? Peace out, Cub Scout.

[Steve Covino]

Well, I'm improvising a little bit, Rich, using my imagination.

[Dan Beyer]

Sources say he said, peace out, pig snout.

[Steve Covino]

I was.

[Rich Davis]

Thank you, Danny.

[Steve Covino]

Danny. I was close.

[Dan Beyer]

That's from a Cleveland Brown source.

[Steve Covino]

Peace out, pig snout. And he says, get this, though this is true. He tells the other coaches he's not coming back. That's. According to sources, Schwartz is currently under contract with Cleveland. They want to retain it, but his future is now unclear. Get this, get this. The defensive coordinator since 2023, he's still supposed to be on the team, but he already sort of made a scene. And it's kind of an interesting story again. Todd Monkin is back. He was the offensive coordinator for the Ravens, and even before that, he was the offensive coordinator with the Browns in 2019. So he has history with the Browns. He's now the head coach, but Schwartz is like, I'm not having it. He feels overlooked and undermined and mad about the whole situation.

[Rich Davis]

I'll say this the same way. Mike McDaniel is known as an offensive mind.

[Steve Covino]

Right?

[Rich Davis]

Mike Mcdaniels. You're like, yeah, I would love to have that guy run my team, but maybe not as a head coach. He's an offensive guy. Dan Byers. It's safe to say Jim Schwartz is one of those guys that any team would beg to have him be the dc, but maybe not the head coach.

[Dan Beyer]

I think that's fair. I do think that he does rub some people the wrong way. So I don't know if it would be every team. But to your point about being a head coach versus defensive coordinator, kind of in that realm that you're looking at it. Yeah. Yeah. I think that he's best suited probably as a defensive coordinator.

[Rich Davis]

In fact, Brandon, who works here, one of our buds, big Niners fan, like I am, he's like, how do you replace Robert Sala?

[Steve Covino]

You.

[Rich Davis]

You strike while this guy's mad and say, yo, Jim Schwartz, come to the Niners. A guy like that could get the Niners defense back on track.

[Steve Covino]

And he feels wanted, and that seems to be what motivates the guy. He just wants to feel wanted and desired and not overlooked. And, of course, he was in the moment. He just got this news. But he did act like a bit of a sports baby. Big baby Schwartz, Matt199 said. But he pieced everybody out. That's kind of awkward now. Do you think he's gonna come back?

[Rich Davis]

Well, you know what?

[Steve Covino]

It does make you think of, like, other moments, which. Where you just saw people lose their. Lose their ass, lose their cool at the workspace, and just bounce.

[Rich Davis]

Reminds me of a classic Seinfeld episode.

[Steve Covino]

I know.

[Rich Davis]

Spot, and I was Sam. And the Seinfeld fans know this, but remember when George quit and then he just went back to work and pretended that it never happened?

[Steve Covino]

Is that Costanza over there? What are you doing here? What, am I crazy? Or didn't you quit? When? What, that.

[Rich Davis]

Are you kidding? I didn't quit.

[Steve Covino]

You took that seriously?

[Rich Davis]

Oh, how funny. And that's based on a true story. Larry David quits Saturday Night Live. And the story goes. Larry David's roommate's like, yeah, just go back into the writer's room tomorrow and, like, just pretend it never happened. He did that, and apparently it worked. So maybe Jim Schwartz comes back tomorrow. He's like, hey, what's up, guys?

[Steve Covino]

But you know who that's awkward for the people he said goodbye to, because I'd want my. I'd want my goodbye back. Like, dude, you said goodbye on. On Wednesday. I'm not. You know, if you. All right, so you know what? If you do ever quit or after this season, you get fired, I'm not gonna say goodbye again. We already went through this. It's a little awkward. So a lot of people hit this up. Rich saying that he's just better. A lot of coaches are just better at offensive or defensive coaches than head coaches. He's just not head coach material. But who wants to hear that before they even get the chance? You know what I mean? We've all been told what we're good at, and not everybody was right along the way. Rich, were you ever put in Your place by a boss because they thought you couldn't do whatever, and you proved them wrong along the way. I mean, how do we know that just because he is a great defensive mind doesn't mean necessarily he can't be a good head coach? All right, but anyway, are there other examples Larry David style that come to mind?

[Rich Davis]

I mean, I've seen people get fired up and walk out, and then you wonder, well, like, because you don't know sometimes, like, are they coming back? Dude, our video guy spot, a couple years ago, I think it was around the time Spot, you started taking, like, testosterone shots or something. Do you remember you walked out of our podcast. You slammed down your stuff and just left.

[Steve Covino]

I remember it. It's on video somewhere if you guys want to look for it and do a deep dive. Patreon.com Covino and Rich.

[Rich Davis]

I mean, Spot, was there a part of you that's like, I'm not coming back, or is it just a little. Little hissy fit at the time?

[Steve Covino]

Little B fit? I mean, I didn't want to leave you guys hanging because you can't function on your own. Oh, thank you, papa. You didn't really mean that.

[Rich Davis]

Thanks, Dad. I didn't mean it. I worked with a guy in New York once, our buddy Ryan. We were at a breakfast. He did not like how the boss criticized him. And he was like, I'm out of here. And it was even more embarrassing because his coat got caught on the chair at the restaurant. So he started dragging the chair through the restaurant. He's like, you know what? I've had enough of this. I don't. You can't tell me how to do my radio show anymore. He gets up, his jacket's caught, so the chair is. Is dragging with him across the restaurant.

[Steve Covino]

You really making a statement like that?

[Rich Davis]

And I think because of the embarrassment of the moment, it sort of lightened the mood. And we're like, all right, relax. Come back. Sit down. Like, you know. But I wonder if had his jacket not get caught, would it have been more of a dramatic, you know, later.

[Steve Covino]

That's a one way to not take.

[Rich Davis]

You seriously is to have your jacket caught and then you drag it out of the restaurant.

[Steve Covino]

Like, that's the most comical way to exit. You showed the boss you made your point, man. He's furious. Reminds me of a old Mitch Hedberg joke. He's like, yeah, I got into a fight, got into an argument with my girlfriend in a tent. Did you ever hear that one, Rich?

[Dan Beyer]

No.

[Steve Covino]

He's like, a tent is A terrible place to get into an argument because you can't slam the flap. He said he tried to slam the flap on his way out. And it just really doesn't leave the impact.

[Rich Davis]

I've heard other people talk about how since we've gone from house, you know, landlines to smartphones, hanging up on someone younger people will never know the joy of like. Yeah, well, f you, like, slam the. Like, what do you Slam the phone. You aggressively do either point your finger, hang up. Like, there's no slamming the phone anymore either.

[Steve Covino]

He's just like a loose cannon. Some people have, you know, bigger tempers than others. But he really just was furious to hear this news because when you. When you do things like that, you've truly had enough. I want you to.

[Rich Davis]

Camino, I want you on a way back Wednesday to imagine that sound of a phone slamming that you haven't heard in years. Like just when an ex. An ex girlfriend or someone, you would. You would just hear that like it was a legit, like, yo, oh, she's mad. What's now, like, the phone. Hello?

[Steve Covino]

Hello.

[Rich Davis]

Like, it's just. The phone just goes dead.

[Steve Covino]

That's it. Yeah, it's just that. Yeah. Really no impact. But again, if you just joined us, Jim Schwartz, well, he was overlooked. At least he feels overlooked. And the Browns are going with a new head coach in Todd Monken. He's not vibing with it. And he left, he said goodbye and he stormed off. So what's going to happen again? As the news story goes, his future is unclear. He's still under contract. But it does make you think of, like, Scarface from Half Baked.

[Rich Davis]

F you. F you. You're cool.

[Steve Covino]

F you. I'm out. You know, And Steve, is that a. Isn't that like just basically a recreation.

[Rich Davis]

Or parody of Jerry Maguire?

[Dan Beyer]

He's like, who's coming?

[Rich Davis]

Kind of. He's like, who's coming? Who's coming with.

[Steve Covino]

He's got the foolish.

[Rich Davis]

I guess it was a little different. Yeah, I heard. I heard Jim Schwartz held up a goldfish. That is a true story.

[Steve Covino]

I heard.

[Rich Davis]

Right.

[Steve Covino]

But that's what makes it so funny because it's. It's art imitating life. Right? But I feel like we see it more in art, more in movies than we actually do in real life. How many times in your life have you seen this? You're there at the office and some guy just loses it. Rich. And I have one story that comes to mind where we're in the studio and, you know, one of the programmers called up an old producer of ours and yelled at him or whatever. The kid. If you. If you remember our old producer, Sammy Rich, he threw the chair down. He started throwing stuff and stormed out of the studio. Like, those are memorable moments. But in our 20 years of working together, it happened once. And we've worked in several different offices. We haven't seen anyone storm off.

[Dan Beyer]

So that's what.

[Steve Covino]

It's a really funny story. I mean, not to him, but if you can imagine what the scene was like, like, what a big baby. It's never fun to be overlooked or feel that way. That's not my point.

[Rich Davis]

Have you ever.

[Steve Covino]

About his reaction.

[Rich Davis]

Have you ever seen someone at a restaurant or like, old cafe or deli quit? Have you ever seen someone quit? Not at your job? Like, you just happen to see it.

[Steve Covino]

Go down again more in movies.

[Rich Davis]

Like, I saw someone once at, like, a New York City little, you know, like a little coffee breakfast spot, getting a fight. He took his apron off his little. Little, you know, pastry, little apron deal, slammed it down. He's like, f this, I'm out of here. And he hopped over the counter and left. And I'm like, oh, damn.

[Steve Covino]

You have to, like, deep dig deep into the memory just to pull out that story. But again, I think he's in a really awkward situation now, being that he said goodbye to the other coach and I'm sure the other faculty, the security guy, the parking dude, he bounced. I don't know if he took a box with him or what, but he left in anger. And you have to imagine. And again, I'm speculating that he and Todd Monkin, if he were to come back, are gonna have to have a conversation about why he feels this way. Right. So he did act like a big baby, but these are big opportunities. No one wants to be overlooked, like I said. But what are your thoughts on Jim Schwartz storming out of the facility? Todd Monkins, the new coach, and any other examples of you just.

[Dan Beyer]

Hello.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah. Witnessing things like this firsthand.

[Rich Davis]

I do want to give it a little context. Jim Schwartz, obviously overlooked. But if you do look at his career as a head coach, he got five seasons with the Lions, and the one season he did have a winning record and went to the playoffs, I remember they started really, really good, and then he, you know, sort of tailed off. But as a head coach, Kavino, 29 and 51, he had a 2 and 14 season, 6 and 10, 10 and 6, 4 and 12, 7 and 9. And historically, if you look at Jim Schwartz, a great defensive mind. Van Baltimore Ravens Linebacker coach, Tennessee Titans defensive assistant, linebacker coach, defensive coordinator for the Titans after he had his little chance as a head coach in Detroit. Buffalo Bills defensive coordinator, Eagles defensive coordinator, Titans defensive assistant and then coordinator again for the Browns.

[Steve Covino]

So he's 20, 23. Yeah.

[Rich Davis]

I look at it from his perspective. He's like, listen, I've proven myself time and time again defensively. Am I going to get another shot? Because he's seeing guys getting third shots. So does Jim Schwartz even deserve a second chance?

[Dan Beyer]

And remember, he's watching another coordinator get the head coaching gig.

[Steve Covino]

Exactly.

[Dan Beyer]

So if it was like some, you know, John Harbaugh or something like that, maybe he could live with it a little bit easier.

[Steve Covino]

That's. That's a good point. Yeah. So Ravens coordinators getting the head gig, why not him? I mean, but let's be real. How many people in real life feel over? Everybody feels that way, acting that way. I don't really think ever gets you the job you want. People just talk about you behind your back and they say, get a load of this guy. He thinks he deserves it. What a big baby.

[Rich Davis]

I know everybody feels that the job market. Camino is tough. Right. No matter what you do for a living. But traditionally speaking, in the world of any career, if you get overlooked for something, that's usually indication number one to start putting that resume out there, start making those phone calls, even if it's a lateral move. Here's the deal. If the. If he's with the Cleveland Browns, look at it this way. If he's with the Cleveland Browns and there's a head coaching vacancy and they say we're not going with Jim Schwartz, then he hit his ceiling in Cleveland.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah. If they're not going with him now, when the opportunity's there, it's going to be a long while, if ever. See, I can't say never, because Todd Monkin was a coordinator with the Browns in 2019, the same way six years later, he got the opportunity.

[Rich Davis]

The same way you talked about early on in your career when you were at kroc. You were really great young rock on air talent, but they looked at you as the young guy. And if they were never going to really give you the gig, you had to eventually be like, yeah, I got to go somewhere else.

[Steve Covino]

Because that was the sentiment. Right. You got to go out and get your experience somewhere else and then maybe come back.

[Rich Davis]

But look, it's also Cleveland Cove. It's also Cleveland. Where. What is the. If you had to say there was a redeeming quality of the Cleveland Browns. Wouldn't you say it's that. Well, you know, their defense kept them in every game even though they stunk. That's a credit to Jim Schwartz. Defense, fantastic. That was the one. Thumbs up. So if you're Jim Schwartz, if you say, I'm out of here, Fu, fu, you're cool, I'm out. There are, I would argue, double digit, double digits, teams that would say, yo, let's, let's figure a way to get this guy on board defensively and then maybe you go from there to a head coaching job, but to stay in Cleveland.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, I hate that idea of you have to leave and make your mark and then come back.

[Rich Davis]

I don't think that's always the case, Cove. But if you get always the case.

[Steve Covino]

Cause everybody makes their own path in life. But there's a lot of truth to. I remember.

[Rich Davis]

I remember when I worked at Hot 107 in Syracuse.

[Steve Covino]

It was just 107 before you got there.

[Rich Davis]

I heard, I got there and they're like, now it's Hot 107.

[Steve Covino]

He is so hot, so hot. So, so hot right now. Rich is like Hansel right now.

[Rich Davis]

I remember Danny. And listen, Danny, you remember your old school days of even music radio, there'd be a vacancy and they'd be like, yeah, there's an opening for the new night guy. And when you're in your early 20s, mid-20s, like being the night guys, like, that's like the spot, right?

[Steve Covino]

Yeah.

[Dan Beyer]

Usually the Saturday night house party guy on the weekend gets the night gig. Yeah.

[Rich Davis]

Like you want to be on like 6 to 10pm or 7 to 11, like you're the night in old school radio. The night guy was like the cool guy. And I remember the night did the club events. Yeah. The nighttime opening got some girls. Like, it was. That was the spot. Right? You wanted to work at the nighttime spot when you were 22. I remember there was a nighttime opening at Hot 107. I was like a weekend guy filling. Like I was. I thought I was like the. I thought I was next. And much like out of a TV show or a movie, we had a programming meeting. The whole staff is there and they're.

[Steve Covino]

Like, and you know what?

[Rich Davis]

We're also going to announce the new night guy. And in my mind I'm like, I'm about to stand up and be like, hey, thanks everybody.

[Dan Beyer]

You don't think they would have talked to you about it prior to the meeting?

[Rich Davis]

And in my mind I'm like, they're going to announce it right now. I'm the man. All right, well, here at Hot 179, we have a new night guy starting Monday. Whatever. And I'm thinking they're gonna be like Rich Davis. They're like, Matt Johnson. I'm like, Matt Johnson.

[Steve Covino]

Matt Johnson's a dweeb.

[Rich Davis]

I'm like, but you know what?

[Steve Covino]

Think about if you acted like Schwartz did, how lame that would look.

[Rich Davis]

No, but you know what I did? I didn't storm out like Matt Schwartz, but I immediately was like, I'm out of this place. I'll work here, and I'll stay in point until I figure it out. But that was my indicator. Yep, that was my indicator. Like, yo.

[Steve Covino]

Here'S what they think about you.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, I'm out. And Kavino and I always said that in our career, like, if they're. If they're looking for a fun lifestyle sports show and they pick someone other than us, then we got to go somewhere else. Because that's like, I get.

[Steve Covino]

I get overlooked.

[Rich Davis]

I just think.

[Steve Covino]

But there's a way to handle yourself. This. This is like the epitome of a hothead. This is hothead, baby behavior. As funny as the outside looking in. But you know what the best one is? This is like, second in recent history.

[Rich Davis]

But coach Danny G And Dan Byer, and I would say I'm like, I'm a little familiar with Schwartz for some reason. I don't know why. I always found them fascinating. We'd all agree he is cut from that, like, hothead often. Not really like, by other teams.

[Steve Covino]

Right. You still gotta act like a professional.

[Rich Davis]

I know, but it's sort of in his.

[Steve Covino]

It.

[Rich Davis]

It tracks as they say. It. This doesn't shock me.

[Steve Covino]

Okay, but one that stands out. And I got to give props to Willem in a crider green 4877 on the chat Covino and Rich FSR live chat on YouTube. Antonio Brown was one of the best ones looking back. I mean, clown behavior for sure. But you'll never forget it. You know, there is some beauty in going out like that. If you're really done, that might be the best way. We all had fantasies like that, right? I mean, if I ever quit this job one last day, oh, man, what I'm gonna do to the boss's desk before I leave. Why does everyone.

[Rich Davis]

Why is the go to. Everyone says they want to take a poop on the boss's desk. Why is that like me?

[Steve Covino]

Because you do sometimes. That's why. And that's exactly what I was thinking. I would never do that. But I've dreamt about it. But the AB thing, like, of course, he's unhinged and unleashed, and that was so memorable. Imagine just dipping off on the field like that. He went out on his own terms.

[Rich Davis]

I mean, there's obviously, you know, probably more than speculation that Antonio Brown is a troubled guy, right?

[Steve Covino]

Oh, yeah.

[Rich Davis]

But in that moment, though, when you're like, did he just take his jersey off? He's shirtless, hyping up the crowd, walking out of the game. This guy's a lunatic.

[Steve Covino]

I think he just quit. So, yeah, that's the update, guys. He was. He's passed over. And, Rich, I think you made the best point.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah.

[Steve Covino]

That's the writing on the wall. So take a good look at it and read it. That's your sign. Not just his signature. That you got to move somewhere else, move on to get that opportunity. Unfortunately, that's just how things work.

[Rich Davis]

Do you put objections in the same category? That's not getting fired. That's more temporary. But how do you feel about when a manager or coach, quote, gets their money's worth? Like, when, like, a member, like, Wally Backman's, like, thrown bases around or like a Lou Pinella or.

[Steve Covino]

Baby, hilarious, but in reality, embarrassing. Here's the difference, right? When I think of Wally Backman or that famous clip of some guy throwing, like, fake grenades.

[Rich Davis]

He'S doing an army.

[Steve Covino]

Crawl, some minor league coach. I forget who it was, you know? Yeah. As a spectator, as a fan, as a guy who just likes a funny viral video. Yeah, that's great. But imagine if that was your dad or your husband or someone you're related to. That's just embarrassing behavior. Like you. You get to a certain level, you have to conduct yourself at a certain level.

[Rich Davis]

Gotcha. All right, well, hey, that's Kavino. I'm Rich. We got the whole crew here. Our dude, Danny G. I was Sam, Dan Byers, spotty boy. We got midweek, major. We're gonna talk about Belichick. We're gonna talk about the anniversary of a really tragic event at 86 and. And think about where you were 40 years ago. We'll get to all that midweek, Major, like I said, give away some prizes. An action pack Wednesday. Love hanging with you guys here at Fox Sports Radio. More next.

[Steve Covino]

Hey, it's Ben, host of the fifth hour with Ben Maller. Would mean a lot to have you join us on our weekly auditory journey. You're asking, what in God's name is the fifth Hour? I'll tell you. It's a spin off of the Ben Mather show, a cult hit overnights on fsr. Why should you listen? Picture if you will, a world where we chat with captains of industry in media, sports and more every week. Explore some amazing facts about human nature and more. Listen to the fifth hour with Ben Ma on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Yeah, it's the CNR show, baby. It's good and nice. Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. Live from the Fox Sports Radio studio, we got super producer Danny G. Sam Byers spotty on the videos, getting ready for midweek major the biggest stories in sports and pop culture. We do it every Wednesday. Yeah, but you join the video and watch me pick my nose on covino and Rich FSR on YouTube at Covinoenrich FSR. I'm still on the east coast making my way back west right after the show. And man, I can't believe we're heading to Santa Clara on Sunday bringing you all the super bowl coverage come Monday. So pumped about that. Thank you Fox Sports Radio for being a part of it. Remember, your next success can begin sooner than you think. Put your goals within reach at University of Maryland global campus and accredited state university. Apply now and see with no application fee. Classes start February 11th. Learn more at UMGC edu.

[Rich Davis]

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[Steve Covino]

You think Jim Schwartz only had the dry peace today and he was just, you know, different level of angry.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, that would explain the fu. Fu. You're cool. I'm out. Allah. We said Jim Schwartz, George Costanza. If you remember this classic Seinfeld.

[Steve Covino]

Is that Costanza over there? What are you doing here? What am I crazy or didn't you quit? When?

[Dan Beyer]

What?

[Steve Covino]

That?

[Rich Davis]

Are you kidding? Quit?

[Steve Covino]

You took that seriously?

[Rich Davis]

Oh, you took that serious. Jim Schwartz will be back at work tomorrow. But again, Kavino, he's a defensive coordinator expert. Does he deserve another head coaching opportunity? That's. That's up for debate.

[Steve Covino]

It's.

[Rich Davis]

He's like I always looked at Wade Phillips as one of those guys that yeah, he got a couple opportunities, but he was. Some people are just better at a specialty.

[Steve Covino]

And you know what, Rich? I'm thinking about it off the air. I'm seeing the feedback at covino and Rich FSR on YouTube. A lot of people talking about Bobby Knight. I'd have to say that in sports the rules are different than in real life. Yeah. They just are. Right. So again, we're talking about a coach's temper. These are football coaches, hot headed college basketball coaches. Right. I think they play by different rules. But a lot of our conversation was in real life. It's hard to come back from these moments, however, you know, I'm picturing Lou Piniella kicking and screaming like a big baby. You know, it's such a baby look, a sports baby look. But nobody wants to feel overlooked, and that's what happened.

[Rich Davis]

Well, let's go to a couple phone calls. I do want to point out our buddy Rob, who's listening in our affiliate in San Antonio.

[Steve Covino]

Yo, Rob.

[Rich Davis]

There's no basement in the Alamo. What's up, San Antonio? He said that minor league manager that you guys joked about, he went ballistic and threw the hand grenades. That's Philip Wellman. He did that in the 2007 Mississippi Braves, Chattanooga Lookouts. I know this because manager Bobby Cox had no problem with it and extended his minor league contract the next year. And all the teammates, coaches, everyone seemed to love it internally. But I remember seeing that being like.

[Steve Covino]

This guy's lost his mind and we're reaping all the benefits.

[Rich Davis]

And that guy's a San Antonio native. Coach Philip Wellman. So look at that. All right, let's go to Virginia. Want to say hi to Tony?

[Steve Covino]

Hey, Don. Yeah. Here for, for Jim Schwartz. His job, he ought to work something out with the Ravens and become the DC There and play the Browns twice a year.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah. And you know what? Those little rivalries would be great for football. I mean, I just think that in certain scenarios, if there's other options, sometimes you got to bite your tongue and say, all right, I'll play it out until something fits for me. But I think if Jim Schwartz said, I'm out, I'm available now, am I crazy to say that there would be a team in the NFL that would jump to Jim Schwartz? I'm even thinking, like I said, My 49ers with, with Robert Salagon. I think there could be some, some room for a guy like him.

[Steve Covino]

Every industry is different, Rich. But what do we often say when things like this occur in the professional work world? I mean, well, did he make it very clear to ownership that he wanted that job? I assume he did. For him to react that way, he had to have made it very clear that he wanted that job. If not, that's on him. And we say that to so many people, hey, man, are you sure they know that you want the job? Don't just assume just because you're working hard that they. They got you written down. And just in case, you got to make it very, very clear.

[Rich Davis]

No joke. I mean, we've joked about it here, but not really. We've said if there's a legend on this network, whether it be DP or Colin, if one of these guys decides they're going to retire, we've made it very clear. I'll put my hand up. Hey, you know, like, if you don't make it clear, there's no confusion, because.

[Steve Covino]

How often does it happen in relationships? In relationships, Dating relationships. In work, like, oh, well, I didn't know you were interested. I didn't know you wanted it.

[Rich Davis]

Many times. How many times?

[Steve Covino]

Because you're failing to make it clear.

[Rich Davis]

How many times has a husband or wife said, like a phrase like, oh, my God, I didn't know you were unhappy.

[Steve Covino]

Exactly right. So I'm assuming that Jim Schwartz made this known for that type of reaction. If not, then that's on him.

[Dan Beyer]

Maybe that was part of the frustration because it says here, a little research, it says Schwartz did not interview officially for the Browns head coaching position.

[Steve Covino]

He didn't get the opportunity, but I'm sure he made it clear, like, hey, guys, I want this gig. So when they gave it to someone else, that's just again, our speculation based on that. So, unfortunately, in life, sometimes not all is fair. He may have thought he earned it, and we've all been there. Everybody gets to that point. And sometimes you just gotta move on to get that respect. And that's the update. But congrats to Todd Monkin. He's like, hey, what did I do? Congrats to him.

[Dan Beyer]

What's up, DB Yeah, just a little bit. Schwartz did interview. In fact, he interviewed twice. I'm sorry, he interviewed twice. And in fact, when I left work yesterday, there was a lot of momentum going towards this is going to be Jim Schwartz's job. Now, I don't know if his people, even worse, were telling the insiders that he thought that he was going to get the job, and so that's why they reported it. But there's also some talk that are unsubstantiated that maybe ownership went over the heads of front office and their search committee in choosing Todd Montkin over Jim Schwartz and Neil Schielhaus from the Rams. So there's a little bit of conflicting stories on how things transpired. But 24 hours ago, it seemed Like Schwartz was in line to be the next head coach.

[Steve Covino]

More embarrassing.

[Dan Beyer]

Thank you.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah.

[Dan Beyer]

That's why. I think that's why he.

[Steve Covino]

That's another like a whole other lesson here again. Oh, thank you, D.B. yeah. Thank you. Screw you, Bing. Yeah. What is Bing? Know. But it's a matter of like, don't count.

[Rich Davis]

You're the spot. Thank you. Spot. I was like, you're the guy that uses Bing.

[Dan Beyer]

That's what is loaded on this computer right here.

[Steve Covino]

I know. Don't count your chicken. It's not official until it is.

[Rich Davis]

It was a YouTube album on Apple Music. It was just already there. It's so funny. Dan Byer. Pardon? Danny G. He was asking Jeeves.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah. Didn't have the up to date info.

[Rich Davis]

Cleveland Browns hiring, like you said. Monkin, offensive coordinator for the Ravens, offensive coordinator for the Bucks. The Browns, like he's made his rounds offensively. Does it make Schwartz feel any better that they just went with an offensive leaning minded guy? Is that like the rationale? Like, like if Mike, if. If you get dumped for a guy and the guy's so different than you, then you might be like, well, yeah.

[Dan Beyer]

You know, this is where sometimes I'm not a big thinker in group think, but. So Nathan Shieldhouse, the Rams offense or passing game coordinator, is going to go back to the Rams. He interviewed for the Browns job. He interviewed for the Bills job, interviewed for some other coaching jobs. I don't know how much Monkin interviewed elsewhere for other gigs. He interviewed to be their offensive coordinator, but not a head coaching gig. So they went with an older offensive coordinator as opposed to turning younger when neither have head coaching experience in the NFL. They went with an older voice on the offensive side of the ball instead of going with defense. And Schwartz or the younger candidate in Shield House with, by the way, again, Grant Yudinsky and Mike McDaniel would threw their names from consideration for the job. Jesse Minner was up for it, but he ended up getting the Ravens job. So there's a lot there. But they went with the older offensive guy.

[Steve Covino]

Hey, well, speaking of db, he's got your update. But let me pose this question first. Speaking of head coaching gigs, they're few and far between. And speaking of head coaches, Bill Belichick, the other big story that Dan Beyer broke on this show yesterday is sort of caught us by surprise. Like, wow, really think about this. The voters cowards or integrity? There's a lot of speculation. Man, these cowards. These cowards. Cowards or valid. Right? Plus some other nuggets of thought when it comes to Bill Belichick. We'll get to that and your feedback. And midweek. Midweek, Major. But first, DB with the update. What's up, buddy?

[Dan Beyer]

So, yeah, just on the heels of that Belichick story, Tom Brady came to his head coach's defense. And speaking with Seattle Sports 7:10am earlier.

[Steve Covino]

Today, there's no coach I'd ever rather play for. If I'm picking one coach to go out there to win a Super bowl, give me one season, I'm taking Bill Belichick.

[Dan Beyer]

So that's enough said. Even the president has weighed in. President Trump took to social media calling the decision, quote, ridiculous, end quote in that social media post says that the vote should be overturned.

[Rich Davis]

Isn't that crazy? Listen, let me tell you, overturned. It's absurd to think that it's so bizarre that Tom Brady, the president Mahomes like I saw all the tweets. Like there's not one person I've seen with that has credibility. That's like, yeah, I agree.

[Steve Covino]

No, that's not true. It took us by surprise. I'll say that. I didn't hear a lot of. Exactly. Rob Parker is like cheating. I heard him and it made me think. Props to the odd couple and other people that have stated this, but cheating is cheating. Cheating is cheating. Although I was very surprised as well.

[Dan Beyer]

Yeah. Parker says Tom Brady shouldn't be elected into the.

[Rich Davis]

Well, you know, hold. Hold that thought as well. Yeah. All right, what else is going on?

[Dan Beyer]

DB Patriots quarterback Drake May limited in practice today with a shoulder injury. Of course, they've got the Seahawks coming up in Super Bowl 60. The NBA trade deadline is a week from tomorrow and ESPN today, multiple teams have made aggressive offers for Bucks forward Giannis Antetokounmpo. The report said that Giannis has let it be known for months with a team that he wants out of Milwaukee. Team is now listening to those offers with the trade deadline again coming up next Thursday. That's not tomorrow, that's a week from Thursday. Anthony Edwards expected to play for the Timberwolves tonight against the Mavericks. Rocket center Stephen Adams going to miss the rest of the year following surgery on his ankle. Jannik Sinner will face Novak Djokovic in the Australian Open semis. On the men's side, Patrick Reed announced he is leaving LIV Golf and seeking reinstatement to the PGA Tour, where he can start playing in PGA Tour events as a non member in August, which is one year removed from when he last heated up in a live golf event.

[Rich Davis]

Guys, back to you thank you, Dan Byer.

[Steve Covino]

Thanks, Dan.

[Rich Davis]

Some more thoughts on Belichick. And of course, next hour, we'll give away some prizes with some words of wisdom. We got midweek Major and Camino. There's a, there's something I want to throw at you. We live in a world now where social media has been around long enough, where there's people that could look like they're predicting the future. And there's a, there's a wild tweet that resurfaced that we got to get to. So we'll talk about all that and more next. Right here, Kavino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio.

[Steve Covino]

Hey, Rich, Danny, Sam Byer, did you hear the biggest surprise in sports? Tyson Fury's out of retirement today. Oh, maybe Spot will talk about it in midweek, major. Maybe not. But Fury Mokba Dove is on Netflix April 11th. So Fury fighting that big giant Russian. That's the weakest part about fighters retiring. You know, they're just doing it. So please, please come back.

[Rich Davis]

I pay you to come back. I know we're talking about boxing versus sports entertainment, but I find the boxing retirement has the same credibility as like an old school, like WWE retirement.

[Steve Covino]

It really has about the same Credit.

[Rich Davis]

Macho man vs. Ric Flair Retirement match. You're like, you really, really, really Retirement match.

[Steve Covino]

Well, I wanted to bring that up in case Spot didn't have it in the biggest headlines in sports and pop culture. We do that. Check with me first. How about that? Plus midweek Major and Mike's Wednesday words of wisdom. Okay, so we got your chance to win some prizes, but we're live from the Fox Sports radio studio, and it's time for our tire rack play of the day.

[Rich Davis]

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[Steve Covino]

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[Rich Davis]

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[Steve Covino]

Tire installation, tire rack.com where tire buying should be. So I'm Steve Covino back in Jersey Union, New Jersey. That's Rich Davis and The crew back in Los Angeles, Fox Sports Radio studio and Bill Belichick is all the buzz. When Dan Beyer made that announcement. Breaking news on our show yesterday, we were all sort of shocked. Like, how is that possible? Then you start doing some sort of deductive reasoning. You're like, well, you rub people the wall. Oh, yeah, well, he's part of a cheating scandal. That's definitely why. So they're trying to make a point. So, because, you know, leading up to it, Rich, it wasn't there, like, there was a lot of buzz about he might not get in. I didn't hear one person say that.

[Rich Davis]

And I think that when you hear Tom Brady or even saw tweets and messages from Mahomes and you know, people that are very involved, it's so undeniable that he's arguing.

[Steve Covino]

I think Tom Brady's gonna have his back. Because, you know, he was part of.

[Rich Davis]

A cheating scandal, too, arguably, if not the best coach of the last 50 years. And he's not a first ballot hall of Famer. That's insane.

[Steve Covino]

It does seem insane, but it makes more sense when you put the pieces together as to why is it fair? You know, these are all things we could speculate. So I'm asking, because I keep reading like, these guys are cowards. And you know what? I would have voted them in, too. But as far as conversation, like, cowards, or maybe they have a crazy level of integrity and are like, yeah, not this time, buddy. You're probably going to get in. Just, you know, when we say it's okay. So is it cowardly or is it integrity? They have a valid point to keep them out.

[Rich Davis]

Can I have.

[Steve Covino]

The Brady thing is also a big question mark.

[Rich Davis]

Can I, could I add a third option? And by the way, the Brady thing is interesting because by that deductive reason and that logic, you would say, what, is Brady not a first ballot guy? I mean, if you imagine not voting Tom Brady into the hall of Fame first ballot, that's. That's even more preposterous.

[Steve Covino]

There's a lot of ways to look at it.

[Rich Davis]

Here's my third option. What about the thought of, hey, you know what? Maybe it's a power trip. Hey, I, I, you know, like, when you give. One of my favorite things is you never give someone power that doesn't deserve it. And you've given, like, some of these sports writers a power that maybe they haven't earned in your mind. Like, you know, I always say, tell someone what you want. Don't ask them, like, if there's you know, if you're in the young kid at the club or something, don't be like, hey, kid, is it okay? No. Say I need to get there. Like, I just feel like when you ask people instead of tell them, like.

[Steve Covino]

You, I don't know.

[Rich Davis]

I think he gave these writers too much of a, too much of a voice.

[Steve Covino]

Your thoughts. And I'm going to give you another little nugget of thought to make you think about it some more. But Belichick's not it. I'm sure he'll eventually get in. Is it valid? Is it bunk? Is it cowardly? Let us know. 877-99-FOX. We'll give you our thoughts.

[Rich Davis]

Some reporters power tripping, trying to get a little love. I don't know. We'll get to your feedback next. Right here on fsr.

[Steve Covino]

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