C&R - Bo Nix Needs to Be Missed?

Summary

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The Dan Patrick Show (Covino & Rich Takeover)

Episode: "C&R - Bo Nix Needs to Be Missed?"
Date: January 24, 2026

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Overview

This episode of The Dan Patrick Show, hosted by Steve Covino and Rich Davis (Covino & Rich), circles around the perennial sports debate: How does a starting quarterback (in this case, Bo Nix) feel and fare if their backup leads the team to glory in their absence? Does a sidelined star secretly hope their backup stumbles so their own value is affirmed, or do they selflessly root for the team's success? Using the Broncos’ Bo Nix and backup Jared Stidham as the central subject, Covino & Rich deep-dive into this murky emotional territory, sparking spirited debate, calls, and a cascade of sports and pop culture references.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Football Postseason Feelings: “How Do We Cope With the End?”

• The guys reflect on the sports calendar lull after the NFL finishes up, acknowledging regional differences in sports enthusiasm—East Coast vs. West Coast talking baseball, hoops, and more. (03:51–05:40)

2. Backup QBs and the Super Bowl: "It's Happened Before!"

• Covino & Rich outline legendary moments when a backup QB not only started but won the Super Bowl—Nick Foles, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Kurt Warner, etc. Stidham, thrust into the spotlight, joins these historic ranks. (06:16–07:19)

3. Can Stidham Pull Off a Miracle?

• Stidham's calm demeanor and social media abstention are praised. The importance of veteran advice (from Hostetler, for example) about “avoiding the noise” in a social media-fueled age gets a nod. (08:23–09:09)
• Notable Quote:
  • "He seems cool and collected about it. He's making statements that he's off social media...focused on the game. Seems pretty confident." — Steve Covino (08:23)

4. What About Bo Nix? Psychology of the Sideline Star

• The debate’s heart: Does Bo Nix, injured and replaced, really want Stidham to succeed? Or does he (perhaps subconsciously) hope to be missed?
• Rich Davis’s take: "There's a part of Bo Nix that wants him [Stidham] to fall just short and be like, man, we really need Bo." (12:48)
• Covino counters: "I disagree...I'm sure he's rooting for his team to win. It just sucks. He's in a really crappy situation." (13:36)

5. Team Loyalty vs. Personal Ego: Is It Really That Simple?

• They examine legends like Carson Wentz, Phil Simms, Alex Smith—starters replaced by playoff/super bowl surging backups, and the after-effects (“redheaded stepchild” syndrome). (09:55–11:16)
• Contemporary example: Braves win without Acuna Jr.; echoes in baseball, basketball, every team sport.

6. Psychological Layer: The Desire to Be Missed

• Dan Beyer (update anchor) and callers chime in, mostly agreeing: Most people want to be missed, but very few actively root for their team's failure. (30:42–31:56)

  • Notable Quote:
    • "I think everybody wants to be missed...But you don't want your team to fail." — Dan Beyer (31:12)

• The distinction is drawn between wanting to be needed and selfishly hoping for disaster.

7. Personal Anecdotes & Pop Culture Parallels

• Covino draws on youthful and career experiences where stepping in for the "star" led to unexpected success; Rich likens this to missing group trips and learning you weren’t “the key to the fun.” (18:04–21:22)

• Entertaining moments include pop culture backups:

  • Danny Zuko taking over for Kanicki in Grease (50:28), Jefferson for Steve in Married With Children, Jefferson for Aunt Viv in Fresh Prince, etc.

8. Fan and Caller Reactions

• Most callers agree the team’s win is what matters, but a sliver of self-interest is only human (Caller from Indiana: “I think that’s 2%—98% he wants to win.”) (34:35-34:39)
• Others rib Rich for his “selfish ex-boyfriend” take, blending humor and critique. (35:15–35:56)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “You want to feel like you were missed, but I don't know if I'd want my team to lose.” — Steve Covino (17:09)
• “FoWO—fear of winning out.” — Sam, in-studio producer, coining a term for the fear of being replaced during team success. (14:16)
• “I think that I'm also thinking this because remember earlier in the year, even really intelligent, reputable guys…are saying at times we're not quite sure Bo Nix is the answer.” — Rich Davis acknowledges the added insecurity for an unproven starter. (39:11)
• “If Bo Nix is the real deal, he'll be just fine. Regardless.” — Steve Covino, echoing the sports cliché about “the cream rising to the top.” (29:06)
• “No, Rich is one of these guys that breaks up with a girl and roots for her to get fat and ugly when he's done with her.” — Indiana caller, ribbing Rich’s ultra-competitive take. (35:15)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:51–05:40: Regional sports interest discussion, transition from football season.
• 06:16–07:19: Backups who have gone Super Bowl distance.
• 08:23–09:09: Stidham’s approach, Hostetler advice, social media “noise.”
• 09:55–13:11: Heart of the Bo Nix debate—does he want to be missed, even at the cost of team success?
• 17:09–17:13: The deep desire to be missed vs. actively rooting against your own team.
• 18:04–21:22: Personal backup stories; stepping in and seizing opportunity.
• 30:42–31:56: Dan Beyer and the crew land on the real answer—wanting to be missed, but still rooting for team success.
• 34:35–34:39: Caller clearly weighs in: 98% team, 2% selfish.
• 39:11–39:47: The Bo Nix “unproven” angle and its psychological impact.

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Tone & Style

• Good-natured, sparring banter filled with sports references, personal anecdotes, and a heavy dose of humor.
• Covino is the “voice of empathy,” believing most athletes (and people) want the team to succeed.
• Rich plays “devil’s advocate,” asserting that being replaced hurts and that even the most selfless athlete feels a twinge of hoping to be missed.
• Frequent asides, pop culture references, and ribbing among hosts, producers, and callers keep the tone light and lively.

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Conclusion

Covino and Rich deftly explore the anxiety and ego at the heart of sports—what happens when the backup becomes the star, and what it means for the person originally cast in the lead role. Using Bo Nix and the Denver Broncos’ playoff saga as a springboard, the hosts invite listeners to contemplate the tension between self and team, drawing on sports history, personal experience, and the universal desire to feel important and irreplaceable. Rich might exaggerate the “selfish gene,” but as Covino (echoed by Dan Beyer and most callers) concludes, most of us ultimately root for the team—but yeah, we all hope we’re missed when we’re gone.

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Transcript

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[Rich Davis]

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[Steve Covino]

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[Rich Davis]

It was all good, man. Honestly, it's. It's winding down. Meaning we're so used to Thursday Night Football, that hasn't been a thing for a few weeks. I'm. I'm in that mode where a lot of people are where it's like, all right, we got three football games left, two championship games that we got to wait a couple of weeks for the Super Bowl.

[Steve Covino]

Before you know it, we'll be in Santa Clara bringing all the fun to you live for super bowl week. That's how I'm seeing it.

[Rich Davis]

And then we have already said farewell to college football. Fernando Mendoza's on late night tv. He's talking about his future before you know him.

[Steve Covino]

And Jimmy Fallon, man, what a wild pairing. He's just. He's more animated than Jimmy Fallon. It's so wild, so likable. Danny G. I think I'm going to be a Raiders fan, man.

[Rich Davis]

I don't know.

[Dan Beyer]

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[Rich Davis]

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[Dan Beyer]

Whoever owns those masters they're getting some major royalties right now. I was going to tell you guys what's going to be weird is after the super bowl, you two leading with an NBA headline. That's what is weird to me.

[Steve Covino]

When football winds down, we're gonna have to.

[Rich Davis]

It's really interesting. I was talking to. I was talking to some east coast buddies. I know Salicata, who is a regular on Stugats, who is now on before us.

[Steve Covino]

We used to work with Sal at SNY New York City.

[Rich Davis]

And I was talking to some buddies about how regionally, sports interests differ so much during different parts of the year. Like right now, if you're on the east coast, there's a lot of cities that are way into baseball off season. Like, we're not on right now in New York. We're on, you know, 3, 400 affiliates.

[Dan Beyer]

We're in New York State.

[Rich Davis]

We're New York State. We're not in New York City. But I guarantee, like, local New York radio is talking about Bellinger and, you know, Boba Shed, and they're into baseball.

[Steve Covino]

Already and Bronson and the Knicks.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah. So, I mean, we're. We're talking about nationally, though. Football is still king by far. But I'm getting in that baseball's coming mindset. I'm getting the all right, basketball, I'm ready to pay attention mode. But we still, like we said, three big football games left to go, and history would say home underdogs in conference games have always covered and done pretty well. So while they do have steady, can the Broncos get it done with an underdog backup quarterback?

[Steve Covino]

Well, it's been done before. So before we get into brainwave and weekend hobnobbin and giveaways, let's talk about it. Let's chop it up. Like we say, backup quarterbacks to win the super bowl. It happens. 1988. Doug Williams, 91. We were talking about it the other day. Jeff Hostetler, 2000.

[Rich Davis]

I give credit to his mustache, by the way. It was Hostetler's mustache. More than him, I think.

[Steve Covino]

Did have a sweet stash. Look like my dad won the super bowl back in 91. Kurt Warner in 2000. Yeah, that was pre chompers. Kurt Warner, 2001. Trent Dilfer. You had Tom Brady in 2002. Yeah, man. Now we're in the year 2000. The last to do it, 2018. Big blank. Nick Foles. Nick Foles did it.

[Rich Davis]

That wasn't a Big years, Nick.

[Steve Covino]

Big years.

[Rich Davis]

It was big.

[Steve Covino]

Just Big Foot.

[Rich Davis]

St. Nick. Okay. Yeah.

[Steve Covino]

St. Nick took Philadelphia by storm became a hero. And this year, 2026, Jared Stidham has the chance.

[Rich Davis]

You know, you could have added to that list if it weren't for a bad no call in New Orleans against a Ravens defense that held Michael Crabtree. You could have added Kaepernick to that list because if you remember, he took over for Alex Smith and Ta Da Niners went to the Super Bowl. It wasn't an injury, but he was a guy that started out as a backup. And Danny said there's also a caveat with Jim Plunkett as well, because Jim Plunkett at one point was a backup and then would go on to win a Super Bowl. But it's been done. I don't know if it has the same feel for the fan base, which is why I would love to hear from Phil.

[Steve Covino]

It would be the first time in the 21st century that a backup starts the Super Bowl. I think even conference game, conference championship. Who hadn't started all year.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, because Nick Falls, Hostetler, those guys took over towards the final few weeks of the regular season.

[Steve Covino]

This guy's just getting thrown in there in one of the biggest games of the year. But it has happened. It could happen. He could go all the way. We'll see.

[Rich Davis]

You could say no one fresher than Jared Stidham.

[Steve Covino]

No, for sure.

[Rich Davis]

Got fresh legs.

[Steve Covino]

He seems cool and collected about it. He's making statements that he's off social media. He's ignoring all that stuff. He's focused on the game. Seems pretty confident.

[Rich Davis]

You know who told him that? Speaking of Jeff Hostetler, who? And it's funny when these people, I wouldn't say, come out of the woodwork. It's not like he was hiding, but it's his moment to give his insight. And Jeff Hostetler has spoken out and said, hey, ignore the noise. And you have more noise now than I had in the 90s. There was no social media. There was no X and Instagram.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he I'm off of social media for now. Or at the moment, something like that.

[Rich Davis]

Stidham's going to go back to, you know, looking at dumb videos like all of us. But for now, Hostetler's like, avoid the noise. And there's a hell of a lot more noise now than back then.

[Steve Covino]

So if Stidham could focus, it's avoid the noid.

[Rich Davis]

He just needs to. Honestly, I know you could say, well, that's a lot, dude. He needs to play two good football games because he has a good Team around them, a great defense, it's not impossible.

[Steve Covino]

And a great coach.

[Rich Davis]

So your thoughts on can it be done? But then part two of the question.

[Steve Covino]

Well, it can. The only difference here is that he hasn't started all year, but backups have won before and it opens up a bigger conversation. So first your thoughts about Stidham. Do you believe in him? I mean, why not? Right? We've seen it before. Why not him? They have a great team. But then what does it say about Knicks moving forward? What did it say about Wentz moving forward when Foles did it? Right. Sort of tarnishes what he accomplished a little bit.

[Rich Davis]

I think it's a terrible thing to happen to a young quarterback that gets injured. If your replacement wins the super bowl, then you become the redheaded stepchild. Does that even PC to say nowadays? Can you. The redheaded stepchild?

[Steve Covino]

No, it's true. It's living in that shadow.

[Rich Davis]

You become the person that lives in the shadow. Carson Wentz, Phil Sims was never the same in New York. They were quick to be like, yeah, we're sort of done with Sims.

[Steve Covino]

Falls was a hero. Hostedler is a hero. That's kind of hard to overcome.

[Rich Davis]

And the more recent one, I said, even though he didn't win, the minute Kaepernick performed, the 49ers were sort of bad to Alex Smith. They were like, yeah, later.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, he became yesterday's news after that with the 49ers.

[Dan Beyer]

How about how well Davis Mills did as a backup for the Texans this past season? And there were obviously talking heads shouting and screaming for him to come in the game over Stroud, when Stroud was struggling. If he had put up points and the Texans advanced, we would have had Davis Mills versus Jared Stidham.

[Rich Davis]

I like to call him C.J.

[Steve Covino]

Struggling.

[Rich Davis]

You know, that's pretty good. I do have. It's a two layer question. Camino's right. What does it say about the injured quarterback? Subconscious. Listen, you're a team guy. You want your team to win, but there's got to be a part. And Bo Nix would deny it until. I don't know, what do they say? The cows come home. He would deny it forever.

[Steve Covino]

But there, there is a part, unfortunately.

[Rich Davis]

How would Nick Cage, if the Cage was a cow?

[Steve Covino]

If Nick Cage was a cow? Yeah. I don't know.

[Rich Davis]

Have you have not seen that trend on social media as a cow? It's went from. It went from owl to cow. You know, it was like they're asking about celebrities.

[Steve Covino]

I didn't, I didn't See the cow ones. I know. The owl ones. Why? How would Nick Cage sound as a cow? Moo. Moo.

[Rich Davis]

Moo, moo. How would Obama sound as a cow?

[Steve Covino]

I don't know. Tell me. Mo. Oh, okay, so think about it. Could it happen? What does it say? It says that Peyton's the guy and it was him all along, so. And that's unfair to Bo Nix, but this is the situation we're in. You know, there's like a.

[Rich Davis]

You want to feel wanted, dude.

[Steve Covino]

There's an online conspiracy that it didn't happen on the field, his injury.

[Rich Davis]

Well, like we said yesterday, there's also conspiracy that an electrical plant is why Niners are going down there. I'm.

[Steve Covino]

I'm not giving it any juice, but our. Our job is to sort of keep you up on what nonsense is going on on social media as well. And. And there's a theory with the fans that it may have happened during a locker room celebration because you do see the second to last play where they said it happened. He sort of springs up, but you do see him wincing and wincing off the field later on. But there is conspiracy that they tried to cover it up, but I think it says a lot about Peyton if Stidham wins now. So now.

[Rich Davis]

Now, Bo Nicks. Like I said, I got distracted in my own dumb cow. Thought he'll say it until the cows come home. Oh, I want the team to win, but there's a part of Jared, there's a part of Bo Nix, and I promise you.

[Steve Covino]

What is a Rich Davis cow sound like? Moo.

[Rich Davis]

Moo. I promise you, there's a horse cow. There's a part. There's a part of Bo Nix that wants him to fall just short and be like, man, we really need Bo.

[Steve Covino]

But then you don't get that ring.

[Rich Davis]

You want to feel wanted, and then.

[Steve Covino]

You feel bad that you let your team down too. So Bonkes wants the team to win?

[Rich Davis]

No, he. Deep down.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, because then he'll feel like he's responsible for the team in the city not winning because he was injured.

[Rich Davis]

All right.

[Steve Covino]

If I take you on your team, if I take a day off, if I just stinks.

[Rich Davis]

If I took a day off, it's.

[Steve Covino]

Like it's tarnished a little bit.

[Rich Davis]

If I took a day off, it's like rain. And you heard that. And we heard, oh, man, that was the best show ever. I'd be really upset.

[Steve Covino]

I mean, it's happened.

[Rich Davis]

You don't want. You want. You want to feel important. Bo Nix does not want his team to win.

[Steve Covino]

You think selfishly he wants the whole city and the whole franchise and the whole team has suffered because his ankle got hurt.

[Rich Davis]

Get out of here.

[Steve Covino]

He does not. But it will sting a little bit that he wasn't able to participate in the victory.

[Rich Davis]

Other hurt players like a defender, cornerback, wide receiver, running back, they might want the team to win, but the quarterback is so tied to a franchise and success that I think Bo Nix, he met. He may never say it, he would never vocalize it, but deep down inside he's probably like, I don't want this team to win without.

[Steve Covino]

I disagree. I disagree with that. I do. I got to make it clear. That's rich.

[Rich Davis]

Saying I believe.

[Steve Covino]

I believe that's rich. To hyper cow.

[Rich Davis]

What's up, Sam? It's not fomo. It's fo wo. The fear of winning out. I do believe fo wo.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, everybody said that. Sam.

[Rich Davis]

What is history showing? I have a question. Is there as a fan, you want to win the championship no matter what?

[Dan Beyer]

0 for 2, Sam.

[Rich Davis]

But does it feel weird if your team wins with like, not the guy?

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, definitely.

[Rich Davis]

There's a weird feeling.

[Steve Covino]

Right? But it, but it's. It's been done. So based on that, right, your thoughts on if Stidham could take it all the way? I don't think they're going to make to the super bowl anyway. But it could happen, right? I don't think they're going to, but it could happen. I think based on that, we also want to chop it up and share some stories about times you stepped into big shoes or other stories that you could recall where someone had to step up and fill in and deliver. They filled in and they did a great job. Great job. Who comes to mind? What comes to mind? I mean, even in our business, in our industry, it happens all the time.

[Rich Davis]

I really would love for someone to tell me that they think Bo Nicks, like so badly wants his team to win. I know those are his boys. That's his team. I'm saying there's a part of his subconscious. He may not even fully realize it himself, but you want to feel one. It's our nature as human beings. In a marriage, in a relationship, at your job, that's the most selfish family. Well, are you telling me, like, Bo Nix is the most selfless man on earth?

[Steve Covino]

Selfish, self centered guy. You probably know. And I wouldn't even like, wish that on my team and my, my, my peers in my city, like, no way. Get out of here. I would still want them to win. Because then I would feel responsible for everybody not winning. I'm sure he's rooting for his team to win. It just sucks. He's in a really crappy situation. You know, it's unfortunate, but I still believe that he believes in his talent and that it's not just Peyton if they win. But what are other situations where the backups, you know, came up big?

[Rich Davis]

The Braves won the World Series, I'm pretty sure the year Acuna was out the whole season. Am I right about that? I think Acuna was out the. The whole year, like, you know, missed a year, and the Braves won the World Series. There's got to be a part of him that while he got a ring, there's a. There's that weird feeling of, like, I. Yeah, I mean, I got a ring, but I don't. I wasn't.

[Steve Covino]

That's always weird in itself.

[Dan Beyer]

Yeah, he was. He was out in 2021 with the ACL injury.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, he. He tore his ACL. And everyone's like, oh, man, how the Brave's gonna do without Acuna? They did.

[Steve Covino]

That happens a lot, though. It does. That happens a lot when other players.

[Dan Beyer]

Need to rally around each other and step up.

[Steve Covino]

Got to step up, huh?

[Rich Davis]

I really think that it is. It's like just subconscious. It's there somewhere that you don't want great things to happen when you're not involved. You feel, like, lesser or something.

[Steve Covino]

You want to feel like you were missed. But I don't know if I'd want my team to lose.

[Dan Beyer]

Based on your guys's thoughts here about Bo Nix, would there be a juicy controversy in Denver if Stidham takes him to the super bowl, plays big in the biggest game of the year, and you know what I mean.

[Rich Davis]

Yet another thing Bo Nicks doesn't want to have to worry about.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah. But in reality, Stidham just had to win two games. Bo Nicks, in reality, is the guy that took him there the whole season. So there's a lot of pride in that.

[Dan Beyer]

And there's other teams would be after Stidham at that point.

[Steve Covino]

Yes. That's how I see it moving forward. But let's share some other stories. And what do you think about what Rich is saying here? 87799 on Fox Covino and Rich, and of course, the live chat on YouTube. Covino and Rich. FSR. What comes to mind to mind for you, Rich? Any personal stories?

[Rich Davis]

I got, like, a bunch of stuff you would feel. All right. Let you know. Every year we go away with our buds For a little guys weekend. For a football trip.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah.

[Rich Davis]

If you one year couldn't go because, I don't know, you had like your daughter's recital or something and everyone's like, you know what the best year was? And it was that year that you weren't there. That's an. That's a mean.

[Steve Covino]

But I'm glad you guys had a good time.

[Rich Davis]

It's a meaningless example that means nothing in life. But you'd still be like, oh, man, not the best time when I wasn't there. Exactly. You think this guy wants his team to win?

[Steve Covino]

He doesn't want it, but it's a tough break. Pun intended. Of course he doesn't want it. All right, so I'll kick it off. As a kid, I got three stories, all right? And I'll make them snappy like a rubber band sandwich. As a kid, there was a. You know how there's Johnny football hero in every town? Well, believe it or not, I was only one of those guys. Believe it or not, there was other guys that were really great in my hometown, right?

[Rich Davis]

Shocking.

[Steve Covino]

And there was a kid that was older than me. Let's call him Brian and rest in peace. He was a stellar athlete, Division 1 football player. He was drafted by everything. Really great athlete in my town. He was about 16 and I was 13. And we were playing what they call Babe Ruth league. We called it Teener league in Union, New Jersey.

[Rich Davis]

I remember doing that. I played Connie Mack, right?

[Steve Covino]

So it's after little league, but up to like 16 year old. And he was the best athlete in town by far. But he was older than me as well, and he was pitching the championship game. So we had it locked. We were in the championship, he's pitching. The best guy in town. Got it locked. So I'm just there like, yeah, man, ride. Yeah, he's pitching.

[Rich Davis]

We're going to win.

[Steve Covino]

I'm just. It's my first year in this league, dude. First inning, the dude's like, my elbow. And his dad was coaching. Took him out of the game. Like Cavino. Like me. Me, I'm 13 years old. I had no intention of pitching the championship game. Get in there. I'm like me and I. Dude, I. I was confident, I pitched, but I did not plan on pitching a championship game. First year in the league, dude. I came up stellar, bro. Like a. I don't know like who, bro? Like Nolan Ryan out there. Dude won the championship at 13 years old. Stepped in the big moment. What?

[Rich Davis]

First inning, Nolan Ryan's a big Texan.

[Dan Beyer]

Can you think of maybe Fernando Valenzuela?

[Rich Davis]

Can you think of like a 5 foot 7 Latino guy?

[Steve Covino]

You don't get it. That's how I felt. You see what I mean? That's how I felt. In fact, someone charged him out. I gave him a double noggin knocker sandwich. Shave him to muck. All right. In professional career, you know, this is years later, I'm trying to be a radio star. I'm driving the van around. I'm just a promotion guy, hanging up banners at the concerts, promoting the station, handing out keychains. And I heart superstar. Booker couldn't make an interview. And I think I've told this story on the air, right? He couldn't make an interview. And it was collective soul of all bands, which at the time was big. But looking back, who cares?

[Rich Davis]

Shine.

[Steve Covino]

They're big hit, but love that song. But the point is, the main dj. You guys know Booker and Stryker, right? Booker was running late or had a cold. I forget what happened. But the boss calls me up and I'm hanging a poster up and he's like, kavino, what are you doing? I'm like hanging up banners. I don't know. He's like, you got to do the interview. I'm like, me.

[Dan Beyer]

Boom.

[Steve Covino]

Stepped up, knocked it out the park. Gave me some confidence. And look at me now.

[Rich Davis]

Wow.

[Steve Covino]

How about you and I, Rich, as a team? Did we not fill in for Stephen A. Smith on first take? What the heck were we doing there? I don't know, but we did. We fill in for Dan Patrick, we fill in for Colin Cowherd. You gotta step up and seize the moment. Seize the day. As Avenged Sevenfold says, let's go to the phone calls. You gotta do it. It's Stidham's time. But everybody has those moments where you have to step up. And even if you fail, you gotta do your best. You gotta step up and do your best. Even if you fall right on your face, you gotta give it your all. That's what Stidham has to do. We've done it, Jim.

[Rich Davis]

And Fall river is on the intro, and he's like, B. Knicks is sitting in a corner somewhere singing Cheap Trick. I want you to want me.

[Steve Covino]

Hey, man, there's a lot of pride in. He got us there. That's the truth. But you saw Peyton was oddly confident. St. He's ready to go. We're good. Doesn't matter. He kind of made it feel like. Doesn't matter. I'm the coach. We got it. That's kind of how it sounded.

[Rich Davis]

Telling you, Bo Nicks does not love this. I.

[Steve Covino]

Of course he doesn't love it, but he doesn't want his team to lose. Deep down, backups have won before. Let's talk about other moments. Well, first, your thoughts on that and other moments where someone had to step up and they delivered.

[Rich Davis]

Let's do it. More CNR next. Talking backups, talking big moments right here on Fox Sports Radio.

[Steve Covino]

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[Rich Davis]

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[John Paulk]

I'm John Paulk. For years, I was the poster boy of the conversion therapy movement, the ex gay who married an ex lesbian and traveled the world, telling my story of how I changed my sexuality from gay to straight. Once upon a time, I was on Six60 Minutes, Oprah, the front cover of Newsweek, and you might have heard my story, but you've never heard the real story. So join me as I peel back the layers and expose what happened to me in the midst of conversion therapy to shine a light on what the X Game movement does to people and the pain it continues to cause.

[Questlove]

I had lost £150 because if I.

[Steve Covino]

Couldn'T control my sexuality, I was going to control my weight.

[Rich Davis]

It sounded like, and this is the.

[Chelsea Handler]

Word I used, a cult.

[John Paulk]

And as I look, too, at the harm I did from within, listen to atonement, the John Paulk story on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Chelsea Handler]

This season on Dear Chelsea, with me, Chelsea Handler. We've got some incredible guests, like Kumail Nanjiani. Let's start with your cat. How is she?

[Rich Davis]

She is not with us anymore.

[Chelsea Handler]

Great, great, great way to start. So this is a great beginning and hopefully you'll be able to, I don't know, maybe you will cry. Amanda Seyfried. Life is so short. If you feel something like that, you have that fire in you for this experience. It's not for a guy. It's for the experience of being in love. And like, it's bigger than a guy. Elizabeth Olsen. I love swimming naked so much. And I know you love taking pictures of yourself. Yes, I love to be naked. I just want to be in my bra, underwear. All Ross Matthews. You know what kids always say to me? Are you a boy or a girl? Oh, my God, all the time. I know. So I'm always like, hi. I try to butch it up for kids, you know, so they're not confused. Yeah, but you're butching it up. It's basically like an angry woman. Doris Day, right? No, I turn into be Arthur. Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Questlove]

Hey, what's up, y'?

[Rich Davis]

All?

[Questlove]

This is Questlove. Recently, I had the opportunity to sit down with ASAP Rocky ahead of his album release, don't be Dumb. He reflects on his journey from his Harlem roots to global icon status, discovering the hip hop origin of his name.

[Danny G]

The ledge was on the tv. Rakim had the bucket hat kango joint on. Pops was like, that's Rakim. That's who you nameked after. I just was like, damn, that got swag.

[Questlove]

Rocky offers a window into not only a boundary breaking artist, but as a man committed to fusing creative ideas, community, and remaining unapologetically himself. Have you ever gotten roasted for any of your outfits?

[Danny G]

For sure. Some people don't be getting the vision. Look, they could roast me, they could cook me, they could deep fry me, they could saute whatever they want. Nobody with my fashion sense and my taste is impeccable. I'm just like, I impress myself a lot.

[Questlove]

It's an amazing conversation, one you definitely don't want to miss. So listen to the Questlove show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Mike De la Rocha]

A new year doesn't mean erasing who you were. It means Honoring what you've survived and choosing how you want to grow. It means giving ourselves permission to feel what we've been holding and knowing that it's okay to ask for help. I'm Mike De la Rocha, host of Sacred Lessons. This podcast is essential space for men to talk openly about mental health, grief, relationships, and the patterns we inherit but don't have to repeat. Here, we slow down, we listen, we learn how vulnerability becomes strength and how healing happens in community, not in isolation. If you're ready to let go of what no longer serves you and step into the year with clarity, compassion, and purpose. Purpose. Sacred Lessons is your companion on your healing journey. Listen to Sacred Lessons with Mike Delaroch on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow Sacred Lessons with Mike Delarocha and start listening on the free iHeartRadio app today.

[Steve Covino]

Oh, I want you to want Steve. I mean, me, I want Steve Covino. Rich Davis is Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio.

[Rich Davis]

Telling you, deep down inside, Bo Nix is like, do I really want the Broncos to win without me?

[Steve Covino]

That's craziness, bro. You're so. You saying that says a lot about you. I think it's like Rich wants everyone to fail if he's not around. That's craziness.

[Rich Davis]

If I was not here today, I'd want the show to go off the air.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, but that's wild.

[Rich Davis]

No, I'm just saying that's like when.

[Steve Covino]

That's like next level selfish behavior.

[Rich Davis]

When history shows that if I can't.

[Steve Covino]

Have it, nobody can. Yeah, because when you're ultimately confident in yourself, it doesn't matter.

[Rich Davis]

When history is shown, if Bo Nix.

[Steve Covino]

Is the real deal, he'll be just fine. Regardless.

[Rich Davis]

When history is shown that when backups take over and do well, that it's the person's forgotten, a la Carson Wentz, Alex Smith. What about Brock Purdy?

[Steve Covino]

He came back. Mac Jones played really well. That's right.

[Rich Davis]

Brock Purdy took over and everyone's like, yeah, Jimmy G. Later. Thank you, Sam.

[Questlove]

And you know what?

[Rich Davis]

Roger Staubach took over. Terry Bradshaw, Jim Plunkett. These are guys that took over mid season or late in the season and ended up winning a Super bowl and never looked back. It's the Wally Pip that's the story. It's the Tom Brady later, Drew Bledsoe. I don't care that you signed the deal. Deep down inside, Bo Nix might be a great guy and say, I'm rooting for my team, but there's a part of him, whether it's subconscious or it doesn't in the back of his brain.

[Steve Covino]

Doesn't help. But what did the macho man say? The cream rises to the top.

[Rich Davis]

He also said.

[Steve Covino]

Oh, yeah. No. The cream rises to the top. So if Bo Nicks really is the real deal Holy field, then it doesn't matter. He'll be prosperous and he'll still do well in his career somewhere else.

[Rich Davis]

You know what else he said doesn't.

[Steve Covino]

Define him as a player.

[Rich Davis]

Will you marry me? He did say that.

[Steve Covino]

He also said, snap into it. So anyway, we're gonna get into it. The phone calls. 87799 on Fox. I want to hear from you where the. The backup, the understudy had a moment. Or maybe it's something you did. This is stuff we see in movies. We see it in sports, but it happens in real life where you had to step up.

[Rich Davis]

Look around the studio. Who would you say is the most honorable man in here?

[Steve Covino]

Not you.

[Rich Davis]

Take a look.

[Steve Covino]

Dan Beyer.

[Rich Davis]

Dan Beyer joke. Dan Beyer jokingly says, let's say like monsieur. Or Isaac fills in for me, goes, oh, seems like you guys had fun without me. You know what Dan Beyer is secretly saying? I'm the number one do.

[Steve Covino]

Don't you forget it, Dan. Don't let him put words in your mouth.

[Dr. Jesse Mills]

No, listen. No, you guys have. This has been my thing for years. We've had this conversation before. I've told you. Covino, remember? You know what I'm talking about. When we would fill in for you guys.

[Steve Covino]

Yes, yes, I know where you're going.

[Dr. Jesse Mills]

And someone would say, gosh, can't wait to. Cavino and Rich are back. That Steve is trying so hard to not smile.

[Rich Davis]

He likes the tweets.

[Dr. Jesse Mills]

It's been.

[Steve Covino]

It's.

[Dr. Jesse Mills]

It's always been my thing. I think everybody wants to be missed. I said it with Lane, Kiffin and Ellis.

[Steve Covino]

But you don't want your team to fail.

[Rich Davis]

I know maybe that's extreme. But listen, you're right. When someone's like, man, can't wait for Covino to come back, you'll like the tweet.

[Steve Covino]

I agree with that sentiment. Failing is another thing. You think if Dan Byron, Monsieur, filling in for our show. Right.

[Rich Davis]

What do you miss? What do you miss, Rachel? Just liking tweets without looking at what you think.

[Steve Covino]

I want them to fall on their face and say suck. Absolutely not. Because Dan Byer is great. Do I want them to be better than us?

[Rich Davis]

No.

[Steve Covino]

Do I want them to fail so.

[Rich Davis]

That Bo Nicks doesn't want Jared Stidham to be better than that.

[Steve Covino]

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[Rich Davis]

And if you've ever wiped with a regular toilet paper, you'd be like, what am I doing here? That's why you need dude wipes. Switch to the life changing extra large flushable dude wipes because wetter just cleans better. Available at Amazon, all major retailers. Dude wipes better clean. In fact, the best clean. Pants down. Let's go to your phone calls. Rapid fire. What are you thinking? Backups. Times you stepped up and deep down inside. Do you think. But what, what do you think?

[Steve Covino]

Bo Nix wants a victory for his team.

[Rich Davis]

Okay, that's up for debate. Let's go to Idaho and let's head a monster. What's up, man?

[Caller/Listener]

Hey, boys. Thanks for taking the call. First time, long time.

[Steve Covino]

Thanks, buddy.

[Caller/Listener]

I got to tell you, Peyton's a hell of a coach.

[Dr. Jesse Mills]

Yep.

[Caller/Listener]

Okay. And Bo Nix is the most left on quarterback in the NFL. But stead him with the way Peyton coaches, he's going to step up, he's going to do it.

[Steve Covino]

It's possible.

[Caller/Listener]

I mean, they're the dogs, but it's going to happen.

[Rich Davis]

Home dogs have done historically well in conference championships. So I don't know if that means anything to you, but there it is, L.A. and Mike. What's up, Mike?

[Caller/Listener]

Hey, guys, got a statement for you. See if it jogs your memory. Bernie Kosar, super bowl champion. Does that ring a bell?

[Rich Davis]

No, it doesn't really ring a bell. No.

[Caller/Listener]

Okay, well, here we go. Aikman takes the knee to the head, goes out in the second. Second super bowl run against the Niners. Kosar comes in, finishes the game. And without Kosar, there's no back to back against the Bills. And is Aikman a Super bowl champ? And that particular super bowl was a one week rest. So Aikman came back pre concussion protocol, he would not have been cleared. Obviously he came back on one week rest, was not himself. Emmett Smith, you know, ran him to the Super Bowl. But yeah, you know, that's an example. Now Kosar was at the end of.

[Rich Davis]

His career, but that's at that stage he was a. He was a fine looking backup. Michael, let me ask you, do you Think. And again, I'm not trying to be dramatic here, but do you think deep down inside Bo Nix is like a little cautious? Like, I don't know if I want him to do too well or do you think he's just such a team guy?

[Caller/Listener]

I think that's 2%, 98%. He wants to win.

[Steve Covino]

I agree. I agree with everything he said right there. And I think it's a reminder that it's a team sport. That's really what it is.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, but in football the quarterback is such a face. There's no other sport. Like in basketball. It could be your best player, center, point guard, forward, it doesn't matter. In baseball, the face of your team could be a pitcher, first baseman, DH. In football, 99% of the time the face of your franchise is your quarterback.

[Steve Covino]

But these opportunities leave room for other people to step up. I see it all the time.

[Rich Davis]

Let's go to Indiana and Rob. What's up, Rob?

[Steve Covino]

Hey, Rob.

[Caller/Listener]

Hey, what's up, guys? That's kind of a weak take, Bo. Nick's one thing, his faith is big in him and he is a selfless person. Two, Rich is one of these guys that breaks up with a girl and then roots for her to get fat and ugly when he's done with her.

[Steve Covino]

Oh, well, I do that too. I'm not gonna lie about that. No, I'm just kidding.

[Rich Davis]

Well, you know what?

[Steve Covino]

He makes a good point. Bonix is very strong in his faith. He's a very faithful Christian. He doesn't. Well, he's not supposed to think that way. That's a terrible way to think. I want my team to fail if I'm not going to be there.

[Rich Davis]

I'm saying it's business as well. And by the way, I do. I root for my exes to do.

[Steve Covino]

Same to do well after the initial sting wears off.

[Rich Davis]

Just not as good as me. All right, let's say hi to Josh in Washington State.

[Caller/Listener]

Hey, how's it going?

[Rich Davis]

Hold on. Do you think Doug Gottlieb's rooting for Stu Gotts?

[Steve Covino]

I believe he was asked about it. I think there was an article about it somewhere.

[Rich Davis]

I'm just saying like. No, come on, give me a break. What's up, Josh? What's up, Josh?

[Steve Covino]

Josh.

[Rich Davis]

Let's go to Jerome in Charleston. What's up, Jerome?

[Caller/Listener]

I just want to tell you, Bo Nicks, you think what you said about Bonicks, that is some of the most preposterous BS I've probably heard. And I've heard a lot of BS out of people's mouth. This white guy told me the only reason I got accepted into the military, I spent, like, almost nine years in the Air Force is because I was black. I said, that guy don't know. He can't even tell you what my name was.

[Steve Covino]

Wait, you're telling me.

[Rich Davis]

You're telling me my Bonick statement is more preposterous than that idiot that said that to you?

[Caller/Listener]

No, but it's pretty high up there.

[Rich Davis]

Okay? It's pretty high. So second only to a racist idiot you bumped into is my dumb statement about Bonet?

[Steve Covino]

No, no, no, because it's true to what you're saying, Rich, but you're taking it one step too far. Nobody wants you to have a better time or better experience or a greater victory without you. Right?

[Rich Davis]

Yeah.

[Steve Covino]

But you don't want everyone else to fail at your expense either. So, yeah, you want to be missed. Everybody wants to be missed. But I don't think he wants his team to lose.

[Dan Beyer]

That's what it is. Yeah, you hit it on the nail there. There was a time cove where I had KOA in the. What is it? The NICU at the hospital. And so I missed a couple. A day, a few days. And I remember thinking, I don't want the show to go off the rails. I did everything I could on my phone, my laptop. I listened. Everybody was having fun, made sure everything was going smooth. I don't want the show to fail, but you want to come back and have people say, man, it wasn't the same without you.

[Steve Covino]

Thank God Danny's back.

[Dan Beyer]

So, Rich, it is like, 90, 98%. I want it to go good. Probably 2% of those ill feelings.

[Rich Davis]

And I'm not backtracking. I'm just saying. I'm talking about that 2%. Maybe that 2% is tucked away there somewhere. But everyone wants to feel wanted in a family, in a marriage, in a job. Everywhere you are, you want to feel wanted. And I know Bo Nix is a leader and a good man of faith, so I know you guys can come down on me. I'm just saying there is a little part of a little part of him. It's like, all right, let's slow down now, because if Jared Stidham plays well, goes to the super bowl, wins the super bowl, the city of Denver will just put Jared Stidham on this pedestal. And Bo Nix just is sort of.

[Dan Beyer]

Like, hey, guys, I think that's where the 2% could increase.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, they're all great athletes. Stidham's going to step up you know, it makes me think of Too Rich. How it was so blatantly obvious when Montana and Steve Young were playing together, like neither one of them wanted each other to do that. Much better than the other person.

[Rich Davis]

They openly said, I'm better than the other guy.

[Steve Covino]

That's so funny. But most guys have to feel that way and think that way. It's just part of the game. No competitors.

[Rich Davis]

No, I'll tell you this. I think that I'm also thinking this because remember earlier in the year, even really intelligent, reputable guys like Colin Cowherd and other folks are saying at times we're not quite sure Bo Nix is the answer.

[Steve Covino]

Right.

[Rich Davis]

Remember, there's been narratives where it's like they're good, but I don't know. Bo Nix is the guy. Now when Fred Warner's hurt and he's Rooting for the 49ers, I believe it because it's undeniable. He's the best. Bo Nix is still trying to prove himself. If Bo Nix was a.

[Steve Covino]

That's what I meant by the cream rises to the top. If Bo Nix is that guy anyway, he's gonna be that guy.

[Rich Davis]

But if Bo Nix was Patrick Mahomes and Mahomes got hurt and he was rooting for the Chiefs, I would believe more that Mahomes is rooting for the backup quarterback. Because whoever it is, is not Mahomes. Bo Nix is replaceable. That's all I'm saying.

[Steve Covino]

But by Jared Stidham, I don't know.

[Rich Davis]

Knicks got you the number one. I mean, the defense really got him the number one seed. Like that offense was hard to watch at times, but he was good in the playoffs up until his injury. Well, we shall see. Let's go to DB for an update.

[Steve Covino]

Hey, db.

[Rich Davis]

Glad I riled you guys up a little bit. What's up, DP Guys?

[Dr. Jesse Mills]

A story that is happening right now in golf. Scotty Scheffler leads the American Express at 17 under par. But he shares the lead with 18 year old blades Brown. Brown turned professional last year during his senior year of high school when he was 17 years old. He has a birdie putt on the 18th hole to shoot 59. It would be the 15th sub 60 round in PGA Tour history. Doing it in Palm Desert at the Nicklaus tournament course. They play a bunch of different courses for this tournament, so a bit of history. So while Scotty Scheffler's name grabs a lot of the headlines, the youngster, 18 year old, I looked it up. He was born in May of 2007.

[Steve Covino]

Wow.

[Dr. Jesse Mills]

On May 21, I'm like, I probably remember what I did that day.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah. By the way, it's like, did you watch Apple TV's stick?

[Dr. Jesse Mills]

No.

[Rich Davis]

It's like that young golfer. Santi, I have no idea who you're.

[Dr. Jesse Mills]

Talking about, but you've talked about this show a lot. It's one of these shows that just has not made it yet to the top of the queue.

[Rich Davis]

DB I know you're a big golfer. Are you going to do the TikTok trend where you see guys are golfing and there's a sound clip of Tiger woods saying, oh, nice shot, man. And people are doing like, yeah, I went golfing with Tiger.

[Dr. Jesse Mills]

Yes, yes, I've seen those. The Buffalo Bills today interviewed Philip Rivers for their head coaching vacancy. Yes, that Philip Rivers. They also spoke with Mike McDaniel, the former Dolphins head coach and current Chargers offensive coordinator after he took the job earlier this week. AFC Championship game. It will be the Patriots and Broncos. No J.K. dobbins for Denver. He was activated or they opened up the 21 day practice window, I should say. But not activated in time for AFC championship game on Sunday. So they will not have J.K. dobbins. The Broncos won't. Patriots 1 of Harold Landry for the game. Seahawks have Sam Darnold off the injury report. He's ready to start. Despite that oblique issue, the 2026 College Football Playoff bracket will continue to have 12 teams in the bracket next season. Indiana's Fernando Mendoza is declared for the 2026 NFL Draft. Cornerback D' Angelo Pons also turning pro. Finally, the NCAA will allow Division 1 schools to wear commercial advertisement logos and patches on uniforms. Starting on August 1, a maximum of four logos or patches will be allowed to be placed on uniforms. Guys, back to you.

[Steve Covino]

Thanks, Dan. And you know what? Speaking of Philip Rivers, we gotta talk about him, too. We gotta talk about this and play Brainwave. We got prizes to give away, weekend hobnobbing and more.

[Rich Davis]

Let's do it More next. Right here, Covino and Rich.

[John Paulk]

I'm John Paulk. For years, I was the poster boy of the conversion therapy movement. The ex gay who married an ex lesbian and traveled the world telling my story of how I changed my sexuality from gay to straight. Once upon a time, I was on 60 Minutes, Oprah, the front cover of Newsweek, and you might have heard my story, but you've never heard the real story. So join me as I peel back the layers and expose what happened to me in the midst of conversion therapy to shine a light on what the X Game movement does to people and the pain it continues to cause.

[Questlove]

I had lost £150 because if I.

[Steve Covino]

Couldn'T control my sexuality, I was going to control my weight.

[Chelsea Handler]

It sounded like, and this is the word I used, a cult.

[John Paulk]

And as I look too at the harm I did from within. Listen to Atonement, the John Paulk story on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Chelsea Handler]

This season on Dear Chelsea with me, Chelsea Handler. We've got some incredible guests like Kumail Nanjiani. Let's start with your cat. How is she?

[Rich Davis]

She is not with us anymore.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay, great, great, great way to start. So this is a great beginning and hopefully you'll be able to, I don't know, maybe you will cry. Amanda Seyfried. Life is so short. If you feel something like that, you have that fire in you for this experience. It's not for a guy. It's for the experience of being in love and like, it's bigger than a guy. Elizabeth Olsen. I love swimming naked so much. And I know you love taking pictures of yourself. I love to be naked. I just want to be in my bra underwear all the time. Ross Matthews. You know what kids always say to me? Are you a boy or girl? Oh, my God, all the time.

[Rich Davis]

I know.

[Chelsea Handler]

So I'm always like, hi. I try to butch it up for kids, kids, you know, so they're not confused. Yeah, but you're butching it up. It's basically like an angry Woman. Doris Day, right? No, I turn into Bea Arthur. Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Questlove]

Hey, what's up y'?

[Rich Davis]

All?

[Questlove]

This is Questlove. Recently I had the opportunity to sit down with ASAP Rocky ahead of his album release. Don't be dumb. He reflects on his journey from his Harlem roots to global icon status, discovering the hip hop origin of his name.

[Danny G]

The ledge was on the tv. Rakim had the bucket hat. Kangol joint on. Pops was like, that's Rakim. That's who you named after. I just was like, damn, that got swag.

[Questlove]

Raki offers a window into not only a boundary breaking artist, but as a man committed to fusing creative ideas, community, and remaining unapologetically himself. Have you ever gotten roasted for any of your outfits?

[Danny G]

For sure. Some people don't be getting the vision. Look, they could roast me, they could cook me, they could deep fry me, they could saute whatever they want. There's nobody who can. With my fashion sense, and my taste is impeccable. I'm just like, I impress myself a lot.

[Questlove]

It's an amazing conversation, one you definitely don't want to miss. So listen to the Questlove show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Mike De la Rocha]

Every January, we're encouraged to start over. But what if this year is about slowing down and learning how to understand ourselves more deeply? What if this year is about giving ourselves permission to feel what we've been holding and knowing that it's okay to ask for help? I'm Mike De la Rocha, host of Sacred Lessons. This is a podcast for men navigating stress, emotional health, fatherhood, identity, and the unspoken pressures we're taught to carry alone. We talk honestly about mental health, about healing generational wounds, and about learning how to show up with more presence and care. If you want a healthier relationship with yourself and the people you love, then Sacred Lessons is the podcast for you. Listen to Sacred Lessons with Mike Dolarocha on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow Sacred Lessons with Mike de la Rocha and start listening on the free iHeartRadio app today.

[Steve Covino]

All right, welcome back to the show. Covino and Rich. We're gonna go over our picks this weekend, conference championship weekend. And we're gonna get you involved. We're giving away prizes. 87799 on Fox. That's the number. And of course, at Covino and Rich, on social media, at Steve Covcovino, at Rich Davis. Hey, hit us with a follow. Let's be friends.

[Rich Davis]

Can I ask people for, like, a random personal favor besides following us on YouTube?

[Steve Covino]

What is it?

[Rich Davis]

I meet my. My girl softball team today. Today's practice one with my daughter's 8U team.

[Steve Covino]

Okay.

[Rich Davis]

We're coming up with a team name today, and we're the red team. So if you could, what would be a cool name for a red team for girls 8 and younger? Think of that. Hey, DM me at rich Davis. Because today we were picking a team name, and I was like, you know, I should probably come with a couple cool ideas. I am the coach. I was thinking the Heartbreakers. One of the kids is like, one of my daughter's friends. Like, what about the Hot Cheetos? Like, that's cool. They could be the Red Hot Cheetos. And they could get, like, Cheeto socks or something.

[Steve Covino]

Red Hot Cheetos. That's great.

[Rich Davis]

Cheeto Peppers.

[Dan Beyer]

The Ginger Snaps.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, like Joe. Hey, The Shirley Temples. The Shirley Temples. Honestly.

[Steve Covino]

Got a lot of little Mexican kids on your team. How about the red Hot Cholo peppers?

[Rich Davis]

Oh, the red hot cholo Peppers.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah. How about that?

[Rich Davis]

You got to think, too. There's gonna be a. Like a. No, no, I'm sorry.

[Steve Covino]

Chola, chola.

[Rich Davis]

Oh, the chola peppers.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah.

[Rich Davis]

Cholula peppers. The Cholula peppers.

[Steve Covino]

We're live in la. It's Covino and Rich live from the Fox Sports Radio studio. And it's time for our tire rack play of the day. Are you ready for it, kids?

[Rich Davis]

Let's go, kids.

[Steve Covino]

Sixers got it done in overtime against the Rockets Rocket.

[Rich Davis]

And the Rockets are going to play on no timeout for now. Sixes by four. 126, 122. Here comes Almonte Thompson. Thompson driving it into the lane. Spins. Sixers steal the ball. And now it's loose again. And Newberg gets it. He goes to Joel. 10 seconds. Embiid lead past Maxie. Maxey's gonna dunk it. The Sixers are gonna beat the Houston rockets.

[Steve Covino]

That was Curtis 28, 122 of Sixers Radio Network.

[Rich Davis]

The Rockets.

[Steve Covino]

And that was our tire rack play of the day.

[Rich Davis]

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[Steve Covino]

Special teams put them ahead like if.

[Rich Davis]

If Denver wins because let's say they beat the Patriots 13, 6 and in the super bowl, it's like a low scoring game and it's the really just the defense. Bo Nicks secures his job while at the same time he could be happy for his teammates and his team.

[Steve Covino]

We'll see what happens this weekend. I have a prediction and you'll hear about it.

[Rich Davis]

All right, well, we're going to do our super bowl predictions, plus we're going to do brainwave, which is slowly becoming, I think, one of the more popular games around here at Fox Sports Radio. That's where you have to decide. Are you on the same brainwave as all the doofuses on this show? Can you. Can you think the way we do? Find more than one doofus is a doofi.

[Steve Covino]

That's plural. Doofus.

[Rich Davis]

I'm sorry, dude. Do five. Oh. Can I give you one more backup that really stepped up in the clutch? Let's take you back.

[Steve Covino]

Danny Zuko on Thunder Road. When Kaniki went down, Danny Zuko stepped up.

[Rich Davis]

Oh, no, I was going to say. I was going to say Jefferson when he took over for Steve on Married With Children.

[Steve Covino]

Dude, that's a great one. Because I was like, oh, man, Steve is great.

[Rich Davis]

Danny G. Loved the new Aunt Viv. Is that. Can we say that?

[Steve Covino]

No way. I know. No, you know, that's a really great example because everybody loved Steve and then Jefferson came in. Oh, wait, but I like Jefferson, too. That's cool.

[Rich Davis]

You know what?

[Steve Covino]

Because Kutcher didn't do as good of a job when Sheen went out.

[Rich Davis]

Charlie Sheen. You know what? I know that Michael J. Fox sort of loved when no one liked Teen Wolf. Jason Bateman, right?

[Steve Covino]

Yeah.

[Rich Davis]

But you know what? I'll give you a real one. 1992, we were all kids. Frank Wright in that amazing Buffalo Bills playoff game. It was only a wild card game, but one of the most remarkable games ever. He was a backup, obviously, for Jim Kelly, and that was just a memorable game. One of the biggest comebacks ever. So there you go. All right, more Covino and Rich. We'll do our picks next right here. Fox Sports Radio.

[Steve Covino]

Hey, it's Joel and Matt from how to money. If your New Year's resolution is to finally get your finances in shape, we've got your back prices, they're still high and the economy is all over the place. But 2026 is the year for you to get intentional and make real progress. That's right, yeah. Each week we break down what's happening with your money, the most important issues to focus on, and the small moves that make a big difference. Kick off the year with confidence. Listen to how to Money on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dr. Jesse Mills]

This is Dr. Jesse Mills, host of the Mailroom podcast. Each January, men promise to get stronger, work harder, and fix what's broken. But what if the real work isn't physical at all? I sat down with psychologist Dr. Steve Poulter to unpack shame, anxiety and the emotional pain men were never taught how to name.

[Rich Davis]

Part of the way through the valley of despair is realizing this has happened.

[Steve Covino]

And you have to make a choice.

[Caller/Listener]

Whether you're going to stay in it or move forward.

[Dr. Jesse Mills]

Our two part conversation is available now. Listen to the mailroom on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.

[John Paulk]

I'm John Paulk. For years, I was the poster boy of the conversion therapy movement. The ex gay who married an ex lesbian and traveled the world telling my story of how I changed my sexuality from gay to straight. You might have heard my story, but you've never heard the real story. John has never been anything but gay.

[Steve Covino]

But he really tried hard not to be gay.

[John Paulk]

Listen to Atonement, the John Paulk story on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Questlove]

Hello. Hello, all my people. What's up? It's Questlove. Recently, I had the opportunity to sit down with the one and only A dollar AP Rocky. He reflects on his journey from Harlem roots to global icon status and discovering the hip hop origin of his name.

[Danny G]

The ledge was on the tv. Rakim had the bucket hat Kangol joint on. My pops was like, that's Rakim. That's who you named after. I just was like, damn, that got swag.

[Questlove]

But listen to the Questlove show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Steve Covino]

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.