Hour 1 – Dan Responds to Don Van Natta

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 1: Dan Responds to Don Van Natta

Release Date: August 7, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of The Dan Patrick Show, host Dan Patrick delves into a contentious discussion surrounding ESPN's recent 10% stake acquisition in the network's partnership with the NFL. The spotlight is cast on the integrity of sports journalism, particularly focusing on ESPN senior writer Don Van Natta and his investigative reporting on the NFL Players Association (NFLPA).

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Main Discussion: ESPN's Conflict of Interest with the NFL

Devin’s Concerns on Journalistic Integrity

At [02:44], Devin initiates the conversation by addressing the potential conflict of interest arising from ESPN's financial ties with the NFL. He expresses skepticism about the impartiality of ESPN’s coverage, especially in light of their business relationship with the league.

Devin: "There is a conflict of interest. I think we can all agree to that." ([14:27])

He further elaborates on the evolution of ESPN's journalistic standards, lamenting the decline in investigative reporting.

Dan’s Perspective and Support for Devin

Dan Patrick supports Devin’s viewpoint, emphasizing the importance of unbiased journalism in sports media. He highlights the shift from content-driven reporting to analytics-based programming, which often sidelines in-depth investigative stories.

Dan Patrick: "It's about today and tomorrow and the next day. Covering the NFL Players Association is a whole lot different than covering the NFL." ([22:34])

Don Van Natta’s Reaction and the Personal Stakes

The discussion intensifies when Devin brings up Don Van Natta's dissatisfaction with his (Devin’s) approach to ESPN articles. Devin recounts how Van Natta felt personally affronted by Devin’s comments on not reading his work, sparking a debate about professional respect and journalistic duty.

Devin: "Don was doing an expose on the NFL Players Association and by all accounts did a great job. Now, I did know that Mike Florio and Pablo Torre were doing things and they added to the story..." ([25:15])

Van Natta's criticism leads Devin to reflect on the challenges of maintaining journalistic integrity in a commercially driven media landscape.

Devin: "Because I ask good questions. I ask the right questions. I ask questions that can be uncomfortable." ([25:44])

Perception vs. Reality in Media Reporting

A pivotal moment occurs when Devin underscores the difference between covering the NFLPA and the NFL itself, arguing that the former requires a more nuanced and unbiased approach.

Devin: "There is a perception of, and it's been there before now it's not perceived. Now you're in business with the NFL. That was the point I was trying to make because I offhandedly said, I don't know if they did a deep dive on the NFL Players Association." ([28:03])

Dan and Devin discuss the broader implications of ESPN's restructuring deal, which includes a partnership stake with CBS, exacerbating concerns about media impartiality.

Dan Patrick: "There's a Wall Street Journal piece that came out this morning that as part of this new restructuring deal with the NFL Network, the NFL is also going to have a 10% partnership stake with CBS." ([33:27])

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Smelling Salts Controversy in the NFL

Discussion on NFL's Ban

Shifting gears, the show tackles the recent NFL decision to ban the use of smelling salts on sidelines, a move influenced by a Federal Drug Administration (FDA) report citing potential health risks.

Dan Patrick: "Lot of people are speculating that the FDA caused this. The FDA did a report just about a year ago that said different types of these inhaling ammonia products can lead to coughing, airway restriction, eye and nose irritation, and long term effects on your breathing, seizures, migraine, et cetera." ([07:46])

Fan and Player Reactions

Devin and the hosts discuss the prevalence of smelling salts among players and question the accessibility and safety of these substances, especially concerning younger athletes.

Devin: "Weightlifters use these before a big lift. They'll take a hit and then all of a sudden it's like." ([06:24])

Regulatory Implications

The conversation highlights the NFL's intention to mitigate liability by restricting controlled substances like smelling salts, thereby ensuring player safety.

Devin: "It feels like the NFL is saying we want to remove any liability here. If you want to take it, you bring your own." ([06:57])

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Preseason Football Updates: Shador Sanders Situation

Mary Kay Cabot’s Insights

Mary Kay Cabot from 92.3 The Fan in Cleveland provides an update on Shador Sanders, the Cleveland Browns' quarterback, emphasizing the team's strategy to support his transition into the NFL.

Maria Hinojosa: "They are doing the right way with him and making sure that he is successful as he comes up the learning curve." ([22:06])

Team Support and Public Perception

The discussion underscores the Browns' commitment to Sanders, countering the narrative that the team is setting him up for failure by giving him more playing opportunities against strong teams like Carolina.

Devin: "It's the opportunity you want. Not, hey, you got to ease him into this. Shador Sanders comes in full of confidence, ready to go." ([22:26])

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Listener Calls and Interactions

Debate on Journalistic Integrity

Listeners express varied opinions on Devin and Dan's critique of ESPN, with some defending the necessity of investigative journalism and others questioning the feasibility of maintaining unbiased reporting amidst commercial pressures.

Listener (Noah): "I just don't understand. I think it sort of reinforces the point that you may have overlooked it because it's not getting the attention it deserves." ([32:11])

Audience Engagement

The hosts interact with listeners, addressing concerns and highlighting the importance of independent journalism in today's media environment.

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Conclusion

In this episode, The Dan Patrick Show navigates the intricate dynamics between sports journalism and commercial interests. Through candid discussions and listener interactions, Dan Patrick and his co-hosts shed light on the challenges of maintaining journalistic integrity in an industry heavily influenced by corporate partnerships. The episode not only critiques ESPN's evolving role but also champions the necessity for unbiased reporting to uphold the credibility and depth of sports journalism.

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Notable Quotes

• Devin on Conflict of Interest: "There is a conflict of interest. I think we can all agree to that." ([14:27])

• Dan on Covering the NFLPA vs. NFL: "Covering the NFL Players Association is a whole lot different than covering the NFL." ([22:34])

• Devin on Asking Good Questions: "I ask questions that can be uncomfortable." ([25:44])

• Dan on ESPN's Restructuring: "There's a Wall Street Journal piece that came out this morning that as part of this new restructuring deal with the NFL Network, the NFL is also going to have a 10% partnership stake with CBS." ([33:27])

• Dan on Smelling Salts: "Lot of people are speculating that the FDA caused this... different types of these inhaling ammonia products can lead to coughing, airway restriction, eye and nose irritation..." ([07:46])

• Maria on Shador Sanders: "They are doing the right way with him and making sure that he is successful as he comes up the learning curve." ([22:06])

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This comprehensive summary encapsulates the key discussions and insights from the episode, providing a clear understanding for listeners who haven't tuned in. The inclusion of notable quotes with timestamps enhances the depth and authenticity of the summary.

Transcript

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[Az Fudd]

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[Manny]

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[Noah]

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[Devin]

Take it all.

[Manny]

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[Devin]

I'm Noah.

[Manny]

This is Devin, and we're best friends and journalists with a new podcast called no Such Thing, where we get to the bottom of questions like that. Why are you screaming at me? I can't expect what to do now if the rule was the same, go off on me.

[Devin]

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[Manny]

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[Devin]

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[Noah de Barrasso]

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[Devin]

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[Maria Hinojosa]

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[Devin]

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[Noah de Barrasso]

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[Devin]

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio Hour 1 on this Thursday, Dan and the Dan. That's Dan Patrick Show. Come on in. Stay a while. Gang's all here. Fritz, he's here. Satan, Marv, Paulie, yours truly. The back room guys, good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, thank you for downloading the app to watch the program and those listening on the radio. Over 400 cities carrying the program. First hour brought to you by Mako. Most cars on the road could use a little tlc. At Mako, they bring your car back to life. Affordable paint jobs, light collision repairs. Get a free estimate today. Oh, better get Mako. Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. Preseason football coming up tonight and you have the Colts and the Ravens, the Bengals and the Seahawks and I think one other game coming up tonight, Bengals, Eagles and then Raiders and the Seahawks. So three games coming up tonight and we get to start judging quarterbacks in the preseason. I'm already seeing articles about, oh, are the Browns setting Shador Sanders up to fail as he opens up his NFL career on Friday night against Carolina. And I was trying to understand the logic behind this because he hasn't been taking reps as the first string quarterback. He's been with second and third teamers. Well, now he's going to be there with the first teamers against Carolina. I don't know how that sets him up to fail. Now you're with more talented players, players that you might have on your team when you're the starting quarterback at some point during the NFL season. But we're already, you know, it's already shifting towards what happens if, you know, he doesn't do well in the first game. I think they're making him, not making him, they're having him start because everybody else is injured. I don't know if that's setting him up for failure. You need somebody to play quarterback. I don't think Teddy Bridgewater is ready to play. It's a great opportunity for Shador Sanders. I hope he does well and you get to play with the first team and maybe take some first team reps today and get ready for Friday night's game against Carolina. But I don't think he's being set up to fail. Not giving him a chance to play would be setting him up to fail. If he can play, hopefully he'll showcase that. Coming up on Friday night, we'll explore some of the other football matchups and battles going on in preseason. Our good buddy Ross tucker will stop by. 877-3-DP show email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle the DP show operator Tyler sitting by. He'll take your phone calls. By the way, we did talk about the smelling salt. I is it smelling salt gate is that we elect to throw gate. We attach that to a lot of different things when there's a controversy. The NFL is saying you can't use smelling salts on the sidelines. You can bring your own. But they want to take away the liability, I believe, of smelling salts and they're worried about what it does. If you've had a concussion and somebody gives you a smelling salt and it might wake you up to be able to go back out there and play. But it's, it's bring your own smelling salts to the sidelines. Yes. Todd. It didn't pass the smell test for the NFL. Decided they needed to make a four minutes in. I'll give you a bloop. Yes, Paulie.

[Dan Patrick]

I didn't realize how many players used them. Over the past 24 hours, it's been become a story. So now every local reporter is asking players about it, like different players. There's a player for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers that says, I use them before every single defensive drive. They're commonplace. You just don't catch them on TV that much. But they're very commonplace.

[Devin]

Weightlifters use these before a big lift. They'll take a hit and then all of a sudden it's like. And then you go, but I was wondering about this, that, you know, are they readily available that you can get smelling salts? Where I'm not sure. I guess you, you can order them, but are they worried about kids using them as it? Is it going to trickle down to, you know, Pop Warner? I'm not sure, but it feels like the NFL is saying we want to remove any liability here. If you want to take it, you bring your own. Yes.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Seaton, Is this something we should be incorporating into the morning routine around here?

[Devin]

I told Dylan to see if he could order some. Just I don't know if you guys have ever experienced smelling salt. Yes, that's Going to be the feeling. That's going to be the. The look, the sound of it. It is going to. You know, there's that Bose speaker commercial where the speakers are on and the guy's hair is blown back and his face is blown back and sort of the feeling you get when you do spelling salts. I remember doing them in high school, playing football for my limited experience of freshman football in high school for the Mason Comets. But you would take a hit of that and it's like, yes, Paulie, A.

[Dan Patrick]

Lot of people are speculating that the FDA caused this. The FDA did a report just about a year ago that said different types of these inhaling ammonia products can lead to coughing, airway restriction, eye and nose irritation, and long term effects on your breathing, seizures, migraine, et cetera, et cetera. And so the NFL just got this report last year right before the season. Maybe that's what caused the trickle down effect.

[Devin]

Okay. Yeah, it kind of came out of nowhere, but having used it a couple of times, I didn't like it. But it wasn't for a concussion. I think it was just getting ready for contact with an Oklahoma drill that we were going to do playing high school football. Oklahoma drill. Yeah, I know. I love the Oklahoma drill where you're lying on your back and then the other guy's lying on your back and they go. And then you jump up and then you run into each other. They called it the Oklahoma drill. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. That was the good old days. That's what, that's. That's the way we used to do it. Yes, Paul.

[Dan Patrick]

So when you play grade school football and you stink like I did, you'd be in line for the Oklahoma drill and, and you look across and if you saw Richie Alcott, number 51, you went back in line a couple spots because you didn't not want to get cooked by Richie.

[Devin]

You didn't want somebody wearing Dick Butkus's number, number 51. All right, we'll get to a poll question today. I do want to mention there was a topic yesterday. We spent a lot of time, maybe too much time, it talked about the NFL was buying 10% of ESPN. There's a merger between NFL Network and ESPN. And the point that I made and want to continue to make, there is a conflict of interest. I think we can all agree to that. Now, if you don't care about it, and maybe you don't, but for me, I worry about that. But, you know, this is the old school in me that, you know, with ESPN and having been there 18 years. And I mentioned that, you know, are they going to have journalism? Are they going to cover the NFL? And, and I didn't mention any names. But, but there was one person at the mothership, Don Van Natta, who is a senior writer who's been on the show. I think last time he was on five years ago to talk about a deep dive he did on the decision with LeBron James. And he's been on the show a couple of times. He's a very good journalist. He took it personally when I was saying I don't know if they did a deep dive on the NFL Players association mess. And, and once again, this is live radio and I'm saying I don't know. So I'm not making a declarative statement. I'm just saying I don't know. Well, Don Van Natta took it personally that I don't go to ESPN.com and read his articles. I don't go to ESPN.com, okay? I don't. If there's an article, the Danets will bring it to my attention. Hey, this is, I did it out of principle when I left espn. Like I'm, I'm gonna put ESPN in my rear view mirror and I really, it's not part of my morning or routine of going there. So I missed that. Don was doing an expose on the NFL Players association and by all accounts did a great job. Now, I did know that Mike Florio and Pablo Torre were doing things and they added to the story, collusion story. They sent the stories to us. We had them on. We had JC Treader on who was second in command at the nflpa. It's not a story that, you know, we were staying away from. But Don Van Benda said that he was embarrassed for me because I didn't know that he is the one who had the story initially. I don't know if they promoted you correctly, Don, to be honest with you, I don't know if you were on First Take. I don't know if you're on NFL Live. I don't know if you're on Get Up. I know that Pablo Torre and Mike Floor, Mike Florio were there front and center promoting this and got a lot of attention here. So I apologize for that, that I didn't know that you were the person, the originator of this story there to say you're embarrassed for me because I didn't see the article. I said that out loud. I'm. I don't know if you guys did a deep dive and I Wasn't talking about you. You made it personal about me and, you know, about being a journalist. I said at the point, I didn't know. And also, you know, when you. When you start. You started out that way, you miss what the real point was. Is. Is. Is there a conflict of interest? Like, that's the discussion here, Not. I missed that you did something on the. And by the way, it's not on the NFL. Your expose was on the NFL Players Association. There's a big difference in that. So we've reached out to Don if he wants to join us. Great. You may not even care about this, but when you say you're embarrassed for me and then, you know, you want to show me your resume and I'll show you mine, and, you know, we could have a. We can have a private conversation here, but if you call me out, you're embarrassed. Imagine if you did this. You did your article live. Because that's what I do every day. I write columns every single day for three hours. And sometimes you make mistakes. And, you know, by saying that there's not an investigative arm inside ESPN that's on me. I made a mistake. I know where your office is. And, you know, it's been scaled down greatly. I hope you continue to fight the good fight, Don. I hope you and your staff fight the good fight. But now is when you're judged. From here on out is when you're judged covering the NFL, not what you did before. It'd be like me saying, I'm not any good at this, but, man, was I good at SportsCenter. No one cares. It's about today and tomorrow and the next day. Covering the NFL Players association is a whole lot different than covering the NFL. And you have to admit, which you didn't, it's a conflict of interest if the perception is a conflict of interest. And that was the point that I was trying to make there. I wish you well. But if you want to have a conversation on the show or privately, I'd love to. I have nothing against you. You're the one who made it personal. All right. And thank you all the people on social media who stood up for me and sent me the article, and I got way too many articles sent to me. Very happy. But I hope to restore my journalistic credentials here. This entire show. I got three hours to do it, and perhaps I'll do that. But there's a reason why the commissioner of the NFL has not been on this show for over a decade. Because I ask good questions. I ask the right questions. I ask questions that can be uncomfortable. We take pride in what we do and how we do it. And because I offhandedly said I'm wondering because I didn't read your expose, I'll, I'm going to renew my ESPN.com subscription.

[Dan Patrick]

Paul 1999 a year I'm special.

[Devin]

Is that what it is?

[Dan Patrick]

Get you.

[Devin]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Former employee, right?

[Devin]

Yeah. But this is another thing. I don't, you know, they have analytics that say, hey, we're covering this and this and this and this and this. Don is in the buzzkill business. His, his job is to find the negative side of things. I mean, he's trying to find the seedy underbelly here. And I don't know if get up and first take and some of these other shows go, hey, come on down, let's spend 10 minutes talking about this. And you know, it's unfortunate, but I've been there, I was there for a long time. A lot of people who were great journalists no longer work there. And I, I, I, you're, you're alone in the corner there, Don. And I hope that they add instead of subtracting there. I think that's really important to cover the NFL, not just the nflpa. All right, we'll take a break. We'll settle on A poll question here. 877-3-DP-SHOP. We're back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9:00am Eastern, 6:00am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

[Noah de Barrasso]

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[Manny]

Imagine that you're on an airplane and all of a sudden you hear this.

[J]

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[Manny]

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[Devin]

It's. It's just.

[Manny]

I can do my eyes closed. I'm Manny.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm Noah.

[Az Fudd]

This is Devin.

[Manny]

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[Devin]

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[Manny]

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[Devin]

See?

[Manny]

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[J]

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[iHeart Podcast Host]

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[Devin]

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[iHeart Podcast Host]

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[Devin]

Preseason football tonight. I'm ready. Colts, Ravens, Bengals, Eagles, Raiders and the Seahawks. Mary Kay Cabot covers the Cleveland Browns, talking about how the Browns are handling Shador Sanders.

[Noah]

I do think that they are doing this the right way with him and.

[Devin]

Making sure that he is successful as.

[Noah]

He comes up the learning curve. And they're flying in the face of what everybody wants them to do. But they have stuck to their guns and they're not succumbing to media pressure.

[Devin]

And public pressure and fan pressure they're not doing that.

[Noah]

They're doing what's right for Shador. And people have to understand that they're.

[J]

Doing what's right for the football team and for Shador.

[Devin]

That's courtesy of 92.3 the Fan in Cleveland. And Mary Kay Cabot's been covering the Cleveland Browns for decades. And she's right. This is the opportunity you want. Not, hey, you got to ease him into this. Shador Sanders comes in full of confidence, ready to go. We've been told he's ready to go. My source with the Brown says he's ready to go. He understands concepts. He's getting along with teammates. There's maturity there. There's a. Also a sense of, hey, I know my place here. But because of the injuries, he's going to get a chance to play against Carolina. What if he didn't get a chance to play? Then what would the outcry be? Oh, now they're setting him up to fail. Make up your mind. If I'm Shador, give me a chance. You got a chance. And I still believe at some point during this season, he'll be the starting quarterback for The Cleveland Browns. 877-3-DP Show Email Address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter Handle @DP Show by the way, I did spend some time in the first segment of the show. I talked about ESPN conflict of interest, the appearance of a conflict of interest with the NFL buying 10% of ESPN. And I questioned some of the journalistic practices of ESPN and how important it is to be covering the NFL. How will you cover the NFL? Don Van Natta is a great investigative reporter who works there. He took it personally. And we did reach out to Don to see if he wanted to join us. He said he was busy this morning, but told Fritzi to give me my best. What does that mean?

[Dan Patrick]

It's very thoughtful.

[Devin]

Yeah. After saying I'm embarrassed for you that you're gonna give. Give Dan my best.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Is that like, give him your best? Because you're gonna need it.

[Dan Patrick]

Because civil.

[Maria Hinojosa]

I am just so embarrassed.

[Devin]

I. Yeah. I don't know. Give Dan my best shot.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Sorry, I'm busy.

[Devin]

Yeah.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Oh, what, they don't have phones where you are for five minutes? You don't have it?

[Devin]

This isn't personal. It shouldn't be personal. He made it personal. I don't want to make it personal. He's very good at what he does. I don't know if ESPN really publicizes what he does and showcases him and puts him on the big shows. So I'm kind of fighting his fight inside while he's fighting me and not addressing the perception, perceived conflict of interest with espn. That's it. But you can't tell me, look at what I did with the NFL Players Association. That's not the NFL. And that was the. Those are the points that I'm trying to make. Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Paul, it's really tough to get investigative stories out there. It could be espn, fox, NBC, any sports network. They don't really like to do deep dives on tv. There's not the room for it. Producers don't want to do it because it's a bogged down topic with a lot of details. And so a lot of these stories don't get play. A show like Pablo Torre, his is a podcast that you choose to participate.

[Devin]

But you know he's going to do an investigative report.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. And you choose to listen to it or watch it on your own time.

[Devin]

Yes.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Which really sucks though, because the work that investigator journalists do is obviously important, but it is usually way more interesting than watching like, hey, we got two Sports center hosts going kayaking this morning. Let's check it out. Like, that's actually not why I watch SportsCenter is to see the host kayaking together. I really don't want to see that.

[Devin]

It feels like journalism is going to skip a generation. It does. And that's, that's sad because we took great pride in the stories that we covered when I worked at espn, when I worked with Bob Lee, when I worked with Keith Olbermann, we took great pride in that. But the person who really built SportsCenter, John Walsh, he was bringing in writers, guys who could do investigative work. And it just, it's content now. I mean, I have to get over the fact that ESPN is never going to be my espn. It's just not. Yeah, you go back to your old neighborhood, doesn't look the same, but it's still my old neighborhood. And I, once again, I hope that Don, Ben, when Don Van Natt has had exposes, for the most part, we've had him on. Like, I, I don't shy away from it. And, and I hope that he gets the opportunity to continue to do these stories. My point was there is a perception of, and it's been there before now it's not perceived. Now you're in business with the NFL. That was the point I was trying to make because I offhandedly said, I don't, I don't know if they did a deep dive on the NFL Players Association. That's where he was ashamed of me as a journalist. But I'll go back to what I said. It was an throwing it out there. We do a live show. Let me see you do a live column. We'll follow along with you as you do a live column. Let me see if you make any mistakes, but good luck with that. You took your shot. We can move on if you want to join us on the show. Great. All right. Poll question today. Seaton. No, it's not about him. It's not about him. I, I, I don't care. I don't care. You don't care?

[Maria Hinojosa]

Why you're talking about so much.

[Devin]

Well, let me talk about the Cowboys. Oh, really?

[Maria Hinojosa]

You don't care?

[Devin]

It sounds like you can.

[Maria Hinojosa]

That's my Internet voice for today.

[Devin]

Oh, really? Oh, you don't care? I care. I care. I just don't want to care. I thought we were supposed to talk about the Cowboys.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Are you talking about the Cowboys?

[Devin]

I don't want, I don't want to care anymore. I haven't been there for 18 years. I don't want to care anymore. What's the point?

[Maria Hinojosa]

Somebody once said described radio as. It's like one step above rodeo clown, which I don't really disagree with. I got to admit, it's pretty fair. And the I just saw from a good friend of ours that the sad. Okay, and this is meant as a joke.

[Devin]

Okay.

[Maria Hinojosa]

So don't everybody get upset.

[Noah]

What?

[Maria Hinojosa]

But the investigative journalist is essentially one step above the website ombudsman.

[Devin]

Yeah.

[Maria Hinojosa]

That's about the level of respect that you're getting these days. It's like, oh, really?

[Devin]

We don't care. What about.

[Maria Hinojosa]

You ever heard of the Ombudsman? Like, no. Yeah, dude, nobody cares about that.

[Devin]

Correction. We had an ombudsman at the mothership. I remember, I like, what does he do? And nobody could really tell me what he was doing. He kind of over would oversee what we were writing because we did write everything. The journalist in me was writing everything every night on SportsCenter. But the ombudsman. Yes, Paulie.

[Dan Patrick]

It's a very unique role. It's supposed to be completely autonomous. It's mostly at newspapers. The Ombudsman.

[Devin]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

And they, they can investigate whatever they want. They could critique whatever they want.

[Devin]

Yeah. It's just the, the days of investigative reporting, unfortunately, are slowly slipping away.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, Paul, and we've talked about this before, but it's a lot of, it's analytics based. It's what the audience wants. They give you more of it's. Like a restaurant. And so these different shows on different networks, they do a segment about the NFL pa, and people will tune out. And then they're like, well, we're not doing NFLPA again. It becomes a cycle. And then if you tune in because Shador Sanders got in a car wreck or got busted for speeding, they're going to talk more about Shador Sanders.

[Devin]

If you're flipping through and you see, oh, my God, they're talking about Micah Parson, Shador Sanders, whatever, or the NFL Players association, you're going to. The other ones, you're not going to go to that. But also, it's how your network promotes this and, and, you know, gives you the platform that's really the important part. We don't deal with analytics. Maybe we should, I don't know. But I, I want to come in and talk about what I want to talk about. I don't want to come in and have somebody say, here's the analytics. You have to talk about this, these three, four things. And there are shows that are really successful doing that. I just, that's not why I want to continue to do this. It's, it's fun to be able to come in and talk about what you want to come in and talk about. And, and it's not scripted, and we don't have a boss who's telling us these things. But when there are times to do a deep dive on something or it's something that's uncomfortable, you know, there, there is a scandal. You know, we don't shy away from it. It's not like I go, oh, boy, people are going to tune out. I hope that you trust me when I'm telling you about something that it is important, and here's why.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Yes, we can fast forward to, like, nine months from now when investigative journalists are choosing to quit their jobs because a piece that they wrote on the NFL got killed. Well, I mean, you've been criticized before in the past for having some news stories or breaking some news that people.

[Devin]

Are like, what, are you crazy?

[Maria Hinojosa]

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. And then nine months later, they release their own hey. Version of just broke this story.

[Devin]

Yeah. You know, that happened with college football when college football was being canceled and the journalist in me was breaking stories, and boy, they were not pleased. Talking hairdo. Breaking stories.

[Maria Hinojosa]

First of all, they all have contracts, so.

[Devin]

Yeah. And then they eventually came out and kind of apologized. I'm over it. Jake in Buffalo. Hi, Jake. What's on your mind today? Hi, Jake.

[Noah]

Hey, Dan. I think this issue, this little fight with Don Banana sort of reinforces the point of how little coverage the story is getting. It's a massive skit. The biggest sport in the country, the worldwide leader has exactly one person trying to bring attention to it. Seems like if it was something else, there would be a lot more attention. They a quick search of the ESPN website. There's like one clip in the last month giving this attention. I just don't understand. I think it sort of reinforces the point. You may have overlooked it because it's not getting the attention it deserves.

[Devin]

Yeah, and I missed it. I don't go to espn.com but I did hear Florio and I did hear Pablo Torre. Pablo, he called us. He called Paulie and said, hey, you want me to talk about this? Florio does a show that precedes ours. I was able to see these things. If Don was on with the other shows. If he was on First Take and I missed it, then that's on me. But just because I said I don't know what kind of deep dive and I didn't see your report, that doesn't make me less of a journalist. It makes me say, I wonder, I don't know what kind of, you know, publicity expose you did on the nflpa. All right, I found out, okay? I did find out. We did cover it. Yeah. Seaton.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Well, the good news is that while ESPN might not be covering it a ton, you can go to another network that's not in bed with the NFL and they're covering it heavily. That's the sarcasm font right there. Because, like, nobody is covering it because everybody's in bed with the NFL.

[Devin]

We're all completely, you know, captive by.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Like, we have to cover the NFL constantly.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, Paul, it's becoming the norm. There's a Wall Street Journal piece that came out this morning that as part of this new restructuring deal with the NFL Network, the NFL is also going to have a 10 partnership stake with CBS.

[Devin]

Oh, I know.

[Dan Patrick]

So it's not just limited to ESPN.

[Devin]

Yeah, I know. But this is, you know, CBS isn't on all. It's not omnipresent. ESPN is on all the time, and they got all these NFL shows. You got to fill those things up. I mean, there's only so many times when you could say, let's talk about Dax legacy. You know, there's other things, and hopefully there's room for these stories. Hopefully they cover these stories. Hopefully they don't kill or, you know, look the other way with these Stories, Gary in Iowa. Hi, Gary. What's on your mind today?

[Noah]

Good morning, Dan. Thank you for the call back.

[Devin]

Yep. Yeah.

[Noah]

So the smelly salts you can readily get off Amazon. I ordered a box yesterday. They should be here tomorrow.

[Devin]

My wife asked me, why do you need them, Gary?

[Noah]

I know, I know, but my wife asked me last night what they were for, and I told her, well, they'll open up your sinuses, so we'll see how that goes.

[Devin]

Oh, boy. Okay. You know what I would do? Blow my nose, Gary. That's how I'd open up my sinuses.

[Dan Patrick]

As an alternative, yes.

[Devin]

How about we just blow our nose? That would help. What else do you have for me, Gary?

[Noah]

Well, Don from the mothership, I think it's pretty weak. He wants to call you out and say you should be embarrassed, but yet it's pretty embarrassing for him. He don't want to appear on your show for five minutes to defend himself.

[Devin]

And he might be busy, Gary. You know, short notice. But I read this this morning, and then I came in and I said to Fritzi, invite Don Van Naata. I don't have anything against the guy. Yeah, just.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Let's just say it.

[Devin]

It's fine if you. But you're embarrassed for me. Okay, now. Now we have a conversation here. You know, maybe you regret sending that or using, you know, that word, but.

[Maria Hinojosa]

I wouldn't put those words in his mouth.

[Devin]

Yeah, you're right. My bad.

[Maria Hinojosa]

I wouldn't do that.

[Devin]

No. No, I. I won't. Maybe. Maybe it's like he wanted to say something stronger than that. Okay, we're done, aren't we? Billy in Nashville. Hi, Billy. What's on your mind today, Dan?

[Noah]

Good morning. Just wanted to remind you that Dan Van Naata, he did do a pretty hard hit on the NFL in conjunction with Seth Wickersham, if you'll remember. All the reporting that came out on Dan Snyder, that certainly shook up the league a little bit and had a lot of ownership.

[Devin]

He does a great job. That. That was not the point. I. Nobody's. I'm not. I'm not addressing his credentials, Billy. I. We. We talked about this yesterday, before the show even started. We. We named Paulie. Mentioning by name. It's not. Has nothing to do with his credentials. It's. He's embarrassed because I didn't realize that he broke this story about the nflpa. I'm. I'm talking about the. This is a bigger story than Don Van Nada, and it's not about. Let me show you my resume, and I'll show you your resume and we'll talk about. That's not what this is. He does a very good job. I, I, I not here to critique anything about that. He critiqued me that I'm not a journalist, and he was, you know, embarrassed for me. Okay, that's a little bit different there, but, yeah, great. He did a great job on Dan Snyder. Congratulations. That's your job. Hey, great job being an investigative reporter. That's your job being an investigative reporter. Oh, boy. Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Paul, Want some good news?

[Devin]

Yeah, sure.

[Dan Patrick]

Lee Corso, 90 today.

[Devin]

Yeah. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Mascot.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I got a second source that's correct.

[Devin]

Yes. Thank you.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Oh, is that the only birthday today, or we covering other birthdays, too? Why only Pablo Torres?

[Devin]

Birthday? Yes, Todd. Anyways, a handshake agreement, you know, binding. Anyway. Oh, you want to bring it back to the Cowboys? Handshake agreement. Back in my day, in a handshake agreement, why can't the agent be present? What's the problem? He could look in the eye. Back in my day, I would cut my finger, and then you would cut your finger, and then we would put our fingers together and we were, we.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Flipped a coin, too. Those fingers.

[Devin]

Yes, Marvin. That's the way it was back in the day. Yes. Paul.

[Dan Patrick]

I sent a note to a lawyer yesterday. I hesitate to bring this up to a trial lawyer. This guy's like a big time guy. And I said, would a handshake agreement hold up in court? And he says there are situations where it can. Now, I know this is different than a contract and stuff like this, but if, like, two parties make a verbal handshake agreement, that the shaking of the hands does nothing, but a verbal conversation between two parties can be admissible in court.

[Devin]

But he's already breaking a rule. Yes. By negotiating with his player. Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Jerry Jones is breaking a lot of rules.

[Devin]

You're not allowed to do that. No. So let's not get lost in the. Hey, we had a verbal agreement or a handshake. You're not allowed to be negotiating with him to get that verbal agreement.

[Dan Patrick]

The CBA has language that the representative for the player should be present during these negotiations.

[Devin]

Yes, Todd.

[Dan Patrick]

And I would think someone would have.

[Devin]

To have witnessed that conversation or that handshake, because then it's. He said. He said. I didn't shake his hand. I don't know what he's talking about. There would have to have been a third party to confirm it. Thank you. You're welcome. All right. Jeremy in Cincinnati. Hi, Jeremy.

[Noah]

What's on your Mind question for you, Dan, along the Micah Parsons line. And then I have a poll question if we have time.

[Devin]

Okay.

[Noah]

So we. I teach math. And so we had to do a couple problems yesterday. And so we were using Micah Parsons as an example. And this I know goes against everything everyone is saying. So he's 26 right now, and everyone's pushing to get the deal done early. But if you look from Jerry's point of view, if he drags it out through this year and paysing whatever, you know, eight less than what he would minimum be making, then franchise tagging next year.

[Devin]

Yeah.

[Noah]

He's only negotiating one more contract when he's 28, 29, where Trey Hendricks is now, where you're kind of on that bubble and this and that. If he does it early at 26, Mike is going to be pushing at the end of 28, beginning of 29, for another contract bump up.

[Devin]

Yeah, I think we talked about that a little bit yesterday or the day before about if Jerry wants to make this a little more uncomfortable with Micah Parsons. And thanks for the phone call. I just don't think he does because you have the entire team on Micah's side and I think probably most of America football fan wise on Micah's side with this. That Jerry's saying, hey, we weren't supposed to be talking, but we talked and we had an agreement there. It doesn't work that way. It can't work that way. That's why you have certified agents with the NFL. Pennsylvania. Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Paulie, this goes back to the bigger overall arching problem. If I were a Cowboys fan, I would want a general manager, a dispassionate person who gets contracts done and isn't trying to be in front of a microphone every week. That's the bigger, bigger problem.

[Devin]

Yeah, but he loves being the guy.

[Dan Patrick]

You can do all that and hire a business head to run, be the.

[Devin]

Gm, but he wants to be in there with the conversation with me. And I sat down with Micah and I looked at him in the eye and I said, yeah, I want you to be a leader and here's the deal. And you're going to agree to it right here. Shake my hand. Yes. Marvin, why'd you sound like Leonardo DiCaprio and Django Unchained? Oh, oh. I want you to shake. I apologize for that. Relax, Jerry. I'm not inspired by Leo's character there. Wow. But also sorry not to cut you off, but to cut you off again. Jerry thinks he's a football guy. He thinks to himself, I have. I have three super bowl rings as a general manager. Even though he didn't put the team together, Jimmy did. But in his head, he's like, no, no, I'm a football guy. I know football. So let me just keep doing this. Tom in Atlanta. Hi, Tom. What's on your mind?

[Noah]

Hey, Dan, thanks for calling.

[Devin]

Yeah.

[Noah]

You have this I feel embarrassed for you. Thing is, it's, it's such a passive aggressive, backhanded kind of insult that I'll be using in the office today. Hey, Jim, that lunch order. I feel embarrassed for you.

[Maria Hinojosa]

All the best.

[Devin]

Thank you, Tom. Yes. Give Dan my best. I'm embarrassed for me.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Best what? Right hook.

[Devin]

What the hell, dude? Yes, Todd, I don't know if that's the perfect example of passive aggressive. That's pretty aggressive. It's very clear what the person is saying. He's questioning your journalism. I don't know what's the confusion. And, and you know passive aggressive. Yes, you do.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Aggressive aggressive.

[Devin]

Nobody ever talks about somebody who's aggressive aggressive. It's just passive aggressive.

[Dan Patrick]

That's just aggressive aggressive.

[Devin]

How about we take a break here? All right, let's all collude and take a break here.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Like a union.

[Devin]

Back after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.

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[Manny]

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[J]

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[Manny]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Manny]

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[Devin]

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[Manny]

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[Noah]

Oh my God.

[Devin]

The play of the day. This is the play of the day. Check this out. Schneider gives one a ride to center field. Back up and watching it go. Davis.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Schneider with another bomb.

[Devin]

His second homer of the ball game is a three run shot. It travels 454ft and the Blue Jays now lead 19 to 1. Davis Schneider had three of Toronto's 24 hits in Toronto's 20 to 1 win over the Rockies. In the series, Toronto had 63 hits. That's the most by a baseball team in baseball history. The Rockies now 30 and 84. By the way, the run differential between the Rockies and their opponents. Minus 316. Oh, I have to go back to 1911. The Boston Rustlers had a worst run differential. That's the only. That's the team that had a worst run differential through this many games than.

[Dan Patrick]

Colorado Rustlers were an embarrassment.

[Devin]

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[Noah]

ADP just wanted to let you know you got a little bit of Jerry Jones going on from that guy that writes the articles for espn. He's losing relevancy. He's losing everything. And that was a 45 minute spread you just gave him for the last hour. Just wanted to point that out.

[Devin]

Well, it's. It's a interesting topic of journalism in society. So it's not about him, but thanks for the phone call. And I don't think he was saying what he said to me to get publicity. He wanted to give his side of the story. Of me saying, don't you realize that there is journalism at espn? And I did write this article and I didn't see the article. It wasn't showcased by espn. But I. I didn't make it personal. I don't. I couldn't care less. I hope he does his job. I hope he gets the opportunity to do his job. Yes.

[Maria Hinojosa]

You're sort of doing the equivalent of, you know, like when somebody is like talking trash about you, all this.

[Devin]

Yeah.

[Maria Hinojosa]

And you're like, who? No, I never even heard of them. No, I know. You're like, sorry, I just. I didn't even know you wrote that.

[Devin]

I didn't know he wrote the article.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Kind of the equival equivalent of like, sorry, I don't even know who that is.

[Devin]

It's the promotion of the article by espn.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Correct.

[Devin]

That was it. I just didn't see it. Good God. And that's passive aggressive. Thank you, Todd. Thank you, Todd. Brett in South Dakota. Hi, Brett. What's on your mind?

[Noah]

Dp T shirt idea. Not a journalist. I'll be the first to buy.

[Devin]

Thank you. Or just, I'm embarrassed for you. They could do that as a T shirt. Yes.

[Maria Hinojosa]

It is tough, though, to be like, like, hey, journalism is dead over there. This company of like 5,000 people and one guy is like, not so fast.

[Devin]

All right? We're done with this. We're. I'm done. I'm done with it. Yes, Paul.

[Maria Hinojosa]

I got another two hours, easy. I'm just saying.

[Dan Patrick]

Poor Todd over there, being deathly quiet because he has to deal with ESPN to book guests every week.

[Devin]

What do you want to have on tomorrow? We'll get back to you on that.

[Maria Hinojosa]

So now you want our NFL coverage.

[Devin]

Oh, you want dan Arlovski. About December 9th at 2:00'.

[Noah]

Clock.

[Maria Hinojosa]

You know, I actually think concussions are good for players. It's spinning things.

[Devin]

Turbo in Buffalo. Hi, Turbo.

[Noah]

Hey, Dan. I give you my best.

[Devin]

Thanks.

[Noah]

I have a stat of the day, but I'm not sure if the stat. Something I just thought about a couple days ago. I don't want to call him, but by the way, I have a minor in journalism, and Polly mentioned earlier the phrase ombudsman. Do you remember this one where they would say watchdog. You're supposed to be a watchdog.

[Devin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Noah]

You remember that?

[Devin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Noah]

Okay. Right before I get to my state of the day, there's two guests, because I heard you're bouncing in a couple years. Two guests that you have to have on one, obviously, Jenny Batche. The second one is Corbin from Fritzi's camp.

[Devin]

We've been trying to track down Corbin. There's a picture of Fritzi when he's, I don't know, youth camp counselor. And Fritzi and Corbin have their shirts off and their nipples are touching. And I was like, what is going on with that picture? Total photobomb. I just wanted to kind of pose by myself. And he just kind of snuggled up in his tank top next to me. Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, Paulie, the Item has a brief update. We were able to locate and connect with Corbin a couple years ago, but the response wasn't what the I team was looking for to be protect the source. And so we're in negotiations long term.

[Devin]

And I don't want to disrupt Jenny Batche's life any more than I did 50 years ago. You know, it was fleeting. She disrupted mine, I will say, but I don't want to do that to her. She's happily married, which is children, grandchildren. Yes.

[Maria Hinojosa]

I'm not really surprised that given the way we've covered the Corbin story, that he's not interested in coming on. I gotta admit, I. I don't know that that's.

[Devin]

Lovely. Lime green tank top.

[Noah]

I wasn't interested.

[Maria Hinojosa]

If only there was an investigative journalist who could track him down for us.

[Devin]

All right, we're done with that. We're done with that. Ah. Oh, I just see what you did there. Shut up.

[Az Fudd]

Hey, guys, it's Az Fudd. You may know me as a gold medalist, you may know me as an NCAA national champion. You may even know me as the people's princess. Every week on my new podcast, fut around and find out. I'll be talking to some special guests about pop culture, basketball, and what it's like to be a professional athlete on and off the court. Listen to FUT around and find out. A production of iHeart Women's Sports in partnership with Unanimous Media on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Manny]

Why are TSA rules so confusing?

[Noah]

You got a hoodie on.

[Devin]

Take it all.

[Manny]

I'm Manny.

[Devin]

I'm Noah. This is Devin.

[Manny]

And we're best friends and journalists with a new podcast called no Such Thing, where we get to the bottom of questions like that. Why are you screaming? I can't expect what to do now if the rule was the same, go off on me.

[Devin]

I deserve it, you know, Lock him up.

[Manny]

Listen to no Such thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Devin]

No Such Thing.

[Noah de Barrasso]

I'm NOAH and I'm 13. And I started this podcast because, honestly, adults don't ask the right questions. Now, you know with Noah de Barrasso is a show about influence. Who's got it, how they use it, and what it means for the rest of you. It's not the news. It's what the news should be if someone Gen Z or Gen Alpha made it. Politics is wild, and I'm definitely not here to tame it, but I'm here to make sense of it. Listen to now youw Know with Noah de Barrasto on the Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. When I became a journalist, I was the first Latina in the newsrooms where I work. I'm Maria Hinojosa. I spent my career creating journalism that centers voices who have been historically sidelined. From the most pressing news stories to deep cultural explorations, Latino USA is journalism with heart. Listen to Latino usa, the longest running Latino news and culture show in the United States. Hear it on the iHeartRadio app app podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Devin]

It's Black Business Month, and Black tech green money is tapping in. I'm Will Lucas, spotlighting black founders, investors and innovators building the future one idea at a time. Let's talk legacy tech and generational wealth.

[Noah de Barrasso]

I had the skill and I had the talent.

[Devin]

I didn't have the opportunity.

[Noah de Barrasso]

Yeah, we all know, right?

[Devin]

Genius is evenly distributed. Opportunity is not to hear this and more on the power of black innovation and ownership. Listen to Black Tech Green Money from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Noah de Barrasso]

This is an iHeart podcast.