Dan Patrick (3:08)

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. Hour one on this Thursday, ready to go. Football tonight, as we start week this is kind of clean up your mess or you start going south in a hurry. And for the Miami Dolphins, you better clean up your mess tonight on the road, you're a 12 and a half point underdog. And when you think about week three of the NFL season, it feels like a turning point for some of these teams because if you started out 02 and how did you start out 02, then all of a sudden we start to look at a pattern here. And the Dolphins and Mike McDaniel on the hot seat. And I don't think anybody's expecting them to beat Buffalo, but can you have a quality loss here? I still think that the big stretch run here they host the jets, they're at the Panthers, host the Chargers, at the Browns, at Atlanta. You're going to get a really good idea over those next six weeks just how good or bad Miami is. Then you'll have more chatter about Tyree Kill and of course with Mike McDaniel. But the big game coming up tonight against the Buffalo Bills and here they are 02 and staring down a heavyweight in Buffalo battling maybe dysfunction. They, it seemed like they broke the code two, two years ago. They had cracked the code. They had one of the more innovative offenses. Tuatanga Violoa was playing great Waddle Tyree Kill. They're scoring, they're having fun. Mike McDaniel, quirky, but winning. Yeah, that's, that's the difference. You can be quirky and winning and we're fine with it. It's when you're quirky and you're not winning or all of a sudden we're like, what's wrong with that guy? I like him. I think he's entertaining. I don't know if he's a head coach, but I do think he's got one of those bright offensive minds. And I think sometimes when you put those guys in front of the media, they can do their job. But part of the job of being a head coach is being a CEO. And some guys can and some guys cannot. Do it now. Belichick got away with it because he had success before social media. Then all of a sudden it's like, all right, he's gruff. That's who he is. Greg Popovich, before social media. You know, they could be really tough on the media. Bob Knight, you could be tough on the media, but you're winning. Bill Parcells, Pat Riley, tough on the media, but you're winning. It's when you don't. And I'm not saying Mike McDaniel is tough on the media. You know, you got Brian Kelly at lsu, all right, if you're winning, you can be tough on the media. Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, but you gotta win. And Mike McDaniel, you can be quirky, but you better win. And that's been the problem. You start to look at where did it go wrong here? I mean, TUA has been healthier. Feels like the same team that they've had. It just they don't feel threatening. And then you have that stretch where you host the jets at the Panthers, host the Chargers at the Browns, at Atlanta, you can beat the jets, you can beat the Panthers. You're going to be hosting the Chargers. Coming cross country, you'll be at the Browns and you're at Atlanta. They're all winnable games. The question is, can you win three out of five? Can you win four out of five? But if there's a blowout tonight, a standalone game, that's when everybody's going to be circling. That's what happens. Standalone games. Now everybody has a referendum on the Miami Dolphins. Now, if Buffalo struggles, that defense has holes in it. So there is room for opportunity for the Miami Dolphins. But Buffalo is a 12 1/2 point underdog. Stat of the Day is always brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick show. First hour brought to you by the great folks at Tyrell Pickleball Shoes. T Y R O L you can play longer, move quicker and you'll look like a pro. Tyrell pickleball.com the merchandise store. It is great and thank you for the reaction. There's new merch there. Go to danpatrick.com open for business play of the day poll questions. Stat of the day. All of that forthcoming. We'll talk to Dominic Foxworth, one of the smartest people in our business covering the NFL. Former defensive back. He'll join us a little later on Chase Daniel oh, we love when Chase comes on. Former quarterback. He breaks down game footage and not only the NFL, but he's got Texas this weekend. Texas Longhorns. Does Arch Manning have the yips? It's what Chase Daniel is looking at on film. Chase will join us in about 15 minutes from now. 877-3-DP show email address dp@danpatrick.com Twitter handle @dpshow. Say good morning if you're watching on Peacock. Thank you for downloading the app. And we say good morning to our radio affiliates around the country. Seaton, could you provide a poll question for the first hour of this Thursday program? Todd is here. Seaton's here. Marv, Paulie, yours truly and the BRGs.

Seaton (8:14)

I kind of feel like we have to see non yips before we see yips.

Dan Patrick (8:19)

Wait, what do you mean?

Seaton (8:21)

Like, how can you tell somebody has the yips if you haven't really watched them play a ton of. Without the yips?

Dan Patrick (8:29)

Well, I think the yips, it's like golf. You can tell when somebody has the yips. I don't know if you have to see them prior to the yips when they were yip list.

Seaton (8:39)

That's what I'm saying. Like if I, if I went out onto the golf course with you and the first two holes I was spraying the ball all over the place, would you be like, ah, it's okay, you just got the yips.

Dan Patrick (8:48)

No, because the yips is putting. And I would be able to see that. Just because you spray the ball all over that, that wouldn't tell me anything. But if I see how you are over a putt and you know, some of the best golfers in, in history have, have gone through the yips. Would you look at the definition of yips in, in golf? Okay, yeah, you didn't think you'd be asked that today, but we're talking yips. But yeah, you'll see golfers. I think Bernhard Longer is. And then he went to a longer putter because he was suffering from the yips.

Paulie (9:21)

Yes, Paul, A state of extreme nervousness that causes a golfer to miss an easy putt. Now it says Urban Dictionary. This is branched out to be other sports, but the origin is golf and putting.

Seaton (9:33)

Chuck Knobloch had the.

Dan Patrick (9:34)

Yes, he did, right? Steve Sachs, Mackie Sasser, Steve Blass. Where something easy, some routine, and you can't do it. Like Rick Ankiel couldn't throw the ball over, over the plate, even get to the catcher.

Seaton (9:49)

But if those are like the first couple of games that he did that you, you wouldn't just think, oh, that's just the yips.

Dan Patrick (9:55)

Don't worry about, I'm surprised and once again last Chase Daniel about this, that I don't know if you're short arming it like you're nervous and, and you don't follow through and, and therefore, because Chuck Knobloch couldn't throw it from second to first and Steve Sacks was a second baseman as well. Mackie Sasser was a catcher and he couldn't throw it back to the pitcher.

Seaton (10:16)

It is weird how difficult it is from, to get the ball to first from the second base position. Not second base, the bag. But you just get a grounder at second and you have to flip it over to first for some reason. It's a really weird, weirdly difficult throw to make.

Dan Patrick (10:30)

Well, you had who was the pitcher for the Red Sox and the Cubs and he, he couldn't throw it, you know, from the pitcher's mound to first base. John Lester. Paulie.

Seaton (10:44)

Yeah, John Lester.

Dan Patrick (10:45)

John. He couldn't throw it.

Paulie (10:46)

He had to stop checking runners.

Dan Patrick (10:47)

I think he threw his glove one time with the ball in it. Like there you go. Yes, yes, Todd.

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Dan Patrick (11:03)

We'll talk to Chase about that. I had not heard that. With quarterbacks having the yips now they'll short arm it. And maybe that's what he's talking about that you almost are. You're not committed to the throw, that you don't want to throw it and have it intercepted. So you short arm it. Therefore it ends up at somebody's feet. Here's another thing. You normally don't have a players only meeting after a blowout loss after week one. Like that's not a good sign. The Dolphins, they lost to Danny dimes 33 to 8 and then they had a players only meeting. I don't know how many times you hold a players only meeting after you have a big win, but usually that's a celebration out at a bar or club. But this is a players only meeting after the blowout loss in week one. That's not a good sign. 12 and a half point underdogs. What could go wrong? What other poll questions are we considering today? Seaton, we got one here from Marvin.

Seaton (12:06)

What's a worst sign for a team? A players only meeting or a coach calling out the team's effort?

Dan Patrick (12:10)

Yeah, Ben Johnson did this. Oh boy, this is bad. When, when a Coach calls out, hey, we gotta take care of the ball. Hey, we can't make the have that many penalties. But when you say, hey, I'm questioning our effort, well, now that's something completely different. Now I'm questioning your motivation. Now I'm questioning how badly do you want to play? Are you playing hard enough? And it wasn't a, you know, a long speech that Ben had. In fact, it was, it felt like a throwaway line. Paulie.

Paulie (12:43)

Yeah, it was one line. He said, our practice habits are yet to reflect a championship caliber team. And then just stopped.

Dan Patrick (12:50)

That one just hangs in the air. It's like, oh, that's when if I'm in that press conference, I'm like, I'm zeroed in. What do you mean by that, Coach? What role do you take in your team? Maybe not being ready to play or having, you know, that motivation to play? Yes.

Seaton (13:09)

I feel like it's a little early in said coaching career to publicly call out your team like that. Maybe you need to build a little bit of trust amongst yourself in the roster first before you publicly humiliate your entire team.

Dan Patrick (13:23)

Well, it was a rough week in Chicago. They want results right now. And maybe he's starting to it. It's hard to say that you feel the heat after two games, but maybe Ben Johnson starting to feel the heat. Not that there's going to be a change there, but you know, it feels like Caleb Williams give him this year. Let's just see. You got a guy, Ben Johnson, now there's no excuses. You got a guy who's offensive minded. Look what he did to Jared Goff. Look what he did for the Lions. He can do that for the Bears. He wanted this job. He was going to. You were going to have to pay a lot to get him. The Bears did mean by all accounts. Everybody said they got the right guy, they got the best guy available. I'm still in on this situation because I gotta, I have to give Caleb Williams enough time. I'm old enough to know that that's the way they used to do it. John Elway, Peyton Manning, Steve McNair, Troy Aik, run down the list. Montana, they all got time to develop. It's really rare. It was really rare. Right out of the gate, you go in and you're gonna light everybody up. It's not that easy. And as much as we want to say, well, they're kind of running the same offenses in college as they are in the NFL. They are. But there's one small issue with that. You're Only open for. And now you're not open in college, you're open, you're open, you're open, you're open, you're open. In the pros, it's just not that way. And those guys getting off the edge. And I know I've said this so many times, but it is. It will stay in my memory bank. Being on the sidelines to watch how fast a game is. It's like when I told you about seeing Usain Bolt at the London Olympics. It's one thing to watch him on tv, but the camera stays on him. So it doesn't feel like, okay, he's fast, but when you're trying to follow him while you're in the stadium, you're like, oh, my God. He's just like, there, and he's gone. He made the turn in the 200 meters, and I said to my wife, the race is over. And she goes, it is. I go, no, it is. But the race still had 100 meters to go. I didn't leave right after that. We didn't leave early.

Chase Daniel (15:42)

Grab your coats.

Dan Patrick (15:42)

Yeah. Hey, we're leaving after 100 meters on feed traffic. When you watch on the sidelines, how quickly those edge rushers get in there, it is amazing. And how they process this. And you're trying to teach somebody how to play the position. And I don't know if Caleb Williams was coached well his last year at usc. I don't know if he allowed himself to be coached well at USC because it feels like he has the same habits that he did there. Even Cam Ward, I'm watching him. He could turn out to be a great quarterback, but they all try to make a play. You know, Lamar Jackson, he can make a play, but he also will step up in the pocket. Lamar Jackson's one of the best passers in the NFL. The numbers prove that. Now, you may not like it aesthetically the way he throws the ball, but you step up in the pocket when you need to. When you need to make a play, then you can make a play. These guys try to make a play all the time, and that's where you have to learn. Man, I don't want to throw this ball away. I don't want to fall down, take a sack. But all the greats have done that. All the greats. Brady Manning, even Mahomes. Yeah, pulling.

Paulie (17:02)

And some quarterbacks get a hall pass with their rookie year based on the coaching staff not working out like Trevor Lawrence back in 2021 under Urban Meyer. Urban Meyer got the blame for Trevor Lawrence having a terrible rookie year and the next year he threw 25 touchdowns and eight picks. It's still a work in progress with Trevor, but it got better fast.

Dan Patrick (17:20)

And even Ben Johnson saying, you know, I like his optimism, but what he says we don't have, you know, it's it we're, we want champion caliber, you know, team, we want effort there. Can't you say maybe wild card, playoff caliber, team winning record 9 and 8 championship, championship of Blake. Okay, slow down there, coach. Easy there. All right. Does Arch Manning have the yips and if so, how did he get them? How do you get rid of them? We'll talk to Chase Daniel and he also has some thoughts on Caleb Williams. Also, he's in love with Dak Prescott after two weeks. So we'll talk to Chase. He's always great breaking things down. Your phone calls. Settle on a poll question. We're back after this Dan Patrick Show. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

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Paulie (23:55)

Yeah, the Mayo Clinic treats it as a real thing. They said the yips are involuntary wrist spasms that occur when people are playing sports like golf and other sports. But they said it was thought to be just a performance anxiety and mental. It could actually be a physicality thing with focal dystonia which causes a neurological condition which with specific muscles and cause them to contract. They said the way to get around this is to use the muscles almost in a reverse order sometimes to relieve yourself of it.

Dan Patrick (24:21)

I haven't heard quarterbacks having the yips, but I'm guessing short arming the ball. But let me bring in Chase Daniel, the ESPN NFL college football analyst. He'll be on the call. Sam Houston versus Texas. That'll be on ESPN plus SEC Network. All right. Does Arch Manning have the yips and if so, what are the yips? Chase yeah, yeah.

Chase Daniel (24:41)

I don't like to ever talk about a quarterback having the yips. Like right. Like in baseball it was like when second baseman couldn't throw to first base and it was always like something we don't talk about. Right. And I don't know if it's the yips. But what I do know and I've, I went back because I'm obviously calling the game and looked at every Single snap this year. And I even went back and looked at last year's snaps when he played. And I would just say instead of the yips, I'll say mechanically. There are a lot of things wrong with this throwing motion from his feet not being in the right spot to his arm angle not being in the right spot to him grimacing when he throws the football. And I think that's the biggest thing.

Dan Patrick (25:28)

It's.

Chase Daniel (25:29)

I don't think he's hurt, Dan. I really don't. I just think his motion and his throwing angle of his shoulder, I feel like everything's completely off. And I say this is specifically his back foot. Your back foot is a thrower. And I learned this from Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Tom House, who worked with that. He's like a renowned throwing coach. He lives right down the road from me. I've worked with him before. Your power comes from your feet up as a thrower. So anytime your feet aren't planted in the ground firmly, you don't get enough torque on the ball. You don't get enough power on the ball. Last year when I watched Arch Manning and all his snaps, his back foot was down until his arm came through, which is very mechanically correct, for lack of better words. This year, almost every throw, including in clean pockets, that back foot has come up. So his ball dies on him. Is specifically going to the right. Right. We, we saw this 10 play, really this 20 play incompletion stretch. And it was, it was 10 incompletions against UTEP. UTEP has one of the worst passing defenses in all of college football. Two Texas played last week. And so my thing is, I don't know how you fix it because you can get to the mechanical stuff. You can get to this and that. So I'm not going to call it the yips, but mechanically, he looks completely different than he did last year.

Dan Patrick (26:59)

But his head coach is a former quarterback. How does Steve Sarkeesia not see this and maybe try to arrest it?

Chase Daniel (27:09)

Well, he has seen it. And I think Texas is averaging over 40 carries a game. They're not throwing the football. And you, you've watched Stark's offenses in the past. They like to throw the football. They're not getting Ryan Wingo, their number one receiver, involved. They're just, they don't look like an offense that I've seen Texas look like before. And you know, when I, you know the Ohio State Texas game, right. Everyone was like, oh, it's obviously arts and play ball, but Sharks, it's a, it's A manageable game plan. So I thought they did really good stuff on offense. And if you look at all three of their games they played, Dan, there's stuff open. Archer's just missing it. He's not accurate.

Dan Patrick (27:47)

Yeah. And I've seen that with, you know, Caleb Williams, sometimes CJ Stroud so far this year. Well, you broke down Caleb Williams. Help me understand. Because it feels like there's a whole lot more going on in Chicago after two games than there should be.

Chase Daniel (28:03)

Yeah. And when it comes to Caleb, it's. It's like you get the really good in small spurts and then some of the bad the rest of the game.

Dan Patrick (28:11)

Right.

Chase Daniel (28:11)

You look at the first half on both of his games that he's played this year, I thought he's played pretty well mechanically and physically and just mentally. This past game versus Detroit, I know they got killed, but I thought he played pretty well and I thought it was one of his better halfs as a pro. Just the first half. But then it got out of hand and they got the defensive issues. I think with Caleb, it's always been in his mind, like physically, we know that talent is there and he gets into a rhythm at times. When he's not doing well, he tries to do too much. And I think that's what Ben Johnson doesn't want him to do. We have an offense. We got to get Swift involved. We have three really good receivers. We have two really good tight ends. We paid a million bucks for the interior of that offensive line. They have all the talent in the world. Sometimes, Dan, it's just between the ears for some of these guys and if they can understand how to play the game. And it's new in this marriage with Ben Johnson, that's when I think they'll really be good. But they got to fix other issues. Like their defense right now is just. It's not good.

Dan Patrick (29:12)

But it feels like Caleb Williams, sometimes with players who have so much talent, they can't do the mundane. And, and there are times as a quarterback where you're like, all right, I'm going to take a SAP. I'm going to throw this away. We're only going to get five yards. They. They want to make a play. It's almost like you want to hit a eight run home run when you go to the plate when you've been in a slump. And it feels like Caleb wants to do so much more because we expect him to do so much more.

Chase Daniel (29:42)

That's exactly right. And look, Drew Brees used to. I backed him up for Five years. He used to say, hey, quarterback's boring. Like quarterbacks for you. There's going to be some games where this team just plays in too high safety look and we're just going to have to throw hitch after hitch after hitch and then maybe we'll get an in route and maybe we'll get a go ball down the sideline when they're a man. And I'll check to it. That's sort of the weekly minutia of playing quarterback because you don't know how any given defense is going to play you on Sunday. And you could have an entire game plan. We had it all the time in, in, in New Orleans was the game plan was like throw the ball deep. You know what Sean Payton would call 15 of his run action shot plays down the, it's a post and you know what, Drew would check it down to the quarterback. You know what, it would travel five yards in the air. But that, that running back in Mark Ingram would go for 20 and so the passing yards look good. I'm, I do think that he's forcing stuff down the field, but playing quarterback, it's got to be boring sometimes in some of these games, not every game is one the same.

Dan Patrick (30:39)

He's Chase Daniel. He'll be on the call Texas Sam Houston on ESPN plus SEC Network and a co host of the Athletic Scoop City podcast. Also the YouTube channel must see TV, the Chase Daniel Show. He breaks down these quarterbacks. You've fallen in love with Dak Prescott so far. Even though I look at his quarterback rating and it's not a very good rating. It's 23rd. So what are you seeing that we're not seeing?

Chase Daniel (31:06)

Well, I just think that look, when Dak is healthy and the first time truly healthy since two years ago where he finished second in the VP voting I think right now, right. The rating doesn't tell the story. When I look at his film and I just look purely at the quarterback position, forget about those around him, forget about how the way he's operating not only throwing the football down the field, not only fitting in tight window throws when needed. He's not forcing the football down the field. He's controlling the line of scrimmage. He's getting the Cowboys to in and out of the right plays. Now look, they almost stole a game on the road in Philly versus a very good Philly team. We all know how we feel about Philly. I thought he played excellent in that game, right. He's had some dropped interceptions, so it's made it look better. But you look at the Giants game, you look at the multiple two minute drives that he's had to have like that. That's what the NFL comes down to is can you make plays in two minute drives and two minutes. And he had three drives over the course of the fourth quarter and overtime where he willed his team to victory. And I know that Dak gets a lot of haters. I know I'm not talking about the Cowboys team in general because I don't think they're that good. I thought. I think offensively they're much better than they were last year or even the year before. Now in that comes from Brian Schottenheimer. He's using a lot of pre snap motion. So he's letting Dak Prescott see the answers to the test before the test is given. Hey, give me a man zone read, give me a slot formation, give me all this. I just think the offense is attacking more. They actually have something in that running back in Williams as well. And when Dak has had a run game in the past, he's been really well.

Dan Patrick (32:41)

You got the Chiefs and the Giants coming up this weekend. Now I'm looking at the schedule. This is a tough schedule. So okay, you get by the Giants now you got the Ravens, you got Jacksonville in Jacksonville, you got the Lions, you got the Raiders, then you got the Commanders and then you got the Buffalo Bills. That's pretty tough. That's pretty tough for a team that's waiting to get its two best receivers back. And I don't Kelsey hasn't stood out. Mahomes is trying. It feels like he's trying to do something to up, you know, get this team fired up. He's actually running and taking on defensive backs and I don't know, help me understand the Chi handicap the Chiefs here first half of the season. What do you think?

Chase Daniel (33:27)

Yeah, look, I owe it to right first time since 2014 and I was actually on that team and we didn't end up making the playoffs. The thing with the Chiefs this year where I think they have struggled to get a little bit better is obviously like they haven't had their receivers right. They haven't had Rasheed Rice, Hollywood Brown or Xavier Worthy in two years on the field at the same time. That is a completely different receiver core than they've had to do. Obviously with Travis Kelsey getting older, he's not as much of a factor as he can. I thought the offensive line really is still the issue, specifically left guard and Kingsley Summit here, he's just not playing at A high level, especially against Philly. And when you look at their offense, they wanted to be a throw it down the field offense that sort of escaped them from their offensive game plans. Really, the last two or three years without Tyreek, they wanted to do that. This year they've had to make adjustments and change the way they've played the game. And it's been Patrick Mahomes running the football. I don't want him leading the league and rushing the football for quarterbacks. That's not what he does. Right. But he's had to do that. And I look at their schedule, and I'm glad you brought that up. If they can be 3 and 3 after the Ravens and Lions, I think it's the Lions the last one. If they can just get to 3 and 3. And they did this a couple years ago, where they get into a rhythm, they find out who they are offensively, they get all their guys back. I think that the Chiefs can still be the Chiefs. Like, I just think it's way too early to write them off. And I know these people are. Oh, and two, it's impossible to make, like, a 12% chance to make the playoffs. I just think, like, their defense is still really good, and if they can get some wins against some quality opponents and just get to 500 through six games, then I. I mean, look, the one seed might be out the table if they. If they do that right? But as long as they get into the tournament, man, it's the Chiefs of the Chiefs for me.

Dan Patrick (35:18)

I know you've watched film of Baker Mayfield, and it's weird how people still aren't accepting of Baker Mayfield. He had an incredible year last year. It's like, hey, you got kicked to the curb by the Browns. You were with Carolina, you're with the Rams. You know your damaged goods. And then all of a sudden, hey, you got to compete with Kyle Trask in Tampa Bay. I don't. Is it maybe his Persona that people have a problem with, or. I don't know what it is, but he's one of those guys that he knows how to win and. And he's gonna. He's gonna play tough for you. What. What did you see from him? Is there anything different this year than last year?

Chase Daniel (36:02)

No, I love Baker Dan. I would say the last two years, he's played really well. Like. Like, actually really, really good. He's. He's played. If you just look at the stats, and I don't love doing it all the time. He's played, like, a top eight quarterback in the league, like in every major category. And this, the thing I liked about this year is both of their games came down to the last play of the game. And he has willed his team to win. He now he's got a strong arm, he's got all that stuff. I do think the offense in Tampa has really fit him well. Now he has three complete studs to throw to a receiver, so that helps. Offensively they're explosive. He's also played without five starters too. So just the way he's been playing, I think people like to hate on Baker because of his demeanor and because of the stuff he does. And you know, he can be polarizing to some. I love it. Like I want my quarterback to have that to him. I think he's got to have swagger. I think he's got to have confidence. And the thing is he's backed it up. So when you watch him, he's not really wild. I mean, look, look at the two minute drive. And if you actually, this past weekend, if you actually break down the two minute drive to win the game against the Texans, which I think that defense is pretty good, they can rush a passer really well, he didn't throw the football more than six yards down the field. He was taking what the defense gives you. It was just classic two minute drive. Like what coaches tell you and what coaches speak is like, hey, just take the open guy, just take the open guy. And then he takes off on fourth down and scrambles and uses his legs and they end up winning the game. He's the ultimate. I'm not going to do too much, but I'm going to make plays when I need to. I think he's playing like a top five quarterback in the league right now.

Dan Patrick (37:43)

What would you have to see before you would pick the Chargers to be the best team in the afc?

Chase Daniel (37:49)

Oh man, are they, aren't they like up there already?

Dan Patrick (37:53)

Right, Dan, would you take them over Buffalo or the Ravens right now head to head?

Chase Daniel (38:01)

I would take them over the Ravens because of defensively how they're doing and at this specific moment how Justin Herbert is playing. Because I think Justin Herbert's a new person and a new man.

Dan Patrick (38:13)

Right.

Chase Daniel (38:13)

He's dating Madison Beer. He's got all this Hollywood. It's a completely different Justin Herbert than I'm used to. And I like that he's gotten out of his shell. He just does not care what people think. He's got all the money, he's got that, he's got the fit now. But the thing is like, at who he is at his core. He is a football dude. And those football dudes between him and Harbaugh, they make it work. Now. Now, Quentin Johnson for the Chargers, he's taken a next step, right? They got Keenan Allen back. I can't tell you how important that is. They got Dan. They got Shane Day back, and he's the quarterback coach. And Shane Day, I'm telling you, is the secret sauce of this, because him and Justin work so well behind the scenes together. And then you look at that defense, I think, you know, one of the best scoring defenses in all of football. I do think the Bills right now are the class of the afc. And you can make a. You can make a case for the Ravens, right? You. You absolutely could. Because I think they're. They're loaded again. I just think this is the year that, you know, Justin Herbert, he gets a playoff win. Like, I really do think that. And I think they built it the right way. And you just look at Jim Harbaugh, like, just what he's been able to do in the first and second years of the programs. He took them to the.

Dan Patrick (39:23)

You know, I just think they're.

Chase Daniel (39:25)

I think they're built the right way.

Dan Patrick (39:27)

Just need to avoid Buffalo in the wintertime, in the playoffs, finish this. If the Dolphins get blown out tonight, oh, don't.

Chase Daniel (39:36)

I don't know if McDade will get fired or not.

Dan Patrick (39:38)

I don't know.

Chase Daniel (39:39)

I just, you know, when I watch Miami on film, it's. It's rough and it's brutal, and a lot of it is coaching. So I'm going to say the head coach doesn't get fired. It's too early in the season. I do think that, you know, time's running out, though, and with a roster that I think's somewhat talented and with a quarterback that I'm sort of mixed on, I think he's really good at timing throws. I think that's all the case. And you look at the, the, the history between these two, they don't really get blown. I think they're going to put up a lot of points tonight. If I was a betting man, I'd take the over.

Dan Patrick (40:15)

But what is Mike McDaniel do? You said coaching, so what is he doing or not doing?

Chase Daniel (40:21)

I just think their team's not ready to play.

Dan Patrick (40:24)

But how does that happen? That.

Chase Daniel (40:25)

Yeah, yeah.

Dan Patrick (40:26)

I mean, I mean, they are professionals. They're professionals, though, Chase. I mean, how much is this on the coach? How much they saw in the captains to say, Guys, 100%, we're lame and.

Chase Daniel (40:36)

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I think, and I do think that the head coach in some of these situations, specifically in college or specifically in the NFL, it's like, hey, like you can only do so much in the NFL to get your guys, they're grown men. They need to be ready to play. You give them the game plan. There are specific things maybe there that, that maybe they're not prepared for, whether it's offensive scheme stuff from the defense is doing or defensive scheme stuff or too many men on the field. They just, they played sloppy football specifically on offense. And so yeah, I would agree with you. Like, the coach probably gets too much blame for that. But at the end of the day, the product you put out on the field is the coach's responsibility.

Dan Patrick (41:18)

Have fun with Texas and Sam Houston. Good to break bread with you. Thanks for joining us.

Chase Daniel (41:23)

Yeah, thanks, Dan.

Dan Patrick (41:24)

That's Chase Daniel. He'll have the call on espn. Plus it's Texas and Sam Houston, the Chase Daniel show on YouTube. He breaks down all of these quarterbacks. And the athletic scoop City with Diana Rossini is great as well. All right, we'll take a break. Play of the Day next. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.

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Chase Daniel (48:16)

It's a good question, very fair question. And we've it's been discussed and it's really understanding kind of the rules of him coming in as a reliever and knowing that because of the rule, the way it's set up right now as a starter, he can come out of the game and still maintain as a dh. But he comes in as a reliever. You got to find that line of where hopefully the game ends, because you can't put them in in the six and then take them out as a pitcher in seventh and keep him in as a dh. So it would have to be a situation where it was probably, we think the game's over and he's closing or be okay with him not coming, not hitting anymore. So that would be really the only scenario. Can I see it? Absolutely. But it would probably be closer to the back end when the game's, you know, kind of on the line, and it would be over after he's done.

Dan Patrick (49:03)

But he would have to play the outfield. He hasn't played the outfield since 2021. But if you have him, and. And this was brought up to me by a former pitcher, all star pitcher, who said, you know, the problem with that is you're going to try to warm up. How do you warm up where you're playing the outfield now we're going to bring you in. It's different where you're warming up in the outfield, just, you know, tossing back and forth. How can you get Ohtani ready to go to come in and relief as opposed to just keeping your arm active in the outfield? And he hasn't played the outfield in a long time. I mean, not to say that he can't, but that's another big problem. The last thing I want to do is have Ohtani, you know, warm up, but then not get into a game or try to warm up while he's in the outfield. It's a completely different feeling where you're like, I'm just tossing here. You can't say, you know, to the other outfielder, hey, would you get down? I'm going to pitch 60ft, 6 inches. And, you know, try to assimilate what it's like to pitch in a game or get ready to pitch in a game. Be really, really difficult. Do I think it can happen? I do. Because that bullpen has been really bad, and it might be out of necessity that you have to maybe try to cobble something together there where you go, okay, it's not perfect, but it's a whole lot better than the other options. Yes. Marvin, going back to the MVP conversation, what type of season does a player.

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Dan Patrick (50:33)

Start pitching.

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Dan Patrick (50:39)

No, no. If you. If you have hit 70 homers in bad.370 and your team makes the. You'd be, you could beat Shohei Ohtani.

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Dan Patrick (50:51)

Yeah. I mean, Kyle Schwarber hit 53 home runs so far, but he's gonna finish distant, distant second here. Ohtani's just got a head start on everybody just because there's still the fascination of he does something that nobody in the history of the sport has done. And you also hit 50 home runs and you're playing for the Dodgers.

Paulie (51:13)

Yeah, Paul, and you're not being facetious. He really hasn't pitched a lot this year. He's going to finish the season with fewer than 50 innings pitched. And he's been very good. Not great, but very good. But it's. He walks in 20 yards ahead of everybody.

Dan Patrick (51:27)

Seaton, would you update the poll results from the first hour of the program?

Seaton (51:32)

Yeah, we got up there right now, which is worse, a players only meeting or coach calling out effort publicly.

Dan Patrick (51:40)

Right.

Seaton (51:40)

Now, earliest results have a players only meeting at 61%, but I suspect that's.

Dan Patrick (51:47)

Going to change after week one. Players only meeting. After you get blown out by the Colts, where do you. Where do you hold that meeting? Hey, could we secure the conference room? What for? Players only meeting, and then your coach calls out your effort after two weeks. See, that's one of those. Where are you saying that? So everybody in the media and the fans know, hey, Ben Johnson means business here. We're not going to settle for this. Instead of, how about you say it to your team? And maybe he has, but it felt like, hey, look at me. I'm pretty tough. Yes, Todd, Is that a catered players.

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Dan Patrick (52:34)

Thank you, Todd.

Paulie (52:35)

Look, we need a conference room for 55 huge men, please.

Dan Patrick (52:42)

All right, one hour in the books. Two more to go on this Thursday. Gang's all here. This is my starting lineup. My team is on the floor. Normandale would say, Fritzy, Seaton, Marv, Paulie, yours truly. One hour in the books. Two more to go on this Thursday. Back after this in the Dan Patrick.

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