Hour 1 – Hall of Fame Voting Controversy, Ben Johnson Introduced

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show: Hour 1 Summary – Hall of Fame Voting Controversy & Coaching Changes

Release Date: January 22, 2025
Episode Title: Hour 1 – Hall of Fame Voting Controversy, Ben Johnson Introduced
Host: Dan Patrick
Guests: CC Sabathia, Joe Thomas
Network: iHeartPodcasts and Dan Patrick Podcast Network

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1. Introduction to the Hour

Dan Patrick opens Hour 1 by outlining the primary topics of discussion: the ongoing controversy surrounding Hall of Fame voting and the introduction of Ben Johnson as the new head coach for the Chicago Bears. He also hints at a segment on sports anger, setting the stage for a robust conversation about the state of professional sports leadership and recognition (Transcript [02:39]).

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2. Coaching Carousel: Opportunities and Speculations

Timestamp: [02:39] – [07:05]

Dan delves into the current landscape of NFL coaching vacancies, highlighting multiple teams in need of leadership:

• Teams with Open Head Coaching Positions:
  • Dallas Cowboys
  • Jacksonville Jaguars
  • New York Jets
  • Las Vegas Raiders
  • New Orleans Saints

He discusses potential candidates, emphasizing the Cowboys' openness to Kellen Moore after his stints with the Chargers and Eagles. Cliff Kingsbury’s future with the Commanders is also scrutinized, with Dan noting, "Cliff Kingsbury, I think is in his 40s there, but you have openings here." (Transcript [04:20]).

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3. Raiders’ Decision and Ben Johnson’s New Role

Timestamp: [07:08] – [14:10]

A significant portion of the discussion centers on the Raiders' failed attempt to secure Ben Johnson as their head coach. Dan expresses surprise at the decision, especially after Tom Brady's extensive discussions with Johnson:

Dan Patrick: "Tom Brady spent an hour talking to Ben Johnson last week. And you know, when they fired Antonio Pierce, I wasn't surprised." [07:08]

Instead, the Raiders opted to hire the Chicago Bears’ head coach, prompting Dan to analyze the implications of this move versus their initial expectations.

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4. Playoff Betting Lines and Team Performances

Timestamp: [09:17] – [13:22]

Transitioning to NFL playoffs, Dan examines the betting lines, particularly noting the Eagles' favored status against the Rams. He theorizes that Jalen Hurts is likely to play, given the betting odds' significant jump from 4.5 to 6 points:

Dan Patrick: "Four and a half to six means Jalen Hurts is probably going to play, but I don't know health-wise and they don't have to reveal that." [09:17]

He praises the selflessness of quarterbacks like Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady, arguing that their focus on winning rather than personal statistics is key to their teams' successes (Transcript [12:21]).

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5. Hall of Fame Voting: Public vs. Private

Timestamp: [14:10] – [32:30]

The core of Hour 1 revolves around the contentious topic of whether Hall of Fame voting should be public or remain private. Dan champions transparency, recounting his own experience of making his votes public and standing by his choices despite criticism:

Dan Patrick: "Should be public or private. I'm going to talk about this coming up in a little bit here. I've said that when I voted I wanted it to be public." [14:10]

He references the 2016 Baseball Writers' attempt to make ballots public, which was ultimately shelved by the board of directors. Dan argues that making votes public would provide clarity and accountability, allowing voters to explain their decisions:

Dan Patrick: "If you're going to take on that honor, and it is an honor, then you should explain why you voted for or didn't vote for somebody." [14:13]

6. Listener Interactions and Opinions

Timestamp: [32:30] – [47:29]

Listener calls enrich the debate, with Paulie advocating for public voting and criticizing the lack of transparency that can undermine the Hall of Fame's integrity. Dan responds by highlighting discrepancies in voting outcomes, such as Billy Wagner's delayed induction despite his impressive statistics:

Dan Patrick: "I have no problem. And they fought for this. This was a couple of years ago, I think, 2016." [15:27]

Matt Castle emphasizes the inconsiderate nature of some voters who bypass deserving candidates like Ichiro Suzuki without valid reasons, questioning the rationale behind such decisions (Transcript [28:26] – [32:26]).

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7. Poll Results: Overwhelming Support for Public Voting

Timestamp: [46:25] – [48:52]

Dan relays the results of a listener poll on the show, revealing that 90% of the audience favors making Hall of Fame voting public:

Paulie: "Including should Hall of Fame voting be public or private? That's kind of fun. Paul has if you were a baseball hall of fame rotor, would you hall of Fame voter, would you lean towards not voting for anyone as a first ballot hall of Famer?" [25:33]

Paulie: "This one’s a landslide. 90% of the audience want the voting public." [47:16]

Dan reiterates his stance, advocating for transparency to foster meaningful conversations and ensure the process honors truly deserving athletes (Transcript [47:29]).

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8. Case Studies: Ichiro Suzuki and Billy Wagner

Timestamp: [33:38] – [39:02]

Dan and callers explore specific cases impacting Hall of Fame voting, using Ichiro Suzuki and Billy Wagner as primary examples. They debate whether modern playing styles would affect Ichiro's candidacy if he were today’s player and scrutinize Wagner’s delayed induction:

Matt Castle: "I think Ichiro does deserve the hall of Fame." [33:38]

Dan Patrick: "Billy Wagner, you know, he's a dinosaur. Guys are going to log those innings and have 3,000 strikeouts and over 250 wins. It's just not going to happen anymore." [14:10]

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9. Historical Perspectives and Voting Integrity

Timestamp: [30:07] – [35:08]

The discussion broadens to historical voting trends, analyzing why even legendary players like Hank Aaron or Rickey Henderson have faced voting challenges. Dan argues that personal biases and lack of transparency hinder fair evaluations:

Dan Patrick: "If somebody says he's not a Hall of Famer his first year, but his seventh year, he's a Hall of Famer. I just think if I say your name, then that should tell me what you think of that player." [25:49]

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10. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Timestamp: [47:29] – [49:00]

In wrapping up, Dan emphasizes the importance of public voting for accountability and celebrates the evolving landscape of Hall of Fame inductions. He anticipates future inductions reflecting changing perspectives and the increased scrutiny that comes with transparency:

Dan Patrick: "Sports is about conversation. It's about arguing and why... I think it's so important to these players." [48:52]

He expresses optimism that ongoing discussions and public support will lead to a more transparent and fair Hall of Fame voting process.

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Notable Quotes

• Dan Patrick: "If you're going to take on that honor, and it is an honor, then you should explain why you voted for or didn't vote for somebody." (14:13)

• Dan Patrick: "Should be public or private... I've said that when I voted I wanted it to be public." (14:10)

• Paulie: "This one's a landslide. 90% of the audience want the voting public." (47:16)

• Dan Patrick: "Sports is about conversation. It's about arguing and why..." (48:52)

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Takeaways

• Transparency in Hall of Fame Voting: A significant majority supports making voting public to enhance accountability and understanding of inductee selections.

• Coaching Vacancies: Several NFL teams are actively seeking new head coaches, with discussions focusing on potential candidates and the implications of recent hiring decisions.

• Player Legacies and Voting Integrity: The debate underscores the importance of objective voting criteria and the impact of personal biases on recognizing athletic excellence.

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Looking Ahead

Dan Patrick teases the upcoming guest, CC Sabathia, who will provide additional insights into the Hall of Fame voting process and share his experiences as a fresh Hall of Famer. Listeners can anticipate a deeper dive into Sabathia's career achievements and his perspectives on the evolving nature of sports recognition.

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For those interested in the intricate dynamics of sports leadership and the integrity of athlete recognition, Hour 1 of The Dan Patrick Show offers a comprehensive and thought-provoking exploration.

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You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. It's hour one on this Wednesday, Dan and the Dan It's Dan Patrick Show. We have Sports anger. We'll tell you about that coming up. We have two hall of Famers. CC Sabathia is going to join us, freshly minted hall of Famer and Joe Thomas, Cleveland Browns hall of Fame offensive tackle. Phone calls always welcome every day, But Tyler sitting by 877,3DP show stat of the day brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the program. Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, thank you for downloading the app. And we say good morning to those listening on our radio affiliates around the country. Stub openings with the Cowboys, Jags, Jets, Raiders and the Saints. And you start to wonder what are these teams waiting for? Who are they waiting for? If you're waiting for somebody who is still in the playoffs, then I can understand that. But Cliff Kingsbury, he says that he's comfortable being the offensive coordinator for the Commanders until you get a head coaching offer and then maybe you're not as comfortable there. It's nice to have Jaden Daniels there, but Cliff Kingsbury would probably like another shot. I think he's only 45, but like another shot at being a head coach. It didn't go well the first time around with Arizona, but he has since been kind of a reclamation project here. You know, the same with Kellen Moore. Kellen Moore got kicked to the curb by the Cowboys, went to the Chargers and now he's with the Eagles. And I guess he might be the leading candidate for the Cowboys right now, but how old is Cliff Kingsbury? 36.

[Matt Castle]

No, Kellen Moore.

[Dan Patrick]

36, 36.

[Matt Castle]

Youngster.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Cliff Kingsbury, I think is in his 40s there, but you have openings here. Cowboys, Jags, Jets, Raiders, Saints. Aaron Glenn reportedly will get an offer from the Jets. Mike McCarthy, maybe he has his choice here. Maybe that that's holding up the Jags and the Saints. The Raiders situation, the Raiders by all accounts wanted Ben Johnson, thought they were going to get Ben Johnson. Tom Brady spent an hour talking to Ben Johnson last week. And you know, when they fired Antonio Pierce, I wasn't surprised. I said all along, Tom Brady's going to come in. He's going to be running the show. They fired him and then they waited a couple days and they fired their gm Tom Telesco and Telesco was only there for a year and I thought, okay, you fired your coach. But then when you fire your gm, it feels like the coach you want to bring in wants to bring in his own GM or at least have a collaborative effort here. Of let's decide this together of who is going to be the general manager. Did Tom Brady think that Ben Johnson was going to come to the Raiders, but he wanted to pick his own GM or at least help with that selection process? And if you're going to have somebody who's lined up just the way Kyle Shanahan and John lynch are with San Francisco, with your coach and your gm, that makes a lot of sense. Well, Bears got him and I think that's the big surprise. I think Tom Brady thought, hey, I'm going to spend time with him and if he wants to bring in his own gm, then I'm going to let Tom Tesco go after one year. I don't know if they would have made these decisions if they didn't think they were. If they thought they weren't going to get Ben Johnson, would they have kept Antonio Pierce and Tom Tesco at least another year? Maybe they got a bigger picture here. Maybe there's somebody else that they're waiting for. But it felt like they thought they were getting Ben Johnson and Ben Johnson said no to Tom Brady. He'll be introduced as the Bears head coach today. Everything's great right now. Everything's great. They got their coach. Offensive minded guy, you took him away from the Lions. Caleb Williams. Yes. He's going to be Jaden Daniels. He's going to be C.J. stroud. He's going to be somebody. You're ready to go. Oh, if only the season started tomorrow, we'd be ready to go. Paulie's Bears, they've done it. They've won the off season. Again, congratulation. Nobody wins the off season like the Bears do. They won the off season. There's no trophies that they hand out for winning the off season, but if they did, the Bears trophy case would be packed.

[Paulie]

Are we handing that trophy out today?

[Dan Patrick]

We can if you want.

[Paulie]

Offseason award winner for week.

[Dan Patrick]

You know what, Let me wait a week or so. Let me see what the Cowboys do. If the Cowboys get Dionysus, then they're probably going to win the off season. I'm still amazed, though, that, you know, Jerry Jones falls in love and he fell in love with Jason Garrett. Jason Whitten, I think he's in love with Dion and he's Going to have to bring somebody in to be able to coach his team. Jason Whitten is not ready to do this. I think he's been a high school coach and of course he was a great player. You bring back Kellen Moore, who you had, do you have any chance at getting Dion? That seems to have simmered down a little bit. Doesn't mean it won't happen because with Jerry, he might say, oh, damn it. All right, I'm gonna bring in Dion and then you bring in Deion Sanders. Then everybody's gonna go, wow, that's genius move. But in the meantime, like, unless it's Dion, I think we're gonna go okay. Right now, we did that with Dan Quinn with Washington, but Washington doesn't have the worldwide appeal of the Cowboys. When the Cowboys make a decision and everybody takes note, Washington was like, oh, who they. Oh, okay, Dan Quinn, well, good luck. Team won four games. Now all of a sudden we're looking at Dan Quinn like he's Lombardi. Like, man, the Cowboys, they missed on him. Okay. Probably a few other teams decided that they didn't want Dan Quinn to come in and be their head coach, but he's done a wonderful job there. Now, you know, we always look at what, what's the result? The end result may go, how could you pass on him? He was right there. Well, they did and other teams did as well. But Dan Quinn probably thrilled that he's in Washington and that they're in the NFC title game. This line started out at four and a half. Now it's up to six, which is. That's a pretty big jump for me when I'm looking at. All right, four and a half, maybe five. Now up to six. The Eagles are favored. And I, I think with Buffalo, that stayed about the same, that the Bills are one and a half point underdogs there. Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

Paulie, a two point jump in a line midweek is surprising.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

Uncommon. Does somebody know something about Jalen hurts health status?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, no, because that would be assuming that he's healthy. Because if he was hurt, it wouldn't be. It wouldn't jump like that.

[Matt Castle]

Right.

[Dan Patrick]

But four and a half to six means Jaylen Herz is probably going to play, but I don't know health wise and they don't have to reveal that, but I'm guessing that Jaylen Herz will play. Their offense isn't great. It's weird. They get, they get these splash plays now Saquan Barkley, you know, they kind of bottled him up. He did have three Unbelievable runs. Jaylen Herz, they kind of bottled him up and then he had one big play. And granted, that's all you need sometimes, but I think when we look at offense, I. They didn't dominate the Rams, and I think the impression is that they did, but they held on for dear life. And as I said yesterday, I thought the Rams were going to win that game. I thought that they, in that final, you know, final drive, they were going to win and kick the extra point. They were going to beat Philadelphia and they would be hosting the Commanders this weekend. That's why when you look at, man, I do think the Eagles are still the best team in football, but I haven't seen them kind of put everything together. They. They have these players who make the. Jalen Carter makes a big player, too. Saquon a big player too. Jalen hurts one or two big plays, and maybe that's all you need to win a Super Bowl. It's sort of like what the E. The Chiefs are doing. Patrick Mahomes doesn't do anything that is consistently magical, but he always has one or two of those plays. Jason Kelsey, one or two of those plays. Chris Jones, one or two of those plays. Maybe that's the recipe. And I was thinking about this with Patrick Mahomes, you want to talk about a selfless superstar? Because with Mahomes, it was all about, he was going to throw the ball, they were going to get, you know, he's throwing 40 touchdown passes. That, that's high powered, explosive offense. You don't hear him talking about, you know, be nice if we got some receivers here for me or, you know, you're, you're getting possession guys, I want to throw some touchdowns here. His numbers are down. He's selfless. And that's remarkable that you get to that point that, that point in your career. And it's not about his numbers because his numbers aren't great, but it's about, we won. How did we win? And they are on a tightrope every single week, it feels like. But it's about, you know, Kelsey is not nudging his coach on the sideline about getting me touches. Patrick Mahomes is selfless and Brady was selfless, too. And I think you have to be, because if you're all about, hey, what about my numbers? And these guys have gotten to a point where it's about winning. Yes.

[Paulie]

What if behind the scenes, Patrick Mahomes is like, none of the receivers matter because I'm important.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, we've.

[Paulie]

You guys don't matter. I'm the one that makes this happen. So you could put out her to cattle out there and I'm going to complete passes. But he's actually that much of a diva.

[Dan Patrick]

But, oh, I don't.

[Paulie]

I'm the only one here that matters. The rest of you are irrelevant.

[Dan Patrick]

But he's not putting up great numbers. So yes, he might say, hey, I don't care who you put. Look at Brady. Interchangeable parts. And Brady probably said it doesn't matter who you're putting out there. I'll make this work. But I think, I think Mahomes and Brady are. And we're selfless. And I think that that helped them because how many times did you see Bill Belichick go, we're just going to run the football. And this is Brady going, all right, hey, we're going to run for 200 yards against the Colts, okay? And, and I think the same thing with Mahomes. I think you got to get to a point where you go, I want to win. That's all, that's that, that's all that matters here is that I win. Yes.

[Marvin]

Todd, if you know you're going to or you feel very comfortable that you're going to trade stats for rings, it's very easy to do that when you're on a great team and you're collecting rings. That could change if all of a sudden you're a team that's not getting to the super bowl winning rings. As far as, hey, wait a second, I don't have the right tools around me to get the.

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Well, we haven't really hit on this much yet, but hall of Fame voting.

[Dan Patrick]

Should be public or private. We're going to talk about this coming up in a little bit here. I've said that when I voted I wanted it to be public. I was proud to vote. And if you're going to take on that honor, and it is an honor, then you should explain why you voted for or didn't vote for somebody. It's it's just you're doing your homework, or maybe you're not doing your homework, but I have. I have no problem. And they. They fought for this. This was a couple of years ago, I think, 2016. The Baseball Writers supported a measure to make every hall of Fame ballot public, but the board of directors shut that down. I like it when I hear a columnist say, or a writer or broadcaster say, this is why I voted for this guy, or I didn't vote for this guy. I mean, not everybody's a Hall of Famer. You might not think Billy Wagner is a Hall of Famer. I do. I did. CC Sabathia, you know, he's a dinosaur. Guys are going to log those innings and have 3,000 strikeouts and over 250 wins. It's just not going to happen anymore. Ichiro. No brainer. But then, apparently, was it a brainer because somebody decided not to vote for Ichiro? Yes.

[Marvin]

Ton is coming forward. Make you a standup guy or woman, depending on who we're talking about. Or is it a look at me, look at me thing? People could take that one of two ways.

[Dan Patrick]

What do you think it is?

[Marvin]

I think it might be more looking for attention. Just like when a columnist has some kind of crazy take that's never going to happen or not true. Just to stand out when everyone's saying how much they love one thing, you got to be the one that hates on the coach higher or whatever for attention. So I think for me, it might be more attention than, you know, I want to. I feel a need to explain myself to everyone that might be upset.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, if you want attention, then why aren't. Why is it surprised? Okay, so if he wants attention or she wants attention, then they should come. Come forward. Tell us why you didn't vote for each of. You know, you get caught up in the baseball. Pierce. Now the voting doesn't come out for the Pro Football hall of Fame. Like, I don't know how many votes somebody gets or how many votes somebody doesn't get. We, you know, so we can single out baseball, but baseball is about percentages. We get to see the percentages. So we follow along with this. You know, it's baseball, stock market. I'm seeing guys who rise and guys who fall and guys from nowhere all of a sudden, you know, get in the conversation or guys who get to a certain level, and that's all they're going to get, you know, like a Rod or Manny Ramirez or Bonds or Clemens. But I like following along with that because I like to understand These trends, like, why is somebody a halt. Billy Wagner is a Hall of Famer in his last year of eligibility. Why was he a Hall of Famer? That's what I'm always curious about. He didn't play any more baseball. Last I looked, he didn't play any more baseball. Paulie, check. Did Billy Wagner play any more baseball?

[Matt Castle]

I got nothing.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. But you get to this point and it's, you know, the writers are the gatekeepers here. So if you're going to have a powerful position, then I'd like to know where you stand on somebody. And I think that when I voted for the NBA, I had no problem my voting and I made it public. And did I get roughed up in Salt Lake when I didn't vote for Karl Malone or in Phoenix when I didn't vote for Barkley? Yes, but it goes along with the territory. I had no problem with that. Yes. Yes, Marvin.

[Tony]

And when it comes to MLB hall of Fame voting, guys like Carlos Beltran, who got like 70% of the vote, I'm sure it's got to be one of those or. You're kidding me.

[Dan Patrick]

No, no. He's going to get in next year.

[Tony]

Almost like Billy Wagner. Like, you're close this year, but then next year.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Yeah, yeah. Carlos Meltron will get in next year. I think Andrew Jones should, you know, he should get in now. He was close as well. And I don't think the voting as far as candidates next year, I don't think it's a great list, but. And sometimes it's timing. Yes, Tony.

[Marvin]

See, that's a problem, too, that you're going to get it to Cooperstown or not based on how weak or strong the year is of who's up on a given year should not be included in who you vote for.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, you're all fired up with your Houston Astros gear on.

[Marvin]

I've always been about Billy Wagner. I just haven't spoken about it a lot on air. I kept that one to myself. It's nobody's business.

[Matt Castle]

Yes, Paul Ritzy looks like relaxed fit Billy Wagner right now in that outfit.

[Dan Patrick]

I don't think I'd use fit, but I am relaxed. Yeah, you are.

[Marvin]

I'm comfortable in my 2 XL jersey.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm good. Yeah, you got your Billy Wagner. That was that, that jersey, that uniform of the Astros. Boring is boring. Boring.

[Marvin]

Killer bees, though.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Marvin]

Doesn't change the look of the jersey.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Todd. All right, let me take a break. We'll settle on a poll question. Sports anger. We'll address that coming up. We're back after this Dan Patrick show. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Jon Stewart]

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[Dan Patrick]

Big basketball game coming up tonight. If I would have said this at the beginning of the year, hey, mid January, big basketball game, you say. Who are the Lakers playing? Cavaliers. Rockets coming up tonight. My Rockets, My Cavs coming up tonight. Anybody? Anybody?

[Matt Castle]

All right.

[Dan Patrick]

Anybody? Okay, all right. Paulie came in and he had sports anger. And I said, all right, well slow it down, save it, save it for the show. But he had some sports anger. We'll address that coming up. Also we'll play whose stats what you want. Seaton, would you give me the poll question from the first hour? Did we decide on something?

[Paulie]

I don't know if he necessarily decided on something, but we have many, many options.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Paulie]

Including should hall of Fame voting be public or private? That's kind of fun. Paul has if you were a baseball hall of Fame rotor, would you hall of Fame voter, would you lean towards not voting for anyone as a first ballot hall of Famer?

[Dan Patrick]

There are purists who do that, that, hey, Babe Ruth wasn't unanimous or Ty Cobb. And I mean, because you did that, you know, back then you had writers who really held a grudge against some athletes, certainly Ted Williams, even the Boston writers didn't like him. But nowadays I think today's athlete understands that you have to have avail availability. You have to be able to be. I think your relationship with the media is important. And so I think today's athlete smarter to understand that. You can't be brooding. You know, Barry Bonds could be that way, but he was also a great player. There's certain athletes where you go, yeah, he doesn't care about the media, but he's too good to pass up. Now with Bonds, obviously you got baggage there, but he was still a difficult guy to deal with there. There's certain guys that difficult, but sometimes the numbers are just too good. But I do think your vote should be public. I have a problem. If somebody says he's not a Hall of Famer his first year, but his seventh year, he's a Hall of Famer. I just think if I say your name, then that should tell me what you think of that player. Not he's got to earn it, but they do. You can see the progression. Somebody will get 13%, then all of a sudden it's 22, then it's 29, then it's, you know, 41. They're trending, but that's how the process is. And the baseball writers, they wield all the power here, just like pro football writers, they wield all the power. What else do you have? Seaton.

[Paulie]

Here's another one that I'm sort of kicking around a little bit. Who's coaching? Legacy changes more with a Super bowl win this season.

[Dan Patrick]

Wow. Let me save that one. Let me save that one for next hour when we have. Well, no, I have Joe Thomas in the final hour of the program.

[Paulie]

CC might have some thoughts on it, though.

[Dan Patrick]

CC Sabathia. I think he was a football player. So he'll join us a little later on. I like that one, though. But we'll get to that. Need a little bit more time. I'll have to deal with Paulie's sports anger here coming up. So we'll do something that's baseball hall of Fame related. How about should a writer's ballot be made public? We okay with that? Sure. Okay. Anybody think the ballot should not be made public? Nobody in the room. Good. That's the right answer. All right. All right, Paulie, your sports anger.

[Matt Castle]

Well, I think this speaks for a lot of people. If you're not voting for Ichiro Suzuki for the hall of Fame on his first ballot, what's the reason? What's the reason you could concoct? I go back to a player like George Brett. George Brett's an all time baseball great. His hall of Fame candidacy is not even a question. Eight guys didn't vote for him on the first ballot. I don't understand the reasoning of it, as you've said before, because you have to create something. Who are you saving it for if not George Brett or Mike Schmidt or Ichiro? Those are the guys. You don't think. You just vote.

[Dan Patrick]

But I, I've had a baseball writer, I don't know if he still is a Hall of Fame voter. I'd have to look. But he said, I, I want to use my vote for somebody else because I know people will vote for George Brett or Mike Schmidt or. So this guy might not get the attention and therefore some writers, and I know one who said, I, I'm going to give my vote to somebody else and maybe help their cause. Which, whether you like that or not, I get that. You know, but that, that was one person's logic. Yes. Polling.

[Matt Castle]

Would you like to be bothered real quick then? 9 people didn't vote for Hank Aaron when he was on the ballot. I cannot imagine a reason you can come up with 11 people didn't vote for Tony Gwynn.

[Dan Patrick]

You know, I mean, Willie Mays wasn't unanimous, Right. Mickey Mantle wasn't unanimous. Yes.

[Marvin]

Todd, what if 80% of the people that are voting disagree with someone else's vote? Is that enough to say you just lost your voting privileges? Make it a little more interesting where we like Survivor hall of Fame voters.

[Dan Patrick]

No, I don't want it to be draconian. I, you know, it's, this is an honor to vote and I'm sure they take it very seriously. But I do like that you have to come clean on it. I just can't.

[Paulie]

I'm sorry. I just can't give him the vote this time.

[Justin Pennick]

I just can't.

[Matt Castle]

Willie Mays, 94.7 of the vote, 5% of the voters said, I just didn't know, you know what, those last few.

[Paulie]

Seasons, okay, take away the catch and.

[Dan Patrick]

What else does he have?

[Marvin]

You take away the catch, take away.

[Paulie]

The catch, what else does he have? That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. That's all I'm saying.

[Matt Castle]

The Great Rickey Henderson, 6% of people didn't vote for MC. Can you imagine a reason? And the thing about, you know, these, these are sports writers doing it. These aren't casual people. They're supposed to be objective and just say, like, know, I find it very frustrating and not altruistic, but that's what.

[Dan Patrick]

I, I think it should be made public. This is something for us that it's very public for these players. And if you're voting, just tell me why you voted or you didn't vote and, you know, you, you've earned the, the right to be able to vote. And it's open to interpretation. I respect that people didn't like that. I voted for Jordan for mvp and as I said, I didn't vote for Barkley. I didn't vote for Karl Malone. They won the mvp. And there were columnists who came after me and wanted to know why I didn't vote for them. And it's. I said I didn't. It's not that I didn't vote for them. It's just I voted for Jordan because he is the most valuable player. And I thought the end result would be Mike would win a championship. And he did. Those years that Karl Malone was MVP in Charles. Maybe that's not fair to them that. But that's my interpretation of it. That was my logic behind all of that. Yes, Marvin.

[Tony]

I can't wait until the sports writer comes out and says, oh, I think Walt Weiss deserve. Deserves some love. So that's why I vote for Ichiro. Is there a certain amount of players you can vote for each year?

[Dan Patrick]

I don't. Are there 10? Is that. I don't know. I think there's a ballot of certain number of players that you can vote for. I think that's how it works.

[Paulie]

Yeah, but how the hell does some of these people get all the way down to 11 then on the list where you're like, I don't know if I can do that.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, you'll see, like, Ian Kinsler will get a vote from somebody.

[Matt Castle]

Deservedly so. Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Finally, Louise soho got a like, hey.

[Matt Castle]

What are we doing?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I remember. Rest his soul. Fred Hickman didn't vote for Shaq. Shaq was going to be unanimous mvp. And I work with Freddie at CNN and espn and I think he voted for Iverson. Shaq never let him forget it, man. Never. Even. Even today I could have Shaq on and I'd say, gosh, what do you remember about that season when, you know, you won mvp? Yeah, should have been unanimous. But guys will do a solid for a player. And sometimes, though, they won't vote for somebody because they had a run in with them, a problem with them. It happens because the human element is involved in this. Couple of phone calls in here. Sam in la. Good morning, Sam. What's on your mind today?

[Matt Castle]

Good morning, Dan and the Danettes. Hey, my great grandfather is in the Baseball hall of Fame. His name is Wahoo Sam Crawford. And I think Ichiro does deserve the hall of Fame. But my question would be if he was a high school senior today. And that's when they seem to draft baseball players a few years in the minor leagues. Would Ichiro's style of play make it to the big leagues today? Your. And in honor of my great grandfather, can the Dan has look up one cool thing and say it on the air?

[Dan Patrick]

He's pretty remarkable. Thank you. All right. That's Wahoo. Did he play for Cleveland? I think yeah. Would Ichiro be, you know, would they want somebody who's going to be a slap hitter that you're going to bat.360? I don't think his own base percentage was as great as it probably should have been. For somebody who had like one year, Ichiro had 262 hits, I believe. 262. Getting to 200 was supposed to be magical. Yes, Paulie.

[Matt Castle]

He did not walk a lot and he did not strike out a lot. The ball was in play.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, he was a great fielder. Had a great arm as well. Now they didn't win, but like Ichiro was like Tony Gwynn was like Wade Boggs was like Rod Carew. You couldn't get him out. Yes, Marv.

[Tony]

Yeah. His best chance to win was his rookie year. They won like 116 games. He won MVP that season, I believe.

[Dan Patrick]

Rookie of the year and MVP.

[Tony]

Yeah. I think Brett Boone hit 49, 40, 48 home runs that year.

[Dan Patrick]

So that was good team. But that was a team built for the regular season, not the postseason.

[Tony]

Oh, yeah. When the Yankees saw them, they were like, all right, this is enough.

[Dan Patrick]

They didn't, they didn't have great starting pitching. They didn't have that hammer that you go, oh, we got, we're going to face him three times. Who they have like Wilson Alvarez or something? I don't know.

[Tony]

Mike Cameron.

[Dan Patrick]

I liked my Cameron, but he wasn't pitching. Let's see. Yes.

[Matt Castle]

Paulie, I can remember you doing the radio show at ESPN back before. I worked on it and you guys did lots of topics of Ichiro. Should he be eligible for Rookie of the Year even though he played five years in Japan? It was like an ongoing topic his entire rookie year.

[Dan Patrick]

Did we, did we find out about Sam Crawford? Did he play for Cleveland? That. I don't, I mean, I don't know anything else about him. I played for the Reds. Okay.

[Marvin]

And the Tigers.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Wahoo. He was from Wahoo, Nebraska. I think got is how he got his nickname, but I don't know what, what is the biggest distinguishing stat? Yes, Marvin.

[Tony]

Two time home run leader in 1901. In 1908. I would love to see how many homers he hit. Probably like four. Three time American League RBI leader, 2010, 2014, 2015.

[Dan Patrick]

Nobody is breaking down Wahoo. Sam Crawford like we are. He does hold Baseball's career record of 309 triples.

[Marvin]

Wow, that's a lot of triples.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Todd.

[Marvin]

He led the league in triple six times.

[Dan Patrick]

The day. Here comes that what stat of the day. That's why I love doing this show. Who knows where we're going. Yes.

[Tony]

Marvin, you know how many career home runs he had after leading the league?

[Dan Patrick]

17.

[Tony]

No, he was a boss. 97.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, man.

[Tony]

Babe Ruth hit that in 18 months.

[Dan Patrick]

He killed that. Yes. Paul.

[Matt Castle]

In oh one as a rookie he led the league with 16 home runs. 1901.

[Dan Patrick]

Love it. Jackson in Texas. Hi, Jackson. What's on your mind today? Yes. Reason why I appreciate you, Dan, is that you're always looking in the mirror on voting one guy that I've got a problem with that these writers are not looking in the mirror. Is. Is you look at Kurt Schilling. Yep. Strikeout to walk ratio when you go to it. And then when he makes a personal opinion, they hold it against him. And then the judge's character, which he won the Roberto Clemente Award. He took three different franchises to the World Series. He's got three World Series rings with two different franchises. Let alone this man himself as a baseball player was very dominant. Oh, we were talking about Kurt Schilling yesterday. His personality kept him out of the hall of Fame because if you said you got a game to win, he's on the short list all time pitchers. He's a top 10 game on the line postseason. And Curt Schilling would certainly be on my short list there. But I don't know how much personality or comments, political stance, how that's supposed to factor in. I think it does more in baseball. I don't think it's supposed to factor in at all with the Pro Football hall of Fame. I don't know the criteria. Yes, Marv.

[Tony]

And people forget about him in Philadelphia too.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Tony]

Like young Kirsch. Schiller was a boss even before he got to the Diamondbacks and the Red Sox.

[Dan Patrick]

I think he had a season where he won 13 games and had 300 strikeouts and he bet, you know. And then they played Toronto in the World Series and, and Shill was very good in that World Series. That's when Mitch Williams gave up the home run to Joe Carter. But the attention he got was. He had a towel over his head I think when Mitch came in and it was a, oh my God, I can't watch this. And I think that, I mean chill was polarizing. Shill, smartest guy in the room. Just ask him. But I liked him. I thought he was entertaining. And you want somebody who mans up game on the line. He. He is, he wants the ball. How about who's. Whose stats would you want here?

[Jon Stewart]

Who stats.

[Dan Patrick]

Whose Stats would you want? Tell me, tell me, tell me.

[Jon Stewart]

Who stats.

[Dan Patrick]

Who stats would you want? All right, Paulie, pitcher number one.

[Matt Castle]

Here you go. You know, Marvin has one more thing for you.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, who stands? Who stands? You won't. Where the heck did that come from?

[Tony]

I typed in stats.

[Paulie]

I think that's Ray in the back room. I think he just whipped that one up. Oh, no, I'm just kidding.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, here we go. Okay, whose stats would you Want? Pitcher number one. In his career, he had 251 wins, 3.74 ERA, one Cy Young Award. Top five for the Cy Young five times 10 and seven in the postseason, including an ALCS MVP. Pitcher number two, 216 career wins, 3.46 ERA. No Cy Youngs, but finished in the top five four different times for the Cy Young. He was 11 and two in the postseason. He had an NLCS MVP and a World Series MVP. Who's stats would you want?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, do I want Kurt Shillings stats picture number two? Number two. Or do I want CC Sabathias picture number one? Okay. Boy, I don't know if there's a wrong answer in this. I would take shilling just the postseason numbers 11 and 2 in the postseason. MVP in the World Series. MVP. NLCS MVP for the Red Sox. Yes.

[Matt Castle]

Paulie Shilling on his best year with the hall of fame voting, got 71 of the vote. He finished 16 shy. CC is going in first ballot.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, yeah. Let me take a break, get some more phone calls. Coming up. CC Sabathia will join us. Coming up. Remember when he would tilt his cap and all the baseball purists had a problem with that? He doesn't respect the game. Put your hat on correctly. A little respect. Come on. It's like when Ken Griffey Jr. Had his hat backwards. Oh, my God.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, no.

[Dan Patrick]

What's he doing to the game? Let me take a break.

[Tony]

He wouldn't do that.

[Dan Patrick]

Play the days next. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports.

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[Bobby Bones]

Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I texted you and you texted me back. Now I don't know if you have the update, but like all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like it's all colored. They changed it and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm gonna be honest, it was a little pink.

[Dan Patrick]

There was something sentimental when you, when you send it. It was like, do I send the heart?

[Bobby Bones]

Now I don't like the color edition.

[Dan Patrick]

It's extremely pink.

[Bobby Bones]

Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Matt Castle]

Consider this is a daily news podcast and lately the news is about a big question. How much can one guy change?

[Dan Patrick]

They want change.

[Matt Castle]

What will change look like for energy?

[Dan Patrick]

Drill baby Drill schools. Take the Department of Education. Close it.

[Bobby Bones]

Health care better and less expensive.

[Matt Castle]

Follow coverage of a changing country.

[Dan Patrick]

Promises made, promises kept.

[Matt Castle]

We're gonna keep our promises on consider this from NPR. Listen on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jon Stewart]

Jon Stewart is back at the Daily show and he's bringing his signature wit and insight straight to your ears with the Daily Show Ears Edition podcast. Dive into John's unique take on the biggest topics in politics, entertainment, sports and more. Joined by the sharp voices of the show's correspondents and contributors, and with extended interviews and exclusive week weekly headline roundups, this podcast gives you content you won't find anywhere else. Ready to laugh and stay informed? Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dan Patrick]

The.

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[Matt Castle]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Jon Stewart]

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[Marvin]

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[Bobby Bones]

And Zoe Tillman, senior legal report reporter. Courts are not supposed to decide elections. Courts are not really supposed to play a big role in choosing our elected leaders.

[Dan Patrick]

It's for the voters to decide.

[Matt Castle]

Follow the Big Take podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen. Oh, my God.

[Dan Patrick]

Of the day. This is the play of the day. Check this out.

[Justin Pennick]

Not sure.

[Dan Patrick]

Kate got a lot on that shot, but it didn't go.

[Justin Pennick]

Now the other it's Faby Baraby to the line. Tippet drives the net.

[Bobby Bones]

Bary to tip it.

[Jon Stewart]

It's along the line.

[Dan Patrick]

It is in.

[Jon Stewart]

They score.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Paulie]

I sure can. Okay, we got up there right now for the first hour of the show, hall of Fame voting should be public or private. This is going to shock you, but this one's a landslide. 90% of the audience want the voting public.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I just, I think that's the fun part. Sports is about conversation. It's about arguing and why, you know, why do we stop here where you don't have to tell somebody who you're voting for? I think it's so important to these players. I think that they're owed that if, if I was a candidate and I was around 73%, I didn't get in. Why didn't I get in? What's holding me back? Not that I can do anything about it, but at least I can understand, you know, that one year, Bruce Suter was the only one to get in and like, there was no other hall of Fame candidates back then that year, just one, Bruce Suter. Now, some, you know, people say that I've been criticized because I'm more lenient with it. I want to celebrate no matter what the sport is, more celebration than less. And with baseball celebrating more, baseball needs more celebrating. Now, that doesn't mean I'm putting in marginal players or borderline players. You still have to be a Hall of Famer. It's just the process sometimes of. You need to earn this, you need to grovel a little bit here. Yeah. You got 49%, man. Next year you get to 57, and you might get up to 61. And we'll see. You got four more years on the ballot, maybe. Yes, Marvin.

[Tony]

So the part that's getting me is Billy Wagner, his first year in 2016, on the ballot, 10%.

[Dan Patrick]

I know.

[Tony]

And now you're in.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Tony]

Like, what happened in these.

[Dan Patrick]

Like.

[Tony]

Like Paulie said, he hasn't played any.

[Dan Patrick]

Baseball, paid his dues. Maybe the landscape changed. Now there's 394 voters for the Baseball hall of Fame. I don't know if they put out. You know, here. Here are the parameters. I think it's just. And. And analytics has changed a lot. You know, with how you're supposed to look at somebody. Somebody you thought was really good is not as good as you thought they were, and somebody who you didn't think was that good or hall of Fame worthy, all of a sudden you get analytics. And I think that's helped quite a few players. Yes.

[Matt Castle]

Paulie, also, I think baseball is more friendly to injury. If Terrell Davis clearly on his way to the hall of Fame before injury hit. Clearly. But he didn't have a Hall of Fame career with numbers. He had three unbelievable seasons. If you want to compare that to baseball. Tim Linceum, two straight Cy Youngs, then the injury bug made him an average pitcher for a while. He does not get credit, and he will not go to the hall of Fame. Likely.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. But Terrell Davis is in the hall of Fame, and he had two of the greatest running seasons ever. Ever. He's got the most yards in a season, regular season, postseason combined. And he was the reason why they won two Super Bowls. Injuries cut short his career. I'm okay with that. Like, he was great and he was a difference maker. They ran the ball down your throat. And Terrell Davis, short career. Gail Sayers, short career. Sandy Koufax, short career. Kirby Puckett, like, I get it. It's. It doesn't work. For everybody but those that you see and you go, golly, that guy is just different than everybody else. Let's see Sean in Oregon. Hi, Sean. Welcome back.

[Matt Castle]

Hey, Dan, thanks for taking my call. I just don't think we're going to see too many people get in unanimously. I mean, it just isn't there.

[Jon Stewart]

Only one player that's been accepted unanimously.

[Matt Castle]

Isn't that Mo Rivera?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

Well, and then when I think of Mo Rivera, I think, you know, the.

[Jon Stewart]

Biggest moment in his entire career was.

[Matt Castle]

The only one, game seven.

[Dan Patrick]

He's only pitched in one game seven.

[Matt Castle]

In the World Series, and he blew it.

[Jon Stewart]

That's when I think of him.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. He. I mean, he had one moment that he didn't, you know, he failed. That was a blue pit by Luis Gonzalez over shortstone. All right. I mean, he had one bad moment in an entire career. Yes, Barb.

[Tony]

And the thing was, me and Paulie were just talking about it. The thing that made it so big was that it never happened to Mo Rivera. He always closed the deal.

[Dan Patrick]

And it was a broken bat by Luis Gonzalez.

[Tony]

He didn't hit some bomb?

[Dan Patrick]

No, it, like it just kind of fell. Fell out into the outfield. Yes.

[Matt Castle]

Paul, I think you asked mo Rivera maybe 10 years ago about it. Did it bother you that it was such a no offense, weak hit, like a slap hit? He goes, oh, totally.

[Dan Patrick]

But he threw the perfect pitch. He broke his bat. Like it went in on him so much. And Gonzalez fought it off and, you know, won the World Series. Yeah.

[Paulie]

See, it's actually like the perfect way to. For him to be beaten in that moment. You know, just a kind of a lucky, fluky play that like, God, this is the one.

[Dan Patrick]

Really?

[Paulie]

That's it. Like, nobody. They didn't get a hold of one.

[Dan Patrick]

They didn't.

[Paulie]

Whatever. It's just this little fluke.

[Dan Patrick]

Wasn't he on the mound when Dave Roberts stole second base against the Yankees? So two moments there. Oh, but he got 100% of the vote. Hundred percent. CC Sabathia will join us. Hall of Famer. A few things. Talk to him about. I like to get a pair of those pants that he used to wear, those huge pants. Hour two on the way up to this.

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[Bobby Bones]

Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing With a Star. So where else you gonna find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything. Listen to Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Indicator is a podcast where daily economic news is about what matters to you. And we're guessing most days that's money.

[Tony]

Workers have been feeling the sting of.

[Bobby Bones]

Inflation, so as a new administration promises action on the cost of living, taxes and home prices, the S&P 500 biggest post election day spike ever. Follow all the big changes and what they mean for you.

[Dan Patrick]

Make America affordable again.

[Bobby Bones]

Listen to the Indicator from NPR on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get podcasts.

[Jon Stewart]

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[Justin Pennick]

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