Hour 1 – Shedeur Sanders Got Humbled, Joe Thomas

Summary

Summary of "The Dan Patrick Show" – Episode: Hour 1 – Shedeur Sanders Got Humbled, Joe Thomas

Release Date: April 25, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of The Dan Patrick Show, hosts Dan Patrick and Todd Fritz engage in an in-depth discussion about the recent NFL Draft, focusing primarily on the Cleveland Browns' strategic moves. Special guest Joe Thomas, a Hall of Famer from the Cleveland Browns, joins the conversation to provide expert insights and personal anecdotes related to the draft decisions.

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1. Cleveland Browns' Draft Strategy

Dan Patrick initiates the discussion by analyzing the Cleveland Browns' significant decisions during the NFL Draft, particularly their selection of Travis Hunter and the acquisition of Shador Sanders in the second round.

• Trade Details and Implications

  Dan explains the complexity of the Browns' trade:

  "Well, we did it. We made it to a Friday... I thought the draft would start with Jacksonville because they went up and got the number two pick from the Cleveland Browns and they took Travis Hunter."
  (05:53)

  He further elaborates on the strategic value of combining an offensive and defensive back:

  "If you take Travis Hunter and I take Shador Sanders, I'll roll the dice on Shador's. The second day draft pick."
  (11:04)

• Balancing Offense and Defense

  Dan and Todd debate whether the Browns' approach of drafting players for both offense and defense will provide immediate relevance:

  "But you also have to give him time to get up to speed... Is this going to work or isn't it?"
  (18:48)

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2. Evaluation of Shador Sanders' Draft Position

The conversation shifts to Shador Sanders' fall out of the first round, exploring potential reasons behind this unexpected outcome.

• Ability vs. Attitude Concerns

  Dan discusses mixed perceptions about Sanders:

  "But I want to give him credit because he's a great kid. I feel like it's a little bit of a trap because he's very clear about playing both positions."
  (17:40)

  He questions whether rumors about Sanders being arrogant influenced his draft position:

  "To what extent was that arrogant, brash rumor thing a factor in him not getting picked in the first round?"
  (08:30)

• Impact on Team Dynamics

  Joe Thomas shares his thoughts on how a player's attitude can affect team chemistry:

  "Do I think Shador seems entitled? Sure. Do I think that he's been treated as a star most of his life? Yes."
  (48:22)

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3. Comparison to MLB's Shohei Ohtani

The Browns' dual-position strategy is compared to MLB's Shohei Ohtani, highlighting the challenges and similarities of excelling in multiple roles.

• Feasibility in the NFL vs. MLB

  Dan draws parallels between Travis Hunter and Shohei Ohtani:

  "Baseball is also one of those games that you can go innings without having to do anything... Playing both ways in baseball or doing both positions is way easier than in the NFL."
  (19:53)

  He questions the practicality of Hunter excelling equally on both sides:

  "But almost everybody universally is like, but you can't."
  (15:54)

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4. Audience Poll and Participation

Dan introduces a poll to engage listeners in evaluating the Browns' and Jaguars' draft moves.

• Poll Questions

  "Long term, who made the better move, Jaguars or Browns?"
  (12:59)

  "Shador Sanders fell because ability or attitude?"
  (13:11)

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5. Interview with Joe Thomas

Joe Thomas joins the show to provide his perspective on the Browns' draft decisions and offer advice to new draftees.

• Thoughts on the Browns' Draft Decisions

  Joe expresses support for Travis Hunter's selection:

  "It would be hard for me to pass up on Travis Hunter just because he's a guy that can change the game on both sides of the ball."
  (27:19)

  He also compliments the Browns' haul:

  "It was a historic haul for being able to just slide back a couple spots and then still get a great player in, Mason Graham."
  (28:19)

• Advice for New Players

  Offering valuable career advice, Joe emphasizes the importance of dedication and continuous improvement:

  "Just come in with your head down, be ready to work your eyes open your mouth shut, listen and learn from those old guys."
  (33:29)

• Critique of NFL Combine Measurements

  Joe criticizes the relevance of traditional measurements in evaluating players:

  "It's very much attached to these measuring systems that are very, very archaic."
  (36:31)

• Personal Anecdotes

  Sharing his own experiences, Joe highlights the challenges of transitioning from college to the NFL:

  "This is where the work begins. And I think no matter who you are... you do hit those oil slicks on your path to success."
  (31:16)

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6. Critique of NFL Combine Measurements

Joe Thomas offers a detailed critique of the NFL Combine's measurement standards, arguing that metrics like arm length and wingspan are outdated and not practical indicators of a player's potential success.

• Outdated Metrics and Practical Skills

  "They build these models of all right, you know, this is the probability of success if they have this measurement and that measurement. So they don't want to change it."
  (36:28)

  He suggests focusing more on practical skills rather than traditional measurements:

  "It's your feet. It's your technique, it's your balance, it's your mind and your ability to get into those biomechanical positions."
  (36:31)

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7. Personal Stories and Anecdotes

Throughout the conversation, Joe Thomas shares personal stories from his career, offering listeners a glimpse into the dedication required to succeed in the NFL.

• Commitment Over Fame

  "When I was drafted in 2007, I wasn't super excited to go to the draft because it kind of made me upset that a lot of players thought that this was the end of the road."
  (31:16)

  • Dealing with Injuries

    Reflecting on his career-ending injuries, Joe underscores the unpredictability of professional sports:

    "My career ended probably before I wanted to because I had a bad knee, I tore my tricep."
    (39:05)

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Conclusion

The episode provides a comprehensive analysis of the Cleveland Browns' draft strategies, highlighting the complexities and considerations involved in drafting dual-position players like Travis Hunter and Shador Sanders. With expert insights from Joe Thomas, listeners gain a deeper understanding of the balance between player ability, attitude, and team dynamics. The discussion underscores the challenges teams face in making strategic decisions that aim for both immediate impact and long-term success.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Dan Patrick on Browns' Trade Strategy:

  "If you take Travis Hunter today, you could have taken Shador Sanders yesterday, and then you reunite them."
  (05:53)

• Todd Fritz on Shador Sanders' Room:

  "He did. And if you'll go back to when we had Dion on... he got humbled."
  (08:36)

• Joe Thomas on Draft Strategy:

  "It would be hard for me to pass up on Travis Hunter just because he's a guy that can change the game on both sides of the ball."
  (27:19)

• Joe Thomas on Commitment:

  "If you want to be great, if you want to be consistently great, you got to do it for yourself."
  (33:29)

• Joe Thomas Critiquing Combine Measurements:

  "It's very much attached to these measuring systems that are very, very archaic."
  (36:28)

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[Joe Thomas]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Joe Thomas]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Todd Fritz]

We did it. We made it to a Friday. Look at this crowd. They were here early this morning. I don't even know if they left Lambeau. I think they went right from the draft right over here. And we're glad to have them. By the way, it's a meat Friday. And yes, we have Traeger grills here with us. We got wings, flats, only cheese, curds and brats. Who has it better than we do? Nobody. All righty. I like it. Audience participation. We'll try that again. Who has it better than we do? I love it. Brought to you by panini America, the official trading cards of the program. Gang's here. Marvin's here. The king of comedy. Fritzi. Got a rhyme time coming up. Seaton's here. Paulie in the back room, guys. And we want to once again thank Miller. Light drafts at the draft. Our friends at Miller Light for 50 years. The top pick for beer lovers since 1975. It's the original light beer play of the day, stat of the day, poll question, all of that forthcoming. We'll talk to Joe Thomas, hall of famer at Cleveland browns. He'll join us coming up in about 15 minutes. Lewis Riddick was working the draft for the mothership. He'll stop by a little later on. Rick Neuheisel. He'll join us as well, on loan from CBS sports, and maybe he'll bring his guitar to play a song for us. 877,3DP show. We say good morning if you're watching on peacock. Thank you. Downloading the app. It's our streaming partner. A lot of things to dive into. Yesterday, late in the show, I'd gotten word that Jacksonville was going to make a move. I didn't know what the move was going to be. And I thought, if they're trading up, who are they trading up for? Or if somebody is going to trade with them and they fall down a little bit in the draft, what's going to happen with Jacksonville? I thought the draft would start with Jacksonville. I guess you can say that the draft did start with Jacksonville because they went up and got the number two pick from the Cleveland Browns and they took Travis Hunter. Apparently, they didn't have much contact with Travis Hunter prior to the draft, and I think he was surprised. But I give Jacksonville credit because you do have a quarterback and now you've got a curiosity there. A two way player. You're Shohei Otani of sorts. I'm still confused here because we had Daniel Jeremiah who worked the draft for NFL Network and he joined us yesterday and he said it was a hundred percent. A hundred percent the Browns were taking Travis Hunter. And I'm thinking, okay, if they take Travis Hunter and late in the show I told you that I didn't think Shador Sanders was going into the first round. I had heard from somebody who said that they didn't think that. A scout said they didn't think that he was going in the first round. Now what I thought was if he doesn't go in the first round, Cleveland has the first pick today. So you could take Shador Sanders today, you could have taken Travis Hunter yesterday, and then you reunite them. To me, that gives Cleveland some gravitas. Something oomph. You care. I mean, Joe Flacco's my age and he's quarterbacking the Cleveland Browns. Actually he's a year younger than me.

[Dan Patrick]

Got it.

[Todd Fritz]

But you got Miles Garrett. I mean, what else do you have here? You could have had an identity overnight with Travis Hunter and then Shador Sanders. And I think Cleveland's probably taking Shador Sanders with that first pick in the second round. So there were a lot of things yesterday and I'm watching the draft and you would never get the feeling that Cam Ward was the number one overall pick because while he's being selected, the mothership and NFL Network went all in on the trade at number two. So Cam Ward was an. He might be one of those five, ten years from now we'll be like Travis Hunter. Did he go number one? No, he went number two. Who went number one? Cam Ward. That's right, Cam Ward. Because it, and it felt like the. I guess the best player, most notable player was Travis Hunter. The second most notable player was Shador Sanders. Those were the two guys who were talked about the moat Shador for not being drafted. Got a lot of airtime and he talked about not being selected in the first round. We all didn't expect this, of course, but I feel like with God, anything possible, everything possible. I don't feel like this happened, you know, for no reason. All this is, is of course fuel to the fire. And under no circumstance. We all know this shouldn't happen, but we, we understand we on the bigger and better things. Tomorrow's the day we're gonna be happy regardless. Legendary. All right. All right. Did you see his draft room? He's got legendary. Like he's got legendary all over. It's as if that's his wallpaper. It says legendary all over his room, all over everywhere. They got legendary wallpaper there. You know, he got humbled yesterday. He did. And if you'll go back to when we had Dion on when we were at the super bowl, it was like, are you telling teams to not draft your. Your son? And I mean, there was a whole big deal about he's not going to go play for those teams. Is he going to pull an Eli Manning? But he got humbled. Although DraftKings just gave me the odds here. And the team that has the best odds to draft Shador Sanders is the Cleveland Browns. Now the Raiders are second, and then you have the Saints, Steelers a distant fourth, tied with the jets and the Rams there. Yes. Todd, to what extent was that arrogant, brash rumor thing you think, a factor in him not getting picked in the.

[Dan Patrick]

First round versus that these teams just.

[Todd Fritz]

Didn'T want him in round one. What do you think? I think it did have a little bit of a factor.

[Joe Thomas]

I think there were a few teams that were considering him and that might.

[Todd Fritz]

Have been the deciding factor. If they thought he had some kind of arrogance to him that he might.

[Joe Thomas]

Not be good in the locker room, then just, you know what, let's move.

[Todd Fritz]

On to somebody else. I don't know. I haven't heard anything. I know that, you know, we've had these anonymous GMs or, you know, scouts who have said that about him. I was just told he didn't have a first round grade. Late yesterday in the show, scout said, I don't have a first round grade. And he didn't waver off of this. This is also the same person who said that he thinks a lot of the guys who do mock drafts were worried about, in his words, the smoke from not putting Shador Sanders in the first round, getting that smoke from Deion. And I think that maybe people put him in there because, well, it's going to drive traffic to your mock draft if you don't have Shador in the first round. You know, we're in the entertainment business now. Whether that's true or not. This is from a scout saying that he think a lot of the guys who do mock drafts put him in there just out of respect for Deion Sanders. Now, I said this before on the show. I had him third on my Heisman ballot. I had Ashton Genty, I had Travis Hunter, and then I had Shador. I thought that much of him. The one thing that kept coming back that I kept hearing was when you play in the NFL you process so much quicker and that's going to be a challenge for him and Cam Ward and Jackson Dart, whoever it is. You know, a lot of these guys play in a system that is really catered to making a lot of plays, completing a lot of passes. Shedor was taking a lot of punishment, but you know, my friend who's a scout said he holds on to the ball too long. Caleb Williams held on to the ball too long and you saw what happened to him in his rookie year. Can Shador play in the NFL? I believe that. Do I think he's a star? I don't. But I had great respect for what he did at Colorado. And if I'm Cleveland and I've, I've got Joe Flacco as my quarterback and Deshaun Watson somewhere in the building, I probably would have gone all in on Travis Hunter. I've got something unique. I've got something that somebody will tune in to watch were relevant. You're not now, you know, it's hey, let's tune in to watch Miles Garrett. Okay. You start with the quarterback or a skill position guy. And if I got Travis Hunter and I take Shador Sanders, I'll roll the dice on Shadors. The second, second day draft pick. Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

See, Shador has that thing where he's a star but maybe not a star player at that level. Right. He gets the attention. He's got a certain amount of charisma and all of those things that you want a little flash for a superstar. Just the question is, will it be a star player? Right.

[Todd Fritz]

Well, how many times do we say this like somebody's famous but we don't know what they're famous for?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, you're famous for being famous.

[Todd Fritz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Anna Kournikova, the tennis player.

[Dan Patrick]

Good poll.

[Todd Fritz]

Yeah, like she was famous but she wasn't a great tennis player.

[Dan Patrick]

So Shadur is the anacorn. That's what it sounds like.

[Todd Fritz]

It does. I'm going to retract that. I don't want it taken out of context. Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Do you think what happened yesterday is that the Browns were all set and then someone got drunk and overpaid?

[Todd Fritz]

Well, I don't, I don't know if they actually got drunk, but they gave.

[Dan Patrick]

Up the fifth pick, the 36 pick, Jacksonville. They give it the 136 pick and a first rounder next year, which should be in the top 15.

[Todd Fritz]

That's a lot if you're doing that. It feels like you're doing that because you're getting somebody who puts you over the top. I thought Jacksonville was going to win their division last year. I. I don't know if they have a star quarterback. I don't know if they have a franchise quarterback. He gets paid to be a franchise quarterback. But. And plus, how am I using Travis Hunter? Can I use him the entire game? Is it going to be more offense than defense? And this is what Daniel Jeremiah said, that you had Travis Hunter who was going to major in offense and minor in defense. And it felt like by all accounts, he could walk in day one and be a Pro bowl cornerback. And maybe not the same as a wide receiver. Seaton, what's the poll question for the first hour of the program?

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, we might as well start with that story right there. Long term, who made the better move, Jaguars or Browns?

[Todd Fritz]

Okay. All right. What else do you have?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I don't know if this one is fair, so I guess I might as well ask it on air. Shador Sanders fell because. Ability or attitude?

[Todd Fritz]

I'm gonna say ability.

[Dan Patrick]

I could also throw in another option there that says dad, but wow, all these feel really unfair.

[Todd Fritz]

Probably not getting Dion on today. Are we probably on. Did you reach out, Todd, to Dion? I have. Okay. Probably not getting him on today. This is. I'm waiting for. We're keeping receipts. I'm waiting for that from Dion. Yes. Paulie.

[Dan Patrick]

I can't remember a draft in the last 10 years where the analysts were so different. Mel Kuiper was pounding the table literally going, this is a huge mistake by about six or seven teams. A couple other, like serious analysts last night on the two different networks were saying, I have Shador as my top three picks overall. Top quarterback, hands down. He's risk free. He's a competitor. You know, don't worry about measurables. It's drastically different.

[Todd Fritz]

The opinions, that's what amazes me. And then to have somebody who I trust say that he didn't have a first round grade for Shador. You're watching the same player play in the same games against the same competition that everybody else is, but you come away. And I always use it as when you go into a museum and you go, look at that. And then somebody will say, what is that? Or, wow, look at like if you've ever looked at a Jackson Pollock painting, then you go, who spilled all this paint? Or it's, man, that's a genius there. Or a Rothko, where you go, that couple of million dollars, you know, so that kind of the way you look at sometimes these quarterbacks. Ashton Genty, I think we attached him to the Raiders a couple of months ago. I like what they're doing, but you got to keep pace in the West. Kansas City's good. Chargers got another running back. You know, they're going to be good. Denver was a playoff team. I like what the Raiders did. We said this with Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll's not there to build the Raiders. He's there to win with the Raiders. And that's why you get Geno, who can play. He's a good quarterback. I got Brock Bowers, who's awesome. Now I get a great running back, and I got Max Crosby. I at least have something. I always look at some of these teams and you go, you know, coming up on Sunday Night Football. And then all of a sudden, you know, you go to the Steelers and it's Cam Hayward, and you go, oh, that's not a good thing. You have to have somebody that. You go, oh, yeah, we're going to tune in and watch that guy. Well, the Raiders have those guys. Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

When you look at Travis Hunter, right. I keep seeing a lot of the question marks about him as a cornerback. Everybody seems to be like, he's polished. He's ready to go. There seem to be way more questions of him as a wide receiver. But that almost all of the. Like you were just saying about Daniel Jeremiah, it's like, well, he's going to major in offense and minor in defense. Doesn't that feel reversed?

[Todd Fritz]

Yes. Yeah, I was surprised at that because I think he just. And also. But look at the pay. If you look at what receivers get and what DBs get, I mean, if I'm. If I'm Travis Hunter, I'm going, I think I'd like to play offense. I think they pay a little better over there, but he's a unicorn here. Is he going to get the. Is he going to get numbers as a wide receiver if he's splitting time? And Drew Brees said this yesterday, he's like, I don't want my star receiver playing defense. I don't want that. Like, the odds of getting injured. Everybody gets injured if I add an extra 40 plays. So I've already increased the odds that my star player is going to eventually get hurt. Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

There was always that old saying that I heard once about or many times about, if you have two quarterbacks, you don't have one. Kind of feel the same way about that about Travis Hunter. If you have two positions, then you probably don't have one, which is the one that you're going to be great at. And then if you're going to start doing the other one, it's taking away from how good you could be at the other.

[Todd Fritz]

Do you think the Cleveland Browns made a good decision yesterday?

[Dan Patrick]

I feel like maybe.

[Todd Fritz]

So you're on the clock. Cam Ward's gone. Now you're on the clock. Jacksonville calls and says, here you go. I think, what would you have done?

[Dan Patrick]

I think that by taking him, you win the day. But I don't know that. I feel like it's a little bit of a trap.

[Todd Fritz]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

I do. I feel like it's a little. I think he. He's a great kid. I hope he does really, really well. I feel like it's a little bit of a trap because he's. He's very clear about. I'm playing both positions here, and almost everybody universally is like, but you can't.

[Todd Fritz]

Marvin, you're on the clock. If I'm Cleveland, I'm keeping my pick. So you're going to. You're going to keep Travis Hunter?

[Dan Patrick]

I am.

[Todd Fritz]

Okay. Todd, you're on the clock taking Travis Hunter.

[Dan Patrick]

Paul, I'm trading. I don't want to be micromanaged and critiqued by how I use this player on both sides of the ball. If you have an offensive set where he's not on the field for some reason and you throw an incompletion, what are you doing? What are you doing every week?

[Todd Fritz]

But I want to be talked about. Cleveland is not going to be talked about. You're not relevant.

[Dan Patrick]

It's. It's close with me. Like, I. If you take him, man, it.

[Todd Fritz]

He.

[Dan Patrick]

His first five years, he's probably gonna be awesome and play both ways. But my bet is in five years, he's at one position.

[Todd Fritz]

All I need him is for five years.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. Rookie contract.

[Todd Fritz]

Like, I need to be relevant. I got to get out from underneath desean Watson Steel. We eventually find our quarterback. I would have had Travis, I would have had Shador, and now all of a sudden, we are relevant. Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

But you also have to give him time to get up to speed. Right. So you're going to have to survive that first half of the season, say, where it's like, all right, is this working or isn't it? Right.

[Todd Fritz]

Yeah, but you're not making the playoffs, so you do have that leeway. It's like, okay, so what? But people will tune in to watch the Browns. Yes. Marvin. All right, so if he's just great.

[Joe Thomas]

At one position and marginal at the other, is he considered a bust because.

[Todd Fritz]

The, the thing about him was he's a unicorn. He plays both sides of the ball well. Ohtani's not a great pitcher. He's a good pitcher. If he doesn't pitch again, nobody's going to say he's a bust. Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

I think the comp to Ohtani is exact. It's not even like forced. When Ohtani decided to come to America and play mlb, he told teams, I'm playing both ways. A number of teams passed on him. They passed. And one of the teams that said, we'll embrace it because the Angels needed relevancy and needed star power, and they said yes. Did they keep him? No. But they're one of the few teams that said you can play both ways. For us.

[Todd Fritz]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Baseball is also one of those games that you can go innings without having to do anything. You know, you might not see a single ball at right field and you might not bat for the this inning, next inning, and whatever. And so you actually do nothing. Playing both ways in baseball or doing both positions is way easier than in the NFL.

[Todd Fritz]

All right. And with that, we'll take a break. We'll ask Joe Thomas, former Cleveland Brown, what he would have done last night.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, Paul, that was good. Sports radio.

[Todd Fritz]

I think I almost get a round of applause.

[Dan Patrick]

Look at us doing our job.

[Joe Thomas]

You know what I mean?

[Todd Fritz]

How about we take a break here? Come on back after this.

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[Joe Thomas]

The 40s and free agents Podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL Draft.

[Dan Patrick]

We've told you what last year's playoff teams need to return to the postseason.

[Joe Thomas]

And how teams with new coaches should approach the draft.

[Dan Patrick]

So as draft season comes to a close, we've got you covered. Before your favorite team goes on the clock, we'll break it all, all down. Once all 257 picks have been made.

[Joe Thomas]

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Horrific stories that to this day have been kept restricted from the public until now. You feeling this too? A horror anthology podcast. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm Israel Gutierrez and I'm hosting a new podcast, Dub Dynasty, the story of how the Golden State warriors have dominated the NBA for over a decade, the.

[Todd Fritz]

Golden State warriors once again are NBA champions.

[Dan Patrick]

From the building of the core that included Klay Thompson and Draymond Green to one of the boldest coaching decisions in the history of the sport.

[Joe Thomas]

I just felt like the biggest thing.

[Todd Fritz]

Was to earn the trust of the players and let the players know that we were here to try to help them take the next step, not tear anything down.

[Dan Patrick]

Today, the warriors dynasty remains alive in large part because of a scrawny 6 foot 2 hooper who everyone seems to.

[Todd Fritz]

Love for what Steph has done for the game. He's certainly on that like Mount Rushmore.

[Dan Patrick]

For guys that have changed it, come revisit this magical warriors ride. This is Dub Dynasty.

[Joe Thomas]

The Dubs dynasty is still very much alive.

[Dan Patrick]

Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Todd Fritz]

We'll Talk to the hall of Famer, Joe Thomas, former Cleveland Brown, get his thoughts. What would he have done if he was running the Browns when they were on the clock last night? By the way, the coolest moment last night was when Mark Murphy of the packers got on stage and did this.

[Joe Thomas]

For the first time since 2002, left a wide receiver. Listen to this crowd. Oh, baby. Matthew golden, wide receiver of Texas. And he's here.

[Todd Fritz]

Look at him.

[Dan Patrick]

Look at him. That's so good.

[Todd Fritz]

That was great. That was great.

[Dan Patrick]

Amazing.

[Todd Fritz]

Because it was all week long we kept hearing Packer fans saying, who are we going to take? Who are we going to take? And I just kept saying wide receiver because I didn't think they were going to take a wide receiver and be like wide receiver. Of course. We even asked Coach LaFleur, even told him, you're going to take a wide receiver. I don't know. And then last night, so pretty, a pretty great moment there. By the way, the last time a team traded up into the top two to take a non quarterback was 1997. This player turned out to be a Hall of Famer. Anybody want to take a guess? Anyone want to take a. Yes, Paul.

[Dan Patrick]

Offensive lineman Orlando Pace.

[Todd Fritz]

Bloop, bloop. Yeah. Here comes. Here comes that what? Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America. Yes, the Rams traded up to take Orlando Pace. That same year, the Raiders traded up to number two to take Darrell Russell, defensive lineman. His career didn't turn out as well as Orlando paces this guy's career. Similar to Orlando Pace, hall of Famer. He's. Joe Thomas joins us on the program. Joe, come on in here. Round of applause for you.

[Joe Thomas]

How we doing? What's up? Hey, what's up, brother? How we doing? Yeah, show him off. You know, I did not come empty handed here because, you know, I'm from Wisconsin and Hookah is enjoying yourself. And my mom always taught me we got to be Wisconsin. Nice. And you don't show up as a guest empty handed. I got a little hat for you. I know you guys aren't Browns fans, but somewhere there's a Browns fan that may want that when we leave.

[Todd Fritz]

Okay. Are you still a Browns fan after what happened last night?

[Joe Thomas]

Well, it was a little tough last night. It was like Christmas morning when you're waking up and you've asked Santa for that one gift and you're just sure it's coming and all of a sudden you open it up and it's like, hey, this is a gift certificate for next year's Christmas, like, dang, what would you have done? I mean, it would be hard for me to pass up on Travis Hunter just because he's a guy that can change the game on both sides of the ball. You can never have enough good cornerbacks. You can never have enough good wide receivers. And would have been nice to see him because I think he's just a great locker room guy. And it was a tough year for Browns fans, let's be honest. And so to get a little bit of excitement and hope on draft day, which is typically our super bowl, would have been kind of nice. But I think when you look at the haul that they got, how do you turn that down? I mean, it was a historic haul for being able to just slide back a couple spots and then still get a great player in, Mason Graham.

[Todd Fritz]

Okay, but this is what I never understand. People talk about, oh, you got all these draft picks, but if you're not good at drafting, what does it matter? Because the Browns have a history of recent history of not being very good at drafting.

[Joe Thomas]

What do you consider recent? Like the last 20 years.

[Todd Fritz]

Yeah, last 15 years. I mean, you worked.

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah, well, I mean, they've had some good picks, obviously.

[Todd Fritz]

I mean.

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah, exactly.

[Todd Fritz]

Yeah.

[Joe Thomas]

The reason we're in this situation is.

[Todd Fritz]

Like Johnny Manziel, quarterback, the defensive back from Oklahoma State, that.

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah, let's not talk about Justin Gilbert. I'm sorry, I had to mention. Mention that name.

[Todd Fritz]

Yeah. But I, I just thought if you take Travis Hunter now, you're relevant now. Somebody now we would tune in to watch the Browns. Yeah, nobody's tuning in to watch Miles Garrett. I mean, you appreciate Miles Garrett, but you want to be relevant, and the Browns aren't relevant. Now the curiosity is how old is their quarterback? I mean, that's really the big curiosity here. You get Travis Hunter, and then today you get Shador Sanders. Now I got something. I got something fun here. Maybe it's not sustainable with the quarterback, but at least you reunite them. Now people are talking about the Cleveland Browns.

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah, I guess. Do you want to win the draft or do you want to win some games down the line? And I think it's a. It's a difficult decision and it's a tough trade off when you're sitting here and everybody wants that microwave approach, that instant gratification of being able to have those two guys like you mentioned. And you got the excitement. But, you know, there was a lot of excitement when we drafted Johnny Manziel. And, you know, we've had a lot of excitement on draft day. In the past, and it's not always worked out. So sometimes I think you do have to make the tough decisions and be realistic about the situation you're in. Admit to yourself that, hey, we aren't one player away. And we don't have enough conviction in Shadour Sanders, hoping that they'd be able to get him today to say, like, yep, we put those two guys together, we got a strong playoff team. We think that Shadour is a guy that can make maybe give us a run in the playoffs. And I just don't think that evaluation led them to that belief.

[Todd Fritz]

Did you ever pull Johnny Manzel to the side and have a conversation with him?

[Joe Thomas]

We talked occasionally, and I was like, hey, man, why don't you love football more? Like, it would be really cool if you showed up for a few meetings every now and then.

[Todd Fritz]

And what did he say?

[Joe Thomas]

I don't think he was there. I think I was sending a text message like, hey, we're at the meeting.

[Todd Fritz]

Where are you? You don't think he loved football?

[Joe Thomas]

I think it was pretty obvious that he enjoyed playing football as a kid's game. But when it came to doing the work, the preparation that it takes, you know, it's really hard, especially being a quarterback in the NFL, because you're putting a lot of time in on your own, getting yourself ready, not only for games, but practice and watching film and dedicating your body to the weight room. And look at what Tom Brady did. I mean, basically all he did when he was a player was take care of his body, study film and play football. And that's the commitment you have to make. And not everybody's willing to make that.

[Todd Fritz]

Well, you see a lot of quarterbacks, not a lot, but you see some that are. They've been so good, it's so easy for them in high school. And like Kyler Murray, I just think football was easy for him. And then you get to the pros where you really have to put in the time now. Johnny in high school, Johnny in college, and then all of a sudden you get to the pros and you just see some of these guys who. It was too easy for them. The hard part is when you, like, you feel like you've made it when you get to the NFL, but that's when it starts. Yeah, like, you. You didn't make it when you were drafted by the Browns. You had to then prove, you know, that you were worthy of that. That draft pick.

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah. And that's one of the reasons that when I was drafted in 2007, I wasn't super excited to go to the draft because it kind of made me upset that a lot of players thought that this was the end of the road. You know, this was my king moment. And now all the work is done, and I can just enjoy the work that I did before and the money that comes and the fame that comes. But for me, it was just like, hey, this is where I'm going to be starting my journey, and this is where the work begins. And I think no matter who you are, no matter how great you are in college and how great you become in the NFL, you do hit those oil slicks on your path to success. And you got to be willing to put in a different level of work and commitment to your craft than you did to be great and win the Heisman in college, didn't I?

[Todd Fritz]

I talked to you the day of the draft or after the draft. You were hunting, weren't you?

[Joe Thomas]

I was fishing out on Lake Michigan, out of Port Washington, Wisconsin, with the dad. Yeah, it was great. Hey, maybe there's some people from Port Washington not too far from here.

[Todd Fritz]

But why go fishing instead of go to the draft?

[Joe Thomas]

Well, Gil Brandt asked me to go to the draft, the hall of Fame scout from the Dallas Cowboys. And, you know, I'm a man of my word. I'm a guy that keeps his commitments or I try to. I did ghost you one time on the show back in, like, 2009. I'm sorry about that one still, by the way. But, you know, I had a date to fish with my dad, going back a long time on Saturday, and the NFL was just a little bit late to ask me to show up to the draft. I said, hey, sorry, I'm already planning to go fishing with my dad. And that sounds a lot more fun than putting on the suit and going to New York City.

[Todd Fritz]

What advice would you give these offensive linemen who were drafted?

[Joe Thomas]

I would say, just come in with your head down, be ready to work your eyes, open your mouth shut, listen and learn from those old guys, and try to build yourself a process to prepare for games. Because that was one of the things that was the most important in my career. I had Hank Fraley, who is our center now, turning into a great NFL coach. He was offensive line coach for the Detroit Lions. But I was able to get in there and some other veteran guys, and they showed me their process of how you watch film, how you take notes, how you prepare for practice, how you evaluate yourself, because the coaches are going to do a great job. But if you want to be great, if you want to be consistently great, you got to do it for yourself. And you got to have a system that you stick to, that you go through every single day for practice, and then every week, when you're getting ready.

[Todd Fritz]

For Sundays, well, you know, the Patriots were on the clock, and then they take the offensive lineman, Will Campbell, out of lsu, and, you know, it's not a sexy pick, but then you hear what he says, that he's going to. He'll die. I'm gonna protect my quarterback. That's when you go, yes.

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah.

[Todd Fritz]

You know, Mike Vrabel got his guy. Yeah. But then they talk about short arms. I mean, how. How long are your arms?

[Joe Thomas]

I don't know. Maybe somebody can look it up. But that was the knock on me coming out, short arms, draft, which I always thought was funny. I'm like, what. What makes my arms short? I guess I don't understand, like, if my middle finger is an inch longer. Because they measure from here to here, which is kind of a weird measurement. Like, I don't block people like this. Last time I checked. Usually I'm, like, going like this, and I'm blocking with my feet. My hands are just connecting me and my body to the opponent. And so, I mean, obviously, longer is better than shorter with your appendages. But, like, it really is not gonna. It's not. Well, here we go. We got. Apparently an aficionado. He knows the thing, but I don't know why they think that, like, a very, very minute difference is able to classify somebody as, yep, you can do it, and, nope, sorry, you can't do it. Because really, it's your feet. It's your technique, it's your balance, it's your mind and your ability to get into those biomechanical positions. It's the way you can bend your ankles, knees, and hips. Like, that's what determines success or failure. But I think sometimes, especially with the combine, we're very attached to these measuring systems that are very, very archaic. They're not very accurate at measuring exactly how long are your arms? Because I always thought, hey, wouldn't it be good, as if you put, like, a plate of glass between the guy's chest and you had them stick, like, their arms out like this with their palms? Because that's what you block people with. You don't block people like this. But the problem. And you certainly don't block them like this. Even wingspan is kind of misleading, because now you're measuring how long are their hands and their fingers, how Wide is their chest, which really. It's obsolete. It doesn't matter. But they always want a way to be able to compare the people that were there 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago, because they build these models of. All right, you know, this is the probability of success if they have this measurement and that measurement. So they don't want to change it, even though a lot of that stuff, really, it's just not applicable at all, even to the. The thing that they're trying to measure.

[Todd Fritz]

He's hall of Famer. Joe Thomas. How many sacks did you give up in your career?

[Joe Thomas]

I don't think I gave up any, actually. You know, the ones that they maybe credited for me were probably the quarterback's fault.

[Todd Fritz]

How many do you think you actually.

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah, I think it was probably around 20 or something like that. 26.

[Todd Fritz]

How many times did you hold?

[Joe Thomas]

Well, I never had.

[Todd Fritz]

No. How many times did you get called penalties?

[Joe Thomas]

I don't know. Maybe 30, 20, 10, 5. I don't know.

[Todd Fritz]

Joe is raising beef cattle. Yeah. And selling your hall of fame beef products.

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah. You know, you guys do this. Such a great show, and you're out here grinding away, and you don't get food, but there's nothing better than a beef stick for a snack.

[Todd Fritz]

He's got a knife. Security.

[Joe Thomas]

I figure you guys, you know, may get a little hungry today, and so I had a chance to offer you some of the great hall of fame beef from my family farm in Wisconsin.

[Todd Fritz]

It's Six Springs Farm.com for more information.

[Joe Thomas]

Be wary that this is exceptional stuff and you might not go back to the regular stuff if you're going back home. This is the stuff that my kids are literally fighting over when they come home from school, so I hope you enjoy it.

[Dan Patrick]

What a treat.

[Joe Thomas]

Stop. Farm to table.

[Todd Fritz]

Wow.

[Joe Thomas]

It's kind of a passion project.

[Dan Patrick]

See?

[Joe Thomas]

Hey, that was a good answer, by.

[Todd Fritz]

The way, but all right.

[Joe Thomas]

And I'll put the knife away before I get in trouble. Yeah.

[Todd Fritz]

What are you doing?

[Joe Thomas]

We're doing good things over here in Wisconsin, aren't we, guys? There we go. We still got a crowd here.

[Todd Fritz]

You wish you would have played for the backers.

[Joe Thomas]

You know, I grew up a huge Packer fan. I was 12 when they won the Super Bowl. Brett Favre and the Roy Butler and Reggie White. And so I carried that through college. And then you get drafted and until you really are just all in for another team. Playing for the Browns, obviously, Browns fan, I wanted us to win, but you still kind of hold that love for your team that you grew up in, because you remember all those feels that you had, you know, when they had those successes. And so early on in my career, I was always kind of saying, you know, I wasn't hoping they would trade for me, but I wasn't going to be mad if they did, because living in Wisconsin, obviously the weather is so nice as it is today, 40 and raining. I got my family here, get to play in Lambeau Field, which is the greatest stadium. It's the cathedral to football. But then as my. My career wore on, my kids were born in Cleveland. I really identified more as a Clevelander, as a Cleveland Brown. And so now living back in Wisconsin, kids are allowed to be Packer fans. I cheer for him if they're not playing the Browns. But, you know, I think it's interesting, as you work in the business, how kind of your allegiances just change a little bit.

[Todd Fritz]

But you didn't think about maybe one. Your final year, like J.J. watt, I think.

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah.

[Todd Fritz]

Talked about maybe one year playing for the.

[Joe Thomas]

But he didn't. So, you know, I get.

[Todd Fritz]

But he wanted to.

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah, but he wanted to. I mean, I wanted to. But, you know, I think when you kind of weigh the cost and the benefit of everything, in the end, you still want to be in, like, a great situation for you and how you fit into the team, and that's kind of like the most important thing. I think for me, my career ended probably before I wanted to because I had a bad knee, I tore my tricep. I was just kind of breaking down. But, you know, the little kid in me says, yeah, it wouldn't have been cool to put the green and gold helmet on. But I never also wanted to be the guy that's like, oh, he used to be good, but we're just kind of taping them together and rolling him out there to be nice to him. Right.

[Todd Fritz]

Did you ever score a touchdown?

[Joe Thomas]

I never did. I picked up a couple fumbles, and that's about it. Never got no. Never. Never in the ends of that. Well, I guess maybe close in my mind. It was Thursday Night Football in Cincinnati, and we fumbled into the end zone, and I jumped on the pile and I was like, this is my chance.

[Todd Fritz]

This is it.

[Joe Thomas]

You know. But I had a record going towards the end of my career of consecutive snaps over 10 and a half years. I never missed a play. And so if you go in as an eligible receiver, like on the goal line to try to throw you a pass and let's say there's a penalty or something like that, now you back up and it's third down and long and you want to be able to put that player back in as a tackle and take them away from being an eligible number. You can't do that without taking a timeout. So they never even put like a play into to placate me and make me think that I was going to be able to score touchdown. But I also had my hands taped like a boxer. I had cast on my thumbs and my fingers look like ninja Turtles. So I actually didn't even want to try to catch a ball because I it would be real bad like this.

[Todd Fritz]

He is Joe thomas and it's six springs farm.com that's right. And so this is direct to consumer.

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah, we sell on the website. You know, it's me and my family. My kids in 2018 said, hey dad, we want a pet cow. And I'm like, oh boy, this is going to take some work. And then I started thinking like, oh, but, but I can eat this pet. I can't do that with the other ones. And so I'm like, you know what, what I learned as a pro athlete as how you take care of your body and how the fuel that you put in it, it gives you the fuel that you put out and you know, how your body is determined and how you feel. And I was like, well, you know, I love eating beef, so I want to see if I can raise the best beef on planet earth regardless of price. You know, NFL salary was good so I don't have to worry about pitching pennies on raising, raising the beef cattle. And we just kind of stumbled into something and it all started with getting five cows for the kids.

[Todd Fritz]

That's great. If you would like to see Joe's meet, you can go to.

[Joe Thomas]

It's available every night.

[Todd Fritz]

6 Spring Farms.com Good to see you. Thanks.

[Joe Thomas]

I appreciate it guys.

[Todd Fritz]

Play of the day up next, be sure to catch the live edition of.

[Dan Patrick]

The Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio.

[Todd Fritz]

In the iHeartRadio app.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Joe Thomas]

40S and free agents Podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL Draft.

[Dan Patrick]

We've told you what last year's playoff teams need to return to the postseason.

[Joe Thomas]

And how teams with new coaches should approach the draft.

[Dan Patrick]

So as draft season comes to a close, we've got you covered. Before your favorite team goes on the clock, we'll break it all down once all 257 picks have been made.

[Joe Thomas]

Listen to the 40s and free agents.

[Dan Patrick]

Podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts.

[Joe Thomas]

Or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Todd Fritz]

On November 5, 2018 at 6:33am, a red Volkswagen Golf was found abandoned in a ditch out in Sleep Hole Valley. The driver's seat door was open. No traces of footsteps leaving the vehicle. No belongings were found except for a cassette tape lodged in the player. On that tape were ten Vile no.

[Dan Patrick]

No no no no no no no.

[Todd Fritz]

Grotesque.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh my God. Oh my God.

[Todd Fritz]

Horrific stories that to this day have been kept restricted from the public until now. You feeling this too? A Horror Anthology Podcast. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm Israel Gutierrez and I'm hosting a new podcast, Dub Dynasty the story of how the Golden State warriors have dominated the NBA for over a decade.

[Todd Fritz]

The Golden State warriors once again are NBA champions.

[Dan Patrick]

From the building of the corps that included Klay Thompson and Draymond Green to one of the boldest coaching decisions in the history of the sport, I just.

[Joe Thomas]

Felt like the biggest thing was to.

[Todd Fritz]

Earn the trust of the players and let the players know that we were.

[Dan Patrick]

Here to try to help them take.

[Todd Fritz]

The next step, not tear anything down.

[Dan Patrick]

Today the warriors dynasty remains alive in large part because of a scrawny 6 foot 2 hooper who everyone seems to love.

[Todd Fritz]

For what Steph has done for the game. He's certainly on that like Mount Rushmore for guys that have changed it.

[Dan Patrick]

Come revisit this magical warriors ride. This is Dub Dynasty.

[Joe Thomas]

The Dubs Dynasty is still very much alive.

[Dan Patrick]

Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. My name is Brendan Patrick Hughes, host of Divine Intervention. This is a story about radical nuns in combat boots and wild haired priests trading blows with J. Edgar Hoover in a hell bent effort to sabotage a war. J. Edgar Hoover was furious.

[Joe Thomas]

Somebody violated the FBI and he wanted.

[Dan Patrick]

To bring the Catholic left to its knees. The FBI went around to all their neighbors and said to them, do you think these People are good Americans. It's got heists, tragedy, a trial of the century, and the God damnedest love story you've ever heard.

[Todd Fritz]

I picked up the phone and my.

[Dan Patrick]

Thought was, this is the most important phone call I'll ever make in my life. I couldn't believe it. I mean, Brendan, it was divine intervention. Listen to divine intervention on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Oh, my God.

[Todd Fritz]

The play of the day. This is the play of the day. Check this out. Brunson just across the timeline. 63 seconds to play, 10 to shoot. Attack. Schroeder, left side in the lane. Scoop shot is good. Back to back buckets for Jalen Brunson, who takes a stare down at the Pistons bench. JB Bickerstaff calls timeout. It's a 1:12, 105 lead with 59 seconds to go. Knicks take a 2:1 series lead against the Pistons. That's courtesy of the Knicks radio network. That's your play of the day, brought to you by the great folks at Mako. Most cars on the road could use a little tlc. Mako brings your car back to life. Affordable paint jobs like collision repairs. Get a free estimate today. And remember. Oh, better get Mako. Paul in Iowa. Hi, Paul. What's on your mind today? Hey, Dan. Well, go pack.

[Dan Patrick]

Go.

[Todd Fritz]

All Packer fans are waking up golden this morning. That's Matthew Golden. Ponyboy. Finally a first round receiver. It's amazing, but I have a reminder and a question for you first. The reminder. Before all the reaction and overreaction today, just remember, in 2012, the Seahawks were given an F grade by Bleacher Report for drafting Bruce Urban, Bobby Wagner and Russell Wilson with their first three picks. And if you don't know who won the super bowl that year, you should ask somebody there. Paul, what do we.

[Dan Patrick]

Heck yeah, get in there, lad. Go ahead.

[Todd Fritz]

Slow down.

[Dan Patrick]

Tell him.

[Todd Fritz]

Let's go. Tell them.

[Dan Patrick]

Let's go.

[Todd Fritz]

Yeah, Go pack. Go now. Go away, Paul. Hey. What?

[Dan Patrick]

That's honest.

[Todd Fritz]

I thought he was a little aggressive there, Seaton.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, maybe. Maybe that might have been just energy, enthusiasm. He's on air. He's ready.

[Todd Fritz]

Anyway, Dan in Salt Lake. Hi, Dan. Good morning, gentlemen. Two questions and.

[Joe Thomas]

And a couple shout outs. First of all, I do believe that Shador going second round is going to.

[Todd Fritz]

Be better for me in the long run.

[Joe Thomas]

I would like your opinion. I would like Fritz's opinion on the Denver draft. Shout out to my kids, who both made me grandparents within three weeks, which was crazy. Because I had to travel to Texas both times and how to shout out to Hunter Andrews who's going to be the next Gronkowski from the University of Utah.

[Todd Fritz]

Thank you, Dan. Thank you. And congratulations on your grandkids there. Chris in Florida. Hi, Chris. What's on your mind today? Hey, Dan, I'm a Browns fan and I wanted to get your thought on this because what I really didn't like, I've been thinking about Shador Sanders a lot. What I really didn't like was his comment last night. His comment where he said, I believe it was under no circumstances should this have happened. And my thought was, and granted, I'm a 49 year old guy, you know, been around the block and he's less than half my age. And you know, and I get that, but it just tells me he has no awareness of why he fell. And I find that to be a big, a big concern with that comment. Wanted to get your thoughts on it. Well, he's got confidence. I mean that's, that's really what he's always had. That's been front and center. Thanks for the phone call. And you know, when I heard this anonymous GM or scout or whoever it was who said he didn't interview well, it goes back to, you know, your interpretation of something because somebody can come off as a jerk or somebody can come off as. I love that he had confidence. I mean that's, that's the difference with this. Do I think Shador seems entitled? Sure. Do I think that he's been treated as a star most of his life? Yes. And if you don't like that, then you don't draft him, plain and simple. If you don't think that kind of personality and you know, and once again, I don't want to speculate on this. I try to give you information from people who do this for a living and I don't have any information on him, you know, with an interview or being cocky. All I can go on is, you know, what was reported. But I only went with what my source said yesterday late in the show and that is he didn't have a first round grade. Now, he didn't say his attitude. He just said as a quarterback, I don't have a first round grade on him. That's all I can go on. Paul in Vegas. Hi, Paul. What's on your mind? Hi, Dan. Thanks for taking my call. The Browns ability to draft is definitely something that looms very large over this conversation. And point well taken. But I think if you looked at it from the standpoint of would you have the Browns take a wide receiver at the second pick who's only going to be available 60% of the time, or a DB that was only available 40% of the time at number two versus that draft call and being able to get a starter immediately on defense, you would take that trade in a heartbeat because the greatest ability is availability. And I think you know Travis's potential for even being exposed to more injury is going to make that pick taking him even more risky. I just think that you have somebody we've never seen before, and if you're the Cleveland Browns, you need help on both sides of the ball. If I said you're going to draft somebody who's going to help you on both sides of the ball, now might not be every play, but you know you're getting an impact player who's going to help you. I can't pass that up. And you're right, you're not going to trade up number two to get a wide receiver or a defensive back. But would I trade up to get both of them? I would. Rick Neuheisel will join us. Former college coach and Lewis Riddick from the Mothership will stop by as well. One hour in the books. Two more to go on this Meet Friday Dan Patrick Show Spam calls sound familiar?

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