Hour 2 – Building CFP Powerhouses, Ross Tucker

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show — Hour 2: Building CFP Powerhouses, Ross Tucker

Date: September 17, 2025
Podcast: The Dan Patrick Show — iHeartPodcasts & Dan Patrick Podcast Network
Episode Description: Dan Patrick discusses college football’s changing landscape, the Heisman race, coaching dilemmas, NFL insights, and talks with guest analyst Ross Tucker on key NFL and college football questions.

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Episode Overview

Hour 2 of The Dan Patrick Show dives into the evolving strategies for building top-tier college football programs in the College Football Playoff era, the state of the Heisman Trophy race, and NFL team dynamics. Dan and his “Danettes” field calls from listeners on college QB trends, coaching futures, and more. The centerpiece guest, CBS/Westwood One analyst Ross Tucker, joins to give candid opinions on Caleb Williams’ outlook, the Miami Dolphins' coach’s hot seat, the “tush push” controversy, and other pressing NFL topics, bringing both humor and sharp analysis.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The New Blueprint for Building CFP Powerhouses

• Transfer Portal Ascendancy:

  • Dan highlights how successful teams are leveraging the transfer portal and aggressive roster-building rather than only chasing five-star recruits.
    • "It's not about landing the five-star recruit anymore. It's about building out your roster, being aggressive in the transfer portal, and grabbing proven talent." (06:45)
  • Examples: Miami's Cam Ward/Carson Beck, Oklahoma's John Matier, and Florida State's Thomas Castellanos.

• Heisman Trophy Race:

  • Wide open field, with no clear runaway favorite.
  • Current frontrunners: John Matier (Oklahoma), Carson Beck (Miami), Dante Moore (Oregon), Garrett Nussmeier.
  • Arch Manning (Texas) is a long-shot (+3500).
  • Dan expects a single “standalone” performance will soon tilt the race.

• Caller Insight:

  • Utah fan Michael (08:07) points out their transfer QB Devin Dampier and OC Jason Beck as an example of the OC/QB tandem transfer trend.

• Dan’s Take on Adaptation:

  • College and NFL teams now build around player strengths, not rigid philosophies.
    • "If you have somebody who does something really well, I don't want you to come in and go, we don't want you to run the ball... No, you have to embrace that talent" (10:11)

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2. Coaching Dynamics and Job Security

• Coaching Dilemmas After Early Losses:

  • Owners hesitate to fire a coach mid-season due to optics, especially if the team improves late ("win their way back").
  • Example: Knicks’ Tom Thibodeau nearly fired before improbably deep postseason run (03:56).

• Listener Questions:

  • Curtis (Illinois) asks about the implausibility of “trading” coaches, for example Dabo Swinney for Alabama’s Kalen DeBoer (13:49). Dan dismisses the idea but discusses Dabo's resistance to the transfer portal, likening it to Coach K's initial reluctance for “one-and-dones” at Duke.

• Ross Tucker’s Commentary:

  • "Who was Clemson before you [Dabo]? They weren't national championship contenders until Dabo got there and Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence decided to come along." (15:24)

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3. NFL Hot Takes & Analysis with Ross Tucker

Start of Segment: [24:59]

• Caleb Williams & Chicago Bears:

  • Patrick confronts Tucker about his spring quote doubting Williams is Chicago’s long-term answer.
  • Tucker's Concerns:
    • Williams’ high sack count in college (“guys don’t usually fix that”).
    • Off-field and in-game decision-making, e.g., Thanksgiving vs. Lions clock management and the much-publicized family drama about wanting out of Chicago.
    • Williams not immediately addressing media post-drama: "Just address it so it goes away... there's kind of a pattern there of questionable decision making." (27:45)
  • Williams’ “DNA” for adjusting to NFL concerns Tucker.

• Dolphins at Bills: Coach’s Hot Seat

  • Dolphins are 12.5-point underdogs.
  • Tucker explains a big prime-time loss could spell the end for Mike McDaniel (“prime-time games count like 5x in the court of public opinion” - 29:17).
  • Dolphins tried to tighten “freedom” in their culture, but players aren’t buying sudden changes.
    • "It's really hard to do in life... if you're gonna change, then you're not really being who you are. It's almost like you can't win either way at that point." (29:53)

• Coaching Styles—What Do Players Really Want?

  • "Most people in society have a tendency to drift towards wanting the easier path...what you need to try to do is have as many guys on your team as possible that won't accept that.” (31:31)
  • Coaches try to draft players who can take hard coaching and criticism.

• Browns QB Situation:

  • Dan asks which QB switch will happen first: Browns or Giants.
  • Tucker bets on the Giants (going from Wilson to rookie Dart), Browns likely want a win before benching Joe Flacco for Dylan Gabriel or Shador Sanders (34:17).

• Front Office Motives?

  • Dan: Do Browns management actually want to win?
  • Tucker: "Yes...but all it takes is the owner to change his mind.” (36:16)
    GM Barry, Stefanski focusing on rookie class and future assets, but owner patience is key.

• Tush Push Controversy:

  • Brought up after officiating issues in the week’s Eagles game.
  • Officials missing false starts by Eagles’ guards—“should have” been flagged, but weren't (37:25).
  • NFL unhappy with play, likely gone after this season.
    • "This is probably the last year for it...Eagles kind of won the battle but lost the war." (37:56)
    • Yet, Eagles will still run QB sneak successfully without the push.
  • Dan: If only the Eagles can do it, maybe it should be seen as a strength, not a play to be banned (38:56).

• Player Anecdotes—Blood on the Field & Spitting Incidents:

  • Josh Allen’s broken nose discussed; Ross never broke nose in NFL due to facemask design (41:20).
  • Ross: Spit on twice in 2004, once so badly he called for a return to the field for retribution (42:26).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Dan Patrick’s Take on Heisman Voting:

  • "Who's the best player? That's what the Heisman goes to. And then we found out it didn't necessarily go to the best player, or at least if you're a freshman..." (11:16)

• Ross Tucker's Meta Observation:

  • "Primetime games count like 5x in the court of public opinion." (29:17)

• Ross on Coaching Styles:

  • "Football players are just like most people out there. A lot of football players, they'd rather have a shorter practice, they'd rather not have pads on...drift toward the easier path.” (31:31)

• On the Tush Push:

  • "The impressive thing isn’t that nobody can stop it, it’s that nobody can replicate it. Isn’t that, like, shouldn't that be a credit to the Eagles?" (38:29)

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Key Timestamps

• [06:45] – Dan explains new college football program-building strategies and Heisman landscape
• [08:07] – Utah fan Michael discusses OC/QB portal transfers
• [11:08] – Ross asks about Heisman as a “career achievement” award
• [13:49] – Call about Clemson coach Dabo Swinney and “coach trades”
• [15:24] – Ross credits Dabo Swinney’s transformation of Clemson
• [24:59] – Ross Tucker interview begins; Caleb Williams skepticism
• [29:17] – Tucker on the Dolphins’ prime-time game pressure & coach’s job security
• [31:31] – Discussion on coaching styles players prefer and self-motivation
• [34:17] – QB change debate: Browns vs. Giants
• [37:25] – Tush push/quarterback sneak officiating controversy
• [41:20] – Josh Allen’s bloody nose; Ross stories of playing through spit
• [43:29] – Dan & Ross wrap up; applause for Ross’s colorful career anecdotes

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Tone & Style

Dan Patrick brings his signature mix of wit, deep sports knowledge, and casual banter. Guest Ross Tucker is frank, insightful, and anecdotes-driven, sharing both technical analysis and hilarious war stories. The show balances hard sports analysis with humor, relatable stories, and a conversational flow that welcomes callers as part of the sports community.

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Conclusion

Hour 2 captures the shifting landscape of college football team-building, the nuances behind the Heisman Trophy, and the complexity of NFL coaching and player management. Ross Tucker’s guest segment provides insider NFL perspective, particularly on high-profile players, coaching hot seats, and controversial strategies like the “tush push.” The episode is rich in perspective and wry humor, delivering both engaging storytelling and sharp football analysis for fans and casual listeners alike.

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The best pickleball shoes purpose built for pickleball. You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio, hour two on this Wednesday, Dan and the Dan Edge Dan Patrick show, fully equipped with Fritzi Seaton, Marv Poly, yours truly, and the back room guys as well. Ross Tucker, our good buddy, will join us. Coming up in a little bit here. Ross was asked this question, I believe this was back in May. And Ross Tucker was asked if he thought Caleb Williams was going to be the Bears starting quarterback in three years. And Ross Tucker said, I'd probably bet no based on what I've seen so far. All right, after two weeks, you still feel that way. We'll talk to Ross Tucker. He'll join us. Coming up, Ross has the Dolphins in the Bills tomorrow night. Boy, if the Dolphins get blown out, they're 12 and a half point underdogs in Buffalo. I don't know. You know, a lot of these owners were, they're, they're like, I don't want to fire a coach, somebody I'm paying. But then you don't want to keep a coach on that you're going to fire because you don't want him to win his way back. Where all of a sudden you end the season with four wins and somebody's saying, well, why are you firing him? You make up your mind. And this happened when? When did this happen? Where somebody went into oh with the Knicks that Thibodeau, you know, from what I was told, I think all indications were he was going to be fired because nobody expected the Knicks to do anything in the postseason. But then you had injuries to other teams and they of course go to the Eastern Conference finals and then we go, wait, how could you fire him? Well, they didn't do a good job with it because they didn't have somebody ready. You know, they bring in Mike Brown. That's uninspiring. Don Staley would have been interesting, but she, I think talked her way out of that. She even said, are you guys ready for this? You hire a, you know, a female coach to coach in the NBA. And I think they probably said, no, we're probably not ready for that. Merchandise store is open for business and it's stock with fresh new gear. DanPatrick.com Stat of the Day is always brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick show from the crew that brought you the office brings you the comedy of underdogs with major issues. The paper streaming only on Peacock, which is where you'll find this show. That's our streaming partner. The idea is far from a finished product, but after looking at the past three Heisman winners, Travis Hunter, Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams, and comparing that to teams thriving this season, maybe we're seeing a new blueprint because it's not about landing the five star recruit anymore. It's about building out your roster, being aggressive in the transfer portal and then grabbing some proven talent. Look at Miami. Last year they brought in Cam Ward. This year they got Carson back, Oklahoma, John Mattier transfer portal to Heisman front runner Tallahassee Thomas Castellanos. He trash talking Alabama in the off season and then backed it up. Florida State's back in the top 25. So developing your player, maybe you do bring in some some transfer portal, but this is about also recruiting as well and you start to look at the Heisman favorites. I don't know if there is a favorite. I mean John Matier at Oklahoma look good against Michigan and by all accounts appears to be the front runner, at least according to DraftKings. But it's pretty, it's tightly bunched in there. I was curious about Arch Manning. Arch Manning is plus 3500. He's not in the picture. John Matier is plus 800. Carson Beck plus 900. Dante Moore transferred from UCLA to go to Oregon. He's at plus 1200. Garrett Nussmeier so you got you know some players there that you might know, but it feels like this is wide open. Somebody's going to have a standalone game where they break out and all of a sudden we're going to go, that guy. That's the guy. 877-3-DP show email address [e-mail] Twitter handle @DP Show Michael in Salt Lake leads us off this hour. Hi, Mike. What's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Hey, Dan called you a couple weeks ago about getting married and went well, went really good. Now I'm married and mother in law didn't cause any fuss, so we're all in good shape.

[Dan Patrick]

Now explain to the audience about your mother in law because I said this is when you get married, you're a guy, it's about your wife and your wife's mother. And you were like, my mother in law. And I said, yeah, you got to play nice with your mother in law, particularly at the wedding. So no issue with your mother in law?

[Caller]

No, she's a great lady, you know, just planning a wedding. If you've ever planned a wedding, you know that the mother in law and the wife, you know, they always want to, they always got an input on everything, of course, because it's their day, like you said.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I'm glad that it went, it went smoothly, no incident there and many, many happy years for you and your wife.

[Caller]

Hey, Dan, I got a question or I got a comment about the Heisman conversation.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Caller]

So I'm a big University of Utah fan and Utah brought in a transfer quarterback from New Mexico, Devin Dampier. They brought in the OC, Jason Beck as well. He's a man, he's a, he's something hot. He's, he can run the ball. He can throw the ball. And I think this trend of OC quarterback transfer, bringing him into a school like John McTier in Oklahoma did, I think it's something, I think it's something, a trend that's gonna, we're gonna see in college football. But Devin Dampier, he's got a standalone game this Saturday, 10 o', clock, Texas Tech. He's gonna be a, he's gonna be a.

[Dan Patrick]

We'll see. We'll see, we'll see. It's early. It's early, but I, I agree, it used to be back in the old days when you went to a university, Troy Aikman famously went to Oklahoma because he believed Barry Switzer was going to throw the ball. Barry ran the ball. So Troy gets there and all of a sudden they're like, yeah, we're not throwing the ball. And then he ends up transferring to ucla. You know, you, you get players to fit your program. And even in the NFL, it used to be you're drafting players to fit with the philosophy of the head coach. That's changed. Certainly in the NFL, if they draft somebody, they're drafting you, certainly in a quarterbacking position. Hey, this is. We're going to adopt your style. They did this in Carolina with Cam Newton, and it was wise to do that. If you have somebody who does something really well, I don't want you to come in and go, we don't want you to run the ball. Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen. No, you have to embrace that talent. You don't want to go, hey, we're not doing any of that stuff you did in college. And I think that's really important for some of these head coaches, that I want to play to your strengths instead of asking you to kind of adapt to our system. And you're seeing that in college now you're bringing in somebody, bringing in an offensive coordinator, go along with that quarterback, and you're able to kind of adapt to their style. What makes you great. Let's, let's try to take advantage of that. Yes, Marvin.

[Ross Tucker]

So, going back to your Heisman conversation in the 80s, was it a career achievement award?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, they weren't giving it out to a freshman or a sophomore, so it was more of a junior, certainly a senior award. You had that I, I, you know, fought hard. Well, I nearly got into a fight with Craig Sager over Adrian Peterson because I said, I, that guy's the best, best player in college football. And I remember Craig Sager was like, they're not going to give it to a freshman. I said, they should if he's the best player. When Marshall Falk at Fresno, San Diego State dominated, and it might have been a game against Fresno State, I remember watching that game with other NFL people, and I said that he's the best player in college football. Well, you don't want to give it to a freshman. I'm like, why not? Well, because he's got three, at least three years to earn it. I go, no, no, no, no. You don't do it that way. Who's the best player? That's what the Heisman goes to. And then we found out it didn't necessarily go to the best player, or at least if you're a freshman or. So Herschel Walker was the best player in college football, won a national title. Oh, you can't give it to him. He'll get another chance. Like, you can't do it. It's like. Yeah, you know, when you have young actors like Haley Joel, Osment should have won the Academy Award. He was. I don't know if I can say he was the Herschel Walker of actors. That old comparison, the Sixth Sense. He was spectacular, and you can't, you know. So if you say, oh, he'll get his chance. No, he's not getting his chance. He had his chance. He gave you a performance of a lifetime. Yeah, but he's young. So what? Ageist. Yes.

[Caller]

Paulie, I went and looked at the November schedule, and it really sets up for Mater of Oklahoma either winning it or losing it. His last five games at Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Alabama, Missouri, LSU. Yeah, those are all top 20 teams. If he runs that slate, it's his.

[Dan Patrick]

And it used to be that, you know, if you were in Nebraska or Oklahoma, you might yet face each other, but you might have one other tough game, you know, because the Big Eight back then, if, you know, it was really top heavy, you know, now you're. If you're running through the sec, literally, you're going to stand out. And, you know, that happened with Cam, it happened with Johnny Manziel. If you're doing it in the sec, you got a big head start on everybody else. Curtis in Illinois. Hi, Curtis. What's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Morning, DP Just following up on that. Dabo Sweeney and Clemson, if they're not really happy with him, could you see the possibility of, say, at the end of the year? They have an average season and they're just kind of sick of it. And, you know, obviously Kalin isn't ever going to hold up to Saban in Alabama. So what do you say at the end of the year, they just trade coaches?

[Dan Patrick]

There's a lot of buyouts there, and I. Once again, it's not my money, but I don't know if you're trading coaches. We're going to give you Dabo for Kalin, but we want, you know, we got to get a couple of wide receivers here, okay? I don't think that'll happen. I mean, Clemson would be crazy to move on from Dabo Sweeney. And I know it's. What have you done for us lately? I think what hurt him was the philosophy of we don't take transfers. Everybody else was taking transfers. It's almost like when Mike Krzyzewski, you know, we don't take one and Doners. And then all of a sudden it's like, Coach K is going to take one in Dunners because everybody else was. Dabo is kind of holding firm that he did have some transfer portal guys, but his philosophy is if we recruit well, we do bring in a couple of transfers, then you know we're going to be competing for a conference championship and will be in the playoffs.

[Ross Tucker]

Yes, Marvin, I feel like Dabo Sweeney.

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Who was Clemson before you? They were a team. They were a program that they really.

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Wanted to be good and they'd have a couple of good seasons. But they weren't national championship contenders until Dabo got there and desean Watson and Trevor Lawrence decided to come along.

[Dan Patrick]

Tom in North Carolina Good morning, Tom. What's on your mind?

[Caller]

Adp? I don't totally disagree with your statement of overreacting to early losses, but I'm going to use the MLB analogy and an NFL question to somewhat contradict that statement.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Caller]

As of April 15th of this year that the MLB season, Pittsburgh, Colorado and Atlanta were all last in a division less than 20 days in the season. And now all of those teams are eliminated from the playoffs. So my NFL question is if you were a betting man, would you put Todd's salary on the line for such teams as the Bears, Carolina, Miami or the jets to make the playoffs?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, you only have 17 games in baseball. You have plenty of time to make up ground you have so you could lose four games in your first six and you're not going to make the playoffs. I mean we're talking about Kansas City Chiefs right now at 0 and 2. I still think the Bears are a playoff caliber team, but I thought that last year as well. I thought that they were on the doorstep just like the Lions were a few years ago when I said that's the breakout team. They almost made the playoffs that year and then we saw what they were after that. Now maybe I'm totally off on the Bears and the talent they have and Caleb Williams. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I got to give him a little more time. Did I think the jets were going to make it to start the year? No. But I didn't think the Pirates gonna make the playoffs. Colorado was going to make the playoffs. I don't think the Browns are making the playoffs. I mean we already know Carolina's not making the playoffs. We already know this. But can you give us a glimpse of Carolina's got a better chance than Pitts, the Pittsburgh Pirates do, or the Cleveland Browns do? Because all you need to do is you get to nine Wins maybe, maybe you get in as a wild card team, but you're only, you got seven, you know, so it's 17 games. You can get it. Pirates can get a hot stretch. It doesn't matter. Colorado get a hot, it doesn't matter. Because you're looking at the consistency of a team over the course of an entire 162 games. That's really, it's easy to decide when a team is not that good. You don't have to wait until August or September. With the NFL, there's always a couple of teams where you go, boy, they're, they're a lot better than you think. And then next thing you know, the Atlanta Falcons make a run. Happens every year. Somebody's going to do that with big surprises. I don't know if I answered your question, Tom, but it was a long winded way of saying I don't know. Coach in Fort. What? Coach in Fort Wayne. Hi, Coach.

[Caller]

Hey, Dan, thanks for taking my call. 6 foot 2, 220 pounds. I've got a correction to your Troy Aikman antidote there. I was actually at Oklahoma and Barry Switzer recruited Troy and told Troy he would change the offense for him and went ahead and tried to put in a throwing offense. But the second game of Troy's career, I think it was the second game and I believe it was the University of Miami. Troy broke his leg.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Caller]

And Jamal Holloway came in, they switched back to the wishbone and that was all she wrote for Troy. Barry called up his buddy over there in UCLA and Troy went on to greatness.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, well, thank you, Coach. Coach have broke his leg. Well, they were running the football, I think with Troy. I don't know if they totally turned it over to an Air Coryell offense there, but they didn't wait around for Troy to come back because Jamel Holloway, he could run, he could run the, the wishbone there. The option. They always. Thomas Lott, he was a guy I love. Thomas Lott wore a bandana under his helmet. Might, might have been the first player I remember doing that. Jack Mildren. I go back in the 70s with Jack Mildred. Do it. Pruitt. Greg Pruitt. I was an Oklahoma fan. I love their offense. Who was the UCLA head coach?

[Caller]

Donahue.

[Dan Patrick]

Terry Donahue. Think. Yes, I, I, I can see him. I think it was Coach, I think it was Coach Donnie that Troy went to ucla. All right, let me take a break. Ross Tucker, our good buddy, will join us. More phone calls as well. We're back after this. Dan Patrick show. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

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[Dan Patrick]

Tucker Our good buddy. He'll be busy this week. He's busy every week. He'll be in the radio booth tomorrow night, Dolphins in the Bills, and then for CBS TV on Sunday, the Colts and the Titans. He called the Browns and Ravens last Sunday. Before I get to all of that, I'm going back to an article where you were quoted, this is May of 2025, where you have concerns about Caleb Williams. And then you were asked if you thought Caleb Williams would be in Chicago for the long haul and you said, no, you still stand firm on your Caleb Williams take?

[Ross Tucker]

Yeah, I guess I would say I still have some significant concerns as it relates to Caleb Williams. And part of that are the things I had seen. Part of that are the things I had heard, you know, interestingly, since that radio interview, Tyler Dunn came out with an article where he spoke to a lot of people that spoke to some of the things that went on in Chicago last year that I had heard from people. So that was partially informed. But, you know, to me, Dan, it came down to a few things with Caleb Williams, right? Number one, he got sacked a lot at usc. Got sacked a lot last year. Guys don't usually fix that, you know, I mean, they can get better at it. But if you're on a scale 1 to 10, if, you know, 10 being you're the best at not taking sacks, if he, if you're a 1 or a 2 or maybe a 3, you can get to 5 or 6. But those guys don't get to 8, 9, 10, right? They're not that kind of. They don't have that kind of DNA. So that was a big part of it. But then even consistent decision making issues, I would say, right? So the way he handled the end of the game against the Lions on Thanksgiving, when the Bears were doing the right thing, call play, run the play, then you use the timeout. He audibled. Didn't realize why they were doing what they were doing. And then we ran out of time and everybody blamed Eber Flutes and Iberfluz, knew he couldn't throw Caleb Williams, number one pick under the bus. And then even just like this stuff with he and his dad talking with Seth Wickersham and telling him how they, you know, they tried to get out of there in Chicago, they didn't want to be there. I just would say, Dan, there's a lot of examples, even off the field of questionable decision making. And when you stack all of them on top of each other, it starts to become concerning. The way I look at it is, okay, who are the other guys that are top 10 NFL quarterbacks who have some issues with in game management, have some off the field issues with decision making, whether it's their dad or them or whatever. Take that many sacks. I just, you started to stack some things, you know, and then that article comes out. By the way, this is why I got asked that, Dan, in May, the article comes out, it's the start of the Bears off season program. And he doesn't, he doesn't talk to the media. It's like the first thing you have to do after an article like that comes out is just address it so it goes away because nobody's going to keep talking about it until you say something about it. So there's just kind of a pattern there of what I would phrase questionable decision making.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, let's turn our attention to tomorrow night. And you got the dolphins, 12 and a half point underdogs, divisional rivalry game in Buffalo. I not like this game. I expect Buffalo to win. It's the next like three or four games. I think they have the jets, they have the Panthers, they have the Browns, and they have the Chargers. Like those are. Three of those games are winnable games. If they lose to Buffalo, okay. But if you lose two of three to those, you know, subpar teams, that's when you might see a move there with Mike McDaniel as the head coach. Your thoughts?

[Ross Tucker]

I think that's probably accurate. You know, there are some people speculating that because it's a Thursday night game, it's a prime time game. You know, Dan, I always say that primetime games count like 5x in the court of public opinion, you know, so if it's a primetime game, everybody's watching all at the same time. If they look really bad on Thursday night, if they get blown out, then it's almost like they got a lot of time before that next game. It's almost like a mini buy. You have the whole weekend for the owner to just think about it and simmer over it. I think there is the possibility if it's that bad on Thursday night, that they would move on from McDaniel. I think it's more likely that they would give him the next few games. But then that's always an interesting one too, because if the owner's already made up his mind, does he want to give him the chance to win those next couple games? The problem is, I see it for the Dolphins is they kind of tried to put the toothpaste back in the tube a little bit. I mean, everybody knows that the players, I guess the nicest Way to phrase it would say that the players had a lot of freedom or have a lot of freedom down there and with the culture. And so they tried to pull back on that a little bit and make it a little bit more restrictive. I think that's really hard to do in life, right? Like, because these players know what you've been like the last couple years, now all of a sudden you're gonna change. So it's like, okay, so first of all, we don't really buy it. We don't really buy you're gonna change. And secondly, if you're gonna change, then you're not really being who you are. You're not really being authentic. It's almost like you can't win either way at that point.

[Dan Patrick]

But do players want to be coached by, you know, the, A Dan Campbell or, you know, because I, I'll hear, oh, he's a players coach, players manager, and then, oh, you know, like Terry Francona was the perfect manager in Boston until he wasn't the perfect manager. Oh, they're taking advantage of me. He's too nice of a guy. You know, he's a player's manager. That's why they're winning. Come on, make up your mind. What, what would the players want to be coached like Belichick or Coach by Mike McDaniel?

[Ross Tucker]

That, that is such an awesome question that people don't ask enough. And part of it is why when they're doing the pre draft process, they try to find the guys that want to be coached hard, can take criticism and also are self motivated, disciplined. Because you know what, the truth is, Dan, I played for five teams. You know that, you know, football players are just like most people out there. A lot of football players, they'd rather have a shorter practice, they'd rather not have pads on, they'd rather not have the discipline or like everybody. I think most people in society have a tendency to drift towards wanting the easier path, the easy way out. What you need to try to do is have as many guys on your team as possible that won't accept that. But I think that's the natural default for a lot of guys and I think the Dolphins have certainly fallen into that.

[Dan Patrick]

Ross Tucker, CBS Sports, Westwood One. He'll be on the call tomorrow night. Westwood One radio. Dolphins, Bills and then Colts and the Titans coming up this weekend. You also had the Browns and the Ravens. You yelled at Joe Flacco on the broadcast with the Browns, Ravens.

[Ross Tucker]

I wouldn't say I yelled at him. I just said, by the way, I Love Joe Flacco. Philly guy has a house at the Jersey Shore right near me. And what I love about Joe is, I think everything I said, he would say the exact same thing. I mean, he told us before the game that his harshest critics are his kids. And his 12 year old said, the Browns are picking you to start, which I thought was amazing. But listen, you know, if you have a guy like Flacco starting you, you cannot make that decision in that throw. It was a 133 game, you know, that's. That's the way the Browns have to win. They have to be ugly, lower scoring games. And it was a surprisingly poor decision. It was a really bad throw. It totally changed the game at that point, and the game got away from them. And what I love about Flacco is if you guys got him on the show or if he ends up being a color commentator, he would say, he'd say, that's a terrible job by me. You can't do that. You. His brothers would tell him that. He knows. I mean, it was just, you know, he was getting frustrated. They. They weren't moving the ball that well. They weren't scoring. He got greedy and he made a really poor choice. It happens.

[Dan Patrick]

If I said quarterback change with the Browns or the Giants, which one would happen first?

[Ross Tucker]

That's a good question. I will say the Giants, because I think the Giants, you know, they took Jackson Dart in the first round and I think that they have more hope that they can have success with Jackson Dart. I think the Browns probably want to win a game first before they go to Dylan Gabriel. Now, he looked good on that drive, but I think deep down, you know, in places people don't like to admit it, if the Browns switched to Dylan Gabriel or Shador Sanders, I think that there'd be some concern, like, what if we don't win a game? You know, I mean, what. Like what if we don't win a game? I think get one. One win on the, on the ledger. Whereas the Giants, I think, probably feel like, you know, doubts maybe just as good as Russell Wilson or give them just give a chance to win a game right now anyway.

[Dan Patrick]

Do you think the Browns want to win?

[Ross Tucker]

I do think the Browns want to win.

[Dan Patrick]

Management management, not players management.

[Ross Tucker]

Good question. Yes. I think, you know, it's interesting. Jimmy Haslam at one point said, three and 14 is not good enough. And so what's fascinating about that is, you know, I don't think he has delusions of grandeur. I mean, you talk to people in Cleveland and They know if everything goes well, they win seven games, right? But I think that they, I think they don't want to make their fans suffer through another season that's that bad. Which makes the whole dynamic of when they bench Flacco and put in Dylan Gabriel or Shador very, very interesting because I think the GM Andrew Barry and the head coach, Kevin Stefanski are on solid footing. I think the guy above them, Paul D. Podesta, whatever his title is, I think that they take a long enough time horizon view and they know the assets they have next year. They know they have a great rookie class that's playing very well, but all it takes is the owner to change his mind. I just don't think Stefanski and Barry would be operating in the manner that they are playing. This many rookies trading down with the Travis Hunter trade if they thought they really had to win this year.

[Dan Patrick]

The Tush push has reemerged. I, I'm not sure why it came back up other than, well, I, I kept it alive, I should say, when, you know, I'm having the head of, you know, officiating from Fox, Dean Blandino on and he says, look, I've given up, I can't officiate this. And I thought, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Now you can say that to the owners. It's hard for us to officiate this. Maybe you get those two other votes and then maybe you get rid of this play this next season. My point when I watched it, Ross, is the guards jump off sides like they're moving before everybody else. You can call that. The one thing you can't call is the spotting of the ball. I think that's really difficult in that play. But is the Tush push going away at the end of this year?

[Ross Tucker]

Well, number one, I don't really understand why the officials didn't call the false starts on the Eagles guards and they should have, and then that would have changed things significantly. And let me just tell you right now, we know the NFL doesn't like the play and has pushed to remove it. So they're going to be watching those guys very, very carefully. I think this is probably the last year for it. I think when you have that prominent of a game and you have multiple false starts that aren't called, I think that would be enough, probably, Dan, to convince a couple of owners to be like, what are we doing here? You know, I mean, so that, that might have been a situation, right or wrong, where the Eagles kind of won the battle but lost the war. My guess is this is the last year of it. I still find it fascinating that no one else has been able to replicate it. I mean, that. That's the. The. The. The impressive thing isn't that nobody can stop it. This is a quote unquote copycat league, right? I mean, Jonathan Gannon, Shane Steichen, Kellen Moore, all these guys are head coaches that came from Philadelphia over the last couple years, and they still can't replicate it with their teams. Which then goes to show that it's not the technique as much as it's the people doing it, which isn't that, like, shouldn't that be a credit to the Eagles and not something that they try to get rid of? If the Eagles have personnel that can.

[Dan Patrick]

Execute something better than others, yeah, that's what I've said. I may not like it aesthetically, but it's football where you know what I'm going to do and you can't stop it. But if you allow the guards to be offsides, then I have a problem with that. I still just take the guy from behind, Jalen hurts out, and they'll still be successful. It's a great offensive line, and you have a quarterback who's unlike any other quarterback with his ability, you know, with his leg strength. They'll still be great.

[Ross Tucker]

I'm really glad you said that, because what people don't understand is that even if they say you can't push, okay, the Eagles will still run the play looking extremely similar. You just won't have the guy come up and push him from behind. They'll still have a lot of success with it. People still won't like it stylistically, the injury risk portion of it with the O line, D line in those crouch, that's not changing like that. Like, that's not changing like the. The guy coming from behind and pushing the quarterback. That doesn't really change the injury risk part of it. So, I don't know. I mean, they're gonna. They're gonna outlaw it after the year.

[Caller]

I'm.

[Ross Tucker]

I'm very confident. And then the Eagles will just do regular quarterback sneaks and have a lot of success.

[Dan Patrick]

But Dean Blandino said something yesterday that really caught my attention. He said he thinks because the Eagles won the super bowl that the other owners didn't want to seem like sour grapes, and then they voted against the tush push, and maybe that's why it survived that. If the Eagles don't win the super bowl, then it doesn't come across as sour grapes, that we can't stop it. So let's get it out of the game. Whether that's, you know, motivating factor in the off season, I don't know. But this is the former head of officials saying that.

[Ross Tucker]

Yeah, I mean, 22 voted to get rid of it, so only 10 voted to keep it. And it only takes a couple to change. And I'm sure this office. I mean, all they're gonna have to do is show those couple guys the false starts. It's too hard to officiate it. They can't see it. We can't see where the ball is. We can't see where they're lined up. I think they're probably pretty confident that they can get a couple guys to change their mind.

[Dan Patrick]

Josh Allen broke his nose, and he was. He was. Have you ever had that during a game?

[Ross Tucker]

Never in a football game. Because it's really hard to break your nose with the face mask. Right? Like, that's the. That's the reason why you have the face mask now. Like backyard football, basketball one time, and, like, knee football one time I broke my nose. I can still kind of. Still kind of feel. So he's going to go visor, which is smart. I don't even. I had to see it again to see how it actually happened, because there should not be a way in which that happened. I mean, that's the whole design of the face mask in the first place.

[Dan Patrick]

Have you been out there where somebody's got blood all over themselves during a game?

[Ross Tucker]

I don't remember blood, like, all over themselves. I mean, I've seen bad. I've seen dislocated elbows where it went the wrong way. I did have two different defensive linemen spit in my face during the 2004 season. That was nice. But, no, I have not. I can't remember seeing, like, gushing blood.

[Dan Patrick]

Do you say to the official, that guy just spit on me? No.

[Ross Tucker]

In neither instance did I do it. The one guy, Dan, it must have been right after a TV timeout because it wasn't like spit. It was like he had a mouthful of water and he was saving it for me and spit on me and blew it all over me. Now, that guy, I think might have been bipolar. So I wasn't messing with that guy. I was. I had legitimately, legitimate concerns about that guy. Now, the guy that did it for the Bengals, that really bothered me. And I had been with Marvin Lewis in Washington, so I was screaming at the Bengals sideline to put him back in the game so I could try to break his leg. Those are the good. So. So, you know, the difference is those guys didn't do it right in front of the refs. Okay, so there was no penalty. So there was no cameras. And what was I going to do after the game? I wasn't going to say anything about it after the game. Oh, yeah, by the way, this guy for the Browns or this guy for the Bengals spit in my face. But that's probably a record that people don't know how many times you get spit in the face in one season. Ross Tucker, 2004.

[Dan Patrick]

Congratulations.

[Ross Tucker]

Hey, we all have to be good and known for something.

[Dan Patrick]

How about a round of applause for Ross? Getting travels. Thank you, buddy.

[Ross Tucker]

Sounds great. See you guys.

[Dan Patrick]

That's Ross Tucker. It'll be in the radio booth. Westwood One. It'll be Bill's Dolphins tomorrow night and then Sunday on cbs. Colts, Titans, take a break. Your phone calls next. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.

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[Dan Patrick]

I saw a clip of Sylvester Stallone. He was on with Jimmy Fallon and he was talking about the scene in Rocky where he runs up the steps in Philadelphia. And he said initially he was carrying his dog up the steps and that dog weighed 130 pounds. And he said, I got halfway up and I went, the dog is out of the scene. Just going to be me running up the steps. Because he was going to carry his dog up the steps. He's like, nope, get the dog out of here.

[Caller]

Yeah, Paul, I've never been to that spot in Philadelphia. Was the Rocky statue put there for the movie and they left it up or did the movie do really well and then they put the statue there permanently? Like, how did it end up there? Is it like a tourist attraction?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, yeah. But they didn't have a Rocky statue.

[Caller]

No, that's what I'm saying. Like, was it put there when they shot the scene in the movie and they just left it forever or like years later?

[Dan Patrick]

I don't think there's a statue of Rocky there.

[Caller]

Oh, I thought there was.

[Dan Patrick]

No, I think.

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[Dan Patrick]

I mean, there is one now.

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[Dan Patrick]

But. But for the original, there's not a Rocky.

[Caller]

Right, right.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Caller]

I was.

[Dan Patrick]

That's the famous one.

[Caller]

I was wondering when it went in.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, Marvin.

[Ross Tucker]

Yeah, I went to Philadelphia about two years ago and there was a nice.

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[Dan Patrick]

Pete in Seattle. Hi, Pete. What's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Morning, Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

Morning.

[Caller]

Earlier, the guys played a clip of you with Ken Griffey Jr. Yeah. And it reminded me of the joy which that man played the game, including playing video games with kids in the dugout for special kids and stuff like that. The main memory I had when you bring up Bo is you remember Junior and Senior played together at the Kingdome for about a year. I think Senior was like the 47th left fielder to play with Junior. But Bo came up with Kansas City, hit a Line drive into the corner. Senior picked it up, threw bow out at second base. And junior just sat down in center field for about three minutes and did nothing but laugh.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, that was, that was a great moment. They both homered in a game. Pretty cool. Corey in Kansas City. Hi, Corey. What's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Hey, good morning, Mr. Patrick. Marv Seton, Wu Tang forever, guys. Stuck at Portside A6 3. Jim Boeheim, 180. A sure idea. And a comment for you based off of yesterday, a new shirt design.

[Ross Tucker]

Why?

[Caller]

To scooty, scooty. And just to comment on how hockey players are just kind of built differently from the rest of us humans. Joe Burrow toe injury at a bare minimum for three months. Matthew Tkachuk was just announced of surgery for sports hernia and a turn torn abductor out two months.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, well, they are different. Yeah. That's why I, whenever a guy would get injured, you know, I would just say, but you know, came back because he's a hockey player. When I remember doing highlights, somebody get hurt in the first period, they'd stitch him up, come back, he's a hockey player. Mike in Wisconsin. Hi, Mike. What's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Hey, what up, fellas? Thanks for taking my call. Hey, Dan, I don't recall who your super bowl picks were, but I have a stat that may influence your Pick for the NFC. Bart Starr, Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers were all 27 when they won a Super Bowl. And coming this November, Jordan Love turns 27. This is the stat of the day.

[Dan Patrick]

Yep, I was aware of that. Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick, I have the Lions and the Chiefs. The Chiefs got a tough schedule if you look at their next like seven games. There are very few layups in there. And I got to get Travis Kelsey to least hit the wayback machine just so he can give me, give me a glimpse of what he used to be. And then you're waiting on your wide receivers. Rice worthy. Yes, Marv.

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[Ross Tucker]

That did not look good.

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[Dan Patrick]

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