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The best pickleball shoes purpose built for pickleball. You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio, hour two on this Wednesday, Dan and the Dan Edge Dan Patrick show, fully equipped with Fritzi Seaton, Marv Poly, yours truly, and the back room guys as well. Ross Tucker, our good buddy, will join us. Coming up in a little bit here. Ross was asked this question, I believe this was back in May. And Ross Tucker was asked if he thought Caleb Williams was going to be the Bears starting quarterback in three years. And Ross Tucker said, I'd probably bet no based on what I've seen so far. All right, after two weeks, you still feel that way. We'll talk to Ross Tucker. He'll join us. Coming up, Ross has the Dolphins in the Bills tomorrow night. Boy, if the Dolphins get blown out, they're 12 and a half point underdogs in Buffalo. I don't know. You know, a lot of these owners were, they're, they're like, I don't want to fire a coach, somebody I'm paying. But then you don't want to keep a coach on that you're going to fire because you don't want him to win his way back. Where all of a sudden you end the season with four wins and somebody's saying, well, why are you firing him? You make up your mind. And this happened when? When did this happen? Where somebody went into oh with the Knicks that Thibodeau, you know, from what I was told, I think all indications were he was going to be fired because nobody expected the Knicks to do anything in the postseason. But then you had injuries to other teams and they of course go to the Eastern Conference finals and then we go, wait, how could you fire him? Well, they didn't do a good job with it because they didn't have somebody ready. You know, they bring in Mike Brown. That's uninspiring. Don Staley would have been interesting, but she, I think talked her way out of that. She even said, are you guys ready for this? You hire a, you know, a female coach to coach in the NBA. And I think they probably said, no, we're probably not ready for that. Merchandise store is open for business and it's stock with fresh new gear. DanPatrick.com Stat of the Day is always brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick show from the crew that brought you the office brings you the comedy of underdogs with major issues. The paper streaming only on Peacock, which is where you'll find this show. That's our streaming partner. The idea is far from a finished product, but after looking at the past three Heisman winners, Travis Hunter, Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams, and comparing that to teams thriving this season, maybe we're seeing a new blueprint because it's not about landing the five star recruit anymore. It's about building out your roster, being aggressive in the transfer portal and then grabbing some proven talent. Look at Miami. Last year they brought in Cam Ward. This year they got Carson back, Oklahoma, John Mattier transfer portal to Heisman front runner Tallahassee Thomas Castellanos. He trash talking Alabama in the off season and then backed it up. Florida State's back in the top 25. So developing your player, maybe you do bring in some some transfer portal, but this is about also recruiting as well and you start to look at the Heisman favorites. I don't know if there is a favorite. I mean John Matier at Oklahoma look good against Michigan and by all accounts appears to be the front runner, at least according to DraftKings. But it's pretty, it's tightly bunched in there. I was curious about Arch Manning. Arch Manning is plus 3500. He's not in the picture. John Matier is plus 800. Carson Beck plus 900. Dante Moore transferred from UCLA to go to Oregon. He's at plus 1200. Garrett Nussmeier so you got you know some players there that you might know, but it feels like this is wide open. Somebody's going to have a standalone game where they break out and all of a sudden we're going to go, that guy. That's the guy. 877-3-DP show email address dp@danpatrick.com Twitter handle @DP Show Michael in Salt Lake leads us off this hour. Hi, Mike. What's on your mind today?
Caller (9:05)
So I'm a big University of Utah fan and Utah brought in a transfer quarterback from New Mexico, Devin Dampier. They brought in the OC, Jason Beck as well. He's a man, he's a, he's something hot. He's, he can run the ball. He can throw the ball. And I think this trend of OC quarterback transfer, bringing him into a school like John McTier in Oklahoma did, I think it's something, I think it's something, a trend that's gonna, we're gonna see in college football. But Devin Dampier, he's got a standalone game this Saturday, 10 o', clock, Texas Tech. He's gonna be a, he's gonna be a.
Dan Patrick (9:37)
We'll see. We'll see, we'll see. It's early. It's early, but I, I agree, it used to be back in the old days when you went to a university, Troy Aikman famously went to Oklahoma because he believed Barry Switzer was going to throw the ball. Barry ran the ball. So Troy gets there and all of a sudden they're like, yeah, we're not throwing the ball. And then he ends up transferring to ucla. You know, you, you get players to fit your program. And even in the NFL, it used to be you're drafting players to fit with the philosophy of the head coach. That's changed. Certainly in the NFL, if they draft somebody, they're drafting you, certainly in a quarterbacking position. Hey, this is. We're going to adopt your style. They did this in Carolina with Cam Newton, and it was wise to do that. If you have somebody who does something really well, I don't want you to come in and go, we don't want you to run the ball. Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen. No, you have to embrace that talent. You don't want to go, hey, we're not doing any of that stuff you did in college. And I think that's really important for some of these head coaches, that I want to play to your strengths instead of asking you to kind of adapt to our system. And you're seeing that in college now you're bringing in somebody, bringing in an offensive coordinator, go along with that quarterback, and you're able to kind of adapt to their style. What makes you great. Let's, let's try to take advantage of that. Yes, Marvin.
Dan Patrick (11:16)
Well, they weren't giving it out to a freshman or a sophomore, so it was more of a junior, certainly a senior award. You had that I, I, you know, fought hard. Well, I nearly got into a fight with Craig Sager over Adrian Peterson because I said, I, that guy's the best, best player in college football. And I remember Craig Sager was like, they're not going to give it to a freshman. I said, they should if he's the best player. When Marshall Falk at Fresno, San Diego State dominated, and it might have been a game against Fresno State, I remember watching that game with other NFL people, and I said that he's the best player in college football. Well, you don't want to give it to a freshman. I'm like, why not? Well, because he's got three, at least three years to earn it. I go, no, no, no, no. You don't do it that way. Who's the best player? That's what the Heisman goes to. And then we found out it didn't necessarily go to the best player, or at least if you're a freshman or. So Herschel Walker was the best player in college football, won a national title. Oh, you can't give it to him. He'll get another chance. Like, you can't do it. It's like. Yeah, you know, when you have young actors like Haley Joel, Osment should have won the Academy Award. He was. I don't know if I can say he was the Herschel Walker of actors. That old comparison, the Sixth Sense. He was spectacular, and you can't, you know. So if you say, oh, he'll get his chance. No, he's not getting his chance. He had his chance. He gave you a performance of a lifetime. Yeah, but he's young. So what? Ageist. Yes.
Dan Patrick (13:13)
And it used to be that, you know, if you were in Nebraska or Oklahoma, you might yet face each other, but you might have one other tough game, you know, because the Big Eight back then, if, you know, it was really top heavy, you know, now you're. If you're running through the sec, literally, you're going to stand out. And, you know, that happened with Cam, it happened with Johnny Manziel. If you're doing it in the sec, you got a big head start on everybody else. Curtis in Illinois. Hi, Curtis. What's on your mind today?
Dan Patrick (16:14)
Well, you only have 17 games in baseball. You have plenty of time to make up ground you have so you could lose four games in your first six and you're not going to make the playoffs. I mean we're talking about Kansas City Chiefs right now at 0 and 2. I still think the Bears are a playoff caliber team, but I thought that last year as well. I thought that they were on the doorstep just like the Lions were a few years ago when I said that's the breakout team. They almost made the playoffs that year and then we saw what they were after that. Now maybe I'm totally off on the Bears and the talent they have and Caleb Williams. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I got to give him a little more time. Did I think the jets were going to make it to start the year? No. But I didn't think the Pirates gonna make the playoffs. Colorado was going to make the playoffs. I don't think the Browns are making the playoffs. I mean we already know Carolina's not making the playoffs. We already know this. But can you give us a glimpse of Carolina's got a better chance than Pitts, the Pittsburgh Pirates do, or the Cleveland Browns do? Because all you need to do is you get to nine Wins maybe, maybe you get in as a wild card team, but you're only, you got seven, you know, so it's 17 games. You can get it. Pirates can get a hot stretch. It doesn't matter. Colorado get a hot, it doesn't matter. Because you're looking at the consistency of a team over the course of an entire 162 games. That's really, it's easy to decide when a team is not that good. You don't have to wait until August or September. With the NFL, there's always a couple of teams where you go, boy, they're, they're a lot better than you think. And then next thing you know, the Atlanta Falcons make a run. Happens every year. Somebody's going to do that with big surprises. I don't know if I answered your question, Tom, but it was a long winded way of saying I don't know. Coach in Fort. What? Coach in Fort Wayne. Hi, Coach.
Ross Tucker (25:40)
Yeah, I guess I would say I still have some significant concerns as it relates to Caleb Williams. And part of that are the things I had seen. Part of that are the things I had heard, you know, interestingly, since that radio interview, Tyler Dunn came out with an article where he spoke to a lot of people that spoke to some of the things that went on in Chicago last year that I had heard from people. So that was partially informed. But, you know, to me, Dan, it came down to a few things with Caleb Williams, right? Number one, he got sacked a lot at usc. Got sacked a lot last year. Guys don't usually fix that, you know, I mean, they can get better at it. But if you're on a scale 1 to 10, if, you know, 10 being you're the best at not taking sacks, if he, if you're a 1 or a 2 or maybe a 3, you can get to 5 or 6. But those guys don't get to 8, 9, 10, right? They're not that kind of. They don't have that kind of DNA. So that was a big part of it. But then even consistent decision making issues, I would say, right? So the way he handled the end of the game against the Lions on Thanksgiving, when the Bears were doing the right thing, call play, run the play, then you use the timeout. He audibled. Didn't realize why they were doing what they were doing. And then we ran out of time and everybody blamed Eber Flutes and Iberfluz, knew he couldn't throw Caleb Williams, number one pick under the bus. And then even just like this stuff with he and his dad talking with Seth Wickersham and telling him how they, you know, they tried to get out of there in Chicago, they didn't want to be there. I just would say, Dan, there's a lot of examples, even off the field of questionable decision making. And when you stack all of them on top of each other, it starts to become concerning. The way I look at it is, okay, who are the other guys that are top 10 NFL quarterbacks who have some issues with in game management, have some off the field issues with decision making, whether it's their dad or them or whatever. Take that many sacks. I just, you started to stack some things, you know, and then that article comes out. By the way, this is why I got asked that, Dan, in May, the article comes out, it's the start of the Bears off season program. And he doesn't, he doesn't talk to the media. It's like the first thing you have to do after an article like that comes out is just address it so it goes away because nobody's going to keep talking about it until you say something about it. So there's just kind of a pattern there of what I would phrase questionable decision making.
Ross Tucker (29:17)
I think that's probably accurate. You know, there are some people speculating that because it's a Thursday night game, it's a prime time game. You know, Dan, I always say that primetime games count like 5x in the court of public opinion, you know, so if it's a primetime game, everybody's watching all at the same time. If they look really bad on Thursday night, if they get blown out, then it's almost like they got a lot of time before that next game. It's almost like a mini buy. You have the whole weekend for the owner to just think about it and simmer over it. I think there is the possibility if it's that bad on Thursday night, that they would move on from McDaniel. I think it's more likely that they would give him the next few games. But then that's always an interesting one too, because if the owner's already made up his mind, does he want to give him the chance to win those next couple games? The problem is, I see it for the Dolphins is they kind of tried to put the toothpaste back in the tube a little bit. I mean, everybody knows that the players, I guess the nicest Way to phrase it would say that the players had a lot of freedom or have a lot of freedom down there and with the culture. And so they tried to pull back on that a little bit and make it a little bit more restrictive. I think that's really hard to do in life, right? Like, because these players know what you've been like the last couple years, now all of a sudden you're gonna change. So it's like, okay, so first of all, we don't really buy it. We don't really buy you're gonna change. And secondly, if you're gonna change, then you're not really being who you are. You're not really being authentic. It's almost like you can't win either way at that point.
Dan Patrick (30:59)
But do players want to be coached by, you know, the, A Dan Campbell or, you know, because I, I'll hear, oh, he's a players coach, players manager, and then, oh, you know, like Terry Francona was the perfect manager in Boston until he wasn't the perfect manager. Oh, they're taking advantage of me. He's too nice of a guy. You know, he's a player's manager. That's why they're winning. Come on, make up your mind. What, what would the players want to be coached like Belichick or Coach by Mike McDaniel?
Ross Tucker (32:49)
I wouldn't say I yelled at him. I just said, by the way, I Love Joe Flacco. Philly guy has a house at the Jersey Shore right near me. And what I love about Joe is, I think everything I said, he would say the exact same thing. I mean, he told us before the game that his harshest critics are his kids. And his 12 year old said, the Browns are picking you to start, which I thought was amazing. But listen, you know, if you have a guy like Flacco starting you, you cannot make that decision in that throw. It was a 133 game, you know, that's. That's the way the Browns have to win. They have to be ugly, lower scoring games. And it was a surprisingly poor decision. It was a really bad throw. It totally changed the game at that point, and the game got away from them. And what I love about Flacco is if you guys got him on the show or if he ends up being a color commentator, he would say, he'd say, that's a terrible job by me. You can't do that. You. His brothers would tell him that. He knows. I mean, it was just, you know, he was getting frustrated. They. They weren't moving the ball that well. They weren't scoring. He got greedy and he made a really poor choice. It happens.
Ross Tucker (34:17)
That's a good question. I will say the Giants, because I think the Giants, you know, they took Jackson Dart in the first round and I think that they have more hope that they can have success with Jackson Dart. I think the Browns probably want to win a game first before they go to Dylan Gabriel. Now, he looked good on that drive, but I think deep down, you know, in places people don't like to admit it, if the Browns switched to Dylan Gabriel or Shador Sanders, I think that there'd be some concern, like, what if we don't win a game? You know, I mean, what. Like what if we don't win a game? I think get one. One win on the, on the ledger. Whereas the Giants, I think, probably feel like, you know, doubts maybe just as good as Russell Wilson or give them just give a chance to win a game right now anyway.
Ross Tucker (35:16)
Good question. Yes. I think, you know, it's interesting. Jimmy Haslam at one point said, three and 14 is not good enough. And so what's fascinating about that is, you know, I don't think he has delusions of grandeur. I mean, you talk to people in Cleveland and They know if everything goes well, they win seven games, right? But I think that they, I think they don't want to make their fans suffer through another season that's that bad. Which makes the whole dynamic of when they bench Flacco and put in Dylan Gabriel or Shador very, very interesting because I think the GM Andrew Barry and the head coach, Kevin Stefanski are on solid footing. I think the guy above them, Paul D. Podesta, whatever his title is, I think that they take a long enough time horizon view and they know the assets they have next year. They know they have a great rookie class that's playing very well, but all it takes is the owner to change his mind. I just don't think Stefanski and Barry would be operating in the manner that they are playing. This many rookies trading down with the Travis Hunter trade if they thought they really had to win this year.
Dan Patrick (36:32)
The Tush push has reemerged. I, I'm not sure why it came back up other than, well, I, I kept it alive, I should say, when, you know, I'm having the head of, you know, officiating from Fox, Dean Blandino on and he says, look, I've given up, I can't officiate this. And I thought, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Now you can say that to the owners. It's hard for us to officiate this. Maybe you get those two other votes and then maybe you get rid of this play this next season. My point when I watched it, Ross, is the guards jump off sides like they're moving before everybody else. You can call that. The one thing you can't call is the spotting of the ball. I think that's really difficult in that play. But is the Tush push going away at the end of this year?
Ross Tucker (37:25)
Well, number one, I don't really understand why the officials didn't call the false starts on the Eagles guards and they should have, and then that would have changed things significantly. And let me just tell you right now, we know the NFL doesn't like the play and has pushed to remove it. So they're going to be watching those guys very, very carefully. I think this is probably the last year for it. I think when you have that prominent of a game and you have multiple false starts that aren't called, I think that would be enough, probably, Dan, to convince a couple of owners to be like, what are we doing here? You know, I mean, so that, that might have been a situation, right or wrong, where the Eagles kind of won the battle but lost the war. My guess is this is the last year of it. I still find it fascinating that no one else has been able to replicate it. I mean, that. That's the. The. The. The impressive thing isn't that nobody can stop it. This is a quote unquote copycat league, right? I mean, Jonathan Gannon, Shane Steichen, Kellen Moore, all these guys are head coaches that came from Philadelphia over the last couple years, and they still can't replicate it with their teams. Which then goes to show that it's not the technique as much as it's the people doing it, which isn't that, like, shouldn't that be a credit to the Eagles and not something that they try to get rid of? If the Eagles have personnel that can.
Ross Tucker (42:26)
In neither instance did I do it. The one guy, Dan, it must have been right after a TV timeout because it wasn't like spit. It was like he had a mouthful of water and he was saving it for me and spit on me and blew it all over me. Now, that guy, I think might have been bipolar. So I wasn't messing with that guy. I was. I had legitimately, legitimate concerns about that guy. Now, the guy that did it for the Bengals, that really bothered me. And I had been with Marvin Lewis in Washington, so I was screaming at the Bengals sideline to put him back in the game so I could try to break his leg. Those are the good. So. So, you know, the difference is those guys didn't do it right in front of the refs. Okay, so there was no penalty. So there was no cameras. And what was I going to do after the game? I wasn't going to say anything about it after the game. Oh, yeah, by the way, this guy for the Browns or this guy for the Bengals spit in my face. But that's probably a record that people don't know how many times you get spit in the face in one season. Ross Tucker, 2004.
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