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This is an iHeart podcast. Hey, this is Matt Jones and I'm Drew Franklin and this is NFL Cover Zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game.
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What was that?
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Oh, my. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week, that is exactly what you're going to get.
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Listen to NFL Cover 0 with Matt.
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Jones and Drew Franklin on the iHeartRadio.
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App, podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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I'm Dan, he's Ty. Hello. And we're the solid verbal college football podcast.
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Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the.
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Emotional support you need as a college football fan. Join us all season long as we ride the roller coaster of this ridiculous sport. Listen to the solid verbal college football.
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Podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts.
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Or wherever you get your podcasts. We don't just love college football, Ty. We live it. Do we really need another podcast with a condescending finance bro trying to tell us how to spend our own money? No, thank you. Instead, check out Brown Ambition. Each week I your host, Mandy Money gives you real talk, real advice with a heavy dose of I feel useless. Like on Fridays when I take your questions for the baqa. Whether you're trying to invest for your future, navigate a toxic workplace, or I got you. Listen to Brown ambition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.
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What's up everybody? It's snacks from the trap Nerds. All October long, we're bringing you the horror.
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Boogity boogity boogity. We kicking off this month with some.
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Of my best horror games to keep you terrified.
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Then we'll be talking about our favorite.
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Horror and Halloween movies and figuring out why black people always die first.
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And it's the return of Tony's horror.
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Show side Quest, written and narrated by yours truly.
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We'll also be doing a full episode reading with commentary and we'll cap it.
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Off with a horror MOV Battle Royale. Open your free AHA Radio app and search Trapped Nerds Podcast and listen now.
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It may look different, but native culture is alive. My name is Nicole Garcia and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. Somewhere along the way it turned into this full fledged award winning comic shop. That's Dr. Lee Francis IV who opened the first native comic book shop. Explore his story along with many other native stories on the show Burn Sage, Burn bridges. Listen to Burn sage, burn bridges on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio, hour two on this program, Dan and the Dan Ants Dan Patrick Show. It's a meat Friday. It's a King's Hawaiian meat Friday and we got tons of sliders on the menu. Who has it better than we do?
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Nobody.
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Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the program. And we'll have a new poll question this hour. We'll clean up what we had in hour one as well. Charlie Sheen will join us 14 years after the interview that kind of changed his life and that kind of blew up the Internet. Seaton. Would you update the poll results from the first hour? We'll talk to CC Sabathia here momentarily. Yeah, we really stumbled onto a topic here because people have sending in a lot of suggestions. I'll start first with would you rather be a Hall of Fame pitcher or hall of Fame quarterback? Right now, 67% of the audience rather be the quarterback. Most infamous interview in show history. The options we have up there right now are Charlie Sheen, Matt Harvey, Kyler Murray, and then Brady Hoke put up there. That's more of an infamous moment than a full interview, but it was pretty great. Not good. 877-3-DP show email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle @tpShow Tigers advance, Cubs advance. Yankees advance. And a great weekend. Cubs, Brewers, Yankees, Blue Jays, Dodgers, Phillies, Tigers and the Mariners. CC Sabathia, hall of Famer, World Series champ. With The Yankees back in 09, MLB's postseason continues this weekend. The Divisional Series. TBS, Fox, Fox Sports 1, MLB Network airing pre and post game coverage. Good to see you again. How old were you with your first playoff game?
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I was 20. 20 years old, my first playoff game. Pitched in, I just turned 21. I'm sorry. Pitched in the playoff game in 2001 against the Mariners, that team that had won where they won 114 games. So I pitched game three of that series.
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What do you remember, like being 21? How can that help you in a situation like that?
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I mean, it can help you by not knowing what you're walking into and not understanding, you know, the, the, the gravity or the magnitude of the games you're pitching. But for me, you know, being a huge fan and sports fan my whole life and understanding, you know, what it meant to be an ace, you know, I'm Throwing that up there with air quotations. Being 21 years old, I wanted to go out and, you know, have that postseason that everybody's like, oh, my God, look at this guy. And, you know, he's the greatest pitcher. Jared Wright had just did that 97. You know, he was the young guy and took that team all the way to the World Series. So, you know, that, that was kind of my thinking. I got into the game and, you know, I was a little nervous. I think I gave up three runs in the first inning, and I'm walking off the field, and Robbie Alomar comes and he goes, hey, you know, how you feeling? I'm like, you know, I'm good. I'll be fine. And he, as we're walking back to the bench, he, he, he looks and he says, don't shake off enar the rest of the game. You know, Diaz was our catcher. He was like, whatever he puts down, just call the pitches. So I, I, you know, didn't shake him off. Go six innings, give up three runs. The only three runs I gave up was in that first inning. And after the game, they tell me that Robbie was calling the pitches from second base. Robbie called the game from second base and practice went out and executed.
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What's it like when Ken Griffey Jr. Comes to the plate?
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He wasn't on that team. Oh, he wasn't on that. That was Ichir Rose. Yeah. So that was Ichiro's rookie year. That was Mike Cameron, you know, Brett Boone, those guys. Okay, so that was that, that was that first year that he had just went to Cincinnati.
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Okay. And Ichiro had your number.
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Hit me good. That. He hit me good. Up until I figured out I had to move his feet. Once I figured out I had to move his feet and I'd get him uncomfortable. Then I, Then at my later part of my career, I started having some success against Ichi.
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Explain that.
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Moving your feet, just, like, getting him off his spot, you know, he was just. He would be super comfortable in the box. And, you know, for me, you know, I need to be able to be able to, you know, command the inside part of the play to a lefty and be able to throw my slider down in the way. At that time, when I was 21 years old, I only threw, like, a big looping curveball. I didn't have a slider at that time, so I really had nothing to get them out with. And then accidentally, one time when I was in New York, they came in New York and I accidentally threw one up. And in like, literally just got away and it spooked them, you know. And ever since then, I was like, oh, okay, all right, I figured it out now. So after that, and I didn't, you know, I would throw one kind of close, and then I would just go to work.
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Cam Schlitter had 11 pitches of 100 miles per hour or more. That seems to be the norm now. I'm surprised when guys don't throw a hundred miles an hour. Where's this going?
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Yeah, but the way he commanded it last night, you know, I mean, he was just. Just filling it up, just strike after strike. I mean, I sat down really close. I was, you know, right next to the Boston Red Sox, you know, on deck circle. He was throwing BBS. I mean, it looked like he was throwing 200, 200 miles an hour. And he's got an 84 mile an hour slider. You know what I mean? So that, that difference in miles an hour is just such a huge. You have to really pick one. And soon as you start picking one and guessing one, then you're late on the heater and, you know, he throws two of those and it's O2. So, I mean, the way. I mean, there's a lot of guys that can throw hard, right? But the way he commanded the baseball last night was very impressive.
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I remember Mark Grace saying, I'll hit your fastball. I'm going to hit the fastball because I. It's the breaking ball. You know, it always comes back to the breaking ball, you know, because he said, we see 100. If it's not moving, we'll hit it. But I don't know, like, is there a big difference between 96 and 100?
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I mean, yes, I do think so. I mean, honestly, I haven't stood in the box and face either one. But. But when I hear these guys talk, you know, I heard Julio Rodriguez the other day talking about his ideal fastball. Like, what was. What would be the miles an hour? And you know, to me, when I was coming up, it would have been like, you know, I would think 92, 93. Like, he's like, I need a 96 mile an hour fastball. So for him to even be thinking like 96 is a perfect hitting speed is insane because like I said, when I was coming up, or, you know, during my time, there just wasn't guys that were able to do that consistently like it is now. So that, that, I mean, that's the hitting speed, which is crazy. And like you said, where does it go? I have no idea. I mean, you got kids in high school right now, you know, topping 100 and you know, just getting bigger, faster and stronger. So, but, but if you can't command it, if you can't throw strikes with it, there's really no point of you being able to throw that hard.
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But if you're throwing that hard, is the philosophy going to continue to be throw as hard as you can for as long as you can and then we bring in somebody else?
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I think so. I think unless we kind of change the rules, right, or do something that can, you know, help, you know, starting pitching, you know, develop. I mean, even in the, even in the lower stages, you go to some of these perfect game tournaments or all this stuff, you know, I have a 22 year old, I got a 15 year old going through it now. I mean, they're pitching that four inning clips, you know what I mean, where they go out in these tournaments and there's four innings is the best stuff that you have. And then we'll bring somebody else in. So they're even being trained to not even be a starting pitcher, right? Like you have to go five innings to get a win. And these, you know, the kids are coming up where they're, they're, they're not even qualifying to get wins. So I think something has to change where, you know, we get back to, you know, starting pitching because that's what kind of like when it was Dave Stewart against, you know, whoever else, that's when you want to watch the game. When there's Roger Clemens against, you know, Pedro, that's the top billing, right? That's, that's how you get, got people to watch baseball throughout the season when you can have these starting pitching matchups.
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We're talking to CC Sabathia, the Hall of Famer, joining us on behalf of MLB's postseason coverage. How do you explain Clayton Kershaw's curveball?
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Well, I mean, it's, it's, it's really 12 to 6 and it's, you know, it's one of those things we were talking about the other day, you know, really just kind of. Him and Barry Zito have had that, you know, left handed curveball where you can throw a fastball at the top of the zone and then throw that curveball off of that thing and you know, hitters really have no chance. I mean, and even this year I feel like, you know, he's pitching so free and understanding and knowing that, you know, no matter what happens, his legacy is cemented. Right? Like he's Going to the hall of fame. He's got 3,000 strikeouts, World Series. He's one of the best pitchers of his generation. So I feel like this year he's been pitching more free and you see you've been seeing great results. So I'm excited hopefully for him to get a start in this playoffs.
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Anybody similar to Shohei Ohtani, if you were recall facing somebody that was similar to Ohtani?
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No, I mean, I, no, I don't think there's anybody. I mean, I get, I guess you can, you can say Barry, but you know, Barry can't go out and throw seven innings. Shout out baseball.
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No, let me take away the picture. Let me, let me take away the pitching part of it. I'm talking about facing a batter.
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The, the best. I mean, left handed. No, there, there is nobody left handed that I feel like I faced that, that was that good. I mean even Bond.
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Bond.
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Yeah, I've been, I didn't face Bonds a lot. I was in, I was in American League. I faced him one time in All Star game. So I, you know, I didn't get a chance to face him that much. But you know, like, for me it would have to be like a Pujols or you know, Manny Ramirez or you know, Miguel Cabrera. Those were all just the hardest guys for me to get out. And I would have to imagine Shohei's the same way. I mean, you know, we show up to LA and you know, he's four pitches in, he hits 100 mile an hour fastball on the inside part of the plate, like out. I mean, he's the way he shows up on, you know, on cue. You know, like we go to Tokyo Dome, it's a home run in Tokyo Dome in Japan. Like the way that he can show up in a baseball game and impact a game is incredible.
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But how defeating is it the first guy you face hits a home run?
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No, I mean when you start. And I think that was always my problem. I never felt like I was out of it. Like even when they were coming to get the ball, I could be seven, giving up seven runs in the third inning. And I'm like, nah, like I'm right there. Like I'm, I'm away from getting this thing right. So for me it was always like, no, no, no, I could get this thing on track. So I never, I never felt defeated and I think that was always my problem.
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When did you learn or how did you learn about the rivalry with the Red Sox, Yankees, when you know you were Cleveland and Milwaukee, then you Go to New York. Well, are you taught to hate the Red Sox?
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No, I think it's just something that happens. And I think, you know, throughout the AL East, I think with the Yankees, it can be different teams at different times. Right. Like, there's always the rival between the Yankees and the Red Sox. And you understand that. And you know that when you came over, like I remember, you know, that first year in 09, it was the end of April. It was the first time we were going into Boston and it felt like, you know, they were talking about, like it was a playoff series. We had just signed all these guys, myself, Swish, Texera, A.J. burnett. And, you know, the way that they talked about that series, you know, you would have thought that it was, you know, October. So that was kind of my introduction to it. But, you know, there, there could be points. You know, we had fights with Toronto. There was times in, you know, when Baltimore was the best in the division. I just feel like even Tampa, I feel like whoever feels like they're the best team in that division feels like they have to go through New York. And that's kind of, you know, the way it's always been. So, you know, there's always different times at different points where we can have, in the aoes, we can have a rivalry, anybody. But we understand how big the one in Boston is, especially when you playing in playoff games against them.
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Your assistant to the commissioner, he was on recently talking about the automated balls and strikes. You had a couple of bad calls in the Padres Cubs game last night. Foregone conclusion that we're going to have automated balls and strikes full time soon.
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I don't know if it's, I don't know, full time. You know, I know that challenge system, you know, would have helped last night. Right. You know, just having a chance to, you know, I think what, you know, Rob always says is catch the catch, the big miss. And, you know, that was a pretty big miss in that game last night where, you know, the Padres have some, some momentum. Jackson Merrow goes deep, you get a good at back by Xander, and then he gets called out on the pitch. That's out of the strike zone. You know, for me, understanding these guys today, this generation of players, they know the strike zone. They know balls and strikes so well. And I feel like when, you know, when I played, there was only a few guys that you could really count on to know balls and strikes. Like, Brett Gardner was a guy that I could always. He would play center field or he'd be out there and I could always look at him and be like, you think that was a ball or a strike? And I could trust his opinion. But now every one of these guys, if you watching the game and we know that box on the screen is not very accurate, but if the ball's not in that box or around that box, those guys know when it's the ball or a strike and, and to be able to just to fix that, that big miss and those type of games or in any game, at the end of the game, you know, or any point, I think it'd be great. You know, I love that only the hitter, the catcher and the pitcher can call it, you know, it has to be entertaining. It's. And you know, I just think about myself, you know, it'd be first pitch of the game and I'd be tapping the top of my helmet, so tap my hat. So, you know, they got to put some rules in place when you can and can't and who can and can't. So. But I'm excited about it.
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Always great to catch up with you. Thanks. Talk to you later. Thank you, CeCe.
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Yes, sir.
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MLB postseason continues this weekend. You got the divisional series, TBS, Fox, Fox Sports 1, MLB Network airing pre and post game coverage, Charlie Sheen 14 years later. After this, be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9:00am Eastern, 6:00am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
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Hey, this is Jason McIntyre.
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Join me every weekday morning on my podcast, Straight fire with Jason McIntyre.
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This isn't your typical sports pod, pushing.
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The same tired narratives down your throat every day. Straight Fire gives you honest opinions on all the biggest sports headlines, accurate stats to help you win big at the sports book, and all the best guests.
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Do yourself a favor and listen to.
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Straight fire with Jason McIntyre on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's Miller time. What's that mean to you? It can mean a lot of things to a lot of different people. For me, it's the end of the show, end of the week on Friday, Papa Miller Lite. And they've been doing it for 50 years. Cheers to Miller Lite, the great taste of light beer. For people who Love beer since 1975, it's a perfect time to celebrate game day with friends and family and great tasting light beer. It's Miller time. It always is cold. You put it in the glass, you take that first sip and you go weekend. It's a taste you can depend on. A great beer trusted by beer lovers for 50 years. Simply put, it just tastes different. It tastes great. 96 calories, just 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. Miller Time's always a good time. It's a great time. Iconic. 50 years later. Miller Light. Great taste. 96 calories. Go to millerlight.com Patrick. You'll find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories, 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.
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Hey, this is Matt Jones.
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I'm Drew Franklin, and this is NFL Cover Zero. We think NFL coverage be informative and entertaining and twice a week, that is exactly what you're going to get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game.
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What was that?
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Looks like something that should not be sold.
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Oh, my.
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So that was my other big Colts takeaway. Sold that. Yes. Might want to go back to the.
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Drawing board at the Colts stadium. Yeah, I might want to go back.
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To the drawing board on that. Yeah. I thought the shape we have with pretzels was working pretty well. It's worked for generations. We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year here. And let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73. He is a young 73.
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He is spry, I would say.
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I wouldn't fight him.
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I would listen NFL Cover Zero with.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast.
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Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential.
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I schools to try to teach kids these skills and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face when you think about emotion regulation. Like, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it. If it's going to be beneficial to you because it's easy to say like. Like you go blank yourself. Right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore, to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walking the other way Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denial is easier. Drinking is easier. Yelling, screaming is easy.
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Complex problem solving.
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Meditating, you know, takes effort.
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Listen to the psychology podcast on the.
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Iheartradio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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But the humility in knowing that life is his classroom that we should never graduate from is what is going to keep you growing. And that's all that matters. World Mental Health Day is around the corner. And on my podcast, just heal with Dr. J, I dive into what it.
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Really means to care for your mind, body and spirit.
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From breaking generational patterns to building emotional capacity. Healing is a journey, and wholeness is the destination.
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I'm gonna walk away feeling very healed and feeling like, yes, I'm gonna continue my healing journey. And I. I'm gonna get some keys from you.
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Listen to just heal with Dr. J from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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December 29, 1975, LaGuardia Airport.
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The holiday rush.
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Parents hauling luggage. Kids gripping their new Christmas toys. Then at 6:33pm everything changed.
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There's been a bombing at the TWA terminal.
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Apparently the explosion actually impelled metal glass.
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The injured were being loaded into ambulances. Just a chaotic, chaotic scene.
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In its wake, a new kind of enemy emerged, and it was here to stay. Terrorism, law and criminal justice system is back in season two. We're turning our focus to a threat that hides in plain sight that's harder to predict and even harder to stop.
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Listen to the new season of law and criminal justice System on the iHeartRadio.
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App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It was almost 14 years ago that we had Charlie Sheen on, and he was going through some negotiations with Two and a Half Men and cbs, and he had gotten suspended. And I saw him doing it. An interview. He was, he was giving a lecture or tips. He was taking batting practice with the UCLA baseball team. And his words of advice were, don't do crack, drink chocolate milk. And I said, paulie, reach out and see if Charlie wants to join us. And really that's all we were going to do. We were just going to talk about that. But I want to play a portion of that conversation that I had with him. And this was on not being allowed on the lot at CBS for Two and a Half Men. How'd you lose your voice?
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Well, you know, went back to work and, you know, I was. I was banging on the stage door, hello, where's everybody?
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And I don't know what Happened.
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I guess they're closed.
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They. They won't let you back in. I died. Nobody told me.
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Nobody told me. I just figured, you know, I'm supposed.
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To go back to work because I'm ready. Wait, you're on hiatus?
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No, we're enforced hiatus.
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They said, you get ready, we'll get ready.
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And I got ready.
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I went back. Nobody's there. I don't know what to tell you.
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Then. Nobody's there.
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Well, wait, how do they tell you you're the star of Two and a Half Men? So do you. Who decides when you get to. You can't do One and a Half Man? No.
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And that was clearly revealed when they had to bring me back this year. You know, I don't know what to tell you, man. I'm just. I'm here and I'm ready.
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They're not. Bring it, you know. When are you scheduled to start shooting again? I believe August of 2014.
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At this pace.
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I don't know. It's supposed to be like, the 28th or. Or the 29th.
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That's what it is. It's the 29th and a non leap year.
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All right, so that was almost 14 years ago. And then all of a sudden, it blew up after that. Charlie called us, I think three consecutive days, and he was clearly on something. We didn't know exactly what was going on. He dropped the winning and tiger blood, and then he came out with a New York Times bestselling book, the book of Sheen and his Netflix documentary, AKA Charlie Sheen. So I said to Fritz, yeah, it's time to have Charlie back on. So I'm thinking now, we talked to him a couple of days ago, and I thought he would give credit to us in the book or in the documentary for the interviews that started all of this, everything that happened to him, the falling out, getting fired, whatever he was smoking, whoever he was with, everything that he went through. So my first question was, what role did this show play in all of this mess?
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What role? You mean this show that we're on right now?
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My show, 2011, when you call.
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Oh, interesting. Interesting. I don't have any specific recollection of. Of any fallout or any, you know, positive response from it. Did it. Did it sideways on your show? Oh, it did, yes.
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Yeah.
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And were you personally put in the line of fire or in any danger?
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No. But you called in, and then you said, hey, ask Dan where I am, and you were on the outside of cbs, Chuck Lorre. And then you were. It exploded after that because you're basically saying, after this, I'm off the show. I'm out of here. And then it went crazy.
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Wow. So is it. Was it like I announced it with you?
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Yeah.
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Interesting.
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Wait, you don't remember any of this?
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I don't. Do you have a. Do you have a clip you can play?
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I. I can. I can send you a clip to remind you, but that's. That's when you. You gave us winning and you gave us tiger blood. All of a sudden, the networks are calling me. They want me to go on these show, talk about you and.
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And. And to ask, like, why I reached out to you to. To. To send, like, my final message or. Or to. To. To. To light the lamp.
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They couldn't get you, so they thought that I. I said, I don't know, Charlie, but they wanted me to speak on your behalf. I sent you a text and said, hey, all of these network shows and Entertainment Tonight, they want me on. I'm not going to go on and speak on your behalf, just so you know. And then.
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Okay.
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Then you, I think, said, f. F them. And then I think you did winning, and then that was it. So.
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Wow. Wow. Okay. Yeah. I'm sorry that I.
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That.
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That was scrubbed from my.
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I remember. I thought there was going to be something in the book about it. I thought, okay, because, you know, there is part of me that felt bad about that. Oh, because you were on three times in a row and I. I remember having a conversation with my wife. I said, I feel like I'm taking advantage of Charlie because you were clearly a wounded animal.
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Absolutely. Yeah. But I think I would look at that more through the lens of that I saw you as a safe outlet, that I saw you as a confidant. I could. I could reach out to and deliver some type of message that I couldn't elsewhere, regardless of how insane that message was at the time, you know, but.
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You were taking batting practice at ucla, and I saw this, and you had a message to the team. Stay off crack and drink chocolate milk. And so I said to Fritz, and that is great advice. Thank you. I said to Fritzi, see if we can get Charlie on. And then that's when it exploded. But it started just because you were taking BP and you were given giving a message to UCLA baseball.
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Yeah, no, that was, I guess, one of just the last traces of, you know, a healthy, you know, wholesome moment. It's interesting because Tony, Todd, I think, you know Tony, right. He's in the. He's been in my life for a thousand years. Lovely man. He says that in that specific group that I delivered, because the coach said, hey, go talk to the guys. I think they lost the final game and we're a little bit down. I think it was the same core team members. And he said, go see if you can give him a pep talk. And so I was like, trying to come up with something like the 50 foot walk. And that's when I said, don't smoke crack and, you know, drink chocolate milk. It turned into a T shirt. But he says that Trevor Bauer was in that grouping. Yeah, the members that I shared that wisdom with and there was a couple others that are now playing professionally, so that's pretty interesting. So clearly none of them smoked crack, but obviously kept drinking chocolate milk. Right.
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A
Tougher to write the book or do the documentary.
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Write the book. Write the book. For sure. Yeah. Because the doc was a. Was a. It was difficult. The doc required so much research and archival and just, you know, building the visual representation from all the, you know, all the materials for the whole backstory and the. And the journey. So. But the book was. Was me alone, staring at a screen night after night, you know.
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Do you ever get mad at yourself while you're writing the book?
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C
Interesting question. Mad at myself for. You mean like on a. On a literary level or for like writing for the things that happen that I'm now. That I'm now sharing the things you said moments. Yeah, there were moments. It was exciting to tell the stories for the first time, how they actually happened, but it was also, there were moments of reflection where I was like, wow, man, how did it go there? How did it. Where was. I don't want to say, like, you know, where was someone to step in and, you know, tap me on the shoulder and pull the train back into the station. There were a few moments where that. That could have happened. And I. But I don't know if I would have been receptive to it, you know, but. Yeah, no, some of the anger did come out of, you know, telling these stories in detail as they occurred, but still, like, it didn't. This could have been a three page chapter and not 25 one, you know.
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Is that your home where you are right now?
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Correct, yeah.
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Do you have any of your memorabilia? I remember you saying you. You knew you had too much memorabilia when you had a Ted Williams Away jersey or something in your underwear drawer.
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It was a 41 road jersey. How about that? How about that? And back then, I think they had like one, you know, home.
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Yeah.
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And one road jersey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's. It was right next to my underwear drawer. It. There wasn't a case built yet for it. I'd run out of wall and hallway space, you know, But I knew in that moment, yeah, I have. I've. I've arrived at a place of hoarding, and that's not. That's. That's. That's not good. That helps no one.
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Do you have any of that memorabilia around?
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I don't. I don't.
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You sold it.
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I. I did, yeah. Do you remember Josh Evans? Josh? Leland Evans from Leland's, the big auction house?
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Y. He sadly passed away like four or five years ago, and. But he. He put together the Charlie Sheen auction, but it didn't include the Ruth contract and the Ruth ring. I think that was done separate of that, you know, or from that.
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Any part of you ever wish you weren't an actor or hadn't become an actor?
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Yeah, yeah. There's been. There's been moments where I've had those feelings, I've had those thoughts and just tried to imagine what any of it would have looked like without that, because.
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It kind of gave you a hall pass. You were really good at your craft. But because of that, then it opened doors and windows and, you know, everything, but.
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Oh, yeah, no, it was, it was, it was. It was, you know, all access.
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A
Yeah.
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Backstage and then some. But it. Yeah, but it's. I think, you know, one of the central themes of the book is that it's all about choices, you know, and it's like, I'll be out in the world and people will say, you know, they'll see like a lot of attention in photos and autographs, stuff like that. And they'll say, does this ever bother you? And I say, well, you know, if I. If I don't want to be bothered, the solution to that is don't leave your house. Right. And then I. And then the other side of that is, you know, you worry about the day they stop coming up. Right.
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Yeah.
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So just sort of on. On the. On. On the choices front, you know, All Access is. Is. Is an amazing place to wind up, but it's just then it's. It's on the person to then navigate the stuff to embrace and the stuff to not do that with, you know, and I sort of went for all of it, you know.
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Was there an actor who outpartied you.
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C
That'S still alive?
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Well, they. Hopefully they're not dead because of out partying you, but.
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C
Right, right, right.
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Like a musician or an actor who out party do I Think there would.
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C
There would more likely be a rock star. You mean that? I actually saw that with my own eyes. We partied together and I had to.
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A
You tapped out.
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C
I called it a night. He kept going. You know, there was actually one guy. There was one guy, and it's just. It's socks because, you know, he ultimately got clean and then died in a fricking car crash outside of Vegas. And that was Sam Kenison. Sam would. You couldn't. Couldn't keep up with him. You know, it was. Yeah, there were nights when I was like, all right, buddy, thank you. This is amazing. These last four days have been amazing, but I'm gonna. I'm gonna go sleep for about 70 hours and he'd still be going, you.
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A
Know, he's Charlie Sheen. The New York Times best selling book, a book of Sheen, Netflix documentary, AKA Charlie Sheen are both out now. Give me the movie role that kind of represents you, who you really are.
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C
In a film that I was in or somebody else's movie that you were in.
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Like, what role did you not really have to play a role?
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C
I think the. The closest example would be Two and a Half Men. I know you said film.
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A
Yeah, but that's.
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C
I think. I think that's the one that really borrowed from. Just a lot of. Borrowed from the fun stuff, didn't borrow from the dangerous, crazy stuff.
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You know, how do you apologize when. Or do you. Or can you apologize?
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C
Yeah, and this is not trying to be cute, but hopefully and most of the time in person. In person. And it's funny, I was just talking to a buddy of mine about this just the other day, and I told him that we can't insist, we can't determine other people's timelines for them to come to a place to be receptive to, to be open to that, to that message, you know, but it's. It's. There's still people, there's still folks out there that I need to have a sit down with, you know, or just at least get on the phone or, you know, one of these. But for the most part, the. The people in my life who matter the most, that. That's. That, that, that. That's already taken place, and it's an ongoing process, you know, but even in.
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A
The documentary, your brother talks fondly about you. The dad stuff is heartbreaking because your. Your dad, he loved you, but he couldn't. He couldn't get you. And that. That's kind of what hit me pretty hard. There is. You're right there in front of him. And he can't really do anything about it.
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C
Yeah, yeah. That was one of the. One of the. One of the moments for me watching it. I. I think I say in the doc, I can't imagine being my dad.
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Yeah.
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You know, and then, you know, people are asking, well, why wasn't he in it? Right. And he watched a rough cut of the first episode, and he was over the moon about it and super supportive, and he was honored and flattered that, you know, how we included him. And he said, look, I'm already in it. I don't need to, you know, give a. Give. You know, today's commentary on all that stuff. It's, It's. It's better telling the story like that.
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You know, more likely to do a sequel to Major League or Wall Street.
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Major League. Major League, yeah. In fact, it's interesting not to. Not to get out over my skis with this, but there has been a dialogue about it as, as.
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As you've been out over your skis a long time, Charles. That's true.
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C
That's true. Yeah, it was.
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Yeah. So you got a script in the making here or an idea for.
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C
No, no. But there's. There's. There's a new. There's a company involved that is. That is very interested that I'm already in business with, with the doc, so that's. That. That could deliver something I think the fans have been waiting for for a long time. And don't worry, I'm not going to be a player. I would show up in the. In the capacity of coach or manager or, you know, a pitching coach or something. But now it's interesting. This was just discussed yesterday.
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Do you still throw? Do you still take batting practice? You do any of that?
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C
Got it. Kind of a. I got it. I got a bad shoulder I'm dealing with. There's a thing that Tony, Todd and I do on our birthday, his and mine, every year, where we throw without dropping a single toss. We throw the amount of tosses that equals our age. So it's been this thing, and we hope to one day, you know, count to 100.
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You're lucky to have Tony in your life.
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C
I am. I am.
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A
Yeah. It probably kept you alive a few times.
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C
Yeah. But he was just always knowing that he was, you know, either right down the hall or right at the next table or at the table or just, you know, along for that part of the journey. No, it was, it was. It was. It was. It was a lovely security blanket, and I don't want to reduce him to that because he was, is. Was in those moments. So much more than that. But it was, it was, it was, it was a comforting energy.
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Great to talk to you again. Good luck with the book and stay happy.
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C
That's great advice and I'm going to follow it.
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And once again, don't do crack and drink chocolate milk.
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Noted. Noted. And you have my word.
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Thank you, Charlie.
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Right on. Thanks, dad. I appreciate it. Be well.
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The book is the book of Sheen and his Netflix documentary, aka Charlie Sheen. Both are out now. Wow. 14 years ago and he had no recollection of it, but he looked good. Look refreshed and hopefully he can get some jobs, start acting again. What a wild ride. Wow. We'll take a break. We'll get phone calls. Coming up, we'll talk some football preview the weekend in the NFL. Kurt Warner will stop by. We're back after this and Patrick show. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.
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Hey, this is Matt Jones.
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And I'm Drew Franklin. And this is NFL Cover Zero. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week, that is exactly what you're gonna get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game.
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What was that?
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Looks like something that should not be sold.
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Oh, my.
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So that was my other big Colts takeaway. Sold that. Yes. Might want to go back at the Colts stadium.
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Yeah, I might want to go back.
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To the drawing board on that. Yeah. I thought the shape we had with pretzels was working pretty well for generations. We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year. And let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73. He is a young 73. He is spry. I wouldn't fight him.
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I would listen NFL Cover Zero with.
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Matt Jones and Drew Frank on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast.
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Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential.
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I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face when you Think about emotion regulation. Like, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it, if it's going to be beneficial to you. Because it's easy to just say, like, go blank yourself, right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore, to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just, like, walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denial is easier. Drinking is easier. Yelling, screaming is easy. Complex problem solving, meditating, you know, takes effort.
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Listen to the psychology podcast on the.
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Iheartradio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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But the humility in knowing that life is this classroom that we should never graduate from is what is going to keep you growing, and that's all that matters. World Mental Health Day is around the corner. And on my podcast, Just heal with the Dr. J, I dive into what it really means to care for your.
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Mind, body and spirit. From breaking generational patterns to building emotional.
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Capacity, Healing is a journey and wholeness is the destination.
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I'm gonna walk away feeling very healed and feeling like, yes, I'm gonna continue my healing journey and I'm gonna get.
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Some keys from you.
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Listen to just Hill with Dr. J from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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December 29, 1975. LaGuardia Airport.
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The holiday rush.
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Parents hauling luggage.
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Kids gripping their new Christmas toys.
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Then at 6:33pm everything changed.
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There's been a bombing at the TWA terminal.
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Apparently the explosion actually impelled metal glass.
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The injured were being loaded into ambulances. Just a chaotic, chaotic scene.
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In its wake, a new kind of enemy emerged, and it was here to stay. Terrorism.
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Law and criminal justice system is.
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Back in season two. We're turning our focus to a threat that hides in plain sight that's harder to predict and even harder to stop.
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Listen to the new season of law and criminal justice System on the iHeartRadio.
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App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I just think the process and the journey is so delicious. That's where all the good stuff is. You just can't live and die by the end result. It's scary putting yourself out there, especially when it's something you really care about and something that you hope is your passion in life and you want people to like it. Let's get delicious and put ourselves out there. I'm Simone Boyce, host of the Bright side. And those were my recent guests, comedian Phoebe Robinson and writer Aaron Foster. On this show, I'm talking to the brightest minds in entertainment, health, wellness and pop culture. And every week we're going places in our communities, our careers and ourselves. It's not about being perfect. It's about going on a journey and discovering the bright side of becoming. Few people know that better than soccer legend Ashlyn Harris. It's the journey, it's the people, it's.
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The failures, it's the heartache, it's the little moments.
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These are our moments to laugh, learn and exhale. So join me every Monday and let's.
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Find the bright side together.
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Listen to the bright side on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Broncos and the Eagles, two of the league's best defenses go head to head. Vandy at Alabama. Rematch. Who would have thought? A rematch. Diego Pavia is back for Vandy. I think they're ten and a half point underdogs, Texas and Florida. Well, the Mannings don't usually do well against Florida and oh, no, this is Arches. Well, Peyton didn't do well against Florida. I don't know how Eli did, but it'll be interesting. Texas and Florida. Texas is a 4 1/2 point favorite in this game. Does Vegas know something that we don't know? Miami vs. Florida State, top tier quarterback matchup. Carson Beck and Thomas Castellanos. Also the baseball. Yankees, Blue Jays, Tigers, Mariners, Cubs, Brewers, Dodgers, Phillies. That is sliding into the weekend, brought to you by the great folks at Kings Hawaiian. Yes, Paul. Remember a game we talked about a couple months ago that we thought would be big?
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Clemson at North Carolina, noon on ESPN.
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Clemson favored by 13 and a half. This is a cleanup day for Bill.
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Belichick, though he could clean up the entire month of September. Number.
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And what if Clemson loses this game? Yeah. Yikes. Bill needs a big win. Big win. There's still reports out there he got engaged, that he's engaged. I'm like, all right. I don't know if they've announced it, celebrated it. You know, it's like a Taylor Swift, Travis Kelsey type announcement. Although Taylor's new book, our new album, what is it? Showgirl. Life of a Showgirl. Yeah, I think it dropped last night. There's a lot of she's in love. There's a. There's a lot of references to love in there. You know, usually it's about a scorned X and there's a couple of them in There, I think. Yes, Marvin.
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So we don't have to ask what you're doing this weekend.
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I am going to be driving to Maine and I will listen to the album. I mean, I'm still trying to process Folklore in its entirety and how this happens. I just. Who knew that she was going to drop another album there? But she's in love now. I think this one's more about friends. It seems like she's going after all of her ex friends rather than ex boyfriends. Well, I think that's at least my early analysis is that I think Blake Lively probably catches some strays, and then Joe Alwyn, her former. I think he might catch some strays in here. You're breaking this down. Yes, I am. You're like Jaworski in NFL films at one point. I think there's a lyric that refers to Travis Kelsey as a redwood. I. I think the name of the song is wood. There's some lyrics in there that are a little sexual parental advisory. Yeah. Yes. You have Paul. You could rhyme a lot of things.
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With Kelsey, and that's an easy jealousy. You can make that work. You could have some fun with that.
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Or would. Yeah. I saw somebody say that it's like Taylor Swift hit Travis Kelsey's factory reset button. Oh. The other day. Yeah. That is true. Yes. With this whole. His whole. Everything has shifted. Yeah. Upon meeting her with what he normally orders when he goes through the drive through. Got a completely different menu. Like, yeah, somebody hit his factory reset buttons. All of a sudden his hair's parted. The hell. Yes, Marvin. Yes.
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You could tell who he's dating by just the way he looks.
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Oh, yeah.
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Like, oh, okay, Taylor, now.
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Khakis, huh? Yes. With sleeves on and completing sentences. Hawaiian shirts.
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Okay.
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Yes, Todd, the world would be a much better place if we use music.
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To express our animosity or our differences.
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So good for Tayta.
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Thank you, Todd. If only we just used music for.
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Hatred or beefs that we have with one another.
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It's your music that brings about hatred for me. So.
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Yes, that's true.
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That'll be the exception, by the way. Rhyme time. Todd is going to bring that to you next hour. Rhyme time. How about who had the best week in sports? Todd. The best week in sports. I'm going to go with the New York Yankees after yesterday's performance and their rookie pitcher dominating in that kind of environment in a winner take all situation. I'll give it to the Bronx Bombers. You got to be careful when you pronounce his name. His last name.
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That's why I avoided that.
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I know Cam Schlitter, Seaton, who had the best week in sports. Well, you're going to hate this, but I'm going to say it's Nashville sc, the MLS team. They won the US Open cup, which is, I think their first ever major championship. And I don't know that the city of Nashville has ever had a major championship. And this does count as a major championship, believe it or not.
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Not.
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I'm going Nashville sc. Let's go, Marvin. Best week in sports. I got the Detroit Tigers.
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After losing the AL Central. After an awful month and a half, they come back, they beat the Guardians, and now they advance to the ALDS.
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Paul, recency bias.
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I'm gonna go.
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Mac Jones, you're 3 and O as a starter.
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Six touchdowns, one pick.
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You're 27 years old.
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Even if you don't play much the rest of the season, you have new.
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Juice in your career. You may get another shot to run a franchise.
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Guys.
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Yeah, he's played well, so I didn't think there would be much of a drop off. He's very similar to Brock Purdy. But if you know Brock Purdy fell into your lap and Mac Jones did, too. Credit the 49ers there with all the injuries and you beat the Rams in Los Angeles and you know that. I don't know if that's one of those games you look back on and you go, man, that cost them whatever. Because we tend to look at the games and the results at the end of a season and go, oh, my gosh. Because of that, they didn't know there's games prior to that. Could be the first month of the season where you lose a game or there's a tie. Yes, marvin.
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And for 49ers fans, we're probably all thinking like I am, we probably should have had this guy all along.
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Mac Jones.
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We took Trey Lance instead of Mac Jones.
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But then you wouldn't have Brock Purdy.
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Tomato, tomato.
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Final hour coming up. Kurt Warner, speaking of quarterbacks, will join us. More of your phone calls as well. Two hours in the books, one more to go on this meat Friday. Introducing the U rules of value from Burger King and you. Rule number one, you choose food you actually want. There's seven tasty options, so try the $5 Duo or $7 Trio. Choose your deal. Price and participation vary. Lessonly, no substitutions. Restrictions apply.
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Hey, this is Matt Jones.
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And I'm Drew Franklin and this is NFL Cover Zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective, a bit little, little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game.
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What was that? Oh, my.
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We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week, that is exactly what you're gonna get.
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Do we really need another podcast with a condescending finance bro trying to tell us how to spend our own money?
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No, thank you.
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Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you.
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Won'T hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan. Join us all season long as we ride the rollercoaster of this ridiculous sport. Listen to the Solid Verbal College Football.
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Podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts.
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Or wherever you get your podcasts. We don't just love college football, Ty. We live it.
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What's up everybody? It's snacks from the Trap nerds. And all October long, we're bringing you the horror.
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Boogity boogity boogity. We kicking off this up with some.
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Of my best horror games to keep you terrified.
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Then we'll be talking about our favorite.
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Horror and Halloween movies and figuring out why black people always die first.
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And it's the return of Tony's horror.
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Show side Quest, written and narrated by yours truly.
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We'll also be doing a full episode reading with commentary, and we'll cap it.
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Off with a horror movie Battle Royale. Open your free I Heart Radio app and search Trap Nerds podcast and listen.
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Now this is an iHeart podcast.