B (2:09)

And we're not just lawyers. We're also husband and wife. It makes for some pretty entertaining episodes.

A (2:14)

Listen to Legally Brunette on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

C (2:21)

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio Hour 2 on this Friday. It's a meat Friday. We have beef, Shepherd's pie, elk Shepherd's pie, and French onion soup. Who has it better than we do?

B (2:36)

Nobody.

C (2:37)

Stat of the Day brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the program. Hughes your daddy amongst the T shirts available at the Dan Patrick store. DanPatrick.com we'll get to More phone calls. Coming up. We'll update our poll results and we'll talk to Daniel Jeremiah, draft analyst for NFL Network. And he has been all over. Arm length at the combine. We measured our arms yesterday. The length of our arms. Armageddon will be revealed coming up next hour. The results are sealed and nobody knows what they are. This might be Marvin's comeback. Small hands. The smallest hands on the staff and maybe you can save face.

D (3:25)

A man can dream.

C (3:26)

Yes, it does. It, it doesn't mean as much when you say I've got long arms.

D (3:35)

Wait, wait, no, no, no, no.

C (3:37)

Not, not in here at the combine. But if you, you say, hey, I got really long arms. And then when you get to the end of them, you'll see my really small hands have a really long torso. Okay. Yeah, I have that, man. You got a long torso. Thank you. Already 8773 DP show. We taking any wagers on arm length? You got any. You got any thoughts, Dan? I'm trying to think who might be sneaky. I should have the longest arms, but I'm not. I don't know. Would I be bothered if I didn't have the longest arm? Yes, probably. Probably. You feel like you should have the longest arms? Yes, yes, yes, Todd.

D (4:24)

And why would you be bothered by that? Why, why would you feel like that?

C (4:27)

I don't know. I'm just a competitor, Todd.

D (4:30)

But you can't control that. You can't work on that really. Maybe you could stretch a little bit, but you can't significantly change, you know, body part.

C (4:37)

Well, God. Guys end up stretching their hands before they're measured.

D (4:41)

You can.

C (4:42)

Yes, yes. They have, they have exercises to.

B (4:46)

Damn.

D (4:46)

No one told me.

B (4:48)

Sorry.

D (4:49)

Late to the party there.

C (4:50)

Sorry, Marvin. Yes, Paul?

B (4:51)

Yeah, the athletic did a thing about it a couple years ago around the combine that players were using this little, like, I guess you'd call it a rack to spread your fingers out hours. Yeah, go with it where you want, but moments before the combine.

C (5:05)

All right, so we'll go to the combine. Coming up. Also, Robert Ori Oreo. Seven time NBA championship. And you know, we were, Marvin and I were chopping this up a little bit. Michael Cooper is in the basketball hall of Fame and I think that's an ensemble selection that he played with the great Showtime Lakers. He was usually matched against Larry Bird. He was a, you know, defensive guy, lockdown defender, but he wasn't a starter. I don't think. I don't know how often he started, but he certainly contributed a lot of. And Then you start to think, okay, Robert Horry was part of Showtime. He's got a great nickname, Big Shot Bob. Came off the bench, played with the Rockets with their titles. He's got seven titles, Duncan, Spurs. I mean, he played with these great teams, but maybe because he didn't play with one team like Draymond Green is going to be a Hall of Famer because it's part of the ensemble. You know, Michael Cooper, I don't know what he averaged. I just know when he was on the floor, he made the Lakers better. But he's in the hall of Fame, and I'm fine with that. I just, I'm curious that you got a guy who won seven titles, contributed to those teams and has the nickname Big Shot Bob and you're not a Hall of Famer. Yes, Todd.

D (6:30)

No one will ever say Robert or led, you know, his teams to seven NBA titles. But by the same token, no one will ever say, in spite of Robert Horry, those teams won seven champions championships. If it's even somewhere in the middle. And he had those big shots. I don't know how it's taking this long for him to get in the Hall.

C (6:45)

Yeah, I, I'm just. I'm a little bit perplexed sometimes. And I did hear from somebody with the Basketball hall of Fame yesterday, and this person thought I was calling out the Basketball hall of Fame, where I was just trying to shed light on why isn't Christian Laitner in or Digger Phelps in. And I was told by somebody who will remain anonymous that the Basketball hall of Fame will lean towards NBA and international play more than it will college. And I'd not heard that before. So there's a College Basketball hall of Fame, and it feels like, well, that's where Christian Laettner will be featured or Digger Phelps will be featured. Now, you do have Jim Boeheim and Mike Krzyzewski. They're in the Basketball hall of Fame and Springfield, Mass. But it. That should be something that you're told or were told that, look, this is really about international play in the NBA, because then that would make sense to me. And then I would stop, you know, campaigning for Leitner and, you know, now Digger Phelps. So I don't know if that makes sense to people, but that's what was told to me yesterday. And I went, okay, yes, Marvin.

D (8:07)

So right now it's just Sonny Vaccaro is on your list.

C (8:09)

Sonny.

D (8:09)

They made a movie about. About what he did.

C (8:12)

Sonny Vaccaro with what he did. But that's college basketball. That it's more about college basketball with Sonny Vaccaro. So maybe it's the College Basketball hall of Fame.

D (8:22)

Well, no, not necessarily. Because remember the movie Air about Sonny Vaccaro was getting Michael Jordan to sign as a pro with Nike.

C (8:30)

Yes, but then Michael has kind of moved towards George Raveling being more important than Sonny Vaccaro, which isn't. That's not true. I've known sonny for probably 35 years and I've heard all the stories, everything that went on. Him and Michael, close friends, Sonny's wife Pam, you know. So do I think Sonny was the one who was instrumental with Michael over George Raveling, the former coach, the late coach? Yes, I do. But he was instrumental in getting coaches paid product into the hands of the players and even down into the high school ranks as well. But I hope that Sonny, while he's still alive, gets an opportunity to be in the Basketball hall of Fame. Yes, Paulie.

B (9:18)

Going back to Laitner, I'm on the Naismith Memorial Basketball hall of Fame website and their criteria says consideration is not limited to the NBA. It includes international, collegiate and Olympic achievements. Laitner has a top five college career of all time, fair to say, and a nice pro career. And a Dream teamer. Yeah, it doesn't seem like it should

C (9:39)

be this tough, but he doesn't get credit for being a dream Teamer because they didn't need Christian Laettner with the Dream Team. But he was, you know, they put him on the team. But I, you know, once again, this was told to me yesterday, first time I ever heard that, that the Basketball hall of Fame will lean towards international play, which would include the Olympics and also the NBA. And that's not something that Christian Laitner, you know, was in, was instrumental in. Oh, it's tricky when it comes to these halls of fame. But if I look at Robert Horry winning seven titles, this isn't like Steve Kerr winning all of his titles because he wasn't an instrumental player, even a great role player. Now, he did have moments with the Bulls, but he won titles and he was with a couple of different franchises winning these titles. Robert Horry contributed. Like, what's Michael Cooper's numbers? What are, what are career averages? Let's start with points.

B (10:39)

Michael Cooper was on the Lakers from 78 to 90 his entire career. 12 seasons. He started 94 of 873 games. He was a pure bench guy, but he was top five for defensive player of the Year seven different times and won it once. His stats, he averaged nine points a game. Four assists, three rebounds, couple steals.

C (11:02)

Yeah. And if you're going to put Ben Wallace in there, even though Ben started for the Pistons, Rudy Gobert is going to be a Hall of Famer, four time defensive player of the year. So when it comes to hall of Fame, you know, what are you focusing on? Is it the full, like a total player or. He did this really, really well. He played defense really well. That's what we're doing with Ben Wallace, Rudy Gobert and Michael Cooper. They played defense really, really well. Yes, Paulie.

B (11:36)

Robert Hori had a nice career. In the regular season, he started about half the time average, like eight points a game for his career. Nice shooter. But his Postseason, he's got two titles with Houston, three with the Lakers, two with San Antonio. He did it from age 23 to 36. And in all of those playoff series, I'm looking at all of them, he played significant minutes. He wasn't just along for the ride.

C (11:58)

And he's got a great nickname, Big Shot Bob. I mean, you don't get that nickname unless you've hit big shots. He earned it. Yeah. It's not like, hey, I took big shots. I missed him, but, you know, my nickname is Big Shot Bob. He made big shots. Yes.

D (12:14)

Todd, would anybody visiting the hall of Fame, if they saw Robert or there for even for a split second, say, really? Or what? What is he doing here? I can't imagine anybody questioning that.

C (12:21)

I don't think they would.

D (12:24)

Anything would be the other way. It's like, about time. I was here a few years ago. I didn't see him. Finally, they put him in there.

C (12:30)

Seven titles. Seven titles. All right, Seaton poll question from hour one. What's our two dang big shot? I still, I'm. Man, I love that every time we have him on, we do this, we go, why aren't he in the hall of Fame? He's the best. I mean, what a career. I know. He's. I know. Gosh, man. How much of the NFL combine do you watch most? Some or none. Right now, none has 72% of the vote. That is shocking. It's kind of hard.

A (12:56)

None.

C (12:56)

To not see some of it. I mean, I, I'm not fixated on it, but I, like, I'm curious, you know, if. If you know, you're watching, you know, I don't want to watch defensive linemen or offensive lineman, although Seaton does. Seaton's like, man, I love watching those big guys run. Oh, my gosh. The best. The, The. How athletic. The, like, yesterday was offensive Lineman. Those dudes are so athletic. It's insane how well they move him to be that big and move that well. Fascinating. But remember that Alabama offensive lineman who ran with his shirt off? Oh, yeah. That's not good. Yeah, no, no names. It looked like a mudslide. I like the confidence. Yeah. There are people that'll take off their shirt, and you're like, man, you're really. It's like wearing a speedo, you know? You're like, all right, you got some confidence. I like the confidence. Yeah. I don't have it personally, but I like it. I like to see it on other people.

B (13:52)

Confidence.

C (13:53)

Yeah.

B (13:54)

Yeah.

C (13:54)

Take your shirt. Well, Todd, there was a time when. Todd, it was rare if you had your shirt on when you were, you know, like, 19 years of age.

D (14:02)

Now I'm the guy that goes in the pool with his T shirt. I was like, that guy, like, that camper that's, like, really overweight.

C (14:07)

Do you wear a T shirt in the pool?

D (14:08)

I don't. I should, but I don't. I make sure there's no one else around the pool. Then when everyone's gone, then I could take the T shirt off.

C (14:15)

Yes, Marvin.

D (14:17)

Well, I take my shirt off because I know there's somebody with a worse body than mine.

C (14:21)

Really?

D (14:22)

Oh, yeah.

C (14:23)

But you make sure you stand by that guy.

D (14:27)

No, no, I just, you know, backstroke and breaststroke and. Oh, that guy has way worse than I do.

C (14:34)

Buddha in San Francisco. Good morning, Buddha. Nobody happy me Friday, boys. Let's go, Fritzy.

B (14:46)

Dan. Only one show in America can break down planks from college hoops courts.

C (14:54)

Worse sounds in sports, arm length, and just generally trying to explain Fritzi and his dynamic.

B (15:01)

If that doesn't win us an Emmy, I don't know what will. Dan. I don't know what will.

C (15:06)

Thank you, Buddha. Thank you. Thank you. By the way, we have a new podcast. It's called the Todcast, and it's all about Todd. It's Todd Unplugged. He recorded. And I. I will say, if you're going to listen, make sure you listen. And you don't have maybe your wife or kids in the car.

B (15:27)

Disclaimer.

C (15:28)

Yes, I would have a disclaimer. Yes, definitely. I'm going to wait to play a portion of the Todcast a little bit later on this hour, but I'm going to prepare you for this. I'm rarely shocked with time. I clued Paulie in on what we're going to play. Paulie, your reaction?

B (15:55)

I said to you, is this real?

C (15:56)

Yes, I'm going to play it in about a half hour from now. And it's, it's worth, it's worth staying in your car, being late to work, although you may be mad at me after you hear it. But Todd was Todd was Todd. You know that. And once again, that's the one question, the overriding question I always get, is Todd really like that? And the answer is yes. Yes. And that's what makes him, you know, invaluable to this show. There's no other show that has somebody like Todd, but we decided that he has so much to say and maybe not the time to say it on the show that we would give him his own podcast. So it's available. DanPatrick.com it's about 45 minutes, but the words per minute, it is rapid fire. And there was a moment yesterday that made me go and I thought I knew everything about Toddler. So that's about a half hour from now. You've been prepared. Whether you keep your radio on, your TV on or you don't, you've been warned. We'll have that for you. We'll head to the combine coming up next here. DAN PATRICK SHOW Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app. Hey is Cabino and Rich from Fox Sports Radio. Now, in addition to hearing us live weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, we're excited to announce a brand new YouTube channel for the show. Yup, that's right. You can now watch Covino and rich live on YouTube every all you gotta do. Search Covino and Rich FSR on YouTube again. Go to YouTube. Search Covinoenrich FSR. Check us out on YouTube. Subscribe hit that thumbs up icon and comment away.

B (17:49)

Segregation in the day, integration at night.

A (17:54)

When segregation was the law, one mysterious black club owner had his own rules. We didn't worry about what was going on outside.

B (18:02)

It was like stepping in another world.

A (18:05)

Inside Charlie's place, black and white people danced together. But not everyone was happy about it. You saw the kkk. Yeah, they was dressed up in their uniform. The KKK set out to raid Charlie, take him away from here.

C (18:22)

Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush him.

A (18:30)

From Atlas Obscura, Rococo Punch and visit Myrtle beach comes Charlie's Place, a story that was nearly lost to time. Until now. Listen to Charlie's place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts on June 11, 1998, a deputy from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing. It's an all out manhunt for John Ajay. Every search and rescue team in LA county has been called in to help. Within days tips started flooding into the sheriff's department. They ruler around the drug scene. Was that a deputy was taken care of. Is this the story of a man who just got lost in the desert? Or of a cover up inside the nation's largest sheriff's department?

C (19:19)

A homicide captain saying detective, do not

D (19:23)

find out if this guy's guilty or innocent.

B (19:25)

Who does that?

A (19:27)

Valley of Shadows, a new series from Pushkin Industries about crime and corruption in California's high desert. Do you have any advice for us while looking into this disappearance?

B (19:39)

I wouldn't do it alone.

A (19:42)

Listen to Valley of shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Ana Navarro and on my new podcast Bleep with Ana Navarro, I'm talking to the people closest to the biggest issues happening in your community and around the world. Because I know deep down inside right now we are all cursing and asking what the BLEEP is going on. I'm talking to people like Julie K. Brown who broke the explosive story on Jeffrey Epstein in 2018. These victims have been let down time and time again for decades and decades and decades by local law enforcement, by federal law enforcement, by administration after administration. The Justice Department through I think we counted four presidential administrations failed these victims. Listen to Bleep with Ana Navarro as part of the My Cultura Podcast Network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This season on Dear Chelsea with me, Chelsea Handler. We've got some incredible guests like Kumail Nanjiani. Let's start with your cat. How is she?

B (20:56)

She is not with us anymore.

A (20:58)

Okay, great, great, great way to start. So this is a great beginning and hopefully you'll be able to, I don't know, maybe you will cry. Amanda Seyfried Life is so short. If you feel something like that, you have that fire in you for this experience. It's not for a guy. It's for the experience of being in love and like it's bigger than a guy. Elizabeth Olsen I love swimming naked so much and I know you love taking pictures of yourself. I love to be naked. I just want to be in my bra underwear all the time. Ross Matthews. You know what kids always say to me? Are you a boy or a girl? Oh my God, all the time. I know. So I'm always like, hi. I try to butch it up for kids. Kids, you know, so they're not confused. Yeah, but you're butching it up. It's basically like an angry woman. Doris Day, right? No, I turn into Bea Arthur. Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

C (21:52)

We are calling it Armageddon. We will reveal our arm length coming up next hour. What's social media's response to Armageddon? Seaton? Well, this dude just dropped an absolute hammer, like, emotionally says Aaron Crowder just wrote on social media. If Marvin has long arms, his dreams are within reach. He just can't grab them. Wow, man, that's deep. That is deep.

D (22:23)

I'm really tired of this.

C (22:24)

Are you okay?

D (22:25)

No, no.

C (22:27)

Okay.

B (22:28)

No, no.

D (22:29)

I thought I was gonna have a good Friday, but I guess not. No combine for me.

C (22:33)

Daniel Jeremiah covering the combine for NFL Network and of course, the Move the Sticks podcast. NFL Network's live coverage of the combine continues today through Sunday. Armageddon. Oh, my goodness. Daniel releasing all this information. Short arms and what does it really mean?

B (22:55)

Fun. Fun times is what it means, Dan. That's what it means. It means fun times for all because we've graduated from hand size to arm size. I think we're making progress as a society.

C (23:04)

Okay, but where are we going after this? Well,

B (23:12)

I'm not going to touch that one.

C (23:13)

Just going to say, literally not going to. But does it really matter about the now, let's say a defensive lineman as opposed to an offensive lineman that like be actual actually serious about this. Does it matter how much?

B (23:27)

Yeah, it doesn't. And I didn't want to just have my opinion, so I reached out to two of the defensive coordinators there of top five defenses in the league. So guys, I respect that, know what they're doing. And I said, what's the biggest issue with it? And they said, yeah, look, there are issues with it. And some of it is, you know, you can't get off blocks. You know, that's. You can just get. They're going to hold you, they're going to grab it. You can't use your length to escape and get off blocks. There's something to the ability to kind of finish. They look at as, you know, finishing on some of these bigger quarterbacks that could come into play. But then my follow up question was, well, obviously it's not a death sentence, so what do you need to have to overcome it you know, if it's not ideal, but what do you need to have? Because to me, I've always just felt like if you can play with leverage and power and strength, you can, you can get away with it. And they said, no, absolutely. You got to beat blocks with your feet, more with your hands, which sounds kind of simple, but it is. You got to be able to have, like, lower power to generate to get through guys, or you got to be able to win with. With your quickness. There's guys who maybe aren't as quick or as fast, but they're so good with their arms and so good with their hands, and they're able to get off blocks that way. There's just more ways to do it.

C (24:33)

But more important for an offensive lineman to have longer orange or defensive lineman,

B (24:39)

I would say offensive lineman. I just think when you're an offensive lineman and guys can constantly get to your surface, I think that's. That makes your job a lot harder. And that's from. Look, I, you know, I cut my teeth in the league watching Jonathan Ogden and I'm like, I mean, you could have put a fresh coat of paint on the front of his jersey and there, no, no handprints, because nobody could ever get to him.

C (24:59)

I don't know if it came up last year or the year before with Will Campbell or, you know, his arm length or lack thereof. Was it a big deal, the fact that he was a top five pick?

B (25:10)

Yeah, but I'd have to go back. I mean, to me, like, I think Parsons was 31 and a half. I think what was jarring is that when you get to 31 and you start getting below, like, Cassius Howell is below 31 inches, like, like that's something we just don't. Don't see a lot of. But I was, I was joking around with one of my former GM buddies and he was, we were just talking about this and laughing because he was telling a story about how they had an offensive lineman that they liked, but he didn't run a good 40 at the combine and he didn't run a good 40 at the pro day set. So they liked him. So they just kept sending different scouts out there to time him on a 40 until they eventually got one that they like. See, we know he's going to run. Nothing wrong with this guy. You know, we used to do it, you know, hand side, arm length or hand size. And like, I was scout on the west coast for a period of time, and so if there was a quarterback, maybe his hands were a Little undersized or what have you. And, like, guys would get together like, hey, guys, all of us have big grades on this player. We're all taking crap back at our home teams in these draft meetings. Like, whatever we got to do to get that thing stretched out when we measure this thing. Let's do ourselves a favor here.

C (26:13)

But his hand size important at this year's combine?

B (26:17)

No, we've had no hand size debate, but the quarterbacks haven't got.

C (26:20)

Okay, well, why don't we focus on the wide receivers with their hands?

B (26:26)

Well, yeah, it'll come up. I mean, just if there's a correlation between the drops and then he's got small hands. But, you know, that's not. It's not nearly as prevalent as the quarterback discussion. But I always go back to this stuff with my. The way I look at, like, Ruben Bane. So if I watch a player and I don't know any of his measurables, you know, if I don't, if I haven't documented in my notes and I've gone through four or five games and I've, you know, watched a bunch of tape on him and I don't have concerns about it, then I'm not going to be as worried about it. If his measurements come in low, what would be concerning? Is there, like, Cassius Howe maybe a little bit more. So where. There's times with him where I see he play a little bit small at times when he gets into guys, he can't get off of them. I've seen Bane get engaged and be able to free himself, whereas Cassius Howell, at that point in time, the down might be over. So if I have notes about it as a concern not knowing measurables, and then the measurables come in and kind of confirm your notes, then I think it's valid.

C (27:21)

The Ty Simpson love, I think is going to be coming. We, we. We see this every draft where somebody. We focus on Fernando Mendoza, then we might start looking at negatives with Fernando Mendoza, then we're looking for another quarterback who we can talk about. And Ty Simpson will probably get. It feels like a little bit of love coming up. But compare the two. And with Ty Simpson at Alabama and of course, Mendoza.

B (27:49)

Yeah, I, I think there's a pretty good gap. You know, in my opinion, how I see him, I just. Mendoza, you know, the hard thing about his evaluation, and I've talked about this a little bit, is that, you know, people talk about the RPOs and how quick the ball, you know, comes out. A lot of the Times. Well, spoiler alert. That's college football. That's. That's how a lot of these guys are playing the game. You have to be able to cut through that. So the way I do it and is, you know, you take the whole season, you watch the games you're going to watch. But then I like to go back and look at these situations. Third and seven plus, you're not 37 plus. And every stadium knows you're throwing the football the red zone, where the space is condensed and you got to make more tight throws. I look at endgame situations and then I look in big stage games, you know, big stage moments. And I'm like, Dan, he aces every single one of those tests. Like, he did throw a pick in the red zone. It's like crazy numbers inside the red zone. You look at him when everybody in the stadium knows they're throwing the ball and okay, sometimes it can be a little back shoulder heavy. And he gets criticized for that. I'm like, I don't know, I keep throwing it to. They can't, they can't cover those receivers on the outside when he pinpoints the ball on their back shoulder. But I've seen him fit balls in tight spaces. He's big, he can move. If you need him to get some free yards, he can take them. With Ty, I like, like Ty is someone who I, in my opinion, I think a lot of former quarterbacks are going to take to him because he's the son of a coach. Everything from a mechanical standpoint is beautiful and flawless. Like, great feet, nice delivery. He does not have a huge arm. There's times. And their offensive line is not a traditional Alabama offensive line. They didn't have the traditional benefits that you'd have in that program. So there was a lot of bodies around him and I thought there were times he just got. He looked small. The ball was coming out of his hand. He looked like he was thrown out of a. Well, the ball would kind of take off on him. So I like him. He's my 40th player. I think he's a second round guy. And I've, you know, if somebody wants to take him in the back of the first round to get the extra year, I can get with that. I just, I don't see him as a top half of the first round, top 15 type pick. And the other reason for that is I think every year you're going to have more Ty Simpsons coming along. Whereas Fernando Mendoza, those guys are a little bit harder to find.

C (29:53)

Talking to Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Network analyst and his podcast, Moving the Sticks. Joining us from the combine, Jeremiah Love. Three down running back.

B (30:05)

Oh, yeah, yeah. He's got elite hands, like route running hands, you know, and all the dynamic stuff that comes along with him in the backfield. He's, he's my second overall player. He's a, he is a very, very talented dude. He's more than just somebody turn around and put in his stomach. Like he can, he can do a lot of different things.

C (30:21)

Yeah. And I don't know, you know, with the success of Jameer Gibbs and Bijan Robinson and, you know, some of these other hybrids, there's of course McCaffrey. I, I would, you know, fell in love with him. Watching him play this year, he was the one playmaker that I thought was different than any other player on the football field. Every single game that he played in. And that's kind of hard to do, but I just felt, you know, he's running it from 90 yards like you're a threat, you're a threat inside your own 10 yard line. And I, But I don't know where's the landing spot for him?

B (30:56)

Well, that's, there's two conversations, right. I mean, we agree on his greatness and how special he is. And then he's my second overall player. And then the next question that follows up is, okay, well, where does he go? And then you start looking at, we saw yesterday with some of those guys to Ohio State. Kids are absolute freaks. So you're looking at guys and you start playing the position priority game, you start looking at needs. But when I say like, where could it start? I mean, I don't think the jets would do it at 2. I think they're kind of. It feels definitely more like a front player, a defensive front player. I would say you could start the conversation at 3 with Arizona and Tennessee. I mean, that's where the conversation would start. But I still think that probably lends more to big guys, to offense and defensive lineman. You know, at this point in time, I would say more so defensive lineman. And then the sweet spot to me is 7, 8, 9. When you look at Washington, New Orleans, Kansas City, I don't think that's, that's a neighborhood he's not going to be able to get out. Of.

C (31:51)

You imagine if he goes to Kansas City.

B (31:54)

You don't know how many times I've heard, I've got that from people in the way they're like, we finally got these guys to not make the playoffs. Please not put Jeremiah Love there.

C (32:03)

If I put Mendoza in the 2024 draft, how many quarterbacks go ahead of him?

B (32:09)

So three for me. So I had it. Caleb, Drake, Jaden, and then I would have him in there. And then you get into, you know, the McCarthy, Pennix. So he would. That's where he would be. But those three guys, I mean, that I had, those guys were outstanding. And we've already seen that kind of bear itself out.

C (32:28)

The Raiders draft strategy, that. Okay, you take Mendoza.

B (32:32)

Yeah.

C (32:34)

I mean, even if you go back to last year, you're taking Genti, but you don't have a good offensive line. You got a really good tackle. And I just wonder, putting Mendoza in a situation like that, do you trust the Raiders? They can fortify that offensive line.

B (32:52)

So here's what I would do, Dan, and maybe it's just symbolic and it'd be kind of funny, but I would want to make my point. If you're in the draft room, you go inside a draft room and now it's a lot more digital. They can display it from a digital display. But when I was doing it, it was Cards. You had the cards up on the wall. So, yeah, the whole left side of the huge wall. Left side is all the defensive players. The right side is all the offensive players. So when, you know, you come in there for your first meeting and maybe you got all your coaches in there for the first time after the season is over, you have the whole draft board up there. I would have a race to the entire defensive side of the board and I would say, apologies to the defensive coaches, but this year we will just be drafting from this side of the board to help our. To help our young quarterback. So, you know, I know, and I think I might even hurt this on your show. Like, it's a good conversation, but, you know, okay, are they equipped right now with where they are to take a quarterback? And, and what I would say is now I think it's. There's proof of concept and recently. Proof of concept. The Bears, I mean, they revamped their. Pretty much their whole O line in one year.

C (33:49)

The.

B (33:49)

The, you know, like, I know it didn't. They didn't play as well as they would have liked in the super bowl. But New England swapped out four starters in one year and advanced all the way to the Super Bowl. I think with free agency, you gotta, you gotta. You're gonna have to overpay because, you know, you're the Raiders and where you are right now, you're going to have to outbid some folks for the Tyler Linderbaums of the world. But I would go all in on trying to get one or two of those guys in free agency. Colton Miller comes back healthy. That's probably the hardest piece to find. And you got a good functional left tackle. And then now we go draft some, some interior guys or right time tackle as well throughout the draft. I, I think they can make it comfortable enough that Mendoza can survive.

C (34:24)

I just don't want another Andrew Luck situation. Yeah, a David car situation.

B (34:30)

I 100% agree with you there, but that's where. That's why, you know, I apologize to my coaches. I've said this for the last few years. On anybody that takes a quarterback high, you have to look, look to the future and just put yourself there and say, okay, at the end of this year, not all 7 and 10 records are the same. If we're 7 and 10 and my quarterback's playing well and we're losing 31 to 28. Dan, like you, your owner, your fan base is going to feel a lot better about that 7 and 10 team than you thumping your chest and saying, we got a top five defense. Don't know if this quarterback's any good and he missed four games. He got the crap kicked out of him. But we got a great defense. Like that's. Those two records are the same, but they are not the same in terms of the hope and the direction of the team.

C (35:13)

Who was the quarterback you loved? But he didn't plan a pan out.

B (35:18)

Oh, gosh, that's. I mean, I'm sure there's a long list. I will say I didn't go into the school when Jamarcus Russell was coming out. I went and saw him play live and I watched this tape. And when I was a young, young scout at that point in time, that was the probably the most talented guy that I ever saw. And it was like, okay, I don't know, all the other stuff, the guys going to school get all the character and the work ethic, all that. But I'd never seen a guy throw a football like that. And I was like this, I don't know how this doesn't work. That guy's. That's insane with the ability that he had. And obviously we know how that worked out.

C (35:47)

Why didn't it work out?

B (35:49)

I think it was probably more the other stuff. You know, just in terms of the focus, he got heavy, you know, the work ethic, I think those were more issues. I'm telling you this day, Dan, it looked like he was throwing a Nerf turbo. Like when you went out there and watched him. It looked like he had that little tiny Nerf turbo that whistled. That whistled when you threw it.

C (36:09)

Would you take a chance on Kyler or tua?

B (36:14)

I think I would do Kyler on that one. I think he's more talented. More talented guy and so. And I've seen him like I've looked to, has had some good moments for sure and he's played well and I think that was. I think it's just very specific, the environment for two to be successful. I think Kyler could be a little more successful in some different circumstances.

C (36:35)

See, the problem I have is he's more talented, but they're both kind of at the same place in their careers where you know that if I'm going to take a chance on him, he does have this talent, but he didn't really showcase it the way he should have. What? Why am I going to be led to believe that he's going to now. Now he's going to be Kyler Murray.

B (36:56)

Well, and the other side of that though is you get to it and all the head injuries.

C (37:00)

Oh, yeah. I don't want either one of them. Yes, yes. I just. If I had to choose between.

B (37:05)

Yeah, yeah. I mean I kind of factoring all of that stuff in together. But I'm just saying, at least, at least with Kyler, I mean, well, you know, maybe we don't have a perfect offensive line. Like he can try and run around and get me out of some stuff with that and he's given me. He just gives me more opportunities. Whereas two, I think you got to have a very firm offensive line. You got to have a track team on the outside and you have, you know, an rpo, quick passing game system very tailored to him.

C (37:30)

You can have Mac Jones or Malik Willis.

B (37:33)

I think I'd want to test out Malik Willis. Yeah, I feel like I know. I know where Mac is, which is. Can be a good thing and a bad thing. Malik. I don't have certainty there, but I'd be excited to just see, just to see what we can do.

C (37:45)

I like him. I. I just think he's going to get that three year, hundred million dollar contract and I, I would be excited if, if my team got Malik Willis. Even if it's the Dolphins or, you know, I don't know if Minnesota, but I don't even. What, what do you hear at the combine on destinations for some of these guys?

B (38:07)

Yeah, I mean, look, it's just you're walking in the halls and people are talking and I don't Know how much you read into this historically over the years, how much of it's accurate. But just a couple of things that you hear was, okay, that, you know, Malik Willis was Arizona, you know, you heard that kicked around. I said he, you know, that could make sense with Arizona. The one that I was heard was interesting was Geno going to Minnesota was one that people were talking about to give him the veteran with. With McCarthy to see where that goes. And then it just seemed to be like there would be a good market for Kirk Cousins. Was the other buzz that you hear. But not tied to any. Not. Not tied to any specific team. But, you know, that was. That was interesting.

C (38:45)

But he's better than Michael Penix. But they moved on from Kurt Cousins.

B (38:49)

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it sounds like that's done. I mean, that's.

C (38:51)

Yeah.

B (38:52)

You know, he's. He's moving on.

C (38:53)

Yeah. Like two weeks. I think he's. He's gone and made 100 million in two years.

B (39:00)

That's good work if you get it.

C (39:01)

Oh, my God. And he's going to get another contract here.

B (39:04)

Yeah. And when he's done with that, he's going to go right into tv.

C (39:09)

Great to talk to you. We'll talk to you soon. Thank you again, Daniel.

B (39:12)

Thanks, buddy.

C (39:13)

That's Daniel Jeremiah. His podcast is moving the sticks. He's the Chargers radio color commentator, former NFL scout, and working for NFL Network. We'll take a break. When we come back, I thought I knew everything about Todd Fritz. Prepare yourself. We have a portion of the ToddCast podcast on DanPatrick.com you won't look at Todd or listen to Todd the way you used to. After this, Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app, search FSR to listen live.

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C (43:59)

Update the poll results. More phone calls. In fact, let's get Andrew from Washington in. Andrew, good morning. What's on your mind?

B (44:07)

Good morning, Dan Dennett. Thanks for having me on. And happy meat Friday. Got a couple of comments and then a stat of the day trivia style. So my first comment is I can see where Todd doesn't understand how Chet

C (44:18)

comes from Chester, but he also is

B (44:20)

the guy that rhymes walk in pork.

C (44:22)

So, you know, his. His vocabulary is a little different. And also, Marvin, I can see why

B (44:26)

you felt guil wife walked in watching the combine.

C (44:30)

The reason being is I've seen some

B (44:32)

clips from the combine.

C (44:33)

One was they're doing stretching drills where one guy pushes another guy's legs over his head to see how far they can go back.

B (44:39)

That would be kind of embarrassing for my wife to walk in on. But my standard trivia style is this. Okay. Cunningham has had four straight games of

C (44:49)

at least 10 assists and two blocks.

B (44:52)

If he does that tonight against the Cavaliers, he'll reach a record that's only

C (44:56)

met one time since the NBA and ABA merger.

B (45:00)

Do you guys know who the other player is?

C (45:02)

The only player to have five straight games of 10 assists and two blocks in consecutive games. What decade?

B (45:11)

The 90s.

C (45:13)

90s? Yes.

B (45:14)

Paulie Hakeem. Elijah.

C (45:16)

One.

B (45:18)

No.

C (45:18)

Marvin Grant Hill? No. Tracy McGrady. Not a star player, but a good name. All right, give us the answer.

B (45:33)

It is Mookie.

C (45:34)

Mookie.

B (45:35)

Mookie Blay.

C (45:36)

Okay, looky, looky, here comes Mookie. Yeah, Here comes. Here comes that what? Stat of the day. Alrighty. Stat of the day. Brought to you by the great folks at Tire rack Pro for 40 years. Helping you find the right tires for how and what and where you drive. And you have a convenient installation options like mobile tire installation. Tirerack.com the way tire buying should be. I need to clarify something by one of my sources talking about the Basketball hall of Fame. I got this note to clarify. The Naismith hall of Fame criteria doesn't reflect the lean towards the pro and international success, but the selections reflect that reality. The reality is the Basketball hall of Fame selection committee tends to be pro and big market oriented. So just want to make sure that. Have that. Have some clarity there. Okay. Todd has a podcast that he started recently. It's called the Toddcast, and It's available@danpatrick.com and I don't know if there's really a theme other than Todd's life. Todd's thoughts. Dylan is the host with him. And there was a portion of the latest podcast that was released yesterday that. That caught my ear. So here is Todd Fritz on the Todd cast.

D (47:10)

But I used to have this great group of friends, as a lot of us do growing up in elementary school, junior high school. You all go to the playground in the park and hang out, make it make out with each other's girlfriends. You know, kind of just, you know,

C (47:20)

like good friends do.

D (47:21)

Yeah. You know, you're hanging out with your guy friends, and all of a sudden one of them wants to experiment while you're playing the Atari 2600 console. And it's like, all of a sudden,

C (47:29)

Todd, let's break that.

D (47:30)

All of a sudden, someone's touching you while you're playing Pitfall. Harry. It's like, all right, Fred, I didn't know you felt that way about. And then you have a decision to make. Go along with it and just, you

C (47:38)

were having a cute day.

D (47:38)

I think I was having a cute day. But the decision is, hey, I'm not like that, but, you know, I'm flattered. Or you, like, let him do what he wants to do and just see where it goes.

C (47:46)

And maybe, who knows, maybe you're into it.

D (47:47)

Todd, you know what? Sometimes you have to take a chance in life, and if it's something that's disgusting or horrible, you don't do it again. But in the moment, especially if you're a little horny and you haven't been with somebody in a while and you're playing guitar, you're just pretending like it's not happening. And you maybe picturing this girl they've got a crush on in one of your classes. And nobody needs to know while you're playing the video games who's doing what. If you close your eyes, it could be anybody

C (48:10)

time.

D (48:11)

A lot of divulging right there.

C (48:13)

How did we get to that point?

D (48:15)

I don't even know. I'd have to listen back to what came before and after that kind of thing, but might have been some slight embellishment there. But I'm not. I'm not the shy type. I'll just leave it. Leave it. As. As stated, I think it's the best way to do it.

C (48:27)

Okay.

D (48:28)

I don't think it really needs more.

C (48:29)

You had some really interesting friends. Some good friends.

D (48:32)

Yeah. Sometimes, you know, just Dylan brings it out in Vegas. I just. You know, sometimes you just open.

C (48:35)

Oh, I don't think you can't be

D (48:37)

in the right mood.

C (48:38)

I. We're not blaming Dylan.

D (48:40)

Struggling to viewing skills. Just pull. Pulls things.

C (48:42)

I mean, you did talk about Nerf football in the backyard and your pants were down.

D (48:46)

There was a previous reference to that. Sometimes, you know, sometimes you get a little distracted.

C (48:51)

Okay. Well, there's more of that, but there's more of that where, you know, you can listen on the Todd cast and it's available. DanPatrick.

D (48:59)

I do need to practice slowing down a little bit, which you got 400 times.

C (49:02)

You go fast. You go fast. I thought that the tape was sped up. I thought that, you know, when they recorded it, that it was just faster.

D (49:10)

One of those 45 records on 78.

C (49:12)

Yes. And it found out that that wasn't the case. Yes, Paul.

B (49:15)

It felt like a story based in reality to me.

C (49:19)

Yeah.

B (49:21)

Yeah.

C (49:22)

Todd doesn't. He's not guilty of hyperbole. He usually tells you, and then you go, you're telling me too much, Todd. But it's the Todd cast, and it's available at Dan Patrick.

D (49:34)

Dylan was blushing. I wasn't. He was. He was getting a little uncomfortable.

C (49:36)

As long as you're okay with it,

D (49:39)

it's all in good fun. You gotta. You know what? You gotta. Sometimes it's fun to just have some fun and share and. And just be out there.

C (49:45)

Yeah. But I. I have fun and share, but I don't share those things.

D (49:49)

It's just an unedited Me.

C (49:50)

Yeah, well, I never.

D (49:52)

For better or worse, I guess, you

C (49:53)

know, I never played video games. Maybe that's what I was missing out on.

D (49:56)

That's what you missed out on. You should have been playing Pitfall Harry and Adventure and Berserk and Missile Command, Space Invaders. There's a lot of stuff going.

B (50:02)

Don't blame video games.

C (50:03)

Atari.

B (50:07)

See a segue this one, boss.

C (50:08)

Yeah. The Atlanta Hawks are hosting the Orlando Magic, and that's. Is that Monday, Marvin?

D (50:15)

It is Monday, March 16th.

C (50:17)

Okay, March 16th. In Atlanta. And I think it's. It says the Atlanta Hawks versus Magic City. Is that.

D (50:26)

Well, it's the Atlanta Hawks versus the Orlando Magic, but the theme is Magic City Mondays.

C (50:31)

Yeah.

D (50:32)

And so they have a sweatshirt. Magic City Mondays got the Hawks logo. It is a legit thing between The Hawks and Magic City, the chicken wing establishment. So I won't be here.

C (50:42)

And Marvin, when we went down for a celebrity family feud after we were done later that day, Marvin and Mario. So you guys go, hey, we're gonna go to Magic City. So I gave them a hundred dollars and they wanted to make it rain. And I think you made it drizzle

D (51:04)

maybe a little bit. I mean, it was gone in about 13 minutes.

C (51:11)

But you fell in love with somebody as soon as you walked in, correct?

D (51:14)

Oh, my goodness. Oh. If basketball terms. It was Steph Curry.

C (51:18)

What? What? Do you remember her name? I couldn't tell you.

D (51:23)

That's the right answer.

B (51:25)

That is the right answer. Marvin.

D (51:26)

I couldn't tell you.

C (51:27)

Yeah, Portia Cinnamon.

D (51:30)

I mean, Tata La Licious.

C (51:33)

All right.

D (51:33)

She was strong. I mean, I took out my own money. Like, you know what? Cash me out also.

C (51:39)

But you weren't the big spender.

D (51:42)

Oh, I was not.

C (51:43)

There were. There were some known people in there that were spending. Spending a few thousand. I'm guessing Lil Bow Wow had my

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