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You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio Hour 2 on this Wednesday Dan and the Dan It's Dan Patrick Show. I guess we were above Buzz Kill in the first hour because we talked about the Browns and Saints not being good. You want false hope, right? If you're fans of these teams and it's September 3rd, you want false hope. You don't want me saying, hey, the worst odds to win the super bowl are the Saints or the first coach who odds on to be fired is Kevin Stefanski. The Browns, you don't want to hear that. I understand that. My job is to just give you what I believe is the truth. I'm not a hot take guy. I'm not going out of my way to disparage your team. I'm just telling you what I see or what I hear. And if Vegas says the Saints aren't going to be good, it's not me saying it, it's Vegas saying it. But I'm just the messenger. And apparently some people want to shoot the messenger from the first week. How can you say that? I'm just telling you what Vegas is saying and Vegas doesn't, you know, they don't have an opinion from the standpoint of playing favorites. They just give you they're trying to make money. That's that's their job and that's why they had these odds that this coach could get fired or this team or these teams have no chance of making the playoffs.

Paulie (5:09)

Yes, Paulie, but fans of below average teams driving to work on Wednesday the 3rd would much rather have a little fake hope, a little belief that, hey.

Kyle Brandt (5:19)

You know what, if we could get.

Dan Patrick (5:20)

Our the line together yeah, you know, if Spencer Rattler, you know, plays the way we think he can. Okay. The merchandise store, danpatrick.com is open for business, stocked up with fresh new gear. Please stop by Stat of the Day, brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the program. From the crew that brought you the office comes a new comedy of underdogs with major issues. They're called the Dan Patrick Show. Actually, it's called the paper September 4th, only on Peacock. Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, thank you for downloading the app. The Dallas Cowboys are now eight and a half point underdogs against the Philadelphia Eagles. The only other point spread that's similar is Denver against Carolina. Is that right, Paul? It's Denver by eight and a half. Against the Panthers, I believe.

Paulie (6:11)

Titans against them all.

Dan Patrick (6:12)

Titans, Titans against them. Okay. Cam Ward's debut and the Denver Broncos playoff team a year ago. All righty. 877-3-DP show email address dp danpatrick.com Twitter handle DP Show Michael Irvin the Playmaker. In an hour from now, Kyle Brandt, popular co host of Good Morning Football, will stop by and. Are the Clippers in trouble? Pablo Torre is investigating the Clippers. Did Steve Ballmer have, I guess, a company that he started, but it wasn't a real company. But they were using money in that company to pay Kawhi Leonard. I think I have the parameters correct. Does that sound right, Paul? Was a, was it a. A tree service company?

Paulie (7:00)

Yeah, it's kind of like those no show jobs they talked about with college sports. According to Pablo Torre, there was a fraudulent tree planting company. Fraud funded with $50 million of Steve Ballmer, the Clippers owner's money. And Kawhi Leonard had an endorsement deal with this company, a no show endorsement deal that allegedly paid him $28 million, which would circumvent the salary cap. Allegedly.

Dan Patrick (7:24)

Pablo Torre will join us coming up next hour. But if Pablo Torre is taking a deep dive, as we found out in the last six months, look out. We did reach out to the Clippers and Steve Ballmer. We did reach out to the NBA.

Kyle Brandt (7:40)

No word back.

Dan Patrick (7:40)

Just thank you, Todd. But we did reach out to all sides involved in this. But I thought that Kawhi Leonard had a no show job. That was called being a Clipper. Yeah.

Kyle Brandt (7:55)

You'Re not too easy, Dan. Good joke.

Paulie (7:58)

Too easy.

Dan Patrick (8:01)

But you're going to pay him more money and you can do so with the tree service company. And apparently it was a no show job.

Paulie (8:10)

Hey, mom and Dad, I got A job with the city planting trees all summer. What'd you make, son? $28 million.

Dan Patrick (8:15)

Yes. So we'll talk to Pablo Torre about this because if, if he's gotten enough information, I think he talked to six or seven former employees of the tree service company on their yachts. How much did they get paid for their no show job? They did all the work. Kawhi go by and go, hey, guys. Yes, Seaton.

Todd (8:42)

So does that mean Kawhi was really getting paid, like not 50 million, but like close to 80 million?

Dan Patrick (8:48)

It certainly sounds like there was an excess of $70 million there. And off the books, 70 million. Yeah. Yes, Paulie.

Paulie (8:59)

There is a bit of precedent for this type of situation. Not to go too far down the road, but if you remember a generation ago, the Minnesota Timberwolves and Joe Smith had a series of contracts that circumvented the salary cap, and they lost five straight first round draft picks.

Dan Patrick (9:14)

Yeah.

Paulie (9:14)

And other stuff.

Dan Patrick (9:15)

Yeah, that was my first thought is now that's, that was a different Commissioner. Adam Silver is a, hey, come on, let's play nice in the sandbox. Commissioner David Stern, who it would be, you know, there'd be hell to pay. Now, it doesn't mean Adam Silver is not going to come down on the Clippers if this is true. But they're going to lose. They're going to lose first round draft picks and they'll probably be fined a substantial amount of money. But this is early in the investigation. Let's, you know, we want to be fair to all sides here, but Pablo Torre got to the point where he made this public, and you make it public when you feel like you. Now, the Clippers didn't say, hey, we're going to sue you. They, they denied, you know, that this was true. But we'll talk to Pablo Torre about how much information you have. And at what point do you decide to go public with this that you're accusing Steve Ballmer of circumventing the salary cap for Kawhi Leonard? Amazing. Kawhi Leonard and Darrell Revis and Kirk Cousins, great business guys, great businessman. Kawhi's a Hall of Famer. Kirk D. Cousins is not. Darrell Rivas is. But when it comes to financial, you know, the, the financial acumen that they have or their representatives, they are first team hall of Famers, first team financial hall of Famers. And here's Kawhi's made a ton of money and he, he's, he's going to be one of those guys will look back and say, yeah, hall of Famer, but man, he should have been a whole lot better. And it goes back to the Spurs. Remember when he went to New York, didn't he get a second opinion? Had the fallout with Popovich, and then all of a sudden, you know, this thigh injury and then he's got a cousin who's involved in this, and next thing you know, he's playing for the Raptors. And just wild, wild story with Kawhi Leonard, who comes in as a defensive guy, you know, goes to the spurs, helps lead them to an NBA championship. Good feel, good story. And then all of a sudden it's like, he's not going to play. He's going to get a second opinion. He's going to get traded, he's going to leave. He's going to the Clippers. Yes, Marvin, luckily he's playing for the.

Kyle Brandt (11:34)

Clippers because if he was playing for the Lakers, this would have been front page news. I think it's because of Kawhi and the Clippers as a combination of he's a low key guy and it's a low key franchise. No knocks to the Clippers, but luckily it's not the Lakers.

Dan Patrick (11:48)

But we'll talk to Pablo Torre next hour about this. Johnny Manziel. Yeah, Johnny Manziel was trending yesterday because Johnny Manziel was on the Nightcap podcast and the former Cleveland Brown quarterback had this to say about the Browns.

Kyle Brandt (12:08)

I sit here today and I go back and forth with, man, am I.

Dan Patrick (12:12)

Going to let Cleveland off the hook.

Kyle Brandt (12:13)

And just like, let it go, or am I going to sit here with hate and animosity in my heart for.

Dan Patrick (12:18)

The rest of my life? And I finally sit here today, I'm like, I think I'm going to be pissed that I'm going to hate them forever. So it is what it is, man.

Kyle Brandt (12:29)

No, no love for the Browns.

Dan Patrick (12:30)

I'm rooting for Owen. Sixteen seasons, every season. Okay. They did draft you in the first round. Remember when he sent a message, draft me. Sent that to the owner, Draft me? I believe they did. You just didn't live up to what you were supposed to. And you're blaming the Cleveland Browns for. Okay, maybe organizationally, not very good, is it? Mismanagement. I saw a quote that was attached to Johnny that was basically saying, hey, you should have done more research on how to, you know, position me to succeed. If they did more research on you, they wouldn't have drafted you. But to blame the Cleveland Browns, I, I mean, this keeps you in the news, but it is time to move on it is. It is time to move on because you can. You can blame the Browns for being the Browns, but you should have been able to take care of yourself, and you didn't. You famously did not. And you know, we've had former teammates on this show who have talked about how you didn't care. Joe Thomas talked about that hall of Famer that you didn't put in the time, that being a celebrity was more important to you. You got to take. You're not taking accountability. You didn't take accountability then, you're not taking it now. Take accountability. Both sides made mistakes. Yeah.

Paulie (14:02)

Paulie, do you think of a guy like Manzel where it's taken in round four and didn't get that big rookie deal? He may have worked harder to be a starter, to be a player in the NFL, follow the rules, or was it destined for disaster?

Dan Patrick (14:20)

I don't know if he would had a chip on his shoulder to try to prove everybody wrong. Maybe. But if you go back to college, I mean, he got away with a lot on and off the field. And while we loved watching him, he gave us one of the greatest seasons in college football history. You know, when you're rushing for what, 1500 yards, you're. You're running for touchdowns, you're throwing for touchdowns, you're beating Alabama to Alabama. It just. You got to put in the time at that position, and he didn't. He wanted to be a celebrity. And at that position, you can become a celebrity, but you got to become really good at what you do first because it doesn't go, you know, in the inverse order there. Reverse order. Hey, I'm a celebrity now. I'm going to try to be a good quarterback. Be a good quarterback. Then it, you know, it might evolve into something bigger. But that's unfortunate because move on. Figure out what you're doing with your life and apply. You just hate holding a grudge. And if you're still blaming others, I mean, this is gone. And I, I even said at the time that, that, you know, the football world moves on so quickly and they'll move on so quickly from him. And he's not the only one, but he was the current one. And I said, it'll be over and, you know, people move on. And then you'll be that curiosity of man. He was really good when he was at A. M. But, you know, in the pros, it wasn't good. Didn't put in the time. And you can't cheat people at that position. Of all the positions, you can't cheat them because it'll show. And it did. Yeah.

Paulie (16:05)

Pauling, he played two years in the league. Johnny Manziel, he had six starts his second year in a league he was 2 and 4 and his quarterback rating was 79.4. He threw for seven touchdowns and five picks. Not horrendous. He was the 31st ranked quarterback and quarterback rating that year below him. Worse than him was Colin Kaepernick, Andrew Luck, Nick Foles and Peyton Manning. They all in limited duty because they all played less than 15 games, had worse quarterback ratings that year. You'd win a bet on that one.

Dan Patrick (16:33)

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's unfortunate because I think we wanted that excitement. Hope for that excitement. And he got to the league and he just, he didn't put in the time but to sit there and continue to blame the Browns. Good luck with that. What's that going to get you in life now? The Browns. Yeah, the Browns. Yes. To be fair.

Todd (17:00)

The Browns have just a littered history of running through players that they drafted very well. So it.

Dan Patrick (17:06)

He.

Todd (17:07)

He's not wrong in saying that the.

Dan Patrick (17:09)

Browns are terrible, but do you think if he had gone someplace else that somehow this would have had a better ending? Because I don't. Possible. I. Well, it is possible, but knowing his track record, I don't think so.

Todd (17:23)

Yeah, but I mean, knowing their track.

Dan Patrick (17:25)

Record too, though, he asked them to draft him on draft night. He asked them to draft him. Yeah. So that's not usually the way it works though.

Todd (17:37)

Like you don't just get to text somebody, be like, hey, draft me.

Dan Patrick (17:39)

Like, okay. Oh, I know. But that'll tell you about both sides. He wanted to play for them and you know, they do not have a good front office or didn't have a good front office. And they drafted him. Yes.

Kyle Brandt (17:51)

Yeah.

Todd (17:52)

I mean, I think. I think he wanted to get drafted. You know, he wanted to play, but he.

Dan Patrick (17:56)

This is Cleveland. Yeah. So why would you go to a place that is a terrible place to go and want to go to a place that's a terrible place to go and inept in developing quarterbacks Unless he had no idea how bad it was. But still he said, draft me. He didn't send that to anybody else. He sent a text that said draft me.

Todd (18:19)

Yeah. Like, did you ever go work somewhere and you really wanted to work there and then it ended up being a horrible place and you're like, wow, I had no idea on the outside that that's what this was like.

Dan Patrick (18:31)

But I have to take ownership. He's not taking Any ownership.

Todd (18:35)

I think he is taking ownership. I'm just. I think he's just saying he doesn't like them.

Dan Patrick (18:39)

Yeah, but he's blaming them for where, who he is now or what he is now instead of saying we're both culpable or I never should have gone there or you know what? That mistake's on me because it's a terrible match for me. Like, if you say that, then people I think would look at it and go, yeah, you're probably right. He's just holding a grudge against Cleveland. You want them to lose every game, but you gotta have accountability at some point. And I don't think he does. Let me see David in Ohio. Hi, David. What's on your mind? Hey, Dan. Speaking of Las Vegas odds, I think if Mark Davis goes and gets his haircut, other than great clips or his mom, I think they might win the Super Bowl. Thank you. All right, David. David's been on fire recently. He roast and Belichick roasting the Raiders. I like the Raiders. I do. For some reason. Tom Brady's a winner. He's going to get him going. Got their quarterback, their running back. They got their tight end. Got Max Crosby ready to go. Yes, Marvin, I'd feel a little better.

Kyle Brandt (19:43)

If Tom Brady was the quarterback.

Dan Patrick (19:45)

Oh, well, yes. He's still the best quarterback in the organization. Oh, no, no, he is. I know he is.

Kyle Brandt (19:52)

Yeah.

Dan Patrick (19:53)

I think Geno Smith would admit that. Yes, Todd, Raiders would be better off if they were in the AFC south.

Kyle Brandt (19:59)

Or to a lesser extent, the AFC East. In that division, they just. How are they not the fourth best team right now, even with what you just mentioned?

Dan Patrick (20:08)

Pie to the face. Here we go. Raiders better record than the Broncos. We'll do that. All right. Okay.

Kyle Brandt (20:16)

I have to do that.

Dan Patrick (20:17)

What kind of fan would say no to that?

Kyle Brandt (20:18)

I have the Raiders finishing in last.

Dan Patrick (20:20)

All right, I know. Let's take a break here. We'll come up with a poll question for hour two. Kyle Brandt, on loan from NFL Network Good morning football will stop by right after this Dan Patrick Show. Be sure to catch the live edition.

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Dan Patrick (20:37)

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Dan Patrick (26:19)

Now one more phone calls coming up. Michael Irvin the playmaker. Top of next hour, Pablo Torre. He's got an expose on the Clippers. And Steve Ballmer. Were they paying Kawhi Leonard off the books for a no show job to circumvent the salary cap? Kyle Brandt, popular co host Good Morning Football. Got a new show that debuts today, NFL Classics. It's upon further review. You'll find it at 9 Eastern on Vice TV. Michael Irvin and Emmett Smith breaking down the Cowboys 1995 NFC Championship game. You can also see Kyle. Good morning Football. Good to see you again. How'd you come about deciding to do.

Kyle Brandt (27:07)

This normally, Dan I would say I collaborated with my friends and put something together. I didn't. They came to me and they said, here's an idea for a show. You want to do it? I felt like you hear these actors say I finally got to stop auditioning and I just got an offer. This was my first offer. It sounded perfect. I said, yes, I'll take it. In 10 minutes later, I'm sitting there with Irvin and watching the 95 title game. That's the origin story.

Dan Patrick (27:32)

I did NBA's greatest games years and years ago at NBA TV and we'd have Bill Walton come in and he would sit there and watch a game with you. Isaiah Thomas came in and it's just fun because, because Isaiah started crying during, you know, looking back on the game, Walton just couldn't stop talking. You know, you get these guys that they look back and all of a sudden they open up the scrapbook and it's the emotion that hits them that you might not be ready for because to you it was a game you're watching. To them it was the game they were playing in.

Kyle Brandt (28:07)

And I think that's insightful. And what you get is when you're not just watching highlights, like I've seen Joe Montana talk about the catch a thousand times and he tells the story from start to finish. When you actually watch the game with the ebbs and flows and the bad plays, we found out what ended up happening. Dan, that was so funny was I was watching the Titans Rams super bowl and the Titans are marching down the field and it's Steve McNair and I'm with Cedric the Entertainer from St. Louis and Kurt Warner. And they were both nervous that the Rams were going to lose. They were on the edge of their seat and you start to watch it even though, you know, you say Kevin Dyson is going to score. I know it. They have too much momentum and you can watch them start to sweat all over again. So it's funny and it's candid, but in multiple episodes I saw actual fear from guys knowing full well they win, still thinking they would lose. It's awesome.

Dan Patrick (28:56)

What's the one episode though that you got something that you didn't realize?

Kyle Brandt (29:02)

There's a lot of them. I would actually stick with this episode. This, this is the again. The Titans 99 Rams versus the Titans. This is the coolest thing about this, Dan, because we've looked at this game for a quarter century and Mike Jones makes the tackle on the one yard line and the Rams win. But here's the what if. The question is, the Titans were down seven, if they score that touchdown, does Jeff Fisher go for two to win it right there. And Fisher's gone back and forth over the years. I would have, I wouldn't have. Eddie George is saying we would have got it. Everybody on the Rams defense is saying they would have got it. We were out of gas. We've been battling all game. We could have gotten as fans a win. The super bowl two point conversion play, which we've never gotten before. And again, you talked to Kurt about that. He's helpless. He's standing on the sideline behind Dick Vermeil, who's ready to celebrate. The tackle at the one yard line could have given us the greatest finish ever in a two point conversion. We'll still never know if they would have gone for it.

Dan Patrick (30:01)

I was fortunate when the Steelers played Arizona and we thought Arizona was going to win the Super Bowl. Now I'm handing out the trophy. So I'm on the sidelines and I'm standing next to Steve Young. So Steve is doing analysis on Ben's final drive. So we're walking down the sidelines and he's now he's part quarterback, but part fan. And he would be. He said, you don't understand. Like, this is incredible. He was so excited. And it's one of the greatest moments I've ever had in this, in my career because I'm watching with a Hall of Famer, we're watching Ben lead this drive that's going to win a Super Bowl. And those are the. That's why you sign up for this. Because we, we are fans and we want to enjoy. We, you know, it's still our job to be, you know, a host or analytical, but that's where you go, golly.

Kyle Brandt (30:54)

This is, I know.

Dan Patrick (30:55)

Awesome. Awesome.

Kyle Brandt (30:57)

And that was years ago that you watched that game with Steve Young. And I can tell you remember it like it was yesterday when, when you really, when you're talking to the athletes and it's not over zoom. It's not on the phone. It's when they're watching themselves work. So many different emotions come out. Like, for example, the Cowboys are really hot right now in media. I was sitting and I'm watching the 95 title game. This is Cowboys versus Packers. It's Aikman versus Favre, and I'm with Emmett and Irvin. It's the episode that we start the show with. We talked for over an hour, and I don't think they said the name Barry Switzer one time between the two of them. They said Jimmy Johnson, Dan, probably 30 times. My takeaway was Jimmie Johnson was the coach of that team. He had been removed for years. And Barry Switzer, God bless him, these guys did not want to say the word. They avoided the word even when I asked about it. I think Jimmy was still the head coach. And the emotions came out for those two.

Dan Patrick (31:48)

Talking to Kyle Brandt, NFL Network. Good Morning Football, NFL Classics, upon further review tonight at 9 Eastern on Vice TV and Michael Irvin. Emmett Smith with the first episode. Fans can't get to you when you're hosting Good Morning Football. Like, they can call into the show or they can, you know, they can text or tweet the show, but, you know, I, I'm already getting catching strays because I was critical of the Browns and Saints. You know, just the odds of them making the playoffs or going to the Super Bowl. How do fans get to you to let you know they don't like what you said?

Kyle Brandt (32:24)

Oh, well, you're right. Putting this one right in the wheelhouse. We just made playoff picks yesterday. Here's the ones that I like them. I like the fan bases that you picked their team for the playoffs, but it's only a wild card and not a division. Are you kidding me? I'm getting screamed at by, of all people. I'm getting screamed at by Lions fans because they only won the wild card. Is there a more nouveau rich thing than that? Somebody driving a yellow Corvette because they won the lottery and they're already complaining that they're only a wild card. The Lions fans would have cut off a finger for a wild card five years ago. And they hate me on social media because I dare to give them not the division championship. It's nuts.

Dan Patrick (33:09)

I'm going to make you program director for the NFL. You pick. Let's do it. You pick the Super Bowl.

Kyle Brandt (33:16)

Okay, if I'm. If I'm program director for human beings and all of Humanity. And in a time of AI, we need some of this, then that one's easy. Just. Just give me Buffalo versus Detroit and someone can be happy. All right, that's you get those fans together. It's hugging. It's cats and dogs living together. Somebody wins. But if I'm going to be the NFL programmer and I'm going to try to do it the bottom line, and I'm going to spike ratings. Dan, can I also pick the halftime performer?

Dan Patrick (33:45)

Sure. I have.

Kyle Brandt (33:47)

The Chiefs are in the super bowl again. Taylor's the halftime performer. And then in the nfc, we can't do Philadelphia. It's Dallas. It's Dallas versus Kansas City. And they have. The story of the year has been that Jerry Jones suckered us all and Micah wasn't what Micah was cracked up to be. And he's back and he's against Taylor and she's doing Love Story and everybody's crying. It's Chiefs, Cowboys in San Francisco, where the Cowboys have a lot of history. That's it.

Dan Patrick (34:14)

I think there's a better chance that Taylor Swift does halftime then the Cowboys get there. Just saying.

Kyle Brandt (34:21)

I think, I think you're right. I think actually at this point, I think the super bowl halftime show is beneath Taylor Swift. I think that she is way bigger than it's. And I may say that as an NFL employee, I think she's bigger than it. And I think you're right. I think it's still more likely that she does it and goes a three hour set before the Cowboys do it. I said, lions fans, I'm trying to figure out, Dan, why are you hearing from Saints and Browns fans? What do they have to complain about?

Dan Patrick (34:47)

They don't want to be told, you want to have false hope on September 3rd. You don't want to hear the voice saying, yeah, Vegas says you guys have the best odds for the number one pick in the draft. Or Vegas says that you guys have the longest odds to reach the Super Bowl. They don't want to hear it. They know it's true. They don't want to hear it.

Kyle Brandt (35:07)

I think they should hear it. There's nothing wrong with that. At least after week one. If you lose week one, then they'll be calling the show, being like, when are you going to start doing mock drafts?

Dan Patrick (35:15)

I can't believe that.

Kyle Brandt (35:16)

Come on, Saints and Browns, let's go.

Dan Patrick (35:18)

Are there more teams you think can reach the super bowl or more teams who can't make the playoffs?

Kyle Brandt (35:26)

I think there's a lot of teams that could reach the Super Bowl. This year you have the normal headliners that you think of, of course, this team, that team. And then you have these teams that aren't in the neon lights, like teams that are built for a Super bowl, like, like Tampa Bay, for example, who have the coach, you have the quarterback. I don't mind the Rams. Again, I always look at the coaches. I don't mind the Chargers. The only thing people can say against the Chargers is they lost the lineman. It sucks. I know he got hurt. I just look at Jim Harbaugh and look at the quarterback. We're in this this week, Dan, where there's this, there's this sweepstakes, Kentucky Derby type thing here in sports media where everyone gives their picks and everyone has to be right and everyone's trying to hack the system. I have a few simple guidelines that I go by. First and foremost, always, always, always pick the Steelers in the bingo card. They're the free space. You get that one for free. The rest are up to you. I always pick the Rams because I believe Sean McVeigh is the best coach in the league. And then just look at coaches. Just pick veteran, proven coaches and the guys who have been there before and it'll get you home. So I think there's a lot of teams that can make the super bowl this year because then you get those tasty ones like a few years ago, Joe Burrow and the Bengals in his second year. And then you're like, oh, look at all the second year quarterbacks. You got them across the board. One of those teams could make a run. Because I think for quarterbacks now, year two is the year is New Year five. So all those guys are in the fray too.

Dan Patrick (36:47)

It's almost like March Madness where you always pick Tom Izzo in Michigan State because it's, it's Tom Izzo or you pick John Caliperi, Rick Pitino. They're that you're picking the coaches, Jim Boeheim, you're picking the coaches who are always going to be there. You went to the Steelers camp?

Kyle Brandt (37:05)

Yeah.

Dan Patrick (37:05)

How's morale?

Kyle Brandt (37:08)

Great. It's good. I mean, I, I say this pretty candidly. It was odd I sat with Mike Tomlin as someone who spent the entire off season saying that he should be replaced. And so I respected that. He still sat down. But I've been the guy saying, Mike Tomlin is at the point that Andy Reid was with the Eagles. There's nothing wrong with it. It's going to benefit both parties. The part he'll land somewhere else and then you show up to camp. And I have to tell you, Dan, I've never sat with him before. It's every single thing you ever hope it was. There's gravitas, there's magnetism, there's insight. He looks at you, he shakes your hand hard and everything he say, you just kind of nod, even though some of its cliches. And then I say to him, all right. He's like, we got some veterans here. I got to teach the old dog new tricks. I said, well, you have the oldest dog in the league. Your quarterback's 41. He laughs. Rogers sits down. Fantastic, positive vibe, super happy. Gets married in the off season. I presented him with that question because there was a lot of, I don't know, Internet rumors and intrigue that, Aaron Rodgers, you just showed up and got married. You're a public figure we've been following for years. I presented him with information that I said, aaron, I did the research. Players in this generation who get married in the off season go on to have an overwhelmingly successful next season across the board. It always happens. How is this affecting you as a football player? And he goes into this deep dive answer about how his life is different and his support system is different, and all because of her. And all because of her. Meanwhile, the rumors online about what this could be are, I'm planet Mars. And he just locks in and says, I'm playing this season for us. So he's unique, he's unusual. He's still my favorite player to interview, and his vibe was fantastic.

Dan Patrick (38:42)

I give you credit that you. You came at it with a different angle, because that's. Thank you. That's the tough part. And, and, you know, being a great interviewer, it's about what is my angle that's going to be different because you want them to realize that you did your homework and, and that you did give this great thought instead of saying, hey, you got married, huh?

Kyle Brandt (39:03)

I know. Yeah. Yeah.

Dan Patrick (39:04)

He's not going to give you, you got to work. You know, there's certain athletes that you. You just have to work. They'll make it worth your while, but you got to work. And Aaron's one of those guys that he's not going to listen to foolishness. So I give you a lot of credit with that.

Kyle Brandt (39:18)

I appreciate the compliment from you. And it's. It's. You're exactly right. And I did the same thing last week with Josh Allen. I got to ask him. You can appreciate this, Dan. I got to sit with Josh Allen for about 12 minutes, and I have to somehow ask him, you never can beat the Chiefs. Everyone's talking about it. It's really the only topic we can talk about you with football is you can't get over the hump. What is your. What is the original way to do that? And I concocted this thing that was just like, listen, your wife, in her industry, they have the Oscar speech, and you think about it, you practice it in the mirror and you do it in the shower. Do you have the super bowl speech? Is that something you have? And he went, and he went. He said, I had it since I was a kid. I know every word. I know the tone. I know all of that. And I could tell a palpable appreciation that I wasn't just like, how about these Chiefs, huh? I guess they're your patriots for Manning. And he actually gave a creative answer. So I was very proud.

Dan Patrick (40:10)

The pressure on Josh Allen. Now you want an mvp, Local pressure, national pressure is. Is there any big variation in those two?

Kyle Brandt (40:21)

Well, the Buffalo pressure is more just Buffalo terror and fear and just. How can we not get one with this guy? I think the national pressure is the same. It's been for about three years. It's the same identical pressure on Lamar Jackson where every road leads to that, you're great. You did this. But the difference is, is that Josh has played much better in the playoffs than Lamar is. So Josh's narrative is, they got to get him help nationally. But I have to say, I asked them point blank about, you are looked at as this new Peyton Manning. How do you deal with that? Everything you do in the community, in the locker room, you carry a burden with you. And the burden is Josh has to bring home the big one. He said, I don't think about it. I. And I'm like, yo, come on, you think about it. He said, if it doesn't happen, I'll be okay with that because I know I'm doing everything I possibly can. This is a guy who is 29, he's 300 million bucks. He just married a movie star. He references her. I've interviewed Josh Allen 25 times. I have never heard him reference God as much as he did, which I think is a very good thing, and shows he's on to new, new deals. So he flat out said, I'm going all in. If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen. So I don't worry about it. It's his plan.

Dan Patrick (41:32)

I find it interesting that you have baseball pitchers who are really good in the regular season.

Kyle Brandt (41:36)

Yeah.

Dan Patrick (41:37)

And not good in the postseason. You know, Greg Maddox wasn't great. You know, Clayton Kershaw had his moments, but they're hall of Fame pitchers and you have quarterbacks. Lamar Jackson is kind of built for the regular season. Josh Allen regular season, it's that big game where Mahomes is built for both. But now I think he's more built for the postseason than the regular season. I just, I find that interesting with. And I don't know if it's, you know, I'm. I'm kind of pushing or stretching for something, but it just feels like some quarterbacks love live. Like Brady. I don't know any of his stats from the regular season. I don't. I don't like the one season where, you know, he had Randy Moss, but I just knew when he got to the postseason, he's going to win the game if he's got the ball. 3 minute, 2 minutes to go, he's winning the game. Mahomes has graduated to that level. Certain guys where you go, oh, boy, this is bad, but they are built for that moment. How do you explain that?

Kyle Brandt (42:36)

It's. I know exactly what you mean. There's certain guys on the flip side that when it's this, that's third and 12 is coming up and I just, I know this is not going to go well. And then it's a pick six. And it's not that the guys aren't talented. Like, listen, the Peyton thing that goes back to college, when he couldn't beat the Gators, he just couldn't do it, no matter how good he was. You mentioned Clayton Kershaw. I remember when they were calling him Clayton Manning because he would get to October and he would just fall apart. There's certain guys, and I listen you talk about fan complaints and people getting mad. Baltimore Ravens fans are very sensitive about Lamar. I mean, very sensitive. And I get it. He is their guy. My ways put it as Lamar is the fantastic, fantastic regular season player. He doesn't play his A game in the playoffs. He doesn't play the date. He plays the B or B plus. And the best ones hit their A game in the playoffs. And so he, he has turnovers, he'll do this, he'll do that. And I'm not saying he's bad, but only certain guys like the ones you referenced out of nowhere sometimes can just get to that A game and certain guys can't.

Dan Patrick (43:35)

Good luck with the show and, and your day job too, at Good Morning Football. Great to talk to you again, Dan.

Kyle Brandt (43:42)

It's great to see you anywhere other than the sports Emmys where I usually see you and we never win.

Dan Patrick (43:47)

I know. We're both like peeking in like, okay, who's going to win? It's not us. Okay. Drive home safely.

Kyle Brandt (43:55)

I wish I could. You're so dead on. I wish I could tell the fans Dan is literally in the last row. Like throw 5,000. There's no one behind him. I saw Fritzi and me and as they're reading our award, we basically have our valet ticket in our hands. So funny.

Dan Patrick (44:12)

My car was running. Just to let you know. Like, I am out of here. Thank you. Good to talk to you.

Kyle Brandt (44:18)

Thanks, Dan.

Dan Patrick (44:19)

That's Kyle Brandt, NFL Network. Good morning football and his new show tonight at 9 Eastern on Vice TV. It's called NFL Classics upon further review with Michael Irvin, who will join us at the top of the hour and Emmett Smith. We'll take a break. Your phone calls and we will pick the defensive player of the year after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live Life's messy.

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Dan Patrick (49:56)

We're going to do the defensive player of the year. Now, I'm not asking you to tell me who the favorite is. It's who you think will be the defensive player of the year. Todd, I'll start with you. Defensive player of the year is going to be.

Kyle Brandt (50:11)

I'm going to go with Aiden Hutchinson back from injury, and he's got a lot to prove.

Dan Patrick (50:16)

All right. He has the second best odds according to DraftKings. Seaton defensive player of the year.

Todd (50:23)

Go a little further down what I imagine these lists have. I'm going with one. William Anderson Jr. Oh, the third. I think this is his breakout year.

Dan Patrick (50:32)

Yep. All right, Marvin.

Kyle Brandt (50:35)

Gonna go with Jared versus the Rams.

Dan Patrick (50:37)

Okay. All right. We're going with a little bit more of a long shot there. All right. Paul.

Paulie (50:43)

I would go with Max, two X's. Crosby, Kind of a career achievement, come back from injury type thing.

Dan Patrick (50:50)

I'm gonna go. Jalen Carter. Jalen Carter of the Eagles. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, Paul.

Paulie (50:58)

It would be interesting because Jalen Carter, who's completely worthy, could do it without stats.

Dan Patrick (51:03)

Yes.

Paulie (51:03)

Like, he could have seven sacks, but he disrupts everything.

Dan Patrick (51:08)

But it's like Aaron Donald.

Paulie (51:10)

Yes.

Dan Patrick (51:10)

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Kyle Brandt (52:07)

Travis Hunter.

Dan Patrick (52:08)

Travis Hunter, fourth on the list. Marvin gonna go.

Kyle Brandt (52:12)

Ashton Genti.

Dan Patrick (52:13)

He is the leading candidate.

Paulie (52:15)

Paul for the Patriots, Trayvon Henderson, running back.

Dan Patrick (52:20)

Okay. Seaton. I'm also going.

Todd (52:23)

Ashton Chin.

Dan Patrick (52:24)

Oh, okay.

Todd (52:25)

As well.

Dan Patrick (52:27)

I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. Cam Ward. Cam Ward, defensive player of the year. Marvin. Abdul Carter. This is the rookie of. This is the defensive rookie of the year. Abdul Carter is the overwhelming favorite to be the defensive rookie of the year. Travis Hunter is second. Mike Green, Jalen Walker, and I think that's it. So just some of your draftkings odds.

Todd (52:57)

I feel like those bottom three guys also play for the Houston Rockets. Mike Green, Jalen Walker, Michael Williams, those guys all play for the Rockets 100%.

Dan Patrick (53:09)

Or they might have been traded to the Portland Trailblazers.

Todd (53:11)

Yeah, maybe a stop with the Hawks.

Dan Patrick (53:13)

But Joe in Vegas. Good morning, Joe. What's on your mind today? Good morning, Mr. Patrick. Thank you for taking the call. Yet the other day on the show, you had mentioned something. You briefly talked about Kirk Herbstreet and his relationship with Lee Corso and how he sort of helped him and walked him through some things in the last couple of years of his. Of his career there on the. On college game day. And I was reminded of one of my many, many things I love about this show is that the dynamic you had with Paulie, because as we know, you wear your emot on your sleeve. You're not afraid to cry. You're not afraid to let us know how you feel. And Paulie, as we all know, does not cry and does not show emotion. And so I don't know what this says about me, but the morning that the great Jerry west passed away, my first thought was, how is Dan going to handle this on the air this morning? And my second thought was, it's going to be really interesting to watch Paulie kind of be the safety net for Dan and walk him through it, because we know Dan is going to struggle to get through it on the air. And it's just. It's just a wonderful, wonderful thing I love about this show and the relationship that you and Paulie have and how he kind of walks you through things sometimes when we know you're going to get emotional. Love. Thank you, Joe. Yeah, I go back to when I didn't know if I was going to continue to do this. When I was forgetting things. I couldn't remember Albert Pujols, his name, I couldn't remember Tom Izzo's name. And I said to Paul, I said, you, you just have to be there. And, and he was at really the most important time because I, I didn't know if I wanted to continue way I was feeling and I just, I couldn't have clear thoughts. And even when there's somebody who passes away. And certainly with Jerry West, I mean, that was a tough day because in my mind my dad just died again. I saw Jerry west every time I saw Jerry west because my dad said, watch, that's, that's how you play basketball. And so I think that's why it hit me so hard, our relationship with Jerry. But I was kind of saying goodbye to my dad one more time. Two hours in the books. Final hour on the way.

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