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Emily Simpson
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Brady Quinn
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Emily Simpson
everyone, it's Emily Simpson and Shane Simpson from the Legally Brunette podcast.
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Brady Quinn
Each week we're bringing you true crime through a legal lens.
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Emily Simpson
Whether you want all the facts on the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie or you still need to wrap your head around the Diddy verdict with we're breaking it all down step by step.
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Brady Quinn
And we're not just lawyers, we're also husband and wife. It makes for some pretty entertaining episodes.
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Emily Simpson
Listen to Legally Brunette on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. On June 11, 1998, a deputy from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing.
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Brady Quinn
Hey, if they'll kill a cop and bury him, what are they gonna do to me?
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Emily Simpson
What really happened to the missing deputy? Valley of Shadows, a new series from Pushkin Industries about crime and corruption in California's high desert. Listen to Valley of shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When segregation was a law, one mysterious black club owner, Charlie Fitzgerald, had his own rules.
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Jonas Knox
Segregation in the day, integration at night.
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Emily Simpson
It was like stepping on another world. Was he a businessman? A criminal? A hero?
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Brady Quinn
Charlie was an example of power.
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Jonas Knox
They had to crush him.
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Emily Simpson
Charlie's place from Atlas Obscura and visit Myrtle Beach. Listen to Charlie's place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jonas Knox
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
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Brady Quinn
It's a Dan Patrick show here on Fox Sports Radio. He's levar Arrington. That guy's Brady Quinn. I'm Jonas Knox. We are two pros and a cup of joe filling in for Dan and the guys here. You can normally hear us Monday through Friday before The Dan Patrick Show, 6:00am Eastern Time, 3:00 clock Pacific. But we will take you here all the way up until noon Eastern Time, 9am Pacific. Today, you can listen on the iHeartRadio app. You can find us on hundreds of affiliates all across the country. If you're listening on the podcast, we appreciate you doing so. And you can watch us right now on. On YouTube at 2pros FSR is where you can find us at 2pros FSR. We are streaming there. There's been some speculation, some debate about whether or not it's a simulcast. I know some people feel very strongly about the term simulcast on this show.
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Lavar Arrington
Well, we are simulcasting.
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Brady Quinn
I'm with.
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Lavar Arrington
You know, it's. It's. It's short for simultaneously, by the way. Simultaneously. Look it up. Yeah, I mean, I'm not the sharpest knife in the. In the drawer, but when you're simulcasting, that means that you're in multiple places where you can listen to somebody. So don't get offended. Like, y' all such sissies on. On social media.
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Brady Quinn
Oh, yeah.
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Lavar Arrington
Bar can't stand y'. All.
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Brady Quinn
I'm with you, man. I'm with you.
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Lavar Arrington
Go put your face in a hole.
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Brady Quinn
Yeah. So, you know, from time to time. Is that the worst thing in the world?
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Lavar Arrington
No, not for them. All right, haters.
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Brady Quinn
So from. From that over to this, the NBA is back. All right, the quote unquote second half of the regular season started last night, got underway with some NBA action around the league. We mentioned Amazon Prime. At a couple of games, you had the Pistons and the Knicks, Celtics and the Warriors. And so post All Star break, the NBA's back. And the NBA cannot help but find themselves in the midst of another problem they try and figure out and they try and fix. I just watch it and go, none of it matters in the regular season. So what's the point? And if we're being honest, the first round, maybe the second round doesn't matter either.
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Jonas Knox
Okay, so you got to dig deeper into that for me, because why doesn't it matter?
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Brady Quinn
Because it's a different season. Everybody ramps up for the postseason, and you're either trying to get to the draft or you're trying to set yourself up for the postseason. Because everybody is judged based on the postseason performance. The regular season is cool, but in
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Jonas Knox
order to get to the postseason, you have to be successful enough in the regular season.
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Brady Quinn
Cool.
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Jonas Knox
It does matter to a degree.
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Brady Quinn
And there's bad games throughout the course of the regular season. There's players that aren't participating. They can throw whatever awards they want as part of the reason for you to play. And then we get to the postseason and we, we realize, oh, we got to sit through seven of these potentially just to get to the conference finals and the NBA finals. There's about four teams that can win a title and it's most likely going to be okc. That's what it feels like to me.
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Jonas Knox
Okay, well then that's this year and looking at in a vacuum. But I guess my point is like, what's the difference between tanking and then game management or load management?
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Lavar Arrington
You're still trying to win if it's load management. If you're tanking, you're, you're purposely. This would be my interpretation of it. You're purposely trying to lose. So if I'm pulling a guy and
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Jonas Knox
how are you doing that?
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Lavar Arrington
By pulling my better players out of the game.
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Jonas Knox
And then if you're doing load management, who's not playing in the game, your
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Lavar Arrington
better players are being pulled out of game. But if it's load management, you're pulling them out of the game with a strategy of saying, I'm trying to preserve them for the long haul of a long season, so I want them to have as much in the tank as they possibly can. Can have still be competitive to make the the postseason and then them have enough gas to be able to get through the postseason to the championship. Whereas I think tanking, you're pulling them out with the intentions of losing like we want to lose. That's why we're pulling our better players out. And in fact, you might even be pulling them out to get rid of those players too. That's a part of NBA politics as well. They'll pull you out.
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Jonas Knox
Let's not get on a tangent. Let's stay on this stuff.
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Emily Simpson
Okay?
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Jonas Knox
Okay. So here's the, here's where I would say what's interesting about that is, does load management start at the beginning of the season? If you have this long term thought of, it's a long season, we got to protect our best players. Do they start looking into load management at the beginning of the season?
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Lavar Arrington
I mean, depending on how old that player is and what ailments? I think it's, it's all, it's. It all depends.
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Jonas Knox
Yes. The answer is a yes. And the reason why I bring this up is because I think one of the issues with the NBA right now is, is it's a league that has gotten to the point where someone like Jonas will say the regular season is meaningless because nothing matters till you get to the playoffs. And that's fair. There's a Lot of sports leagues that play a lot of games. Baseball, playoff baseball, even hockey. Playoff hockey. Phenomenal, right? Phenomenal Regular season, all right, They've had their. Their nights, but it's good and bad. But the truth of the matter is, when you have such a long playoff series outside of seating for the playoffs, it takes away from what the regular season is. I think every single professional sports league battles this. So to me, when I'm looking at the NBA issues, and I think there's more than just the tanking or game management. I look at it and say, game management starts at the beginning of the season. Or load management. Excuse me? Because you're looking at management.
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Lavar Arrington
That's a new term.
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Jonas Knox
I like it.
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Lavar Arrington
Go ahead. Tanking, man.
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Jonas Knox
But you're looking at it for the extent of the season. Now, if you wanted to say, hey, we're tanking, well, then to me, it's an entirely different strategy than load management. Tanking is like you're getting rid of your best players. So. So when you're talking about, hey, we're trying to set our best guys for load management and tanking, they're ain't there. Like, you're moving on. You're clearing cap space. You're trying to accumulate draft picks because that's ultimately your capital to either go rebuild by getting a star player and building up that roster again, or drafting the future and finding a player like Cooper FL or Darren Patterson, whoever is in this outstanding freshman class in college basketball now, like, that's how you'd go about doing it. So when I look at, like, Adam Silver making tanking this big issue, I actually feel like he's missed again, because this isn't the issue with the NBA. Like, how many viral things have you seen where we watch guys travel constantly? And you're like, why, why don't they call. Like, why can't they call the game as it's supposed to be called nowadays? Like, you have officiating issues, you've got issues with allowing super teams to happen amongst these, which has plagued and created less parity in the league more than anything else. The fact that you're allowing, like multiple all stars, these power, you know, teams to get together. Like, that's been what's really taking place over the past couple of decades. That's changed the parody and competitiveness. All the stars aren't spread out, they're together. So again, and these are things that, like, I don't know, that you're going to be able to fix in one off season, but trying to get teams Away from tanking. I actually feel like I kind of side with Mark Cuban on this, and I don't know if you guys talked about some of the quotes.
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Lavar Arrington
Yeah, we did.
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Jonas Knox
So. And if you want to review it again, we can talk about this. But. But here's why I side with him a little bit, is if. If you're a team that decides to tank, who ultimately suffers the consequences?
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Lavar Arrington
The fans.
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Jonas Knox
Well, the fans to a degree, but more the team. They're the ones who lose revenue. They're the ones who lose money.
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Lavar Arrington
But they stink.
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Jonas Knox
Exactly.
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Lavar Arrington
You're tanking because they stink. So you're already. They're already suffering, Right? The team is already suffering. They. They.
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Jonas Knox
You could look at it in two ways. I would actually say that if you stink, then you're kind of already there. You don't need to tank because you already stink. Teams that tank are teams that are in pur. They're not one of the top teams that win a championship, but they're not one of the worst either, because they're already in the mix for getting a lottery pick and trying to rebuild. So they're actually more of a team that's in the middle of the league, and they tank. So they get back down to the bottom so they can get some of those lottery picks, or they can put themselves in a position to be able to clear cap space and build it back up. But ultimately, the team that suffers the most is the team that's tanking. Like, they're taking that on. Like, I kind of look at it this way. Think about real estate, and actually, I'll go close to home for you guys. Obviously, there was the fires on the Pacific Palisades, right?
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Brady Quinn
Yep.
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Jonas Knox
Have some of those houses been rebuilt?
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Brady Quinn
Oh, God, no. No.
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Jonas Knox
Okay, but why. Why have they not been rebuilt? What's so hard to obtain? In California permitting, it's a form of regulation. What Adam Silver is doing in my mind is he's actually making it harder for these teams that need to rebuild and want to try to do a quick flip. He's making it harder by creating more regulation around it. So, look, I understand people may not agree with this, and again, it doesn't always have the best interest of the fan mind for that season, but long term, it does. And I think if you look at the essence of what Mark Cuban's actually saying is he's bringing up a really good point. How many people are priced out now from going to games because everything's gotten so damn expensive? And that's the reality of just what it is. I mean, by the way, it's not just the NBA. I mean, go look at World cup tickets for this summer.
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Brady Quinn
Yeah.
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Jonas Knox
My goodness.
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Brady Quinn
That's. That's the part of. Of Cuban's Twitter rant, if you want to call it that, that I totally agree with, is the cost for these families to try and go to games, to buy merchandise. All that's. It's ridiculous. And. And it feels like it's getting worse.
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Lavar Arrington
And.
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Jonas Knox
And look, I'll say this about, like, going to the Falcons games, and I think we did a report on this, what Arthur Blank was hoping to do. And I think. I don't know if Lavar, you were there for the show. We were talking about how they've actually kept concession prices low for a lot of the families and fans who want to go to Falcons games. You know, the ticket prices are ticket prices, but it's a great atmosphere. Like, had the chance to call a game this year, and I told you guys was like, it was live like that. It was a wild. It was a wild, like, environment. It was awesome. Now, the Falcons did win, but, like, at the end of the day, it was a great experience. Like, the game obviously ended up being, you know, a fun game to watch, was kind of close and all that. But just I'm thinking to myself, they had a fun time. Like, even though their team didn't, they had a fun time. And so there are some teams and franchises that I think do it well.
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Lavar Arrington
But.
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Jonas Knox
But I think Mark Cuban's trying to point out something that, to me, has as much to do with it as anything else. And that's the fan experience. It's been taken away. And I think there is a reality to. When I was a young kid growing up watching the Cleveland Cavs, did I go up saying, oh, it's the Cavs. They're going to beat the Chicago Bulls with Michael Jordan? Hell, no. But I wanted to go see them try.
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Lavar Arrington
They were close, but they were close.
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Jonas Knox
And look, that was part of it. Like, you're seeing a team that was competitive, that almost got there, but didn't quite get there. But I would also say this. Like, if you take away a team's ability to make that decision, that ultimately is going to hurt them. And Tank, did the Cleveland CAVS Ever get LeBron James? I mean, Luca basically got to the Mavericks because Cuban admitted that was a strategy they implemented. I just. I feel like if this is the issue that you really want to harp on, if you're Adam Silver in the NBA, you're kind of Missing it, in my opinion, man. But this is not the issue with your league.
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Lavar Arrington
I think that's why it's the fan. And I'm a stay. I'm a stay true to that. I think the fans suffer when a team tanks. That's who suffers. Because it is about the fan experience. Pro sports, sports in general are, are geared towards catering to the family. And when you tank and, and, and the Cleveland Cavaliers, that's a great example because this was a team that was. That they had talent. I mean, they had what ELO was on that team.
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Jonas Knox
That was a. Yeah, yeah. There was also years that you're not remembering where they weren't good.
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Lavar Arrington
Well, they. I get that it's Cleveland, but with that being said, but with that being said, again, if a team is trying to be competitive, as a fan, you could still get behind that. You can boo, you could be upset, but you can still say they came out and they tried. When you're talking about, hold on, but
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Jonas Knox
no, no, but hold on. Even the guys, if they're like, this is why this argument never works with the NFL. Do the players that are there weeks 16, 17, 18, if the starters aren't in, are those backups going in there saying, well, I'm laying egg today.
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Lavar Arrington
They would be starting if they weren't. If they weren't.
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Jonas Knox
No, but. But that's not the point. If you're talking about effort, but you're talking about those guys doing all they can. They have to.
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Lavar Arrington
Yeah, but that's their livelihood. That's not my focus. My focus is I'm going to play the best players to have the best opportunity to try to win. If those players are available and they're not playing, that's tanking. And if you're tanking when you have your best players available, then for instance.
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Jonas Knox
But that's tanking. Slash, you could call it load management, whatever you want. And look, again, it depends on.
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Lavar Arrington
It depends on what your. Your thought process is not saying, go ahead.
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Jonas Knox
I'm not saying it's ethical. Hear me out. I brought up the Pacific Palisades and the fires and all for this reason. There's people who want to build back their home. They want to do it now. They probably have the means and capability to do it now, but they're not able to. So they can't ramp up and start that building process to move back into their home to be able to, you know, start that new life again or build that new team again because of over regulation. And that's where I feel like you're getting at a little bit here is. It's, it's getting so nuanced. I mean what do you just lift five bullet points of different ways that they're trying to try to curtail tanking?
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Brady Quinn
I, I think, I think this is a clear sign that Adam Silver and the NBA care more about the TV partners and the gambling partners than they do the fans. Because if you cared about the fans the way that you did. Yeah. There would be some sort of an edict around the league to be like, hey man, make it more affordable for fans. Make it more affordable for this. A lot of this was pushed because they're paranoia about gambling and players take, you know, like this guy's resting gambling partners are wonder if this is on the up and up. I think that this is all about the TV revenue and the gambling revenue. I think the fans are third in this, in this order, without a doubt,
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Lavar Arrington
which they should be number one.
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Brady Quinn
Exactly.
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Lavar Arrington
That's the bottom line. It's a consumer driven industry.
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Jonas Knox
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna say something, but you're not gonna like it that the fans dart what pays the bills. It's the TV Meteorites 100.
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Lavar Arrington
Yeah, but stills are based off of how many people are viewing those, those commercials.
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Jonas Knox
Exactly.
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Lavar Arrington
If you take away the fan, the TV rights don't even matter. Like that's the bottom.
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Jonas Knox
There's two, there's two different experiences. Because you can say that, right? The stadiums can be empty, but if people still watch, there's still TV meteorites deals.
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Lavar Arrington
Well, and I mean stadium is ticket sales, concessions.
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Jonas Knox
Exactly, things like that. But people, lavar. People are still watching. That's why the TV meteorites deals are what they are.
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Lavar Arrington
And by the way, that's why the fan mad.
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Jonas Knox
Let me go a step further. What about leagues like the wnba?
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Lavar Arrington
I mean they're supplemented by, by the, by the NBA.
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Jonas Knox
They're subsidized. They're subsidized.
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Lavar Arrington
Yeah.
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Jonas Knox
But there's also. They're still going for extreme value as far as the franchise rights. And they still have TV meteorites deal that if you look at the economics of it, they would say, well, they're not obviously to the viewership of the NBA, but someone's watching. And there's clearly not as many people there in person as there is watching on tv.
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Lavar Arrington
It's still based off of the.
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Jonas Knox
I understand you want the fans to be like first in all this, but that's not how these guys are looking at. They're looking at like a business.
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Brady Quinn
I I think there's a difference between the fan that wants to go to the game and the fan who wants to watch at home. In the sense that, by the way,
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Jonas Knox
if you're taking, you have that choice. You don't have to buy the ticket if you know the team's tank, which is, which is not a decision that you make. Again, like it happens at a certain point halfway through the season or you know, going into the sea. Like the Browns when they, they, when they adopted that strategy. I don't think anyone didn't think that they weren't like they were going to be competitive. Like they openly kind of admitted like what they were kind of doing.
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Brady Quinn
I just think that the product at home has gotten so good that why would you want to go to get. Like there was a story we did about a guy who went to every single NFL stadium this year. He watched a bunch of these games, went to every single stadium. And my big question was why?
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Lavar Arrington
Like, because there's still something connected to an in person experience.
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Brady Quinn
I totally get it. But I think that the number of people who fill up a stadium, NBA, for example. What? 18,000. On a good night, On a really good night at an, at an NBA game, 18,000. If you're, if you're up to the rafters. There's a lot more people that tune in and out of that game on tv if it's on tv, without a doubt. And I think that, I think that Adam Silver with, with the TV partnerships, with the gambling paranoia, I think he looks at that as we'll address the fans later and hope they stick around. We got to make sure that things are right on the TV side and present a better product because more of those people are watching at home.
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Jonas Knox
It's just by the way the players will adapt to this, you know, because this isn't, this is also isn't like a singular issue that just the, the NBA side is trying to, to figure out and fix with the teams. Because load management is a portion of it being players choice too. I mean, how many NBA players have we heard about who want to be, you know, traded or go to another team because their team held them out of games for load management. Like the Max Crosby situation in Las Vegas. Have we heard about an NBA player who was frustrated about the team shutting him down for load management?
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Brady Quinn
No, that guy would sign an extension.
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Lavar Arrington
I don't necessarily agree with that. I think guys are, I do think guys are frustrated when they get load management because that's a way of saying we don't want this player and we don't want to play this player. Load management in some cases is a reference to we're not going to play you. We're trying to move you, and they'll sit you until they're able to move you. That is true. That's very.
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Jonas Knox
What would you call. Okay, what would you. What would you call LeBron this year?
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Lavar Arrington
Probably low management because he's very. He's very old, right? Very old. Saying, there's elements of that, but there's
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Jonas Knox
elements of that with All Stars.
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Lavar Arrington
Hold on, hold on, hold on. That's like.
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Jonas Knox
That's. By the way, I'm using that example because you're in la.
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Lavar Arrington
That's. That's it. Okay. I take that example.
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Jonas Knox
There's other examples of that.
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Lavar Arrington
Load management for a. For a lot longer than looking at one singular person. That's an outlier.
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Jonas Knox
LeBron James is one of combining the two. If you're saying they want to sit him out to move him, that's tanking. That's not load management.
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Lavar Arrington
That's not necessarily tanking either, though.
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Jonas Knox
I like it.
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Lavar Arrington
It's not that black and white.
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Brady Quinn
You're nurturing tone with LeBron. Like, he's very old.
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Lavar Arrington
He's old. He is.
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Brady Quinn
It's like. It's like a dog.
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Lavar Arrington
It is what it is, man. I didn't say like a dog, but he is very old. And load management could go long way if you're trying to make it to the playoffs and him have enough gas later on.
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Jonas Knox
But there are other veteran old players. There's a lot of guys necessarily the
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Lavar Arrington
reason why they do low management with all these players, either. It's not.
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Jonas Knox
If you sit out a guy to move him, then clearly you're not necessarily tanking, but you're not trying to play him because you're trying to rebuild.
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Lavar Arrington
That's. Well, you're not playing him because you don't want to play him because what. For whatever reason, that could be disagreement between coaching player or g. That player
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Jonas Knox
or whatever, the player has complete control over whether or not they want to play. Like if someone came to you and said, you're not playing tonight for load management, the player can be like, f off. I'm gonna go play.
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Lavar Arrington
Yeah, but they might not play him. They're not going to play him. He's not going to go into the game. It's not. No, F off. I'm going into the game. You can't go into the game. They got to put you in the game. They're not going in the game.
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Jonas Knox
Okay, then here's what he'd do. He'd file a grievance with the, with his union to the NBA and say they have to play him. I'm healthy, I'm telling him I want to play.
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Lavar Arrington
They don't have to play them.
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Jonas Knox
You can say they don't have to, but there would be a grievance file if that was the case. You can't force a player who's on the roster, he's healthy, to not play. Like I'm saying, load management, they're in street clothes. You have warm up sitting there like
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Lavar Arrington
a lot of homies behind the scenes that know a lot about a lot of things. Ask them about this topic. That is not true what you're saying. I mean, yeah, sure they can, they can foul a grievance, but they do not have to play a player. If they decide that they're going to move on from a player, I don't care how big his name game is, they will sit him out. They will sit that man out.
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Brady Quinn
And that happens.
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Jonas Knox
Sports. That's okay, Lavar. That's exactly what I'm talking about with Max Crosby and the Raiders. He wanted to play. They sat, they shut him down. They sat him out.
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Lavar Arrington
Yep. Yeah. And we don't, we still don't know what.
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Jonas Knox
How many players have we heard in the NBA who've been seeking a trade and made a big deal about orchestra?
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Lavar Arrington
Because it's just very normalized. So you're not going to hear it as much because it's a normalized practice within that industry. That's all. I mean, it is what it is. It is what it is. I mean, I don't make the rules. It's not me that does it, but I do know that for certain that that is how things are handled at them in, in the NBA.
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Brady Quinn
That's all I'd say it is. The Dan Patrick show here on Fox Sports Radio. It's lavar Arrington, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn with you here on fsr. Two pros and a cup of Joe filling in for Dan and the guys. By the way, you want the vibe of a drink that smooth, warming, kick split, especially on game day without the hangover. That's RK0 proof. World's first zero proof spirits with their patented warm molecule, same feel, zero alcohol. All the cheers, none of the regrets. Try it@rk0proof.com all right, so coming up next here, gonna throw out a little idea, a little idea here to fix two NFL problems in one. And that's yours right here. On fsr Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Fox Sports Radio is taking over YouTube and you can be a part of it. Just go to YouTube and search Fox Sports Radio. Hit that subscribe button and smash that notification bell and catch all the videos from your favorite shows. Two pros and a cup of Joe Dan Patrick, Colin Cowherd, Stu Gotz and
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Brady Quinn
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on the iHeartRadio app on June 11, 1998, a deputy from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing. It's an all out manhunt for John Awjay. Every search and rescue team in LA county has been called in to help. Within days, tips started flooding into the Sheriff's department. The ruler around the drug scene was that a deputy was taken care of. Is this the story of a man who just got lost in the desert? Or of a cover up inside the nation's largest sheriff's department?
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Jonas Knox
A homicide captain saying, detective, do not find out if this guy's guilty or innocent. Who does that?
- [26:26]
Emily Simpson
Valley of Shadows, a new series from Pushkin Industries about crime and corruption in California's high desert. Do you have any advice for us while looking into this disappearance?
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Jonas Knox
I wouldn't do it alone.
- [26:41]
Emily Simpson
Listen to Valley of shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everyone, it's Emily Simpson and Shane Simpson from the Legally Brunette podcast.
- [26:54]
Brady Quinn
Each week we're bringing you true crime through a legal lens.
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Emily Simpson
Whether you want all the facts on the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie or you still need to wrap your head around the Diddy verdict, we're breaking it all down step by step.
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Brady Quinn
And we're not just lawyers, we're also husband and wife. It Makes for some pretty entertaining episodes.
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Emily Simpson
Listen to Legally Brunette on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [27:18]
Jonas Knox
Segregation in the day, Integration at night.
- [27:23]
Emily Simpson
When segregation was the law, one mysterious black club owner had his own rules. We didn't worry about what went on outside. It was like stepping in another world. Inside Charlie's Place, black and white people danced together. But not everyone was happy about it. You saw the kkk.
- [27:43]
Jonas Knox
Yeah, they was dressed up in their uniform.
- [27:46]
Brady Quinn
The KKK set out to raid Charlie,
- [27:49]
Emily Simpson
take him away from here.
- [27:51]
Brady Quinn
Charlie was an example of power.
- [27:56]
Jonas Knox
They had to crush him.
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Emily Simpson
From Atlas Obscura, Rococo Punch and visit Myrtle beach comes Charlie's Place, a story that was nearly lost to time. Until now. Listen to Charlie's place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Jonas Knox
And the winner of the iHeart Podcast Award is.
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Brady Quinn
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Emily Simpson
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Brady Quinn
is the Dan Patrick show here on Fox Sports Radio. Lavar Arrington, come on. Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox in for Dan and the guys here on this Friday morning. Coming up here and we'll call it about 15 minutes from now, we're going to tell you about a feel good story, a happy conclusion to some drama involving an NFL quarterback that took place within the last year. That'll be yours right here on FSR. You can also follow along on the YouTube channel as well too pros FSR. And you can listen as always on the iHeartRadio app where you can stream us wherever you happen to be. Catch us in all of our Fox sports radio shows live 24. 7 in the new and improved iHeartradio app search FOX Sports Radio and the after stream is live all day every day. And be sure to select Fox Sports Radio as one of your presets in the so it will always pop up at the top of your screen. So there was a report out yesterday that I believe it was the Twitter account or X account. NFL rums, NFL rumors. And so for whatever this is worth, apparently Tua Tug of Iloa is intrigued by the Arizona Cardinals, which is like the perfect headline this time of year in the NFL. And I was thinking about this just to make things easier for everybody, all right, Just so we can just like move along with our lives, why don't the Dolphins and Cardinals just swap quarterbacks? Like, let's just save everybody the trouble. Like, you know, the, the, the money, the different, like figure out a way to make that work. It's the same situation. Like it's basically the same guy. Like, let's just swipe, switch quarterbacks here and let's make that happen. And you know what? You know, I think about that because the drama that happened with the Major League Baseball Players association where Tony Clark, the executive director was given the boot, had to resign because they found out that he had hired his sister in law in 2023 and they were having an inappropriate relationship. And I'm looking at it going on the surface, that seems really bad. And then Bob Nightingale, who covers Major League Baseball, was on the blowtorch AM570LA sports with petros Amani this week and he said, yeah, it was tough to tell him apart. Well, if that's the case, what are we doing here? Like, let's, I'm just telling you. So if it's tough to tell the difference between TUA and Kyler Murray from a financial standpoint and a situational standpoint, why don't we just swap it out and everybody moves on with their lives and we can focus on the draft and other offseason.
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Jonas Knox
How does that make the situation better for Arizona?
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Lavar Arrington
It doesn't.
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Jonas Knox
Or Miami?
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Lavar Arrington
It doesn't.
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Brady Quinn
You never know. Maybe they get along better. I'm just saying, like there was a story back in the day, the Yankees swapped wives back in the day, like two guys swap and listen, one of them went sideways and he had a problem. The other one, they lived happily ever after. So you never know, maybe two of being intrigued by Arizona, he says, you know what? That brings me to a place that, that, that I feel like I can, I can work with. And maybe Kyler Murray looks at Miami and he goes, all right, let's give this a spin. I just think at some point, at some point we got to get to the bottom of this stuff. And I find it hard to believe the Dolphins are just going to cut ties and swallow $99 million in dead cat money, which has been rumored.
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Jonas Knox
No one said they're going to. They could easily hold on to TUA for this season, you know, start that process of, of rebuilding new coach, new general manager and move Forward. There's no reason, like, Arizona's looking at Miami like, oh, I wish we had those problems. Let's go ahead and bring that guy in here.
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Brady Quinn
Why not?
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Jonas Knox
That's not what they want.
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Lavar Arrington
They're both available for a reason. I think they've had an opportunity and a time to show that they can play football. I think in proper circumstances situations, you could probably justify saying that both of them could be good again, but I would not. I would hedge my bets on that, and I would not take that type of a chance or that type of a risk. The swap sounds crazy for one. That. That sounds pretty crazy. But, I mean, hey, I, I just don't see at this point in time that being. That being a sensible move. I don't. I. Kyler Murray could potentially make your team a better team. I just. I. I don't know. I. I don't. I don't see it being feasible for. For that to be a. A reasonable swap or exchange.
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Brady Quinn
All right, so let me ask you guys this. Say, and we'll. If you had to guess right now,
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Jonas Knox
why are you trying to be serious?
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Brady Quinn
Okay.
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Jonas Knox
No, this is what I don't get. Like, you're not being serious.
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Brady Quinn
I am being serious for. In this regard. Okay. If you had to put a number on the win total next year for the Dolphins and the Cardinals, what would it be like? We had to put it just. And obviously we don't know the numbers
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Jonas Knox
as of yet because I'll say over under is set at five and a half.
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Brady Quinn
Okay. For both teams. Sure. What does it matter now? If you put Kyler on the Dolphins
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Lavar Arrington
and on the cart, nothing doesn't change.
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Brady Quinn
See what I'm saying?
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Lavar Arrington
Doesn't change.
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Brady Quinn
So what are we doing?
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Lavar Arrington
But that's 18.
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Jonas Knox
Yeah. So why do it? And look at it from this standpoint. You just mentioned the dead cap hit that Miami would have to take on if they moved on from Tua. Right. 99 million.
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Brady Quinn
Yeah.
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Jonas Knox
With post June 1st designation, you could spread that out over the course of the next two years, so you can kind of cut that in half. But why, if you're Arizona, do you want to bring that on? I mean, you'd be taking on a contract that's 99, and that was like 31 after. So like, oh, great, we get to go pay a guy 50 some. Whatever the cap it is for this upcoming season. 50 plus million that we don't necessarily believe in. Just so what? So we can help Miami with their problems. I mean, the only way that anything would make sense is in exchange for draft picks, and that's essentially what you'd be doing. You'd be taking on a player, his contract, his salary, to buy draft picks. That's what it'd be about.
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Brady Quinn
I think we were talking about this last week on the show, and we agreed that. But what would make the most sense from a financial standpoint and where they're at and what's available in the draft and what's out there is if they, you know, both guys stayed where they're at, and. And we give this another year, and then if you decide to move on, you decide to move on, and it's a better draft class and all that stuff, and there. Maybe there's more options out there, but everybody keeps saying that's not happening, it's over. That's not happening. It's over. We talked to Albert Breer last week when his phone worked, and everyone keeps saying that's not happening, it's over. The Dolphins are done with Kyler Murray and the Arizona Cardinals are done. Yet the thing that makes the most sense is for them to not be done, like, financially doesn't make sense for them to do that. Unless this is the NFL's version of tanking. And the Dolphins and Cardinals are like, we want one of those guys in the draft, whether it's C.J. carr, Dante Moore, you know, Arch Manning, whoever, next year, and this is our version of tanking. So we need to rid ourselves of anybody that's going to give us a better chance to win.
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Lavar Arrington
Why can't they just be moving on? New coaching staff, new. New beginning. Why can't it just be moving on? Why does it have to be $99
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Brady Quinn
million if they cut them?
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Lavar Arrington
But it has not worked. But it hasn't worked out. I mean, I get that it's $99 million, but it hasn't worked out. So you've gone to. You've gone to a new. A new regime. You've gone to a new regime.
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Jonas Knox
Why.
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Lavar Arrington
Why is it such a problem to. To think that they can't. They can't go in a different direction with a. With a different coach, different GM like that? That can't work. I know it's a lot of money, but why do it just to do it? That's my point. Like, why. Why are you doing it just to do it? I don't get that.
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Jonas Knox
I think we talked about this maybe a week ago, too. The league now will move on from a head coach rather quick. And not to play into your hypothetical scenario, but is it in the best Interest of either quarterback and either team. If they do a swap like this, both quarterbacks in new systems, new environments, new, you know, personnel around them, you think either of them are going to flourish. There's a better chance that Tua staying through this year as a Dolphin and Kyler staying in Arizona through this year as well would both perform better having at least more continuity to being in the same place organization and personnel that they're throwing to. If you want to start overall again with both of them, like, that's not a winning formula for me. So if I'm a new head coach, I don't know that I'm looking at that saying, especially talking to my owner, saying, like, yeah, this is, you know, this is what's in the best interest of the Dolphins or Cardinals moving forward or for me as a head coach, I think you'd want to have a veteran guy that, granted, maybe you don't necessarily believe in, make him prove you wrong or make him prove you right, you know, however you feel about it. But financially they are getting to a point where they're hamstrung. And even if they do want to start over, if you're saying, oh, they're going to tank, okay, like, you know, this would be an instance of that. Like, the NFL hasn't put in any protective measures. And by the way, is that not the faster way? If The Dolphins went 314 next season or 2 and 15, and they have the number one overall pick and they have their pick of Dante Moore, C.J. carr, whoever, arch Manning, it's probably the fastest way to turn things around. It's gonna be hard on the books, but now you've got a rookie number one overall pick who's gonna be relatively cheap for the next three or four years. Years. So not to like, tie back in the tanking conversation with the NBA, but that's the fastest way to, to solve the issue. If you do want to move on and, and take that cap hit, do a post June 1 designation and make it not as burdensome if you're Miami, a little different circumstances for Arizona. But like, I, I look at this and just say, I don't know why they wouldn't want to see this through, at least for this season, for both players in both scenarios to get to a better financial spot. I mean, even with them, it's not like they still couldn't potentially be in contention for a top pick.
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Lavar Arrington
And it's, and it's already been discussed with Pete Prisco that you're not going to get it through free Agency. Yeah, you're not going to find a guy that's going to make your team much better than the two that you have. So it's like, is your alternative of what you're doing going to make you better in the short term or are you looking at it being a long term situation? If it's a long term, then you should give them another go because of how much money you gotta pay or how much money you gotta eat. Nobody's going to take that nut and crack it. Nobody's. That no other team is going to take those financial nuts and be like, yeah, we can bring this guy in and he's going to be a difference maker for our team. I mean, Kyler Murray may be a tad bit intriguing, but you got to think that the injuries connected to, to what TUA has had in the past, which suggests that that isn't the way to go.
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Jonas Knox
Can I quickly ask this? Like, how many teams are looking for a new quarterback? Like if, if you had to put up a list, I mean, Las Vegas draft number one overall. So they'll probably take Mendoza. They've got their guy. The rest of the AFC west has their quarterbacks. The AFC South. The only one you'd say would be in question is Daniel Jones coming off an injury in Indianapolis. The rest have their quarterbacks. Minnesota, AFC north, same thing.
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Lavar Arrington
Raiders, Jets. Minnesota is the three. That would come to my mind right off the top of my head.
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Jonas Knox
Right. But. But the jets and then the jets are a legitimate one. Raiders will say solve that with the first overall pick. But then you start looking at the rest of them. Minnesota, that's a question mark. The Giants maybe feel like they're good for now, but could be a question mark. But you start going through the league. I just, I'm not even sure how many trade partners there are for Kyler or tua. Unless Miami or Arizona's gonna have to pay a lot of that contract again probably in exchange for draft capital for one of those teams. Like, there's just not that many open spots right now for.
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Brady Quinn
For quarterbacks, it is the Dan Patrick show here on fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox in for Dan and the guys up next though. Hey, speaking of quarterbacks, somebody who was vilified about a year ago, some revenge and the good kind. That's yours here on fsr. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to Listen Live On June
- [41:43]
Emily Simpson
11, 1998, a deputy from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing. It's an all out manhunt for John Auge. Every search and rescue team in LA county has been called in to help. Within days tips started flooding into the sheriff's department. They ruler around the drug scene. Was that a deputy was taken care of. Is this the story of a man who just got lost in the desert? Or of a cover up inside the nation's largest sheriff's department?
- [42:13]
Jonas Knox
A homicide captain saying detective, do not find out if this guy's guilty or innocent. Who does that?
- [42:20]
Emily Simpson
Valley of Shadows a new series from Pushkin Industries about crime and corruption in California's high desert. Do you have any advice for us while looking into this disappearance?
- [42:33]
Jonas Knox
I wouldn't do it alone.
- [42:36]
Emily Simpson
Listen to Valley of shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everyone, it's Emily Simpson and Shane Simpson from the Legally Brunette podcast.
- [42:48]
Brady Quinn
Each week we're bringing you true crime through a legal lens.
- [42:51]
Emily Simpson
Whether you want all the facts on the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie or you still need to wrap your head around the Diddy verdict, we're breaking it all down step by step.
- [43:01]
Brady Quinn
And we're not just lawyers. We're also husband and wife life. It makes for some pretty entertaining episodes.
- [43:06]
Emily Simpson
Listen to Legally Brunette on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [43:12]
Jonas Knox
And the winner of the iHeart Podcast Award is.
- [43:15]
Brady Quinn
You can decide who takes home the 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards Podcast of the Year by voting at iHeartPodcastAwards.com now through February 22nd. See all the nominees and place your vote at iHeartPodcastAwards dot com Audible is
- [43:30]
Emily Simpson
a proud sponsor of the Audible Audio Pioneer Award. Explore the best selection of audiobooks, podcasts and originals all in one easy app. Audible. There's more to imagine when you listen. Sign up for a free trial@audible.com Segregation
- [43:44]
Jonas Knox
in the day, integration at night.
- [43:49]
Emily Simpson
When segregation was the law, one mysterious black club owner had his own rules. We didn't worry about what went on outside. It was like stepping in another world. Inside Charlie's place, black and white people danced together. But not everyone was happy about it. You saw the kkk.
- [44:08]
Jonas Knox
Yeah.
- [44:09]
Brady Quinn
They was dressed up in their uniform. The KKK set out to raid Charlie,
- [44:15]
Emily Simpson
take him away from here.
- [44:17]
Lavar Arrington
Charlie was an example of power they had to crush.
- [44:24]
Emily Simpson
From Atlas Obscura, Rococo Punch and visit Myrtle beach comes Charlie's place, a story that was nearly Lost to time until now. Listen to Charlie's place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Jonas Knox
I'm Daniel Jeremiah.
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Brady Quinn
And I'm Greg Rosenthal.
- [44:47]
Jonas Knox
And this is 40s and free agents.
- [44:49]
Brady Quinn
The games may be over, but the NFL never stops. This is my favorite part of the calendar.
- [44:55]
Jonas Knox
Yeah, mine too, Greg. Free agency, the combine, the NFL draft, pro days, trades. This is where teams reshape their future.
- [45:02]
Brady Quinn
This is where Daniel Jeremiah makes his money on 40s and free agents. We break down every move that actually
- [45:08]
Jonas Knox
matters, from my draft evaluations, mock drafts,
- [45:11]
Brady Quinn
and team fits to my top 101 free agents and how real rosters are built. Cap space, contracts, and all the top tough decisions included.
- [45:20]
Jonas Knox
You got quarterbacks on the move.
- [45:21]
Brady Quinn
We got teams rebuilding. It's hope season.
- [45:24]
Jonas Knox
Yeah, absolutely. It's hope season. We'll tell you what's real, what's noise, and what it means for your favorite team.
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Brady Quinn
Smart, analysis, real conversations every week.
- [45:34]
Jonas Knox
I don't know about the smart, but definitely analysis. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever
- [45:40]
Brady Quinn
you get your podcasts. It is the Dan Patrick show here on Fox Sports Radio. Levar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you coming up.
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Lavar Arrington
This is Q's favorite favorite artists, big time.
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Jonas Knox
First off, you know who mine is?
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Lavar Arrington
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
- [46:02]
Brady Quinn
You.
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Lavar Arrington
You. You were going with Daddy Yankee. Oh, oh, my bad, my bad. What's this? How you say it again?
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Jonas Knox
It was dotty. Yankee.
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Lavar Arrington
Yeah, there you go.
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Brady Quinn
All right.
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Jonas Knox
Daddy Yankee.
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Brady Quinn
Yeah, Sit right in.
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Jonas Knox
At home, I'm so bad with accents, though. I'm like the worst person to go anywhere where someone's got an accent. I don't know why. I just, I can't understand it. Like, my, my oldest daughter, my in laws are from Boston, so they've, you know, Pocket Kahava. Yeah, like, they talk like that. And so my oldest daughter has some words. She says that sound like she's from Boston.
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Brady Quinn
Really?
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Jonas Knox
Yeah.
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Brady Quinn
Pretty sweet.
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Jonas Knox
We. Well, and the funny thing was I remember when she was in preschool, they talked because they're like, oh, we think she has a hard time pronouncing her Rs. And I said, well, have you met my in laws? Like, they're like, oh, they're like. I was like, yeah, that's their grandparents. I said, they, they're from Boston, so they know. I was like, that might be what you're catching on. She's like, oh, okay, that makes sense. That makes sense.
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Brady Quinn
So, yeah, well, I don't know. I mean, listen, I was getting ready. That would be offensive. Never mind. I'll just leave that alone. I was gonna try and make a comp to oh no to my son, but oh no. Wouldn't go well. But it would fit with the song we came back with. Coming up top of next hour here on the Dan Patrick show. We do have an update. We've got an update on a major event that is about to take place here a short time from now. So we'll get into that for you here. Also, check out our brand new YouTube channel for the show. Just search 2 Pros FSR on YouTube again. That's 2 Pros FSR. Be sure to hit the subscribe button. Don't stop there at the thumbs up icon and comment away. Let us know who on the show you agree with, who you think is wrong. But check out our new channel on YouTube again, just search Search2Pros FSR and subscribe quickly. Teddy Bridgewater. You guys remember when he got popped last year because he was giving away money to his players when he was coaching high school football? So the Florida senate passed the Teddy Bridgewater act bill that would allow middle and high school head coaches to use up to $15,000 of their own funds to support student.
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Lavar Arrington
That's pretty cool.
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Brady Quinn
Transportation and recovery service. Love that.
- [48:10]
Lavar Arrington
Love that.
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Brady Quinn
Nice little happy conclusion to what happened with Teddy Bridgewater.
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Emily Simpson
All right.
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Brady Quinn
Because he was like paying for Uber, so the kids come on back.
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Lavar Arrington
Paying for food.
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Brady Quinn
Been there.
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Lavar Arrington
Good. God bless whoever decided to do that and put that in legislation. Good for you. That should be in every state. By the way, Brady.
- [48:31]
Brady Quinn
Brady wanted him suspended for four games.
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Jonas Knox
Why do you say?
- [48:35]
Brady Quinn
I don't know.
- [48:36]
Jonas Knox
Why do you do this?
- [48:37]
Brady Quinn
I don't know why you wanted it.
- [48:38]
Jonas Knox
It.
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Brady Quinn
It's a good guy trying to help the kids.
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Lavar Arrington
Why'd you do this, Jonas?
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Jonas Knox
You knew. First off, I've helped out coach in south Florida. None of the coaches get paid enough. They need bigger budgets, need bigger everything.
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Lavar Arrington
Then you got to pay out money to be able to do cpr. All these certifications. So they're making money off of you as. As coaches. It's kind of crazy.
- [48:59]
Jonas Knox
Well, Jonas. Jonas will gladly let anyone do CPR on him.
- [49:02]
Brady Quinn
That's true. Mouth to mouth only with my hands behind my back, though. Funky breath, chitlin breath.
- [49:08]
Emily Simpson
On June 11, 1998, a deputy from the Los Angeles county sheriff's department went missing.
- [49:15]
Brady Quinn
Hey, if they'll kill a cop and bury him, what are they gonna do to me?
- [49:18]
Emily Simpson
What really happened to the missing deputy Valley of Shadows, a new series from Pushkin Industries about crime and corruption in California's high desert. Listen to Valley of Shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everyone, it's Emily Simpson and Shane Simpson from the Legally Brunette podcast.
- [49:44]
Brady Quinn
Each week we're bringing you true crime through a legal lens.
- [49:47]
Emily Simpson
Whether you want all the facts on the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie or you still need to wrap your head around the Diddy verdict, we're breaking it all down step by step.
- [49:57]
Brady Quinn
And we're not just lawyers. We're also husband and wife life. It makes for some pretty entertaining episodes.
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Emily Simpson
Listen to Legally Brunette on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jonas Knox
And the winner of the iHeart Podcast Award is.
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Brady Quinn
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Segregation in the day, integration at night.
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It was like stepping in another world. Was he a businessman? A criminal? A hero?
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Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush him.
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