Hour 2 - NFL Draft Letdowns

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 2: NFL Draft Letdowns

Release Date: April 22, 2025

Introduction

In the second hour of The Dan Patrick Show titled "NFL Draft Letdowns," hosts Steve Covino and Rich Davis delve deep into the evolution of the NFL Draft, celebrate significant "glow ups" over the past five decades, and reflect on notable draft disappointments. The discussion is enriched with listener interactions, providing a comprehensive look at the transformative journey of sports, technology, and cultural phenomena.

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1. Evolution of the NFL Draft

Steve Covino and Rich Davis commence their discussion by highlighting the dramatic transformation of the NFL Draft from a modest event to a globally anticipated spectacle.

• Quote: Rich Davis humorously contrasts the past and present NFL Draft environments:

  "Being that the NFL draft went from a bunch of old balding guys with beige phones in a wood panel. What seemed like a VFW hall an old NFL draft looked like. Honestly, your dad playing poker with his buddies in the basement somewhere." [04:00]

They emphasize how the draft now attracts nearly a million attendees in host cities, complete with celebrity appearances, advanced graphics, and high-stakes excitement.

• Quote: Covino underscores the scale:

  "And now practically 500,000 to a million people show up in a city. Celebrities are out and about." [04:18]

2. Highlighting Major "Glow Ups" Over 50 Years

The hosts explore various sectors that have experienced significant advancements or "glow ups," drawing parallels to the NFL Draft's evolution.

• Gym and Fitness Industry:

  --> Discussed the shift from rudimentary home workouts to sophisticated gym memberships and fitness culture.

  "I really think gyms, fitness, all the different workout plans, personal trainers... everybody you know now I would say most people you know, well, in that case, I want a membership to some type of gym." [05:38]

• Automotive Industry:

  --> Highlighted the transformation of car designs and technology.

  "Any car, I think cars in general, just the idea of the new Bronco... cars have evolved." [06:52]

• Technology and Video Games:

  --> Discussed the leap from rotary phones to smartphones and the advancement of video game graphics.

  "Your iPhone is an appendage. You can't go anywhere without your phone." [07:03]

  "Video games have come a long way, much like the NFL draft." [16:11]

• Marijuana Legalization:

  --> Traced the shift from taboo to mainstream acceptance and legalization.

  "Marijuana was like, you know, it was something taboo... now it's just accepted and it's sophistication." [21:26]

3. Listener Interactions: Celebrating "Glow Ups"

Throughout the episode, the hosts engage with listener calls, sharing personal anecdotes and expanding on the "glow ups" theme.

• Example Call from Brian in South Dakota:

  --> Emphasized the impact of Tiger Woods on making golf popular.

  "Tiger Woods and golf... Tiger Woods made golf cool." [17:05]

• Example Call from Pete:

  --> Noted advancements in the NHL, including the Winter Classic and improved media coverage.

  "The NHL has really come a long way in the last 50 years with the Winter Classic and the outdoor games." [14:03]

4. Transition to NFL Draft Letdowns

Shifting gears, Steve Covino and Rich Davis transition to discussing their personal experiences with NFL Draft picks that didn't meet expectations, termed "letdowns."

• Quote: Covino reflects on his overestimation:

  "I thought Trey Lance was going to do it. And I was way wrong with Trey Lance." [35:08]

5. Notable NFL Draft Letdowns

The hosts cite several high-profile draft picks that fell short of their projected potential, discussing the impact on teams and their own expectations.

• Josh Rosen:

  --> Highlighted as a hyped quarterback who didn't fulfill his promise.

  "I really bought into the fact that he was hyped about proving everybody wrong. I was wrong about that." [33:25]

• Trey Lance:

  --> Discussed as a promising pick for the 49ers that didn't pan out as expected.

  "He had some athleticism... And I know there was not much tape of him. I was convinced that the 49ers with Trey Lance had their guy." [35:37]

• Jamarcus Russell:

  --> Cited as one of the most significant busts in NFL history.

  "Jamarcus Russell... he just didn't have what it took, and had some bad habits and was lazy." [38:45]

• Additional Examples:

  --> Mentioned Ryan Leaf, Sam Bradford, and Donovan McNabb as players who didn't meet expectations.

  "Ryan Leaf is probably on the list. Jamarcus Russell is number one." [49:43]

6. Reflections on Expectations vs. Performance

The hosts contemplate the discrepancy between initial hype and actual performance, pondering whether the issue lies with the players or their own expectations.

• Quote: Covino questions the root cause:

  "Maybe our expectations were wrong from the get-go. Maybe that player gave you everything he had. That's all he really ever had. But it was you that were wrong, not them." [52:09]

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Conclusion

Steve Covino and Rich Davis wrap up the hour by emphasizing the unpredictable nature of the NFL Draft and the ongoing fascination it holds for fans. They encourage listeners to engage with the show through calls and prepare for upcoming draft events, maintaining a balance between celebrating advancements and acknowledging setbacks in the sports world.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• "Video games have come a long way, much like the NFL draft." — Rich Davis [16:11]
• "Tiger Woods and golf... Tiger Woods made golf cool." — Listener Call [17:05]
• "I really thought Trey Lance was going to do it. And I was way wrong with Trey Lance." — Steve Covino [35:08]
• "Jamarcus Russell... he just didn't have what it took, and had some bad habits and was lazy." — Danny G. [38:45]
• "Maybe our expectations were wrong from the get-go. Maybe that player gave you everything he had. That's all he really ever had. But it was you that were wrong, not them." — Steve Covino [52:09]

Final Thoughts

This episode offers a nostalgic yet critical examination of the NFL Draft's journey, intertwined with broader cultural and technological evolutions. By blending personal anecdotes with listener input, Steve Covino and Rich Davis provide an engaging narrative that resonates with sports enthusiasts and general audiences alike.

Transcript

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[Danny G.]

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[Rich Davis]

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[Rich Davis]

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[Rich Davis]

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[Steve Covino]

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[Rich Davis]

Did you wake up early this morning and do Cholofit?

[Steve Covino]

I did. Always do Cholo fit right before the show, right? Yeah, right before the show. Shout out to Creeper. And thank you guys for hanging out with us again. Cnr, we're normally on five to seven on the East. Check our podcast search. Covino and Rich, most cars on the road could use a little TLC. Rich.

[Rich Davis]

Oh, @ Mako we bring your car back to life with affordable paint jobs and light collision repairs. Get a free estimate today. Oh, better get Mako now. I'm reading all the feedback. A lot of great answers of what has gotten the biggest glow up over the last 50 years. Being that the NFL draft went from a bunch of old balding guys with beige phones in a wood panel. What seemed like a VFW hall an old NFL draft looked like. Honestly, your dad playing poker with his buddies in the basement somewhere.

[Steve Covino]

Really did. It was like a bumper pool table there in the corner.

[Rich Davis]

Dartboard.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, some dude passed out.

[Rich Davis]

And now practically 500,000 to a million people show up in a city. Celebrities are out and about. I guess it before the graphics packages they have people printing jerseys with the new players names on them in the back and Goodell's giving bro hugs to every guy. The NFL draft might be the number one answer on the board. Some close runners up wrestling the world of UFC politics on a bigger stage. And I thought of another one. What's got the biggest glow up over the last 50 years? We picked a round number. 50 years. So from the 70s till now, what's blown up the most? And unless your dad was, you know, Mr. Olympia or Grandpappy was the guy that was the one guy that went to the gym. I really think gyms, fitness, all the different workout plans, personal trainers. Your dad may have had, as you always say, the bull worker or some dumbbells in the garage. Maybe, maybe if your dad was.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, I look like a strong man from the 50s. Just like a bigger upper torso, but no real muscle tone.

[Rich Davis]

The most you saw Maybe in the 80s as a kid was your one friend's dad, who was in shape, might have in the garage had a bench press. Yeah, but everyone you know now I would say most people you know, well.

[Steve Covino]

In that case, I want a membership.

[Rich Davis]

To some type of gym.

[Steve Covino]

I want to throw booties into the conversation. Because growing up, I'm not. Anybody had one. Now everybody has one.

[Rich Davis]

It's a great answer, right? So, yeah, booty's got the evolution of the butt.

[Danny G.]

Like Sir Mix A Lot was early on it.

[Rich Davis]

Sir Mix A Lot was way early.

[Steve Covino]

Remember when he did his video on top of Ass Mountain?

[Rich Davis]

Kavino's been trying. Kavina's been trying to vacation there ever since.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, I was, I went to Seattle. I'm like, where's Ass Mountain? The one Sir Mix A Lot stood on? I couldn't find it. So anyway, biggest glow ups and evolution based on the NFL draft. Because it really has come a long way. It's a spectacle with oceans of people. Now I got two examples. It doesn't have to be events or anything like that could be a person. How about we were just talking about Mako and how your car needs a little tlc. Yeah, how about like cars, like, I mean any car for that example, but like Kia comes to mind because years ago Kia was like a weak ass car. Now you see like a Stinger. No, but now you're like, is that a Nine Inch Nails logo? What is that? Is that a Nine Inch Nails car? No, it's a Kia. And you see these new cars. Pick any car and just think of how it evolved. And man, that's man, the Centro when I was a kid look like ass now. It's kind of cool looking.

[Rich Davis]

Any car, I think cars in general, just the idea of the new Bronco, like any car, just what you have in your car.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, just cars. And then as far as people, most.

[Rich Davis]

New cars have a pretty much a flat screen TV in the front.

[Steve Covino]

Glow ups. How about our boy Spot here who's on the videos at Cavino and Rich Spot center. If you want to see him. When we met Spot in the early 2000s, and I say this respectfully, it's a. It's a compliment. He looked like Jonah Hill. Like old Jonah. Now he looks like Travis Kelsey's brother or something. He looks like a Kelsey brother. I do. So, I mean, glow ups are a real thing.

[Rich Davis]

I mean, that, that's a personal example.

[Danny G.]

Yeah.

[Steve Covino]

I mean, why is that wrong?

[Rich Davis]

Because no one knows Spot.

[Steve Covino]

I said look him up at Spot Center. At Spot Center. Check them out.

[Rich Davis]

I mean, scroll back far enough, you'll see me, you'll see Fats.

[Steve Covino]

What better example than a person?

[Rich Davis]

I mean, check out Spot if you want to see Jim selfies. Yeah, you want to. That's not neat.

[Steve Covino]

He went from like lazy guy, couch potato dude to guy flexing on social media, putting out thirst traps. All. I don't post that much. You don't have to scroll back that.

[Danny G.]

Far to see Fat Spot.

[Rich Davis]

Big Mike who runs this place.

[Danny G.]

Who?

[Rich Davis]

You know, Mike that runs iHeart and Fox Sports. He was saying simply how we communicate with each other. He goes, think of, he said, personal communications. Think of like your. Your beepers and your first cell phones compared to how now you are. Your iPhone is an appendage. You can't go anywhere without your phone. I remember, well, we talked about like a month ago, my phone, I dropped. My phone. I broke. I was without my phone for two hours while I had to drop it off at the Apple store. Those two hours, I felt like I was living on Little house on the Prairie. I was like, do I need to churn my own butter? Do I need to go hunting? No, I just didn't have my phone for two hours.

[Steve Covino]

So the biggest glow ups of our lifetime. Well, the past 50 years. Your calls now, your feedback. 87799 on Fox. The top three for us. WWE Wrestling, WrestleMania. I mean, spectacle production, crazy UFC, just major event. Comic Con was a great one. That was Danny G's nomination. NFL draft has to be the number one. I suggested Spot. Rich was mad at that. So I'll say Susan Boyle. I'm not mad. Yes. She went from like the bride of Frankenstein to like a decent looking older lady.

[Rich Davis]

Well, I mean, she was hideous.

[Steve Covino]

I know eight seven.

[Rich Davis]

And I say that like, not really respectfully, because Nikki Glaser, who? I love Nikki. Nikki Glaser does a really funny bit. If you follow the comedian, you hated.

[Steve Covino]

Her because she was just old enough.

[Rich Davis]

She does a whole bit about how when Susan Boyle came Out on. What was that? Britain's got Talent or X Factor or whatever it was. She goes, we were all appalled. Like, how could someone so hideous sing like that? It's really.

[Steve Covino]

Get her off the stage.

[Rich Davis]

Get her off the stage.

[Steve Covino]

Her giant head.

[Rich Davis]

So there have been glow ups throughout the years. You could chime in with yours at Covinon Rich in for Dan Patrick. In fact, you know what, the phones are all lit, so we'll take some more of your feedback. And while we do that, let's talk about the NFL draft for a second. Two days away, right? Yeah. Wednesday 13.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah.

[Rich Davis]

As my kids would say, two sleeps.

[Steve Covino]

Two more sleeps. It'll be like nudie magazine day.

[Rich Davis]

NFL Draft Day is big. And I'll tell you why. I mean, you know this. But if you're, if you root for a miserable team, the NFL draft gives you. Gives you hope. Like, if you're, if you're rooting for a team that's consistently a bottom feeder, there's a sense of like, day of hope. Yeah, it really is. It sounds corny, but it's a day of, maybe this is the year we'll get that. We'll get our Patrick Mahomes of new beginnings. Maybe we'll get our Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen. Maybe we'll get our, you know, Nick Bosa or, you know, Miles Garrett. Maybe we'll get our guy. That will change.

[Steve Covino]

Ah, you know what, speaking of, I'm sorry to interrupt. You said, you know, like 12 times right there. So you made me think of Rocky Balboa. You know, he got a glow up from Rocky 2 to Rocky 3 and even Rocky 3 to Rocky 4. He went from like, you, it smells meanly. Absolutely. To Rocky 3. He had that poofy hair. Remember? He was all ripped and like, yo, look at my poofy hair. Now I hang out with Mr. T. And then in Rocky 4, he was super ripped and shredded. He's like, yo, now I'm like playing like I'm wearing like Hugo Boss shirts. Absolutely. And then Rocky 5, he was like downhill again. But by Rocky 4, we saw the evolution. He went from like Dazzo's goon to like a sophisticated guy.

[Rich Davis]

I know he got manhandled. I know he got manhandled and, you know, almost beat to death by Drago.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah.

[Rich Davis]

You know, in this fictional movie.

[Steve Covino]

But, yeah, but remember he was wearing that hat. He was a hitman and he got all sophisticated.

[Rich Davis]

I thought the progression of Rocky's intelligence was always funny to me. Yeah, you're right. He started out as gozo's goon.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rich Davis]

You know, yeah. He was living. He was honestly one step above, like hobo living. Then by Rocky iv, he was all sophisticated robot and then, you know, gets beat up by Drago and he sort of like.

[Steve Covino]

And now he's a bull.

[Rich Davis]

He's dumb again.

[Steve Covino]

Now I'm dumb and like, yo. And I'm like punchy. I got what you call a relaxed brain. Absolutely.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah.

[Steve Covino]

I mean, you said, you know, like, like Balboa like 15 times. So you made me think of him.

[Rich Davis]

He intentional. I said, you know.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, I know, but you saw his evolution. So the greatest evolutions of our lifetime, the biggest glow ups. But honestly, you saw how ripped Stallone got as that went on.

[Rich Davis]

No doubt. You know what? Got it. You know who got a glow up physically. And then we'll talk more about, like, events and things. Chris Pratt. Big Seattle Seahawks fan. Remember, Chris Pratt was just like the funny, chubby guy on, you know, sitcoms and news, then all sudden is like ripped Chris Pratt. Like, what. What happened here?

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, good example.

[Rich Davis]

Let's say hi to Khloe Kardashian. What about her? Chloe was like the. The Outcast sibling. Like, oh, poor Chloe. Now it's like there's people that like, no Chloe. So let's go to Mike, Virginia. We'll take a couple quickies and then we'll talk about the actual NFL draft. What's up, Michael?

[Steve Covino]

How you doing, guys?

[Rich Davis]

What's up?

[Steve Covino]

How you doing, guys? Hey, so real quick, I would think a movie franchise that has a huge glow up is probably faster than furious and. But Technology wise, I'm 50 years old that I think had a really glow up and it's like evolutionized. You guys are probably feeling them right now. It's the phone. Because I remember using that rotary dial and you know, with the phone and now we got the Android and Apple phones and it's just ridiculous.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, a definite game changer. I mean, you're right. Your grandma had the rotary phone on the wall and now we don't even call people. We just carry around a little computer on our hands. So. Yeah, that.

[Steve Covino]

That is insane.

[Rich Davis]

Pete in Florida. What's up, Pete?

[Steve Covino]

What's up, Pete? Hey, guys, how you doing? Love the show.

[Danny G.]

Hey, you know, I think the NHL has really come a long way in.

[Steve Covino]

The last 50 years with the, you know, the Winter Classic and the outdoor games and the all star event they had this year with the four countries.

[Danny G.]

Growing up in the.

[Steve Covino]

You 68 years old hockey.

[Danny G.]

Unless you had a local channel, you.

[Steve Covino]

Weren'T getting anything, so coverage is great too.

[Rich Davis]

Thank you, Pete.

[Steve Covino]

Great answer, man. Thank you.

[Rich Davis]

I was going to say the thing they did this year was not so much a glow up, but a big step in the right direction for hockey.

[Steve Covino]

How about this, Rich? I mean, again, these are obvious ones. I don't want to steal everyone's great answer. We're going to get to your phones. 87799 on Fox. Guess what the Easter Bunny brought me this past weekend.

[Rich Davis]

What did the Easter Bunny bring you, by the way?

[Steve Covino]

Shout out to my peeps, brought me those mini Cadbury crack eggs that I can't stop eating.

[Rich Davis]

And.

[Steve Covino]

And a handheld, like a bootleg Game Boy device. But it's bootleg, meaning it has over 40,000 video games on one little handheld console. So it's arcade games, Atari games, Sega games. Every game on this one little thing, right? Color screen is great. Game Boy games. I never really played Game Boy, but it's a handheld device. But it has all our old school, like Nintendo games. RBI baseball.

[Rich Davis]

Where'd you get it, China?

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, yeah, it's bootleg. People like, where'd you get that? I'm like, I don't know. Whatever link my girlfriend got it from is expired. So I don't know. And it's great. But when you think about glow ups, I'm sitting there playing RBI baseball and I'm just thinking about the glow up of video games today. Like, they're so advanced that they're no fun for me. You know what I mean? Like, I remember playing RBI over something that's out today, which looks like real life people. It's ridiculous.

[Rich Davis]

There was a Tom Brady meme a couple years ago in his final season where they showed, this is how long Tom Brady's been in football. And they showed picture one was him like pixelated in an old Madden game. And now he was in like, you know, a couple of years ago, like.

[Steve Covino]

A Minecraft character or something.

[Rich Davis]

And now square. And now those games look so good where your parents are like, is that a real mom? That's not a real thing. That, that's the game saying.

[Steve Covino]

But you know, I'm in that mindset because I'm playing all this primitive stuff. I'm playing a primitive game of tech mobile. And the coolest part of the graphic is Bo Jackson giving a high five where I'm playing double dribble. Playing old school double dribble. And you know, you see the games today, like, man, talk about glow ups and technology. Video games have come a long way, much like the NFL draft. I really do think it's a top three, if not number one answer, and we'll see it this week of how far the draft has come.

[Rich Davis]

You don't think the reverse dunk graphics were good?

[Steve Covino]

They were cool in double dribble, but that was the epitome. That was like the height of cool graphics growing up. The double dribble slam dunk. Now. Next level.

[Rich Davis]

Glow up, Brian. You know, we'll take. We'll take three more quick phone calls. Brian in South Dakota. What's up, Brian?

[Steve Covino]

Hey, guys. Good morning.

[Rich Davis]

Good morning, bud.

[Steve Covino]

Hey, love listening to your show.

[Rich Davis]

As far as for glow ups, I think you're missing one of the most obvious. Tiger woods and golf. Yo. Golf was like your. Like, no young player. No young person was into golf.

[Steve Covino]

No.

[Rich Davis]

At all. He made it cool, and Tiger woods made golf cool. You know, he. That is a great answer.

[Steve Covino]

Proof that one guy could make a difference.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah.

[Steve Covino]

I mean, he made it cool.

[Rich Davis]

When we were kids, it was like Chichi Rodriguez and doing funny handshakes and it's not cool.

[Steve Covino]

That was not what we know.

[Rich Davis]

Fish and Pa. What's up, man?

[Steve Covino]

How you doing, buddy?

[Rich Davis]

What up?

[Steve Covino]

I'm thinking wrestling early on. I'm 57, so early on, there was a Haystack Calhoun.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Rich Davis]

Big fat farmer guy. Yeah. Wrestling has come the longest way, man.

[Steve Covino]

He was like five to six hundred pounds, bibbed overalls, bare feet, and as part of the show, they would bring him in on a forklift to get him up into the. Into the ring. Yeah.

[Rich Davis]

That was wrestling. Got to be a top answer.

[Steve Covino]

Would you say serious question.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah.

[Steve Covino]

As far as evolution and glow up, as we're saying, as the kiddos say, wrestling beat the NFL draft. Or would you say.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, I don't.

[Steve Covino]

Because you think of the. You said it. It was like they were doing the draft from your grandpa's basement, smoking cigars like there was nothing going on.

[Rich Davis]

And now it's a global spectacle.

[Steve Covino]

That's. Yeah.

[Rich Davis]

Wrestling still.

[Steve Covino]

It was low budget, but it was still a crowd there, and people were into it.

[Danny G.]

It still had a lot of action.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah. I really still think the NFL draft is one of the craziest evolutions we've seen. And no one really talks about that. Like, it's come such a long way. And it's weird, though, because we've seen what a spectacle it is. For whatever reason, it's been a trend this season that a lot of kids are turning down the invites.

[Rich Davis]

Well, I mean, because it's cold there. I've known you since the 2000s. I mean, we've been friends for 20 years.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah.

[Rich Davis]

Since we were young men in our 20s. When we first were friends, the NFL draft wasn't even that big of a deal. It was big, but wasn't in a city where they had fans and a spectacle. It was more like in a hotel conference. Like a hotel conference. Yeah. Like it evolved to that. So I'm talking In the last 20 years, the NFL draft has.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah. I still think even though WWE is a great answer as far as production value and where it's come and Netflix and everything else, I still think the draft is the craziest evolution we've seen.

[Rich Davis]

All right, let's. Scott, wrap it up in Connecticut. What's up, Scotty?

[Steve Covino]

Hey, sticking with football?

[Danny G.]

How about fantasy football, dude?

[Rich Davis]

I. You know, Matt Berry is an old school pal of ours when we worked at espn.

[Steve Covino]

Oh, Marvin's cousin.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, Marvin's cousin. Your cousin Matt. But I remember him telling us the early days of fantasy football, the calculations and the paperwork and the calculators that had to be broken out for the early days of fantasy football.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah.

[Danny G.]

And they used to have to wait until the stats came out in the newspaper.

[Rich Davis]

The official stats. Yeah. And now you're getting up to the second stats. And by the way, that might be top five answers to game.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah. It changed the way you watch sports.

[Rich Davis]

I'll give you two more. You opened up a can of worms, Scott, Because I thought of two more.

[Steve Covino]

That is a great answer, by the.

[Rich Davis]

Way, because when you say fantasy football and how it went from paperwork to that, there's.

[Steve Covino]

I know where he's going to.

[Rich Davis]

Where am I going?

[Steve Covino]

Gambling.

[Rich Davis]

Yes.

[Steve Covino]

Is this now sexy? And you got sexy women talking about it on tv.

[Rich Davis]

Gambling went from taboo. And your dad had those little sheets at work. Taboo. And the local bookie might have been like, hey, you got your $5 sheets. I remember there was a guy in Brooklyn I used to know. He'd give out those little sheets. Whereas you could do the parlay for five bucks. There was like bookies in every town, and that was how you made a bet.

[Steve Covino]

Now you had to go through Gaza.

[Rich Davis]

And on TV it was frowned upon. Like when Al Michaels would make a joking reference. Like people might have been mad at that last second field goal. It was almost an inside joke between gamblers and the broadcaster.

[Steve Covino]

And you got beautiful women talking about it on tv.

[Danny G.]

And remember Musburger used to slide in little betting lines.

[Rich Davis]

Musburger was great with that. Where he'd make the little almost innuendos And Kavino said, now there's beautiful women on every network doing gambling.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, it's like a sexy sort of thing.

[Rich Davis]

DraftKings, FanDuel and this and that and. And you bet MGM and every again.

[Steve Covino]

Major part of the game, bro.

[Rich Davis]

Networks weren't even allowed to talk about it. Now I'm watching the Mets game yesterday and like, mid game, they're like, you could in game bet the number of strikeouts. Like, in game, you could in game bet strikeout counts.

[Danny G.]

Yeah. Our buddy Scott Farrell, that's all he does now.

[Rich Davis]

I love that guy. But you said of gambling. I'll give you one more Weed. Marijuana. Marijuana was like, you know, it was something taboo. You would sneak weed into your college dorm if your parents smoked weed. It was secretive because it was like. It was the most oddly kept secret that was chlorified. And now you walk down.

[Danny G.]

Now, we were all smoking at the White Table pre show.

[Steve Covino]

Mm. Yeah. Now it's just accepted. And it's sophistication. Danny, you're not.

[Danny G.]

Except Spotty. He takes edibles.

[Rich Davis]

You're not. You're not far off, by the way. For people that don't know us, we don't do that. But Rich is right.

[Steve Covino]

The weed shops out here in LA are like. Like scientific labs.

[Rich Davis]

No, it's. It went from buying dirt weed from a shady guy in college that you were like, did he actually give me. Covino has a funny story where the guy actually gave you a bag of oregano Grass.

[Steve Covino]

No, dirt. Dirt or something. Yeah, in college, because there was a shady.

[Danny G.]

I was gonna say. And on the east coast, you guys just had that. They called it chocolate.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah. No, no, this is actually dirt. Not dirt. We just dirt. But it's such a quick and shady transaction. You're like. You drive away and you're like, oh, it's just dirt. I guess he gave you a band, allegedly, a hundred years ago, so.

[Danny G.]

But you're right. In Southern California now, these spots are like showroom floors for, like a car dealership.

[Steve Covino]

It looks like you're at some sort of ice apple ice store.

[Rich Davis]

Like, what is this? Honestly? There's a place in the Valley. There's a place in the Valley where I went to go get some th cocktails, which they have for. I was having a party, stopped by. And it's also the clientele you assume. It's like burnouts and potheads. I saw one of our I heart executives there with his wife. He's like, hey, what's up? It's. It's. It went from taboo. I'LL tell you off the air. It went, it went from taboo to like, oh, yeah, would you want, you want an edible or you want a drink? So I think weed, fantasy football, ufc, the NFL draft, wrestling there is, you can make a whole list of things that have evolved crazily, if that's even a word in our lifetime.

[Steve Covino]

All right, the end. Your answers and your feedback. Thanks again. Fox Sports Radio Nation, Dan Patrick show at Covino and Rich. Hit us up at Covino and Rich at FOX Sports Radio.

[Rich Davis]

You know what I noticed? If you ever go to any legal weed shop around the country, you know who a lot of the clientele is? A lot of the clientele is our parents generation who were hippies back in the day and they're fascinated as senior citizens that they could walk into a shop. They went their whole life, going to Woodstock, going to the clubs, you know, sneaking it around. You go into a legal weed shop in the United States, clientele is our parents generation a big part of it.

[Steve Covino]

It's come a long way, no doubt.

[Rich Davis]

All right, Wilson. Coming up, we are going to talk about the NFL draft because we are two days away from some teams changing their stars forever. Two sleeps and two sleeps. And you know what? I want you to start thinking about this Kavino. What was your biggest swing and miss as a fan? What was your biggest whiff? What was your biggest like, this guy's like, you're pumped up and you're like, I was so wrong.

[Steve Covino]

I'm not as wrong as you. So I can only think of yours. But I'll think about it. Perfect. And your feedback again at 87799 on Fox @COVINO and Rich. We got more CNR on F in for Dan Patrick next.

[Danny G.]

Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.

[Rich Davis]

Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis.

[Steve Covino]

And together we're Covino and Rich on FOX Sports Radio.

[Rich Davis]

You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio at.

[Steve Covino]

Why should you listen to Covino and Rich?

[Rich Davis]

We talk about everything, life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world.

[Steve Covino]

We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture, stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss and.

[Rich Davis]

The fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together. I mean, that says something, right?

[Steve Covino]

So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say.

[Rich Davis]

I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth.

[Steve Covino]

Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific.

[Rich Davis]

And if you miss any of the live show, just search Kobe no. 1 rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course on social media, that's Covino and Rich.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Peace to the planet. I go by the name of Charlamagne Tha God. And guess what? I can't wait to see y'all at the third annual Black Effect Podcast Festival. That's right, we're coming Back to Atlanta, Georgia, Saturday, April 26th at Pullman Yards. And it's hosted by none other than Decisions, Decisions, Mandy B and Weezy. Okay, we got the R and B Money podcast with Tank and J. Valentine. We got the Woman Evolved podcast with Sarah Jake Roberts, the Funky Friday podcast with Cam Newton, the Naked Sports podcast with Carrie Champion, Good Mom's Bad Choices podcast, the Trap Nerd podcast and many more will be on that stage live. And of course is bigger than podcast. We're bringing the Black Effect Marketplace with black owned businesses, plus the Food Truck court to keep you fed while you visit us. All right, listen, you don't want to miss this. Tap in and grab your tickets [e-mail] podcast festival. There's a lot in life that feels like it should be guaranteed that just isn't. Fortunately, AT&T guarantees connectivity you can depend on or they'll make it right. AT&T connecting changes everything. Terms and conditions apply. Visit at and guarantee to learn more.

[Rich Davis]

The 40s and free agents Podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL Draft.

[Steve Covino]

We've told you what last year's playoff.

[Danny G.]

Teams need to return to the postseason.

[Rich Davis]

And how teams with new coaches should approach the draft.

[Danny G.]

So as draft season comes to a.

[Rich Davis]

Close, we've got you covered. Before your favorite team goes on the.

[Steve Covino]

Clock, we'll break it all down once.

[Danny G.]

All 257 picks have been made.

[Rich Davis]

Listen to the 40s and free agents podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Danny G.]

In 1978, Roger Caron's first book was published and he was unlike any first time author Canada had ever seen. Roger Caron was 16 when first convicted has spent 24 of those years in.

[Steve Covino]

Jail, 12 years in solitary.

[Danny G.]

He went from an ex con to.

[Rich Davis]

A literary darling almost overnight.

[Danny G.]

He was instantly a celebrity, he was an adrenaline junkie, and he was the star of the show. Goboy is the gritty true story of how one man fought his way out of some of the darkest places imaginable.

[Rich Davis]

I had a knife go in my stomach, puncture my spleen, break my ribs.

[Steve Covino]

I had my guts all in my.

[Danny G.]

Hands, only to find himself back where he started. Roger's saying is, I've never hurt anybody but myself. And I said, oh, you're so wrong. You're so wrong on that one. Rob from Campside Media and iHeart Podcasts. Listen to GoBoy on the iHeartRadio app.

[Rich Davis]

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Danny G.]

We ready to fight? I'm ready to fight.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is that what I thought it was? Oh, this is Fighting Words.

[Danny G.]

Okay, I put the hammer back.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hi, I'm George M. Johnson, a best selling author with the second most banned book in America. Now more than ever, we need to use our voices to fight back. And that's what we are doing on Fighting Words. We're not gonna let anyone silence us.

[Steve Covino]

That's the reason why they're banning books like yours, George.

[Rich Davis]

That's the reason why they're trying to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Stop the teaching of black history, queer history, any history that challenges the whitewashed.

[Rich Davis]

Norm or put us in a box.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Black people have never, ever depended on the so called mainstream to support us. That's why we are great.

[Rich Davis]

We are the greatest culture makers in world history.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Listen to Fighting Words on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Rich Davis]

Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia.

[Steve Covino]

I'm excited to share my podcast with you. Math and stories from the frontiers of marketing. This week I'm talking to the CEO.

[Rich Davis]

Of Moderna, Stephane Bonsell, about how he led his team through unprecedented times to.

[Steve Covino]

Create, test and distribute a COVID vaccine.

[Rich Davis]

All in less than a year.

[Steve Covino]

It becomes a human decision to decide to throw by the window your business strategy and to do what you think is the right thing for the world. Join me as we uncover innovations in data and analytics, the math and the.

[Rich Davis]

Ever important creative spark, the magic.

[Steve Covino]

Listen to math and magic stories from the frontiers of Marketing on the iHeartRadio.

[Rich Davis]

App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Steve Covino]

Hey, Rich, you ever call 1-900-mix a lot just to kick your nasty thoughts or.

[Rich Davis]

No, I've done it. I'VE done it.

[Steve Covino]

You know, I got some nasty thoughts. Maybe I'll call later and kick it. Cavino and Rich.

[Rich Davis]

I mean, you are the guy that's tried to find Ass Mountain for spring break.

[Steve Covino]

That's right. On a serious Note, is it 1-800-mix a lot or 1 900, mix a lot? 900. 1 900.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah.

[Steve Covino]

Well, I got to kick some nasty thumbs.

[Rich Davis]

You ever have that one terrible friend as a child that when the moms and dads weren't home, they would use the home phone to call dirty phone numbers?

[Steve Covino]

Oh, there's an evolution for you. Used to have to call love lines. Now you could just queue up the hub.

[Rich Davis]

But honestly, like, there was always that one jerk. You're like, what are you doing to my phone? And your buddy would be using your home phone to call certain numbers. You're like, my parents are gonna kill me. What are you doing?

[Steve Covino]

Exactly. We are talking evolution. That is part of it. Our buddy Wes hit us up and said, what about your, your conventions? The Covino and Rich conventions, the crc. And this is just my way of promoting that. We have a party coming up. We have a huge party and everybody listening right now. This is your invite. June 20th, 21st and 22nd in Vegas. We're doing live broadcasts. We have people coming, friends, family, Romans, countrymen. Everybody's coming. So book your flight to Vegas. June 20th, 21st and 22nd.

[Rich Davis]

A three day party. And details are coming soon.

[Steve Covino]

And by the way, so follow us at Covino Niche, but our very first get together as a radio show, it was it like 40 dudes in a folding table, you know, a few people.

[Rich Davis]

Now it's a big event.

[Steve Covino]

Now it's a big event, so.

[Danny G.]

And there's women there now.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rich Davis]

Hot women parties, not just dudes.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah.

[Rich Davis]

By the way, a great place to kick your nasty thoughts.

[Steve Covino]

That's right.

[Rich Davis]

Las Vegas, June 20th to the 22nd. All right, now let's move on to the NFL draft, which, by the way.

[Steve Covino]

Is the ultimate evolution. That's why we got here in the first place. It's just a major, major event.

[Rich Davis]

Here's where you are honest. Here's where you are truthful. What NFL draft move. Or hey, I'll open it up to NBA. We don't need to just do the NFL draft or a trade. I'll be honest, you could throw even a trade or an acquisition by your team, but the draft is two days away. What was your biggest miss as a fan fight?

[Steve Covino]

It's Josh Rosen. I really bought into the fact that he was hyped about proving everybody wrong.

[Rich Davis]

Kavino's like, he's gonna show everyone.

[Steve Covino]

You know what? I'm joking. But I did believe in his conviction. Like he had some sort of chip on his shoulder and something to prove. Like, yeah, everyone who passed on me, I'll show you guys. I was like, yeah, go get him. Show him. Show them you're a tiger. Show him what you could do. Get him. Yeah, I was wrong about that.

[Rich Davis]

You were wrong about that.

[Steve Covino]

That fuel fires me. I was like, you know what? They passed on this dude. And he's out there public like that. Yeah. Maybe he will be something and prove everybody wrong.

[Rich Davis]

Now to know our show, you know that I, Rich Davis, big 49ers fan. There's video if you scroll back far enough on our social media, where when the 49ers drafted Trey Lance, I was the guy that jumped up. And I was like, yeah, that's the future, baby. Trey Lance.

[Steve Covino]

Rich jumped out of his seat onto a seat like Tom Cruise on Oprah. He was standing up.

[Rich Davis]

I was jumping on my couch. I was jumping on Oprah's couch, essentially.

[Steve Covino]

He was so pumped about it. Why do I have this visual? Was it on air?

[Rich Davis]

I did it on. I was streaming, like, Instagram Live or something. And then we posted it.

[Steve Covino]

I for sure remember the moment. I mean, I'm with Rich all the time, so.

[Rich Davis]

I remember, though, thinking, you guys are a couple.

[Steve Covino]

I know.

[Rich Davis]

Didn't want Mac Jones. I remember I was. I was in Texas at my wife's family's house, and I was watching Draft night with some friends.

[Danny G.]

Woo hoo.

[Steve Covino]

And jumped out of his socks. He was so pumped about Trey Lance.

[Rich Davis]

I remember.

[Steve Covino]

And by the way, he's not a complete and total. I mean, have you wrote him off completely?

[Rich Davis]

I mean, what have you seen that I haven't?

[Steve Covino]

I know. I know that I'm saying, but do you think, like, he really is, like, he'll never be.

[Rich Davis]

He's a backup quarterback for the Cowboys, last I checked, and hasn't really got much playing time and was a number three overall pick. That's a definition of a bus.

[Danny G.]

And you guys gave up the house to go up and get him.

[Rich Davis]

I remember thinking, oh, you know, I really don't want Mac Jones. And now the 49ers coincidentally have Mac Jones as their backup. But I remember thinking, come on, no Mac Jones. Trey Lance, come on. I was. I was sold on the athleticism. And I know there was not much tape of him. He only played a year, but I was convinced that the 49ers with Trey Lance had their guy. They had their Lamar Jackson. They had their Mahomes. I was like, he's going to do it.

[Danny G.]

The 49ers traded three first round draft picks. 20, 21, 22 and 23. And a third round pick, 22.

[Rich Davis]

And the only reason the Niners don't get more crap for that is that in that same draft, Mr. Irrelevant, the last throwaway pick that no one cared about just happened to be a guy that's about to get paid $50 million a year. Brock Purdy. So you could argue it was a push. If you got Brock Purdy with the last pick and you wasted your pick on Trey Lance, that's the only reason why no one is harder on the 49ers. They salvaged it with Brock Purdy somehow. But I was way wrong with Trey Lance. And I love the videos that float around this time of year, Danny, where you see a bunch of Buffalo Bills fans like Josh Allen, oh, he's going to stink. And you know, videos of Mel Kuiper and other people saying things like, oh, Mahomes, he won't translate to the NFL. This is a time where people infamously say dumb stuff. And I love it.

[Steve Covino]

So let's chop it up. That means let's get involved. That means start calling now. B dialing. I remember as a Syracuse fan because.

[Rich Davis]

That was where I went to college. East coast. What's up? I remember watching Donovan McNabb play and really loving DNAB when the Eagles drafted Donovan McNabb. And by the way, you could see our interview with Donovan. I know it was a couple months ago at the super bowl, but we did have some good old school Syracuse memories. That's on the fox Sports Radio YouTube page. But Donovan McNabb was drafted by the Eagles. The Eagles, the fan base, were crying in their ass soup.

[Steve Covino]

They were in their Campbell soup.

[Rich Davis]

In their Campbell soup. They were like really mad about Donovan McNabb. And I mean, he didn't win a Super bowl, but he was a Pro bowl, top level quarterback for them. But they did not want McNabb. I remember them booing the pick of DDAP. What were you the most wrong about?

[Steve Covino]

Denny? He's beloved. Yeah.

[Rich Davis]

Denny, you're a Raiders fan. Has there been a Raiders pick? Where were you? Like, jamarcus Russell, that's my guy. Like, what was your guy?

[Danny G.]

Yeah, you nailed it right there coming out of lsu. Yeah, I mean, we watched him play college ball at a high level. And then there was all the stories about he throws 80 yards on his knees, from his knees or whatever. And so dude had a cannon, but he just didn't have what it took, you know, between the ears, it turns out, and had some bad habits and was lazy. And there's all those crazy stories out there now about, you know, what happened with him in his time in Oakland. But I was a season ticket holder at the time. I had to suffer through the bad play. And he would, he would literally throw an interception, put his head down like Napoleon Dynamite and run off the field. And it was just interception after interception. It was hard to watch. But, yeah, when he was drafted, I'm not the only one that thought, oh, man, this dude's going to light up the NFL because he did have a strong arm.

[Steve Covino]

Not everybody's game translates to the pros.

[Rich Davis]

I think he might be the best example, though, Kavino, of someone with just such talent that most, I don't think most people would have ever thought that jamarcos Russell would have been that much of a bust. Like, maybe it wouldn't have worked out perfectly, but I mean, that might have been the best example of like, wow, shocking how it didn't even work out a little bit.

[Steve Covino]

87799 on Fox. We just talked about the evolution of the NFL draft and what a spectrum, what an event it is. So now we're talking about the biggest busts. Can I throw Sally Scuds into the conversation?

[Rich Davis]

Danny, I have another one from your childhood. Being that you're a Raiders fan, were you a believer in Todd Marinovich?

[Danny G.]

It's one of my childhood memories, actually, going to the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum to watch the Los Angeles Raiders. And, you know, it was, it was guys like, oh, man, back then, Vince Evans was at quarterback and he could run the ball. He was an older qb, he was fun to watch. But the Raiders stunk at the time. That was right before they moved back to Oakland. And yeah, I'll never forget this guy, Todd Marinovich. His first game, I was there as a little kid and this guy was holding up this big sign that said, todd, you're the future. And he was screaming it. Todd, you see me, Todd.

[Steve Covino]

That's the beauty of this day is the hope and the belief and that clean slate of there's promise. And, you know, unfortunately, it doesn't always work out. And that's what we're getting at. So let's go to the phones. 87799 on Fox. You want to talk to Rich?

[Rich Davis]

Well, it doesn't. This doesn't necessarily need to Be like I said, NFL draft. It could be a player that your team got. It could be a guy that came up your minor league system.

[Steve Covino]

I think Brian Taylor, like he was a first round draft pick for the Yankees that everyone.

[Rich Davis]

He got a bar fight, right.

[Steve Covino]

Had such high hopes on injury. Yeah. Took him off. And he never was. He was like the highest touted pitcher, I think ever. They say the greatest high school pitcher of all time.

[Rich Davis]

Before, before every team had a guy that threw 100. Brian Taylor was a baseball card. I remember getting like. I was like, you got to get to stadium club Brian Taylor. Because Brian Taylor was the Yankee prospect that was like, he throws over 100. Yeah. And he's going to be the future.

[Steve Covino]

The high school legend. Like people said, the greatest they'd ever seen. He was a number one draft pick for the Yankees. And timestamp, I just looked him up. He's 53 now, so that's still the name that comes to mind. And he's 53.

[Rich Davis]

Let me, let me throw two more at you. One's a baseball player that came up my team system that I thought was going to be a 20 year staple and another NFL prospect gone wrong. I remember I was a young boy and I'm a big Montana guy. Like Joe Montana was my hero.

[Steve Covino]

Oh, I thought you'd be Hannah Montana guy.

[Rich Davis]

I do like Miley. I remember there was a quarterback that also came out of Notre Dame and everyone was like, he's just like Montana. You'll see.

[Steve Covino]

Oh, is it Vince Vaughn from Rudy?

[Rich Davis]

No, it was actually Rudy. No, there was a guy that came out of Notre Dame, Seattle Seahawks. And I remember thinking, yo, this guy's going to be legit. But Rick Meyer, I thought he was going to be the next like cool young quarterback in football. That did not work out. And as far as baseball goes, as a Mets fan, he had a couple moments. So I can't say he did nothing. But I'm shocked how Noah Syndergaard was like grand opening, grand closing. Now you would think I would say.

[Steve Covino]

Matt Harvey, but history takes people out.

[Rich Davis]

But Syndergaard, to me, he never, if you look at his stats, he never even had like a 15 to 20 year win season. Like Syndicaard had a couple moments where because the Mets had a playoff run, tall, handsome, blonde guy, they called him Thor. I remember thinking Syndergaard was going to be the ace of the Mets rotation for like the next decade plus. And Kavino lasted like a couple years and then he bounced around three or four teams and now it. He's not. He's out.

[Steve Covino]

Sad. All the promise in the world. So we want your phone calls next as we get excited and hyped up for the draft. Two more sleeps, the ones that you had so much promise and hope in that just let you down and never turned out to what you thought. Plus, we got Shaq Diesel trivia next hour. Giving away prizes here on the show. The number 87799 on Fox. We got more Covino and Rich in for Dan Patrick.

[Rich Davis]

All right, now be sure to tune in to Fox Sports Radio's Draft Night Live, which is Thursday, as you said, two days from now, 8pm Eastern through the first round of the draft. Insider Jay Glazer, former Jets GM Joe Douglas, college Hall of Famer, our very own Levar Arrington and Fox Sports lead college football reporter Jenny Taft are going to have all 32 picks, predictions and reactions. That's Thursday, 8pm Eastern, first round of the draft live here on Fox Sports Radio. And there'll be a live simulcast on the fox Sports Radio YouTube page pitch.

[Danny G.]

Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio.

[Rich Davis]

And the iHeartRadio app Peace of the Planet.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I go by the name of Charlamagne Tha God. And guess what? I can't wait to see y'all at the third annual Black Effect Podcast Festival. That's right, we're coming Back to Atlanta, Georgia, Saturday, April 26th at Pullman Yards. And it's hosted by none other than Decisions, Decisions, Mandy B. And Weezy. Okay, we got the R and B Money podcast with Tank and Jay Valentine, we got the Woman Evolved podcast with Sarah, Jake Roberts, the Funky Friday podcast with Cam Newton, the Naked Sports podcast with Carrie Champion, Good Moms, Bad Choices podcast, the Trap Nerd podcast, and many more will be on that stage live. And of course, it's bigger than podcast. We're bringing the Black Effect Marketplace with black owned businesses, plus the food truck court to keep you fed while you visit us. All right, listen, you don't want to miss this. Tap in and grab your tickets [e-mail] podcast festival. There's a lot in life that feels like it should be guaranteed that just isn't. Fortunately, AT&T guarantees connectivity you can depend on or they'll make it right. AT&T connecting changes everything. Terms and conditions apply. Visit att.com guaranty to learn more.

[Rich Davis]

The 40s and free agents podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL Draft.

[Steve Covino]

We've told you what last year's playoff.

[Danny G.]

Teams need to return to the postseason.

[Rich Davis]

And how teams with new coaches should approach the draft. So as draft season comes to a close, we've got you covered. Before your favorite team goes on the.

[Steve Covino]

Clock, we'll break it all down.

[Danny G.]

Once all 257 picks have been made.

[Rich Davis]

Listen to the 40s and free agents podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Danny G.]

We ready to fight? I'm ready to fight.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is that what I thought it was? Oh, this is Fighting Words.

[Danny G.]

Okay, I'll put the hammer back.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hi, I'm George M. Johnson, a best selling author with the second most banned book in America. Now more than ever, we need to use our voices to fight back. And that's what we are doing on Fighting Words. We're not going to let anyone silence us.

[Steve Covino]

That's the reason why they're banning books like yours.

[Rich Davis]

That's the reason why they're trying to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Stop the teaching of black history or queer history, any history that challenges the whitewash norm or put us in a box. Black people never ever depended on the so called mainstream to support us. That's why we are great.

[Rich Davis]

We are the greatest culture makers in world history.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Listen to Fighting Words on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Danny G.]

In 1978, Roger Caron's first book was published and he was unlike any first.

[Rich Davis]

Time author Canada had ever seen.

[Danny G.]

Roger Caron was 16 when first convicted, has spent 24 of those years in.

[Steve Covino]

Jail, 12 years in solitary.

[Danny G.]

He went from an ex con to.

[Rich Davis]

A literary darling almost overnight.

[Danny G.]

He was instantly a celebrity. He was an adrenaline junkie and he was the star of the show. Goboy is the gritty true story of how one man fought his way out of some of the darkest places imaginable.

[Rich Davis]

I had a knife go in my stomach, puncture my spleen, break my ribs. I had guts all in my hands.

[Danny G.]

Only to find himself back where he started. Roger's saying is I've never hurt anybody but my myself. And I said, oh, you're so wrong. You're so wrong on that one. Rob from Campside Media and iHeart Podcasts. Listen to GoBoy on the iHeartRadio app.

[Rich Davis]

Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia.

[Steve Covino]

I'm excited to share my podcast with you. Math and Magic stories from the frontiers of martial. This week I'm talking to the CEO.

[Rich Davis]

Of Moderna Stephane Bonsell about how he led his team through unprecedented times to.

[Steve Covino]

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App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, hanging out for the great Dan Patrick as the DP show and the Danettes make their way to Green Bay for the NFL draft. You got your buds Kavino and Rich.

[Steve Covino]

I hope they brought their freezy freakies because it's cold out there, right?

[Rich Davis]

How you supposed to cover a draft when it's so cold for real?

[Steve Covino]

Isn't that why a lot of people are not going? A lot of these draft picks are like, no, I'm going to stay home, my parents in the living room.

[Danny G.]

I mean, it's not that cold there. It's a high of 54 today.

[Rich Davis]

Springtime.

[Danny G.]

Let me look ahead at the draft. It's going to be a high of 57 on Thursday.

[Rich Davis]

Are they crashing in Coach Gottlieb's house or what are they doing up there in Green Bay? Your thoughts on the biggest draft letdowns, your swings and misses, the players you thought were going to change your team stars.

[Steve Covino]

Well, Rich, as one of the most interactive shows on radio, Cavino and Rich. And for Dan Patrick, I just wanted to see what ChatGPT had to say about it. Or as Charles Barkley calls it, Chuck GPT.

[Rich Davis]

What does chat GPT tell you?

[Steve Covino]

I said, what are some AI boy NFL draft busts? Just to see what AI says. What Chat GPT says, I would say.

[Rich Davis]

You know, unfortunately, one of our pals who's always been cool with us, Ryan Leaf, is probably on the list.

[Steve Covino]

He's on the list at number two.

[Rich Davis]

Jamar Chris Russell. Number one.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah. Yep. Out of lsu, Trent Richardson.

[Rich Davis]

Oh, that's a good one, too.

[Danny G.]

But Rich, is Trey Lance taking that spot because more number one picks were involved than just the one for jamarcus.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, you know, Trey Lance, Matt Leinert, who, by the way, is really lovable. Really. On social media. On social media with his wife, I think Matt Leiner found.

[Steve Covino]

Same with Ryan Leaf. You know, he's always been great with us. And again, this isn't about like, this isn't necessarily busts. More of it was so yeah. You were so hyped about that.

[Danny G.]

Yeah.

[Steve Covino]

And you really believe like this guy was going to be the answer to change the franchise and just never worked out the way you thought.

[Rich Davis]

The infamous Sports Illustrated cover from my Mets, Remember, it was all those pitchers that never worked out, like Pulsifer and Paul Wilson and. And you know, there's been teams that have been like, this is the starting rotation moving forward and they all stink.

[Danny G.]

We talked about him a little bit on yesterday afternoon's Covino and rich in our 5 to 7pm Eastern time slot. Ricky Williams. Remember how the Saints gave up almost everything that draft to go up, Correct.

[Rich Davis]

Me if I'm wrong, wasn't dick. It was sold on him.

[Danny G.]

Right.

[Rich Davis]

Sold on Ricky Williams.

[Danny G.]

And of course he. Williams had a little bit of a productive career after the Saints, but. But yeah, that was a huge letdown for that organization.

[Steve Covino]

I thought Johnny Manziel would be on that list, but is it because of his size that no one really thought it would translate?

[Rich Davis]

Well, there were people that thought he'd make an immediate impact just because of his vibe and his personality and Johnny Football.

[Steve Covino]

I thought he would be what Mayfield is, you know, I thought he would be that type of player in the NFL.

[Rich Davis]

You know, speaking of how running backs have, you know, had a little bit of a comeback the last year or so. Saquon showing the worth of a great running back. Derek Henry. Is Genti going to benefit from that, you think? There's a team that's thinking, oh, you know what? We might have. We might have the guy.

[Danny G.]

You know what's crazy? And it's a wild card going into Thursday. There's rumors now that the Jags might consider taking Genti at 5, right in front of the Raiders. And then there's even been some grumbling or mumbles about or rumors about. Yeah, there you go. Like Bill Belichick style about the Patriots even considering at 4. So everybody says the days of the running back being drafted in the first round is over, but now we have a running back who could go top five.

[Steve Covino]

You know what's sad about this too, though? You already mentioned all the promise and all the hope that the draft brings, right? Maybe it's just our expectations that were wrong. It's really not them. I get it. Some people's game doesn't translate, but maybe our expectations were wrong from the get go. Maybe that player gave you everything he had. That's all he really ever had. But it was you that was wrong, not them.

[Rich Davis]

Let's go to John and Reno Kavino Rich and for Dan Patrick John, who comes to mind for you.

[Steve Covino]

I call him Glass Joe, but his name is Sam Bradford for the Rams and he's the reason why they don't do any more big contracts.

[Rich Davis]

You know, Sam Bradford.

[Steve Covino]

Well, if he's gonna bring up Glass Joe, I want to bring up Don Flamenco. I always thought he would be a lot.

[Rich Davis]

What about King Hippo I thought would be a bigger star.

[Steve Covino]

I believed in him.

[Rich Davis]

You know, we're talking about all these, all these quarterback busts. Did you? I saw on social media someone said never forget 15 years ago was when Mel Kuiper said he would retire if Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Claussen wasn't a future hall of Famer. So listen, we all miss, right? Right. Mo and Tempe. What's up, Mo?

[Steve Covino]

Hey guys. Great job showing in for Dan today.

[Rich Davis]

Thanks, man.

[Steve Covino]

As a lifelong 50 year old Laker fan, I got a long list of.

[Rich Davis]

Guys, but I'm just going to go.

[Danny G.]

With Lonzo Ball and Andrew Bynum.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, I feel bad for Lonzo Ball though because he was good. Injury took him out. Lamello's doing great. And by the way, I'm just thinking is sure Sanders comes in with all this hype, you think he'll be that guy? I mean, no one's rooting against him.

[Danny G.]

Oh, I think he's too good of an athlete to completely fall off his face. I think he'll figure it out.

[Rich Davis]

We shall see. Fresno and Jason, you're on with Kavin on Rich.

[Steve Covino]

Hey, what's going on, guys?

[Danny G.]

Hey, I use the term guys liberally.

[Steve Covino]

With you guys because you guys are awesome.

[Rich Davis]

But thanks, man.

[Steve Covino]

What about David Klingler or Dan McGuire?

[Rich Davis]

These are great answers. And again, you feel bad because they had high hopes, they wanted to succeed. It's just sometimes like you said earlier, Camino, Josh Rosen even was like, you're gonna see, I'm gonna show you. And you show no.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, it didn't happen. So your answer's Ovino and Rich. Ox Sports Radio. We got some Shaq Diesel trivia next hour right here on CNR.

[Rich Davis]

The 40s and free agents podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL Draft.

[Steve Covino]

We've told you what last year's playoff.

[Danny G.]

Teams need to return to the postseason.

[Rich Davis]

And how teams with new coaches should approach the draft. So as draft season comes to a close, we've got you covered. Before your favorite team goes on the.

[Steve Covino]

Clock, we'll break it all down once.

[Danny G.]

All, all 257 picks have been made.

[Rich Davis]

Listen to the 40s and free agents podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Rich Davis]

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[Danny G.]

Listen to Divine intervention on the iHeartRadio.

[Rich Davis]

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