Hour 2 – NFL Draft QB Questions, Clark Kellogg

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show — Hour 2, March 24, 2026

Episode Overview

In Hour 2 of The Dan Patrick Show, Dan and the crew dig into a lively discussion about the NFL Draft’s quarterback prospects, evaluating recent takes by Dan Orlovsky, and question media and agent influences on draft narratives. Legendary CBS basketball analyst Clark Kellogg joins to break down March Madness, addressing the absence of Cinderella stories, the “mid-major” future in college hoops, and tournament expansion. The show also features humorous and nostalgic segments with callers, and reflections on sports media trends.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Poll Question: Career You’d Want — Otani, Wembanyama, or Other

[03:48–05:45]

• Paulie reports: Otani dominates poll (73%), Wembanyama at 15%, Others (including iconic athletes) at 12%.
• Dan: Appreciates Otani’s global presence but notes that winning is what truly cements a legacy.
• Crew Discussion:
  • Paulie and Tony debate the wording (“today’s athlete” might be more fitting).
  • Tony wonders if any current, globally dominant, young athlete compares in scope; soccer’s superstars are aging, tennis’ Carlos Alcaraz is mentioned as a young contender.

Notable Quote

“I think once you win something... we waited for Giannis to win, we waited for Embiid, he won an MVP... Otani is here, he’s now.”
— Dan Patrick [04:08]

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2. NFL Draft QB Debate: Ty Simpson vs. Fernando Mendoza

[07:02–14:58]

• Dan recaps Dan Orlovsky’s strong endorsement of Ty Simpson as QB1 in this draft class, quoting Orlovsky extensively from ESPN’s “Get Up.”
• Orlovsky’s Take [07:21]:

  “I think Ty Simpson is QB1... what was asked of these two quarterbacks... Ty Simpson, and it’s not close... Who was more consistent in panic? Ty Simpson.”
  — Dan Orlovsky [07:21]

• Dan’s Analysis:
  • Asks if Orlovsky’s faith in Simpson is purely analytical or influenced by agency connections, since both Orlovsky and Simpson are represented by CAA (a common agent for players/media).
  • Points to the importance of collegiate “sample size” — skeptical of QBs with limited experience (Simpson: ~16 starts). Favors prospects like Bo Nix or Jaden Daniels, who played 4–5 years.
  • Cites Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes as examples of QBs succeeding due to situation/fit, not just talent.
  • Discusses how media/agent alliances can shape draft narratives, especially in the pre-draft “rumor mill” [14:32–15:34].

Notable Quotes

“Just because you’re the number one pick... that doesn’t equate to success.”
— Dan Patrick [08:11]

“If I said right now he’ll have the career of Joe Flacco — you’re gonna sign up for that.”
— Dan Patrick [12:45]

• Paulie and Tony highlight that previous Orlovsky “hot takes” (such as on Jaden Daniels in 2024) can be right at the time, but perceptions shift quickly.

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3. March Madness Deep Dive with Clark Kellogg (CBS)

[24:25–36:18]

Clark’s Thoughts on:

- The Lack of a “Cinderella” in This Year’s Tournament [26:06–28:31]

• Tournament always produces unpredictability and emotion.
• Enjoys the current blend: “Cinderella showed up briefly and we still have one, I think in Iowa who shockingly dominated Florida.”

- The Future of Mid-Majors vs. Power Conferences [28:31–32:03]

• Recency bias makes us overreact to a power-conference-heavy tournament.
• Power teams are increasingly dominant, but mid-majors always have a chance with “the right mix and formula.”
• NIL changes may further reduce mid-major Final Four appearances, but “Cinderella moments” can still happen.

- Transfers, NIL, and Roster Dynamics [29:53–32:03]

• Dan suggests: With the ability to make NIL money, big-name players may stay longer and transfer from mid-majors to power schools, making it harder for smaller programs.
• Clark agrees but reminds that many top freshmen will continue to find their way into successful mid-major programs.

- Duke and Tournament Favorites [32:03–32:58]

• “Feels like people are cooling on Duke’s chances... I could see that. Where people would cool on their chances to win it all.”
  — Clark Kellogg [32:58]

- March Madness Expansion [33:41–35:41]

• Dan predicts more play-in “First Four” games (double Tuesday/Wednesday) but main bracket remains at 64.
• Clark agrees, notes NCAA aims for 20% of D1 teams in tournament, expansion should be rational.

- Charles Barkley Moments [35:41–36:15]

• “He’s one of the most gracious celebrities you’ll meet... and he is a genuinely funny guy, which adds to his persona.”
  — Clark Kellogg [35:47]

Notable Quotes

“This tournament always, always, always delivers. Now, depending on your personal preference... it might deliver more or less in a given year than you think.”
— Clark Kellogg [26:39]

“I would rather let the data accumulate before making a statement on it.”
— Clark Kellogg [29:53]

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4. Call-In Highlights & Show Banter

[16:13–24:25] [36:22–41:42]

• Emotional call from “Dave in Montana” reflecting on the comfort the show has provided his family across years and the passing of his father.

  • Humorous moment when his kids criticize a rival sports radio show:

    “They look at the radio... All you hear from the back is, ‘This guy sucks.’”
    — Caller Dave [18:01]

• “Mark in Nebraska” shares what it’s like for Nebraska fans to be relevant in basketball for the first time in years; rivalry with Iowa.

• Dan and crew joke about Todd’s “Todcast,” self-focused podcast.

• Brief show banter about integrating Dan Patrick Show traditions into Dan’s daughter’s upcoming wedding, with jokes about “stat of the day” and live calls from guests.

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5. Broadcasting, Sports Media, and Technology

[45:39–50:38]

• Discussion about MLB Opening Day, the tradition moving away from starting in Cincinnati, and baseball’s broadcast innovations.
• Automated balls and strikes are imminent, with the possibility of new on-screen visuals:

  “If it means we’re getting more calls correct, then great. It’s inevitable... can I get green light strike, red light ball?”
  — Dan Patrick [47:55]

• Crew debates whether removing the strike zone box will make broadcasts cleaner, and whether the aesthetic evolution of televised sports is a positive.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On quarterbacks and team fit:

  “Patrick Mahomes going to Kansas City, if he’d gone to Carolina or Cleveland or the Bears, he’s not Patrick Mahomes.”
  — Dan Patrick [09:40]

• On the evolving nature of sports broadcasts:

  “It’s all about the aesthetics of watching a game... it’s more than just watching a sporting event, it’s an event within an event.”
  — Dan Patrick [48:13]

• On keeping live callers:

  “I love that relationship. You get an opportunity to be part of the show and I welcome that.”
  — Dan Patrick [51:48]

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Important Timestamps

• Poll Results & Career Discussion: 03:48–05:45
• Orlovsky/Quarterback Segment: 07:02–14:58
• Caller ‘Dave in Montana’ Story: 16:30–18:41
• Clark Kellogg Interview:
  • Intro/Memorabilia: 24:25–26:06
  • Tournament Analysis: 26:06–36:18
• Caller ‘Mark in Nebraska’: 36:22–38:23
• Baseball Broadcast/Tech Segment: 45:39–50:38
• Live Callers Philosophy: 51:48

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Summary Table

| Segment | Main Topic | Highlight | |---------------------|-----------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------| | 03:48–05:45 | Athlete career poll | Otani’s dominance, “today’s athlete” debate | | 07:02–14:58 | NFL QB Draft Analysis | Orlovsky on Ty Simpson, draft narratives/media/agents | | 16:30–18:41 | Emotional Caller Story | Show’s impact on listeners, family, taste in hosts | | 24:25–36:18 | Clark Kellogg Interview | March Madness, Cinderella, mid-major future, expansion | | 36:22–38:23 | Nebraska Fan Caller | Newfound basketball relevance, rivalry with Iowa | | 45:39–50:38 | MLB Opening Day, Media Tech | Broadcast aesthetics, automated strike zone | | 51:48 | Callers in Sports Radio | Importance of listener engagement |

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Takeaways for Listeners

• NFL Draft coverage is as much about narrative and networking as scouting.
  Take “insider” draft takes with healthy skepticism.
• March Madness always delivers drama — even as the shape of Cinderella stories and mid-major success evolves.
• Media technology and presentation are rapidly adapting, aiming for both accuracy and entertainment in sports broadcasts.
• Dan and the crew blend serious sports analysis with warmth, nostalgia, and self-deprecating humor, making the show feel like a community.

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This hour covers wide-ranging sports topics in Dan Patrick’s light, insightful, and approachable tone — part draft war-room, part March Madness, part sports radio old school, all entertaining.

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Hour 2 On this Tuesday, Clark Kellogg from CBS will join us. We'll talk some March Madness. Reggie Miller. He'll join us in the final hour of the program. Can Wemby steal the MVP? 8773 DP show email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle the DP Show Good morning. If you are allowing us into your homes watching on Peacock or NBC Sports Network, we say good morning to our radio affiliates around the country. 400 cities carry this award nominated program. Opening day Major League Baseball quietly tomorrow it'll be the Giants against the Yankees on Netflix. All right, poll questions. Seaton 8773 DP show operator Tyler sitting by. Results from the first hour. And what are we going to go with hour two?

[Paulie]

Whose career would you want? Past, present, future, Ohtani, Wembanyama or other? Otani has 73% of that vote followed by 15 from Wembanyama and 12% from another. That's interesting to me. Why are people not appreciate? Is it too early for Victor or.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, probably so. I think once you win something, you know where we waited for Giannis to win, we waited for Embiid, he won an mvp. We waited for Joker. But Ohtani is here, he's now. And you know, we waited to see could he do it. And he was able to do it. High end pitching and hitting. Yes.

[Paulie]

I think I'm seeing the problem with this poll question. Actually it's a little bit in the wording because now that I'm going down through the comments where all the others are.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, it's like, ever heard of Bill Russell?

[Paulie]

Ever heard of Michael Jordan, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes? It's like, okay, that's not the group that we're talking about.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Paulie]

Should have been phrased, I should have

[Dan Patrick]

changed the phrase today's athlete. Yeah, okay. Something like that. Yeah.

[Tony Fusco]

Paulie, I was wondering when I wrote this, is there an other, is there another global athlete that's young or in his prime that's global. Which would remove the NFL? I don't know, Like, I don't know if soccer, Messi and Ronaldo are at the back half. I don't know if soccer has the global athlete. The one singular global athlete.

[Paulie]

Like the dude right now is Lamina Mall. He's probably like, he's, I think he's like 18, 19, something like that. He's a big deal. He's a really big deal.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Ohtani is global. That helps. But then when Banyama is from France, global sport with the NBA as well. Yes, Todd, Depending on where you rank

[Will]

tennis in the lexicon of sports, Carlos Alcaraz has got a pretty good resume for 22 years old.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. But when you look at the numbers that he has to get, when you know Novak Djokovic, I mean, those numbers are crazy to even think, you know, somebody's going to eclipse those numbers. I remember when Pete Sampras won it, Wimbledon, and I think, what Was that? His 14th or 15th or 16th. And I'm like, is anybody going to come close to that? So he's got 14 Grand Slam titles. And then all of a sudden you had Federer, you had an Adal, and then you had Novak Djokovic in the same era, competing against each other wild. And for him to be. To stand alone, having to compete with those guys, whether it was on clay or it was at US Open or Wembon, an Australian Open. And to have that many Grand Slam, you know, when you, when you forget how many Grand Slams, how many titles somebody has, that's when you know you've had a pretty special career. You're like, I don't. How many. I don't know how many he's. He got. How many does djokovic have? Sam? 23, 24. 24. It's easy to lose track of that

[Tony Fusco]

since we started the show.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, he won another one. All right, we'll get another poll question here for hour two. The last hour, we. At the end of it, we talked about Dan Orlovsky, the mothership. He really likes himself some Ty Simpson. And he had this to say on get up.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I think ty Simpson is QB1. I think Ty Simpson is the best quarterback in this class. I think when you look at the body of work and what was asked of these two quarterbacks, you have to start with the question who needed to do more to carry their football team to play well. Ty Simpson. And it's not close between those two quarterbacks. And if we're asking like, okay, we're trying to see what you are as a player in college and what you're going to be asked to do in the NFL. And what translates. I start with, what do you do in moments of panic with the football? Because that's really what separates good to great. I would tell you that Ty Simpson is more consistent in that regard. What guy was asked to do more NFL throws 15, 20, 25 yard in routes, deep corner or sail routes. Ty Simpson and it's not even close in that regard.

[Dan Patrick]

I, I believe that he truly believes. Now conspiracy theorists and you know they're represented by the same firm, CIA. CIA represents a whole lot of people in the sports world. I don't know if Warlovsky is doing somebody a solid here. ESPN does have the draft and all of a sudden you're now pushing this out. Now I don't know if anybody's going to react. I don't know if a team goes wait, wait a minute man. We didn't have a first round grade Norlovsky. Now that would be where if I'm a gm, I would have enough respect for Orlovsky that I would reach out to him and I would say, hey, tell me what you're seeing. Tell me what I might be missing here. Because Orlovsky did play the position, he's very educated in analyzing those who are playing the position. And just because he says he's better than Fernando Mendoza doesn't mean he's going to be a great quarterback. Like keep that in mind. The situation you're going to go into and I don't know how good Fernando Mendoza is going to be. Do I think he's a great face for your franchise. If you're the Raiders, you have stability there. Yes, but he's not Andrew Locke, he's not Peyton Manning. So I think just because you're the number one pick in the draft, you won the Heisman. That's happened before and it doesn't mean that doesn't equate to success. He has the measurables. Orlovsky is saying Ty Simpson had to overcome more. Now my big concern is what did he have 16 starts in college? I don't want a quarterback who had 16 starts. History's on my side. I gotta have at least 35 starts. You know, that's where I look at Bo Nix didn't go well at Auburn. He goes to Oregon. He's a quarterback in two very competitive conferences and he plays at a very high level when he gets to Oregon and prove that was no fluke by what he's done with Denver. But I need a sample size. I always go back to Trey Lance. Man, that's an incredible year. Okay, I was one year. I want to see what you can do for at least two years, if not three. Bo Nicks played five years. Jaden Daniels five years in college. That's what I want to see. But I truly believe Orlovsky Believes that Ty Simpson is a better quarterback than Fernando Mendoza. Now, a lot goes into that. If Fernando Mendoza, well, the Raiders will protect him. They, they'll beef up the offensive line. And I'm, you know, I'm grateful, thankful, because I don't want to see another situation where you go, that guy's going to lose his confidence. They're going to be a mess. He's going to get sacked 65 times. He'll be another David Carr. I've been down this road before and I hope he gets that opportunity. Also with Ty Simpson, what if he goes to the Jets? What if he goes to the Cardinals? He's not in a better position than Fernando Mendoza other than he won't be asked to start right away. But what if he goes to Pittsburgh? Now he's in a better situation than Fernando Mendoza. And a lot of times it comes down to where you go, when did you get drafted? I always go back to what Tom Brady told me years ago. If he was a first round pick, he never would have lasted in the league because he wasn't ready. Instead, he got his chance and he made the most of it. Patrick Mahomes going to Kansas City, if he ended up going to Carolina or Cleveland or the Bears, he's not Patrick Mahomes. These things work out, but they work out because of the surrounding caste. And Ty Simpson might be the best quarterback, but that doesn't mean he's going to be great or even good. And I even said this about Fernando Mendoza. If I said right now he'll have the career of Joe Flacco, you're going to sign up for that. Now, you may not want to. I would tell you to sign up for that. Or if I said he's going to have the career of Kirk Cousins, are you going to sign up for that? The answer is no. But if you look, I want sustainability. I want somebody who has put up good numbers. That's what you want. You want somebody who's going to be there every year. He's going to be your franchise. He's going to put up numbers. Joe Flacco had a very good career. Yeah, Marvin.

[Todd]

And people don't forget how close the Ravens were to a couple other Super Bowls. So they were really competitive with Joe Flacco besides winning that one Super Bowl.

[Dan Patrick]

Mel Kuiper will join us on the program tomorrow. Yes, Paul.

[Tony Fusco]

I went back and looked in 2024, about a month before the draft, around now, Orlofsky had his quarterbacks. He said, Jaden Daniels, no doubt, number one Pick, he said. Then Caleb Williams, Drake May. But he said he had no doubts about Jaden Daniels and people dinged him for that. They said, well, how can you put them that far ahead? There was a time when that take was completely right at the end of Jaden Daniel's first year. Everybody thought Jaden Daniels was the guy. And injuries have slowed that take down and it fluctuates year to year. But the Jaden Daniels take was hot at the time.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I think we still believe that he can be an elite quarterback, but I don't know. Hey, I still liked Caleb Williams, but, you know, I like it even more now because of his coach and the weapons he's got. And then Drake May goes to the super bowl without really a supporting cast. But it, you know, it's year to year. I mean, they got a long way to go before it's done. But if Warlowski likes Ty Simpson and you, you want to criticize that because they're represented by the same, you know, firm mothership carries the draft, hype it up a little bit. Okay. But I truly believe that Orlovsky believes Ty Simpson is the number one quarterback.

[Paulie]

Yeah, see, I'm not saying that Dan doesn't believe that. Dan Orlovsky. But it does happen in this business where, oh, that guy my age, my best friend is this agent and that guy's one of my. That agent's players, my best friend's players. So I talk nicer about them. Yeah, that absolutely happens. Maybe not so much the number one overall pick of the draft, that's usually said, but definitely in all of the other ones. My best friend is that guy's agent. So I talk nice about him.

[Dan Patrick]

Absolutely. Yeah. When you're all of a sudden saying that somebody's 40 yard dash time at the combine wasn't correct because other people had handheld times for that 40 yard dash. And then all of a sudden you realize maybe there's a relationship with an agent and you're going, wait a minute, what about all the other guys who had hand time, 40 yard dashes? Just. Just one player stood out. Yes. Paulie.

[Tony Fusco]

Whenever I hear a negative report about a drafty this month, I think it's another team trying to get that draftee to drop to them. Yeah, that's what it feels like.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, we've talked about this where we have to have something to talk about. The mothership, NFL Network, they have to have something to talk about. That's different. What is different? They can run. ESPN can run with this the entire week if they Want to. With Ty Simpson, they can. They can run that and everybody's going to have an opinion on it. There's no other quarterback that you can put into the conversation now? There's no QB3 here. You're waiting for something else with this draft? How early do you take Jeremiah Love and where does Ty Simpson go? Yes, Mark.

[Todd]

Do not worry, guys. Next year's QB's class gonna be loaded.

[Dan Patrick]

Of course it will be. A couple of phone calls in here and then we'll talk to Clark Kellogg. Dave in Montana. Good morning, Dave. What's on your mind today?

[Caller Dave]

Hey, Dan. First time ever doing this six one and a wife pleasing, powerlifting, 230 pounds. So I have been fortunate. I work for myself. I've been able to take my children to school in the morning all these years. And throughout all those years, you've been on in the background in the morning and I'm a little bit emotional. Today is the anniversary of my dad passing away.

[Caller Mark]

But

[Caller Dave]

you've always been in the background in the morning with my kids. The older kids that have moved on, when they come back home, one of the things they always ask the younger kids is, how's the Dan Patrick show? And just having that constant stream in the morning to tie all of that time together and all those years. I've got one story out of it in the afternoon when I pick up the kids. Normally we've moved on to music, but the one day I wasn't feeling music and I had the radio station on and Colin Cowherd was on in the afternoon. Kids hop in the truck, they look at the radio station, they're wondering what's going on. When I explain how radio stations work, everybody gets quiet for a couple seconds. And about 10 seconds later, all you hear from the back is, this guy sucks.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, no. Come on, come on. Tell your kids to be nice. Sorry to hear about your dad. Good taste, but still.

[Paulie]

You don't need to do that.

[Dan Patrick]

No, no, we're not.

[Tony Fusco]

Wreck me, I'm out.

[Dan Patrick]

Colin and I are fine. We're fine. We moved on. We're fine. The kids may have issues, but kids get it. Yeah, he's all choked up and. Well, there's one story then my kids say this. Now, we're fine. Colin and I are fine. We move on.

[Tony Fusco]

I knew that story was gonna end like this. You did at the last 10 seconds

[Dan Patrick]

when he brought up Collins. Okay.

[Tony Fusco]

Yeah, I saw where this is going.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Caller Nate]

All right.

[Dan Patrick]

Lost my dad. Kids, come back. This guy sucks.

[Clark Kellogg]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Alrighty. Let's take a Break. Nobody says a bad word about Clark Kellogg. Nobody. No. Can't find anybody who'll say a bad word about Clark Kellogg. His jumper was a little suspect. Maybe. Maybe.

[Paulie]

This guy stinks, but definitely not sucks.

[Dan Patrick]

Clark will join us coming up next here on the Dan Patrick Show.

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[Paulie Fusco]

Paulie Fusco here with Tony Fusco. Yo, as everybody knows, we're the hosts of the award winning Paulie and Tony Fusco show. Yeah, but instead of us telling you how great we are, here's how Dan Patrick described us when he came on our show.

[Dan Patrick]

Quick, knowledgeable and funny. Opinionated. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What are you doing?

[Paulie Fusco]

You're interrupting our promo.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, he wasn't talking about you. You took those clips totally out of context.

[Will]

Oh, yeah?

[Paulie Fusco]

Well, after this promo, I'm gonna take you out and beat you.

[Dan Patrick]

Let me put this into context.

[Clark Kellogg]

Shut up.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Paulie Fusco]

Anyway, just listen to the Paulie and Tony Fusco show on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

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[Tony Fusco]

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[Dan Patrick]

They called him Special K when he was in high school and college. Clark Kellogg, CBS Sports lead college basketball studio analyst and the 8th round or 8th overall pick by the Pacers in 1982 in the first round. You still got your uniform from your Pacer days?

[Clark Kellogg]

You know, I've got, I do have actually a Pacer uniform and a Buckeye uniform DP in a memorabilia case that primarily is filled with our kids stuff, not mine. But I do have, I do have a patient uniform and a Buckeye jersey in there.

[Dan Patrick]

Did you ever ask for somebody's jersey when you were playing?

[Clark Kellogg]

I have not. I do have a signed pair of Reggie Miller shoes. I got a signed pair of Kobe's through an auction. Reggie actually signed a pair personally for me, but that's I think. And I have something from John Wooden, the late great John Wood. I have a basketball that he signed for me with the scripture reference on it. I can't think I'm not a huge memorabilia God damn, I'm not. I'm more of a memories guy. So I'm trying to accumulate those and photos and the like and. But no, I'm not a big memorabilia guy and actually my wife doesn't allow me to bring too much extra stuff in.

[Dan Patrick]

I couldn't imagine back in your day where you asked Larry Bird for one of his jerseys.

[Clark Kellogg]

No, that wasn't quite the way operated in that time. Great respect, great admiration. But I'm trying to figure out how I can maybe take him down when I see him and ask him for his jersey. Would probably get in the way of that.

[Dan Patrick]

Everybody is. It feels like lamenting. There's no Cinderella story, but I think there's dark horses like Iowa and Nebraska is a great story. Even Texas coming out of nowhere. But they're not a Cinderella story. There's High Point vcu, you know, they were nice, but now, you know, we get to this point, it feels like this is where you want the Blue Bloods or you want the best teams in college basketball. So your thoughts about no. So called Cinderella.

[Clark Kellogg]

Dan, this tournament is such a special event on the sports calendar. In the minds of many, it's the best. It's three weeks to a championship. It's 68 teams. Ultimately, one gets a shining moment. You do have stories that unfold from places that you don't anticipate. And you can dub Cinderella however you'd like to dub her. This tournament always, always, always delivers. Now, depending on your personal preference of what you prefer, then it might deliver more or less in a given year than you think. But by and large we've had a great blend of the excitement, the unpredictability that is March Madness. And so I always embrace it for what it is. Each and every year we have four number ones for the second time since the field expanded last year, and that was phenomenal. We very well could have three number ones in the final four this year. That's still tbd. So I take it for what it is. It's a joyous and exciting and blessed ride every year. And we've had quality matchups. We've had some surprising blowouts too. I mean we had blowouts in a four or five matchup between Texas Tech and Bama. We had a surprising blowout in an 89 matchup between St. Louis and Georgia. I have not. I can't recall seeing those kind of margins of victories with those two seed lines. So again, enjoy it for what it is. I'm not opposed to the matchups we have. Cinderella showed up briefly and we still have one, I think in Iowa who shockingly dominated a dominating inside front line in Florida.

[Dan Patrick]

Talking to Clark Kellogg from cbs. Be in studio for March Madness, the future of the mid major. I don't want to overreact, but I do want to react to it. Of is this an aberration of what's gone on maybe the last two years and maybe kind of this is the future with college basketball.

[Clark Kellogg]

Time shall tell. Dan. You know, we have a real tendency towards recency bias in our lives and in our sports. And we'll see, right? We'll see. It clearly looks like the tide has shifted more towards the power conference teams, the big brand names. But there's been a dominance of those groups anyway. It might be enhanced and increased going forward. I still believe part of the magic of this event is the fact that the mid majors or the non power conference teams have an opportunity with the right mix and the right formula to get to an elite eight or final four. Will we see fewer than we've seen in past years? The landscape tends to lead you to think that I would rather let the data accumulate before making a, a statement on it.

[Dan Patrick]

But I'm wondering if, if I just look at this big picture logically. You have the big conferences where these kids might not be drafted and they could stay an extra year now. And you're going to, then you're going to have big names at your school who will go to the draft, but then you're going to get guys who go I got nil, that I could make money. I might stay a year longer at Kentucky or LSU or Florida, those places. And you're also going to cherry pick the mid majors where you go, hey, did you see that? Freshman or a sophomore, we can offer you money. And that's where I think you're going to have guys stay, but you're also going to get an influx of guys who have proven that they can play and you may not have to go after, you know, a high school kid. You're getting somebody who's already, you know, battle tested.

[Clark Kellogg]

Valid, valid points, real points. That reality exists. But I also think somebody mentioned this to me and I can't recall who it was because I'd love to attribute this to them. But they also talked about as much as we've talked about the marquee freshmen and how great this class is. There also have been a number of really good freshmen that have played at the high points or the mid majors and have excelled. And I think what may stand some of that tide and still help March Madness be a Cinderella place on occasion will be that some of these high school kids that are talented but may not be one and done kind of guys will end up in good situations at winning programs at the mid major level. And some of them will decide that that's the best place for me to be as long as I can be comfortably taken care of from an nil standpoint and can develop and can maybe make a March Madness moment with a group of guys that I want to play with. So I think that's still going to exist. I'm always idealistic. Yeah, won't exist as much, but I think it still will be part of the fabric.

[Dan Patrick]

Feels like people are cooling on Duke's chances.

[Clark Kellogg]

Understandably so. I mean, when you look at how Michigan is played, Purdue is coming on Arizona. I thought Michigan and Arizona coming into the tournament would have been co favorites. I don't look at the odds makers, but I'm sure that's probably what it looked like. I know Duke at one point, but you have the injury to Gong but he looked good in his game. He looks to be 100%. Obviously, Kayla Foster is not coming back. You're wondering how that affects Duke as they go forward. So I could see where, if you're ranking the remaining teams and you've got Tom Izzo in Michigan State looking at you and how successful he's been, that Duke would be considered maybe vulnerable in. In its bracket. They got St. John's first, which isn't going to be easy. So I could see that. Yeah, I could see that. Where people would cool on their chances to win it all.

[Dan Patrick]

Did BYU get their money's worth with AJ Deban?

[Clark Kellogg]

That's a relative question. I mean, clearly they got talked about more and probably got more media exposure and contacts than they could have ever imagined. Certainly in terms of what happened on the floor, in terms of success, maybe a tad below. But again, I don't know what the number was. You hear those numbers, but there's no real reporting like you get from the NBA where you know what guys are really making. I think it was as long as he felt good about where he landed, they felt good about how he produced. The results as a team were less than anticipated, but I would think it would have been. I would look at it as a fair exchange, quite honestly.

[Dan Patrick]

We're going to expand the first four at some point.

[Clark Kellogg]

You're assured of that.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Clark Kellogg]

Okay. What do you think is going to be dp?

[Dan Patrick]

I just think you double Tuesday and Wednesday.

[Clark Kellogg]

So you're talking eight teams.

[Dan Patrick]

You just. You get sick. You still get your 64 to start officially on Thursday. But I think they'll just. They'll add more games on Tuesday and Wednesday. I don't think anybody will have a problem with more games on Tuesday and Wednesday. And, I mean, the structure is going to be the same. I think that's what people will be like. Okay, we still have our 64 teams and are 1 through 16. I think they'll just. They'll add to Tuesday and Wednesday.

[Clark Kellogg]

Yeah, I don't disagree. I mean, they've talked. The talk has been 72 to 76 teams, which mathematically makes sense because most of the championships that the NCAA puts on. 20% of the eligible teams make the postseason. We are currently at 365 Division 1 teams. 20% of that would be 73. So I've reconciled that. I know it's about more games and more money, but I've reconciled the mathematical component of why we would expand. And it was much the same when we went from 64 to 68 in 2011, the number of Division 1 teams had increased. You want to get to that 20, 21, 22%. And I'm fine with that expanding for the sake of expansion. No, but when you've got a rationale behind it, more teams create more spaces for opportunities for more players, student athletes. So I'm good with it. I don't think we'll go anything beyond either four additional teams or eight. And to your point, I think folks will be fine and adjust and be happy with starting the 64 team bracket on Thursday. The calendar won't allow for much more than that. I just think the calendar would allow for anything beyond that.

[Dan Patrick]

How often does Charles Barkley leave you speechless?

[Clark Kellogg]

I mean, but it's so much fun for him to leave you speechless or shaking your head or scratching your head or just laughing hysterically. I tell everybody, you know, one, you spent a lot of time around him. He's one of the most gracious celebrities of his stature that you will find anywhere because he's genuinely a good guy and he is a genuinely funny guy, which adds to his Persona, which is off the charts.

[Dan Patrick]

Good to talk to you. Great work. Thanks for joining us, Clark.

[Clark Kellogg]

Always a pleasure, Dan. I look forward to it every year. Keep up the great work, man.

[Dan Patrick]

Clark Kellogg, CBS lead college basketball studio analyst known as Special K. Let's see a couple of phone calls in here. How about Mark in Nebraska? Hi, Mark. What's on your mind today?

[Caller Mark]

Hey, Dan. Six foot one, working on it. 200 pounds. So I am a proud Nebraska fan. I'm 25 years old and this is probably might be the biggest Nebraska game in my entire lifetime. All right, Dan, there are three things I am raised on.

[Dan Patrick]

Mark. Mark, there aren't a lot of big Nebraska games in your lifetime anymore.

[Caller Mark]

My parents, my parents did say that we used to be really good at football and I've.

[Caller Tommy]

Yet

[Dan Patrick]

you guys were really good at football, trust me. But have you become a basketball school?

[Caller Mark]

You know, I'd say lately for sure, yeah. I mean, I don't know our football team. Like, I'm not, like, I'm not drinking the Kool Aid too much this year, but I went down to Oklahoma city for the first round game and like, there are 16,000 fans there, 15,000 word Nebraska.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Caller Mark]

And even, even during the second round game, you heard him chanting Husker Power during the Houston, Texas A and M game. So for me to believe that there isn't just going to be a sea of red coming down from Lincoln, Nebraska and taking over Houston, I don't Believe it. But I'm telling you, scourged by 90. I have an absolute hatred for Iowa. Always have. And this is, this is my super bowl here.

[Dan Patrick]

Why do you hate iow?

[Caller Mark]

Well, I mean, there's a few personal reasons. My dad is also an Iowa State fan. He went to school Iowa State. So also a hatred there. Had an ex girlfriend who's an Iowa fan. Cheated on me. But that's neither here nor there. But that's a personal reason. But yeah, I mean, why Iowa? Who even likes Iowa?

[Dan Patrick]

All right, well, good luck, Mark. I really am looking forward to that game. I just hope that it is what we expect it to be. Almost like when Oklahoma, Nebraska played football on Thanksgiving back in the 70s. That was great stuff. Nate Milway. Hi, Nate. What's on your mind today?

[Caller Nate]

Hey, Dan, I wanted to throw an idea out there for your speech at your daughter's wedding in August.

[Dan Patrick]

Yep.

[Caller Nate]

Why not incorporate. Why not incorporate elements of the DP show, like stat of the day, the number of times you were proud of your daughter this day in sports history, a proud sports moment she had as a kid. Best and worst of the weekend. Best her getting married and worse, the speech.

[Caller Mark]

And then.

[Caller Nate]

And then take some calls from the wedding guest.

[Dan Patrick]

I'll take some. So people will be raising their hand at the reception, giving me their height and weight. Oh, thank you, Nate. A lot of suggestions coming in yesterday on social media, helping me get through this speech in August. Yes, Todd, take it from me, you

[Will]

don't want to make it about you. If you do something like that, then you're totally making about you.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Todd. While you just made it about you not wanting to make it about you.

[Will]

It's really a new win situation. But I thought that was a clever thing to say in the moment.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Todd.

[Paulie]

That's what I was saying yesterday. So whatever you do, just don't make it about you then, Todd.

[Dan Patrick]

You can't help yourself.

[Will]

I just walk right into it, don't I?

[Dan Patrick]

You do. Like Seaton had a really good story about screwing up his haircut and then all of a sudden it became about you.

[Will]

I made a five second coming saying, you know, it's a first world problem. I wish I had.

[Dan Patrick]

But why can't you could have just commented on Seaton. Let Seaton have the moment.

[Will]

I didn't realize I was doing something so awful with that little five, six second comment that I made over.

[Paulie]

It's five six second comments over the course of 20 years.

[Dan Patrick]

So if I add that up, how many hours is that over 20 years.

[Will]

That would be a lot.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Todd. Curtis in Dayton. Hi, Curtis. What's on your mind? What's going on?

[Caller Mark]

Thanks for calling me back, DP Yep.

[Dan Patrick]

So over the weekend, it was quiet at my house on Sunday and I

[Caller Tommy]

thought, you know what?

[Dan Patrick]

I'm going to give the Todd cast a chance. And have you ever watched a movie afterwards?

[Caller Mark]

You don't know what you just watched.

[Dan Patrick]

I didn't know whether I needed to shower or laugh. Well, I would say that is the Todd cast. It is unique. And if you have an hour, an hour to spare and you want to listen to more Todd tell you about Todd, then go to Dan Patrick dot com. The Todcast. I, I find it, it's, it's a lot. There's a lot going on there. But yeah, it's the Todd cast. Yes.

[Todd]

Marv, there's no stop signs on the Todd cast.

[Dan Patrick]

No, there is.

[Todd]

Like you and Paulie are here to stop fritzing.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Todd]

Dylan's like, hey, your love life go?

[Dan Patrick]

Dylan is kind of the host, but all he is is basically the maitre d to have Todd sit at his table.

[Todd]

He's an instigator also.

[Dan Patrick]

You'll sneak a line in there. But yeah, the gambling podcast and Todd cast are. They are awesome. They are unique, interesting. They're fun. More phone calls coming up. We'll take a break here. Baseball's opening day tomorrow. A standalone game with the Giants and the Yankees. We'll update the poll results. We're back after this.

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[Todd]

Come on.

[Dan Patrick]

No, no, I'm serious. Happens all the time. And you know, they're the official lawn care treatment provider, the PGA Tour, so they know what it takes to get golf course quality lawns.

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So you're saying we could host a tournament out back?

[Dan Patrick]

No. I mean, we could make. Yeah, I guess we can. If True Green's doing all the work, no one makes it easier. They handle the treatments, the timing, everything.

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[Will]

I'll play, but I'm not mowing.

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[Tony Fusco]

Yeah, Paulie, there was an Article about a week and a half ago. MLB broadcast will likely no longer use a strike zone box to indicate where the pitch was or whether it was a ball or strike. That coincides with the implementation of the ABS system.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Tony Fusco]

So that is likely happening almost immediately this season.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. But I like it. Now, I think you're sometimes misled because the camera is over the picture, the right side of the picture, and it's not, you know, it's not framed correctly. So you can get something that looks like it's a strike or a ball and it's not just because of the camera angle of that. But I do like, can we have something that shows up on the scoreboard? Can we have something that shows up on the screen? But I do think that's coming. And these basketball courts, I do think that, you know, we're just starting now. Some of these are terrible looking. The Big 12, that was terrible looking. Plus you got to make it safe, too. But I think what you can do with these basketball courts. And I would bring back the red, white and blue basketball. I would, I would bring that and get it. It's so, I mean, it's awesome to watch that ball. You know, you get the rotation. I think it would be a lot of fun to get that, bring that back. Take it from the. You took everything else from the aba. Why not take the basketball? It's red, white and blue. It's Americana. Yeah. Be great. Yeah. Pulling.

[Tony Fusco]

I'm looking at some descriptions of the new broadcast. I wonder if it's going to clean up the broadcast, not having the shaded box and it'll look a little more old school to the eye when you're watching a baseball, when you go back

[Dan Patrick]

and look at old footage and. And there's nothing on the screen, nothing there. No graphics. No. What's, what's the balls and strikes and outs and runner at second. Nothing. Nothing. It's. It's like watching a hockey game and there's nothing on the boards. Now you got all that advertising. Yes, Todd.

[Will]

But in some ways, even though it looks so naked, it forces people to pay attention to what's going on in the game and the balls and strikes and the situation and who's on base. And now we're in a world of. You don't have to remember a phone number or anything. Everything is just in your face constantly.

[Dan Patrick]

Tommy in Minneapolis. Hi, Tommy. What's on your mind?

[Caller Tommy]

Good morning, Dan. Thank you for taking my call. Dan, I'd like to ask you a question, but before I ask the. Want to give you some background as to why I'm asking the question, Dan. Recently the sports talk radio station in my market decided after years of taking live in calls, not to take any live in calls anymore. And the reason they said is because it wasn't adding to the content of the show. So I started thinking, well, the Dan Patrick show is probably the best sports talk show out there. And you're a three hour show. You take live call ins and it really adds to the content to your show, I believe. So my question to you, Dan, is when you are putting the format of your show together, why did you decide to take live callings?

[Dan Patrick]

Because you're, you're allowing me into your life, whether you're listening in real time in your car, watching at home, or listening on the podcast. And I, I love that relationship. You get an opportunity to be part of the show and I, I welcome that. It's, it's a great honor that you want to call in, you want to take time out, you want to share, you want to be part of the show. And I just love the reciprocation and that's why we've always done it and we'll continue to do it. Reggie Miller in the final hour of the program.

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