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Hour 2 – Olympic Flag Football, Albert Breer

The Dan Patrick Show

Tue May 20 2025

Summary

Summary of “The Dan Patrick Show: Hour 2 – Olympic Flag Football, Albert Breer”

Release Date: May 20, 2025
Host: Dan Patrick
Guest: Albert Breer, Senior NFL Reporter

Introduction

In the second hour of “The Dan Patrick Show,” host Dan Patrick engages in an in-depth discussion with senior NFL reporter Albert Breer. The conversation centers around pivotal topics from the recent NFL owners' meetings in Minneapolis, with a particular focus on the controversial Tush Push play and the NFL's initiative to include flag football in the upcoming Los Angeles Olympics.

NFL Owners' Meeting: Tush Push and Flag Football

Tush Push Modification Vote

Albert Breer opens the dialogue by detailing the recent developments from the NFL owners' meetings. A significant agenda item was the vote on modifying the Tush Push play, a tactic that has garnered both support and criticism due to player safety concerns.

Breer: “There is going to be a vote on the Tush Push today or tomorrow trying to get the requisite owners, the number that you need to be able to get rid of the Tush Push... they tabled it the last time they all got together because the commissioner is not going to have you vote on something that he knows is not going to pass” ([00:05]).

Breer suggests that the NFL is cautiously adjusting the language surrounding the Tush Push to address safety without facing outright rejection from the owners. He highlights the complexities of altering established play strategies and the inherent resistance from teams that have perfected its use, such as the Philadelphia Eagles.

Olympic Flag Football Initiative

The conversation shifts to the NFL's proactive steps to integrate flag football into the Olympics, aiming to globalize the sport without the physical toll of tackle football.

Breer: “NFL was really proactive in getting flag football into the LA Olympics... permission for any player under NFL contract to participate in tryouts. A limit of one player per NFL team on each national team participating” ([02:00]).

Dan Patrick voices skepticism about the practicality and appeal of NFL players participating in Olympic flag football, questioning the relevance and impact it might have on the sport's development.

Patrick: “I couldn't care less about this... it's just a different sport altogether” ([02:40]).

Breer concurs, emphasizing the NFL's primary motive to market flag football globally rather than genuinely advancing the sport.

Community Opinions and Callers’ Input

Throughout the hour, Patrick and Breer interact with listeners who provide personal insights and opinions on the discussed topics.

Caller Jimmy from Tampa:

Jimmy shares his frustration with the Tush Push and supports the NFL flag football initiative for youth development, particularly highlighting its benefits for young girls.

Jimmy: “My kids play, and she's a girl. And it's just going to be a great opportunity for these kids, especially girls, to get scholarships and stuff like that” ([15:00]).

Patrick remains critical of the NFL's approach, suggesting that the inclusion seems more like a marketing gimmick than a genuine effort to grow the sport.

Quarterback Contracts and Future Prospects

Brock Purdy's Contract Negotiation

The discussion transitions to Brock Purdy’s recent contract with the San Francisco 49ers, where Patrick analyzes the strategic negotiations that led to a deal perceived as favorable for both parties.

Patrick: “My sense is that, like, about $176 million is going to be virtually guaranteed and this contract will reflect... Purdy being the quarterback for the next four years” ([24:43]).

Breer emphasizes the importance of strong guarantees and the avoidance of restrictive clauses, ensuring Purdy’s stability within the team.

Caleb Williams and the Draft Process

Breer draws parallels between Caleb Williams’ pre-draft business-like approach and that of former NFL players like Marvin Harrison, highlighting a shift in how athletes manage their careers in the NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) era.

Breer: “They were the first high school class to enter college in the NIL era. So these guys have legitimately been businessmen since they were 18 years old” ([26:36]).

Patrick and Breer discuss the implications of such approaches on future drafts and team negotiations, noting that athletes are becoming more strategic and empowered in their career decisions.

Arch Manning’s Future

The conversation briefly touches on the prospects of Arch Manning, speculating on his potential decisions regarding entry into the NFL and the factors that might influence his choices.

Aaron Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers Rumor

A significant portion of the discussion is dedicated to Aaron Rodgers and the circulating rumors about his possible signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Breer: “I think the contract's not going to be an issue... we should respect that, of course” ([34:24]).

Patrick provides a realistic outlook on the situation, considering the potential disruptions and the Steelers' strategy in handling Rodgers' personal matters before finalizing any agreement.

Brett Favre Documentary and Legacy

Towards the end of the hour, Patrick and Breer reflect on the recently released Brett Favre documentary available on Netflix, critiquing its portrayal of Favre and contrasting it with Aaron Rodgers’ public image.

Breer: “You don’t come away feeling better about Brett Favre. You might come away from it feeling like, wow, they really went after him” ([38:46]).

They discuss how Favre remains a beloved figure in Green Bay despite the negative aspects highlighted in the documentary, juxtaposing it with the more complex reception of Rodgers.

Conclusion

Dan Patrick and Albert Breer provide a comprehensive analysis of the latest NFL developments, focusing on rule changes, strategic initiatives like Olympic flag football, and significant player contracts. Their conversation underscores the NFL's efforts to evolve the game while grappling with internal dynamics and external perceptions.

Notable Quotes:

Albert Breer: “The resolution on Olympic flag football participation is you're going to allow one player on each team to try to qualify to play for the national team.” ([02:00])
Dan Patrick: “I couldn't care less about this... it's just a different sport altogether” ([02:40])
Dan Patrick: “As you know, this generation of athletes is going to be... handling their business affairs.” ([26:49])
Albert Breer: “If you sign him in April... you’ve basically signed up for the entire spring...” ([34:39])

This episode of “The Dan Patrick Show” offers listeners a deep dive into crucial NFL decisions and their broader implications, enriched by expert insights and interactive listener engagement.

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Transcript

Dan Patrick (0:00)

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Albert Breer (0:05)

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio, Hour two on this Tuesday, Dan and the Danettes, Dan Patrick Show. We will take you to the NFL owners meetings in Minnesota, Minneapolis. Coming up here in about 20 minutes, we'll talk to Albert Brear, the Monday morning quarterback. And yes, there is going to be a vote on the Tush push today or tomorrow trying to get the requisite owners, the number that you need to be able to get rid of the Tush push. And I do think that the NFL wants to do that. I think they're modifying language here and that's why they tabled it the last time they all got together because the commissioner is not going to have you vote on something that he knows is not going to pass, and that's why they tabled it. Now, you do sort of the backroom dealings here. You talk to some of the owners. Maybe there's data out there that talks about potential injuries. The language in the Tush push is what I was told about yesterday, that they needed to clean it up, modify it. And the latest installment of what the language will be, they've taken out a paragraph, but we'll talk to Albert Beer also. Flag football, they're going to vote on that. I don't get this. I'm missing something because there. Okay. The NFL was really proactive in getting flag football into the LA Olympics. From what I'm told, a vote on whether to allow NFL players to participate in flag football in the Olympics expected to pass at the meeting today. This, according to Adam Schefter, gotta have at least 24 of the owners, 24 of the 32. And then you have to negotiate with the NFL Players Association. The resolution on Olympic flag football participation is you're going to allow one player on each team to try to qualify to play for the national team. So there's only one player in the NFL who will play for Team usa, from what I'm understanding. And then if somebody wants to play who is from Canada, somebody is from England or South Africa, Australia, and they play in the NFL, then they're going to give them the opportunity to do that. Okay. Unless it's a marquee player. I couldn't care less than an NFL player is going to play in the NFL. So permission for any player under NFL contract to participate in tryouts. A limit of one player per NFL team on each national team participating. Okay. If I'm the Dolphins owner, am I letting Tyreek Hill play? No. Am I going to Let Joe Burrow play. No, I mean, I get it. You want to grow the sport around the world by playing flag football. You want boys and girls to be playing flag football around the world, okay? And that's. That's the end game here. This is like, look at us, the NFL and flag football, okay? It's one player for Team usa. I don't even know who that's going to be. And if you're an owner, are you going to allow that player to play? I like how they talk about, you know, salary cap credit for any player who's injured, a purchase of leaguewide insurance policies. Oh, my God. We don't need NFL players in the Olympics playing flag football. Now, if you said every country had an NFL quarterback planned for him, okay, I'm interested. Other than that, I couldn't care less about this, but, man, is this an initiative for the NFL? You get to try out for the Olympics with flag football. I would rather let the flag football players play. This is what they do. This is what they. They developed. This should be them playing and showcasing the sport. I don't need it gimmicky. Oh, who. Who's playing? I don't know. Tank Dell. Okay, like, I don't care. We'll talk to Albert Brer about this. And of course, the. The Tush push coming up. Say good morning if you're watching on Peacock. That's our streaming partner. Download the app if you haven't done so. Also radio affiliates around the country. Big night tonight. I got the party bus parked outside. I stocked it with beer, nothing else. Although a couple of the back room guys apparently brought their own liquor. We will not have liquor on the bus. If we win on the way back, champagne, but that's it. Not going to have liquor going down. Because here's the thing. The happy hour is hours. It's from 4 to 6, and then the ceremony doesn't start till 7. So that means if you get there, it's 4 to 7 that you're going to be drinking. Yes. I know from past experience that it's definitely a ceremony long enough that your buzz wears off and then you're just tired. Well, I'm trying to limit the collateral damage for the show. That's not a bad idea. Yeah. But I think if you have, maybe it's a two drink maximum, not a two drink minimum because there's a couple of guys in the back, including Dylan, that can get after it. Yes, Todd.

Albert Breer (10:52)

Yeah, we're. We're kind of like a. A bad NBA team taking threes. We're over five with the sports Emmys and we could go over six here tonight. Just keep shooting. Yeah, that's what we do. Yes, Marv, but I think this playoff run is important for the NBA because now you're developing new stars on the biggest stage. There's no Steph, there's no Giannis, there's no joker, there's no LeBron, there's no KD. So now you can have new stars on the biggest stage. Not in the conference semifinals. Two new stars are going to be in the NBA Finals. Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm just. I know what's going to happen, that this is going to be a negative and nobody's going to watch and ratings will be down and I just watch, you know, I don't want somebody telling me to watch or not watch, you know. You know this. You either want to watch it or you don't. Yes. These numbers only matter when comparing them to WNBA numbers. It's the only time that those numbers actually matter. Yeah. Yeah. Couple of phone calls here, Jimmy in Tampa. Hi, Jimmy. What's on your mind today? Morning, Dan. What's up, boys? And hello, Fritzy. I had two comments for you, Dan, one with the push tush. I'll tell you, I used to run a fullback and I hated when these huge linemen used to land on my ankles. I hurt my knees a couple times when they were doing that. The second one was yesterday with the. The NFL flag. My kids play, and she's a girl. She plays quarterback for Pinellas county. And it's just going to be a great opportunity for these kids, especially girls, for get scholarships and stuff like that. And I don't know, just a shout out to and thank Coach Dennis and Pinellas out there. All right, thank you, Jimmy. A powerhouse. Yeah, of course, I think it's great, but let the flag football players play in the Olympics. They're trying to gimmick this up. Like, oh, man, there's going to be an NFL player out there. Unless it's a marquee player, I couldn't care less. Mike in la. Hi, Mike. What's on your mind today? Yeah, hey, Dan and Fritzi, you know, thanks for taking my call.

Dan Patrick (22:22)

So back when I was in college at Ohio State, we were in a fraternity league, and we had a bunch of us played high school football, and we wound up winning our fraternity league, right? And we won our fraternity league by playing, you know, like, we're running football plays. So then, you know, we kind of, like, we're like, well, what happened? What would happen if we entered this, like, Nike Elite League? Right? And so we got our freaking doors blown off playing in this Nike Elite league. And what we found out in doing that was like. Like this flag league. Like, it wasn't like football. It was a Different sport altogether. There were laterals and pitches and it was, and it had nothing to do with size. And I mean it's just like it, like it's a, it's a different thing altogether if you're really doing so. You know, like, I understand the concept of putting NFL players out there. I just wonder if the juice is worth the squeeze, you know what I mean? Like, okay, like, so you get a little more attention on it by putting NFL players out there, but are they the best players in the world at that specific thing? If you're giving people five years to train for this, are you saying like an NFL player will be ready to, in a month to go and compete? And if I'm a team, like I look at that and say like, that's when a guy's getting ready for training camp. So instead of, you know, getting ready for the rigors of an NFL season, he's going to be doing something completely different than preparing for tackle football. I, I, it's just, it's complicated for all of those reasons and I, I think the risk here would be are you just turning this into a freak show? You know what I mean? Like, it's just like, okay, like come watch the, come watch the 250 pound tight end go out and play against a bunch of 180 pound guys from France, you know what I mean? Like, is that what we're doing here and is that good for the long term viability of flag football as a sport? I don't know. I think those are all questions that are worthy and I don't know one way or the other. I'm not saying I have all the answers, but I think those are all viable questions.

Dan Patrick (26:49)

Yeah. Two things. Number one, I would say it's a tough look for Matt Eber Fluis and Shane Waldron and the guys who were on staff last year. I mean, that. It just. It sucks because I think for those guys, they're going to have to answer those questions now. Like, you know, if they have to interview for another job, what do you think the first question is going to be? You mean you didn't. You didn't have your quarterback learning how to watch film, what was going on there? You know, so there could be some effect there. I don't think it's going to have an effect in the new staff, because Ben Johnson wasn't there for that, obviously. And then the second piece of it, I think it's just kind of where we're at with pro athletes right now. And I think it's notable too because we talked about this with Marvin Harrison last year, right? Like, Marvin Harrison handled his pre draft process so differently than almost any other athlete we've seen in that he very much limited the teams. He was, he was going to, he was, he was, he was going to meet with extensively beyond just the combine. He didn't take a physical at the combine, which was, you know, a little out of whack. Right. Like as far as a lot of NFL people saw it. But he's like, if I'm going to be a top five pick, why do I want to give the other 27 teams my, my medical information? And then, you know, he, he also like, didn't work out for the larger group. So. And he had asked teams like, do you need me to work out? And they said no to him. And really the overarching thing with Marvin there was he handled the entire thing like a business proposition. Why is that relevant with Marvin and Caleb Williams? Well, because they were the first high school class to enter college in the NIL era. So these guys have legitimately been businessmen since they were 18 years old. It's the first group that came out of high school into the NIL era. I thought that was notable at Marvin and I think it's notable here with Caleb. And Caleb asked these big picture questions that guys 10, 15, 20 years ago may not have asked. And I think it's part of what this generation of athletes is going to be. They're entering the league with money in their pocket. They have some leverage because of it, and they've had, you know, the chance to kind of write their ticket right up until they enter the NFL. And so, you know, I think for Caleb, it was kind of what we've seen about him resisting going to Chicago was part of a bigger picture thing, which is I'm handling, I'm handling my business affairs. Like their business affairs. Like this is these, this is, this is big business and I'm going to treat it as such. And you know, and even though he didn't go through with it, the fact that he just explored it I think is a precursor to more guys handling their pre draft process this way because they're more prepared to based on what they went through in college.

Dan Patrick (32:21)

I have to think it's going to be hard for them to run a four man competition in camp because you have to get the rest of your team ready because of the rules. There's only so many opportunities you get with your first offense out there. You've got to Prepare the other 10 guys in the huddle to play football, to play offense in 2025. And so you can't just add endlessly have this quarterback derby going on. So I would think my guess would be they have to at least get a read on it over the course of the next five weeks, six weeks and OTAs and minicamp and allow that to sort of guide them as far as how good a shot every one of those guys has at winning the job. When we get to the summer where it's like, at least in their heads narrowed down a little bit, where they're giving the best opportunities to the guys who have proven themselves the most. So, you know, it's funny too, like, because I thought about this and like, it's like, well, Joe Flacco could, just because he was there two years ago, he could just, you know, give up some of the reps so the other guys could get it. Do you think Joe's going to sign up for that, Dan? Like, I mean, like, he wants to start, you know, so it's like Tommy Reese is the offensive coordinator. He wasn't there two years ago. So do you, if you're Joe, do you want to give Kenny Pickett and Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders all of these reps with the new coordinator that you're not getting that might give them a leg up in the competition, which could end up like, could like wind up leading to you losing your job? Like, I don't see that. That being like, I don't see that being the best course of action for Joe Flacco either. So it's definitely complicated in a lot of different ways. And I do think More so than in a normal quarterback competition because there are four of them. They have to get a read on this and have to have an idea of what the pecking order might be coming out of the spring. And then I would think you probably are on the second or third preseason game, are making a decision on your starter.