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Ian Pfaff (2:55)

Now you are listening to the Dan.

Brady Quinn (2:57)

Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio.

Ian Pfaff (3:00)

It's the Dan Patrick show, fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here in for Dan and the guys. You can hear us Weekday mornings on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Monday through Friday, 6:00am Eastern Time, 3:00 clock Pacific. But we are in for the boys here on this three hour extravaganza taking you all the way up until Noon Eastern Time, 9 o' clock Pacific. Still kind of reeling from lead to lap our executive producers. Hot dog count from yesterday on National Hot Dog Day. Revolting. The five hot dogs Lee had yesterday in a four to five hour span because it was hot dog day. Is that more than you've had in your entire life, Brady?

Brady Quinn (3:44)

Like I'd have to go back so far to think about the last time. I mean, I, I haven't ate many hot dogs. I threw them up one time as a kid and that was kind of it. Once you see like what you eat thrown back up, it's hard to then eat that again.

Albert Breer (4:00)

Right?

Brady Quinn (4:01)

At least that's, that's how it is for me. I don't know if it is for you guys.

Ian Pfaff (4:05)

That is a great point.

Brady Quinn (4:08)

I mean, is that, is that too much? Is that tmi?

Ian Pfaff (4:10)

That's a fair point.

LaVar Arrington (4:11)

I just have a weak stomach, man. That's, it's all good.

Brady Quinn (4:13)

Oh, you, if you could have seen the way I threw up all over this little like back patio. It was covered and it was a combination of hot dogs, orange juice and chips. Yeah, that's at like 6 in the morning. My, my dad, chopper came out and just goes, what the hell? He's just, he gets the hose out, he's spraying down the back patio and he's sprang me down at the same time. I'm like in my pajamas just soaking wet with puke and everything on me. It was, oh, not good.

LaVar Arrington (4:44)

You know, it brings up a fond memory of, of throwing up for, for me as well, you know.

Brady Quinn (4:50)

New Orleans.

LaVar Arrington (4:51)

No, no, I didn't throw up in New Orleans. I didn't, did I? No, no, I did it. I did it. But my daughter, she didn't want to go to school. This one day in particular the one that just celebrated her 10th birthday. And she's like, oh, you know, my stomach is hurting. Like my stomach hurts. And you know, you eight year old kid, you're like, your stomach doesn't hurt. Your stomach is going to be just fine. You got to go to school. We're driving to school. We almost are to school. She's like, dad, my stomach hurts. And I was like, I was like, it's just odd that the closer we're getting to school and before I could even finish my, my sentence, she, I mean, she hit the back seat up, she hit my arm, the armrest, the foot. Oh, you wasn't lying. And it looked like, looked like Pepto Bismol. I had no idea why it came out that the color that it did and, and like the, the texture of what it was, it, it was bad. But I turned around and took her home.

Ian Pfaff (5:58)

Oh, what's the old adage, you know, just listen to your body. It'll tell you everything you need to know. If something hurts, don't do it. If, if, if something comes.

LaVar Arrington (6:06)

But what if you think somebody's giving you an excuse? I felt bad.

Ian Pfaff (6:11)

Only one way to prove you wrong.

LaVar Arrington (6:12)

Well, I've never questioned her again.

Ian Pfaff (6:15)

She was telling the truth.

LaVar Arrington (6:16)

She was telling the truth.

Ian Pfaff (6:17)

You got an honest kid there.

LaVar Arrington (6:18)

I guess so. Sure enough, gave it up. All of it too.

Ian Pfaff (6:23)

Well, I don't know if you know if Russell Wilson's ready to give it up yet.

LaVar Arrington (6:28)

Clearly he's not.

Ian Pfaff (6:29)

This was in speaking with Connor or of Sports Illustrated, Russell Wilson spoke about how much longer he wants to play. Quote, five plus years. I can still throw the ball 65, 70 yards. I can still move and I think I'm capable of doing a lot. It's funny because to me being in Denver in my first year, I was hurt most of the time and battled through it. The second year I felt like myself again. Then going to Pittsburgh, obviously, unfortunately I got injured early in the season. Didn't end up the way we wanted it to, but it just rejuvenated everything. And then being here in New York with the Giants, it's like playing at the stadium again, knowing that I've held the trophy here before. So that was Russell Wilson talking with Connor or about his desire to keep playing four or five more years. This is his fourth team in five years. Hasn't the market kind of already spoken on him? And they just drafted a quarterback in the first round, so it feels like it's more likely that and brought in.

LaVar Arrington (7:30)

A backup that could beat him out.

Ian Pfaff (7:32)

Yeah, it just feels like it's more likely that if he does want to play four or five more years, it's going to be in situations like this where, yeah, he's the starter for the time being until the, the rookie or the younger quarterback gets developed. That's what it feels like at this point in his career.

LaVar Arrington (7:49)

Go ahead, Q. You got it.

Brady Quinn (7:53)

I think it's hard for every athlete. It doesn't matter, by the way, like, at what level, but in particular when you're at the professional level and even for someone who has won a Super bowl, has been to two, has, you know, played at an MVP level, I think to feel like they're not able to, to get the job done right, I think we all like, to some degree. I mean, again, lavar, I'm sure there's times when you see, man, man, you're like, oh, I could take him, like, if I needed to go in for a few plays, I could do it. Now, can you do it consistently for the entirety of a game, for the entirety of a season? That's where it gets a lot more difficult, not only for your, your level of performance, but just to stay healthy. I mean, one of the things that he admitted to when he's saying this, too, is the injuries that have crept up more and more. You remember how durable Russell Wilson was at the beginning of his career, despite the fact that he put himself in harm's way all the time. I mean, dude, how often did we see him in his rookie and even second, third, fourth seasons, there'd be these plays where you go like, holy cow, he's Houdini. How did he find his way out of that? How did he make that throw? How did he make that player get out of, you know, and scrambled it to run and pick up the first down. Now, at times, you know, he didn't ever took the big shot for the most part, but I think as it wore on and as he kind of realized that that's harder and harder to do as you, you age and you're not quite as fast or explosive, your game has to change as well. And I think that's one of the things that, not just for him, it's difficult for any professional athlete to, to be able to see that because the game mentally is slowing down. Like, what you see out there is like, in slow mo, you know, where everyone's supposed to be, you know, what the responsibilities are. Then it becomes more of a battle of the physical and your ability to actually do it and get your body to do what you want it to do when you need it to be done. And that's where I feel like there's a bit of a disconnect probably between, you know, how he's feeling, how he's played, but what he thinks about. Know everything mentally because he's like, dude, this game's never felt easier in my mind, watching it and seeing it. So it's, it's just kind of interesting to me when you hear these words because at times, you know, they might come off as sound like Uncle Rico from Napoleon Dynamite. You know, it comes off a little bit like that. But how much you want to make a bet I can throw a football over the mountain?

Ian Pfaff (10:25)

65, 70 yards.

Brady Quinn (10:27)

I'm just saying, like, at times it feels like that, but then other times you go, okay, like, he just feels like he's healthy now, he's in a better spot to go and perform. But, but time will tell. I mean, the, the draft pick two behind him that, you know, the fans are gonna be clamoring for him. The organization is eventually gonna want to see what they have in Jackson Dart. He's obviously a first round draft pick for a reason, so the writing's not kind of already on the wall. And I think that's what makes it difficult for Russell Wilson in the spot he has to hit the ground running. There can't be any lag or stall or anything in his performance. Any injuries like he had last year starting off in Pittsburgh where he couldn't get into the season healthy, none of that can take place. He's got a very, very slim margin for error to start this thing, get off on a hot start, to maintain being the starting quarterback.

Ian Pfaff (11:13)

By the way, to your point, he didn't miss a start until his last year in Seattle. And I think that was the mallet finger he suffered. He suffered the mallet finger his final year in Seattle. And then he missed a couple of games, but before that, never missed a game, never missed a start his entire career.

Brady Quinn (11:27)

And by the way, and I told you this because I've. To this day, I'd. Mallet finger, my. My index fingers on my throwing hands. Never, never felt the same after that. And you know, again, I don't know exactly what he went through from the procedure and everything else. And it sounds like something so small, like Lavar is probably like, oh, like what are you. Your index finger? No, no, but it's like for, for. For a thrower, it's important, right? Like that, that's like a little thing where you see like a, A Major league base, like on the IL for like a hangnail, but like it's kind of important if they can't throw the way they need to. And I don't know that he's ever been the same throwing the football in his career after that. And again, something small, but those injuries add up and it, it changes the way you play.

LaVar Arrington (12:09)

Let me throw this out at you guys. We talked about Bill Belichick or, excuse me, Robert Kraft, and what he had to say in taking the risk in hiring Bill Belichick, which to me was a flex to remind people, like, let's slow down here. Let's not get carried away about talking about Bill Belichick because he's going to be a Hall of Fame coach. Let's not get carried away about who he was a part of making a legendary player in Tom Brady, because I'm the one that made it all possible with what I did. He's searching for that validation. He's searching for that appreciation. I look at Russell Wilson and I think he's searching for the validation. I think he's still search, searching for the appreciation. He's gone to two Super Bowls, as you've mentioned. He's won one super bowl, as we've mentioned. I don't know what the 10 Pro Bowls are. I don't know if they are first, first ballot Pro Bowlers or if they're alternate Pro Bowlers, which it does. I mean, at some point, I don't know if it still matters, but at some point it mattered if you were an alternate versus if you were a starter to the Pro Bowl. So I don't know how many of those 10 are, are one or the other. But outside of that, he's never been a first team all Pro. And if you look at his body of work, if he's not as appreciated as he needs to be going into retirement or possibly ending up being a career backup for the rest of his time as, as an NFL player, is he, is he at risk of not being a Hall of Famer? And I wonder if that is what's circulating in his mind within this five year period of time. I'm in a great market. It's a really good situation to be in. I, I, I know, I know New York has struggled, but I'm, I'm kind of high on this, this Giants team this year. I think they're going to surprise some people. And if he can be the catalyst at the quarterback's position in that, that type of a season, doing it in New York is one Year enough, depending on what type of success they have, to solidify his career or does it take one? I think at this point I'll throw it out at you guys and you could take it however you, you know, where you want to take it. But I think he still needs more, more than one good season to solidify being at least a first ballot hall of Famer, let alone possibly could miss being a Hall of Famer if, if he doesn't have critical years in these last few years that he has in the league as a starter, which is.

Ian Pfaff (15:02)

Kind of crazy considering if you were to say second to last year in Seattle, all right, guys in the NFL that are, you think are going to be hall of Famers, he would have been one that I would have thought had been a Hall of Famer. But the post Seattle era has been so up and down and played out so poorly publicly that I do wonder if now the perception of him has changed from people around the league because it feels, I mean, even J.C. treader was, you know, throwing him under the bus, you know, for not, you know, not getting the contract that he was looking for and all that. It just feels like there's a. Well, when the discussion happens around Russell Wilson, it's never positive anymore. And that was never the case in Seattle until the end.

LaVar Arrington (15:42)

Until the end.

Brady Quinn (15:43)

Yeah, well, I, I felt like last year got positive. I mean, he, he came in and gave Pittsburgh a spark on offense. I know the season didn't end the way they wanted it to and he probably wasn't playing his best towards the end. But, you know, you factor in the pickings, you know, sometimes deciding he wants to be out there, maybe he doesn't. I don't know. I mean, there was a compilation I saw on social media last season. I was like, I could only imagine, like I was fortunate enough to play with so many receivers that, you know, you knew when they were upset, you knew when they wanted the ball. Maybe they weren't getting the ball either because the defense was taking them away or they weren't the number one read on a certain progression. You know, there are sometimes guys where they're just having bad days or they get too emotional about it. And you would see that from time to time. But I never had anyone who I felt like just wasn't going to participate in the play. I mean, there's times where it felt like that watching him last year, so that played a role as well. I just, I had a, I had a former head coach tell me one time when you start moving around Teams, he's like, it's really, really hard to gain traction again. And he told me this at this point when I was a backup and, you know, really, they were offering me an opportunity to come back as a backup, and I just. I wanted to take a chance to go see if I could compete to start or be in a situation where if I was a backup, I'd have a better chance of playing. Like, to me, I hated holding a clipboard. I hated sitting in meeting rooms and basically being an insurance agent. Like, that's what you are as a backup quarterback. You're the insurance policy where you go in, and all of a sudden you've got to fill in the void like a starter, not getting the preparation, not getting the practice as far as the same as a starter, but that's the expectation. And I was always like, man, this stinks. Like, I'm. I always needed reps. You know, I was slow to learn how to read when I was young. I was. I was always kind of slower to develop in that regard. So I was always someone who wanted to have, you know, more. More of an opportunity to play and to actually learn from experience. And. And I think that's the tough part for Russell Wilson is you get to this point where you can't find traction.

LaVar Arrington (17:47)

How long did it take?

Brady Quinn (17:49)

I don't know how long it took. I. I'd have to go back and talk to my mom, but I just remember, you know, her needing to take extra time. Needing to take a little extra time in school as well. But again, that was. I digress.

LaVar Arrington (18:01)

Yeah, that was me digressing. You go ahead. I'm sorry.

Brady Quinn (18:03)

Right. I think one of the things is when you get to a point, like you're saying, Jonas, with four teams in five years.

Ian Pfaff (18:10)

Yeah.

Brady Quinn (18:11)

It gets hard to find traction because everyone that's there around you hasn't experienced the success you had in Seattle. They don't know.

LaVar Arrington (18:20)

You don't have that credibility. All like.

Albert Breer (18:22)

No, no.

Brady Quinn (18:23)

I mean, think about. Think about this. Like, think about how long us three now have worked together. We worked together for years now. So we know when we see each other at super bowl, whatever, we like, we know what to expect. We know, like, even if, hey, one of us goes out with Lee, you know, Lee's a wild time. Like, we know we're still.

LaVar Arrington (18:39)

We know.

Brady Quinn (18:40)

We know with Lee, we know us three are still going to show up and perform. Now, we don't know if Lee will be there, but we know us three will show up and perform. But, like, that's not the case now. Like, he's got to build that back up. You know, he's only one chili cheese National Chili cheese dog Hot dog day away from, you know, gassing up Chris. Perfect. Who's not going to be able to produce this show anymore.

LaVar Arrington (19:02)

That man could have shown up with chip teeth. He could have been hit, ran over by a Mack truck. I mean, there were several different scenarios that could have played out where, I mean, he didn't want to show up to the one event because all of the cuts and scrapes on, on his face. I mean, it's just, it's bad Lee. It's a, it's a, it's a very stressful time to wonder if we're going to roll with Lee when it's a week long trip. That's, that's, it's a great, it's a great example and, and comparison. It's a great comp.

Ian Pfaff (19:36)

Yeah.

Albert Breer (19:37)

And then I, I step up as the DH in the. On Friday when you guys were hurting.

LaVar Arrington (19:43)

No, we weren't hurting. We, we were, we. I mean, we were tired. It was the end of the week.

Brady Quinn (19:49)

You only didn't go out because you face planted. That's why you didn't go out. Still showed up. Still showed up the next day. Yeah, but I'm saying you didn't go out that night. Like we did your nose. That's why we were hurting so bad. On Friday. You were on ir. You were in your hotel room.

LaVar Arrington (20:03)

Definitely ir. But we're a team.

Albert Breer (20:05)

Baby.

Brady Quinn (20:07)

Basketball.

Ian Pfaff (20:07)

I was trying. I was feeding him drinks Thursday night before, and he was not shocking that.

Brady Quinn (20:12)

You had to try.

Ian Pfaff (20:13)

He was shocking. He was not saying. No.

LaVar Arrington (20:15)

I'm just saying you were bold enough to actually go on the journey into, you know, downtown, into to. What's the street called? Bourbon Street.

Ian Pfaff (20:24)

Yeah.

LaVar Arrington (20:25)

You guys, I just can't believe that you would do it. Like, of all places to go with Lee where you knew it was the wrong place for him to be, Bourbon street would be tops on that list.

Ian Pfaff (20:36)

He was, he had like a three hour head start. I said, yeah, I'll go check it out. And the best part is I called Brady. And because you were like, you just like staying in the hotel.

LaVar Arrington (20:45)

I'm not leaving.

Ian Pfaff (20:46)

And I called Brady. He's like, all right, what do you think? Do you want to get dinner? I was like, I don't know. I kind of want to check out Bourbon Street. Brady's like, yeah, I'm definitely not doing that. Yeah. I'm like, okay, well, I've Never been. So I want to go check it out and I get there.

Brady Quinn (20:57)

By the way, Lee is mangled.

LaVar Arrington (20:59)

Nope.

Brady Quinn (21:00)

In my defense, this is also after a dude got killed. I'm pretty sure he got drugged and killed. Not saying that situation would play out for me, but, you know, it's not the safest place. And it's like, you know, we got one more night here, you know, why put that at risk?

Albert Breer (21:13)

Right?

LaVar Arrington (21:13)

Yeah. We were safe in the hotel, Lee.

Brady Quinn (21:16)

We were. Plus yeah. Why would I leave a good time with Lavar to go find a good time?

LaVar Arrington (21:21)

Yeah, I mean, we have a good time, we make the party. But Lee apparently has to have more. He has told me I had grenade.

Ian Pfaff (21:28)

So I went and found that hand grenade.

LaVar Arrington (21:31)

That's crazy.

Brady Quinn (21:31)

I was on assignment. I was on assignment. We did see our entire Fox crew too. Jonas, you were like leaving at the worst possible time for your professional career.

LaVar Arrington (21:40)

Yeah, there was some dead men walking and that, now that you look back on it.

Ian Pfaff (21:44)

Oh, no.

Albert Breer (21:45)

Yeah.

Brady Quinn (21:54)

What?

LaVar Arrington (21:54)

Too soon? Is it too soon?

Ian Pfaff (21:57)

It's a great point actually, now you think about it. Well, listen, lead the lap is, you know, he's like our trusty old ride. And if you're still driving your trusty old ride, keep it looking sharp with Mako. From dense to faded paint, we've got you covered. Get a free estimate today. Oh, better get Mako.

LaVar Arrington (22:15)

You said rusty ass. Rat.

Ian Pfaff (22:16)

Trusty old.

LaVar Arrington (22:19)

Thought you said rusty ass.

Ian Pfaff (22:20)

A whole nother world.

LaVar Arrington (22:21)

I mean, that would have been more fitting.

Ian Pfaff (22:23)

Coming up next here though on the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio with Lavar Arrington, Brady Quinn and Jonas Knox filling in, we are going to find out the very latest. Could we be on the verge of a blockbuster trade in the NFL? We've got it for you right here on fsr.

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Albert Breer (29:06)

What's up, guys? I can actually see you. I know it's been. Get that all worked out, like where we get. Actually patch it through. Right. But we're, we're working towards it sounds like.

Brady Quinn (29:16)

Yeah. This is unfortunate, though, Albert. Now we don't get your, your wife yelling at your kids as you. You get to the van to head up for a hockey tournament, though.

Albert Breer (29:25)

That's right. I'm not in the fort on the, on the front porch where, like, I'm at risk for like, Bluetooth picking up in the Tahoe. Yeah, yeah.

Brady Quinn (29:31)

Or the, or the dog in the background or any of the other many things that have tried to interrupt our interview with you.

Albert Breer (29:37)

We have two dogs here now, so, like, there's even more risk because we just got a puppy and he's also an Aussie. Anybody who's had one of those knows how loud they are. So. So, yeah, Archie might be making. Making a debut appearance here the next few weeks.

Brady Quinn (29:52)

Why the hell did you get an. Why did you get an Aussie?

Albert Breer (29:56)

Because that's what our first. Out here, we have. We have an Aussie. Are you getting another one? Because my wife likes to breed. It's the easy answer and I'm not going to win those arguments.

LaVar Arrington (30:04)

Is he after Archie Griffin? Was that the compromise?

Albert Breer (30:07)

That's right. Yeah.

Ian Pfaff (30:08)

Yeah. There you go.

LaVar Arrington (30:09)

Figure, figure, if that's what it was. How, how predictable.

Albert Breer (30:15)

Everybody's going to think it's after Archie Manning or if we start calling him Arch to be after Arch Manning.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, it's the real large.

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Yeah.

Albert Breer (30:25)

I will say this, though. We went from like, this wasn't on my radar two weeks ago. So now we have a puppy living here. So it shows you how much control I have over my own house.

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Joined the club.

Ian Pfaff (30:37)

Are you surprised, Albert? And obviously covering in covering the team and being around the situation for as long as you were up in the New England area. Are you surprised to see Belichick pushback the way he did on ESPN when Robert Kraft talked about the big risk he took in hiring him?

Albert Breer (30:56)

You know, the crazy thing about it is, like, the Craft said this a million times. Like, you, like there's. You could. If you Google the keywords in there, I'm sure you could find 50 times that Robert Kraft has said this, and clearly it's something that that Bill's got a problem with. Like, wait a minute. Like, you were the one that took the risk. Like, I came into a situation that was broken and had to rebuild it. Right. Like, so clearly he had a problem with it. And I find it, like, I'm not source guessing here or whatever, but I find it hard to believe that Don Van Natta was listening to, like, the Dudes on Dudes podcast and thought to call Bill. So my guess is that Bill was the one that prompted that conversation, which means that Bill felt strongly enough to reach out to a reporter on it. And Don Van Natta, of course, is the reporter who's done some of the work on some of the Discord and the Patriots organization over the last 20 years. And so picking that specific reporter to talk to, I think has context, too. So, you know, my main takeaway is Bill's got a hair across his ass about Robert. Vice versa. Like, is this becoming Jimmy Jerry? Guys?

LaVar Arrington (32:09)

It has those types. Types of characteristics.

Brady Quinn (32:12)

Oh, that's a hot topic. I like how you teed that up.

Albert Breer (32:15)

Yeah, it sort of felt like it, doesn't it? Like, I don't know. Well, it's just. It's just you accomplish so much together and you can't leave well enough alone. You know what I mean? Like, and it's interesting, too, because the third figure in all this is Tom Brady. And you know what I think is really fascinating about that? If you look at how these things come about? Well, Bill posts Tom, you know, makes the playoffs once, and the team circles the drain. Robert, Pat Post Tom is with Bill for that, then hires Gerard Mayo, fires him after a year, and has to fall in the sort of meant he was wrong about a bunch of things. And so now those two are going at it. And you got Tom sitting back, and you know why he doesn't have to say a thing? Is because he went to Tampa, made the playoffs four years in a row or three years in a row and got a ring. So, you know, it's just interesting how kind of the postscript to the. To the. To the dynasty is the one guy who had a ton of success right after is the one who can just kind of sit back and watch the other two fight.

Brady Quinn (33:22)

So. So this is why. And we talked about this a little bit earlier, and I said that I don't have a problem with Robert Kraft saying it took a risk to hire Bill Belichick, but if someone asks you what's your biggest risk? I don't know that Bill Belichick was at the top of the list. He had close to a 500 record. As far as being a head coach. Prior to that, he was already hired by another team. So clearly they were okay with that 500 record, as was Robert Kraft. And yes, they had to give up a first round pick, but it's not as if Robert Kraft was necessarily great before that point in time as an owner and drafting first round picks. So it leads me to say in your mind, was. Was this the biggest risk really Robert Kraft took? I mean, Jonas brought up ages of orchid. Orchids, Orchards of ages, whatever it's called.

Ian Pfaff (34:06)

Geez, guys, guys. Trying to blow some steam off, for God's sake.

LaVar Arrington (34:10)

Oh, my gosh.

Albert Breer (34:12)

I don't know. Well, let's move that one to the side for a minute.

LaVar Arrington (34:17)

Oh, my gosh.

Brady Quinn (34:18)

Ab, Answer the question, Ab.

LaVar Arrington (34:20)

Why doesn't aside.

Albert Breer (34:23)

Honestly. Honestly. Oh, my God.

Brady Quinn (34:25)

Say flip over? Is that what you said? Oh, my God.

Albert Breer (34:28)

Don't get me in trouble here. I don't need to be taking right now. Here's what I like, like, I would say the bigger risk. Like, I think the decision to do what he did with Bill Parcell the very beginning, as much success as they were having, like taking power away from Bill Parcells after Bill Parcells had. And I. I mean, I was a kid then growing up in this region, and Bill Parcells was like the messiah, like no one. That franchise was a laughing stock. And Bill Parcell is the one who got it, who dragged it out of the ditch and gave it credibility. So I think taking power away from. From Bill Parcells, eventually driving them away from was probably the biggest risk that Robert Kraft ever took at the time when he hired Belichick. And he's sort of in this position where he, like his, like his reputation wasn't in a great spot, so he didn't have as much to lose. Like, when he did that with Parcel, he had a lot to lose. When he made the decision to go with Bill over Brady. Right. In 2020 and the years leading up to that, that was a massive risk. He had a ton to lose. I tend to think, like, when you're assessing risk, a lot of, like, a lot of what risk is is how much do you have to lose? And I think in 1996 and in 2020, Robert Kraft had way more to lose than those decisions that he made versus, you know, where he was in the year 2000.

LaVar Arrington (36:06)

Listen, we're having the conversation as it applies to Robert Kraft and ultimately the comparisons or the back and forth between him and Belichick, how much does this put almost a target on Mike Vrabel coming in? Mike was a part of these teams as well, and maybe that's something that maybe Robert Kraft isn't thinking about, is by doing these, having these conversations, I mean, you're putting seemingly a whole lot of pressure on Mike Vrabel to have to do something with this team where they're at right now.

Albert Breer (36:46)

Yeah, it's a weird spot to be in, for sure. Like, I. I don't know. I mean, Mike would probably want to smack me in the back of the head, like, if you heard me say this. It's almost like a kid with divorced parents who are in court. You know what I mean? Like, it's just because, I mean, Mike was a player here, you know, and you can't take that context out of it. So, like, he's one of these guys, like an Edelman who had that interview with. With Kraft, and like, so many guys that went through the place that, you know, like, you're. You're gonna be asked about it. You know what I mean? Like, at some point, like, it's gonna come up, and it's. It's a topic that hovers over things that said, I think if anybody equipped to deal with it and has the right kind of approach towards these things and be Mike Grable, because I just don't say. I think Brable is the type of guy who can say, I don't give a damn about that. That's not my problem, and get away with it, you know? Like, there are a lot of people who say that you wouldn't believe him. Like, I think Mike can make that believable. So, like, I think in one sense, there's the former player, Mike, right? Like, who. Like so many of these guys, it's like two people that were so central to what was going on when you were having your greatest professional success are fighting. And it's weird to be asked questions about those two people while they're fighting. So that's the former player, Mike. But I think Mike right now would be more focused on being the coach and, you know, having that single focus, saying, like, that's not our problem to his team. Like, that's something I think that he's uniquely positioned to sell.

Ian Pfaff (38:19)

Albert Brear joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. It's two pros and a cup of Joe filling in for Dan Patrick and the guys. Is there the potential? We see any sort of crazy blockbuster trade take place with these guys looking for extensions and not able to get them done, Whether it be Hendrickson, McLaurin, TJ Watt, etc.

Albert Breer (38:38)

I just think it's too many of the cases. There's like too much mutual interest in getting something done. Like, with what? The reason you, the reason you acquire Aaron Rodgers in the first place is to serve T.J. watt, right? Like, it's to serve the core that you had in place. And so, like, what you're doing, getting Aaron Rodgers is leaning into the guys that were already there and saying, okay, we only have one or two swingers left with this group, with your TJ Watts, your Cam Hayward. So, like, how would it make sense to go out and get Aaron Rodgers and get DK Metcalf and get Jalen Ramsey and get Darius Clay and then move off the best player from the core that you're trying to serve? And if you're T.J. watt, is there a situation that you go to that would be better than the one that you're already in, or would you look at and say, this is what I've been waiting for since Ben Roethlisberger retired is having an answer like, this is the quarterback position with McLaurin, it's like, I know Terry values being like a one team guy and being a guy who wrote out Jay Gruden, Ron Rivera, the sale of the team, the nickname change, all that different stuff. And being kind of a bellwether for the entire franchise, I know he really values that. And for Dan Quinn, like, Perry represents everything they're looking for. So I say, like, in most of these situations, you're looking at it like there's too much mutual interest in getting something done. And there's a lot of cage rattling going on now, but when the deadlines come, you think they're going to get something done. The Hendrickson thing is the one that I look at and it's a little less predictable because that one's played out over multiple off seasons. And that one, there are just some moving parts as to how you pay pass rushers. And then the structure of the deal. Does he do a deal like the structured, like the one Burrow and Chase it? Does he do a deal that's structured like the one that Higgins did? There are a lot of moving parts of the Henderson one and a lot of history there that would say there's no way he's taking any sort of hometown discount. And so where does the compromise come? That would be the question.

Brady Quinn (40:47)

Albert, I want to ask you about these second round draft picks, two have signed fully guaranteed deals. There were 30 unsigned. However, it looks like Alfred Collins has decided with the 49ers to sign a deal that is not fully guaranteed. Only about 80%, give or take. A couple of questions. We don't have a ton of time left. Why now? Why has either the NFLPA or the agents who have been involved pushed for this to get these contracts fully guaranteed? And I guess furthermore, when you're looking at the Alfred Collins deal, I would assume you think the rest are probably going to follow suit. There's not going to be a lot of guys getting fully guaranteed deals. Or is there a mark in the draft where they're saying like, hey, top 50 or you know, those, all those guys will be fully guaranteed. But then after that, probably not.

Albert Breer (41:35)

I don't think I have it in front of me. I think Brady is it like he was like, I think 43rd overall. Is that right? Yeah.

Brady Quinn (41:40)

Correct. Yeah.

Albert Breer (41:42)

43. Okay. So the way this happened, so the Texans really wanted to get like a certain structure with their contract and were and wanted to get it done early with Jaden Higgins. So they agreed to do the fully guaranteed deal and then Higgins, Higgins agrees to Texan structure and so they're able to get that done early, taken care of, fully guaranteed. Then the next day, the very next day, this is two months ago, Carson Schlesinger, who is the 33rd pick, Higgins was 34. He does the deal. So now he's got a fully guaranteed deal. So you have the top two guys having fully guaranteed deal. The 35th pick is Nick Amenwuri, the South Carolina safety who went to Seattle. And like he was widely projected by a lot of people to be at least a fringe first round pick. So he's got it in his head now. His people have it in his head, well, we need to get a full year TL. And the 36th pick is Quinchon Judkins, who obviously is going through the off field stuff now. But even before that it was like, well, Nick, you just gave Carson Schlesinger three picks before me a fully guaranteed deal, so I need to get one. So now if you're looking at this and you're thinking 35 and 36 are pushing for it. If you're the agent for the 37 pick, the 38th pick, the 39 pick, you're not going to do anything until that gets done. Then you have the 40th pick, which is a quarterback. Right. The quarterback have always done deals a little bit differently. So the shock in New Orleans, does he get a fully guaranteed deal there at 40? Because if he doesn't work, fully guaranteed deal at 40 and you're 39, 38, 37, it's going to make you look bad as an agent, as a player if you don't get one. So this thing has been complicated and I think it's going to sort of hinge on what happens with Iamin worry, you know, then potentially what happens with Judkins. We'll see what happens with the Arizona guard that when Jonah Sabaya who went 37th overall, Trayvon Henderson at 38, like, I, it's just, I think it's going to have to almost have, it would almost have to be in order. Like there'd have to be that domino effect or the quarterback gets done earlier. It's, it's complicated. I do think Colin's dealing with can help with players behind him. Right. So after 43, maybe that helps move the needle on guys that were drafted behind Alfred Collins. But as far as the guys that were drafted in front of him, I still think you're kind of at that stalemate where you're waiting for either Seattle and even worry or New Orleans and Tyler stuck to get something done.

Ian Pfaff (44:14)

He is Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the mmqb. You see his work on Amazon's NFL on prime coverage. You can get him on X at Albert Brear ab. We appreciate it. Good luck with the puff and we'll talk next week.

Albert Breer (44:26)

All right, thanks, guys.

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Brady Quinn (51:15)

He'll end up joining the team and playing. I mean, deadlines do deals. We aren't at that point of the summer yet where we're getting close to the start of the season. You know, when there are 16 games, there's a sense of urgency, right? You had four preseason games. Teams would feel a bit more of a sense of urgency as you got into some of those preseason games. Now, they don't really value those quite as much. So I think with an additional regular season game, he's a rookie anyway. If there's not more progress made with Trey Hendrickson, you know, maybe there's a little more sense of urgency from the Bengals to concede and go back to the language they used previously. But I think if she Mars Stewart holds strong, which good for him and his agent for doing so for the entirety of the offseason. Bengals fans may be upset with me saying that, but I always look back at fans and say, you do the same thing, too. If you're in his shoes and you're not asking for anything different than guys who are already on the team that have been drafted in that same exact position. So this is a Bengals change, and this is something that they're trying to change moving forward, and they're trying to take advantage of Shemar Stewart and his agent to do so, which, to be quite honest, is. Is unfair. Now, I haven't looked through every new contract they've done this off season. Maybe they're trying to make this language more standard in other capacities, but I would imagine that this, this seems a bit unfair based on the precedent they have set in prior years.

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I think it's pretty simple. They, they, they get it done regardless of what, what the language ends up being. They're. They're going to settle on something again. If you look at it from the standpoint of if he sits out, he's not going to make more money coming back and petitioning to try to be able to play another season in college if, if he sits out and doesn't participate, he's not going to make more money. And, and while he won't get fined, I can't see how he would get fined because he's not an employee officially to, to the Cincinnati Bengals. He would just be basically like almost in no man's land. No man's land, so to speak, in, in what his situation is. So, and he's not making any money that way. So I just, I think the deal gets done and I think it's in the best interest of, of his representation to make sure he gets him the best deal that he can possibly get him while making sure he gets him into, into training camp and get him active on, on the team.

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Fair enough.

Brady Quinn (54:16)

Dollar tree or dollar general?

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Dang. I mean, isn't. Are both of them bad?

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Yeah, which is bad? They're. They're cheaper.

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