Hour 2 – Seton Checks In, Adam Silver

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 2: Seton Checks In, Adam Silver

Release Date: January 29, 2025
Host: Dan Patrick | Guests: Adam Silver (NBA Commissioner), Seaton O'Connor

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Introduction

In the second hour of The Dan Patrick Show, host Dan Patrick engages listeners with a compelling interview featuring Adam Silver, the Commissioner of the NBA. This episode delves into the evolving landscape of sports media, the NBA's strategic responses to changing viewer habits, and the future of basketball both on and off the court.

Media Transition and Streaming

Adam Silver opens the discussion by addressing the NBA's significant media deals secured for the next decade. These agreements extend partnerships with traditional broadcasters like Disney, ABC, and ESPN while embracing modern streaming platforms such as Comcast, Universal's Peacock, NBC, and Amazon.

Adam Silver [23:37]: "We locked in our new media deals for essentially the next decade. Staying with Disney, ABC and ESPN, moving to Comcast, Universal, Peacock in addition to being on NBC and now Amazon."

Silver emphasizes the importance of transitioning from conventional cable to streaming services, recognizing that today's younger audience prefers digital consumption over traditional television.

Adam Silver [24:00]: "The shift in live sports to streaming allows for unprecedented personalization and customization, enhancing how fans engage with the game."

Social Media Engagement

Silver highlights the transformative role of social media in increasing the NBA's global reach and fan engagement. Using the example of Victor Wembanyama, whose chess-playing venture garnered immense online attention, Silver illustrates how social platforms can amplify a player's persona beyond the court.

Adam Silver [25:00]: "Victor Wembanyama was in New York playing chess, and something like 100 million people saw that video in a week. Our viewership pales in comparison to the social media following of these players and the league."

He acknowledges that while traditional ratings might not fully capture the NBA's popularity, social media metrics reveal a robust and growing global interest.

NBA Ratings and Audience

Addressing concerns about television ratings, Silver provides a nuanced perspective. He notes that despite narratives suggesting declining viewership due to factors like increased three-point shooting, the NBA's actual ratings remain strong.

Adam Silver [31:46]: "The ratings are fine. We're roughly even with last season for the regular season, which was the highest ratings for a regular season in four years."

Silver also points out that when considering additional engagement metrics like game attendance and social media interactions, the NBA's popularity is at an all-time high.

Adam Silver [32:00]: "Our attendance last season was the highest in the history of the league, and our social media following is over 2 billion globally."

Potential Rule Changes and Game Dynamics

The conversation shifts to potential modifications in NBA rules to enhance the game's appeal and adapt to modern viewing preferences. Silver considers ideas such as reducing game length by implementing 10-minute quarters, thereby shortening the game to 40 minutes total.

Adam Silver [38:17]: "Potentially two free throws for a foul and a three-point shot is something interesting. I'm also a fan of four 10-minute quarters to make the game more consistent with modern television habits."

However, Silver remains cautious about making drastic changes, emphasizing the importance of preserving the game's integrity while exploring innovations that can improve viewer experience.

Adam Silver [42:00]: "The game is incredible right now, and I don't necessarily buy into the premise that it would be better if you eliminated three-point shooting."

NCAA Relations and Player Development

Silver discusses the NBA's collaborative efforts with the NCAA, particularly in the context of Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) rights and athlete collectives. He underscores the mutual benefits of fostering youth basketball and enhancing player development pathways.

Adam Silver [34:21]: "The NCAA is a great friend. We're working together on NIL and collectives to better involve and develop youth basketball."

Silver expresses support for players opting for collegiate careers over the G League, highlighting the superior training facilities and coaching available in college programs.

Adam Silver [36:26]: "I'm perfectly fine with them going to college. Our economic model with the G League doesn't offer the same development opportunities as college programs."

Future of NBA Engagement

Looking ahead, Silver envisions leveraging technology and media to make the NBA more accessible and engaging. This includes enhancing live streaming functionalities, integrating interactive features, and utilizing social media to educate and involve fans more deeply in the game.

Adam Silver [30:00]: "Our job is to find more people who are inclined to want to watch live sports and convert them into NBA fans by using social media to create more engagement."

Conclusion

The interview wraps up with Silver reiterating the NBA's commitment to evolving with the times while maintaining the sport's core values. He emphasizes the league's focus on teaching the game better, celebrating its global appeal, and ensuring that basketball remains a beloved sport for generations to come.

Adam Silver [43:40]: "The NBA is the only league that plays 48 minutes, and we're open to changes that align with modern viewing habits without compromising the game's essence."

Dan Patrick concludes the segment by expressing his appreciation for Silver's insights, highlighting the NBA's proactive strategies in a rapidly changing media environment.

Notable Quotes

• Adam Silver [23:37]: "We locked in our new media deals for essentially the next decade."
• Adam Silver [25:00]: "Victor Wembanyama was in New York playing chess, and something like 100 million people saw that video in a week."
• Adam Silver [31:46]: "The ratings are fine. We're roughly even with last season for the regular season."
• Adam Silver [38:17]: "Potentially two free throws for a foul and a three-point shot is something interesting."
• Adam Silver [34:21]: "The NCAA is a great friend. We're working together on NIL and collectives."

Final Thoughts

This episode offers a deep dive into the NBA's strategic adaptations in the face of evolving media consumption trends. Adam Silver's candid discussions provide valuable insights into the league's future directions, emphasizing innovation, collaboration, and a steadfast commitment to enhancing fan engagement worldwide.

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Transcript

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You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports radio. It's hour two on this Wednesday. The NBA commissioner, Adam Silver will stop by in about 20 minutes from now. We'll hear from Seaton on the road in North Carolina coming up in about five minutes from now. Gang's here. Minister of Humor Fritzi Dylan in Seaton's chair. Marvin is here. Paulie and yours truly in the back room. Guys, we have a new poll question for hour two. We'll have that for you. Coming up, two of last year's Premier League title contenders go head to head once again after a draw at the beginning of the season. A must win for Arsenal and Man City. Catch the showdown in North London live Sunday at 11:30am Eastern, exclusively on Peacock, which is where you can see this show Monday through Friday, all three hours. And you can dial us up as well. 877 3DP. Show operator Tyler sitting by. Take your phone calls there. Say good morning to all of our radio affiliates around the country. All right, poll question for hour two is going to be. All right then. This is courtesy of Paul. Okay. NFL career. You'd rather have 12 seasons, six times Pro Bowler, never an all pro, retired by choice or six seasons, six times all pro and retire early due to injury. Sort of the Pro bowl, all pro debate. Yeah, we gotta fix the pro ball. I mean, not the festivities. I can't fix that. That's not fixable. But the designation, we keep saying we have to add a. The scarlet letter, Pro bowl alternate. Alternate here. Yes, Todd.

[Dan Patrick]

As long as it wasn't a life altering injury.

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I think I would take that second one. Six times, six all pros. And unfortunately you had a ballot early.

[Dan Patrick]

Because of injury and not because you decided you didn't want to play anymore.

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Yes, that's the right answer. Yeah.

[Lowe's]

Paul, a lot of people I think will lean towards the longer, very goodish career than the awesome six year career.

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Okay, you want to reveal those players?

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I don't have any names, actually.

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Oh, you don't?

[Lowe's]

But like a. Patrick Willis is a good example. The linebacker, I think he was.

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Oh, I thought you were basing this off.

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Oh, it's not. Whose stats would you want?

[T-Mobile]

Oh, oh, okay.

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It's more of a hypothetical long, really good career or unbelievable short career.

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Okay. Would you rather be Frank Gore or Terrell Davis?

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There you go.

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How about that classic? How about that? Would you rather be Curtis Martin or Terrell Davis or Gail Sayres. I'm going to take trail Davis and Gail Sears. Now, Curtis Martin's hall of Famer Frank Gore got 15,000 yards, doesn't he? Guessing he's going to be a hall of Famer. Played a little too long, I think. You think? Wow, buddy, I'm glad he played a little longer for this question. I mean he's prime example there of what you want with candidate A. Candidate B. Yes.

[Lowe's]

Paul Frank or is perfect for this. He made five Pro Bowls, never went over 1300 yards in any of those seasons.

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And how many yards did he end up in his career? 15,000.

[Lowe's]

16,000 on the nose? God, I think that's third all time. Is that not third all time?

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I think it's second all time.

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I think sweetness is 16, 726 ish. And then M I nervized everything.

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Yeah, I like how you act like you're like. I think WALTER Payton had 16,127 yards.

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There's nothing I don't know.

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Yes, yes, Todd all compiler instead of all probably. Did Walter Payton have that many yards? Dang.

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Be easy. He should have had 30,000.

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He should.

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Of course, for that strike year.

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Of course he should. Touchdown in the Super Bowl. Yes. Oh, oh, no. Easy, easy. Don't get Paul riled up.

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You make fun of my family.

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Yeah, but not Walter Payton. Yes. So Frank Gore is the Raphael Palmero of the NFL without steroids. Oh, I don't know. That And Viagra.

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How to swing a bat.

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Thank you, Todd. It's too easy.

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It writes itself.

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So you got Emmett at what, 18,000? Yeah.

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Emmett Smith is the all time rushing leader at 18, 355. Walter 16, 726. Nailed it.

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Dang, Frank.

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Or at 16,000, Barry Sanders 15, 2:50ish. The next closest active player, Derek Henry at 11, 5.

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Okay, all right. Yeah, I, I, Barry Sanders would have been the all time record holder if he won two. He just was like, nah, I don't play anymore. Imagine your franchise is so bad that two first ballot hall of famers decided not to continue to play. Calvin Johnson and Barry Sanders. Oh, look who's there. Oh, look at that face. Seat no counter. Don't get too close with the camera there. Yo, Seaton on the road. What is the. What is the location?

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We're in Greensboro, North Carolina, right now. I'm with my guy, Phil Collins.

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Okay. The highlight so far has been.

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After Greensboro, we're going to Charlotte for a quick stop there. Then we're going to Greenville, South Carolina. And then maybe, if we have enough time, on to Atlanta.

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You're still on target for Friday in New Orleans.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. We should make New Orleans on Friday. Yeah, that's the plan. But then we got to stop in Birmingham, Gulfport, a couple other places.

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All right. See you guys at Seaton. O'Connor on the road, courtesy of Mako the great folks there, our new partner on the road to New Orleans in time for the Super Bowl. A couple of phone calls in here. The Saints are still looking for a coach. It looks like that's going to be Kellen Moore. When other names have taken their name out of the hopper, that usually means that they're being told they're not going to be the next head coach. Does Mike McCarthy get in the media for a year? I don't know how he'd be on tv. He doesn't strike me as, you know, charismatic. I mean, he's not Rex Ryan, but I don't know if you get him in a lab and let him, you know, dissect things and maybe he could be, you know, he could have a coming out party. We were like, man, where's this been? Yes, Paulie, you know what the interesting.

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Thing or challenging thing or Mike McCarthy would be? We and other people would want to ask him questions about dealing with everything that is being the Cowboys coach. And if you remember, when Jason Garrett started doing this, he was hesitant to give you details about Jerry Jones because he wanted another job. And you got to keep things in house if you're a possible NFL coach.

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Well, he would say, oh, you always ask me these questions. I'm like, yes, that's my job. Yes, Marvin. But could you imagine Mike McCarthy doing X's and O's plays and Cowboys fans going, where was this when you were the Cowboys head coach? Yes, Todd, you throw him in the booth for a Cardinals Titans game just to give it a shot and see what you got? No, I don't. I don't think I want him calling a game. I think he'd have to be set up in a studio where you're going to him for something really specific. Maybe we could have Mike on. Maybe I could ask him if he wants to join us towards the draft or, by the way, the Senior Bowl. They're doing measurables at the Senior Bowl. Is the Senior bowl the combine before the combine? Is it pre combine? All measurements? They're kind of taking away the thunder from the combine. Jaylen Milro, small hands. Marvin, you should have broke that story. I thought we were over this. No, never. Are you in a. A small hands support group?

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Little cups of coffee in the waiting room?

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Just Espresso. Yeah. I need to be around here. Oh, for sure. Oh, my God. I can't believe one day at 6:30 in the morning, measuring hands turned into this. I know. I didn't know what was going on when Ray said, oh, we got to measure everybody's hands. And then all of a sudden, the big reveal, and Seaton goes, I know I have the smallest hands. And when we read the results, and it was like, the smallest hands. Marvin. Oh, greatest day, aside from Seaton's son being born and getting married, was that day. Yes. Mark, we need a poll question, because I'm not sure if that's the right answer. His hands being bigger than mine might be up there. It's. It might be bigger than when he got married. Yes, it might be. It might be second on that list. I've never seen a smile like that. It's like, yes, I don't have the smallest hands. Jason Utah. Hi, Jace. What's on your mind?

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I like that.

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All the way up till the end. Yes. Yes. By the way, people are wondering about my sweatshirt, my hoodie. This is a gift from Adam Sandler that I got yesterday. So it's a Happy Gilmore sweatshirt, but it's a double X. And Sandman likes to wear things baggy, but I don't. But Sandman's weight fluctuates a little bit. I'm being kind here, but, yeah, this is. I mean, this body. I mean, it's meant to be seen with this. It's just baggy.

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You're swimming in that thing.

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Yeah. It's like putting baggy clothes on Emily Rata Kowski or whatever her name is. Ratatouille. That's a good comp you came up.

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With there on the fly.

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Thank you, Tom, you and Emily. Thank you, Ryan in North Carolina. Hi, Ryan. Who wants Dan Patrick to retire in three years? Nobody. Oh, I was gonna say everybody. I wanted to just thank you guys for the last two years. You've really helped me through a tough time in my life.

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This show has been an awesome, healthy distraction for Me.

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And I love every minute of it. And. And it's just been great. Wanted to give y'all a recommendation for sushi in New Orleans.

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My cousin and a guy I grew.

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Up with in New Orleans owns and.

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Runs a sushi restaurant called Rockin Sake.

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And if you give me some heads up, I'm sure he would put together an anti mayonnaise pesto sushi roll for you, Dan. I'm a fellow mayonnaise hater.

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He knows that.

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And so I've been there a bunch of times and he always whips up something without. Without the aioli and no mayonnaise and things like that. All right, well, I'll have Tyler take your. Your phone number there, Ryan, maybe I'm. I'm taking the Dan ants out on Sunday. I'm still looking for a restaurant on Sunday. This is the big get together before we start our super bowl week. And we're going out early. 5:00 dinner. Just let you know.

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The cool kids go to the 5:00.

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Yeah, 5:00 dinner. That's when we start.

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Yes, Paul, we are trying to find a restaurant. There was a big meeting with the big German and I yesterday about this. It's hard to get a table for 12. I know we can get six and six, but then who's at the big kids table? Who's at the.

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You know, I think that we would just draw names out of a hat. I would. I would say, all right, here's six at this table. Here's six at this table. As long as Fritz. He's not at my table, I'm good.

[Dan Patrick]

Sounds delicious.

[T-Mobile]

Oh, my God. I can't be next to you when you're eating. I can't. I've been practicing trying to eat with my mouth closed.

[Dan Patrick]

It's very difficult.

[T-Mobile]

Yes. Marvin, is Dylan with us Sunday night? Dylan? Yeah. Okay. What do you mean? Oh, this is the. The entire team. Well, brgs as well. Oh, yeah. I wasn't sure if it was just Danettes. I was going to ask if I made the cut after one week for dinner. How about you stay for appetizers? Wow, that's perfect. I'm kind of an apps guy anyways. Looks like you don't miss too many of them. I. I hit them all. You do? Yeah. Everybody. Everybody who's there in New Orleans working on the show. We're going to go out to dinner together. We just need to find a place that will seat 12 at 5:00. 5:00 shouldn't be the hard thing, but to get. I don't want a table of 12, just two tables of six. Be the early bird special crowd. Yes. And us, we're gonna get there when they open. But there's so many restaurants there. Like, it's. It's hard to find a restaurant that's not good in New Orleans. All right, we'll take a break. We'll get some more phone calls coming up. And let's see. We'll update the poll results. The commissioner of the NBA is going to join us. And that will take place next. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Hey, it's Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. And, of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture, stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich.

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[T-Mobile]

He's the commissioner of the NBA for the last 11 years. Adam Silver joining us on the program. Hi, Commissioner. How are you?

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I'm good, Dan. I, I need some more stuff on my desk.

[T-Mobile]

What happened?

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It's clean. I, I like all the stuff you got there, though.

[T-Mobile]

Well, you got some poll with teams. Why don't you just have a little Chotchkis, Gary, you get bobblehead dolls up there.

[Dan Patrick]

I've got him. I just, I put paper on my desk. We have different jobs.

[T-Mobile]

What is the coolest thing in your office?

[Dan Patrick]

I have one of Shaq's shoes that looks like a snow boot and you could use it as a planner.

[T-Mobile]

Well, I have one too. His Reebok shoe.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. It wasn't. It was the brand that he created after re. I think it was like Dunk Man, I think was the brand.

[T-Mobile]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

And, and it's enormous. It looks, it doesn't look real.

[T-Mobile]

Well, he only gave me one. I don't know why. He only gives out one shoe.

[Dan Patrick]

He gave me the other. I only have one. You have the left and right.

[T-Mobile]

I, I think I have the left one, but I, I get the right.

[Dan Patrick]

He, he split the pair between us.

[T-Mobile]

I got Tim Duncan shoes from when they won the NBA title against the Knicks. And he said, I'll give you my shoes if you tell me who's the number one sports century athlete. They just win the NBA championship. He comes in, I'm doing SportsCenter, he's got his shoes, and he writes to DP Tim Duncan. And then he said, all right, who's number one on the list? And I, I, nobody knew because we had that countdown. I said, it's Jordan and He said, all right, here's your shoes. So I got Tim Duncan shoes after the NBA Finals. Did you get any Jordan stuff when you were with, you know, Commissioner Stern?

[Dan Patrick]

No. I mean, only because it wouldn't have been appropriate. I mean, I guess I was around a lot of Jordan stuff, but I, I, I wasn't a collector. I don't think it would be appropriate.

[T-Mobile]

Well, when you weren't the commissioner, you could have said, hey, it'd be nice to get a pair of Mike shoes.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I bought a lot of Jordan shoes over the years.

[T-Mobile]

Yeah, well, I, I talked to. Who is it? Tim. Who's the Tim? The Tim? No, no, Tim who was the Bulls PR guy? Tim. Tim Hallam.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, Tim.

[T-Mobile]

How he would get Jordan shoes after every NBA Finals, every title. He, Mike would take off the shoes and autograph them and hand them to him after every one. I don't know if he sold those things, but those things gotta be worth, because they're championship worn NBA shoes by Mike. They gotta be worth a whole lot of money.

[Dan Patrick]

And think about the business Mike created as a division of Nike, the Jordan brand. I mean it's, you know, it's a multi billion dollar business at this point. I mean how many, think about how many athletes have retained. Oh yeah, that kind of notoriety, you know, this many decades post playing career. And it's, I mean he's, he's an amazing guy obviously and, and still a small owner in the league in Charlotte. But my, you know, post his playing career, I mean I knew him a bit over the years but you know, post playing career we got to be really close and he was obviously one of my bosses for the first several years. I was the commissioner and still amazing person.

[T-Mobile]

Give me the list here. Like what, what's top on your list here of what needs to be addressed with the NBA?

[Dan Patrick]

I think top on my list is the transition we're going through in media now. I mean we, we locked in our new media deals for essentially the next decade. Staying with Disney, ABC and espn, moving to Comcast, Universal, Peacock in addition to being on NBC and now Amazon. But I think more interesting in a way is not just moving from one partner to another, but the shift in live sports to streaming. And I think where as most fans see it now, and maybe even a little bit of a pain that they got a switch off their box, whatever else and then find the app or however they have to do it from a programming standpoint, it's still they're finding what in essence looks like the same game. It's just streamed, other than being on broadcast or conventional cable. What's really fascinating to me is all the functionality that sort of Internet TV will allow through streaming, all the personalization, the customization that will come, all the new types of information you can present to fans as they're watching games. You know, all that optionality, I think, I mean, you know, when we first met, I was at NBA Entertainment and sort of, sort of began my career on the production side. And I think it's at this moment we can redefine how we present the game to fans and also make it a lot more convenient. I mean, in our new deals, every game will be streamed and we have a very young audience. You know, they're watching more screen time than ever before, but not traditional television. And I think our ability to bring those games directly to them and in ways they want to consume them, I'll add to that as well. I think using social media to engage fans, I mean, not just to interest them. I mean, like example talked about recently, Victor Wembanyama was in New York on Christmas Day and then was around for two more days because then he played in Brooklyn two days later and he's a chess player and he went to Washington Square Park. I'm sure you saw that clip. Something like 100 million people in a week saw video of him playing chess in Washington Square Park. And our viewership, which is fine, pales though in comparison to the social media following of these players and the league. That number, you know, on a global basis is over 2 billion. And I think sort of my job is to get more basketball lovers to watch the NBA and watch it longer. And I think there's an opportunity to use social media to create more engagement and not just to show how multifaceted Wemby is and he loves to play chess, but to teach people about the game, to celebrate the game, to demonstrate why I know you were a college basketball player, I know you love the game, like why this is such an incredible game and help people better understand what they're watching, understand the finer points of the game, and fair to be critical of it at times too, and you know, should there be less three point shooting, et cetera, I mean that's something we're very focused on. But when I day in and day out, you know, and I have all the various streaming services and have all different programming available to me, I don't think it's an accident that people are increasingly gravitating towards premium live sports, not just basketball, but obviously football, hockey, baseball, Et cetera, WNBA now, I think, because people crave something that's live, something that's, you know, unscripted, something that can be entertaining as well. And I think the basketball and the NBA can be all those things. But we also. Our job has become that much harder because we're competing against so many different forms of entertainment. It's podcasts and social media and unlimited numbers of channels and programming. And so we have to up our game too, to make sure that we're finding ways to engage viewers and again, to teach people about the game. And that's been one of my frustrations. I think that. And don't blame the broadcasters. And it's hard. You broadcast a lot of basketball that the game's moving so quickly. You don't have the space that you might have in football or in baseball to be talking more about what's unfolding before you.

[T-Mobile]

But what bothers you more, the ratings or the coverage of the ratings?

[Dan Patrick]

The ratings are fine. I mean, we're, we're roughly even with last season for the regular season, which was the highest ratings for a regular season in four years. There is, I get it, there was a narrative early in the season. We were down a bit. I, you know, it's. You've been covering the league for a long time. I mean, it seems that there's always a narrative around our sport. You know, too physical, too much isolation, scoring too low, you know, super teams, player empowerment. I mean, I could go on and on. And then the narrative early in the season became the ratings are down because of three point shooting. I think those are two independent issues the ratings are now about, even with last year. And as I said, you know, if you look more broadly at other measures of engagement, our attendance last season was the highest in the history of the league. You can't look at social media over too long a spectrum because it didn't exist. But if you. But when you add in social media, the game has never been more popular in terms of the engagement. So do I get frustrated around the narrative around ratings? Yes. Especially when, because of the decline in traditional television, decline in cable homes, everyone's down a bit. So, you know, plus we entered into our new deals for the next decade, so I feel good about that. But I think those narratives become a reality to the extent, especially even when we're doing well, it's still only a significant, a relatively small percentage of the population that's watching live games. So there's a lot of people out there, there who may not be fans of the NBA and become consumed with that story. And again, NBA seems to take a disproportionate amount of that discussion. I think maybe because we're so relevant from a societal standpoint, our players have been outspoken. There's been a history of activism, certain cases in this league. For whatever those reasons, I think at the end of the day, my job is to find more people who are inclined to want to watch live sports, to want to watch basketball, and convert them into NBA fans.

[T-Mobile]

All right, let me. Let me.

[Dan Patrick]

I don't want to lose sight of that.

[T-Mobile]

Let me do rapid fire because there's a few topics here. The nil ruling has made college basketball more of an attractive path for athletes in recent years. I don't know if that changes allowing players out of high school, that you will revisit that. But what is. Is the NCAA a friend or a foe to the NBA?

[Dan Patrick]

NCAA is a great friend. In fact, Charlie Baker, who's the former governor of Massachusetts, I've gotten to know well over the last couple of years, we're talking about more that we can do together. I mean, you remember in the not so old days, if we touched a amateur, you know, high school player, we could cause them to lose their eligibility. Now, of course, you know, through collectives and nil, they're paid. And what we've been talking the NCAA about is we should jointly get more involved in youth basketball, particularly the training of elite players. The vast majority of them will never make it to the NBA, but will play in college. And so we have a joint interest not in developing elite players. And then for the broader base of players we have a joint interest in, for young boys and of course, young girls, getting them to be more active. You know, basketball is a great sport to do that, getting them again to love the game. Charlie Baker himself was. Was a college player. So we're working together, I think, on the. Specifically on nil and collectives. I think there's work to be done in college basketball because just like in the NBA, where over successive collective bargaining agreements, we've helped to level the playing field in terms of competition. We've had six different teams win championships over the last six years. At the end of the day, we're selling competition. And I think college has to work through some issues where now as players, in essence, through the portal, can become essentially free agents every year, that there's no real salary structure. So you have a lot of real, you know, out of whack balance in terms of team's ability to compete. And I think for fans of the college game. And I'm one of them. At the end of the day, you want to see great competition in division one.

[T-Mobile]

But will you revisit like the G League, you got players who are just going to the G League. If you allowed them to come out of high school to the NBA, they wouldn't be going to the G League, I would imagine.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, yes, but in fact, back before those court rulings which allowed the collectives in nil, at the urging of Condoleezza Rice, who oversaw a commission with the NCAA and President Obama, to a certain extent, we were asked to create a professional track because the view was it was unfair to so called force these young men to go to college for a year before they came into the NBA. So we weren't ready to return to 18 as the, as the minimum age in the NBA. We stayed at 19. But through the G League, we created something called team Ignite where we were paying players several hundred thousand dollars a year on a pro track and then could come into the NBA. That seems like a pittance now based on what players are able to earn in Division 1 through these college programs. And frankly, I think the track through these great college programs is better than what we are offering them in the G League because they have first class training facilities, some of the greatest coaches out there, planes, etc. That didn't make sense in our economic model and still doesn't for the G League. So I'm perfectly fine with them going to college. And by the way, you know, what you've also seen with nil and collective money is there's a big pool of international players who would have stayed largely in Europe and played, but are now coming to play Division 1 basketball because it's a better economic situation for them and ultimately a bet probably better development too if their goal is to get into the NBA.

[T-Mobile]

All right, give me, give me the wildest thing that you guys have considered. I'm sure there's always, you know, we're going to try this. You know, the NFL doing the kickoff the way they did. It's pretty crazy that that's what it looks like. Give me a. This has been discussed.

[Dan Patrick]

I mean, one that's only been discussed a little. I wouldn't put it necessarily in the category of being so wild is potentially two free throws for a foul and a three point shot. That's. I don't necessarily think I would do it in the last two minutes of the game, but I think that's something interesting. Something else that I'm a fan of and I'm probably in a minority as we get more involved in Global Basketball. The NBA is the only league that plays 48 minutes and I would be, I am a fan of four 10 minute quarters. I not sure that many others are. I mean putting aside what it means for records and things like that, I think that a two hour format for a game is more consistent with sort of modern television habits. I don't think people in arenas aren't asking us to shorten the game, but I think as a television program being two hours, it's Olympic basketball is being two is two hours. You know, college basketball courses.

[T-Mobile]

Yeah, but if you like it, I'd say it has kind of a little bit of a push there.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but it's such a dramatic change to the game. I mean, I think something like that would have to be talked more about over time. I mean incidentally.

[T-Mobile]

But the pitch clock was dramatic, Commissioner.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, no, I get it. And I don't know if I'm a fan of what baseball did. I'm a baseball fan and I think some of those changes have really increased sort of the engagement, the entertainment value of the game. And so I'm paying a lot of attention to that. And in fact I've used the pitch clock, the sort of the increasing the size of the base, etc. In meetings at the NBA to say, you know, if baseball, which is more locked into tradition, and I don't mean that negatively than any other sport, part of what baseball provides is the tradition, the legacy that if they're able to make those changes, certainly we shouldn't be afraid to look at changes as well. So you know, I also think though we have made a series of changes over the years, they haven't been as dramatic in many cases. You know, we've changed the format in the last two minutes of the game so we wouldn't have as many stoppages. We have a coaches challenge now. You know, we had the hacker Shack issue, we changed the rule there. I mean there's this. We added the cup, you know, which we now have. We have a play in tournament. I mean, so we've made significant changes.

[T-Mobile]

I have an idea, I have an idea. Before I let you go, how about we take away the three point line during the inseason tournament?

[Dan Patrick]

Interesting. I mean it's, it's like the issue there.

[T-Mobile]

Wait, wait, that wasn't interesting.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm not like, I like the three point shot. I mean, let me take a step back. I mean if you think from when you first started covering the NBA to the skill level of big men now. I mean, look at Victor Wembanyama. Look at Giannis, you know, look, look at Jokic. Look what these guys can do. You know, it was, it was like the fact that they are so skillful that they can shoot from these kinds of distances, shoot in the way guards used to be able to. Like, is there too much three point shooting in certain situations? Maybe. But I also don't want to overreact to what we're seeing in the game because the game goes through transitions. I think the game is incredible right now, day in, day out. I think some of the criticism is a bit unfair. And that goes back to my earlier point that I think the league needs to do a better job teaching about the game so that there's real appreciation for what people are seeing out there. And again, ratings are fine. We have enormous global interest. People like what they're seeing right now on the floor. So I don't necessarily buy into the premise that it'll be a better game if you, if you eliminated three point shooting.

[T-Mobile]

How about we make the, the, the floor like a pinball machine where the three point line lights up and when it lights up then you know you're able to take threes. Like you could, you could really dress up the floor. You guys did a pretty good job of the end season. But why don't we make it pinball?

[Dan Patrick]

Like, I don't know if you remember, but last year at All Star, on All Star Saturday night, we had literally a lit court.

[T-Mobile]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

And we played with things like that. I mean, I like, I have one foot in sort of the traditionalist camp, you know. And I really do care about the game and I think it's so special that I think when you move to that place that, where it seems too gimmicky and I don't think, and I think what baseball did, they found right down the middle path where they preserved what's so great about that game but found some ways to speed it up, I think have been very effective. So we're open here. We talk a lot about potential change of the game. I just add back to some notion of a 40 point of a 40 minute game. I mean, because this game is so global, one of the things we'd like to see over time is creating a more consistent set of rules globally around the game. Like, you know, again, the Olympic basketball, I'm sure you watched, you know, on NBC and Peacock, the U.S. serbia, U.S. france. Those are people who are basketball fans. Some are saying those are two of the best games they ever saw. Incidentally, if you went to a 40 minute game with the issues around load management and resting, it would be the equivalent of, I don't know, the exact Math, taking like 15 games off the season.

[T-Mobile]

I like that.

[Dan Patrick]

So, so. And I don't think most fans would be disappointed if it was a two hour presentation instead of a. You know, our game is actually about two, two hours and 15 minutes.

[T-Mobile]

Well, you're going to find out the reaction the rest of the day as this gets posted that you're considering 10 minute quarters. I gotta go.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I, I didn't fully say. You asked me for some ideas. I'm not quite at that level.

[T-Mobile]

I'm not saying there's a vote this week, Commissioner. I'm just saying social media will look at this and go, hey, that sounds great. Now we got guys playing more. Maybe the games are more intense and it's 40 minute games and it's great for TV. Great for everybody. For another day. For another day. I have to go.

[Dan Patrick]

Muriel's in Jackson Square in New Orleans.

[T-Mobile]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Muriel's. I'm not sure, in all due respect to your caller, I would go to, I'd go to New Orleans for sushi.

[T-Mobile]

Can I drop your name at Muriel's?

[Dan Patrick]

I'm not sure it'll be helpful, but absolutely.

[T-Mobile]

Do you have an open tab at that restaurant?

[Dan Patrick]

I will if you go.

[T-Mobile]

Okay. Awesome. But I'm not going alone. I'm bringing my whole team here. Yes. The Danettes are going with me.

[Dan Patrick]

Long time listener.

[T-Mobile]

Great to catch up with you again. Thank you, Commissioner.

[Dan Patrick]

Yep. Bye. Bye.

[T-Mobile]

That's Commissioner Adam Silver. We'll take a break, back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app.

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There was something sentimental when you, when, when you send it, you, it's like, do I send the heart now?

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[Dan Patrick]

Time to remind them.

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[T-Mobile]

I let the interview get away from me with the commissioner. I let him talk a little too much. It happened so. Damn. I just don't, I don't like cutting people off and, but I'm trying to guide you to a variety of topics. And it took a while because look, he's coming on, he wants to, he wants to promote something. I get it. It's, there's a quid pro quo and I'm gonna rough myself up over this interview. But I thought we got something at the very end with, imagine if you did 10 minute quarters, 40 minute games, not 48. And if you're going to be reducing the amount of games, like you take all those minutes, he said, you know, it's like 15 games now. You're still going to play all the games. Maybe you'll get players to play maybe a more intense game. And I don't know if there's any downside because if you're going to make it a two hour window that you're going to have a game and you're going to do 10 minute quarters. So it's 40 minutes. You're still getting the number of games, 82 games in there. You know, unless there's commercial inventory that you're going to lose a lot of revenue there. I could see, because that's the European model. It's, you know, 10 minute quarters. It's 40 minutes. I don't know if we would complain. I don't know if we would really notice it. Yes. Marvin, do you think the players would object because of maybe points and rebounds, just stats in general? Well, I don't know if that's attached to incentives, but I don't think there, there's no stats that we care about. I mean, what stat in the NBA do you care about? Triple doubles, maybe average in 30 or. I don't know. Yeah, Mark. Yeah, just from a historical perspective, like, oh, you only average 26 points a game instead of 32 points a game. Oh, well, there was only 40 minute, you know, games when I was playing, as opposed to 48 minutes. How many times do we bring up the number of games that were in an NFL season? You know, O.J. simpson, still this single season rushing leader. He did his in 14 games, but nobody brings that up. I, I, I don't think we care about stats anymore because we've been fooled by stats. Certainly with baseball, I just don't think it's that important. Basketball, what stat do you really care about? I just meant for the players. When it's like contract negotiating time or just from a historical perspective. I don't know. Yeah, I don't, I wouldn't worry about that if I'm the NBA. But, you know, if you're going to have stats, do you have incentive clauses, bonuses in your contract? Then I can understand where that would be an issue. All right, two hours in the books. One more to go. Fritzi, Dylan, Marvin, Paulie, yours truly.

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Here at Life Kit, NPR's Self Help podcast, we love the idea of helping you make meaningful lifestyle changes. Our policy is to never be too punishing on yourself or too grand in your goals, which is why we've got shows on how to make little nudges to your behavior and create habits that stick. Listen to the Life kit podcast on iHeartradio.

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