Hour 2 - The Masters, Brandel Chamblee

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show: Hour 2 - The Masters with Brandel Chamblee

Release Date: April 11, 2025

Introduction

In the second hour of The Dan Patrick Show, host Dan Patrick delves deep into the excitement surrounding The Masters golf tournament, accompanied by esteemed guest and Golf Channel lead studio analyst, Brandel "Brando" Chamblee. This episode offers listeners an in-depth analysis of player performances, course strategies, and the intricate dynamics that make Augusta National a premier golfing event.

Justin Rose's Stellar Start

The conversation kicks off with a spotlight on Justin Rose's impressive performance in the first round of The Masters. Rose set a personal best by shooting a seven-under 65, securing a three-shot lead. Brando highlights, “[00:45] Brando Chamblee: Justin Rose... he matched a personal best seven under 65. So he's got a three shot lead after the first round. That breaks a record held by Jack Nicklaus.”

This achievement marks the fifth instance Rose has led after the first day at Augusta, a testament to his consistency and mastery of the course. Previously, his best finish stood at a tie for fifth place, underscoring the significance of his current form.

Scotty Scheffler's Dominance and Strategy

A focal point of the discussion is Scotty Scheffler, who enters the tournament with a notable advantage. Brando elaborates on Scheffler's comprehensive skill set, stating, “[26:07] Brando Chamblee: What makes Scotty great is not any one thing. It's like what makes any great athlete. It's not any one thing. It's just a number of things. He's long, he's straight, great irons, great chipper, and he's very judicious.”

Scheffler's three-shot lead is attributed to his balanced approach, combining power with precision. His ability to navigate Augusta's challenging greens and avoid pitfalls sets him apart from his competitors. Brando emphasizes Scheffler's methodical nature, which minimizes the likelihood of significant errors: “[32:51] Brando Chamblee: ...Scotty Scheffler... he's not a swing tinkerer... he's got such a well-balanced family life. I just can't see him jumping to live. I can't see him jumping to swing teachers. I can't see him trying to transform his body and getting injured and all of those things.”

Rory's Struggles and Inconsistencies

Rory McIlroy's performance has been a point of contention. Despite moments of brilliance, Rory has faced challenges, including double bogeys on holes 15 and 17. Brando provides insight into Rory's inconsistent play: “[28:34] Brando Chamblee: Rory tends to play his best golf when he's kind of out of it.”

This inconsistency has raised questions about Rory's ability to maintain his performance under pressure. Dan and Brando explore whether Rory's double bogeys could jeopardize his standing, with Brando expressing skepticism about Rory overcoming a four-shot deficit: “[28:34] Brando Chamblee: ...not sure he can make up four shots over three days.”

Bryson DeChambeau's Aggressive Approach

Bryson DeChambeau's aggressive driving has been both a strength and a potential liability. With drives averaging 350 yards, Brando discusses the advantage and risks associated with his power-hitting style: “[34:18] Brando Chamblee: Bryson DeChambeau is hitting drives of 350 yards. That's what Rory does, too. That's a long way.”

While DeChambeau's distance can provide significant ground coverage, it also demands precise placement to avoid hazards. Brando notes that despite the risks, DeChambeau remains a formidable contender: “[35:19] Brando Chamblee: ...he's like Hogan. He really is... relentless in his pursuit of perfection, but then when he gets on the golf course, he plays with absolute reckless abandon.”

Fred Couples at 65: A Testament to Course Knowledge

Fred Couples' participation at 65 years old underscores the importance of course knowledge and experience at Augusta National. Brando discusses how age and familiarity with the course contribute to sustained performance: “[10:05] Brando Chamblee: Fred Couples was under par... Fred is 65 years of age. And isn't golf unique that you can have somebody 65 playing against somebody who's 25 in the same sport?”

Couples' ability to navigate the green effectively, leveraging decades of experience, serves as a reminder that Augusta rewards strategic play over sheer athleticism. Brando praises the role of local knowledge in minimizing mistakes: “[09:32] Brando Chamblee: The greens are firm... there's plenty of trouble to wreak havoc out there. So the difficult part of Augusta is to go around there not to have some huge blunder because if you make a mistake, you make a double, make a triple...”

Course Adjustments and Technological Advancements

Brando touches on Augusta National's efforts to adapt to modern golfing technologies and athlete physiques. He suggests that the course has maintained its challenge by firming up greens and introducing strategic rough areas: “[30:15] Brando Chamblee: Augusta... has managed to sort of keep up with the technological and I would say physique changes in the game of golf.”

These adjustments ensure that while players like DeChambeau continue to push the limits of distance, they must also master precision and strategic placement to excel.

Historical Comparisons: Ben Hogan and Sam Snead

The discussion transitions to legendary figures like Ben Hogan and Sam Snead, whose swings remain iconic in golf history. Brando compares Hogan's technical prowess to modern advancements: “[39:57] Brando Chamblee: He didn't have Trackman. He didn't have video. I don't know how he did it, Dan.”

Sam Snead's graceful and athletic swing is also lauded, with Brando contrasting it against Hogan's power and geometry: “[39:57] Brando Chamblee: There was a sort of lyrical charm to Sam Snead's swing. You know, folksy. But with Hogan, it had everything. It had power. It had the geometry, it had the artistry...”

These comparisons highlight the evolution of the golf swing and the enduring legacy of these masters, influencing current players' techniques and strategies.

Health and Personal Anecdotes: Todd's Injuries

Interwoven with the technical analysis, the show features lighthearted yet candid discussions about personal health mishaps, particularly focusing on a guest named Todd. Brando shares humorous yet relatable stories about Todd's injuries during activities like pickleball and Wiffle ball: “[14:02] Brando Chamblee: It was my family's mystery.”

These anecdotes serve to humanize the conversation, providing listeners with a balance between high-level sports analysis and personal narratives.

Conclusion: Insights and Takeaways

As the episode wraps up, Brando Chamblee reiterates the importance of a balanced approach to golf, combining power, precision, and strategic thinking. He underscores Scotty Scheffler's unique blend of skills and temperament as key to his current dominance in The Masters: “[36:24] Brando Chamblee: ...Scotty Scheffler is so unique. You know, what makes Scotty great is not any one thing... he's very judicious, very methodical about how he plays the game.”

The conversation also reflects on the challenges of sustaining peak performance, as seen through Rory McIlroy's struggles and Bryson DeChambeau's ambitious playing style. Brando emphasizes that while raw talent and power are significant, the nuanced understanding of the course and consistency under pressure are what ultimately define champions at Augusta National.

Notable Quotes

• Brando Chamblee on Augusta's Challenge: “Augusta is about your misses because everybody’s going to hit great shots. It’s when you don’t hit a great shot, where did you put it? And can you get up and down?” ([08:36])

• Brando on Scotty Scheffler's Consistency: “What makes Scotty great is not any one thing. It’s like what makes any great athlete. It’s not any one thing. It’s just a number of things.” ([26:07])

• Brando on Rory McIlroy's Performance: “Rory tends to play his best golf when he’s kind of out of it.” ([28:34])

• Brando on Ben Hogan's Swing: “He had power. It had the geometry, it had the artistry. It was like he was Mikhail Baryshnikov.” ([39:52])

Final Thoughts

This episode of The Dan Patrick Show offers a comprehensive exploration of The Masters, enriched by Brandel Chamblee's expert insights. Listeners gain a deeper understanding of the factors influencing player performances, the strategic intricacies of Augusta National, and the enduring impact of golfing legends. Whether a seasoned golf enthusiast or a casual fan, this discussion provides valuable perspectives on one of golf’s most prestigious tournaments.

Transcript

[Larison Campbell]

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[Brando Chamblee]

It was my family's mystery.

[Larison Campbell]

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[Brando Chamblee]

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[Larison Campbell]

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[Brando Chamblee]

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I watched a lot of it yesterday afternoon. Justin Rose, he's been in this position before. He matched a personal best seven under 65. So he's got a three shot lead after the first round. The fifth time he's had at least a share of the lead after the first day at Augusta. That breaks a record held by Jack Nicklaus. His best finish in any of those previous starts was a tie for fifth. That's why if you look at the odds According to DraftKings this morning, the odds to win, Scotty Scheffler plus 200, Ludwig Oberg plus 600. Bryson DeChambeau plus 650. And then Justin Rose at plus 750. Rory dropped to plus 1200. Double bogeyed 15, double bogeyed 17. And I'm watching him on 15, hits a great approach shot, goes over the flag, goes through the green. Now it's on the back side. Now you got to be careful because that green on 15 slopes so hard in the front that if you get it to a certain point, it's going into the water. And here's one of the greatest players in the sport and he thinks he's hit the perfect chip. And Jim Nance said right away, oh, it's gone. Because you know, if you've played it or you've watched it, you know, if it gets to a certain point on the green, it's gone. And playing Augusta, being around that sport for a long time, Augusta is about your misses because everybody's going to hit great shots. It's when you don't hit a great shot, where did you put it? And can you get up and down? That's why Fred Couples was under par. Freddie is 65 years of age. And isn't golf unique that you can have somebody 65 playing against somebody who's 25 in the same sport? Bernhard longer all those years, he would usually do well on that first day. It's because it's course knowledge. There's no other sport that you have that seismic difference between somebody's age and you're still playing in the same event now with the Masters. If you've won the Masters, you get to come back and play. And Freddie won back in the early 90s. But local knowledge, it's where you hit it. When you don't hit it where you think you're. You're supposed to, it goes someplace. And now you got your mission. Golf is about misses, and then what do you do after that? Because if you played with somebody who's really good and then they don't hit a great shot, well, they're still in play where when we hit a bad shot, it's like, I gotta drop one or I gotta, you know, knock this out. Play safe here. We'll talk to Brando Chamblee about that. That local knowledge. You're playing at the same place every single year. The other majors, of course, you know, they rotate, but you play at Augusta, you know. Exactly. Now they have changed it. People got caught up. I know Charles Barkley came on the show. I had to set him straight. He's like, I can't believe that they're Tiger proof. And the Masters, I said, charles, shut up. They did this to Jack Nicklaus in the early 60s, and he didn't know that they weren't doing. If anything, by lengthening Augusta, they helped Tiger. If you want to really penalize guys who hit it, you know, a great distance, tighten the fairways and put some rough in there, now, all of a sudden, you're going to get their attention. But if you let those guys blast it out there. Bryson DeChambeau is hitting drives of 350 yards. That's what Rory does, too. That's a long way. It's it. When you're hitting driver and then you're hitting a short iron into these par fives, it's a huge, huge advantage. But you must put it in the right place, because if you don't, you are cooked. And I brought this up a long time ago. My caddy, when I played one day, he was the caddy for Sebi Ballesteros. Sebi won in 1980. Well, I had this caddy, and actually the caddies traded golfers on the first tee. They were. They were betting on us, and I got traded. And, you know, turns out my caddy caddied for Sebi when he won the Masters. And he said to me, when I tell you something, do it. Don't question. And I go, okay. What? Didn't last long. We're on the second green. And he said, put it up here. I go up there. And he gave me this look like, oh, my God. And I said, okay, okay, okay. And I didn't quite. And of course, he was telling me, put it up here. And it's going to roll right to the hole. And it did. We get to 12. 12 winds blowing. Let me take a drink here. I'm hacking up along here.

[Brando Chamblee]

Do the caddies there, are they lifers? Are they the kind of guys who never leave that job and everyone knows them?

[Larison Campbell]

Yes, yes. You have a lot of guys who were there that. That's their. Their job. But we get to 12, so 12 is 149 yards. The wind is blowing on 13T. The wind is blowing differently on 12 green with the flag. And the wind is blowing differently on 11 green. So it's all right there. And I'm looking around and my caddy goes, I'm gonna give you a club. Don't look at it, just swing it. So he gives it to me and I go, it's way too much club. He goes, so put it on the green. Made the pot, made a birdie on 12. And he said, do not question me. And I, I. So I did it twice and I didn't do it again. But it's so local knowledge is wonderful. And to get these guys who have been doing it a long, long time looping for a long time, and they'll just tell you, take your medicine. Yeah, but I think I could take your medicine. I could get it right through that little. Okay, go ahead. Then you hit it into one of these trees and ricochets through the woods. Nothing like it. It's great. 877-3-DP show email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle @dpshow everything on sale danpatrick.com 50 off NFL Draft will be there at the bar famous for their wings, Just Flats. It's the bar on homegrown way. We'll have drafts at the draft. Yes. Are you.

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And I did some research after the fact, unfortunately, don't help with the different moves and stopping and starting, and you move your feet in different ways. And I should have used a very special pickleball shoes that you guys were wearing, and then I wouldn't have had that problem, and I wouldn't have been at urgent care yesterday getting X rays. Give me the pain level, pain tolerance level that you're on right now. As I'm sitting here, I'm fine. As soon as I get up, it's like a nine. Nine for sure. I can't put any pressure at all on my left heel. Nine. It's just. I just can't at all. Okay. It feels like there's, like, glass in my. I saw your car parked as close to the. The door as possible, and I knew that you were. You were hurt. If there was a way I could have pulled the car in right up to my desk, I would have done that, but it just doesn't fit. Yes. As someone who occasionally suffers from foot issues myself, because I do and occasionally get gout, which is kind of humiliating to admit. It is. It's truly awful to have. You're just sitting and everything is fine. The minute you try to stand up, your, like, foot feels like it's being torn off your body. That's just terrible. That being said, we do have a poll question up there. Which of Todd's injuries was, I don't know, worse, I guess, is a word we're using. More humiliating. Softer. You can read it to the context of what we're discussing here. All worst Todd injury. Todd's pickleball foot or his wiffle ball elbow. Right now, it's 63% of the vote. We've got wiffle ball elbow. That is still more humiliating. All I know is, when I came in now, they played wiffle ball. The backroom guys play wiffle ball out in the field house. I come back later in the day, and they go, you missed it. And I'll go, what do you mean? Todd was unbelievable playing wiffle ball. He was hitting, you know, shots. He was Great. And then I. Next day I said, hey, man, you killed it in Wiffle ball. He goes, yeah, but I got hurt. I said, who gets hurt in Wiffle ball? But you did went X rays on that too. And I was trying to. I was trying to convince the, uh. Are you sure I don't need Tommy John? I know something's not right with my ligament. No, you did not. I always like to get checked out. Did you go to the doctor? I had to get looked at because I couldn't bend my arm. At one point, I couldn't get full motion of my arm. If I think swinging a light that. Like that my hardest. Like throwing a Nerf ball when I was a kid growing up, you keep throwing something that has, like, no weight to it. Puts a lot of pressure on your shoulder and arm. Should we just not include you with things? I like to play. I just don't like what happens to me when I do play. I enjoyed playing Wiffle ball up until the point that I couldn't bend my arm. And now I'm limping and I'm on basically one foot right now. See that? Playing pickleball. This is why health insurance pisses me off. I never go to the doctor, ever. I never use it. I never do anything. I have it just in case, like, one day might happen. Todd's in the hospital four times a week getting some random knee pain, like, whatever, this, that. And we both have to pay the same health insurance. It drives me crazy. It is extremely unfair if you think about it that way. At least I'm using. I never use it. I never go. I'm like, ah, yeah, it hurts. But whatever, you just figure it out. No big deal. I just ignore everything. Todd's there constantly. Same health insurance. You know, when the doctor says don't show up, I'll still knock on the door. Anyway, I'll ring. I think I still need an appointment. I'm convincing. Yeah, but. Okay. This has to do with your upbringing, too. Oh, no question about it. I went for a throat culture every week because if I had the slightest cough, I'd be rushed for to see if I had strep throat. And my mom once convinced one of our doctors to give me a shot in the tush is what they did back in the. In the seventies. And we. And everything was fine. He wasn't going to do that. She went back in the room, said something to him, and next thing I know, my brother and I had our pants down and we're getting a needle in our tush. What Is. What is that all about? They don't do that anymore, do they? They don't, thankfully. Because that's. That's painful. You would think because of the. It's a little meaty back there. That's a good spot. It's not. It's really not. All right, you're tush. Yes. Yes.

[Brando Chamblee]

Paul, I'd like to add to the.

[Larison Campbell]

You had the tush push before and wreck thermometers, too. Oh, come on, man.

[Brando Chamblee]

I'd like to add to the poll. Remember when we were doing a photo shoot for, like, Eddie Bauer shirts? Todd went down when Seaton tackled him.

[Larison Campbell]

Literally was ready Bowers.

[Brando Chamblee]

It was for Eddie Bauer. Flannels in Los Angeles. Shot a docile floor throwing around the football video. Todd went down on one knee after the catch, came up almost screaming in pain and had a serious rib injury. And then there's, of course, the hotel in Las Vegas where he fell.

[Larison Campbell]

Oh, yeah. He got up in the middle of the night, right? Yeah. Oh, dear. I'm way too big and old at this point to be taking flight in the darkness in the middle of the night because I banged my foot in a part of furniture that I didn't know existed there. I would have loved to have seen you flying through the air, middle of the night, no clothes on. I was a stupid man. Instead of Superman. I'm just flying with no cape, pair of socks, and that's it. Stupid man. And the headband that I like to wear. My goat headband that I like to wear to bed. Stupid man. Stupid man. A couple of phone calls in here before we take a break. Johnny in Kentucky. Hi, Johnny. What's on your mind today? Hey, Dan Patrick show. I didn't expect to get on this fast. Thank you. First time. Long, long, long time. Really just want to call. Today's my birthday. If I can get you guys to give me a solid little happy birthday song and another shout out to my birthday bro. Marvin, Good brother. Good brother. Dan, thank you for putting Marvin on. Congratulations, fellas, for the Emmy award. Nine and I do got a story real quick.

[Brando Chamblee]

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[Larison Campbell]

So I call in every year on my birthday. Can you hear me? Yeah. All right. Calling every year. My birthday, 2016, April 14th. Mario was filling in for two days. Finally got through. I call the time. Finally got through. Super hype. Mario answers, puts me on hold, comes back, bangs the line on me. So things change over time. I've forgiven him. I'm here now. Thank you. Love the show, fellas. Thank you, Johnny. How about a birthday greeting to Johnny? Happy birthday, Johnny. Giving you a shout out more. Yeah. Marvin says to me one day, he goes, hey, you know, I don't want people to think there's we have a Rooney rule here. I go, what are you talking about? He goes, I don't know. Feels like some people on social media are saying we have a Rooney rule. I go, no, you earned this. No, absolutely. Oh, Dan went woke. I was like, I was back here. I was a BRG for like 3 years before I got out here. And then I got mad. I'm like, no. God, you're so valuable for this show. Like, no, it's not the dei. None of that stuff there. Yeah. Marvin says that. I go, no, you're. I said, you tell me you're joking. You go, yeah, yeah, I'm joking. Like, no, you got the job because you were the right person for the job. Oh, I didn't call myself di. Oh, I know. I earned it. Okay, good. I never want you to think that. Never. I mean, it helps that you're Dan's nephew, but you're my brawny James. Be nice. Yeah. All right, let me take a break. We're gonna head to Augusta. We'll talk to Randall Chambly. Sounds like something you drink. What are you drinking? Are you drinking the Chambly? Yes, I am. He should come out with his own wine. How's the Chambly 2022? Oh, it's delish. All right. And then Brent Most Burger will join us top of next hour. We're back after this Dan Patrick show. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Hey, Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm EAS 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved, take your phone calls, chop it up as they say, I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich. There's a type of soil in Mississippi called Yazoo clay. It's thick, burnt orange, and it's got a reputation. It's terrible.

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[Brando Chamblee]

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The scenes story of Golden State's incredible 10 year run. Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Larison Campbell]

Love watching, you know, Golf Central live from usually at the Writer cup or A major, the Masters, and then I'm always watching Randall Chamblee, because chances are he's going to say something to piss somebody off. He's really, really good at that. But I watched yesterday, Brando, I don't think you upset anybody yesterday. What's. What's going on? You going soft on us?

[Brando Chamblee]

I don't know. I kind of had an off day, I guess. Yeah, I don't. I don't know that I've pissed anybody off this whole week, Dan. I'm on great behavior this week.

[Larison Campbell]

Yeah. But I don't like that I brought this up. When you see certain guys, like Freddie Couples is 65 and he shoots a one under, but, you know, the familiarity there. He's not going to hit it where everybody hits it. But as Payne Stewart once said to me, our game is about misses where we miss and being able to get up and down, as opposed to where the average golfer misses. But that local knowledge, how much does that play in with Freddy, you know, being up there at least hanging in on the leaderboard?

[Brando Chamblee]

Yeah, I think in a huge way. I mean, there are a lot of things that I think help the elderly at Augusta National. The Fairways there are 55 yards wide. Yesterday was just an ideal day for scoring. It wasn't. I mean, yeah, the course in spots was firm, like 15, but it was a Goldilocks day. You know, it was. It was pretty warm. Wind wasn't blowing. And then Freddy's just. He's an unbelievably good golfer, and he's aged so well because the swing is long and it's languid and it's loose. It's kind of crazy. You know, if you think about yesterday, yesterday was really a crazy day. Sneaky. One of the crazier days I think I've seen. You know, he had a guy that won twice Last year shoot 90. You had a guy on Social Security that shot 71. And when we talk about somebody relieving themselves or going into Ray's Creek, I should say normally it's because they had a shot in there, not because they went in there to relieve themselves like the US Amateur champ did yesterday. He said, though I'll give him a lot of credit. He said it was the largest amount of applause he got all week. And then Rory with the double bogeys.

[Larison Campbell]

So he's not in trouble, is he? Because you. You got to be careful with your demeanor at Augusta. Certainly the patrons do. What about the golfers?

[Brando Chamblee]

I'm sure the Augusta Committee wasn't too happy with him. He said he forgot to go to the bathroom. I don't know how one does that, but, you know, you have to be, I guess, judicious. There was a porta potty on the 13th tee. I guess he forgot. And anyway, you know, what are you going to do? What are you going to do when you play with it? When you got to go, you got to go. But Ray's Creek, and then what else. What else happened crazy yesterday?

[Larison Campbell]

Well, Rory on 15, and like I was telling people that that looked like a perfect shot. His. His second shot in, it goes right over the stick. Now it's on the back. Now, it's tricky because it can be. It borders on. That's unbelievable. Or oh, my God. And then Nance said right away, it's gone because it got to that certain point, it had a little bit of momentum, and then Jim says, it's gone. It's in the water.

[Brando Chamblee]

Yeah. I mean, after it didn't check that first bounce, you knew it was gone. You know, the players that had hit that shot conservatively or good. I mean, it checked the first bounce or they just were really careful. Like, Scotty Scheffler hit it back there, and he was really careful. He landed on the. On the fringe and left it.

[Larison Campbell]

Really.

[Brando Chamblee]

It's hard to believe it, but it's a chip shot where you got to be conservative. And as firm as that green is, they all knew it. It was such a headshot. I mean, Rory, you know, I'm. I would imagine, you know better than me. But pulling for Rory, and almost everybody in the world of golf pulls for Rory is. Is. Is maybe it's akin to. You tell me if there's a decent analogy, I may use it tonight. Would it be like being a Buffalo Bills fan? You know, they. They're awesome, right? And they just can't quite win the big game.

[Larison Campbell]

And.

[Brando Chamblee]

And for the last 10 years, Rory's been there all the time. And then he makes these blunders, these head scratchers in major championships. You know, he's so inconsistent in majors on the one hand, and on the other, he's pretty damn consistent, and you just can't quite figure him out.

[Larison Campbell]

Well, Rich Lerner, the great host of the program, says, and you got a little bit frosty, I think, when he said, we might look at this and say Rory lost the tournament with that double bogey at 15 and double bogey at 17. And then you. You kind of fired back at him. So why do you think Rory is still in this thing?

[Brando Chamblee]

Because he's playing great. I mean, right up until the blunder at 15, he could have been seven under par pretty easily, and he was four under par, and he had really kind of gotten nothing out of the round. He'd hit so many good shots and not capitalized on them. He played great coming in here. And Rory tends to play his best golf when he's kind of out of it, and. And he's not out of it. I. I maintain that the lead is really Scotty Scheffler, you know, that's the person you got to beat. No disrespect to Justin Rose. It's hard to sustain that level of golf that he played yesterday. For four days. He just made a bogey at the fifth. He's hit some of the worst shots I've seen somebody hit who's leading a golf tournament. Early in round number two, fourth hole, par three pins up front, he. He laid the sod over his approach shot 50 yards short of the green. I've never seen anybody do that. And he got up and down for par. So he kind of smoke and mirrors, and then he bogey five. So my point is he's four back of Scotty Sheffield. Well, you don't think Rory can make up four shots over three days. And if I'm Rory, I'm sitting there thinking I got to go out and get 12 under par over the next four days, and that should do it. So, no, I don't think he shot himself out of it, but he made pretty much all the mistakes he could make yesterday.

[Larison Campbell]

How does Augusta keep this so the scores don't get out of hand? When you see DeChambeau hitting at 350 yards, and then you got a short iron into a parent par 5. Rory with that, and. And as you said, you can blast it there, like, if you miss a fairway, that's saying a lot about your driving ability or lack thereof. But what does Augusta do continue to do to keep it in a certain number if that's important to them?

[Brando Chamblee]

Well, the golf course has a lot of length to it. You know, Augusta, more than any other golf course, I think, in the country, has managed to sort of keep up with the technological and I would say physique changes in the game of golf. The scoring Average yesterday was 73.4. Last year was 73.9. I mean, if you go back 40 years, that's kind of what the scoring average was. So they kept in step. The greens are firm. They're the most undulating, difficult greens in the game of golf. There's plenty of trouble to wreak havoc out there. So the, the, the, the difficult part of Gustav Nashville is to go around there not to have some huge blunder because if you make a mistake, you make a w, make a triple, and eventually the winner is the guy who just doesn't make a double bogey for the week. I mean, with few exceptions. And, and that's why Scotty Schiffler is so unique. You know, what makes Scotty great is not any one thing. It's like what makes any great athlete. It's not any one thing. It's just a number of things. He's long, he's straight, great irons, great chipper, and he's very judicious. He's very methodical about how he plays the game. Much in the Tiger woods or Jack Nicklaus bank.

[Larison Campbell]

But when does he or has he graduated in? Now he's one of the great golfers of all time.

[Brando Chamblee]

Oh, gosh, you know, he's, you got to get into rarefied air there. 5, 6, 7 major championships, 25, 30, 35, 40 wins. I mean, he's, he's a five year run away from, you know, having, having that sort of moniker attached to him. I, I mean, this is what they look like though, Dan, on the way to, to being called that. They look like this.

[Larison Campbell]

Yeah. And I, I'm always careful because you see these guys and they're like unbelievable. Then all of a sudden you go, where'd that guy go?

[Brando Chamblee]

Right, right. It happened with Jordan speak.

[Larison Campbell]

Yes.

[Brando Chamblee]

Where did that guy go? It happened with Justin Thomas. Like, where did that guy go? Dustin Johnson, where did that guy go? John Rom, to some extent right now. And it's really hard to sustain that. And the reason I think we're inclined to say Scotty Scheffler is going to be less inclined to have those big valleys is because he's not a swing tinkerer. He doesn't think that there's something better next door or somebody knows something. And he's got such a well balanced family life. I just can't see him jumping to live. I can't see him jumping to swing teachers. I can't see him trying to transform his body and getting injured and all of those things. You know, those are sort of life, existential hurdles I don't think he'll be susceptible to.

[Larison Campbell]

He's Randall Chamblee, Golf Channel lead studio analyst and you can watch live from the Masters after the round is concluded. You look at the live guys and I wondered about coming, you know, playing that style of golf in that environment and then dialing it up to play in this. And John Rom, you know, I think he played pretty well at Doral. I think he had a couple of bad holes. DeChambeau, I watched him. But the difference between DeChambeau and John Rom going from live to Augusta was what, yesterday.

[Brando Chamblee]

I feel like John Rom feels extra pressure in major championships. You know, he's been criticized for being sort of a turncoat because he had critical remarks about Liv initially and said he'd never leave the tour than he did. So he's been a little critical. He goes over there, he plays well, and then he comes and plays poorly in the major championship. So I almost feel like there's a lot of pressure on him to perform. And Bryson, on the other hand, I feel like. I feel like he uses live events to prepare for major championships. He doesn't really seem to be in him. You know, you go look, and it's like. It's not like he's not lighting them up. You know, this is a guy won the US Open last year, almost won three of the four major championships, and he hasn't won a live event this year, and live is nowhere near the competition that he would face in major championships. But, like, he really gets up for majors. He's got no pressure on him. It's like the opposite. He frees it up and gets after it.

[Larison Campbell]

I think he's great to watch, but it feels like he's. He'll take on anybody. Like, he. He probably says, I'm the best golfer in the world. He probably. I don't care what Scotty Scheffler does. I'm still better than him. Like, that confidence. He exudes it. Yeah.

[Brando Chamblee]

I mean, it's really fun to watch him. You know, he plays the game with such audacity, such. He's like a gambler. On the one hand, he's like John Daly, you know, in that he. He goes after everything. But on the other hand, he's like Ben Hogan. Now that you couldn't find two more incongruous figures. Yeah, you know, he's. He's relentless in his pursuit of perfection, but then when he gets on the golf course, he plays with absolute reckless abandon. He swings at every single pitch as hard as he can. He couldn't be more different than Scottie Scheffler in. In the way he plays the game, but the preparation, you got to tip your cap for it. He's, you know, he's out there well after dark. A lot of nights when we're doing live from. We just turn around and there's Bryson on the range getting after.

[Larison Campbell]

I was amazed watching your coverage last night. It's 8 o'clock. He's been done for three hours or, you know, two and a half hours. He's out there hammering drives. And you said there's no more daylight here. I think they have. Do they have lights on the driving range there for him? Because he was the only guy looked like he was out there.

[Brando Chamblee]

You know, it's funny, I didn't turn around and look, but he was, he was lit like there were lights out there. I don't know that he needs lights because he's got the, the, the track man or the quad. He's. Quad right there. So he just hits and then looks down. He doesn't need it. And, you know, it's. It's dinner time, it's bedtime.

[Larison Campbell]

But can you hit too many balls when you're out there?

[Brando Chamblee]

Yes. Every other player in this field would say yes to that question, but not him. You know, there's a, there's a, there's a ball count going for the week, and almost everybody. It's pretty, pretty cool to watch. The first year I can remember, there's a ball count. There's a, there's a group of data, you know, statisticians that count the balls of every player out there. Data golf.

[Larison Campbell]

It's a good follow on the driving range.

[Brando Chamblee]

Yeah, yeah. Data golf does this. So I looked at it yesterday and it had everybody listed and, you know, the most balls to the least balls hit, and you go over here to the least balls hits, and it's all the guys that are playing the best. They're not. They got it. They're not looking for it. They got it. And, you know, these statisticians, they're brilliant. They do a correlation to where the fewest balls correlates to how well they're playing coming into the week. The most balls correlates to the guys they're playing, except for Bryson, you know, and, and he's out there hitting thousands of balls over the course of the week. You'd think you'd be sore, you'd think you'd be tired. All of these things you don't want in a major championship. But he does it every dad Gum day. You know, as far as I can tell, he doesn't have kids, he doesn't have a wife, he doesn't have a girlfriend. It's just him and those golf balls. And he's like Hogan. He really is this is something Ben Hogan would be doing.

[Larison Campbell]

Do you hold out any hope of Tiger's return? And if so, what will he look like?

[Brando Chamblee]

You know, watch. I don't know if you, you probably watched some of the tgl. It was kind of cool to watch and was swinging great in that thing. And I, I had all the hope he was going to come back and play some good golf this year. Hope, I mean, he's going to be like, this year's probably gone, so it'll be 50 before we see him again. But as we've seen with Freddie this week, you know, and as we saw with Phil Mickelson a few years ago, these guys can still play some great golf in their 50s. Tigers ball speed. When I was watching in the TGL this year, Dan was, it was almost, it was close to 180 miles an hour and he was pushing off that right foot which, you know, got mangled in that last accident. So, you know, I, I won't, I won't say no, but it's really far fetched, you know, at this point.

[Larison Campbell]

I'll leave you with this. I did a story on Byron Nelson. So when he was alive, it went down to his ranch and he couldn't swing the club anymore. You know, he was a lot older, but he wanted to hold the golf club. And so we're out on the ranch and Hogan was still alive. And I said to Byron, I said, do you think you could call Ben Hogan and I could do a feature? We were doing Legends of the PGA Tour. And he looked at me, he goes, oh no, no. And I said, but I just, you know, I, I guess he didn't live very far from Byron. And I'm thinking, hey, if Byron would call Ben Hogan, maybe Ben Hogan withdue a sit down interview with. But Byron looked at me and he's one of the nice, he's a gentleman. He was one of the nicest people. And he just gave me this look like that might be the dumbest question I've heard. I Nobody messes, Nobody messes with Ben. Nobody wants to call him.

[Brando Chamblee]

I commend you for the ask. Gary Player famously called him sometime, you know, after he'd won a couple of majors and said, you know, I'm having problems with this or that in my game. And Ben Hogan said, whose clubs do you play, Gary? And he said, well, I'm playing Slazinger. And he said, oh, he said, why don't you call Mr. Slazinger and ask him? He was a hard ass. Oh, interview him. I would love to See if you could get him to laugh and open up, because he was. He was a tough character to crack.

[Larison Campbell]

And people are still looking at his swing as the holding, as the greatest. Is the greatest golf swing ever. Now, I would put Sam Snead up there, too.

[Brando Chamblee]

Yeah. I mean, look, Sam. Steve.

[Larison Campbell]

Athleticism. Athleticism. Sam Snead, even when he was in his 70s.

[Brando Chamblee]

Yeah. Yeah. There was a sort of a lyrical charm to Sam Sneed swing. You know, folksy. But with Hogan, it had everything. It had power. It had the geometry, it had the artistry. It was like he was Mikhail Baryshnikov. You know, it's like you just couldn't believe somebody could swing a golf club that good. Nobody today comes close to swinging a golf club as good as Ben Hogan.

[Larison Campbell]

Nobody.

[Brando Chamblee]

He didn't have Trackman. He didn't have video. I don't know how he did it, Dan. I don't know how he came.

[Larison Campbell]

You think it's the greatest golf swing ever?

[Brando Chamblee]

Yeah. A tiger 2000 is the. Is the closest thing, in my opinion. You know, that's a. That's a dead heat. I think Hogan gets him in the end, but because, you know, Tiger had every asset of the game, but from a. From a. If you said, who could you. Who would you most like to swing off? Good Lord. Ben Hogan. Yeah.

[Larison Campbell]

I look at Hogan, like Leonardo, dude. So ahead of his time, and what he did, and Hogan did that to the golf swing and. Yeah.

[Brando Chamblee]

Yeah. You know, there's an issue. You probably find this. You go back and you look. You know, Hogan famously won the 50 US Open after. After that accident, and he tied with, I'm not mistaken, Lloyd Mangram, who'd won the 46 US Open, and George Fazio. Right. Two.

[Larison Campbell]

Two phenomenal golfers.

[Brando Chamblee]

And you go watch them tee off on the first hole of the playoffs, and, you know, George hits, Lloyd Mangram hits, and then Hogan hits. And if you just were watching the video of those three golfers who all tied in the US Open, you would think, comparatively speaking, and I don't mean this disparagingly, you would think the first two were drunks at a driving range. And. And then. Because the. The symmetry, the movement, the grace, the power, every movement had a purpose in Hogan. Swing it. It's the most beautiful thing in the history of golf. No, in my mind.

[Larison Campbell]

Play nice today. I don't know.

[Brando Chamblee]

I'll try to piss somebody off.

[Larison Campbell]

Okay. I don't want.

[Brando Chamblee]

I don't want you disappointed for the week, Dan.

[Larison Campbell]

I don't know. Take a Shot at Mickelson.

[Brando Chamblee]

That's gotten too easy.

[Larison Campbell]

Does he ever come up and say something to you? Did he come up and say something to you?

[Brando Chamblee]

Well, you know, we have mutual friends, good friends. His kind of best friends are kind of my good friends. And we've a time or two talked about getting together and having a, you know, a pow wow. It hadn't happened yet. I like Phil, you know, I like. I miss his golf. I think he's a smart guy and I think if he were sitting across from me, we would have a good natured back and forth. I don't think he's bitter. I don't think he holds grudges. But, you know, I miss his golf. I wish he were back here playing the tour. I wish he hadn't left.

[Larison Campbell]

Yeah, because he was going to be, Arnie. He was going to be.

[Brando Chamblee]

And I'll tell you this, he would be sitting in that lead chair doing commentary, killing it. Now he's, he'd be making 40, $50 million a year and he. I think he'd be great in the booth. He'd be a Ryder cup captain. Yeah, I know, Entertaining us and all that.

[Larison Campbell]

So I do.

[Brando Chamblee]

Golf misses him, I think.

[Larison Campbell]

Thank you, Brando. Have a great weekend.

[Brando Chamblee]

Thank you. You too. Always a pleasure to be on the show.

[Larison Campbell]

Brando Shamblee, Golf Channel lead studio analyst. Yeah, I was told by a source that Phil was going to take over for Faldo and. But he wanted to play in the majors, so this is before he went to live, and it just never materialized. All right, we'll take a break. Phone calls coming up. Brent Musburger coming up. Top of the hour. Back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio Apple. There's a type of soil in Mississippi called Yazoo clay. It's thick, burnt orange, and it's got a reputation. It's terrible, terrible dirt. Yazoo clay eats everything. So things that get buried there tend to stay buried until they're not. In 2012, construction crews at Mississippi's biggest hospital made a shocking discovery. 7,000 bodies out there or more, all former patients of the old state asylum. And nobody knew they were there.

[Brando Chamblee]

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[Larison Campbell]

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[Brando Chamblee]

The story is much more complicated and nuanced than that.

[Larison Campbell]

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[Brando Chamblee]

On the new limited podcast series Dub Dynasty, we hear from head coach Steve Kerr on how Steph Curry almost never even joined the Warriors.

[Larison Campbell]

In fact, I thought we had a draft Day deal to end up getting him to Phoenix for the entire behind.

[Brando Chamblee]

The scenes story of Golden State's incredible 10 year run. Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Larison Campbell]

The Dan Patrick Show Headed to Green Bay drafts at the draft with our friends from Miller. Like 50 years, still iconic. It's the original Miller Light, the top pick for beer lovers. All right, when you think of Augusta, Augustus, the star year in and year out, doesn't matter who's playing, it's still Augusta. All the other majors, they rotate different venues. Augusta is Augusta. That's it. And you look forward to seeing. And I mean there's other courses where you go. St. Andrews, you know, it's interesting. And pebble beach is, you know, obviously great. There's a lot of courses that are wonderful. But Augusta, you know exactly what it is because you can turn on a, a golf event and go, where are they playing? You don't do that with Augusta. But other sports, when you think of the venue like Madison Square Garden, that's, that's, that venue is the important part of it. You're not playing the Knicks, you're playing in the Garden, or you're not playing against St. John's you're playing in the Garden, you're not playing against the Rangers, you're playing in the Garden. Fenway is iconic that when you look at that, you know exactly where you are And I encourage you to go to Fenway because once you walk in and you look at that green monster, you're going to think the same thing that everybody else does. Damn. I think I could hit one out here. But that one is one that stands out. Lambo, because of where it is in a neighborhood and the history there. And it was no frills first time I went there. Just you're sitting on benches. I don't know if they've upgraded, but I think the press box and maybe some sweets there. Notre Dame. Notre Dame's another one. They did add to Notre Dame, but if you're thinking about the Cowboys with their first stadium with the hole in the roof, I don't know. Let's see. Anything else where the venue is more important than the actual sport being played there? Yes, Paul.

[Brando Chamblee]

Growing up watching the Rose bowl as a college football fan, the teams were interchangeable. The Rose bowl and the pomp and circumstance around it. That great shot when the sun was going down, the. The venue was a star.

[Larison Campbell]

I love the Rose bowl because. And where it's situated where, you know, it's kind of in a neighborhood where you're kind of driving down, all of a sudden, boom, there's the Rose Bowl. And it's just. There's something about it being on the sidelines there. Went to see the Rose bowl with Michigan one year and it was just awesome. So that would be up there. Yeah. Marvin, speaking of Michigan, what about the big house? Yeah, but I don't know if it's. I think it's about Michigan football. I don't know if it's, hey, we're playing in the big house. It's. You're playing Michigan. Yes, Mark. I feel the same way about Lambo. The packers are just as important as Lambo. Yeah. Okay, I'll buy that. Yeah.

[Brando Chamblee]

Paul, I think the big house in Michigan was that in the 70s and 80s and then other college football programs caught up in number of seats in the. In the building.

[Larison Campbell]

Well, the Buckeyes with the horseshoe is iconic, but it's still playing. It's Ohio State football there. The Coliseum. The Coliseum is way too big. When you watch a USC game, it's just way too big. So you don't have that intimacy. And it was built for the Olympics. Yes, Todd. Wimbledon, where it's more the event or the venue as opposed to specific tennis players that are at center court. Yeah, Yeah, I think so. You know when you see that burned out grass, you know, late in the event, and it's like, yep. Trying to think anything. Any other venue that comes to mind. Yeah. Yeah. You know what's crazy about the Coliseum is that it's gigantic, and it still has 30,000 less seats than the Big House. I thought that The Coliseum had 92, 000. I thought it was like, 70 something. I might be wrong. Okay. I could be wrong. I thought that was like, 92, 000. The big house is over a hundred big houses. Like. Yeah, like one. Almost one. 110. Yeah. Tennessee. Neal and I think they're over a hundi. How many stadiums are over a hundred thousand? Yes.

[Brando Chamblee]

Paulie Seaton and I went to the Michigan game years ago, and we were walking up. It was my second time there, his first, where it's kind of recessed into the ground. So from the outside, you're like, that's it. It's not as big. And then you get inside. It's actually better inside.

[Larison Campbell]

Yeah. A lot of stadiums are built down, so when. When you go in it, you're like, it doesn't look that large. But when you're in, then you realize the enormity. Yes. Yeah. When you're driving on the road, you just kind of see, like, oh, there's a stadium over there. You see the big M, and you're like, oh, okay. And then, yeah, you got to kind of walk down into it. Like, dang, this place is gigantic. Yeah. Marv.

[Brando Chamblee]

Oh.

[Larison Campbell]

I was making the motion like, you're going down. Oh, stadium. So. Okay. All right. I was getting excited. Come on. All right. I thought you were doing a John Morant grenade. Not this time. You know what? You had Shaq and Kenny and Charles who talked about the celebration of John Morant. It seems like that's more important than winning games. You know, his celebration. Hey, I got another one. Gonna. Gonna put the gun down now. I got a grenade. I'll be honest with you. Hall of famer Brent Musburger joins us. Coming up in 10 minutes. Final hour. In Mississippi, Yazoo Clay keeps secrets. 7,000 bodies out there or more. A forgotten asylum, cemetery.

[Brando Chamblee]

It was my family's mystery.

[Larison Campbell]

Shame, guilt, propriety. Something keeps it all buried deep until it's not. I'm Larison Campbell, and this is Under Yazoo Clay. Listen, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast, the championship is back in the bay for the first time in 40 years.

[Brando Chamblee]

On the new limited podcast series Dub Dynasty, we hear from head coach Steve Kerr on how Steph Curry almost never even joined the Warriors.

[Larison Campbell]

In fact, I thought we had a draft day deal to end up getting.

[Brando Chamblee]

Him to Phoenix for the entire behind the scenes story of Golden State's incredible 10 year run. Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Larison Campbell]

What's up everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top 101, free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to introduce a brand new season of my podcast Math and Stories from the Frontiers of Marketing. I'm having conversations with some folks across a wide range of industries to hear how they reach the top of their fields and the lessons they learned along.

[Brando Chamblee]

The way that everyone can use.

[Larison Campbell]

I'll be joined by innovative leaders like Chairman and CEO of Health Beauty Tarang Amin, legendary singer, songwriter and philanthropist Jewel.

[Brando Chamblee]

Being a rock star is very fun, but helping people is way more fun.

[Larison Campbell]

And Damian Maldonado, CEO of American Financing. I figured out the formula. I just have to work hard then that's magic. Join me as we uncover innovations in data and analytics, the math and the ever important creative spark, the magic. Listen to math and Magic on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Sam Mullins and I've got a new podcast coming out called goboy the gritty true story of how one man fought his way out of some of the darkest places imaginable. Roger Caron was 16 when first convicted, has spent 24 of those years in jail. But when Roger Caron picked up a pen and paper, he went from an ex con to a literary darling from Campside Media and iHeart Podcasts. Listen to GoBoy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.