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Hour 2 – Tush Push Ban Fails, Tom Pelissero

The Dan Patrick Show

Thu May 22 2025

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 2: Tush Push Ban Fails, Tom Pelissero

Release Date: May 22, 2025

Introduction

In the second hour of The Dan Patrick Show, hosted by Dan Patrick alongside co-hosts Ryan and Dylan, the conversation delves deep into recent developments in the NFL, the evolving landscape of the NBA MVP race, and a thrilling recap of a Knicks vs. Pacers game. The episode balances serious sports analysis with lighthearted banter, ensuring an engaging experience for listeners.

NFL's Attempt to Ban the "Tush Push" Play

One of the central discussions revolves around the NFL's recent attempt to eliminate the "tush push"—a controversial play favored by the Philadelphia Eagles. The hosts dissect the intricacies of the rule change attempt, the voting dynamics among NFL teams, and the broader implications for the league.

Voting Outcome and Leadership Efforts

Dan Patrick initiates the conversation by highlighting the narrow vote that kept the "tush push" alive:

"They were two votes away. Now do I think it's going to go away next year? I do." [10:02]

The conversation touches upon the efforts of Packers coach Matt LaFleur and former Eagles center Jason Kelce in advocating for the play. Kelce's defense emphasizes the safety and strategy behind the "tush push":

"He would continue to play if that's the only play that he was in on. He said it's safe." [09:55]
Health and Safety Concerns

Dylan raises questions about the NFL's rationale for banning the play, especially in the absence of significant injury data:

"It's a health and safety related ban on a play. That you had the medical people with the NFL all saying this needs to be outlawed and it did not pass." [28:57]

The hosts debate whether the NFL is being proactive or reactive in its approach to player safety, comparing it to previous rule changes aimed at reducing injuries.
Comparisons to Deflategate and Rule Interpretations

Ryan draws parallels between the current situation and past controversies like Deflategate, questioning the consistency in the NFL's enforcement of rules:

"You can't punish them for being smarter, better, more prepared. Oh, they're doing it. They're just smarter." [10:02]

NBA MVP Race and the Rise of Foreign Players

Shifting focus to basketball, the hosts discuss Shea Gilgis Alexander's MVP win and the increasing influence of international players in the NBA.

Impact of Foreign Players

Ryan and Dan explore how players like Vince Carter have paved the way for Canadian athletes to excel in the league:

"It feels like Shea Gilgis Alexander was a direct effect of what Vince Carter did in the early 2000s." [07:18]

The conversation highlights the shift in the NBA landscape, where the top talents are increasingly coming from outside the United States, enhancing the global appeal of the league.
Dan’s Insight on Canadian Influence

Dan adds depth to the discussion by attributing current successes to Carter's legacy:

"You can see the influence that he had on Canadian basketball." [07:18]

Knicks vs. Pacers: A Nail-Biting Comeback

A major highlight of the episode is the detailed recap of the Knicks vs. Pacers game, where the Pacers overcame a significant deficit to win in overtime.

Game Breakdown

The hosts vividly recount the dramatic turnaround, emphasizing key moments and strategic plays:

"When you think about it, you're up 14. You got under three minutes to go. You're at home. All right, take that, Pacers." [04:00]
Recreation of Kevin Harlan's Call

In a fun segment, Ryan invites Tom Pelissero to recreate the iconic commentary by Kevin Harlan, capturing the excitement of the game's final seconds:

"Seven seconds remaining in regulation 125. 123, New York. The Knicks led by his money is 17, by 14 with under three and by nine with less than a minute." [23:16]

The accurate recreation garners praise from Marv, who comments on Dan's performance:

"The verbal cadence, the speed, the number of words per second is dead on." [24:06]

Personal Anecdotes and Lighthearted Banter

Interspersed with serious discussions, the hosts engage in personal stories and playful interactions, enhancing the show's relatable and entertaining atmosphere.

Party Bus Stories

Dan shares his experience on a party bus returning from the Sports Emmys, highlighting the challenges of entertaining while dealing with exhaustion:

"I was fighting through exhaustion, part of it, trying to entertain the troops, but being rude." [15:01]
Apologies and Host Dynamics

The camaraderie among the hosts is evident as they navigate moments of tension, such as when Dan apologizes for mishearing Ryan:

"I have an astigmatism. It kind of looked like you reported me. I apologize." [22:44]

Interactive Segments: Rhyme Time and Pick Six

To engage listeners further, the show features interactive segments like "Rhyme Time" and the "Pick Six" game, allowing audience participation and adding a competitive edge to the broadcast.

Rhyme Time

The hosts attempt to create rhymes based on given prompts, showcasing their creativity and sense of humor:

"Camry Accord is that. We're off to a great start. Camry Accord. Left side. Right side is Dallas." [48:20]
Pick Six

Leveraging DraftKings, the "Pick Six" game invites listeners to predict game outcomes, offering a chance to win real cash:

"Ready to win some real cash during the basketball playoffs? Check out Pick Six from DraftKings." [43:43]

Notable Quotes

"They table it. They thought they needed to work backroom dealings." – Ryan [10:02]
"Shea Gilgis Alexander was a direct effect of what Vince Carter did in the early 2000s." – Dan Patrick [07:18]
"When you think about it, you're up 14. You got under three minutes to go. You're at home. All right, take that, Pacers." – Ryan [04:00]
"The verbal cadence, the speed, the number of words per second is dead on." – Marv [24:06]

Conclusion

Hour two of The Dan Patrick Show offers a comprehensive analysis of pivotal sports topics, enriched by the hosts' dynamic interactions and engaging segments. Whether you're a dedicated sports enthusiast or a casual listener, this episode delivers insightful commentary, memorable moments, and plenty of entertainment.

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Yeah. Yes. And there are a lot of great Canadian basketball players that we've seen influx with the NBA. And you could probably directly attribute that to Vince Carter and the role that he played in Toronto. All right. Also NFL tried. Boy, did they try to get rid of the tush push. They were two votes away. Now do I think it's going to go away next year? I do. I thought that the commissioner had the requisite number of votes that this was going to happen. And then, you know, and go back to when we're at the draft and the packers coach, Matt LaFleur, he said that they kind of nudged the packers to put their name behind it. You guys, hey, you guys take a bullet for us. Yeah, I guess the packers want to get rid of the tush push. Okay, then they didn't have the number of votes. Then all of a sudden they table it. Then they're like, dang, we gotta work. We gotta work backroom dealings here. And I think they thought. And then Jason Kelsey went in, and here he is, the former Eagles center, and he talked about the safety of the play, that he would continue to play if that's the only play that he was in on. He said it's that safe. Now they're trying to bring up health data and it's not there. They're trying to bring up injuries. It's not there. They just don't want something this predictable. I have no problem with the play. I don't. But I think you could have and. And, you know, blame the NFL for this. They're the ones that change the rule for some reason. There's no reason to remove the rule for pushing the ball carrier, and they did that back in 2004. So you slowly open up the door for the Eagles to do this, and they've mastered it. So I'm going to punish a team because we were the ones on watch. We were the lifeguards, and we allowed this to happen. The NFL created this. They blame themselves. You opened the door and the Eagles mastered this. I don't think you can punish one team this way. It's like Bill Belichick and the Patriots read the rule book differently than anybody else. I can't punish them for being smarter, better, more prepared. Oh, they're doing it. They're cheating. Well, not everything they did, they cheated. They were just smarter.

Fox Sports Radio (27:01)

If they're a 5 and 12 team? It's not the national phenomenon. I'm not being asked to go on the NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt to talk about the Tush push. If it's not a run by a team that just won the Super Bowl. It's just, it's a different, it's a different conversation. But I would say this, Dan, think about the number of health and safety related rules that have passed over, let's call it the last two decades. If you watch a tape, forget the 70s and 80s, you watch a game from the 90s, the early 2000, it's completely different because of, you know, the hits on defenseless receivers that you're not allowed to do now, where you're allowed to hit the quarterback. All the things that went into taking the crown of the helmet out of the game. You know, trying to emphasize the spearing rules, they're all health and safety related changes. This is, and I've covered the league over 20 years, this is the first time that I can remember that you had the competition committee strongly in favor of a health and safety related ban on a play. That you had the medical committees, that you had, the medical people with the NFL all saying this needs to be outlawed and it did not pass. But this was also the first time that a rule was brought forth with health and safety related reasons to do it where there was no injury data. So that's the complicated part here is usually these health and safety rules, it's like a rubber stamp because it's, hey, we want to make the game safer, we want to avoid lawsuits, we want to avoid liability, all those things, but usually have injury data to back it up. In this case, what you're arguing is, hey, no injuries have occurred. It's been run, what, 120 times last year? So it's been run maybe 300 times in NFL history. But the biomechanics, the posture, the amount of mass and force, and this could lead to something dangerous that ultimately was not a compelling enough reason to get the two extra votes. Now we'll see. The NFL is a big data gathering operation. You know, whether it's from an injury perspective, from a, how many times is this run a success rate? All those things are going to go into, you know, whether or not this potentially comes up again in 2026.

Fox Sports Radio (32:15)

Well, the I would say this. There's enthusiasm at every level of this from the stakeholders from the league office who see this as part of their global expansion plans to the teams that like the idea of, again, making more money. Because if you can continue to increase international revenue, that's only going to help the value of your franchises. The players, you know, for the most part, not everybody. There are some guys who have said, I, I'm not going to get involved with that. I don't make money to play flag football, but a lot of players are going to want to do it here. But I would say the NFLPA also has expressed, you know, enthusiasm for this, but they still got to work out and some of these rules. There's questions about injury protections and insur. And, you know, even though this is going to happen in the early portion of the 2028 games, and so it's going to end before training camps, there's still going to be some players who go, wait, I'm using my whole off time, my whole spring and summer to get ready for this. And then I'm just going to plop down two days later and go into training camp. So there's some questions there. You know, unions defend wages, benefits, working conditions, and all those things are subject to further evaluation here. So those are going to be ongoing conversations. They're going to actually have to come to an agreement. There's like a round, okay, we like this idea. We all want to make more money. Let's work on this together. But the details still have to be worked out in terms of, you know, how the process works over the next few years. And I asked this question to a bunch of the people who've been involved in these conversations. You know, just like every other Olympic sport, there's like different qualifying things. And there are national teams and, you know, you have this vision of, okay, the, you know, you might have. Let's say, you know, forget Team USA for a second because that's the team that's going to have the most options. But let's say you're Korea and you've got, hey, we can get Kyler Murray, we get Kyle Hamilton. We're not going to have him until 2028. Well, you're going to have to qualify before that. And if the current Korean national team isn't any good, those guys are going to get left out. So that stuff, from my understanding, really starts next year and then heats up in 2027. So this is going to be kind of an ongoing evolution in terms of what does this look like. Every national body is going to approach this differently. I would certainly anticipate USA Football fully embraces this and wants all the NFL players, even though you've got, you know, the current Team USA quarterback saying, you know, I think I'm better than Patrick Mahomes. And I said that. So I had Justin Jefferson come on the Insiders the other night, and I brought that up. I'm like, you got this guy. I'm like, there any doubt in your mind that NFL players could be better than the current flag players? He's like, well, man, they, you know, they know the game, but you know, Patrick Mahomes, like, good luck, dude. Like, there's no way. There's no way you're getting that spot from him.