Hour 2 – Tush Push Ban Fails, Tom Pelissero

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 2: Tush Push Ban Fails, Tom Pelissero

Release Date: May 22, 2025

Introduction

In the second hour of The Dan Patrick Show, hosted by Dan Patrick alongside co-hosts Ryan and Dylan, the conversation delves deep into recent developments in the NFL, the evolving landscape of the NBA MVP race, and a thrilling recap of a Knicks vs. Pacers game. The episode balances serious sports analysis with lighthearted banter, ensuring an engaging experience for listeners.

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NFL's Attempt to Ban the "Tush Push" Play

One of the central discussions revolves around the NFL's recent attempt to eliminate the "tush push"—a controversial play favored by the Philadelphia Eagles. The hosts dissect the intricacies of the rule change attempt, the voting dynamics among NFL teams, and the broader implications for the league.

• Voting Outcome and Leadership Efforts

  Dan Patrick initiates the conversation by highlighting the narrow vote that kept the "tush push" alive:

  "They were two votes away. Now do I think it's going to go away next year? I do." [10:02]

  The conversation touches upon the efforts of Packers coach Matt LaFleur and former Eagles center Jason Kelce in advocating for the play. Kelce's defense emphasizes the safety and strategy behind the "tush push":

  "He would continue to play if that's the only play that he was in on. He said it's safe." [09:55]

• Health and Safety Concerns

  Dylan raises questions about the NFL's rationale for banning the play, especially in the absence of significant injury data:

  "It's a health and safety related ban on a play. That you had the medical people with the NFL all saying this needs to be outlawed and it did not pass." [28:57]

  The hosts debate whether the NFL is being proactive or reactive in its approach to player safety, comparing it to previous rule changes aimed at reducing injuries.

• Comparisons to Deflategate and Rule Interpretations

  Ryan draws parallels between the current situation and past controversies like Deflategate, questioning the consistency in the NFL's enforcement of rules:

  "You can't punish them for being smarter, better, more prepared. Oh, they're doing it. They're just smarter." [10:02]

NBA MVP Race and the Rise of Foreign Players

Shifting focus to basketball, the hosts discuss Shea Gilgis Alexander's MVP win and the increasing influence of international players in the NBA.

• Impact of Foreign Players

  Ryan and Dan explore how players like Vince Carter have paved the way for Canadian athletes to excel in the league:

  "It feels like Shea Gilgis Alexander was a direct effect of what Vince Carter did in the early 2000s." [07:18]

  The conversation highlights the shift in the NBA landscape, where the top talents are increasingly coming from outside the United States, enhancing the global appeal of the league.

• Dan’s Insight on Canadian Influence

  Dan adds depth to the discussion by attributing current successes to Carter's legacy:

  "You can see the influence that he had on Canadian basketball." [07:18]

Knicks vs. Pacers: A Nail-Biting Comeback

A major highlight of the episode is the detailed recap of the Knicks vs. Pacers game, where the Pacers overcame a significant deficit to win in overtime.

• Game Breakdown

  The hosts vividly recount the dramatic turnaround, emphasizing key moments and strategic plays:

  "When you think about it, you're up 14. You got under three minutes to go. You're at home. All right, take that, Pacers." [04:00]

• Recreation of Kevin Harlan's Call

  In a fun segment, Ryan invites Tom Pelissero to recreate the iconic commentary by Kevin Harlan, capturing the excitement of the game's final seconds:

  "Seven seconds remaining in regulation 125. 123, New York. The Knicks led by his money is 17, by 14 with under three and by nine with less than a minute." [23:16]

  The accurate recreation garners praise from Marv, who comments on Dan's performance:

  "The verbal cadence, the speed, the number of words per second is dead on." [24:06]

Personal Anecdotes and Lighthearted Banter

Interspersed with serious discussions, the hosts engage in personal stories and playful interactions, enhancing the show's relatable and entertaining atmosphere.

• Party Bus Stories

  Dan shares his experience on a party bus returning from the Sports Emmys, highlighting the challenges of entertaining while dealing with exhaustion:

  "I was fighting through exhaustion, part of it, trying to entertain the troops, but being rude." [15:01]

• Apologies and Host Dynamics

  The camaraderie among the hosts is evident as they navigate moments of tension, such as when Dan apologizes for mishearing Ryan:

  "I have an astigmatism. It kind of looked like you reported me. I apologize." [22:44]

Interactive Segments: Rhyme Time and Pick Six

To engage listeners further, the show features interactive segments like "Rhyme Time" and the "Pick Six" game, allowing audience participation and adding a competitive edge to the broadcast.

• Rhyme Time

  The hosts attempt to create rhymes based on given prompts, showcasing their creativity and sense of humor:

  "Camry Accord is that. We're off to a great start. Camry Accord. Left side. Right side is Dallas." [48:20]

• Pick Six

  Leveraging DraftKings, the "Pick Six" game invites listeners to predict game outcomes, offering a chance to win real cash:

  "Ready to win some real cash during the basketball playoffs? Check out Pick Six from DraftKings." [43:43]

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Notable Quotes

• "They table it. They thought they needed to work backroom dealings." – Ryan [10:02]
• "Shea Gilgis Alexander was a direct effect of what Vince Carter did in the early 2000s." – Dan Patrick [07:18]
• "When you think about it, you're up 14. You got under three minutes to go. You're at home. All right, take that, Pacers." – Ryan [04:00]
• "The verbal cadence, the speed, the number of words per second is dead on." – Marv [24:06]

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Conclusion

Hour two of The Dan Patrick Show offers a comprehensive analysis of pivotal sports topics, enriched by the hosts' dynamic interactions and engaging segments. Whether you're a dedicated sports enthusiast or a casual listener, this episode delivers insightful commentary, memorable moments, and plenty of entertainment.

Transcript

[Dan Patrick]

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[Ryan]

It's hour two on this Thursday. We're treating it as a meat Thursday because we won't be here tomorrow, but we have pulled pork sliders, we have Philly cheesesteak sliders, lobster rolls and we have lobster bisque. And all of this on King's Hawaiian Slider Buns. Who has it better than we do?

[Dan Patrick]

Nobody.

[Ryan]

Yes, Fritz, he's here, the minister of humor. Also, Seaton, Marv Paulie's out today, yours truly and also the Brgs. Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, thank you for downloading the app and our radio affiliates around the country over 400 cities that carry the program stat of the day, as always, brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the program. We'll head to the NFL owners meetings coming up. We'll talk to Tom Petero, the great insider for NFL Network will stop by. Also, Chris Weber, hall of Famer, will stop by. We'll recap what happened at the Garden last night. C. Webb was on those great Sacramento teams and I thought they were going to knock off the Lakers. They were up by 24 on the Lakers at home and lost a playoff.

[Dylan]

Game to them 22,002.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Dylan]

That'S a tough series for Sacramento.

[Ryan]

But they didn't blow it like in the fourth quarter the way the Knicks did last night in historical fashion. When you think about it, you're up 14. You got under three minutes to go. You're at home. All right, take that, Pacers. And then all of a sudden Indiana comes back and wins it. They tie it and send it into overtime. And here is the call by Kevin Harlan, Indiana with it, Halliburton. He'll take it. He'll backpedal a three for the win.

[Fox Sports Radio]

Oh.

[Ryan]

That'S Kevin Harland on the call with Reggie Miller. And then Halberton, thinking he had won the game, gave the choke sign and of course, it went into overtime and the Pacers ended up winning. But when you look at the numbers, that's why when somebody says, oh, it's impossible or that's not going to happen or that can't happen, they have no chance. Teams leading by at least 14 points in the final 2 minutes and 45 seconds of a fourth quarter were 994 and oh, since 1997. The day. Start of the day. Stat of the day. This is the start of the day. Stat of the day Brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards, the Dan Patrick show. You have game two tonight. Timberwolves and the Thunder. Shea Gilgis Alexander received the NBA MVP last night. If you look at the impact of the 1992 Dream Team, so that's 33 years ago. Just look at the math. The last eight years in the NBA has seen the dominance of the foreign born player. SGA is from Canada. The last MVP was Russell Westbrook. Or was that James Harden? American born mvp.

[Dylan]

I think it's Harden, then Westbrook. Is that what it was like 2018? Maybe 2017, 2018.

[Ryan]

Never underestimate the impact that the 1994 Dream Team had. Because we look at it from the perspective of, oh, you had Mike and Larry and Magic and we dominated. Well, the rest of the world looked at it as, gosh, we got a long way to go to catch up with them. Let's start developing our talent here. We may not, we may be a soccer nation, but let's be a basketball nation as well. We want to be like Mike or Kobe or Magic or Larry. And look at the foreign born players and the dominance that you have. You could say the top five players in the game are not from the United States. Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Mark, we can't forget the influence of Vince Carter in Canada.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Like it feels like Shea Gilgis Alexander was a direct effect of what Vince Carter did in the early 2000s. Obviously he's not a direct, you know, competitor or whatever towards Vince Carter, but you can see the influence that he had on Canadian basketball.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Yes. And there are a lot of great Canadian basketball players that we've seen influx with the NBA. And you could probably directly attribute that to Vince Carter and the role that he played in Toronto. All right. Also NFL tried. Boy, did they try to get rid of the tush push. They were two votes away. Now do I think it's going to go away next year? I do. I thought that the commissioner had the requisite number of votes that this was going to happen. And then, you know, and go back to when we're at the draft and the packers coach, Matt LaFleur, he said that they kind of nudged the packers to put their name behind it. You guys, hey, you guys take a bullet for us. Yeah, I guess the packers want to get rid of the tush push. Okay, then they didn't have the number of votes. Then all of a sudden they table it. Then they're like, dang, we gotta work. We gotta work backroom dealings here. And I think they thought. And then Jason Kelsey went in, and here he is, the former Eagles center, and he talked about the safety of the play, that he would continue to play if that's the only play that he was in on. He said it's that safe. Now they're trying to bring up health data and it's not there. They're trying to bring up injuries. It's not there. They just don't want something this predictable. I have no problem with the play. I don't. But I think you could have and. And, you know, blame the NFL for this. They're the ones that change the rule for some reason. There's no reason to remove the rule for pushing the ball carrier, and they did that back in 2004. So you slowly open up the door for the Eagles to do this, and they've mastered it. So I'm going to punish a team because we were the ones on watch. We were the lifeguards, and we allowed this to happen. The NFL created this. They blame themselves. You opened the door and the Eagles mastered this. I don't think you can punish one team this way. It's like Bill Belichick and the Patriots read the rule book differently than anybody else. I can't punish them for being smarter, better, more prepared. Oh, they're doing it. They're cheating. Well, not everything they did, they cheated. They were just smarter.

[Dylan]

Specifically, which ones do you agree with, just out of curiosity?

[Ryan]

Well, you know where I stand on Deflategate. It's silly. Tom shouldn't have lied. The fact that Aaron Rodgers said I over inflate footballs and no one cared. Tom Brady and the Patriots, and they have a guy. Okay, first of all, you can't have a guy named the Deflator. Did Aaron Rodgers have a guy named the Overinflator? That would have been a dead giveaway. But the NFL has only themselves to blame for this. For some reason, they're like, you know what? You can push and pull. You can treat a ball carrier like he's a piece of taffy. That's okay. The Eagles were still going to be successful. If. If you don't have this, they're still going to be successful. Every other team can run this. Every other team has this opportunity. Why is it only the Eagles have mastered this? That would be my question to the other teams. Now. Is it going away yes. They want it to go away. I understand that it looks predictable. Also, and I mentioned this to Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk last hour. If let's say the Carolina Panthers had mastered this, no one cares. This is about the Eagles have mastered it. Therefore it's an unfair advantage if Carolina's doing it. No one cares. Oh my God. Are we going to care about safety? No, no one will care. This has to do with it's the Eagles. But the NFL doesn't want to make it seem like, hey, we're singling out the Eagles. While you single out the Eagles poll question for hour two is going to be what seat? No, Connor.

[Dylan]

Oh man. Let's see. We got up there right now a very specific poll question. The choke symbol last night was awesome. Or a mistake. Right now that is staying at about 50, 50 this it keeps going back and forth just by a couple percent. 52 here, 48 there.

[Ryan]

Well, it's a good thing they won, that's all.

[Dylan]

It's a lot of series left.

[Ryan]

Yes. A lot of series left. Yes.

[Dylan]

All right, that feels tough.

[Ryan]

So you got Timberwolves and the Thunder tonight, game two, Panthers, Hurricanes, game two as well. The passing of Jim, her saying the Colts are owner. And I, I said that the one thing that will always resonate with me with Jim, aside for his love for music and collecting guitars, is that he was the the only owner to put his name to let's get rid of Daniel Snyder with Washington commanders, the only guy who did that. And he didn't care what the pushback was going to be. He didn't care if they weren't going to get the right number of owners to agree with him. But he stood behind it for the betterment of the NFL and I applaud him for that. Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Marvin, around the NFL and NFL circles, was Jim Ursay considered to be a good owner? I know he's a famous owner, but was he considered a good owner?

[Ryan]

I think he was a player friendly owner. Tony Dungy would talk glowingly about Jim, that Jim let you do your job. And I think anybody who is employed once, you don't want a heavy hand on you. You don't want to be under somebody's thumb. And I think by all accounts, Jim loved being an owner. Jim battled a lot. He battled drugs and alcohol. He talked, you know, about mental health awareness. But I believe by all accounts he was considered a very good player owner. I did receive a letter today, Todd.

[Dan Patrick]

You did?

[Ryan]

Yeah. Dear Dan Patrick show I turned off the show again the other day Because I'm tired of Dan and Fritzi going at it. Here's what I hear. Todd says something Dan doesn't like. Todd defends himself. Dan gives him more grief and keeps the harassment going. Todd can't just stop. And so on and so on. It's tedious, demeaning and tiresome. Do it off the air. Sincerely, Bruce. In Moses Lake was. How about I promise to not do that. If you promise not to say stupid things, then I promise not to call you out on that.

[Dan Patrick]

That is a big ask right there.

[Dylan]

That's a big ask on both part. I don't know whose ask it is larger. You for not Todd not saying stupid things or you not finding the things he's saying stupid.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

And sometimes I think I'm saying something remotely intelligent and the rest of the room thinks it's stupid. And like, so I don't know in the moment until it's voted upon by the gang here, like just said something.

[Ryan]

Did you realize though, on the party bus coming up, back from the epic loss at the sports Emmys, that 90 minutes of standup singing, telling jokes to no one in particular might have been too much?

[Dan Patrick]

Briefly, briefly came up. But I'll tell you, I was quiet at first. And then I got like this sudden boost of energy. I was losing my mind a little in this tube that we were in. Even though it was a nice party, but it felt like we were in a giant MRI after a while, the construction and lanes closing and getting back at one o' clock in the morning. But yeah, I could. I could be a little much.

[Ryan]

And then you had no energy yesterday.

[Dan Patrick]

And then I. Yeah, and then. I don't want to say I melded in, but I was tired. I was fighting through exhaustion, part of it, trying to entertain the troops, but being rude.

[Ryan]

We just.

[Dan Patrick]

Marvin and Sean were trying to sleep.

[Ryan]

Nobody asked to be entertained.

[Dan Patrick]

No one asked to be entertained.

[Ryan]

Some of the guys were saying nobody. When you saw people sleeping. Now that might happen in your stand up act, but this was on the bus. We're all coming back late at night. Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Apologize to your wife, though. She didn't have to be put through that. That was.

[Dylan]

Yes, Todd did say yesterday that maybe it was helping him deal with some like car sickness or feeling claustrophobic or something.

[Ryan]

It's funny, I was feeling sickness too.

[Dylan]

I was feeling sickness as well. However, I do understand why Todd. Maybe if he was doing that, then I would understand.

[Dan Patrick]

It did help to move around a little bit. My mouth going nonstop for an hour and a half. I don't know what that would necessarily have to do with, you know, but I did the last time we went to the awards. I started feeling pale and got a little dizzy with the bumping of the bus. That wasn't. Yeah, okay, but I had some graham crackers. I had some Mountain Dew. I cleared it right up, told myself some jokes for an hour and a half, and here we go.

[Dylan]

It was a bumpy ride.

[Ryan]

It was. It was. But nobody else got up and did stand up or did, you know, singing songs. They did not just say, are you.

[Dan Patrick]

So mean to him? I told you, it's a no win situation.

[Fox Sports Radio]

We've got through this.

[Dan Patrick]

If I say something, it's like, come on, we're just having fun, content. Don't be, you know, take things so seriously. And if I don't say anything, then I get the. I can't believe you take the crap from everybody.

[Dylan]

You're not wrong about that. You're not. You're not wrong.

[Ryan]

Yeah, I mean, there's a reaction. I get it. There's a visceral reaction to our conversations. And as I tell you, I love you, I just don't always like you.

[Dan Patrick]

That's fair.

[Ryan]

That's all.

[Dan Patrick]

23 years. You're going to get some of that. Some of that will happen.

[Ryan]

Yeah. I'm sure your wife would say the same thing about me. Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, that's true.

[Ryan]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Especially when I get frisky, like on a Friday night.

[Dylan]

See, we don't need that.

[Dan Patrick]

Like, I don't want inappropriate. I didn't say anything in detail.

[Dylan]

We don't need that.

[Ryan]

Ryan in Austin. Hi, Ryan. What's on your mind tonight? Hey, D.P. and the boys. I have a request. But first, Graham crackers and Mountain Dew. That's. It's like what my three year old wants. I was wondering if we could get the minister of humor to do his rendition of the Pacers Knicks Mayhem call last night. I feel like it would be much better. Better. Thank you. Okay. All right, Ryan. Okay. All right, once again. How about we take a break? Fritzy? We could do that and then maybe you recreate. We'll play Kevin. Kevin Harland's call.

[Dan Patrick]

Why not?

[Ryan]

And then you'll do your version of Kevin Harland's call. Let's do it. Okay. Once again. Now, am I setting you up for failure? I just want to make sure you're comfortable with this.

[Dan Patrick]

I am. Can I just kind of go up script? Do I have to do use the exact words that you can change it.

[Ryan]

You can do whatever you want. Yes, you're the minister of humor. Do whatever you want. All right, let me take a break. We'll head to the owner's meetings coming up. I know that the tush push passed, but it feels like it's temporary. Feels like it's, it's got a, a year expiration date. Have that for you coming up. And Chris Weber will join us in the final hour of the program. C. Webb back after this Dan Patrick show.

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21/ terms and conditions apply before we speak to Tom Pelissero, NFL Network Insider. Fritzi was going to recreate the call from Kevin Harlan last night on tnt. This was the game tying basket. So here's Kevin Harlan with the call with Reggie Miller.

[Dan Patrick]

So Here we go. Seven seconds remaining in regulation 125.

[Ryan]

Wait, I was going to play Kevin Harlan and then.

[Dylan]

Simple mistake.

[Ryan]

Yeah, it's okay. So it was like, did you see me when I pointed to Marvin? So then he would play the Kevin Harlan call.

[Dan Patrick]

I have an astigmatism. It kind of looked like you reported me. I apologize. I don't have it. I just wasn't paying attention.

[Ryan]

Okay, Indiana with it. Hella Burton. He'll take it. He'll backpedal a three for the win. Okay, that's Kevin Harlan on TNT. Fritzi, your turn.

[Dan Patrick]

So here we go. Seven seconds remaining in regulation. 125. 123, New York. The Knicks led by his money is 17, by 14 with under three and by nine with less than a minute. Halliburton trying to drive the lane. He's met by Mitchell Robinson. Dodge back out to take a three.

[Fox Sports Radio]

It's good.

[Todd]

It's good.

[Dan Patrick]

Tyrese is being mobbed by his Pacer teammates as he does the Reggie Miller choke sign. To the Knick fans and the delight of my broadcast partner, Reggie Miller. Courtside, right here with me. They're going to take another look at it. It's only a two. We're going to overtime. We'll pay some bills. This is the NBA on tnt.

[Ryan]

Oh, my God. You are. You are bright red, can take a breath. Tom Pellissero, NFL Network Insider. You didn't know you were going to get that, did you, Tom?

[Fox Sports Radio]

You know, the. The verbal cadence, the speed, the number of words per second is dead on. Kevin Harlan. I grew up watching Kevin Harlan call in Timberwolves games when they were absolutely awful from about 1989 to the mid-90s. And they'd be down 40 points, and Kevin McHale would be sitting next to Kevin eating popcorn on the air. The only thing I would say with Kevin. You're a little in the nose, Fritzi. I think you got to get it down. It's a little more down here when you do it. You got to be a little deeper in the throat. That's the only critique I would have. But again, beautiful. Nine out of ten.

[Dan Patrick]

Noted. Thank you.

[Ryan]

All right. Okay. What happened yesterday, late in the morning, and Jason Kelsey's role in keeping the tush push In NFL vernacular, it's hard.

[Fox Sports Radio]

To say how many people were actually swayed by anything that happened in the room. Dan, I would tell you the people I talked to before the meeting who told me we're going to vote to get rid of the Tush push, they voted against. The people who told me we're going to vote against this. This ban, they voted against the ban. But there was certainly, you know, a compelling case. And, you know, as I said, I'm sitting there right outside the room, and I see Jeffrey Lurie, a couple other Eagles officials, and Jason walking. And I said to. I go, jeffrey, bringing in the big guns. He goes, absolutely. This was a very, you know, orchestrated plan for them to counter some of the narratives that have been going around about, you know, did Jason Kelsey actually like running this play? Was it actually a reason that he decided to, you know, stop playing in the NFL? I'll tell you this. You know, even though this did not pass, 22 out of 32 teams voted to ban it. Yeah, 22. That's. That's over 2/3 of the teams in the league voted to eliminate not just the twitch push, but all push plays. In the end, it's 24. It's a high bar. It's supposed to be a high bar. You know, they weren't able to pass it. You know, what role would Kelsey and Lurie actually play? I know what the narratives are. I know what the quotes are that are out there. I got the sense this was always going to be close, but there was a sense going into the meeting that they thought the people who were proponents thought they were going to have the votes. Ultimately, they came up too short.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Because I don't think the commissioner tables this and then brings it back without having the. The number of votes needed to get rid of it, that he clearly wants to get rid of it. If he has to nudge the packers to say, put your name to this, that you want it out. And, you know, if you're the packers, you come off as, you know, poor losers. Hey, you know, we. We get beat by them now, we don't want it in the league. And. And the point that I brought up earlier, if this is Carolina, does anybody care if Carolina can run this successfully? I mean, let's be honest. Does anybody object to them doing this if they were extremely successful?

[Fox Sports Radio]

If they're a 5 and 12 team? It's not the national phenomenon. I'm not being asked to go on the NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt to talk about the Tush push. If it's not a run by a team that just won the Super Bowl. It's just, it's a different, it's a different conversation. But I would say this, Dan, think about the number of health and safety related rules that have passed over, let's call it the last two decades. If you watch a tape, forget the 70s and 80s, you watch a game from the 90s, the early 2000, it's completely different because of, you know, the hits on defenseless receivers that you're not allowed to do now, where you're allowed to hit the quarterback. All the things that went into taking the crown of the helmet out of the game. You know, trying to emphasize the spearing rules, they're all health and safety related changes. This is, and I've covered the league over 20 years, this is the first time that I can remember that you had the competition committee strongly in favor of a health and safety related ban on a play. That you had the medical committees, that you had, the medical people with the NFL all saying this needs to be outlawed and it did not pass. But this was also the first time that a rule was brought forth with health and safety related reasons to do it where there was no injury data. So that's the complicated part here is usually these health and safety rules, it's like a rubber stamp because it's, hey, we want to make the game safer, we want to avoid lawsuits, we want to avoid liability, all those things, but usually have injury data to back it up. In this case, what you're arguing is, hey, no injuries have occurred. It's been run, what, 120 times last year? So it's been run maybe 300 times in NFL history. But the biomechanics, the posture, the amount of mass and force, and this could lead to something dangerous that ultimately was not a compelling enough reason to get the two extra votes. Now we'll see. The NFL is a big data gathering operation. You know, whether it's from an injury perspective, from a, how many times is this run a success rate? All those things are going to go into, you know, whether or not this potentially comes up again in 2026.

[Ryan]

Yeah, it will. But I also, I don't have a problem if the league says we don't have health data to get rid of this play. But unlike the kickoff, we want to be proactive, not reactive to this. We want to get out in front of this. It's just like, you know, their player safety. I'm, I'm all for that. But I also think, just like with an onside kick there's inherent danger when you play football. You sign up for this. And that's what I don't understand. With the onside kick, I get okay, but it's football now. You're kind of trying to bring it back. Now we want to have a few more kickoffs coming back. Like, it's either one or it's either this or nothing. Like, I don't think you can kind of go, you know, it not, not. Not many guys got hurt on kickoffs last year that we thought, hey, how about we do this or the onside kick? How about you kick from the 34, not the 35? Like, what are we doing?

[Fox Sports Radio]

Well, with the broader. The onside kick is a function of the kickoff rule. Because of the alignment on the dynamic kickoff, you can't onside kick from that formation. So, yes, you eliminate all the element of surprise, which is. That's the baseline issue here. This is, you know, realistically, there were 50 onsite kicks last year. Three got recovered. That's 6%. The historic rates are like 12%. So you're not thinking this is suddenly going to lead to, you know, 20 more recoveries. You're just hoping you get a couple more. You see what happens here. But without the element of surprise, it makes things really, really difficult. There's not a clear answer, you know, to go back to the broader kickoff issue that was about, you're trying to reduce the space and speed. It's physics is what it is. You're going, okay, last year they wanted the return rate to be really low to make sure that the injury rate went down. Now, okay, it seems like this is a positive change. Now let's change the touchback rule. Let's try to generate more returns and see if that continues to go forward. The NFL generally does these things very incrementally to make sure that it's not like the pass interference review disaster back in 2019 where they passed the rule before they wrote it and then nobody could enforce it and finally it's went off, forget it. We're just not going to overturn anything. That's what they want to avoid. On site kick, though. There's just, there's not a clear answer here unless you really seriously consider the thing that Philadelphia has been proposing for the last probably five, six years, which is a fourth and whatever, fourth and 20, let's call it alternative, where it's one play, it's make it take it. That would be a fundamental change to the game. To some people who think it's gimmicky but ultimately, Dan, that that might be somewhere along the line where we end up.

[Ryan]

Tom Pedicero, NFL Network insider. You can see him on the insiders on NFL Network. That's weeknights at 7 Eastern. Everybody's all excited about the Olympics. Everybody's ready to go. They want their medals. I'm just curious the owner's reaction. Now, they had to pass this, but they also have to allow their players to be able to play or try out. I'm guessing, how does this work if I'm an owner and Patrick Mahomes goes, man, I'd love to have a gold medal. Well, I'd love to have another Super Bowl, Patrick, so I don't want to risk you getting hurt. How does this work and not hurt feelings?

[Fox Sports Radio]

Well, the I would say this. There's enthusiasm at every level of this from the stakeholders from the league office who see this as part of their global expansion plans to the teams that like the idea of, again, making more money. Because if you can continue to increase international revenue, that's only going to help the value of your franchises. The players, you know, for the most part, not everybody. There are some guys who have said, I, I'm not going to get involved with that. I don't make money to play flag football, but a lot of players are going to want to do it here. But I would say the NFLPA also has expressed, you know, enthusiasm for this, but they still got to work out and some of these rules. There's questions about injury protections and insur. And, you know, even though this is going to happen in the early portion of the 2028 games, and so it's going to end before training camps, there's still going to be some players who go, wait, I'm using my whole off time, my whole spring and summer to get ready for this. And then I'm just going to plop down two days later and go into training camp. So there's some questions there. You know, unions defend wages, benefits, working conditions, and all those things are subject to further evaluation here. So those are going to be ongoing conversations. They're going to actually have to come to an agreement. There's like a round, okay, we like this idea. We all want to make more money. Let's work on this together. But the details still have to be worked out in terms of, you know, how the process works over the next few years. And I asked this question to a bunch of the people who've been involved in these conversations. You know, just like every other Olympic sport, there's like different qualifying things. And there are national teams and, you know, you have this vision of, okay, the, you know, you might have. Let's say, you know, forget Team USA for a second because that's the team that's going to have the most options. But let's say you're Korea and you've got, hey, we can get Kyler Murray, we get Kyle Hamilton. We're not going to have him until 2028. Well, you're going to have to qualify before that. And if the current Korean national team isn't any good, those guys are going to get left out. So that stuff, from my understanding, really starts next year and then heats up in 2027. So this is going to be kind of an ongoing evolution in terms of what does this look like. Every national body is going to approach this differently. I would certainly anticipate USA Football fully embraces this and wants all the NFL players, even though you've got, you know, the current Team USA quarterback saying, you know, I think I'm better than Patrick Mahomes. And I said that. So I had Justin Jefferson come on the Insiders the other night, and I brought that up. I'm like, you got this guy. I'm like, there any doubt in your mind that NFL players could be better than the current flag players? He's like, well, man, they, you know, they know the game, but you know, Patrick Mahomes, like, good luck, dude. Like, there's no way. There's no way you're getting that spot from him.

[Ryan]

Good to talk to you, Tom. Thanks for joining us, as always.

[Fox Sports Radio]

Thanks for having me, Dan.

[Ryan]

That's Tom Pelissero. He's part of the NFL Network Insiders weeknights at 7 Eastern. Although I will say, this quarterback who is, you know, talking a big game, you play that port, that, that style of football, flag football, differently. I'm not saying he's better than Patrick Mahomes. He might be better at flag football than Patrick Mahomes. As crazy as that's going to sound.

[Dylan]

It'S definitely a different game.

[Ryan]

If you watch him play, you watch this guy play, it is. It's. Now, to me, Jaden Daniels would be the guy that. That would be my quarterback. Like, I want you to be running, running away from people. Athletic. All you know, Mahomes is athletic. You're not. You're not running away from anybody. But we got a long way to go before we get there. Couple of phone calls in Marin, in California. Good morning, Marin. What's on your mind? Hi, I'm calling about My dad. It's his birthday today. Okay. He's a longtime listener and just loves the show. Okay, could you tell me a little more about your dad, Ian Gerbo? He was showing every day. He listens on the way to practice. He listens.

[Fox Sports Radio]

Sucker.

[Ryan]

On my way to basketball. And. And what's his name? Ian Gerbo. Ian. All right. Well, Marin, thank. Thank you for calling up Ian. Happy birthday.

[Dylan]

Husband, father, coach.

[Ryan]

Let's see. Jay in Delaware. Hi, Jay. What's on your mind? Hey, Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

Good morning and condolences. You guys definitely deserve that. The other night, you know what you really need on this neat Thursday? A really big state. And I also called about Jason Kelsey. I thought it was pretty convenient that all of a sudden he's coming out to protect the play. When he first retired on his podcast, he straight up said to his brother that he hated that play and he was glad he never had to run it again.

[Ryan]

I think that's fair to bring that back up, Jay. You're right, because the center, to me, is the one who pays the price. Out of all the players with the tush push, it's the center. But Jason Kelsey going door to door at the owner's meetings saying it's a safe play. Okay, Bob in Montana. Hi, Bob. Welcome back. Oh, hey, thanks, dp. Hey, I'm gonna go off script a little bit. I'm actually working in Spokane right now. If you need me to go out to Moses Lake and pay Bruce a visit and re educate him on how great the show is, you just let me know. You know, hey, we have people who react like this that they either tell Fritzi, don't take that gruff from Dan, or they agree with me that Fritzi needs to listen to me more. But, but. But thank you, Bob. I don't need you to be my enforcer here. Bob, by the way, has to pay up on a bet. He said we were winning. We were winning the sports Emmy, and if not, he'd take a pie to the face and send us a bottle of bourbon. So Bob sent another bottle of bourbon and sent us a video of you taking a pie to the face. Zach in Iowa. Hi, Zach. What's on your mind today? Good morning, Dan. It's Zach from Iowa, Actually joined by first time caller Maverick Patrick. Eight pounds, nine ounces, one week old today. We just wanted to call in and say hello. Actually, a merch idea. I think a baby onesie with the first time collar across the chest might be an idea for you. I like that. We talked about a onesie a while ago.

[Dylan]

Yeah, we've done onesies here and there.

[Ryan]

Yeah, maybe we'll revisit that, Zach. And congratulations on Maverick there. Good luck. Get your sleep. You got to be strategic with a newborn because those naps, when they have two naps and then all of a sudden they go down to one nap, and then all of a sudden maybe that nap doesn't go as long as you think and you're trying to get stuff done and you're going really quiet around the house. Dog barks yes.

[Dylan]

Yeah, that's why I forget about the stuff you got to do. Sleep when they sleep.

[Ryan]

Yes.

[Dylan]

You know, don't worry. Everything else can wait. It doesn't matter. You sleep when they sleep, man. Take those Z's.

[Ryan]

Yeah. All right, we'll take a break. More phone calls coming up. And are we gonna do our pick six? We're gonna do our Heck yeah. Yeah. More or less bet coming up here, I think. All right, we'll take a break. We're back after this.

[Fox Sports Radio]

Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

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The American west with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network. Hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores and brought to you by Velvet Buck, this podcast looks at a West available nowhere else. Each episode I'll be diving into some of the lesser known histories of the West. I'll then be joined in conversation by guests such as Western historian Dr. Randall Williams and best selling author and Meat Eater founder Stephen Rinella.

[Ryan]

I'll correct my kids now and then where they'll say when cave people were here and I'll say it seems like the Ice Age people that were here didn't have a real affinity for caves.

[Fox Sports Radio]

So join me starting Tuesday, May 6th where we'll delve into stories of the west and come to understand how it helps inform the ways in which we experience the region today.

[Ryan]

Listen to the American west with Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

Flores on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts.

[Fox Sports Radio]

Or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ryan]

Todd's got rhyme time coming up. Do you want to do this now or would you rather wait till the top of the hour?

[Dan Patrick]

Whatever you like. I have it ready to go, but I know we have other things to attend to. It can wait till the top.

[Ryan]

Okay, how about I do this, we do our pick six from DraftKings. All right. And then if we have time on the back end of it, we'll do rhyme time. If not, we'll do it at the top.

[Dan Patrick]

Lovely idea by you.

[Ryan]

So, ready to win some real cash during the basketball playoffs? Check out pick 6 from DraftKings. Download DraftKings pick 6 app now use Code Patrick. So Code Patrick, new customers. You play $5, you get 50 and pick six credits. Better payouts, bigger wins. Only. With pick six from DraftKings, the crown is yours. Paulie's not here today. Dylan is sitting in Paulie's chair, at least for the moment. Here? Yeah. With pick six. Hey, guys. Thank you. Dill playing hurt. Nearly chopped off your thumb last night. Lost a little bit of it. Yeah. Not the whole thing, but. You won't get it back, will you? No, it's actually. I donated it to the man cave somewhere. Really? Yeah. This. This isn't going to be like that scene in Naked Gun when Ricardo Montalban is at the baseball game and he takes a bite of his hot dog and there's a. There's a finger in it. It'll be like that, but smaller. Okay. We're not gonna. With the lobster roll. I gotta. No, actually, you guys are in luck. I was fortunately done prepping all of the stuff, so I was just cutting an onion at the very end.

[Dylan]

What has onion in it? And today everything.

[Ryan]

No, see, don't worry. Those onions were. You know that. I do not like onions. I've got some onion free options for you. I like the smell of onions. I just don't like onions. Onion sauteing and olive oil. Yes. Pretty undefeated smell, I'd say. Garlic. When you walk in, you walk in and somebody's got garlic going. You got me.

[Dan Patrick]

What's your blood type? If we consume some of your blood by accident because it can cause coagulation issues if it doesn't match. Like our own blood type.

[Ryan]

I think you have bigger issues with my blood than the type, Todd.

[Dylan]

Dylan, more or less nine and a half fingers right now.

[Dan Patrick]

Quick poll question.

[Dylan]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Dylan]

DraftKings got out.

[Ryan]

Here we go. More or less. We get to. We have to pick. So there's six of us. We need to have. It's called a pick six. Todd. Give me a more or less. With the basketball game coming up tonight.

[Dan Patrick]

I have the new MVP SGA having less than 3111 half points.

[Ryan]

Okay. I don't know.

[Dan Patrick]

Don't you think he may try too hard after getting the mvp? Now he's gonna just start missing Some shots because he's trying to score too much now.

[Ryan]

He got like just over 70% of the first place votes over Joker, and then Joker probably got 90% of the second place votes there. Seaton. More or less.

[Dylan]

I'm gonna go. Jalen Williams, less than 20 and a half points. He. In the first round against the Grizzlies, he put up some points. But then semifinals against the Nuggets, he really sort of came back down to earth a little bit in terms of getting up to 20 and a half points. I don't know that he's going to get there this next game.

[Ryan]

Yeah, he's one of those players where you go, who does Jalen Williams play for? And somebody's going to go. Charlotte. No, he plays for a team that's favored to win the NBA championship, Marvin. More or less.

[Dan Patrick]

I got Julius Randle at more than 19 and a half points. I think with Anthony Edwards injury, I think the timber is going to call upon him to be more aggressive. So I got him at more than 19 and a half points.

[Ryan]

Okay. He's been great.

[Dan Patrick]

He has.

[Ryan]

Not very exciting, but he's been great. But he's been good on what, three different teams or four different teams? He was. He was Lakers, Knicks, Minnesota.

[Dan Patrick]

So he's been a Pelicans.

[Ryan]

Yeah, yeah. So four. He's a good. He's in the hall of Good. Let's see. Dylan, how about you? Because you're going to be placing this bed for us. I am as we speak, Dan. Okay. So I'm trying to keep track of. Okay, so far, so good. I got Rudy Gobert, your guy. Less than 8 1/2 rebounds. Less Rudy and the Go Bears. That's probably what I'm gonna eat my words on, but I'm gonna go with the guy who was guarding Joker last series, at least in the final game. Alex Caruso. More than one and a half steals. I think he gets that in the first half. The first half. Yes. Oh, get out of here. That's crazy. That's. That's a. That's. That's. Pick six. That's. We've done it. DraftKings. You can win some real cash during the basketball playoffs. Pick six from DraftKings. Download the Pick Six app and use the Code Patrick. So, Code Patrick. New customers get 5, pay $5, get 50 and pick 6 credits. Better payouts, bigger wins only with pick 6 from DraftKings, the crown is yours. All right, Todd, time to play. Rhyme time.

[Dan Patrick]

Let's do it.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Camry Accord. Camry Accord, Toyota, and these words have to rhyme. Toyota. Be tough to rhyme. Camry Accord. Actually, I think I screwed that one up. Camry Accord is the left clue. The right clue is Dallas. Camry Accord is that. We're off to a great start. Camry Accord. Left side. Right side is Dallas.

[Dylan]

Midsize sedan.

[Dan Patrick]

What is a Camry? What is in a court? What are those?

[Ryan]

Cars.

[Dan Patrick]

Cars. And then it's a Dallas. I messed that up. So I confused you on that one. Okay, how about Smuckers Clarkson? Smuckers Clark.

[Dylan]

Jelly Kelly.

[Dan Patrick]

Jelly Kelly.

[Ryan]

That'll be Clarkson. Who's Kelly Clarkson?

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, religious speech. Crabtree. Religious speech. Sermon. Sherman. There you go. I love it. Okay, how about 11 Yankee catcher? 11 Yankee catcher.

[Ryan]

Munson.

[Dan Patrick]

Munson's the second half. What would be 11 Brunson?

[Ryan]

Munson.

[Dan Patrick]

Brunson. That's how we play the game. I was going to say Posada.

[Dylan]

Georgie.

[Dan Patrick]

How about rear shove. Rear shove. Tush. Push. That'll be touch. Push. Very good.

[Ryan]

Come on.

[Dan Patrick]

Kyle Carlisle. Kyle Carlisle.

[Ryan]

Something.

[Dan Patrick]

Rick Springfield.

[Dylan]

By the way, while we're debating this one or thinking about it, someone asked now if Dylan has the smallest hands on the show.

[Ryan]

That's a good question.

[Dylan]

That's a fair question.

[Ryan]

Even. Even missing part of his hand thumb. His hands are still bigger than Marvin's.

[Dylan]

That right there.

[Fox Sports Radio]

Bill gets it.

[Ryan]

That fell. Go ahead, Todd.

[Dan Patrick]

It was actually Brant Pacer head. And the answer was Kyle Carlile. So I just screwed up.

[Ryan]

You just screwed up again.

[Dan Patrick]

I gave you the answer.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Dylan]

It's so odd that rhyming not being one of Todd's strengths. He comes up with a segment called rhyme time, but he can't rhyme.

[Dan Patrick]

Pacer's head was Kyle Carlo.

[Ryan]

All right, all right, all right. Let's take a break. Let's regroup. Final hour on the way.

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[Todd]

This podcast is sponsored by Talkspace. May is Mental Health Awareness Month and Talkspace, the leading virtual therapy provider, is telling everyone let's face it in therapy, by talking or texting with a supportive licensed therapist at Talkspace, you can face whatever is holding you back. Whether it's mental health symptoms, relationship drama, past trauma, bad habits or another challenge that you need support to work through, it's easy to sign up. Just go to talkspace.com and you'll be paired with a provider, typically within 48 hours. And because you'll meet your therapist online, you don't have to take time off work or arrange childcare. You'll meet on your schedule. Plus, Talkspace is in network with most major insurers and most insured members have a zero dollar copay. Make your mental health a priority and start today. If you're not covered by Insurance, get $80 off your first month with Talkspace when you go to talkspace.com and enter promo code SPACE80. That's S P A C E80. To match with a licensed therapist today, go to talkspace.com and Enter promo code SPACE80.

[Ryan]

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[Fox Sports Radio]

Why is a soap opera Western like Yellowstone so wildly successful? The American west with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network. So join me starting Tuesday, May 6, where we'll delve into stories of the west and come to understand how it helps inform the ways in which we experience the region today.

[Dan Patrick]

Listen to the American west with Dan Flores on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts.

[Fox Sports Radio]

Or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dan Patrick]

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