Hour 3 – Michael Ozanian, Mark Sanchez

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Patrick Show Episode: Hour 3 – Michael Ozanian, Mark Sanchez
Release Date: June 19, 2025
Host/Guests:

• Host: Dan Patrick
• Guests: Mark Sanchez (NFL and Fox analyst), Michael Kassin (CNBC Senior Sports Reporter)

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1. Introduction

In the third hour of The Dan Patrick Show, Dan Patrick engages in an insightful discussion with NFL analyst Mark Sanchez and CNBC Senior Sports Reporter Michael Kassin. The primary focus revolves around the escalating valuations of NBA franchises, particularly the Los Angeles Lakers, and broader trends in sports team ownership and economics.

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2. The Lakers Sale and Team Valuations

Discussion Highlights:

• Potential Sale of the Lakers:
  The conversation kicks off with the looming possibility of the Los Angeles Lakers being sold for $10 billion. Despite CNBC's valuation ranking the Lakers at $7 billion, the actual sale price dramatically exceeds this figure.

  Michael Kassin (05:33): "I take the $10 billion because I'm a bigger baseball fan than I am basketball fan."

  • Market Dynamics:
    Michael elaborates on the disconnect between traditional valuations and the actual market price, attributing it to the Lakers' iconic brand and strategic fit within larger sports empires.

    Michael Kassin (07:50): "The term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen."

• Comparative Valuations:

  • Dallas Cowboys: Valued at $12 billion, deemed the most valuable sports franchise in the U.S.
  • Boston Celtics: Sold for just over $6 billion, despite being one of the most storied franchises.
  • Golden State Warriors: Discussed in terms of ownership and arena economics.

  Michael Kassin (07:50): "Because the Celtics, Lakers, two big markets, the two teams with the most championships in NBA history... it's just a [something]..."

3. Insights into Sports Franchise Valuations

Key Points:

• Economic Factors:
  Traditional valuation methods like multiples of revenue are being overshadowed by brand value and strategic ownership considerations.

  Michael Kassin (07:50): "So it's just something that I think if you're Mark Walter and you're looking at this... it's just a something that I think if you're Mark Walter and you're looking at this and you're saying, look, I'm in LA, I got the Dodgers..."

• Ownership Tendencies:
  Modern sports team owners are building expansive sports empires, owning multiple teams across different leagues, thereby increasing the intrinsic value of each franchise.

  Michael Kassin (13:33): "And increasingly, I know I mentioned sports empires with Walter, but the trend is, what we're seeing is these investors that own teams continue to increase their stakes in multiple sports, in multiple leagues."

• Historical Context:
  Michael reflects on his experience since 1989, noting the exponential growth in team valuations contrary to earlier predictions.

  Michael Kassin (09:57): "I started valuing sports teams since 1989... I remember saying, you know, can this appreciation continue? And he said, no, no way. ... Yet, we've seen the exact opposite happen."

4. The Cowboys and Brand Power

Discussion Highlights:

• Brand Dominance:
  The Dallas Cowboys' valuation is highlighted as the pinnacle of sports franchise worth, powered by their brand, facilities, and global appeal.

  Michael Kassin (11:01): "Got to be the Dallas Cowboys. I valued them when we did the NFL at CNBC a year ago at 11 billion."

• Ownership and Facilities:
  The significance of owning associated facilities and ancillary revenue streams, as seen with the Cowboys owning the Cowboys Stadium, which adds to their overall value.

  Dan Patrick (14:35): "Have you ever seen the facility? ... There's a $10,000 indoor stadium there that the high school teams play."

5. Audience Interaction and Q&A

Notable Segment:

• Advice for Aspiring Broadcasters:
  A listener, Emilio from Vegas, seeks advice for his son aspiring to enter sports announcing after a knee injury ended his soccer career.

  Emilio (17:55): "My son, he's 17 and a half... he wants to get into announcing."

  Dan Patrick and Mark Sanchez's Response:

  • Emphasized the importance of gaining experience, whether through college programs or local opportunities.
  • Highlighted the non-linear career path in broadcasting, stressing persistence and skill development.

  Mark Sanchez (18:36): "If your son is doing something now, does he want to continue to explore that on the local level? Does he want to go to college to take broadcasting or journalism?"

  Dan Patrick (35:17): "There is no direct route because... it's a tough, tough, tough business."

6. NFL Discussion: Aaron Rodgers and Team Culture

Discussion Highlights:

• Aaron Rodgers' Potential Move:
  The panel discusses Aaron Rodgers' performance and his possible fit with the Pittsburgh Steelers, focusing on team culture and player production.

  Dan Patrick (26:48): "Shaquille O'Neal, you know, these different players that they brought, LeBron James... they're tough, hard-nosed, blue-collar and they're going to put you in good situations."

• Player Performance vs. Personality:
  The debate centers around valuing player performance over personal likability, with production seen as a primary factor in player acceptance within a team's culture.

  Mark Sanchez (31:13): "I think people have a problem with the person and not the player. ... The great equalizer is when you get on the field, what can you do?"

  Dan Patrick (31:50): "Production breeds tolerance. Winning cures warts."

7. Concluding Remarks

The episode wraps up with reflections on sports team valuations, the importance of brand and ownership strategies, and the intricate balance between player performance and team culture. The discussions underscore the evolving landscape of sports economics and the increasing complexities of sports management in today's market.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Michael Kassin on Tennis Team Valuations:

  "I started valuing sports teams since 1989... it's just a something that I think if you're Mark Walter..." (07:50)

• Dan Patrick on Player Development:

  "I have to tell your son, get as many reps as possible." (18:36)

• Mark Sanchez on Valuing Players:

  "The great equalizer is when you get on the field, what can you do?" (31:13)

• Michael Kassin on Dallas Cowboys' Value:

  "Got to be the Dallas Cowboys... as we've seen over the past year..." (11:01)

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Key Takeaways

• Sports Team Valuations are Skyrocketing: Franchises like the Lakers are being sold for prices far exceeding traditional valuations due to their brand strength and strategic fit within larger ownership portfolios.

• Brand and Ownership Strategy are Crucial: The value of a sports team is not just in its immediate revenue but also in its brand, associated facilities, and how it fits into the owner's broader sports empire.

• Player Performance Can Override Personal Traits: In team dynamics, outstanding player performance is often prioritized over personal likability or cultural fit.

• Career Paths in Broadcasting are Non-Linear: Aspiring sports announcers should focus on gaining diverse experiences and skills, as there is no straightforward path to success in the industry.

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This comprehensive summary encapsulates the key discussions and insights from the third hour of The Dan Patrick Show, providing valuable perspectives on the business of sports and career advice within the industry.

Transcript

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[Mark Sanchez]

Okay. Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick show talks in football with Mark Sanchez coming up in a little bit. Also, more on the Lakers being sold for $10 billion. And I saw this recently. CNBC's most recent official NBA team valuations ranked the Lakers as third in the league in terms of value at $7 billion. But they went for $10 billion. And this doesn't include the arena because the crypt is own owned by AEG, not the Lakers. But you're paying $10 billion for a brand. Poll question for the final hour is going to be what? Seaton? Well, we actually have that exact question up there.

[Dan Patrick]

If you could get right now the Lakers or $10 billion, which would you want?

[Mark Sanchez]

So you're going to give me the Lakers or a check for $10 billion. Correct. I'm going to take the Lakers.

[Dan Patrick]

You would be against 90% of the audience who are taking the 10 billion.

[Mark Sanchez]

Well, you do have to like Los Angeles and the Lakers and basketball and things like that. Yes. Todd, is your ego that big?

[Dan Patrick]

Just take the money. Who needs the headaches of who am I trading?

[Mark Sanchez]

Who picking up free agents?

[Dan Patrick]

Who needs that?

[Mark Sanchez]

I get a lot of fun. You get $10 billion to do what you want with. Did you ever see Jerry Buss when he was courtsided? All the women who are hanging on him? Todd, look at me, I own the Cowboys.

[Dan Patrick]

Look at me, I'm the Lakers owner.

[Mark Sanchez]

I'm j. Yes, Jerry Boss, not Jerry Buss. Michael Ozanian, he is the CNBC senior sports reporter joining us on the program. Michael, thanks for joining us. If I said you could have $10 billion, you could have the Lakers today, what would you take?

[Michael Kassin]

Dan, it's great to be with you. I take the 10 billion. Two reasons. One is I outbid the 175, 1.7. 175 million. Did whatever it is for the Tampa Bay Rays. Buy them, build a new stadium, and then have 5 billion left over. Because I'm a bigger baseball fan than I am basketball fan. And second reason is I have a daughter who's starting college next semester, so that helped me with that.

[Mark Sanchez]

So I go that way. Okay, why sell now if you're the Bus family?

[Michael Kassin]

Well, I think that part of the reason.

[Mark Sanchez]

Excuse me.

[Michael Kassin]

Part of the reason is she's had, let's say, legal issues with members of her family since her dad passed away. Some of those apparently have been settled. Second reason is I think the price is astronomical. You know, if you look at what Mark Walter has been doing, he's been building a huge sports empire over time. I mean, he owns the Dodgers. He owns a piece of two soccer teams, one of which is Chelsea. He's involved in auto racing. So he's a primary financer of the Women's Professional Hockey League. And so he had the right of first refusal since he and Todd Boley came in about three, four years ago and bought a 26% stake. So, you know, there were probably other people out there sniffing around. And Jeanie Buss said, look, you know, you have the right of first refusal. He said, what would it take? He's got access to tremendous financing. With his ties to Guggenheim, he's got another investment firm, and it's called TWG Capital. So he has the means by which to buy this team. So, you know, people thought he was nuts, including me, when he plopped down 2 billion for the Dodgers many years ago, and everyone said, what are you doing? That's a crazy price. Well, looking back, it's not. And he's had tremendous success with the Dodgers. So I think from his standpoint, the Lakers, an iconic brand, once in a lifetime opportunity. And it's a fit into a larger scheme, which is building this huge platform of tremendously valuable intellectual property, which guys like you and I call sports.

[Mark Sanchez]

You had. Or CNBC had its most recent NBA team valuations. The Lakers, third in the league at 7 billion. Why a $3 billion difference?

[Michael Kassin]

Yeah, that's me, Dan. I've been valuing sports teams since 1989, when I started this whole thing at Financial World. And, you know, I was looking at it at the time and saying, okay, what's the most priciest team up until that point? This was right before the Celtics offer. And sports bankers generally look at these things, like, compare it to revenue, multiples of revenue. How many times revenue is a team worth? The Suns, which the Ishbia brothers bought for 4 billion. That was a little over 13 times revenue. So going along those lines, that's how I valued the Lakers. Of course, then pops pops up the Celtics. They go for a little over 6 billion, and you're saying, holy cow, it's back to the drawing board when you're talking about a marquee franchise, right? Because the Celtics, Lakers, two big markets, the two teams with the most championships in NBA history, you know, time to get a new calculator. Because you're looking at this deal, and it's like 18 times revenue. So it's the math, the numbers, the economics are almost completely brushed aside at this point. It's just a something that I think if you're Mark Walter and you're looking at this and you're saying, look, I'm in la, I got the Dodgers. I'm building this huge sports platform. I may never get another chance to see a sports asset like this that can fit into my scheme. And, you know, I think if you're looking at the people that are, you know, potentially winners, the collateral winners from this, I think maybe you got to look at Golden State and say, you know, they've been looking to sell, exploring the sale of a minority state in their team, and they're in a much better situation in a way, because they control their buildings, economics. They own the building. You know, they get all the ancillary revenues, concerts and all that stuff, whereas the Lakers are simply tenants. Anschutz owns that building. You know, him and the Los Angeles Kings, which he owns, gets the lion's share. And this goes to the Celtics, too, because with the Celtics, everybody was scratching their head and saying, holy cow. You know, it's the owners of the Bruins that control that arena. You know, the Celtics are simply tenants. Their arena economics are not good at all. So, you know, arena economics considered, you know, a key driver in the pecking order, aside from market in terms of franchise value within the leagues. And this just blew that away. None. When I saw the ESPN story on this, Dan, yesterday, I immediately tweeted to all my sports banker friends and people that I knew that were either executives with sports teams or own sports teams, and to a person, they all came back and there were two things that said. They said they knew nothing of this beforehand. They were completely surprised. And the second thing was, wow, they did not believe the price.

[Mark Sanchez]

What is the most valuable sports franchise in the United States?

[Michael Kassin]

Got to be the Dallas Cowboys. I valued them when we did the NFL at CNBC a year ago at 11 billion. But, you know, as we've seen over the past year, there's been a few NFL teams that have sold minority pieces. The Eagles, the Bills, the chargers and the 49ers. You know, with the 49ers are selling a minority piece, I think it was at 8.6 billion valuation. You know, you got to think the next time we value the NFL, the Cowboys are going to be much more than 11 billion. And some other teams that are looking to sell pieces now, like the Bears, the New York Giants, I mean, I think you're going to see these prices, you know, continue to go up. And you know, I again, I started off by saying, I started doing this in 1989, Dan. I remember the first, the first time I did it and I did all the leagues at once in the most valuable team was the New York Yankees at 250 million, I think it was. And of course, the Steinbrenner Group had bought the team for I think 8.8 million in 1973. And I remember saying to a sports banker, a guy, I think he was at one of the big eight accounting firms at the time, like Ernst and Young or Deloitte, one of those, and I said, you know, can this appreciation continue? And he said, no, no way. He said, you know, he said, because TV rights aren't going to continue to go up. And of course, you know, the exact opposites happen, right? Look at the NBA's new TV deal. It's 2.6 times bigger than the deal that ended this past season. So, you know, it's just, it's extremely valuable content. And increasingly, I know I mentioned sports empires with Walter, but the trend is, what we're seeing is these investors that own teams continue to increase their stakes in multiple sports, in multiple leagues. You know, you look at Kroenke, he owns, you know, the Rams, the Avalanche, the Nuggets, he owns Arsenal. You know, then you got the geographically centered empires like Ted Leonis, you know, he owns the Capitals, the Wizards, the arena down there, WNBA team. I mean, these, these guys, you know, they all have two things in common. They're really smart and they have the money to put these rare assets together. And I think we're going to see this trend continue.

[Mark Sanchez]

Dan, great to talk to you, Michael. We appreciate the insights.

[Michael Kassin]

My pleasure, Dan, anytime.

[Mark Sanchez]

That's Michael Zanian, the CNBC senior sports reporter. Yeah, I just see them going up and up and up. But I figured The Cowboys were 12 billion dollar franchise. But a lot of this has to do with what do you own, what goes with that team? The fact that the Lakers were sold and they lease the. The Crypt. They don't own it, they lease it. Gary in El Paso. Hi, Gary. What's on your mind today?

[Dan Patrick]

Hey, Dan. Everybody's taking my. My mojo there. I 551-1782. 22nd time caller. Anyway, I had all these thoughts. I was talking to Tyler, your. Your.

[Mark Sanchez]

Your call guy. And.

[Dan Patrick]

And I was ex. I was gonna tell you exactly what everyone's saying. The Cowboys value has to go up because he owns a Jones Mahal.

[Mark Sanchez]

And the brand. Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

And the facility. Have you ever seen the facility? Yeah, I mean, there's.

[Michael Kassin]

I think there's an HBO video. I mean, he has a $10,000 indoor stadium there that the high school teams play.

[Dan Patrick]

And, I mean, they do fan tours there.

[Mark Sanchez]

I mean, the Cowboys have to go.

[Dan Patrick]

From 10 billion up to 20 billion now.

[Mark Sanchez]

Yeah, I mean, maybe. I mean, to me, it's all monopoly money, but, you know, if you want it, then you buy it. If you want it, you may overpay for it, which maybe that's what happened in the sit. You know, this instance with the Lakers. But if he wanted the Lakers, you put them in with all of your other teams that you own, everything else that you own. You're building this global empire. Danny in South Bend. Hi, Danny. What's on your mind today?

[Dan Patrick]

Hey, what's going on? DP 5 11, 188. Hey.

[Mark Sanchez]

Hey.

[Dan Patrick]

Got a comment for you earlier.

[Mark Sanchez]

You're talking about the Bulls and the.

[Dan Patrick]

Relevance, particularly the relevance in Chicago. So I did a little digging, but I got a stat for you.

[Mark Sanchez]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Since 2017, all the way to this current season, outside of the COVID year, the Bulls have led the NBA in attendance every year.

[Mark Sanchez]

Okay. That's all.

[Dan Patrick]

I just remember you guys are saying they weren't, you know, really relevant lately.

[Mark Sanchez]

Because of winning and all that, but you can have local attendance, Danny. But you can have national relevance, and they don't have national relevance locally. You know, Chicago is, what, the third or fourth biggest market in America? Not a tough stadium to get to. You should be able to sell that out. But I was talking about national relevance, and the Bulls do not have that anymore. They did before. They didn't. Don't now. J.T. in Syracuse. Hi, J.T.

[Michael Kassin]

Hey, Dan. Six foot and a funky 181 pounds. All right, so I am the lead.

[Dan Patrick]

Singer and founder of the United Booty.

[Michael Kassin]

Foundation, and I would like to extend a laurel and hearty invitation to Mr. Fritz to sing with the band at our upcoming concert on July 19th. Just outside of Syracuse, New York.

[Mark Sanchez]

I don't think he'll be joining you, JT.

[Dan Patrick]

But it's very flattering, though.

[Mark Sanchez]

Yeah. Thank you for the invitation.

[Dan Patrick]

Why not?

[Mark Sanchez]

He's got things to do, right, Todd?

[Dan Patrick]

I always have things to do.

[Mark Sanchez]

Yes, you do. I mean, unless you want to do the five hour drive.

[Dan Patrick]

I've done that a number of times with my, with my son for school. It's a, it's quite the drive. But I do appreciate the offer. It's very cool.

[Mark Sanchez]

All right. Todd is not driving five hours to drive to sing. You're not. That was a booty foundation. The United Booty.

[Dan Patrick]

Not even when United Booty calls.

[Mark Sanchez]

Blue, blue, blue. Emilio in Vegas joins us. Hey, Emilio, Dan. Hey.

[Michael Kassin]

How you guys doing?

[Dan Patrick]

5, 9, 235 pounds. This question is more for Dan, like, more of like some advice.

[Michael Kassin]

My son, he's 17 and a half, used to play soccer, had a knee injury towards patella tendon, can't play anymore or doesn't want to play anymore, but he wants to get into announcing.

[Dan Patrick]

He does do it for a local team here. He's been doing it for a couple of months. They really like him.

[Michael Kassin]

He's grown a lot since he first started. But just advice of like, okay, go to college, get this broadcasting degree or do this like actual, like real world advice to get to profession, you know, like you, I mean, so well.

[Mark Sanchez]

Okay. There's no direct route to this. There is no direct route. If you do this, then you become this. It doesn't happen that way. If your son is doing something now, does he want to continue to explore that on the local level? Does he want to go to college to take broadcasting or journalism? You know, that's up to him. It's, it's, it's way too wide of a spectrum for me to go. This is what your son should do. He has to do what he feels he's comfortable doing, will help him what he wants to do. Not everybody wants to go to college. Or if you go to college, you may not get on the campus radio station. But, you know, that's sort of the goal. You have to have something where you can hand do an employer, a potential employer, and say, here's how I sound. That's the first thing I would say. I've had people say, hey, do you think I'd be good in tv? I go, I don't know, let me see you on tv. Or, hey, I think I could do that on radio. Well, let me hear what you sound like on radio. I mean, that's really the important part of this. But there is no direct route because I nearly quit the business at 27 because I didn't get a job in local sports in Dayton, Ohio. And on kind of a whim went to Atlanta and got hired at CNN. Six months later I'm in New York. Five years later I'm on SportsCenter. It doesn't happen that way and it's changed so much. But I would, I would tell your son, get as many reps as possible. But if you do want to go to college and you want to learn English, you want to learn speech, you want to learn broadcasting, great. The Dan Patrick School of Sportscasting. We have that, that's what your major is in in Orlando, Florida at Full Sail University. So there are options. Syracuse is an option. Northwestern, Arizona State, there's plenty of Missouri, there's plenty of great schools for this. But it's really, it comes down to you, the individual, because I don't know your son and I don't know if he's good. I don't know if he has potential. But you know, get, get ready to get kicked around. I will say that because it is a tough, tough, tough business because your son's 17 and a half. How many 17 year old, 18 year old, 19 year old, 20 year old kids want to do this? Thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands. What makes you different? That's what you have to find out. We'll take a break. Mark Sanchez from Fox Sports will join us coming up next here. DAN PATRICK show FOX Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to listen live.

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Mark Sanchez]

Listen to the American west with Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

Flores on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Mark Sanchez]

More phone calls coming up. Talk some football. Mark Sanchez, NFL and Fox analyst, former NFL quarterback Let me start with the Steelers. Best case scenario for Pittsburgh this year is going to be what in your opinion?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I gotta check in. Dan. Six, two and a quarter, 245.

[Mark Sanchez]

Getting a little heavier, aren't we?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, twins will do that to you and I've been carry them. I might as well.

[Mark Sanchez]

You should see me. All right.

[Dan Patrick]

I've been carrying him a lot.

[Mark Sanchez]

What was your playing weight?

[Dan Patrick]

I was like 228 to 235 right in there. So we're good £10 over.

[Mark Sanchez]

Yeah, Brady still looks the same.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I don't want to sleep in A crypt and sell my soul to the devil and. I'm just kidding. The dude's in incredible shape. And hi to the Danets. And you know what? It's really been, I think it's been celebrating my bracketology knowledge from the college basketball tournament and, you know, the parades and ribbon cuttings and events. I'm like America's guest right now.

[Mark Sanchez]

It's incredible how much you know about college basketball.

[Dan Patrick]

A lot of good food. You know, I might get gout the way I'm living like this. This is nice, you know. No, but for the Steelers, sh. It's, it's such a unique situation, right? Because they're, they're this blue collar organization. Everything's in house, you know, they, they, they, they keep everything tight and they rarely go poach a superstar and add them to what they have going on. It's different. You guys are talking about the sale of the Lakers and stuff. Well, the Lakers are known to go grab a superstar and bring him under the Lakers banner. And they're still one of the most iconic brands around the world. Shaquille O' Neal, you know, these different players that they brought, LeBron James, they made their name somewhere else. So Aaron Rodgers made his name somewhere else in a blue collar city, in Green Bay and then kind of outgrew that relationship, I guess. Right? They kind of parted mutually. Whatever goes to New York doesn't work out perfectly. Tough media market. And now he's got to kind of be in this blue collar town. The only thing that bridges that gap, because everybody's so scared about that because there's no numbers right now, right? Nobody's producing anything right now. There's no games. So everybody's just speculating like, well, can he fit in? Can he fit in? Culture fit, culture fit. He's too counterculture. He's not one of us. He's not a stealer, you know, and there's a us versus them mentality. When you're with the Steelers. Look at the terrible towels. Look at all that, right? So they have that culture. The only thing that bridges that gap is his production. And if he produces the way he produced last year, the last 10 games he was on a heater. He single handedly basically kept the jets playoff hopes alive. They lost about going back and watching some of their games. They lost about three games just with special teams alone, just field goal kicking, specifically alone. So those three games at the end of the year, I mean, I'm not like the president of Aaron Rodgers fan club or anything, but damn, dude, the Guy played his ass off. He threw for like three, 900 yards or just near whatever it was. 28 touchdowns, 11 picks. The last 10 weeks was 18 touchdowns, four picks. I mean, put it this way, the Vikings would give. If you could tell the vikings right now, JJ McCarthy is going to have Aaron Rodgers stat line from last year, 100%. They would sign that deal in blood immediately. Immediately. So, I mean, listen, the guy did all that at 41 years old, coming off of an Achilles with a defense that they thought was better and didn't quite pan out. A special teams. That was rough, you know, to be nice about it. I don't, I don't dislike the move. I think it's, I think it's probably the right spot. You're always going to get a team that's, that's tough, hard nosed, blue collar and they're going to put you in good situations. They're going to handle all the media stuff. They can handle some of the stuff, you know. Yeah. Aaron might say something here or there. Okay. He's a little different. He's not your average, you know, your candid line. Hey, we got to bring our A game and we didn't do that today. That's not his interview. Okay, fine. So what I think the culture of that place and his production, most importantly, can, can bridge that gap and they can be successful.

[Mark Sanchez]

Yeah. I think people have a problem with the person and not the player. And that's where I always say to people, you may not like that person, but do you like the player? Because that's, that's the bottom line. The great equalizer is when you get on the field, what can you do? It's like, you know, you may not like Shador Sanders personality, but if he can play when he gets on the field, that's all that matters.

[Dan Patrick]

Production. Yes, production breeds tolerance.

[Mark Sanchez]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Winning cures warts. Like that's what happened that people allow a lot if their teams win.

[Mark Sanchez]

I'm trying to understand what the Bengals are doing because it's kind of counterculture that they're all offense, they're going all in and we're just going to score because it doesn't seem like defense is a priority. How does, how does this work?

[Dan Patrick]

Here's my thing. Everybody seems to have to play by the same rules. Right? Everybody's got the salary cap. Everybody has the same number of players that they can sign. And certain teams, just like we talked about culture, whether it's basketball or football, the Steelers, Lakers, Bengals, certain teams find themselves in these public kind of Nasty negotiations. And certain teams that the Bengals are notorious for. This, like, it's just always happened. The Cowboys, if Dak Prescott has a leaky faucet in his basement, people find out about it. It's just kind of the way it is in New York. You know, no matter what you do, trying to prove to your team that, you know, you're this quarterback is about football and you're trying to win games. You go out to a dinner and happen to be with somebody famous, well, oh, dude, he's just out on the town every night. Well, is that the truth? I don't know. So, okay, some of it's regional coverage, some of it's the team, some of it's the organization, the leadership and the culture within that place. But let's not forget Carson Palmer literally walked away from the game of football because he was so frustrated with this organization. And they've notoriously underpaid some of their players or offered such low contracts that people are like, dude, I'm out of here. Whether it's Whitworth and tackle or whoever, you know, guys are just like, come on, man. Like, and. And everybody has to deal with it. So I don't understand. But when we go back to production, this guy's producing better than anybody in the league. The last couple years, made a name for himself in New Orleans on his rookie contract. Played that contract out opposite of Cam Jordan down there and gets a huge contract in Cincy. And now it's time for the next version of that contract, the next iteration of that contract. And it sounds like they're upset over the length of the contract and the number, but whatever it is, I mean, you can't let. You can't let guys like that walk out of the building. And, you know, he's not going to want to take too much less based on his production. And if you're going to pay all these other guys, are you just going to score 50 points a game? Is it going to look like the old Big 12? You score 50 and give up 49. Like, I guess hold on to your hat, but this guy sure helps on defense and gets your quarterback the ball back.

[Mark Sanchez]

Well, your first round pick is not in camp either, but, you know, an edge rusher as well, so. And it felt like, you know what? You get this guy who was an underachiever in college, but Stewart does have the potential. Hendrickson has proven that. You know, he's given you 17 and a half sacks and on average the last two years. Now you have some defense and you've got all of that offense. I don't care how much offense you got. At some point you got to stop somebody. And Cincinnati's, I mean this, this philosophy is really counterculture. I also wanted to ask you about you start a rookie quarterback or that at what point do you get to. Now I'm going to put you in. How much damage can be done to a rookie quarterback when you get into a situation that maybe you shouldn't be playing in?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, it's a fragile psyche and there's, there's different ways to approach it. Obviously I have my own experience. My experience is shaped off of the year before me being drafted, when Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco make the playoffs as rookies. Before that, it was rare for a rookie to just go out and start.

[Michael Kassin]

Right.

[Dan Patrick]

Carson Palmer waited behind Kitna for a year, you know, and he was pick number one overall. So that was kind of the mode before. Let him listen, let him watch, let him learn. How do I come up with a pregame routine? How do I, how do I dress when we go on road trips? What's my routine at the hotel? What do I eat? All these kind of little things. Not just learning plays and positions and defensive fronts and blitzes. You got a lot of other things to learn. Just an awareness thing. So it depends on the player, I think number one. And then it depends largely on the supporting cast. If you have the supporting cast that can carry the weight of a rookie when they don't play as well as they should in certain situations. And I was there. I mean, we were in a game against the Bills and I threw five interceptions and we almost kicked a game winning field goal with Jay Feely who's now running for Congress, apparently. I got a message about that kind of crazy. Sorry, but we're in the game with five turnovers. I mean, I'm not helping us win. If anything, they're winning in spite of me. So those kind of things are going to happen. Now if you have an established starter like a Russell Wilson or a Jameis Winston or whatever's going on with the Giants and then they're going to get their shot and if it doesn't work out, then you bring the rookie in. To me, that's a little bit like free reps and less pressure and we're not like trying for a playoff spot. It's almost like pick up basketball and there's a very fine line. I want you to go get the conditioning, I want you to go get some shots off. You're going to get fouled a little harder than you probably should in a real game with true rules, instead of people just calling their own fouls. But I also don't want you to develop a bunch of bad habits, right? I don't want this to turn into an and one mixtape where you're just dribbling the ball all over the place, thinking you're the professor. Like, it doesn't work like that. I want you to still play quarterback for our team and get some of these reps. We're going to watch all these reps after the year and then take the good from them. Keep moving on, keep progressing. So there's different ways to approach it, but if you have the supporting cast that knows, that's mature enough to know and talented enough to know, hey, we're going to have to pick up some slack for this guy who's going to have a couple of rough outings, like some bad, bad outings, then, okay? And we're not going to turn on them. You can't turn on them because as soon as you turn on him, you lose the kid. You know, you got to remember These guys are 21, 22 years old, and the face of the franchise, and they were just at a frat party, you know, going to invites and, you know, winning their bowl games and big man on campus. And now you're the face of a franchise. You're still 22 years old, making all this money, and you're supposed to have the discernment and. And, you know, intelligence of a Supreme Court justice, and it's just not reality. You're still a kid. You just have a lot more money and a lot more access to really cool stuff, and you got to be more mature than you're really expected to be at that age. So it's. It's a tricky, tricky situation. I think it depends on the. The player and the supporting cast.

[Mark Sanchez]

What was that like? You've thrown five interceptions. What's it like when that next play comes in and it's a pass?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, it's. It's so funny. I was of the mind that, like, just get me another quick completion, even if it's a cold run and we have, like a little bubble screen or something attached to the run. Just get me the ball in my hand so I can feel the little dimples on that Wilson ball on the Duke and just flick it to somebody quickly and get the taste out of my mouth and move on. And then I would always revert back to a Pete Carroll story that he told me, and he's like you can't be afraid to throw the, the next interception. Like, you got to keep fighting. You got to keep chucking the ball. Not recklessly, but you got to keep chucking the ball. And he went to a speech or event with Rick Barry.

[Mark Sanchez]

I think you too literally, that you weren't afraid to throw an interception that day.

[Dan Patrick]

No, you can't. Well, no, but he went to this talk with Rick Barry. I'll say it fast, but I know we gotta go. But Rick Barry basically gives this speech and Pete's a young coach and he runs over to him, he says, rick, Rick, I just, I love what you said. I'm a big fan. What do you do when you miss your first 10 shots? And Rick Barry immediately, like, I mean, he was known to be pretty brash and he was kind of a dick, you know, but he was a hell of a competitor and great basketball player. But he basically looked at him and said, you know, I'm a, whatever percentage shooter, like 40 something percent shooter. He goes, if I miss my first 10 shots, you better look out because the next 10 are going in. You know what I mean? Like, that was his mentality. So Pete used to give us that speech and remind us, listen, you go out and throw three picks in the first quarter, well, you're a 3 to 1 touchdown to interception kind of guy. That's the kind of quarterbacks we groom here. So if you throw three right away out of the, out of the gate, defense better watch out, you know what I mean? That day, maybe not against Buffalo, but it all evens out.

[Mark Sanchez]

Good to catch up with you. I hope it's a great summer and we'll catch up with you soon again.

[Dan Patrick]

Appreciate you guys.

[Mark Sanchez]

Thank you. Thank you. And that's Mark Sanchez, NFL and Fox analyst, former NFL quarterback. We'll take a break. Last call for phone calls. What we learned, what's in store tomorrow, Right after this, be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Mark Sanchez]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Michael Kassin]

It's for the families of those who didn't make it.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Mark Sanchez]

I've never seen so many women protect predatory men. And then me too happen.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Michael Kassin]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Mark Sanchez]

Listen to the American west with Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

Flores on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Mark Sanchez]

LSU in coastal Carolina Men's College World Series I think Coastal Carolina. The chanticleers have won 26 games in a row. I believe And Arkansas got walked off by LSU yesterday. Watch a lot of it. You know, it's a great time. It's on in the afternoon and I can nap around it. Be honest. Nap around. Nap around. Let me see. Oh, Todd has a sports center tease, I believe, don't you? I do not.

[Dan Patrick]

I just was coming up with a couple of little cute lines early, but I didn't put together a whole sports center too. I would have sent it around as evidence that I had written it.

[Mark Sanchez]

Oh, because you haven't usually sent it around before. You just send it to me or.

[Dan Patrick]

I'll send it to poly because sometimes something will be inappropriate, then he'll have.

[Mark Sanchez]

To flag it and say, that's not okay. So America just lost today, Just now.

[Dan Patrick]

Or did they win?

[Mark Sanchez]

I don't know.

[Dan Patrick]

I appreciate Todd's editing right here.

[Mark Sanchez]

Oh, Seaton didn't want to hear sports.

[Dan Patrick]

I think it sounds like gross, personally.

[Mark Sanchez]

Oh, really?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. No, I didn't have the whole thing. I just a couple of clever lines, but I don't need to do it on air.

[Mark Sanchez]

Okay. Now I don't want it tomorrow.

[Dan Patrick]

That's fine.

[Mark Sanchez]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

But usually I'll throw out a piece of paper on, you know, as you're walking by.

[Mark Sanchez]

Oh, I know that.

[Dan Patrick]

Stick my foot out and trip you up with it.

[Mark Sanchez]

But I didn't do anything. No, you have dropped the paper right in front of me.

[Dan Patrick]

Many hints I've been dropped today. I didn't drop any.

[Mark Sanchez]

You did not. I went in the back and I talked to Mario, the eyes and ears of the show, and I said, todd's got a sports center tease. He goes, yeah, have you heard it? And I go, no.

[Dan Patrick]

So I tried out a couple of lines, but it didn't evolve into an actual putting together of a sport.

[Mark Sanchez]

I do feel bad for the guys in the back because Todd knows we're probably not going to listen to him when he does his stand up act. And then he'll go in the back and just look for somebody who is kind of handcuffed to their desk and they can't get up, try out a couple of things.

[Dan Patrick]

And then there you are right behind me saying they have work to do. You know, they do. Your audience.

[Mark Sanchez]

They do.

[Dan Patrick]

Let them do their work.

[Mark Sanchez]

They do. Mario and Anthony are back there working.

[Dan Patrick]

Not building the graphics. Listen to this line. I have.

[Mark Sanchez]

Yeah, got a great line here. This day in sports history, by the way, the Padres have blown a lead 24 times. That's tied with the Athletics for the second most in baseball behind the white Sox. Like, if you're in the company of the A's and the White Sox, chances are it's not very good. But the Padres blew the lead last night with Will Smith with the pinch hit walk off home run. The Dodgers have won five in a row this day in sports history. Paul, One of my favorite.

[Dan Patrick]

1943, the NFL approved the merger of the Philadelphia Eagles and the Philadelphia Steelers. It was a temporary merger because of World War II. They were low on players. Do you remember what the name of this team was? The Steagalls. S T E A G L E S. I've seen this story before, but I never really delved into it. But the Philadelphia Steagalls. Okay, brief period of time.

[Mark Sanchez]

Okay. Wild Jim Bouton on this day in 1970, put out the book Ball Four. It was a on the road kind of tell all behind the scene. We had never, we had never read anything like this before. We knew nothing, you know, that we knew that they're probably things that, you know, took place on a road trip. But Bouton was such a great writer and he was a pitcher and he wrote the book Ball four. He, I think he also came out with ball, Ball five. Maybe later on. But really a fascinating guy. Very entertaining guy. Great writer, but he wrote the book Ball Four that the. And I'm, I'm trying to remember what this was like. So I was just getting into high school and I'm like, golly, this guy's going to get yelled at. He's going to get, you know, his teammates are going to be mad because he's kind of giving you the details on what happens on a road trip and just really back behind the scenes. And I think there's a line where they're pulling up in the bus, they're coming back from a road trip. And then Bouton says, all right, guys, look horny because they were just getting back from a road trip. The Cavaliers in 2016, on this day came back from a 31 deficit to beat the warriors in game seven. 93. 89. Time to play the Tyrese Halliburton game. Paul, very simple.

[Dan Patrick]

Exactly how many points does Tyrese Halliburton have tonight? I will go first. Zero.

[Mark Sanchez]

Oh, sneaky.

[Dan Patrick]

Wow. 0.0.

[Mark Sanchez]

Todd, how many points? Tyrese Halliburton?

[Dan Patrick]

11.

[Mark Sanchez]

Okay. Satan, five. Marvin, eight. I'm going 14. I'm going 14.

[Dan Patrick]

Scoring spree.

[Mark Sanchez]

Yeah, that's it.

[Dan Patrick]

That's the whole game?

[Mark Sanchez]

Yeah, that's it. It's done.

[Dan Patrick]

We went up in threes. 5, 8, 11, 14. We had a Trend there.

[Mark Sanchez]

Thank you.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm not interesting numerology.

[Mark Sanchez]

You did 5, 8, 11, 14.

[Dan Patrick]

Someone's got to say 17.

[Mark Sanchez]

I know, but sometimes you can say I find that interesting, but you can just find it interesting to yourself. That could be a thought bubble and.

[Dan Patrick]

Somebody can keep to myself.

[Mark Sanchez]

You know what, it could have been a coincidence.

[Dan Patrick]

I probably should have just kept the mic off and mumbled to myself. 5, 8, 11, 14.

[Mark Sanchez]

Final results of the poll question. Seaton.

[Dan Patrick]

5, 8, 11,14. I do appreciate Todd's ability with his love of numerology.

[Mark Sanchez]

He does love numerology. If I could give you one of these today, ownership of The Lakers are.

[Dan Patrick]

$10 billion right now. 90% are taking the 10, bill.

[Mark Sanchez]

But if you're a die hard Laker fan and you get a chance to own this, and this is the only chance you'd ever get a chance to own this, if you had the money, then you would, you would take, you would take the Lakers, I think. And I get the other 90% are saying now I could spend my money wise, I could get season tickets to the Lakers and go enjoy them and sit courtside and I could spend my money elsewhere. I understand that. Okay. All right. I'm just saying that, right. I understand $10 million, but yeah, it.

[Dan Patrick]

Would be awesome owning the Lakers.

[Mark Sanchez]

It would be.

[Dan Patrick]

It would be great.

[Mark Sanchez]

That would be so sick. Yeah, it would be. Let's see. Did we learn anything on today's show? Todd, what'd you learn today?

[Dan Patrick]

We always learn something Brendan Haywood learned firsthand.

[Mark Sanchez]

If you can't help Michael Jordan win.

[Dan Patrick]

He has no time for you. He'll say it right to your face. Also.

[Mark Sanchez]

Yeah, good appearance by him. He was good. You can see him on NBA tv. Paul or no Seaton.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I think we got a new regular today. As a matter of fact. He was fantastic.

[Mark Sanchez]

All right, Marvin, what'd you learn today?

[Dan Patrick]

5, 8, 11, 14.

[Mark Sanchez]

Okay, Paul, it feels like the buss.

[Dan Patrick]

Family maybe had to sell.

[Mark Sanchez]

Yeah, it did sound a little bit like that. Todd, what did I learn on today's award nominated program? Dane in New York thinks there's something.

[Dan Patrick]

About the blue and silver of the Cowboys appealing to both men and women alike.

[Mark Sanchez]

Thanks for the phone calls, emails, tweets, the all around support. We'll do it again tomorrow on the program on a meet Friday for Fritzi, Seaton, Marv, Paula, yours truly. We'll talk to you tomorrow.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Michael Kassin]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Mark Sanchez]

Listen to Good company on the iHeartRadio.

[Dan Patrick]

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