Hour 3 – Mike Florio, Michael McCarthy

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 3 with Mike Florio and Michael McCarthy

Release Date: August 6, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts and Dan Patrick Podcast Network
Guests: Mike Florio, Michael McCarthy

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1. Introduction to the Episode

The episode begins with Dan Patrick welcoming listeners to the final hour of the show, highlighting that more phone calls and poll results will be discussed. The primary focus centers around significant developments in the NFL media landscape, particularly the merger between NFL Network and ESPN.

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2. ESPN and NFL Network Merger

Discussion Highlights:

• Deal Overview: The merger involves NFL Network partnering with ESPN, granting the NFL a 10% equity stake in ESPN. This strategic alliance is expected to enhance distribution channels globally and fortify both entities against emerging streaming competitors like Apple.

  [02:37] Dan Patrick: "If approved, it likely won't take effect until at least 2026."

• Consumer Impact: Mike Florio emphasizes that while the merger primarily benefits the networks, consumers might face indirect effects, such as changes in how content is packaged or potential increases in subscription costs.

  [04:41] Mike Florio: "I don't know that the consumer was at the front of the mind for either of the parties involved in this, frankly."

• Future Broadcasting Prospects: The merger opens avenues for ESPN to potentially expand the "Red Zone" brand to other leagues, including the NBA and NHL, leveraging their newly acquired broadcasting rights.

  [30:21] Dan Patrick: "They would be able to create a red zone for the NBA, a red zone for the NHL... and ESPN would own those new rights going forward."

Notable Quotes:

• [02:35] Dan Patrick: "We're talking about the merger between the mothership, NFL Network and the NFL, 10% stake in ESPN."

• [26:08] Dan Patrick: "Only ESPN came up and stepped up to the table."

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3. Negotiations and Contracting Issues in the NFL

Key Topics:

• Direct Negotiations Between Owners and Players: The conversation delves into the contentious issue of team owners, like Jerry Jones of the Dallas Cowboys, negotiating directly with players without agent representation, which violates the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA).

  [07:50] Noah: "What's the rule of an owner talking directly to a player about a contract?"

  [08:13] Devin: "Under the CBA, you can't negotiate directly with the players. The agent is the exclusive representative..."

• Deshaun Watson's Contract Situation: The discussion speculates on the Dallas Cowboys' strategy to pressure quarterback Deshaun Watson into accepting a reduced contract by either enforcing previous handshake agreements or deferring to the next season.

  [15:46] Dan Patrick: "What is desHaun Watson do every day?"

  [15:50] Devin: "He's working his way back to full health... They have a decision to make."

• Player Welfare and Equity Concerns: Devin raises concerns about how the merger's equity stake might bypass direct financial benefits to players, potentially disadvantaging them in future negotiations.

  [07:32] Devin: "Under the CBA, that equity may be exclusive to ownership. And until equity turns into money, players don't get a penny."

Notable Quotes:

• [09:29] Noah: "Why doesn't somebody say to Jerry Jones, you know, Jerry, you can't negotiate a contract with a player?"

• [10:43] Noah: "Why doesn't somebody say to Jerry Jones…"

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4. NFL Policy Changes: Smelling Salts Ban

Discussion Points:

• Introduction of the Ban: The NFL announces a ban on supplying smelling salts to players, citing concerns over their potential to mask concussion symptoms.

  [11:39] Devin: "It's been 16 years since they had their concussion epiphany."

• Implications for Teams and Players: While teams are no longer providing smelling salts, players can still bring their own, shifting the liability away from the NFL and onto the individual.

  [12:48] Devin: "We're not supplying them. Now they'd have to negotiate with the union."

Notable Quotes:

• [13:25] Noah: "If I'm a Rams fan, and I'm listening, watching, concerned about Matthew Stafford, what would you tell the Rams fan today about this situation?"

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5. Updates on Key NFL Players

Matthew Stafford:

• Injury Recovery: Matthew Stafford is expected to return to the field later in the week after addressing a chronic back issue. The team is cautiously optimistic about his readiness for the upcoming season.

  [13:25] Noah: "I think they'll give him extra time... I think he'll be good to go."

Deshaun Watson:

• Health and Performance: Deshaun Watson is actively working towards full health to secure his position with the Cleveland Browns. The ongoing negotiations remain tense, with potential implications for his career longevity.

  [16:48] Noah: "Does Deshaun Watson want to play football again?"

  [16:51] Devin: "I think he fully intends to get healthy and come back..."

Justin Tucker:

• Possible Return: Justin Tucker faces a 10-game suspension but remains a valuable kicker. His potential return is debated based on performance consistency and PR considerations.

  [17:50] Noah: "Does Justin Tucker play again?"

  [17:50] Devin: "How much better is he going to make us? Are we better off just getting a guy no one knows..."

Notable Quotes:

• [14:39] Noah: "Michael McCarthy, front office sports senior media reporter and tuned-in columnist joining us on the program."

• [16:48] Noah: "Does Deshaun Watson want to play football again?"

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6. Future of Broadcast Rights and ESPN's Strategy

Insights:

• Red Zone Expansion: With ESPN acquiring the Red Zone brand, the network plans to expand this concept to other sports leagues, leveraging their established talent and broadcasting expertise.

  [30:21] Dan Patrick: "ESPN would own those new rights going forward."

• Super Bowl Integration: ESPN is set to extend veteran broadcaster Boomer through his 50th year, ensuring his continued presence during key events like the Super Bowl.

  [27:35] Dan Patrick: "ESPN extending Boomer through his 50th year at the Mothership and making sure he's part of the Super Bowl."

Notable Quotes:

• [25:14] Noah: "What did ESPN buy from NFL Network?"

• [26:04] Dan Patrick: "They talk to a lot of people and only ESPN came up and stepped up to the table."

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7. Listener Interactions and Fun Segments

Throughout the episode, Dan Patrick engages with listeners through phone calls, addressing various topics ranging from favorite NFL throwback uniforms to personal anecdotes and light-hearted banter about movies and music.

Highlights:

• Best Throwback Uniforms: Listeners discuss iconic but historically underperforming team uniforms, highlighting the Tampa Bay Creamsicle uniforms as a case study.

  [35:30] Caller Corey: "Tampa Bay just revealed their awesome 1976 throwback, that white with the Creamsicle accent."

• Music and Movies: Casual discussions about Adam Sandler's latest movie and the classic film "Collateral" featuring Tom Cruise and Jamie Foxx.

  [37:08] Caller Craig: "The second Adam Sandler movie, the golf movie, is awesome."

• Anniversary Shout-Out: A heartfelt moment as a caller requests a shout-out for his wedding anniversary, adding a personal touch to the broadcast.

  [37:40] Noah: "Keep up the great job."

Notable Quotes:

• [33:04] Noah: "Ladies and gentlemen, the lead singer of Ornery Colon. Say hello to Todd Fritz."

• [43:29] Noah: "Devonte Adams of the Rams right now. Travis Hunter, listed as a backup cornerback, but a starting wide receiver..."

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8. Closing Remarks and Future Teasers

As the episode wraps up, Dan Patrick promotes upcoming shows and teases future content, including interviews with DeVonta Adams and discussions on trending NFL topics. The hosts also highlight additional podcasts and promotional content available through the iHeartRadio app.

[42:32] Dan Patrick: "Live edition of the Dan Patrick show."

[43:29] Noah: "Devonte Adams of the Rams right now. Travis Hunter..."

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Conclusion

This episode of The Dan Patrick Show delved deep into the evolving landscape of NFL media partnerships, player negotiations, and policy changes affecting the league. Through insightful discussions with industry experts Mike Florio and Michael McCarthy, listeners gained a comprehensive understanding of the implications of ESPN's stake in NFL Network, the intricacies of player contracts, and future broadcasting strategies. Additionally, engaging listener interactions provided a well-rounded and entertaining experience, making this one of the most informative and enjoyable episodes to date.

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[Noah]

Show on Fox Sports Radio final hour on this Wednesday, Dan and the Danettes, Dan Patrick, show More of your phone calls coming up. Update the poll results. Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, that's our streaming partner and we say good morning to our radio affiliates around the country. 8773 DP show operator Tyler is sitting by a few things. NFL wise, the merger between the mothership, NFL network and the NFL, 10% stake in ESPN. Now, it's probably going to have to wait until 2026. I'm, I'm just looking at some of the details. And these negotiations have lasted for about four years, but they finally have figured out how they can do this. The deal is subject to regulatory approval. If approved, it likely won't take effect until at least 2026. As part of the deal, ESPN will get an additional three NFL games per season. They were error on NFL Network partnership. And you have, you know, three entities here, NFL Network, the Mothership and NFL getting a 10% ownership stake in ESPN. I think from what I'm looking at, we'll, we'll find out a little bit more here later on in the hour. But this might help with distribution around the world. Having the partnership with espn, I'm just curious about what it means for you, the consumer. Like, what's this costing you? That's, that's really all I care about. You know, is the red zone going to cost more? Let's bring in Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk Live co host. His new book big Shield comes out August 19th. It's about the intersection of gambling, the mob and pro football. You can pre order the ebook for just 99 cents on Amazon. What does this deal mean? Let's start with the consumer. Why would they care about this, this merger?

[Devin]

Well, I don't know that the consumer was at the front of the mind for either of the parties involved in this, frankly. The NFL has had essentially a struggling media property and NFL Network, it's never become what they thought it was going to be. They created Thursday Night Football as a way to prop up NFL Network. It debuted in 2006 as a back half of the season Thursday night package to give NFL Network something that would make cable providers want it. It still never really took off and they've been trying for years to unload it, Dan. I mean, like 10 years they've been trying to get rid of this and they've tied it to different things. NBC was in the conversation at one point and now they get 10% equity in ESPN for these failing properties. And yeah, I don't know that the consumer was the main reason for this. And now the question becomes, how do we make this seamless for the consumer? You know, for example, ESPN did a deal as part of this to continue to televise the draft for the next five years. Well, when you turn on NFL Network for the draft, are you going to see Rich Eisen now? Are you going to see Mike Greenberg? Who's it going to be? And I think it's important for them to keep things normal from the perspective of the consumer, because I think most people are afraid, number one, things are going to change, and number two, we're going to get screwed. I just think that's the natural reaction to, to this news that these two behemoths have come together.

[Noah]

One of the first things that came to mind is, what if Fox has a problem with their deal? Or the NFL says to Fox here, take it. Take it or leave it. We'll have some like, I don't know if there's going to be. Well, the NFL is in bed with espn. And what's that mean for the other TV partners?

[Devin]

We will see. And look, you Give the league 10% equity in your company, and maybe the value isn't there to support it. But you know what's not going to happen? You're not going to lose Monday Night Football. You're not going to lose your spot in the super bowl rotation. You are now a permanent partner of the NFL at a time when all the tech companies are hovering and the TV deals are up after 2029. Technically 2033. But the league has the ability to pull the plug, and obviously it will. ESPN doesn't have to worry about being left out in the cold. And Dan, the other thing this does, and this really needs to be fleshed out by the union. Instead of taking money for these properties, taking equity, that may screw the players because the players don't share equity with the league. The players share money with the league. So you're offloading more games to ESPN and they're not paying X hundred million for them. They're giving you equity.

[Noah]

Oh.

[Devin]

Under the cba, that equity may be exclusive to ownership. And until equity turns into money, players don't get a penny. That's something the new interim executive director of the union had better put at the top of his to do list to figure out how are we possibly getting screwed by this.

[Noah]

You might be the first person, maybe the only person who pointed this out. But Jerry Jones talking to Micah Parsons without representation in there is not allowable. But Jerry wants the conversation to be allowable. And that they had a deal back in March. So what is the rule of an owner talking directly to a player about a contract?

[Devin]

You know, you really couldn't make this up.

[Noah]

The.

[Devin]

The. The. Jerry Jones and Chris Sims made this point earlier today on PFT Live. Certain owners will invoke any and all rules that help them. Well, that's the rule. Hey, the rules of the rules. Contracts, contracts. CBA says we can do this. But as to the stuff that gets in the way of what we're trying to do, forget about the rules. And it's clear in the cba, if there is a verbal agreement that is reached between a player and a team, it must be reduced to writing as soon as practical. The idea that they did a handshake deal back in March, and I think, you know, if there was a flowchart, Dan, step one would be, will Micah accept the deal that he supposedly agreed to in March, which surely is far less than whatever he wants now. And if he won't, I think what Jerry's trying to do is, is get Micah to play for 24 million this year and they're kick it all to next year. But you're right. Under the cba, you can't do this. You can't negotiate directly with the players. The agent is the exclusive representative certified by the union to act as the union in the dealings between player and team. And the NFL hasn't done anything about it. The union hasn't done anything about it. So, hey, if I'm Jerry Jones and they're not going to tell me I can't do it, what the hell, I'll keep doing it.

[Noah]

How's this play out?

[Devin]

I really do think that Jerry wants Micah to either take the deal that they had a handshake on in March or play for 24 million this year and kick it to next year. Because the key is this, Dan. The longer the team can keep the injury risk on the player, the more the team is protected against something happening to the player that. That would keep him from ever playing again or playing as well as he used to, career ending or career limiting, the risk is on the player, not on us. And for the team that's dealing with a bunch of different players, the more times you can keep that risk on the players, the better off you are over the long haul. And we've seen that they kick the can with Dak Prescott. You know, they kick the can until somebody says enough. That's why I still think he should have held out. If he'd have held out, they would eventually have caved like they did for CD Lamb last year, like they did for Ezekiel Elliott in 2019. They're going to try to. I think if he won't take the deal that he supposedly agreed to in March, they're going to try to kick this to next year. And I know 24 million sounds like a lot of money, but when the market's 41 and Micah should be getting 45. Yeah, you don't want to play this year for 24.

[Noah]

Why doesn't somebody say to Jerry Jones, you know, Jerry, you can't negotiate a contract with a player? And.

[Devin]

Well, because for whatever reason, nobody is willing to tell Jerry Jones he can't do it. And the union hasn't filed a grievance. It would be very easy to do if this new interim executive director wants to make a splash. What he could do, what David White could do immediately file a grievance against the Cowboys and Jerry Jones for dealing directly with players when they should be dealing with the agent. You want. You want to try to balance out the relationship a little bit. Stand up and fight for your players.

[Noah]

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[Devin]

You know, what took so long? It's been 16 years since they had their concussion epiphany. The first time I ever became aware of smelling salts, it was in a movie or a TV show where a boxer got knocked senseless and they stuck it under his nose to wake him up. And now they're finally like, oh, it could mask the symptoms of a concussion. Yeah, of course it can. That's why they use them. And how many years have we seen, like, the images of a guy on the sidelines, just not. Not because he's taken a. A blow to the head, but just. It kind of gets them going. Like, it's always been a weird look for the NFL, and now a sudden they realize probably not a good idea to supply these and they haven't banned them. You can bring your own, I assume. Bring your own smelling salts, stick them in your sock, and if you need a little kick before the game, so be it. But it's always been a strange thing to me, the huffing of ammonia at a time when they're ultra sensitive to concussions, where the smelling salts are always the thing that they use to wake a guy up who's taking a blow to the head.

[Noah]

Okay, but. So they're taking the liability away from the teams. Now it's on you. If you want to use smell salts, you can. We just. We're not taking any ownership.

[Devin]

We're not supplying them. Now. They'd have to negotiate with the union. See, that's the thing. And this gets back to collective bargaining. The league never wants to have to give anything up because currently the players are allowed to bring their own smelling salts. They're not banned from using them. So they'd have to sit down and give up a little of this, give up a little of that, maybe do a handshake deal with Jerry Jones in the room, and the next thing you know, the players are banned from using them at all. But, yes, this is a liability thing, Dan. We can't get sued. We can't get in trouble for supplying these to somebody who has a concussion and they take the hit of it and they go back in and play and they get a second concussion and they have a serious injury as a result of it.

[Noah]

If I'm a Rams fan, and I'm listening, watching, concerned about Matthew Stafford, what would you tell the Rams fan today about this situation?

[Devin]

I would say that for now, you should not be concerned. I believe, and I'm told he'll be back on the field later this week. Now, I don't know whether that means he's going to be fully participating in practice, but be working out on the field of a month to get ready for week one. And Matthew Stafford, I said this earlier today, if he wrote an autobiography, the chapter on all the injuries that he's had in his career would be the longest chapter in any book that's ever been written. He's had injuries we know about, he's had injuries we don't know about. He just sucks it up and he keeps going. I think they have deliberately given him time to let the back settle down. Anybody that's ever had a back problem knows it operates on its own timetable and it needs a certain period of time to get back to normal. And they wanted to, I believe, let it get to normal and give it even more time before they put him out there, because they don't want this to keep coming up. Throughout the course of the season, Troy Aikman has said, hey, people think I retired because of concussions. I retired because of back problems. And you think of a way that quarterbacks move and the twisting of the torquing. They're just giving him extra time. I think he'll be good to go.

[Noah]

Are the Browns trying to win this year?

[Devin]

I think that they're trying to do Dan. It's a twist on the plot of Major League. Their fans are upset that they're moving out of downtown Cleveland. Right. So if they are really, really bad, the fans won't be as upset that they're moving to suburban Brook park when they build their new stadium. It really is ridiculous to me. And this is what happens when you prior prioritize strategizing and analytics over building a football team. You don't draft Shador Sanders in round five. When you've taken Dylan Gabriel in round three, you don't obviously give up three first round picks plus and a $230 million fully guaranteed contract to Sean Watson. It's like every decision point the Browns have in front of them over the past 10 years, they've gone the wrong way and here's where they are. So, yeah, this, this is going to be. It just feels like it's going to be a disaster for the Browns. And I feel bad for Browns fans. They deserve so much better than what they've gotten. And it all goes back to ownership. It all starts there. And what they've gotten under Jimmy Haslam has been unacceptable.

[Noah]

What is desean Watson do every day?

[Devin]

Well, he is working his way back, Dan, to full health. And that is where this messy quarterback situation gets even worse. When he shows up with the piece of paper that says you're good to go, they got a decision to make. They either got to put him on the 53 man roster with however many other quarterbacks they're going to carry into the season, or they have to release him. And Dan, if they release him, they take a $130 million cap charge next year for his contract. If they release him right now. So he may be on the roster, we may have a fight under the CBA where the player says, I'm healthy and the team says, no, you're not. And they have a grievance where the doctors fight it out to prove whether or not Deshaun Watson's healthy. And if he wins, they've either got to put him on the roster or they have to cut him. That's it. And they're not going to cut him because they're not going to take that $131 million cap charge next year.

[Noah]

Does Desean Watson want to play football again?

[Devin]

I think he looked, you know, I think where the worm may have turned for him because, you know, between the rustiness and the injuries and the off field issues, I, I think it really did affect him as a human being. How could it not? All those different things and, and look, I'm not excusing it. Direct result of his own alleged misbehavior, but when the owner of the team comes out and says, in March, man, we really took a swing and a miss on that one, that's kind of a middle finger to Deshaun Watson. So now he's got a purpose, he's got a reason. He's got. He's got an Apollo Creed for his Rocky Balboa to try to make this a comeback story. And I'm sure he'd love to stick it to Jimmy Haslam and put the Browns in a position where they've got to activate him and put him back on the roster. I, I think the guy fully intends to get healthy and come back and try to be the guy that he was that made the Browns give up all that stuff to get him.

[Noah]

Can Justin Tucker play again?

[Devin]

Well, he's gonna have to serve the 10 game suspension, but you know, Dan, the reality is this. He dipped last year from a performance standpoint. Now, if he can convince a team that he can show up and kick like he used to, then you get into the question of do we want to take. And this. Look, I hate to be the cynical about it, but this is the way it works. What's the PR hit? What kind of criticism are we going to take if we bring in Justin Tucker? How much better is he going to make us? Are we better off just getting a guy no one knows to be our kicker? That's the analysis a team's going to have to make.

[Noah]

Good to talk to you. Thank you again, Mike.

[Devin]

Thank you, Dan. See you, buddy.

[Noah]

That's Mike Florio fighting a good fight. Pro Football TALK LIVE CO host, NBC FOOTBALL NIGHT IN AMERICA yeah, the Justin Tucker, you know, the, the combination of everything that happened off the field and on the field, he wasn't good or wasn't up to his hall of Fame standards, made it easy for the Ravens to go. We can say goodbye to you, but if this is three years ago, then all of a sudden you have to weigh the. It's just like when Michael Vic came out of prison and he went to the Eagles. All right, there's going to be a PR hit. How long is it going to last? Is it worth it? You know, Ray Rice. Ray Rice couldn't overcome that, but he was a little bit older as a running back and we couldn't overcome that. We, we see this all the time. It's, you know, what are you accused of and how good are you? It's kind of a, you know, the scale balancing that you have with some teams. Like, you know, and I always love when the owner or the GM or the coach, you know, everybody deserves a second chance. Okay. All right. You go get them. All right. We'll take a break. More on the espn, NFL, NFL Network merger. Have that for you. Coming up, more of your phone calls as well. Back after this.

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[Noah]

More Phone calls coming up. 877-3DP show. Mike McCarthy, front office sports senior media reporter and tuned in columnist joining us on the program. Mike, thanks for joining us. What did ESPN buy from NFL Network?

[Dan Patrick]

I think they bought themselves an insurance policy, Dan. I think when you look at the future and you see streamers like Apple coming in, it's going to be a lot harder for NFL to get rid of ESPN or take away their Monday night package if they're actual equity partners together. So I think that's one thing. I think number two, they bought a huge selling point for their new direct to consumer platform, Red Zone. NFL Network, NFL programming. This is the beachfront property that we all want. So I think those are the two big things.

[Noah]

Anybody else consider this move, buying NFL Network?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, they talked to a lot of people and only espn, you know, came up and stepped up to the table and I think there's gonna be a lot of grousing. Dan, amongst the other media partners, is ESPN gonna get favored nation treatment? Are they going to get a better game schedule? Are they going to get more Super Bowls? But you know, I think the NFL's answer to that will be tough. You had your chance. And just like the the NFL TV partners passed on Thursday Night Football and it ended up on Amazon. They had their chance and they didn't go for it.

[Noah]

Does Fox have a gripe about this? Does NBC have a gripe? Will they? As you said, it feels like the NFL is going to give preferential treatment to espn and, you know, as a result of this deal, I think they.

[Dan Patrick]

Will have a gripe. I think there's going to be grumbling. I think there's going to be some, you know, working of the referees, as it were, Dan, you know, to try to make sure everybody gets favored nation status. But in the end, the NFL doesn't care. The NFL makes up the rules and they play by their own rules. And, you know, if they don't like it, they can go pound sand.

[Noah]

So in three years from now, Stephen A. Smith is handing out the Lombardi Trophy.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, actually, I was hoping you would do it then.

[Noah]

I'm not going back to the Mothership, but, you know, maybe Rich Eisen can, because it would be awesome if Chris Berman got to hand out a Super bowl trophy in his.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, that was one of my favorite stories recently was ESPN extending boomer through his 50th year at the Mothership and making sure he's part of, of the Super Bowl. You know, as you know, Dan, you know, ESPN has wanted the super bowl since its founding. They've got a countdown clock there on Bristol, you know, taking away the time until 2027. So it's going to be big for them.

[Noah]

I remember when I was up there, what Was that? The 45th anniversary, and I was talking to Jimmy Potaro and I said, don't let Chris Berman disappear. Don't let him disappear. He, the network owes him. Make sure you keep him on prime time. And you know, what he did, he said, you know, I really appreciate you telling me that. I said, this is what Chris lives for. This is important to him. And I truly mean that. You know, what he's meant. He's the most important person in the history of ESPN because of what he's done for that place and continues to do it. So if he got a chance to hand out the super bowl trophy, the only problem is they would have to tell Chris, you got to speed up, though. You can't be, you know, spending a lot of time at, you know, time is money. Get the trophy, do your interviews, and then send it back up to the booth.

[Dan Patrick]

That's right. That's right. He's got to get it. He's got to get it together and do it fast. But I mean, you're right. I mean, NFL primetime was so influential back in the day, you know, for the Internet and all the rest of it. That's how we got our highlights. You know, that's how we checked out our fantasy football players. And we lived and died by that.

[Noah]

Show talking to Mike McCarthy. It's front office sports senior media reporter. I brought up the conflict of interest with the Mothership and the NFL. I don't know if it matters. You know, they own 10% of ESPN now. You know, ESPN has been a partner with NFL forever anyway. I mean, this is. Now it just becomes official. Is there any thought to that from ESPN side of this, of the optics of how this looks?

[Dan Patrick]

You know, I was asking them about it today, and they don't see it as a problem. I mean, ESPN is already paying $2.7 billion a year for Monday Night Football rights, which is far more than any other media reporter. You know, as a journalist, does it concern me? Yes. But I think these issues come under the heading of the horses out of the barn. You know, we're not going back to the days where ESPN is going to do playmakers or do something that's going to tick off Paul Tagliabu or Roger Goodell. They know that the NFL is where it's at and they want to stay on the good side of the NFL.

[Noah]

The future of Red Zone is.

[Dan Patrick]

Future of Red Zone is not going to change. Thank you. Scott Hansen will continue to host the Red Zone. They will continue to produce the show, NFL Network. However, here's the real wrinkle in this, Dan, is ESPN gets the rights to the Red Zone brand, so they will in the future be able to do future red zones for other league partners. Now, if I'm espn, I'm going to the NBA right now and saying I want to do a red zone for the NBA, especially with Amazon and NBC breathing down my neck this fall.

[Noah]

Hmm. Well, they, they would have the licensing for Red Zone, you're saying, right?

[Dan Patrick]

That's right. And they would be able to create a red zone for the NBA, a red zone for the NHL, possibly a red zone for college football, and ESPN would own those new rights going forward.

[Noah]

Great work. Keep it up. Mike, great to talk to you again. Thank you for joining us.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, dan.

[Noah]

That's Michael McCarthy. He's a front office sports senior media reporter. All right. It's interesting, but once again, some of it is kind of inside tv. And that's where I want to kind of figure out what it's going to mean to us, the consumer. You know, the cord cutting, you know, that was a big reason why Mothership was trying to. How do we, how do we, you know, ensure ourselves that we're going to continue to be worth whatever it is? I think the three years ago, $26 billion, the valuation was with the mothership. Now you add this and it feels like NFL Network or they finally get a home. ESPN gets more programming and a better relationship with the league and the league gets more distribution. It feels like it's a win, win, win until you get your cable bill and all of a sudden you go, wait a minute, why am I paying for Scott Hansen here? Even though I love Scott, but you're going to be paying for it somehow, some way. The Direct to Consumer.

[Devin]

Over the past.

[Unknown]

15 years, ESPN has had a gold zone goal line system for college football. It's not as robust and perfect like the NFL because the games aren't scheduled exactly that way, but they do have a bit of a cutaway system to watch college football highlights.

[Noah]

John in Syracuse. Hi, John. What's on your mind today?

[Unknown]

Sitting on this for a while. I have all the hypothetical band names that you guys have come up with throughout the years.

[Noah]

No. Okay.

[Unknown]

And there's about 35 of them and I can read them all real quick. And I'll try not to make it look like I'm eating my own face.

[Noah]

Okay.

[Unknown]

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[Noah]

Thank you, John. AKA this year's Bonnaroo lineup. I love that. Thank you, John. The Ornery Colon. That's my favorite one. It toured with Guar.

[Devin]

Yeah.

[Noah]

If I'm not mistaken, they opened for Guar. Ladies and gentlemen, the lead singer of Ornery Colon. Say hello to Todd Fritz.

[Dan Patrick]

How's it going, everybody?

[Noah]

Thanks for coming out. Aw. In Virginia. Aw. What's on your mind? Oh, hey.

[Unknown]

Oh, I just wanted to tell you that the second Adam Sandler movie, the golf movie, is awesome. My wife and I have already watched it twice. We think it's better than the first one.

[Noah]

Well, thank you. Aw. Lot of great reaction to it. What I find, you know, kind of fascinating is I have a couple of neighbors and they're around my age and one of the guys I see him yesterday, goes, saw the movie. Now, I know just by that delivery that you didn't like It. So he goes, hey, saw the movie. I said, frank, it's not a movie for our demographic. It's probably for your daughter, maybe somebody younger. And he goes, okay, that was it. He goes, do they let you keep the mustache? I go, no, no, I had to give that back. Corey in Kansas City. Hi, Corey. What's on your mind today?

[Unknown]

Hey, good morning, Mr. Patrick, gentlemen. And Todd Mark Seaman, Wu Tang forever. Guys suck at portside. Hey, Marvin, don't let Dan lie to you. By the way, even us Midwestern white boys wanted that Charlotte Hornet starter jacket. But speaking of unis, Tampa Bay just revealed their like awesome 1976 throwback, that white with the Creamsicle accent. I want to know your guys's opinion on the best throwbacks in the NFL.

[Noah]

Okay, but thank you, Corey. But hold on here. Not everybody was in on the Creamsicle. They made fun of the Creamsicle because Tampa wasn't good. If, if you have Patrick Mahomes wear Creamsicle, it's going to look good because it's Patrick Mahomes or if Josh Allen's wearing it. If you go back and history was not kind of to the, the, the Creamsicle uniform, I love it. In fact, the graffiti artist R.C. who did all the work in the field house there out on the basketball court in the football field, I had him come in when Tom Brady went to Tampa Bay, and I had him come in and repaint Brady as a patriot. And I said, hey, I want you to do the Creamsicle. And he said, you're going to have to explain that to me. And I said, here's the picture of the uniform. And if you're watching on Peacock now, I asked my artist, who is a wonderful street artist, and RC Came in and put Tom Brady in the Creamsicle. And it looks great because it's Tom Brady in a Creamsicle. That's the big difference. Craig in Virginia. Hi, Craig. What's on your mind today?

[Unknown]

Thanks, Dan. Love your interviews. Just like today's three. Always so insightful. I wanted to add that on your topic earlier about Presidential Fitness Award. I'm a fifth grade teacher. I can confirm that the Fitness award is very tough to get. I'm still trying to get it 30 years later. But more importantly, it's my wife and I's anniversary. You guys are a must listen in our household, especially when we are on the road traveling during the summer. So I want to see if we can get a shout out for my wife and I's anniversary. Keep up the great Job.

[Noah]

And your wife's name is?

[Unknown]

Abby.

[Noah]

Abby. Oh, Abby. Dear Abby. Yeah. All right. Good kisser.

[Manny]

What?

[Noah]

Craig, congratulations. Our best to Abby. Our best. Good kisser, Abs. Absolutely, Absolutely. Hey now, Michael in Nashville. Hi, Mike. What's on your mind?

[Unknown]

Hey, Dan. How you doing? I got three quick questions for you. I'll try to do this quickly. Number one, I'm driving to Cincinnati currently. I know you know the area, so I was curious for some beer restaurant or brewery suggestions while my friend gets off work. Two, I'm going to the Cincinnati Open. So I'm curious about your favorite tennis player that you've ever seen play live since I'll be seeing Alcaraz and Center tomorrow. And last question. A little and a little. Little off topic here. Last question. Pandora Stat of the day song makes me die laughing every hear it when she does the piano song version. Please tell me you guys are going to be streaming that when it happens.

[Noah]

Oh, yes, you'll be able to see it. It'll be on Peacock. We're, we're hoping Pandora will join us now. She lives outside of Reno and, you know, she has an open invitation to come in. And if she can't join us for the show, then maybe after the show, I want to get a piano and just have Pandora laying across the top of the piano and singing. Stat of the day, start of the day.

[Manny]

We love your stat of the day.

[Noah]

Of the day. Dad of the day. Oh, damn. Give us the dad of the day. All right, That's Pandora. Favorite tennis player. I would say McEnroe. I mean, he was just, he was at the peak of his powers. Everybody loved, you know, you were seeing something great. But I got to see Connors and Sampras and Borg and so many great, great tennis. Yvonne Lendle. Yes, Marv.

[Devin]

Would tennis be more popular here if we had better American players or if the best players were American?

[Noah]

Sure. Okay. Yeah.

[Devin]

It just seems like the biggest stars like McEnroe and those guys, well, when.

[Noah]

You had Sampras And Agassi, Connors, McEnroe, I mean, there are just so many great players. Andy Roddick's our last. He was our last great hope. But, you know, and he took some of the great players toe to toe. I don't have a, a brew pub. Paulie could probably find one in Cincinnati.

[Unknown]

The only Cincinnati beer I know and have tried is Rhine geist, which is old school. Great looking cans. And I know they have a brewery in brewpoint.

[Noah]

Nice cans. So I think I answered all your questions. Yes. I don't have a brew pub or anything like that in Cincinnati, but I think Cincinnati is home to probably the best potato chips I've ever had in my whole life. Grip. Grippers, Grippo, something like that. There's like, Grip. Some kind of like. I don't know if they're barbecue or whatever, but one time I was driving through Ohio and in the Cincinnati area, I stopped and got the bet. I think it's called Grippos. The best bag of potato chips I've ever had in my whole life. Yeah, people talk about that. Yeah.

[Unknown]

Confirm Grippo Potato chip company.

[Noah]

Oh, man, they are just electric. Yeah. There's also an awesome ice cream place. It might be in Dayton, Ohio. People come from all over for this ice cream. I'm not an ice cream person, but people have talked about it. Yeah.

[Unknown]

Paulie, I mentioned this before to you. My sister went to Miami of Ohio and we were talking.

[Noah]

Which is where Jenny Batche went. Yes.

[Unknown]

All works together. We went to the Montgomery Inn for ribs and they lived up to the billing. It was outside of Cincinnati.

[Noah]

Yep, Yep. People come in from the rip. People order the ribs outside of Cincinnati. Do you see the famous ice cream and be. Dayton, Ohio. Dayton.

[Unknown]

Checking.

[Noah]

Yeah. But I'm not an ice cream. Even though my wife runs an ice cream place, she's always going, here, try this. I go, what is it? She goes to try it. It's. It's fig and it's mint and it's. I think. All right. Tastes great, hon. Yes.

[Unknown]

Paulie, I got a couple. Ritter's Frozen Custard. No, that's Kettering Graters.

[Noah]

Ice Graters. Graters.

[Unknown]

G R A E T E R S. Yeah.

[Noah]

Graters.

[Unknown]

Probably German.

[Noah]

Yes, that's another one of those. People come from all over for that one. Okay, how about we take a break? Last call for phone calls. What we learn what's in store tomorrow. After this, be sure to catch the.

[Dan Patrick]

Live edition of the Dan Patrick show.

[Noah]

Weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on.

[Dan Patrick]

Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

[Noah]

Devonte Adams, the Rams wide receiver who joined us in Lake Tahoe. He was a great interview. He was on the Pivot podcast and he was asked about Travis Hunter playing both offense and defense.

[Devin]

I don't even think it's possible to do for real, not at a high level, and then go in there. It's hard enough to go cover a punt and then. And then be on, you know, one side, you know, And I didn't. I haven't done it. I'M not acting like I'm on kickoff or punt, but I can see the dudes. And I know, you know, you. You. You got your guys, and you see the yardage of my yardage over the. Over the game versus somebody that starts on offense and then plays special teams as well. Like, that's just a lot of mileage, man. And I don't know how long. I'm not even concerned so much if he can do it over the course of a game or a season. It's more like, how long is his career going to be.

[Noah]

Devonte Adams of the Rams right now. Travis Hunter, listed as a backup cornerback, but a starting wide receiver. We just had a caller talk about the best NFL throwback uniforms, and he was citing the Tampa Bay creamsicle uniforms. And I just caution people that when that happened, when Tampa Bay. And Tampa Bay was terrible back then, that I think you kind of partnered, hey, that's a terrible team. So those are terrible uniforms. How often do you have a terrible team with great uniforms? Marvin, you are the uniform police here. Terrible team, but a great uniform.

[Devin]

In my entire adult life. The Raiders.

[Noah]

The Raiders are terrible uniforms. Oh, I'm sorry. All bad team. Yeah, but they were great before the. So they. They won Super Bowls. I'm talking about a team that doesn't have, you know, a history of. Boy, they. They were a winning friend. Tampa Bay was a. That was a, you know, new team, new expansion team, and they were terrible. And then you had the uniforms that went with them. Yeah, Paulie.

[Unknown]

I would say the Patriots in the late 70s and early 80s had great uniforms with the Patriots snapping on the side. And then they changed and they got better as a franchise, but they were cool uniforms. Not great teams.

[Noah]

Yeah. Seaton. So we're saying a crap team, but good uniforms. Yeah. Probably go Michigan. Wow. What are you doing? What are you doing? Dang. Out of nowhere. I guess Michigan, maybe. Okay, how about the Seahawks, when they first started, weren't great, but the uniforms were fun.

[Unknown]

They look cool.

[Noah]

Yes. Marvin.

[Devin]

One of my favorites as a kid. Even though they were awful. The LA Rams, the Jerome Bettish years. Love those uniforms.

[Noah]

Were they awful?

[Devin]

I don't remember the Rams when I was a kid. Latest generational. They were always terrible.

[Noah]

Okay. Yeah. I forget how old you are. You're young to certain people. Yeah, you are. No, you're young in this room.

[Devin]

You.

[Noah]

Me.

[Devin]

But playing pickup basketball.

[Noah]

Unk. Give me the ball. They call you uncles.

[Devin]

Gosh, I am literally that guy.

[Noah]

Okay, OG Nate in Colorado. What's on your Mind Nate.

[Unknown]

Morning, gentlemen. Hey, your last interview, he brought up the fact that ESPN purchased the rights to the red zone broadcast. I didn't realize that was something that was separate, but it got me. My first thought was, okay, ESPN just bought this. Did you envision a red zone type program since they all have the PNP talent for the NBA? Kenny, Shaq, Ernie, Charles on, like, a red zone type of broadcast. Did you see that coming down the road?

[Noah]

No, not for them. Because I think you want content. I think you want the discussion that you have with the red zone. You don't get that kind of. You know, it's very quick. You're going to this, and then you're coming back. You're going to someplace else. You want to see Charles and Shaq, Kenny, Ernie. You want them to be able to have a discussion. How about this day in Sports history? Paul?

[Unknown]

1890 Cy Young. The pitcher got his first major league victory. He got 511 in his career. And of course, he never won the Cy young. Embarrassing by him. Satchel page at 46 in 1952, oldest pitcher to complete a major league baseball game. How about this day in movie history?

[Noah]

Good.

[Devin]

Great.

[Unknown]

All time great. Or Collateral with Tom Cruise and Jamie Foxx, released in 2004.

[Noah]

You guys are high on it. I'm not.

[Unknown]

Oh, that's a good movie.

[Noah]

No, Tom's hair looks terrible.

[Unknown]

It's unique.

[Noah]

I watched a few good Men last night. Yeah. Damn. Demi Morris. Awesome. She's great in the role.

[Unknown]

I would have joined the military.

[Noah]

I would have, too. I want on. I want to be on her wall.

[Dan Patrick]

Me too.

[Noah]

She doesn't need me on that wall. And I thought. I thought Jack Nicholson was great, too, in his role. You don't like Collateral? No.

[Unknown]

You should watch it two more times.

[Noah]

I don't think I've ever seen Collateral. Tom's got, I guess, gray hair. Give it a shot. Jamie Fox.

[Unknown]

Really good number.

[Noah]

Okay, Todd, what'd you learn today?

[Unknown]

We're gonna get more comments about this.

[Noah]

No, Todd, would you learn? Andy Staples has joined all the dan EDS in agreeing to take a pie to the face if Notre Dame goes undefeated. I like it. I like it. Seaton, what'd you learn today? I learned you don't love Collateral because of Tom Cruise's hair. I didn't. Among other things. Marvin, what did you learn today?

[Devin]

Fritzy calls his wife Red pen.

Jen.

[Noah]

Corrected us all the time. Well, she's a school teacher. Paul, would you learn Collateral?

[Unknown]

Homework assignment.

[Noah]

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