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You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. Final hour on this Monday, Best and worst of the weekend. What you saw that you liked, you didn't like. Operator Tyler is sitting by. He'll take your phone calls. Good morning if you're watching on Peacock, thank you for downloading the app. We say good morning if you're listening on our radio affiliates around the country. Paul Feinbaum of the Mothership will join us. We'll talk about where we're going with the ncaa. The settlement opens the door for schools to pay athletes directly. What could go wrong? We'll talk to Paul about that and what it means to you. For you, the football fan, I don't know if it will mean anything that you'll be able to see right away, but we'll talk to Paul about that poll question for the final hour of the program. Seaton is going to be.
Paulie
Well, we haven't really discussed this one on the air much or. Well, not much. Not really actually at all. But it's more of a story off air oh, better. Corn chip Doritos or Fritos?
Dan Patrick
Better. Who is having this conversation? I am okay with anybody else.
Paulie
We have a bag of Fritos back there. And that made me wonder which I prefer more, Fritos or Doritos. I'm much more of a Doritos guy, I think. But I'm appreciating these Fritos a lot. Made me wonder if I've been underappreciating them.
Dan Patrick
You're kind of sneaky snacker. You're the sneaky snacker.
Paulie
I'm a constant snacker.
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
Paulie
I am a sneaky snacker.
Dan Patrick
But I do. I'll catch Seaton in there. And I can hear, you know, we have these gumball machines, but we filled them up with jelly beans and M&Ms, and I'll just hear that.
Paulie
These nerds clusters back there. Now all of a sudden, there's these sweet tart ropes and like a Jolly Rancher rope. It's just my will is truly being tested on a minute by minute basis.
Dan Patrick
Feels like the nachos are a little more decadent as opposed to Fritos. Fritos are a staple. Doritos. It feels like you're like, I'm in the mood for Doritos. Fritos. They're always there. Yes, Todd.
Todd
Yeah, I would lean towards Doritos, but very. Fritos is a. Don't sleep on. Especially the Frito scoops. Once you start doing the scoop.
Dan Patrick
There it is.
Todd
There's a difference between corn chips and the scoops. There it is.
Lester Holt
They made it easier on us.
Dan Patrick
Scoop there. Yeah.
Todd
Now you can dip it in stuff, and it's a good idea to scoop.
Dan Patrick
Yes, yes.
Lester Holt
Paul and Fritos have a versatile personality. You could use Fritos in chili. You could use Fritos in a lot of different ways. Personal snack.
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
Paulie
Right now 60% of the audience take Doritos, though.
Dan Patrick
Okay? Yes.
Todd
Todd, do you remember the old Fritos commercial? Muncha, buncha, muncha munch, munch Fritos goes with lunch. It was a very popular commercial back in the day.
Dan Patrick
Probably 1981.
Todd
Probably, yeah. Early to mid-80s. Right on there.
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Go figure.
Todd
Bunch a bunch of Fritos goes with lunch.
Dan Patrick
Thank you, Todd. We got hockey coming up tonight. It's game three. Hopefully more overtime. Panthers and the Oilers Thunder, they tie the series. And now it goes to Indiana. Next game will be Wednesday night. I think the commissioner of the NBA, Adam Silver, is joining us on Wednesday.
Todd
That is correct.
Dan Patrick
All right, all right. Probably from Indiana.
Todd
I Would hope so.
Dan Patrick
Okay.
Todd
Interested in showing up at the game? That'd be a great place for him to be.
Dan Patrick
Okay. All right. Last night, pretty impressive. The Pacers are the first team in 12 years to not have a 20 point score in the first two games of the NBA Finals. I'm all for balance scoring, but I would need to have a little more balance with that scoring, and that's the problem. Can you score enough to beat OKC? And OKC has been very resilient. They're 50 this postseason after a loss. And with Shay Shea Gilchris Alexander is going to get his points. He's going to get 30. And it's rare when you go, okay, that guy's getting 30 in the postseason. He's the eighth player in NBA history to score 34 more in each of the first two games of the NBA Finals. Joining these are all hall of Famers. LeBron, Shaq Jordan, Kareem, Jerry West, John Havalchek, and Elgin Baylor. Brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the Dan Patrick show. As you know, I've stumbled upon Facebook, so I do, in my downtime, go through and watch videos. Golf videos could be music icons playing in a concert, could be basketball related or baseball football related. And I came across some John Havil Check highlights. And John Havil Check is hall of Famer with the Boston Celtics. I think he had 26,000 points in his career, and it's an, oh, by the way, 26,000. He wasn't even the best guy on his own college team. That was Jerry Lucas, and he played on the same team. Bob Knight was on that team, but Bob wasn't a great college player. But Hondo, his nickname, John Havalchek, he was a. He kind of married a couple of different generations of the Celtics. So you had him with Russell and Koozie, and then he was the sixth man. He created the sixth man of the year award, or it was created because of him. And then he played with Dave Cowens, you know, so he was sort of that bridge with the Celtics. And his stats are unbelievable. Unbelievable. But he's one of those guys that you just. You kind of lump him in with all the Celtics. Well, he's different than most of the Celtics because Dave Cowens, who played with Havalchek, is quoted as saying he would take Havil Check over Larry Bird. Now, you know he played with Havalchek. Dave didn't play with Larry. But still, that's high praise for John Havalchek, who was A guy who never stopped. If you watched him play, he was in constant motion. If, if you look at, you know, the way Reggie Miller played, it was constant motion. Havalchek's the first guy, remember, who never stopped. And you know that if you talk to somebody who plays defense, it's the guy who never stops, who's really hard to guard. And he was a wonderful player, clutch player, and probably an 11 time, 12 time all star. Yeah, Paulie.
Lester Holt
Yeah, you're right. He stopped playing in 78, 13 straight all star appearances. First team all NBA defense, seven straight years. And during those years, he's averaging like 27, 24, 26. No all purpose player. He's a great example of the TV era. Missed him.
Dan Patrick
Yep. But he was involved in one of the greatest games, craziest games. That was against the Phoenix Suns against the Boston Celtics when Boston thought they had won the game. Fans are storming the court and there was like, I don't know, a second left. And that's when you had Gar Herd hitting the shot that sent it into overtime. As one of my favorite series because I, I love the Phoenix Suns. Alvin Adams and Ricky Sobers, they were a fun team to watch. But the Boston Celtics, a wild finish at the Garden. Yeah.
Paulie
Paul Seton is Havilchek sort of like in his movement. It made me think of Steph Curry. He's sort of always just going, is that. Would that be similar or.
Dan Patrick
Well, he wasn't, he wasn't the shooter. He was a scorer.
Paulie
Yeah, but the movement of just. Yeah, yeah, he never stops.
Dan Patrick
Yes. Constant, constant motion. And I just used to be, you know, guys would stand around in the NBA back in the old day, but Havilchek. I remember reading an article, what makes John Havalchek run? That was the title of the article. Because he never stopped. And he probably could have been a great marathon runner and he was a great athlete. I think the Cleveland Browns drafted him as maybe a tight end.
Lester Holt
Yeah, Paulie, he had eight titles again in 13 years. I think what happens to guys like him? Remember that Steelers team, that 7, 8 year run with the Steelers in the 70s and early 80s? All their players end up in the hall of Fame, but they kind of get lumped together as a group. And like Jack Lambert, if you said, who's the greatest middle linebacker of all time? Jack Lambert from the Steelers, his name doesn't come up because he's almost like part of a group. And Havalchek is not a standalone. He's a Celtic great or a Steeler Great. So you're kind of. It's a good thing because you go to the hall of Fame because of it, but it's a negative for your personal career. Maybe.
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Sam Jones, to me, was an incredible player, but, you know, there was K.C. jones on the same team, but Sam Jones was a. A very underrated player. And you're right, because it was top heavy with Koozie and Russell. And you find this with certain teams where it's so top heavy that the other players are kind of complimentary. Like, Havalchek was a complimentary player to Russell and Cousy, but he was not. You know, even Tommy Heinson was a wonderful player. You do get lost in that winning. I guess that's a good thing to get lost in a winning tradition. Yeah, Paul.
Lester Holt
Like Klay Thompson. Klay Thompson's career is going to be very memorable, and he's got titles like crazy. He's got no records for scoring or team records, but I think you'd prefer that than to average 30 for five years with the Hawks.
Dan Patrick
Oh, I'm winning titles. Like winning titles is getting him into the hall of Fame.
Lester Holt
If Havalczek played for the Atlanta Hawks, he'd have crazy stats and we'd never talk about him again.
Dan Patrick
He would probably not be a Hall of Famer. You win titles, it's like they held it against the. The Vikings when they lost four Super Bowls. They've held that against the Buffalo Bills getting there. I mean, there has to be. It has to be rewarded. And we are a bottom line, you know, sports society. Did you win? No, no, I always. The way we looked at teams who got blown out in the super bowl, it's like, oh, those guys suck. Those guys are terrible. Like, they made it to the super bowl, but we would always look at who won. Never get, like, you know, LeBron getting to an NBA Finals and getting to the Finals as many times, even if he lost, it's a monumental achievement to get there as many times. Yes, Marvin. I think that's why people look back.
Tom Yamas
At what John Elway did in those early years when he got the Broncos to the super bowl and he lost against some great, great teams. And it's like, well, look who he brought to the Super Bowl.
Dan Patrick
And you saw what happened when he.
Tom Yamas
Got a good running game in a good defense.
Dan Patrick
You could see him start winning Super.
Tom Yamas
Bowls when he got a complete team.
Dan Patrick
But if he doesn't win those Super Bowls, I don't know if we look at him as a Hall of Famer. Because he was being embarrassed or his teams were being embarrassed in Super Bowls, not giving him the credit. He deserved to get his team to the super bowl because those offenses weren't good. Yes, Paulie.
Lester Holt
And there's some baseball teams like that. The late 70s Dodgers with Ron say and Marshall and all Garvey, you can't even get to all the names. Your team, the Reds, I think that's the most talented baseball team of my lifetime. The late mid to late 70s reds, you can't even keep track of all the hall of Famers on that team. And Johnny Bench might be the only one who gets the greatest of all time treatment. You know, I don't think Dave Concepcion gets his due. He's part of a group with the Reds.
Dan Patrick
Yeah. And Prez is not considered a, you know, one of the great first basemen of all time. Pete's one of the great players of all time. Joe Morgan, one of the great second basemen of all time. And Johnny, you know, if not the best catcher of all time, certainly on the short list there. Yes, Marvin, Sorry.
Tom Yamas
Going back to something you said earlier, you said John Elway wouldn't be considered.
Dan Patrick
A Hall of Famer, or just maybe.
Tom Yamas
In the Marino conversation.
Dan Patrick
It might be in the Marino, but Marino was putting up better numbers than John. Back then. You weren't throwing for 30 touchdowns. I don't think Montana or Elway, maybe one time they threw for 30 or 31 touchdown passes. It was just a different game. And, you know, that's why when you say somebody will look at Bart Starr or Bob Greasy's stats and go, why is he a Hall of Famer? It was different back then, what you were asked to do. You were a game manager. That's why whenever I talk about a game manager, I mean, it's based off what I saw with some of the greatest quarterbacks of all time who played in a different generation. Johnny Unitis, Bart Starr, Bob Greasy, like, they managed the game. You want me to throw 25 times? Okay. You want me to throw 15. Okay. And I, I look at that as high praise. I think Patrick Mahomes is more of a game manager now. And it's not a negative. Like, he'll manage the game until he needs to go solo. And maybe, you know, you get to the fourth quarter, you know, Tom Brady managed the game as well as anybody who's ever played. And then you get to the point where you go, okay, now we need you to go above and beyond. We need you to put on a cape. Yeah, Seaton. Yeah.
Paulie
Like There has to be different ways to use game manager, because game manager before was. It felt like more you put this guy in and say, just don't screw it up.
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
Paulie
And we'll try to win it.
Dan Patrick
You're right. And I.
Paulie
And that's not fair, you know, to somebody like Patrick Mahomes, who's managing a game in a completely different way.
Dan Patrick
Yeah. I need to come up with a better term, a complimentary term, because then all of a sudden, if somebody say, hey, Patrick Mahomes, Dan Patrick call you a game manager. Although he might go, yeah, I mean, my, my. I have to manage the game. That's the position. Yeah. Paul.
Lester Holt
Yeah. Game manager sounds like a guy who's middle of the road, maybe still wears a name tag at work. But if you said game CEO, that means that guy's the boss.
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
Lester Holt
And can make the decisions.
Dan Patrick
No, you're right. You're right.
Lester Holt
Game CEO.
Dan Patrick
Got to come up with a game CEO.
Lester Holt
Yeah, It'll catch on.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, we'll workshop that. Yes, Todd.
Todd
Like director, captain. Like what. What word could fit there, though?
Dan Patrick
Well, captain, there's already captains on a team.
Todd
But, like, you're so used to the word manager. But it does have that a negative connotation to it. And it's going to always have that unless they come up with something else.
Dan Patrick
Haircut looks fresh.
Todd
Thanks.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, get that over the weekend.
Todd
I did. Wife did a little buzz cut, went a little too short. But for the summer, there's not much to work with. Anyway, she made some kind of silver fox comment. Tongue in cheek. Whatever.
Dan Patrick
A little bit of hair.
Tom Yamas
Cialis moment.
Lester Holt
Hey, silver fox, that's a green light. I like that she waved you home.
Dan Patrick
Were you guys sitting in bathtubs?
Paulie
The wall fell away and all of a sudden a magical forest appeared. And you two walked hand in hand toward two bathtubs.
Dan Patrick
Are you. Are you driving a. A convertible? A Mustang convertible.
Marvin
Room.
Paulie
Perhaps your hands touched slightly in the look.
Todd
Oh, I like your versions of it. As opposed to what actually happened. A lot more exciting the way you guys. Yeah, she said it with an eye roll and like, you know, tongue in cheek kind of thing. As opposed to like, hey, you know, kids aren't here and silver fox, you got a nice haircut I just gave you. Let's take it. Take it upstairs. It wasn't like that at all.
Paulie
Oh, sorry to hear that, buddy.
Tom Brokaw
Damn.
Todd
It was just a haircut.
Dan Patrick
Well, she's kind of a game manager, though, you know?
Todd
She really is.
Dan Patrick
It was only a kiss. Yeah, but only a kiss. Like this.
Todd
I made a sandwich and she went to go watch Wheel of Fortune or something. That was really the end of that.
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Tim in Ohio. Hi, Tim. What's on your mind today?
Tom Brokaw
Hey, how's it going?
Dan Patrick
Good, Tim.
Tom Brokaw
Good. Six feet, 185. Calling in sort of about the LIV golf. So best of the weekend. That RBC Canadian Open was awesome. That shot Ryan fox hit on 18 said it was the best shot he ever hit in his life. Yeah, that was incredible in a theater. But Joaquin Neiman winning the live tour was also awesome. He's won five. He finished top 10 in the last couple majors. You said that the US Open was not exciting. It was exciting last year with Rory McIlroy and Bryson DeChambeau coming down to it.
Dan Patrick
When did I say the US Open wasn't exciting?
Tom Brokaw
You said you want it to be more exciting with it. Coming down to here's players that are coming into 18 with a plot to win it or lose it.
Dan Patrick
Oh, but I want more players to challenge Scotty Scheffler. Right.
Tom Brokaw
But weren't they challenging him last year at the US Open?
Dan Patrick
Yeah, I want more. I want more of it. I'm looking at the odds here. Tim Scheffler is an overwhelming favorite to win the US Open. I'm, I'm hopeful that it's a coming down 18 and they're going toe to toe. So I'm rooting for more of that. I brought up examples where nobody really challenged Tiger or if they did, it was guys like Rocco mediate and, you know, Bob May. So that, that, that's the point. But thank you for the phone call. And I congratulations to Joaquin Neiman. He's a great player. I don't think anybody's denying that. But when you went on the live tour, if a tree falls in the forest, they wear shorts, though. Yeah. And they play music. Or maybe they don't do the music anymore. They realize how stupid that is. Hey, look at us. We're playing some. Some music. Who's having fun?
Marvin
No.
Dan Patrick
I mean, no, no, we are. Who has more fun than us? No. Funny. Take a break. Paul Feinbaum of the Mothership. Coming up next, Fox Sports Radio has.
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Marvin
Dan? It means very little really because this is all complicated, a lot of legal mumbo jumbo. What I think if it will really mean though, if you're a fan of a group of five school, if you're a fan of a school somewhere in the middle, get ready for hard times. This is only going to help the rich. Where have you heard that before? The big leagues, the Big Ten, the SEC will more than likely profit because they have so much money. Women's sports, in my opinion, will be hurt. Olympic sports will be crushed. Football wins. Basketball, other than maybe the Big east takes a slight backseat.
Dan Patrick
What happens to the ncaa?
Marvin
The NCAA is essentially dead. And I know a lot of people are celebrating, but the damage that has been done by this organization is incalculable and it's really about time. What did we grow up thinking about when we thought of the ncaa, Dan? The enforcement part of it. The big bad NCAA is coming to your town. They don't even have any jurisdiction for that anymore, by the way. Not that they have in about the last five years. They've been completely ineffective. So if you're the NCAA president who happens to be Charlie Baker, you get to fly around on a luxury plane, you work in a Taj Mahal, you stay at five star resorts, but essentially you have absolutely nothing to do but try to look busy.
Dan Patrick
Is Division one too big?
Marvin
Yes. Right now in college sports, piggybacking off of what I said in the preamble, it's really about the top. It's pyramid. And the idea that a college basketball tournament, which used to be one of the greatest moments on the calendar, has now been reduced to a battle of the elite is really unfortunate. But there's no way, if you're a small college basketball program like a butler 10 years ago or some of these other programs that have just been so exciting, Davidson making a run with Steph Curry, you really don't have a chance. And I know that sounds deflating, but even if you are good if you have a junior or a sophomore, he's going to one of the top teams for his final year. He's not sticking around.
Dan Patrick
A couple of things that came to mind is nil the transfer portal, signing contracts that might make it tougher to transfer. Can schools buy out a player from his. And I, I mean, I, I don't. It's the wild, wild west. So these are all these questions that I had. So pick one of those if you've got a juicy answer.
Marvin
Yeah, I mean, right now the biggest issue in college athletics is the portal. That's, that's what coaches scream about because they're constantly on the go having to re recruit their roster. So I think that's really where the action is. I'm not sure this agreement is going to affect that. And I don't mean to be one of those guys that says it's actually going to get worse in some regard, but there are going to be more lawsuits and I think you're going to see Title IX lawsuits about where, where does, I mean, right after we've had the greatest explosion of women's sports, especially in basketball, women's softball, now it's going to be curtailed. What, what is really going on, and it's very much out in the open, is the commissioners of college sports want federal intervention. It's interesting, Dan, that yesterday up in New Jersey, the athletic director at Notre Dame, who used to be in the pga, so he knew the president very well from his days there, and the commissioner of the South Conference, Greg Senke, played golf with Donald Trump with the idea of trying to get him to do what Congress has not done in four or five years. Despite a lot of smoke. And if I'm not a political analyst, this president has quite a bully pulpit. And he does seem, at least for the time being, to be very interested in college athletics. And some of that is because he's a sports fan. He's gone to a number of games, he likes the arena, so he could help in the short term. But from a legal standpoint, almost everything will be challenged at some point. But the idea of Congress making, you know, giving college athletics an antitrust exemption, limiting college athletes in terms of what they can make, I think still remains fairly slim.
Dan Patrick
Paul Feynman, Paul Feinbaum of the mothership, the Paul Feinbaum show, the Voice of the SEC Also, schools are going to get 20 and a half million dollars to play with. And where does that money come from?
Marvin
It comes from the same place that it's always coming from. Donations, boosters I mean, that's all. I saw Kirby Smart the other day. He was on his way to a fundraiser. That's all they do. They recruit and fundraise. They don't do a lot of coaching in the off season. And ultimately, if you have fat cats. And in some ways, they believe that this new agreement is going to cut the billionaire booster, like the one in Miami a couple of years ago, the one at Texas Tech out. I don't think so, Dan. You're never going to cut those guys out. And the idea that they hired an ex Major League baseball official who was a former U.S. attorney, he's going to be in charge of enforcements. Please, that's not going to happen. Every school will challenge anything that comes down the pipe, like. Like we've seen in recent years, and there will be no enforcement whatsoever.
Dan Patrick
The transfer portal thing is, I think what. That's what drives coaches crazy. And I mean, you're poaching guys. You know, when they were playing in, you know, the playoffs, college football playoffs, there were two players that I was told they're negotiating to play someplace, having that window we've talked about. Is there a way to make the transfer portal, the window smaller? To be fair to those playing in playoff games, to these coaches as well?
Marvin
Yes. I mean, there's two transfer portals right now. The second one is not particularly important. That's. That one just ended a couple of weeks ago, but the one right after the season is. And the problem is it. Where do you put it right now, it lands right after the. The championship games, but before the bowl and playoff games. And the story is pretty famous about the backup quarterback at Penn State last year. He just, he decided to leave and, you know, they didn't need him. But ultimately it could have been a disaster. So I don't think there's anywhere to put that because nowadays you don't want to wait right now to get your seniors on your campus. All the great programs get the best players in December, before that's in December of their senior year, Dan, not afterwards. So the portal has to be there. And I don't think they can do much about.
Dan Patrick
Just feels like we're eventually going to get to 50 schools. Right. That's where we're headed.
Marvin
Right, Right. And we're also going to get collective bargaining at some point. I don't know why college administrators just don't want to admit that they're paying the players. But as soon as I say this, and we know everything that has happened, you'll get. You'll get an athletic director on your show next week or a coach and he'll use this phrase. Daniel, you know, the student athletes. Please don't. I mean laughing space, because that's the most laughable statement in word. Well, not the most laughable, but at least in the college sports parlance right now. But they, they're stuck on it and they just want to act like this isn't really going on around them. It reminds me of the, the piano player in the house of ill repute. As people are, as businessmen are walking up and down. They're just playing the piano, acting like they're not seeing a thing.
Dan Patrick
I want a centralized college football office. Scheduling.
Marvin
Good luck.
Dan Patrick
Can we.
Marvin
I mean, I like what you're going, where you're going. Dan, the problem is that you have these four power, four commissioners and they are essentially like the bosses of the, of the, of the New York families back in the day. Brooklyn's not giving into Staten island and Manhattan's not giving into Queensland. They meet twice a year at the best Italian restaurant in Little Italy. And you hope nobody gets killed.
Dan Patrick
But it's all about money, Paul, and there's more money to be made. They love making their money. So I, at some point in my lifetime, I think we get to 50 colleges and you are playing and then there's everybody else. I just think. And there's going to be some schools that might go, you know what, we're going to drop football. It's. We don't want to spend money or, you know, it. These, these are strange. Maybe you, you know, drop divisions.
Marvin
The one thing I'll say, and I'm not a Pollyanna, but you know, come September on a Saturday night when we're watching Ohio State and Texas and Arch Manning has the ball on fourth and one at the goal, we won't care about any of these things. The games are fantastic, just like everything that you're watching in hockey and basketball. But the off season is just brutal.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, but when it's November 8th and it's Georgia versus Mercer, then I have a problem with that. Paul.
Marvin
I agree. But, but nowadays, because the playoff is remains as convoluted as ever, we're going to get at least three of the two. Every, every program at least is going to, is going to have at least two of those games. I mean look, look at some of the schedules. Penn State has an embarrassing non conference schedule this year and they're one of the favorites to win the national championship.
Dan Patrick
Good to talk to you, Paul, as always. Thanks for joining us.
Marvin
Always A pleasure.
Dan Patrick
That's Paul Feinbaum. The mothership. The Paul Feinbaum show. Voice of the sec. He's right. I mean, that's what I want to know for us. The college fan. What's it mean? Does it mean anything? All right, maybe less transfer portal. I think that would be fair to the game coaches, you know, your current team as opposed to the team you're joining. I'm all for the athletes making money. Whatever you want to make, great. But please, you know, we frame this as student athletes that came up back in the 70s by Walter Byers who ran the NCAA. It was brilliant. The student athletes. Oh, the student athlete. It's the athletic student. Let's be honest here. The athletic student. Okay, take a break. Last call for phone calls. What we learned, what's in store tomorrow, right after this.
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Paulie
Yeah, I get the purpose of an endowment. And you're sort of ensuring the long term, like, viability of the school. Right. That it's going to stay open and keep operating and you're many, many years in advance. But those are a lot of times, those are. The endowment is really an investment. It's in stocks and bonds and real estate and, you know, I don't know, venture capital or, you know, private equity, all of those things. It feels like you could peel a little bit of money away from that and set up some type of fund within the endowment to ensure that those other Olympic sports stay active. Yeah, I would guess.
Dan Patrick
Yeah. I'm hoping Stanford doesn't have, I mean, I didn't. I'd invest in that. My Olympic sports there, track team, swimming, whatever it might be with, with Stanford, I mean, that people. It's not your football program. Although Andrew Luck is, is there now and maybe they're going to reinvest and Reinvest your dividends.
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Dividends.
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna have to get with get rid of swimming and I mean, how much money does it cost to run a swimming program or lacrosse or whatever? I don't know. Get off my lawn mood today, this day in sports history. Paul.
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I got a bunch for you, Dan. Old school ones, which would be redundant because it's sports history. 1914, Honus Wagner, second player in MLB history to get 3, 000 hits. 1973, Secretariat won the Belmont by 31 lengths. Yikes. Those other short horses should be embarrassed to show their faces. 1984, the Pittsburgh Penguins used the first pick of the draft to select Mary o' Neal. Gotta call that one. It worked out a little bit. 85. The Lakers won the NBA title, beating the Celtics. Kareem had 29 in the final game. Monica Selles, second youngest, youngest winner in French Open history, beating Steffi Graff in 1990. Patrick Wah, 2001, three straight Khan Smythe trophies.
Dan Patrick
Patrick, I used to host this show, the NBA on espn. And I, I bring this up because I watched the show last night at halftime with the mothership. Three guys talking at once is not good tv. Listen to your host. Let your host direct. But it's not good tv. It's just not. And it can be, but we're. We have this philosophy now of louder is better. I'm just going to keep yelling louder and then maybe you'll trail off and then I'll take over. You don't have that much time at halftime because there's always a promo and commercials, and then you get 60 seconds. Be strategic. Not everybody has to talk. Not everybody has to have a hot take. How about you just have something where you go, you got 15 seconds. You got 15, you got 15. Make the best of it. And this is any show that I've ever been on as a host, my job was always to be John Stockton. I wanted you to look good, sound good, but you got to listen to me. And I think making sure you have direction, but at one point you have three people talking, it's just not good. Not good. Yes.
Paulie
I've noticed a similar thing happened too, with, like, morning radio. And it drives me crazy because there are some times that, like, say, a debate format works or, like, high energy, like, all of those things work. And then there's other times a day that it really doesn't work at all. And there are times that, like, I'll be driving into work and I could just hear people already, like, arguing with each other and it's like, you know, at. Do you know how many people are going into work that day, probably to a job that they don't like, with co workers that they don't really like, and all they want to do is just get through their commute without having to listen to people argue. And already it's bus is not a good sports town. Are you kidding me?
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Dan Patrick
Now you've really ticked me off, boss. That's not a good sports town. Really?
Paulie
And you're like, dude, it's 6:45 in the morning. I haven't even had a cup of coffee yet. Chill out, dude. Why are we yelling at each other?
Dan Patrick
Nobody wants to hear.
Paulie
You're telling me Philadelphia is a better sports talent? Oh, my God, dude, just stop, bro.
Dan Patrick
And I think that we've got into this culture now where we have to disagree. And I, you know, having been on the inside at the mothership, there would be times when I would do Sports Center. And you go, all right, who's going to take that side? And then who's going to take that side? And then you'd have somebody say, well, I agree with that side, but I'll take the other side just to argue. And I'll go, okay. And we feel like that's, you know, Michael and Tony on Pardon the Interruption. They did it. They created, you know, an art form to that. Now they do argue sometimes, but, you know, sometimes you can create a blueprint. Oberman and myself created a blueprint for SportsCenter. Okay, it was unique. Unique to the time. But that doesn't mean everybody should try to emulate that. Pardon the Interruption. Not everybody should try to emulate that. Or if you want to try to emulate it, then try to do it the way they are instead of yelling back and forth and scream. Because it just. Your point never gets across the way you want it to. You're just trying to win by wearing somebody down. And I know we're supposed to embrace debate. Never did and I never will, not in this form. And if that's debate last night at halftime of the NBA Finals, I'll go get a beer. Nick and Irvine. Hey, Nick, what's on your mind today?
Tom Brokaw
Hey, Dan. I got a best and the worst and then one other thing. So worse of the weekend, definitely Dodgers run support. Why do they have Shohei leading off? He's gonna have more home runs than the RBIs if they don't put him in at third or second best. Was the Nation League final yesterday? That was A heck of a game from the very beginning. Very entertaining, and I think it's a kind of an aberration. But I think both of those teams are so good they would have beaten the champion league. Psg, the champion league team. Usually it's the other way around. And you were talking about what's better, watching the game or chopping it up afterwards? Watching the game, especially like let's say Dodgers, Yankees in the World Series last year. If you're a Dodger fan or Yankee fan, you're so invested. It's painful, it's. It's hard to enjoy it in the moment. But you know, when, when I see a guy wearing a Yankee hat walking around like that, walking around town and I say, hey, how about them Dodgers or Celtics fan? And I'm like, no chowder today. And you know, how about them Lakers game seven? That's so much better, so satisfying.
Dan Patrick
Well, only after you've won, because when they win and then they say something to you, then it's not as satisfying. Jim in Michigan. Hi, Jim. What's on your mind today?
Tom Brokaw
I made parallel comment you made earlier. This is about Scotty Scheffler. I've kind of backed away for golf, but I would, in years gone by, I would devote a lot of time to watch tv, watch any tournament on tv. But it's gotten to the point I was watching the Memorial and if Scotty's up by three or more, it's almost a yawn. I respect him as a player and as family and all that, but it's not that exciting. And it's frustrating when I could just easily turn it off and go out and cut the grass versus watching him hold on to a lead. That's my comment.
Dan Patrick
No, I get it. I get it. There's no wow factor there. Tiger had wow factor. Jack Nicklaus had wow factor, you know, but there's very few that move the needle. You know, Rory's got wow factor, Dechambeau's got wow factor, Mickelson had it. Because you're never quite sure what you were going to see. I like Brooks Koepka. I mean, he's not a dynamic personality and I don't know if he'll win again. But you know what? She got five majors. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's tough to have that tune in factor because you're following the. The guy who gave us tune in factor on a golf course in Tiger because you didn't want to miss it because you knew there was something, you know, a six iron out of the bunker over the water at the RBC many, many, many, many years ago. Yes. Marv so Scotty's a great player, but not a star. He's like sga. He just Damn, he gets it done. He's efficient. What'd you learn today? Todd it doesn't make sense for the.
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Watt we'll talk to you tomorrow. Have a great day.
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Episode: Hour 3 – Snacks!, Featuring Paul Finebaum
Release Date: June 9, 2025
In the third hour of "The Dan Patrick Show," host Dan Patrick seamlessly transitions from entertaining snack debates to profound discussions on the future of college athletics. This episode features special guest Paul Finebaum, a renowned voice in sports commentary, who provides insightful analysis on the recent NCAA settlement and its broader implications for college sports.
The hour begins with a lighthearted yet spirited debate over favorite snacks, setting a fun tone for the episode.
Paul Finebaum kicks off the conversation by sharing his personal preference:
“We have a bag of Fritos back there. And that made me wonder which I prefer more, Fritos or Doritos. I'm much more of a Doritos guy, I think. But I'm appreciating these Fritos a lot.” ([04:48])
Dan Patrick playfully teases Paul about his snacking habits:
“You're kind of a sneaky snacker.” ([05:08])
Todd, another guest, adds depth to the discussion by highlighting the versatility of Fritos:
“There's a difference between corn chips and the scoops. There it is.” ([06:02])
This segment not only entertains but also engages listeners by tapping into a universal topic—snacking preferences.
Dan shifts the conversation toward ongoing sports events, providing updates and expert opinions.
He discusses the excitement surrounding an upcoming hockey game:
“We got hockey coming up tonight. It's game three. Hopefully more overtime. Panthers and the Oilers thunder, they tie the series. And now it goes to Indiana.” ([06:37])
Transitioning to the NBA Finals, Dan analyzes team performances and player statistics:
“The Pacers are the first team in 12 years to not have a 20 point score in the first two games of the NBA Finals.” ([06:56])
He further delves into player achievements, praising John Havlicek's legacy:
“John Havlicek… he was the first guy, remember, who never stopped.” ([11:17])
These discussions offer listeners a blend of current events and historical context, enhancing their understanding of ongoing sports narratives.
A substantial portion of the hour is dedicated to an in-depth conversation with Paul Finebaum about the NCAA's recent settlement allowing schools to pay athletes directly. This segment provides a critical examination of the potential impacts on college sports.
Dan Patrick introduces the topic:
“Paul Feinbaum of the Mothership will join us. We'll talk about where we're going with the NCAA. The settlement opens the door for schools to pay athletes directly. What could go wrong?” ([03:45])
Paul Finebaum offers a skeptical view:
“It means very little really because this is all complicated, a lot of legal mumbo jumbo…and it's only going to help the rich.” ([27:00])
He further elaborates on the challenges facing the NCAA:
“The NCAA is essentially dead.” ([29:24])
Key Points Discussed:
Dan Patrick probes deeper into possible solutions:
“I want a centralized college football office. Scheduling. Can we?” ([35:09])
Paul Finebaum responds realistically:
“Good luck.” ([35:14])
This interview provides listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the complexities surrounding the NCAA's changes and their potential long-term effects on college athletics.
Dan addresses the evolving nature of sports talk shows, critiquing the current trend of heightened antagonism and lack of structured dialogue.
He reflects on past successful formats and contrasts them with modern approaches:
“We've got into this culture now where we have to disagree. … if you want to try to emulate that, then try to do it the way they are instead of yelling back and forth and scream.” ([47:55], [49:25])
Paul Finebaum and other contributors echo the sentiment, advocating for more respectful and constructive discussions:
“Just chill out, dude. Why are we yelling at each other?” ([47:48])
Dan emphasizes the importance of direction and moderation in maintaining a quality listener experience:
“Not everybody has to talk. Not everybody has to have a hot take. How about you just have something where you go, you got 15 seconds.” ([46:59])
This segment underscores the necessity for sports commentary to evolve towards more balanced and thoughtful exchanges.
Dan takes a moment to honor basketball legend John Havlicek, shedding light on his remarkable career and enduring legacy with the Boston Celtics.
He recounts Havlicek's relentless playstyle:
“John Havlicek… he was a wonderful player, clutch player, and probably an 11 time, 12 time All-Star.” ([11:17])
Dan highlights Havlicek's role in bridging different eras of the Celtics:
“He created the sixth man of the year award, or it was created because of him.” ([10:24])
This homage serves to educate listeners about key figures in sports history, fostering a deeper appreciation for the game's legends.
As the show concludes, Dan recaps the key discussions and teases upcoming segments, including an appearance by Ray Allen. He encourages listener interaction and reflects on the importance of maintaining quality in sports discourse.
Dan Patrick wraps up with a call to action:
“Last call for phone calls. What we learned, what's in store tomorrow, right after this.” ([37:10])
Paul Finebaum: “We have a bag of Fritos back there. And that made me wonder which I prefer more, Fritos or Doritos. I'm much more of a Doritos guy, I think. But I'm appreciating these Fritos a lot.” ([04:48])
Paul Finebaum: “It means very little really because this is all complicated, a lot of legal mumbo jumbo…and it's only going to help the rich.” ([27:00])
Dan Patrick: “We've got into this culture now where we have to disagree.” ([47:55])
Dan Patrick: “John Havlicek… he was the first guy, remember, who never stopped.” ([11:17])
Hour 3 of "The Dan Patrick Show" masterfully balances entertainment with substantive analysis. From engaging snack debates to critical discussions on the future of college sports, Dan Patrick and Paul Finebaum provide listeners with a multifaceted perspective on current sports landscapes. This episode not only entertains but also educates, making it a valuable listening experience for sports enthusiasts seeking both fun and depth.