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Come on in, stay a while. We'll talk to the man who signed Michael Jordan to the historical historic Nike contract. He also signed Kobe to his first contract. That was with Adidas. And he thought he had a deal with LeBron James when LeBron was going to sign with Adidas. And when you think about it, what would have happened to Nike if Michael Jordan didn't go there? They were a running shoe company. Imagine that if Mike didn't go there and he went to Adidas and the fact that Kobe was at Adidas and LeBron would have gone to Adidas as well. What that would have meant for Nike, what that would have meant for Adidas, what it would have meant for the global shoe market as well. And Michael Jordan is Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan the businessman if he went to Adidas as opposed to Nike. All right. 8773 DP show email address dp danpatrick.com Twitter handle @dpshow you know that this stat of the day is brought to you by Panini America Official trading cards of the show. Six WWE Superstars face off inside a giant steel chamber for I don't know why I need to go to this dramatic voice, but six WWE Superstars face off inside a giant steel chamber for a championship match at WrestleMania watch elimination chamber live Saturday at 7 Eastern, 4 Pacific Countdown at 5 Eastern, 2 Pacific on Peacock. Yes, Marvin, that's the only way to read it. Or you can read it like Vince McMahon back in the day. The Honky Tonk man versus the Ultimate Warrior. It's survivors here. I like the trail off there. 8773 DP Show Email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle it DP Show Spent a lot of time first hour talking about the greatness of Steph Curry at 56 points, 12 three pointers. Last night he single handedly outscored Orlando in the third quarter 2221. And it was the subtle reminder night from Steph Curry who spoke about his legacy after the game. I was just somebody that people felt inspired by when they watch. We've created a lot of memories, not only for myself, I know for fans who've watched their whole career. So no matter if you've been watching since 09 or before that or recently. Just somebody that brings joy to the game is inspiring to not only just play basketball, but to find your best self in whatever you decide to do. And like I. We talked about just having joy and having a smile on my face because I'm blessed. That's great answer. And where he was, you know, he was a curiosity at Davidson, and that's when we were first introduced to him that we had him on. I don't know if it was his sophomore or junior year. And then I thought he was going to get drafted by Minnesota. They took two point guards. They just didn't take the right point guard. Who is it? Ricky Rubio and Johnny Flynn. That was a deep discussion that back then. And I remember the gm, David Kahn, I think that was his name. And we had him on and I remember telling him to take Steph Curry. And then we had him on after when they didn't take Steph Curry. And I think we continue to have him on to remind him that he didn't have take Steph Curry. And I think he eventually got fired. But Steph was there. We just didn't know if Steph would be a role player. I think, you know, there was probably a consensus he was going to be a role player. He would never be able to hold up, you know, to the physicality of the NBA. He's not going to get that shot off against these other athletes. And you had the ankle injury, and that's where you wondered if Golden State really made a big mistake. And then all of a sudden, we haven't talked about that ankle feels like in a long, long time. But we continue to talk about Steph Curry. Yes, Paulie, I went back and looked. Steph Curry didn't make an all star team till his fifth year in the NBA. His fifth year, he was 2014, 2015. He averaged 24 points per game. And we had him on the Show August of 2015, before the year, he scored 30 a game and won the MVP. He said to you, you asked who's the best offensive player in basketball? And he said, me. And it got a lot of blowback towards Curry. And then he went out that year and averaged 30 and won the MVP. Yeah, because people think or thought, you know, LeBron is the most dominating force, offensive force, or Kevin Durant, if you want to put him in there. But this is, you know, Steph saying, no, I am. Now can you say that? He. He's right. No, I mean, what LeBron is doing, LeBron oh, by the way, what, what did he do last night? I mean, they beat Minnesota. Did he have 33 and 17 rebounds? Does that sound right, Marvin? Yeah, something in that, that range. Okay. It's incredible what he does every single night. Nobody, nobody, you don't want to say nobody's going to do this, but that the amount of mileage on his leg, on his body, it's just, I'm fascinated. I still think he's one of the top 10 players in the game and he's 40. Yes, Mark. I suggest everybody who watches basketball or who loves basketball, who's really into it, watch Court of Gold on Netflix and you'll see the competitive spirit of guys like Steph Curry, LeBron James and Kevin Durant. These guys are as accomplished as anybody who's ever played. And they were trying to joic watch the guys from France, Wemby, Nicholas Batum. It is serious. People like, oh, they don't care about the game. Oh, they care. They just don't care about the All Star game in the middle of February during the NBA season. All right, so our poll question for the first hour is you could be sh Otani, Steph Curry or Patrick Mahomes their entire career. Obviously this. The results here are recency bias. Whose career would you want? Past and future Shohei Ohtani. Right now he's come down to 50% of the vote. 55. Steph has 29%. Patrick Mahomes ticking up to about 22% ish. Actually, it's not recency by, it's DPCC bias. Since they're going along with what you want there, there's not a wrong answer. There isn't. LeBron against the Timberwolves had 33, 17 and six assists. That's. It's mind boggling. It really is. It's every single night, you know, Steph gives us those reminders. We haven't had one of these reminder games in a little while, but Golden State is playing a whole lot better since they got Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler didn't play well last night, but you know, you've reached a whole different stratosphere when the opposing team's fan base gives you a standing ovation. Not many guys get that opportunity where the opposing team appreciates what they saw in in Orlando last night. They appreciated what they saw. They only get to see him once a year. They showed out to see him and he showed up with 56 points. This was in from Diana Rossini from the Athletic. Matthew Stafford is going to meet today with the Rams at The Rams team facility to discuss his future. You apparently reportedly have two deals on the table. The Raiders and giants have discussed two year contracts for Stafford that are probably 90 to 100 million guaranteed. This according to sources telling Diana Rossini the Rams gave Stafford's agent permission to talk to other teams and now you're going to be able to go back and go, okay, are you going to match this or are we going to come up with a trade scenario here? I don't know what the Giants or Raiders would give up for Matthew Stafford. If Jimmy Garoppolo is the answer. I probably don't like the question. If I'm a Rams fan, he's a good backup. But you're going to replace Matthew Stafford with Jimmy Garoppolo with a team that is winning now, not prepared to win now, they've already won. Now two years, Matthew Stafford, that gives you an opportunity. You know, that's what I don't understand the timeline here that Albert Breer, the Monday morning quarterback talked about yesterday five year window as opposed to a two year window. And I just, I've been around this a long, long time and understanding the wait till next year usually doesn't come. Just ask the 49ers. They were in line to win a couple, they should win a couple now. They did go to a Super bowl, but you know, the goal is to win. The Rams won one. I see no reason why they can't compete to win another with Matthew Stafford the next two years. Young team defense, got some skilled position players. You got Puka Nakua. I just. And you got Sean McVay. I, I know it's not my money, but if the goal was to win a Super bowl, the next two years with Matthew Stafford certainly seem like a whole lot more attainable than the next three or four years with Jimmy Garoppolo or Sam Darnold or Aaron Rodgers or whoever you want to throw into the mix there. Travis Kelsey is coming back for another year and falling into the same trap that we hear from athletes all the time. I can't go out this way. Well, it might not get any better. In fact, it might get worse that you won't get to a Super Bowl. But Travis Kelsey is coming back for one more season. Miles Garrett doesn't want to sign a contract extension at 1. At some point the Browns have to go. Okay, what can we get for Miles Garrett? What makes the most sense for us? Do we trade down? You trade Miles Garrett, you get picks, you know, you got the second pick in the draft. You trade down from that, are you sold on Cam Ward? Are you sold on Shador Sanders? Because if you're not and you're sold on Travis Hunter or you're sold on somebody else there, if not, get out of there. Because the Browns have been bad at drafting. When they had all those picks, they were bad. It's one thing to have them, it's another thing to utilize them and make sure that those guys stick with your team. But Miles Garrett doesn't want to be there and won't sign a contract extension. The combine is rolling along on field activities all weekend and you have teams that are meeting with Travis Hunter. And the question is, Travis, you want to play both ways? Do you want to play full time defense, full time offense? Will teams allow him to do that? Teams are bringing him in as a wide receiver, interviewing him as a wide receiver, which I find interesting. Others as a defensive back. But here is Travis Hunter, the Heisman Trophy winner, on playing both ways. I mean, nobody have done it, but I feel like I put my body through a lot. I do a lot of treatment. People that get to see that part, what I do for my body to make sure I'm 100% each game. But I feel like I can do it because nobody have done it. And I know I can do it. I did at college level, which the game is, you know, we really get. We rarely get breaks and it's a lot more breaks and breaks in the NFL. Yeah, I didn't understand that. And Dion brought that up to me at the super bowl that you get more breaks in the college game, that he. They use the expression the game is slowed down now. It's not the game, you know, on the field speed, it's the actual game that commercial breaks. I'm. I'm guessing that's what he's talking about. I can't imagine he's saying that college, that, you know, the sport is faster on the field. You know, college games take four hours. But can I see him playing 60 plays on defense and 40 on offense? Maybe if I'm drafting him, I'm using him. I'm going to use him the best way I can. If he's one of the best players on my team, I don't want him on the sidelines when he would give us some kind of a benefit by putting him out there. And he. And he's not a structured wide receiver. He's just an athletic guy. Once he understands running routes, I mean, that's what they talk. The scouts have already brought this up, you know, you got to be more structured in running your, your past patterns here. He knows all of these things, but he's already a great defensive back. I gotta have him out there full time there. And then you just have to say, be honest with me when you want to come out of the game. But I would go all in. If I'm drafting him, I'm using him. Yeah, Pauline, I didn't understand the thing with breaks either. Deon brought it up to us and Travis, the average, over the past 10 years, the average NFL game is 3 hours and 12 minutes. The average college football game is 3 hours and 24 minutes. The halftime in college is 8 minutes longer. So halftime, rest and you get one extra commercial break per half in college compared to the NFL. Yeah. So what's he mean? I don't know. The NFL is quicker. I mean, they want to get it done in a three hour, ish window. Correct. A lot of college college games feel like they go four hours. Yeah. Marvin, do you think a lot of teams in the Big 12 are maybe running a no huddle offense? That's the only thing I can possibly think of because you guys are right about the time. So I don't know. Colorado didn't run a no huddle offense, but I just meant more. So he was saying about taking breaks on defense. So what poll question? We going to stay with this poll question Seaton for hour two? I think we're going to let this one ride for a little bit mostly because I want to see if I can get that Shohei number down. Oh, okay. All right. You're lobbying. You're lobbying behind my back. I just want to make sure that by the end, by the time we take it down, is that quite as much of a landslide is all? Did I mention it's a meat Friday? Did I mention what's on the menu? We have smoked baby back ribs, Mac and cheese, coleslaw. Who has it better than we do? Nobody. Nobody. All right, couple of phone calls in here. Donovan in Iowa. Hi, Donovan. What's on your mind? Hey, Dan. One foot six, two, soft, soft. Hey, Dan. Yeah? Your poll question here. I gotta go with Curry. He is so much better. I mean, the devil named Curry is haunting us for the Olympics. I mean, can't get any better than that. His whole life really has been great. I mean, he's got his dad, his NBA player, his brothers. I mean, he's just living the life. He's Curry man. So that's my opinion. All right, I. As I said, there's no wrong answer. If you said, hey, you're going to be Patrick Mahomes, his career. Okay. Or are you going to be Steph Curry or Shohei Otani? I mean, if I go, would you rather have the Porsche? Would you rather have the Maserati or the Ferrari? That's really what this is. Let's see. Dave in Washington. Hi, Dave. What's on your mind? Good morning. Six one semi hard 290. Anyways, I'm rallying behind Seaton on this whole Stat of the Day song thing. I think we don't want it to be like the Meat Friday songs where everybody's sending them in. Let's keep it real. No, the Meat Friday songs were awesome. I love that. What? Seaton? Just to clarify, I thought the Meet Friday songs were awesome. Yeah. I thought who stats do you want was wonderful. I'm a little more territorial over Stat of the Day. And just the. What we've carved out there was. Was pretty great. Okay. That's all. All right. But we might strike gold. Yeah, maybe. I mean, who stats. See, that was great. That was a lot of fun. Yeah. We might stumble upon something great again. Tell me. Tell me. We have. Darius Rucker submitted a Stat of the day song. Josta and Heat Breed did twiddle the great hot water music. They sent one, and we have. Great. People have sent these in. We need even more people sending them in, but it'd be cool if they were people who can sink. Well, Will Ferrell. Ron Burgundy. Ron Burgundy sent one in. Exactly. Yeah. I need to get Stephen Wilson Jr. To do one. Maybe. Maybe we can reach out to his reps and. And ask him if he could do a Stat of the day. Yes. We only use that for, like, the downer stat of the days where, like, the ones that are kind of. Kind of make you cry, where you're like, to try once. Since when? I just want my dad. All right, we'll take a break. He is. He's the man who revol. Revolutionized the shoe industry. I think he should be in the Basketball hall of Fame as a contributor. And he signed Michael Jordan to that landmark Nike deal. Sonny Vaccaro got a new book. We'll talk to him coming up right after this. Dan Patrick Show. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Hey, it's Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis, and together we're KAV on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio and of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Ko Vino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich. Make some noise for the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry. We went live from All Star Weekend for a new podcast called Goat Greatest of Their Era. And we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s. Peja 5. Dirk Ford. Peja is elite. Okay, okay. I'm mad him. I left him off my list, but I still like my list. You won't believe who Steph left off his list. That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations. Yes, absolutely. Love it. Steph talked about what separates the truly elite. When you have a scouting report and you're on the list as not just a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime you're wide open. Like, you might as well just count that and get on back on defense. Listen to Goat G O T e Greatest of their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Sonny Vaccaro has a book. It's called Legends and Souls, the Memoir of an American Original. It's just been available online wherever books are sold. A little background here on Sonny. I think I Met Sonny in 1983. I covered his basketball camp when it was in New Jersey and was also part of a TV show at CNN with Sonny. We did a college basketball show and he was a great resource for me over the years whenever I needed something set straight or there was a rumor about a Coaching change, somebody getting hired, fired. I always went to Sonny and Sonny would always, if he knew something, then he would tell me. He'd set me straight. And we've stayed in touch for whatever, 40 years now. And so I knew the story about when he was getting Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan was Mike Jordan at North Carolina and hit the shot that won the national title against Georgetown. Now, Sonny's job, Sonny was trying to grow Nike. Nike was a running shoe company. And Sonny went all in. Bob Knight saw Michael Jordan and said, that guy's going to be the greatest basketball player of all time. And you had Adidas and Converse. Who were the big shoe companies at the time? Adidas, big shoe company. And Converse had been established for quite some time prior to that. But Sonny realized that they had a budget and he was saying, use the entire budget on Michael Jordan. So he goes to Phil Knight, the CEO of Nike, and says, put all the money here on that guy. I'm betting on that guy. Well, Sonny's had a lot of different lives in this business. He got fired by Nike. He went to Adidas, a signed Kobe to his first shoe deal. Sonny was, you know, friends with Kobe's dad, Joe, who played in Italy. And then he went to, he was trying to get LeBron. He thought he had LeBron. And there's a great chapter in the book where they're meeting in Malibu and he thinks he's going to sign LeBron James to his first deal. And Sonny tells LeBron's mother, it's going to be a hundred million dollar deal. It's going to be a 10 year, 100 million dollar deal. She starts crying like this is. And then they go into the meeting. Sonny thinks he has $100 million to play with with LeBron James. And all of a sudden realizes that Adidas is giving a certainly a lot less than that, with some incentives in there. And you know, and Sonny even said, you know, go, go to Nike. I can't help you here. Go to get the better deal. And he's also the guy who helped bring about name, image and likeness for athletes. The Ed O'Bannon case. And Sonny was very integral in years trying to get that case heard against the NCAA so players could get paid. It's been a long, long career, crazy career. Sonny Vaccaro joins us on the program. Sonny, congratulations on the book. Really well done. It's been something I wanted to do all my life and postponed it because my life kept. I was doing something else. And then after O'Bannon, that really gave me the impetus. How much more can I do? And I want to say, but I'm proud of it. I'm not afraid of it, Dan. Not afraid of it all. Everything we said in there, I can back up and with facts and not fiction. What's the story you save for the book? I think the ending of my relationship with Michael is much more powerful than the beginning because the ending shows. We just come back from Europe on a 10 day travel trip publicizing Michael. Pam and I were, you know, you saw the pictures and everything. We come home, they asked me to do one more thing for the signing of Michael. You know, the autographs for the NBA and all that with Magic Johnson, that I go in for that meeting. And then three days later, after all that, that last, you know, month of my life with Nike, I get betrayed. I think that had to be told. There was never told before. They didn't know, you know, they didn't know that the story was already written for me. Even when I went to Europe, even when I did the last, most important things that I could have done with Jordan. Here's where I'm confused, Sonny. Phil Knight, CEO of Nike, comes off really petty in the book. And it feels like Michael Jordan turned his back on what was real, the real story in you signing him. But you do say in the book that Michael said he doesn't have a problem with you, but he still could have spoken up and told the truth. How much does it hurt with what feels like Phil Knight was trying to rewrite history here. I knew what was going to happen when he stalked his memoir in 1987, when he still has, he's still living. That was a long time ago. And he stopped where I got really involved with Michael. For all the things you'll read in a book that hurt, the, the lies that were perpetrated, you know, by, you know, you know, Michael had no reason to do this, except he had. Once I was let go, I mean, Michael and I were closer than I am to anyone in that world. You know, that the world would know that all the athletes I've been around, including Kobe and whatever, we were actually together for seven years, traveling the world. When you read the book, you know, the opening things, Michael hurt me because he didn't have to do it. And when you read when the chapter where he almost left, he almost left. So it was that close that I was still involved with Michael. That hurt Raveling just a bad human being who was my, my biggest, you know, hurt in the world because it was so personal, you know, it was personal. And it turned out, as life continued, you know, I am able to say what I said about him, you know, in a special chapter, because he was deceitful. He didn't hurt Sonny Vaccaro. He hurt the world that he lived in. As far as dealing with athletes and being honest and being portrayed in other. Other situations as being an honest person. Those three guys all had a different hurt. But Michael always had this affinity for. Because other than, you know, Levi Night, obviously. Levi Raveling, Nike, you know, Nike was just a part of me and Michael. There were personal things in there that. That, you know, that airplane ride where he played gin for 10 hours. I had many. I had. I arranged his birthday party in Las Vegas. I opened up the gates for him in Las Vegas, you know, because he liked to golf and, you know, do whatever else he did. But that was personal. That. That one's still personal. I don't have the same, you know, feelings for Michael that I do for Raveling and Night, that's for sure. I still, you know, he. He did great things. It's a shame that he forgot where he started. Yeah. George Raveling was best man at your wedding and a friend for a long time. Former college coach. And went to work for Nike after you were let go. So. And you wait till the very end of the book, and even there's some trepidation whether you're even gonna write about George Raveling in your relationship. But let me go back to Michael Jordan. We're talking to Sonny Vaccaro. The book is Legends and Souls, the memoir of an American original, available wherever books are sold. What happens to Nike if Michael doesn't sign with Nike? Game, set, match over. I honestly believe it. There's no reason to be, other than pretend that, Mike, that Nike would have been successful. There was nothing on the agenda that was successful. We were the. This was the last roll of the dice, Dan. This was. They were going all in and they didn't know it. But Adidas, would they. What would Mikey. Michael, have done to Adidas? I don't think it ever would have happened the way it happened. He still would have been Michael, but he still was with the other guys. He'd have been camouflaged by them. He never would have gotten this opportunity. The signing with Nike and then us promoting him. And then we were the only show for him. And otherwise all the. All the things from Nike went right to Jordan. It wouldn't have happened to Adidas. They had great players and so did converse. To defend him in some way. They were Stupid now, but they weren't that stupid in 1984. It was a business decision. No one, including Sonny. I just knew he was the only one to bet the money on. The other guys weren't worth it for whatever reason. You know, I go into that. I just, I don't think. And I'll look foolish maybe to your audience and this isn't a grief. I mean, it's just fact. If you look at the books, you'll see that there was no money left. That's all. What the hell are they going to do? Yeah, I wonder what it would have done to the global shoe industry as well. Well, that's the best question, I think what I saw because none of the signings after that by the athletes, you know, getting right. The Seth Curry to where we are today and all the girls now getting that. It would have taken time because no one was betting on one person. There was no person that crossed over that line. Not the financial line, the black, the white line, the media line. We found a hero that was unbelievable then. The commercials were perfect. I doubt if anybody else. Spike Lee doesn't generate towards Michael Jordan the other guys. Like he would have done. He did Michael Jordan. All these things happened like right in a sequence, like it was a story already written and it actually fell part. None of these, none of these other companies would have done it. I don't believe. Did you know that Nike, Michael was going to get fined when he wore the black and red shoes and he was told that he couldn't. I knew that was a marketing ploy by Nike. No, yeah, I, I knew it, you know, as quickly as. Anyway, except Rob and Peter, they, they've told me everything about it and I, I was there when, you know, Rob said, we'll pay the fines. Yeah, that was, that was, that was a kick him in the ass thing by Rob Strasser. He said, all right, we'll pay the dang thing, you know, the 5,000, whatever it was. And that to him and his personality said, we're not stopping, we're going all in. That's. We did that all in thing a few times that you didn't see in the movie. And you know, Rob and Peter, you know, were the brains behind this. I was, I was the glue, maybe, whatever. Did you have the same feeling about LeBron that you did Michael when you first saw him? No, it was a whole different. I, I saw LeBron three years earlier than Michael. I knew him as a 15 year old. I watched him when I traveled to San Francisco to see him personally, when he invited. I was in his house as a youngster, not as a grown man in his 20s. So no LeBron. LeBron and Kobe were totally different in, you know, my approach. I knew them. Kobe's going back to his parents and LeBron going back to the origins. So I knew these two kids were pretty good. And McGrady is the only other one that I had a sense of feeling, you know, because now the kids are 17, 18 and 19. I've got to make a decision. Michael was still 22. You know, he was an older guy and played in the national championship. So he was a known commodity. These kids weren't. We're talking to Sonny Vaccaro, the new book Legends and Souls, available wherever you buy your books. And I want people to understand this. I've known you for a long time, over 40 years. Your best accomplishment is marrying Pam. But after that, you signed Michael, you signed Kobe, you nearly signed LeBron. But then what you did with Ed O'Bannon and taking on the NCAA is really your legacy and should be your legacy because you paved the way with the help of Ed O'Bannon, former UCLA. Great to allow players to get paid. You help usher in name, image and likeness. And not without a long fight. Then you should be commended that you went to bat for him and that Ed. Ed trusted you, that you would represent him correctly. So that. That is a. There's a lot of time devoted in the book and. And rightfully so, because that is a land landmark decision on your part. And because of that, I don't. I know you. I've known you a long, long time. You should be in the Basketball hall of Fame as a contributor. You should be. Dan should never did anything. You know, what am I going to tell you? I can't control. Okay, I would. I would love to. I'd like to go to work on it. I'd like to be able to just tell the. I'd like to remind people of contributions to the game, global impact coaches, coaches got paid. Players are now getting paid. High school kids, high school coaches like all of that. This is when Michael Jordan should step up. And I'm being serious and write a letter to the Basketball hall of Fame saying that you should be in there. I appreciate what you're saying and what other people have said. You know, it's hard for the person you're talking about in a situation. You're humble, you don't have to say anything. But I, I'll leave it at that. I. I hope that there's some representation who can help you get in. Good to talk to you. Congrats on the book. Thank you. So thank you very much. And God bless you and the family. And I hope we have dinner and a good Italian dinner in New York. Sonny Vaccaro, Legends and Souls, the memoir of an American original. It's just released and available online wherever books are sold. Imagine all of these coaches and players, if they got together and signed a petition, what he meant for them, change lives. I mean, if Michael alone wrote a letter and just said, sonny should be in the basketball, basketball hall of Fame. Contributions to the game. He changed college basketball. He changed Nike. He changed the shoe business. Now, you might say, you know, it's the seedy underworld and, you know, all of the, I, I've heard from people. Look, I love the man. I've known him for 40 years and his wife Pam. So when you think about contributions to the game, to the game of basketball, his name is front and center. Really is. All right. We'll take a break. Some phone calls coming up. The great actor Woody Harrelson, his new movie last Breath comes out today. He'll join us coming up in about 45 minutes from now. We're back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app. Make some noise for the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry. We went live from All Star Weekend for a new podcast called Go Greatest of their era. And we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s. Peja 5 Dirk Ford. Peja is elite. Okay, okay. I'm mad him. I left him off my list, but I still like my list. You won't believe who Steph left off his list. That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations. That's why we absolutely love it. Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters. When you have a scouting report and you're on the list as not just a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime you're wide open, like, you might as well just count that and get on back on defense. Listen to goat G O t e greatest of their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Getting towards spring. Time to start thinking about your lawn. And when you think about your lawn, you think true green, they'll take care of your lawn. It's affordable, ensuring A satisfaction with their guarantee and they'll match any competitor's price. Don't wait. Go to trugreen.com today. Let the pros do all the work. You get to sit back and enjoy the results. Exclusions apply. See trugreen.com for details. I brought this up at the start of the week as we were heading into the combine with Cam Ward and Shador Sanders opting not to throw. I said this is a great opportunity for Jackson Dart out of Mississippi to be the star. Peter Schrager of NFL Network just sent out a tweet. Jackson Dart aced his media session as he has every interview this week. He's got a real chance to stand out on Saturday. Yeah, I think he's first round talent. And in a draft like this where it's top heavy with Cam Warden, Shador Sanders, Jackson Dart might be a late first round pick. Or at least that's the feeling that I get. Yes. Paul. Possible red flag. I just watched the Jackson Dart combine interview at his podium. Hat backwards back. Oh, my gosh. I think that's a bonus, actually. I don't know. Matthew Stafford was a hat backwards guy. I know, I know. Don't let Colin Cowherd see this. Colin will probably spend a segment on hat back backwards. Great hair, though. Yes. I wouldn't wear a hat. I had hair like that. He's got some moss in the back flowing. I like it. We have a bonus fill in the blank today that has to do with Steph Curry. So bonus Steph Curry. Is it all Steph Curry or is it other fill in the blankers? Couple other topics, just that are a little timely. Oh, can't wait for next week. Okay. All right, you ready? Steph Curry is blank Todd. Ridiculous. Seaton Elite. Marvin. Goat. What does that mean? Like the greatest shooter ever. Greatest of all time. Greatest of all time. That's what it is. But it's. He's not the greatest of all. He's the greatest shooter of all time. He's the goat at something. So he used to go. Go shot. Go, Shad. No, don't go. Sh. There's Steph Curry. Go. Shat. Steph Curry is blank. Paul. Underrated. All right. The most entertaining sports athlete in the last 20 years is blank Todd. I'm gonna go. Steph. Recency bias. All right. Seaton. Cristiano Ronaldo. Marvin. Mike Trout. Oh, will you stop? You guys, stop. Paul. Steph by a mile. Yeah. Travis Kelsey returning to the Chiefs for another year is blank Todd. Understandable. Satan. Cool. Marvin. Sorry. Paul. A Mistake. I'm gonna say adorable. I don't. It's the first word that came to mind. It's adorable. The Cleveland Browns should blank. Todd. Rebuild. Satan. Trade. Marvin. Quit. I know. They can't quit as a franchise. Quit. You just quit. They did Paul. Trade everything. Yeah, well, I would trade Miles Garrett. All right. It was August of 2014. Steph Curry was on the show. We talked about a variety of things, including who is a better offensive player. You, Steph Curry, or LeBron James? Better offensive player, me or LeBron? That's the first time I've ever been asked that question. Me. Okay. Gotta be right. Well, I don't know. I would assume you would think that you're. You're a pure shooter. He can score. You can, too. But I think if you know what the correct answer is, probably LeBron is a better scorer, but I think you're the better shooter. So if. How's that? Yeah, I don't know, because he, you know, he obviously demands a lot of attention on the floor, but I like to say I can distribute, you know, get my teammates involved. And what about just putting points as well? What about points? What if I said you go out and score as many as you want in a game and LeBron goes out, who scores more? I like to say my shot would help me in that situation. As a matter of fact, I get a double team, I can hopefully shoot from farther out. That got a lot of reaction at the time. Now, that's before his first MVP or his MVP. And, you know, that's almost 11 years ago that he said that. And he's saying, hey, I might be known as a shooter. I'm a scorer. I think LeBron is the scorer. Steph is the shooter. I mean, that. That's obvious, but to do. I mean, it's really, really rarefied air, what they do, both of them. LeBron's still doing it at a very high level. And what is he, four years older than Steph, and he's asked to do more all around with his team than Steph is. But just to watch Steph, you know, that's one of those where you. You should have a Steph cam, where you just have maybe ground level, where you just have the camera on him all time, because you'll realize how much energy it takes to do what he does. And if. If you have the camera on him, you'll see how he's moving about, constantly moving. It's really easy to guard somebody when they stand. How about I put a camera on Steph? Curry. And you just get an idea of what it's like changing lanes. You know, he's on a highway just changing lanes. Yes, Marvin. And the difference between him and the other great shooters is he just wasn't a catch and shoot guy. His handle is completely underrated. He can shoot it off the dribble. He can shoot it any way you want it. Yeah, I agree. Two hours in the books. It's a meet Friday. Woody Harrelson. Yes, his first name is Woody Woodrow. He'll join us coming up. His new movie coming out. More of your phone calls as well. Final hour right after this. Make some noise for the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry. We went live from All Star Weekend for a new podcast called the Greatest of Their era. And we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s. Peja 5. Dirk Ford. Peja is a lie. Okay. You won't believe who Steph left off his list. That's so tough. That's why we tap these conversations. 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