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Margie Murphy
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Olivia Carville
Group of young women found themselves in an AI fueled nightmare.
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Dan Patrick
Someone was posting photos.
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Paul Skeens
It was just me naked.
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Chris Webber
Well, not me, but me with someone else's body parts.
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Olivia Carville
This is Levittown, a new podcast from iHeart podcasts Bloomberg and Kaleidoscope about the rise of deepfake pornography and the battle to stop it? Listen to Levittown on Bloomberg's Big Take podcast. Find it on the iHeartRadio app. Find it Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colleen Witt
Are you hungry? Colleen Witt here. And Eating While Broke is back for season four every Thursday on the Black Effect Podcast Network. This season we've got a legendary lineup serving up broke dishes and even better stories. On the menu we have Tony Baker, Nick Cannon, Melissa Ford, October London and Carrie Harper. Howie turning Big Macs into big moves. Catch eating While broke every Thursday on the Black Effect Podcast Network. IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast. Wherever. Get your favorite shows. Come hungry for season four.
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A.J. Jacobs
Dressing. Dressing.
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Chris Webber
Oh, French dressing.
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A.J. Jacobs
Exactly.
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Paul Skeens
Oh, that's good.
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A.J. Jacobs
I'm A.J. jacobs and my current obsession is puzzles. And that has given birth to my podcast the Puzzler.
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Steve Lapis
Something about Mary Poppins.
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A.J. Jacobs
Exactly.
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Margie Murphy
This is fun.
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A.J. Jacobs
You can get your daily puzzle nuggets delivered straight to your ears. Listen to the Puzzler every day on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Dan Patrick
You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. He's Chris Webber, hall of famer, five time all star, former number one overall pick by the Magic back in 1993. C. Webb joining us. Who came up with the idea for the Black Sox with Michigan? Do you remember?
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Paul Skeens
I do, I do. Ray Jackson. I had to interview him for my book Shameless Plug, but I have forgotten. So we were playing in Texas. We were playing against Rice University. And you know, Dan, when you play with your teammates, whenever you have a teammate that's from somewhere, when you go to their home, you want to show up. And so we knew we were going to want to play well for Ray and Jimmy. And Ray, though, he wanted to transfer. And Ray had been talking about transferring to me for the whole summer, for the whole year. He felt that he was kind of left out, that he was the scapegoat, the coach. He was kind of tired of coach staying on him for a long time, so he and his friends decided to go to the mall. He bought a few different colored pair of socks and he was gonna wear them in protest. But he comes to the room and you know how it is with your friends. He comes to the room, I'm sleepy. He comes back at Juwan is like, what is this? I love it. We're gonna wear those black socks. And Jalen's like, oh, let's go to the mall. So Jaylen, Jimmy, they ran to the mall, bought me a pair of black socks. And so Ray's frustration and protest turned into brother saying, man, shut up. We love you. We're all gonna wear the black socks. That's a whole nother story. Cause we get in trouble for wearing the black socks, for not including the rest of our teammates. So we have the black socks on. We're excited. We have our sweatpants on. We usually don't warm up with our sweatpants in warmups, you know, usually take them off in your shorts. We kept them on. And we all get in the starter circle And Coach is looking like, what the hell? You know, because it was pretty obvious then. And then after the game, Coach was, fine, we win it. But after the game, he pulled me to the side and said, come on, man. You know, I was. I'm the oldest of five kids. And he was like, would you do that with, you know, family members? He's like, no, we don't do that here. Everybody has to wear black socks. So he didn't understand how excited we were that really what he was telling us is, yeah, y'all can wear them, but everyone can wear them. But Ray Jackson was the. Ray Jackson was the start of that. He picked those socks.
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Dan Patrick
What about the baggy shorts? I know Jordan wore baggy shorts, but you guys went baggier.
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Paul Skeens
Yeah, you know, it was Illinois and UNLV have really nice shorts. Syracuse, you know, all the guys like Derrick Coleman or Anderson Hunt, they would bring us their shorts in the summer and give us a pair of shorts. That was like gifting the guy a car to wear some official, you know, shorts. Back then, there was no fanatics. You know, you can just get them things like that. And so really what it was a funny story. The day we get to get our uniforms, we're all super excited. You know, that's a moment when you get to look at your uniform, put it on. But thanks to Chip Armor and Eric Riley and all of the old heads, because they wanted just regular shorts. And we were searching for that extra 2 inches in the crotch, in the seam. And so we were able to trade with upperclassmen who didn't get it yet. And then Coach, eventually he and Coach Dutcher of San Diego State, now he and Coach Dutcher eventually ordered us some. Some longer shorts. So we. We were just complaining the whole time about, you know, our shorts, you know, the term. Then we didn't want Stocktons and we didn't want to catch a yeast infection at practice from a teammate with too tight draws on. So, you know, Coach, he was cool. We had some tough practices for it. That's how we got to earn black socks and everything. You have to have tough practices, but we earned it and all was well.
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Dan Patrick
We were talking about the great nickname. So you had Fab 5 Phi Slam a jam. It was great. Hoya Paranoia. Don't know if there's running Rebels. Don't know if they're any other team nickname that kind of belongs in that group.
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Paul Skeens
Man, that's good. I wish I had time to think about that one, because that's gonna be on my mind. I really loved the Running Rebels. I mean, to me, it said it all, even their moniker with kind of the Yosemite Sam type character. You know, how many I think them in Oklahoma get to got to carry a gun around in at those times. But, yeah, I don't. You know, I've always said the greatest personal nickname to me is the Great One. And. And then you can go from there, but for the teams. Yeah, I think it has to be maybe the Running Rebels back there.
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Dan Patrick
Were you aware of Georgetown with Ewing?
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Paul Skeens
Are you serious? Yes. Come on, man. I'm a Jew. I'm a big sports fan. So, yeah. And you gotta remember this. What was really smart and. And in talking to Sonny Vaccaro for my book, he was a really good guy, but they snuck into our minds early. So when you talk about Georgetown. Yes. Do I love John Thompson? Yes. Do I love Zo and all the big fellas that had Ewing and Matumbo? Yes. But what really started my love for them was the blue and gray Nikes. It was the blue and gray starter jacket. And I don't think then really, people remember what an influence starter had in. In our kind of. In our life, because you kind of got to be a pro before you were a pro and wear what you wanted to wear. And so, yeah, for me, it was a. It was a really good time of fashion in the world we want. But it all started with what you could wear on the street. And that's why I really love Georgetown, because of how cool they were even before I got to see them on the floor.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. What I was meaning is growing up, you know, because Ewing and Hoy, you know, Hoya paranoia was in the 80s, and I was just curious if you were old enough to get gear, if you wanted to get gear from Georgetown or there was some other school, because I think you looked at Duke, didn't you? If you didn't go to Michigan, it was either Michigan State or Duke.
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Paul Skeens
Yes. Yes. And so Patrick, you and is a little older than me. And I didn't get Georgetown gear, but you would always see all the cool guys in the neighborhood wearing it. I remember his interview with my father, you know, telling me where Patrick E. Was from. And I remember my mother telling me how smart you had to be to go to Georgetown. So I really remember those conversations, more so than watching Pat play. But Coach Carrillo rest in peace, who is a close, close mentor of mine. When I got in the pros, I heard so many great stories about that Princeton Georgetown game, but those were much later. So No, I didn't really get to see that because I was going to Duke. I was going to Michigan State to be like Steve Smith going to Duke to play with Grand Hill or, you know, Lucky. Luckily went to Michigan to play with Juwan. Jalen Ran. Jim.
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Dan Patrick
Toughest guy you ever faced in college.
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Paul Skeens
Christian Laitner is the best. One of the best college players of all time. I think of great college players. I think of Kareem Walton. Of course, there are a lot of others that are mixed in, that have one or two great years, but it was. It was by far, by far Christian Laitner, for me, because. Sorry, Christian Laitner and Big Dog Robinson, because those two, Glenn Robinson, those two were the first big guys that put it on the floor that could dribble, that could pump fake, that could get you in foul trouble, that played outside the game. You know, when you look at the evolution of the game, we grew up when big guys weren't supposed to handle it. And so Laettner being able to shoot threes, Laetner being able to just do all the stuff that he did from a freshman all the way to a senior, I would definitely say in my time, I think he was the toughest for me to play for, play against.
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Dan Patrick
Do you ever have a conversation with him about that rivalry and games you guys played against each other?
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Paul Skeens
No, no, no. But it's. It's. It's overdue. It's. It's long overdue. We should have a beer over, because I. I think I've told you this before. My best. One of my best college visits, if I had, you know, eight or nine of them, was definitely at Duke. And my host, so I was very familiar with him when we played. That's why we talked so much junk to each other. And, you know, he knew my admiration, but the more admiration I have for you, the more I'm gonna try to kill you anyway. And I think that's the same with him. But, no, we haven't talked about it, but, you know, it'd be fun, fun, fun to talk about.
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Dan Patrick
It would be. It'd be a fun podcast where it's just you two talking about that time because you had Duke, the establishment, you guys, you know, freshmen, and going toe to toe with them. You probably had people who liked you because they hate. Hated Duke so much.
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Paul Skeens
They did. And also I had people that were mad at me because I didn't hate Duke. I mean, I hated him because I wanted to beat him. But all of the other talk and this, that I didn't get into because I hated him enough just from basketball. And I went to visit there and I wanted to be part of, you know, of that team. But, you know, Coach K is such a special guy. And, you know, when I think about. And again, we keep saying in the book, by God's grace, when I think about Coach K coming to my house and recruiting me, he was in enemy territory, actually. My friends were screaming, 103, 73. 103, 73. That was the score that they lost against UNLV. And people are outside chanting this while he's walking in my house. And all he does is turn around on the porch and adjust his ring. And everybody's like, so when I saw Coach K's toughness, you know, in the hood and how he was, you know, respectful of Ferris and all that, he's always been one of my favorite coaches in the game as well.
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Dan Patrick
Okay, wait a minute. Your boys are outside. Coach K is walking into your house, and they're mocking him of getting blown out by 30 by UNLV.
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Paul Skeens
Yeah, Dan, I actually got to send this to you because I interviewed my guys on the porch that he walked in and they were saying it because my father was like, don't tell anybody. You know, Coach K is coming. And so the whole neighborhood knew. And so he gets out the car and they are just booing. But when he walked back out, people were like, yeah, coach, you know, you know, good job. So he earned our respect. But yeah, Coach. Coach K was tough. It's not just. It's not just an act. You know, he's a. He's a good guy and tough at heart, and so he's always had my respect. He and his all remind me of a lot of each other, too. And I consider coaches or a very close friend.
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Dan Patrick
Chris Weber, the Hall of Famer, member of the Fab Five, more concerned about transfer portal or nil in the future for the sport.
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Paul Skeens
Can you separate them? Can there be one without the other? You know, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm very happy that, you know, any time you're in the beginning of any new system is going to be terrible. You're going to have to figure it out. So I can't wait until the playing field levels and we figure it out. But I think coaches are getting a taste of their medicine. You want to leave your guys and coach and leave. Well, some guys are going to leave you mentally late in the season when you decide that. But also I hope that players start to understand that the same love and passion should Be there. But even more than ever, you made a commitment now. And I've talked to a lot of young players, and I don't know, I talked to a lot of young players, and we are working through understanding that you're getting paid for this commitment now. So you have no excuse, but you still need to come with the same energy and innocence of passion that you would have played with. And how do you figure that out? And I think some guys are figuring out. I also think some players are looking mid season saying, well, I could. I'm averaging 8. I can go average 10 here next year in a crazy, unsubstantiated situation. And then they go into the transfer portal and no one picks them up. So, you know, it's a. It's a. It's a difficult time right now. And I think everyone from coaches, players are all kind of getting used to seeing, like, how is this going to. Going to level out. But there needs to be more discussion and. And hopefully more leveling of the playing field so everyone can get comfortable.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, I'm wondering about that. That if you get money when you're in college, does that help you when you go to the pros and get money? Because a lot of times you go into the pros and you go crazy because you haven't had this kind of money and you buy stupid things. Did you do that?
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Paul Skeens
Yeah, every. Every. Every. Everybody. Everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody's done that. And I thought it was sports until I talked to a lot of my friends in VC and others, and I found out it's all people that do that. But I definitely was one of those guys. But you're gonna do that, I think, too, with guys. Let's take a guy like the big fella from Kansas. Bigson. He was. He was at Michigan and it was. He's a really good guy and he plays with passion. He's so hard. He wanted to stay at Michigan and he's going, I'm not playing pro now. I think he's a pro, so I'm not having that conversation. He's a pro. He's a pro, He's a pro. But that was the conversation then. And the conversation asked to me, who was someone that never been in that position. What would you do? You know, because my thing was you can stay here for Legacy. You've been in Michigan four years and having records and numbers. Do you. You know what that's like when you get older to be. Come back to Michigan and say that you were part of it? This is a wonderful University. And I think that. I think that that factor has been taken out of the decision making because guys are saying, you know what? I might not make the pros. I might not have the luxury of getting a paycheck and buying something stupid. I need to make as much as I can now and prepare for a professional career overseas or in coaching. So I think guys are battling with a lot of different decisions that really are. They're struggling with, that they don't want to have. I was talking with Deion Sanders for a show I'm doing, and he was telling me that the parents were more of a problem with the Portal and with Nil than the students because the students haven't lived life enough to kind of be that greedy yet or to just not put team first. And so again, I think it's a lot of different situations. You know, guys are getting taxed off the nil and didn't know they were getting tax and parents were you. So it's. It's just so much going on that, that hopefully again, the dust just settles.
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Dan Patrick
What's the craziest thing that you spent money on early?
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Paul Skeens
I mean, you know, I was smart in the beginning because I wanted to get my parents everything, so. And I had a big family. But for me, I mean, you know, the day, you know, I got drafted, it was a chapter in my book called Gators for everybod. So gators, you know, are a shoe. Now I look at this. So damn stupid. But gators are a shoe. And back then it was big block gators. And you know, from guys in the hood to preachers to anybody had gators. And so what did I do? I went and bought gators for everyone in my neighborhood. I mean, even if they didn't have a suit. Hey, why don't you have some gators and take this or, you know, oh, man. I took friends to restaurants, you know, that we had never been to. So a guy lived across the street from Ibuki. Rest in peace. Just stupid stuff. You go to restaurants, you pour concoction a hot sauce and you say, the guy here, I gave you $5,000 if you eat it. And you're happy because you were gonna give him something anyway. But you know, your friends, you have to bust them up. And so, you know, I've done a lot more worse things, I'm sure, in, in other areas of life. But I remember when I first got it was that, oh, one of the most fun things I did, the pride was stupid. I went to a music place. I had a truck a white Suburban when it first came out, and I asked him to give me the loudest sounds in the world. And the guy laughed. And I immediately walked out, went down the street and asked the guy for the loudest sounds in the world. He was like, I could do that. And so I took out every seat Besides the front two seats. I had 16, 12, 14, eight. Something crazy. And I used to just love driving down the street, making alarms go off or breaking my window in the back. And so I think that's pretty stupid to, you know, put, you know, $50,000, $40,000 worth of sounds in your truck that only one person can fit in. You can't even put your luggage in. But it was a good time. It was a good time.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. But here's your dad who worked factory for all of those years. Did he ever say, what are you doing?
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Paul Skeens
Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah. But story, timeline, keep going. I know it's your show. I want to keep going.
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Dan Patrick
But I know you bought him a Cadillac, right?
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Paul Skeens
But that was the best thing. I told him Magic was coming to the house and I went to the and he loves Magic. I went to the car dealership in Cadillac and people started cheering when I went in because they knew my father had worked for GM for, you know, many, many years. And I bought him a Cadillac. I had to cut the grass meticulously now. And you never got to play football on the grass or anything. I drive the car on the grass. My father comes out at 6 in the about 7 in the morning. And that was one of the most special moments of my life. Getting yelled at while throwing the keys to my father while he's driving off, telling me to make sure I take care of the grass is was a pretty cool moment.
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Dan Patrick
Always great. Thank you for storytelling time, Chris. We appreciate your time as always.
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Paul Skeens
Thanks, Dan. Appreciate you.
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Dan Patrick
He is Chris Weber. He is a Hall of Famer and number one overall pick by the Magic back in 1993. A lot of fun. Always appreciate conversations with him. All right, we'll take a break. More of your phone calls coming up. Back after this.
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Steve Lapis
FOX Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.
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Dan Patrick
Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Hey, it's Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Covino and Rich on FOX Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5.
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Steve Lapis
To 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific.
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Dan Patrick
On Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the IHEARTRADIO app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich?
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A.J. Jacobs
We talk about everything.
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Dan Patrick
Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends.
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Steve Lapis
For the last 20 years and still.
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Dan Patrick
Work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino Enriched Live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern.
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Steve Lapis
2 to 4 Pacific.
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Dan Patrick
And if you miss any of the.
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Steve Lapis
Live show, just search Ko Vino Enrich wherever you get your podcast.
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Dan Patrick
And of course on social media, that's Covino and Rich.
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Margie Murphy
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Steve Lapis
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Colleen Witt
Love it. First swipe. I highly doubt it what's your biggest red flag? No, no, no. What's your ultimate green flag? These days, reality and social media have us thinking love is instant. We're marrying strangers at first sight, we're finding love through walls, or we're even judging people by balloon pops. But what really makes a relationship last? On this episode of Dope Labs, poet, author and relationship expert Young Pueblo breaks down the psychology and biology of loving better and he provides eye opening insights and advice that we all need.
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A.J. Jacobs
It's a big realization moment that you should not be postponing your happiness. Like your greatest happiness is not necessarily going to like come from a relationship. Your partner. They should add to your happiness, but your happiness is really coming from within you.
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Colleen Witt
Listen to Dope labs on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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A.J. Jacobs
Ever wonder what it would be like to be mentored by today's top business leaders? My podcast this Is Working can help with that. Here's advice from Google CMO Lorraine Twohill on how to treat AI like a partner.
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Paul Skeens
I see AI as an incredible copilot.
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Dan Patrick
You may use different tools or toys to get the work done, but ultimately.
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Colleen Witt
As editor, as creator, as maker, you.
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Dan Patrick
Own it and it's needs to be good. AI is just the latest flavor of that.
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Margie Murphy
You're still the judge of what good looks like.
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A.J. Jacobs
I'm Dan Roth, LinkedIn's editor in chief. On my podcast this Is Working, leaders like Indra Nooy, Ray Dalio and Rich Paul share strategies for success and the real lessons that have shaped them. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Olivia Carville
In 2020, a group of young women in a tidy suburb of New York City found themselves in an AI fueled nightmare.
- [25:34]
Dan Patrick
Someone was posting photos.
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Paul Skeens
It was just me naked. Well, not me, but me with someone.
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Chris Webber
Else'S body parts on my body.
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Paul Skeens
Parts that looked exactly like my own.
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Steve Lapis
I wanted to throw up.
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Olivia Carville
I wanted to scream. It happened in Levittown, New York. But reporting the series took us through the darkest corners of the Internet and to the front lines of a global battle against deepfake pornography.
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Margie Murphy
This should be illegal.
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Colleen Witt
But what is this?
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Olivia Carville
This is a story about a technology that's moving faster than the law and about vigilantes trying to stem the tide. I'm Margie Murphy. And I'm Olivia Carville. This is Levittown, a new podcast from iHeart podcasts Bloomberg and Kaleidoscope. Listen to Levittown on Bloomberg's Big Take podcast. Find it on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Dan Patrick
Paul skeens, he is one of three MLB the Show 25 cover athletes. This is the 20th anniversary honoring two decades of baseball history. Ellie Dela Cruz and Gunner Henderson are on the COVID as well. The Pirates Rookie of the year joining us on the program. What did you learn from your rookie year or what do you wish that you had known in your rookie year or when you were in the, in college minor leagues coming up to the Pirates?
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Chris Webber
Yeah, I mean the biggest thing I learned from, from getting to the big leagues is that the game is a lot more similar than I thought in terms of the actual, the baseball, you know, play. Everything that's added on makes it a lot harder. So traveling cross country, we had a couple of cross country flights last year. Our travel within the division is pretty good. You know, our, our long or less than an hour long flights for the most part within our division. But still, I mean you got the media in the, in the locker room every day. The food is different. It's, it's better but there's more of it. So it's easy to, you know, overindulge. Just a lot, a lot of little stuff like that that makes it just makes it makes it different and probably makes it a little bit harder.
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Dan Patrick
What's the strangest thing you've thought of while you were on the mound?
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Chris Webber
Oh man, probably like doing math problems or something like that. I don't know if you've ever seen, I think it was Major league OR Major League 2. The catcher is, is, you know, learning to get over the yips and he like memorizes a Playboy magazine or something like that. And I do that with math problems rather than, you know, Playboy magazines.
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Dan Patrick
But how does that help you?
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Chris Webber
I mean, because it's, it's very. So it's very easy to like focus too hard and try to execute a pitch, you know, too much and then you just completely sail it or like pull a slider or sail a heater or something like that. So like having your mind not, you know, solely focused on, on that pitch, like a little bit of distraction is sometimes a good thing.
- [28:50]
Dan Patrick
Give me the guy that you keep an eye on in the on deck circle that you know he's coming to the plate.
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Chris Webber
It's probably one per team. Usually it's like the three hitter or something like that. Maybe it's to a team it's because we kind of like bucket hitters a little bit to where we can pitch them similarly to get them Out. But there's always like, one guy in the lineup that's like, hey, this guy doesn't beat us. So, I mean, it's the Juan Sotos, the Ellie De La Cruz, Cody Bollinger, those types of guys, they, I mean, you know, they're coming up.
- [29:32]
Dan Patrick
What do you do when you disagree with your catcher?
- [29:36]
Chris Webber
Just shake. I wear a pitch calm, too, and, and I'll, I'll punch it in sometimes, but, yeah, just shake. There are no, there are no hard feelings there.
- [29:45]
Dan Patrick
But you have final say.
- [29:47]
Chris Webber
Yeah, I mean, if I, my, my experience is generally if I throw a pitch that I don't wholly believe in, it doesn't end well. So I have to, you know, throw pitches that I, I believe in out there with, you know, full conviction, and then generally ends. Ends pretty well.
- [30:03]
Dan Patrick
But when you give up a big hit or a home run in college, it's one thing, but when you have thousands and thousands of people and you know it's going to end up on SportsCenter, like, how do you process that differently, if you can, than when you were in college and you gave up a home run?
- [30:21]
Chris Webber
Yeah, honestly. And I think this is probably more of a change for me, but I think I took it, like, took it harder or took it. Took it more personally when I was in college than I do now. And I think there are probably a couple reasons for that. I think I've matured, grown up a little bit. But also, we get to do it more often now in college. It's like, you know, the SEC is the biggest thing in the world and nothing else matters. Like, that's, that's the, that's what they feed you, right? So when I give up a home run at Ole Miss and the beer's flying everywhere, like, it feels like the end of the world a little bit more than, than it does now. When I give up a home run and, you know, Dodger Stadium or something like that, it's just. And I think, I think part of that's because it's. It's so routine now, but I think a lot of it's because I have just like, grown up to talking to.
- [31:12]
Dan Patrick
Paul Skeens, and He's one of three MLB the Show, 25 cover athletes. You got Gunner Henderson and Ellie Della Cruz. Tell us about the honor. When. How did you find out?
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Chris Webber
Yeah, I can't remember exactly when I found out. There was something that I think, you know, we were in the talks for. For, I don't know, probably last summer, last September, around there kind of blends together when we're in season. But it was cool when I, you know, found out that it's, you know, no kidding happening. I mean, definitely some satisfaction there. It's, it's pretty cool. I've, you know, grown up seeing, you know, the COVID athletes of the show and seeing the game. It's been a, a huge part of a lot of people's childhood, I think, as like, the game that they want to play when they, when they get to play video games. So cool.
- [32:12]
Dan Patrick
What else are you a gamer of?
- [32:14]
Chris Webber
I'm not, I'm not really a gamer at all.
- [32:17]
Dan Patrick
Really. Okay.
- [32:18]
Chris Webber
So, yeah, so the only time I would play the show, because I never had a PlayStation or Xbox or anything, the only time I would play the show is when I, like, went to, you know, my, my buddy's house or something like that, and they had it. But I've always been terrible at it. And if I, I'm the kind of person, like, if I'm not good at something, I just won't. I'll just stop doing it. Yeah, I'm the, I'm the take my ball and go home type of guy.
- [32:43]
Dan Patrick
How territorial are you when it comes to the SEC, whether it's football? 14 schools are in the NCAA tournament. The baseball with the SEC. Are you annoying to be around when it's conversations about the SEC now?
- [32:58]
Chris Webber
Because I'm a, I'm a baseball guy. First football I could kind of care less about. I mean, I'm a true believer that, because I'm an SEC guy, but I'm a Mountain west guy, too. And I'm a true believer that the Mountain west just breeds winners. So probably more territorial about the Mountain west because it's not a, you know, people don't, people don't know about the, the Mountain west, but that's where, that's where champions are made. I believe that.
- [33:24]
Dan Patrick
Okay, but you're in Pittsburgh. They love their football there. Do you go to, you care about, you go to games?
- [33:32]
Chris Webber
Yeah, but I mean, because I look at college baseball and call and, and pro baseball as two different sports. I, I, I, I never played football. I don't understand what's going on out there. I know that you're supposed to move the ball down the field, but I, I view college football and pro football as two different sports, too. So I've gone to a Steelers game. It was, it was really cool. I want to go back. I'm a Steelers fan, you know, now bleed black and gold, so. But yeah, I don't, I don't they're fun. The games are fun to go to.
- [34:08]
Dan Patrick
Are you going to be okay with the automatic strike zone?
- [34:12]
Chris Webber
Yeah. Hey, it's not in there this year, so I'm happy with that. I haven't, I haven't challenged anything this spring. It's not going to be in there this year. When it comes, it comes. I like the human aspect of the game because I think that, you know, there are games where the umpire zone is big and there are games where the umpire zone is small. Obviously, catchers, you, you bring in the automatic strike zone, then it completely devalues framing, which, you know, effectively eliminates the catching position. So I, I have mixed feelings toward it. I, I do like the, the human aspect of the game, but there's definitely something to be said about, you know, being objective with the strike zone.
- [34:57]
Dan Patrick
Yeah, but when you're at the plate and all of a sudden there's a, you know, a star pitcher and he gets a call, you're okay with that. And it's not a strike, but because of who he is, Justin Verlander is going to get that call.
- [35:11]
Chris Webber
Yeah, I mean, I prefer it that way. I don't have to hit anymore.
- [35:16]
Dan Patrick
Do you want to hit?
- [35:20]
Chris Webber
No. Maybe BP occasionally, but I, I don't want to face Justin Verlander. I don't want to face any of these other guys. They're too, they're too, they're too good.
- [35:31]
Dan Patrick
If you were building the perfect pitcher. So you gave me fastball, slider, curveball, change up. Who's using your fastball.
- [35:43]
Chris Webber
Yeah, I'd like to think all four of those are, you know, mine, but.
- [35:49]
Dan Patrick
Let'S just not be taste. I'm glad you think that way.
- [35:54]
Chris Webber
Yeah. I mean, because you can't use my fastball with like, because I would say, like my fastball and Clayton Kershaw's curveball or something like that. But, like, we're the exact opposite pitchers, basically. I, I, I'd like to thank my fastball, Kershaw's curveball for sure. Just a straight up and down curveball change up scuba. Those are two lefties slider. And there's so many good ones. I think a nice, like, for, for me, like a downer, a downer slider, like a degrom, like a shorter downer slider, because that's something I don't have. But there's, I mean, striders, slider. There are so many, so many ways, so many different ways to have a good slider, though, so specifically a slider.
- [36:54]
Dan Patrick
Amazing that these guys can hit this stuff, I mean, they talk about hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do and there are guys that are hitting a hundred miles an hour and it's like, so what?
- [37:07]
Chris Webber
Yeah, I, I don't, I don't know how they do it. I'll let them do it. That's why I'm not going to try to try to get back in the box.
- [37:15]
Dan Patrick
Congratulations Opening Day. Congratulations on MLB the show. That's the COVID with Ellie Della Cruz, Gunner Henderson, and this is honoring the 20th anniversary of that. Great to talk to you again, Paul. Thanks for joining us.
- [37:31]
Chris Webber
Yeah, no, really appreciate it.
- [37:33]
Dan Patrick
Paul Skeens. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
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A.J. Jacobs
Like to be mentored by today's top business leaders? My podcast, this is Working can help with that. Here's some advice from Jamie Dimon, the CEO of JPMorgan Chase, on standing out from the leadership crowd.
- [38:58]
Steve Lapis
Develop your eq. A lot of people have plenty of brains, but EQ is do you trust me? Do I communicate well?
- [39:04]
Paul Skeens
You know, when you walk in a.
- [39:05]
Steve Lapis
Room, do people feel good you're there? Are you responsive to people? Do people know you have a heart? Develop the team, develop the people. Create a system of trust.
- [39:13]
Paul Skeens
And it works over time.
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A.J. Jacobs
I'm Dan Roth, LinkedIn's editor in chief on my podcast, this is Working leaders like Jamie Dimon, Mark Cuban and Richard Branson share strategies for success and the real lessons that have shaped them. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colleen Witt
Love at first swipe? I highly doubt it. What's your biggest red flag? No, no, no. What's your ultimate green flag? These days, reality TV and social media have us thinking love is instant. We're marrying strangers at first sight, we're finding love through walls, or we're even judging people by balloon pops. But what really makes a relationship last? On this episode of Dope Labs, poet, author and relationship expert Young Pueblo breaks down the psychology and biology of loving better. And he provides eye opening insights and advice that we all need.
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A.J. Jacobs
It's a big realization moment that you should not be postponing your happiness. Like your greatest happiness is not necessarily going to like come from a relationship. Your partner, they should add to your happiness, but your happiness is really coming from within you.
- [40:24]
Colleen Witt
Listen to Dope labs on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
- [40:34]
Olivia Carville
In 2020, a group of young women in a tidy suburb of New York City found themselves in an AI fueled nightmare.
- [40:43]
Dan Patrick
Someone was posting photos.
- [40:46]
Paul Skeens
It was just me naked. Well, not me, but me with someone.
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Chris Webber
Else'S body parts on my body.
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Paul Skeens
Parts that looked exactly like my own.
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Olivia Carville
I wanted to throw up. I wanted to scream. It happened in Levittown, New York. But reporting the series took us through the darkest corners of the Internet and to the front lines of a global battle against deepfake pornography.
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Colleen Witt
This should be illegal, but what is this?
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Olivia Carville
This is a story about a technology that's moving faster than the law and about vigilantes trying to stem the tide. I'm Margie Murphy. And I'm Olivia Carville. This is Levittown, a new podcast from iHeart podcasts Bloomberg and Kaleidoscope. Listen to Levittown on Bloomberg's Big Take podcast. Find it on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [41:37]
Dan Patrick
Hi, I'm Bob Pippman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to introduce a brand new season of my podcast Math and stories from the frontiers of Marketing. I'm having conversations with some interesting folks across a wide range of industries to hear how they reach the top of their fields and the lessons they learned along the way that everyone can use. I'll be joined by innovative leaders like Chairman and CEO of Health Beauty, Tarang Amin.
- [42:02]
Paul Skeens
The way I approach risk is constantly try things and actually make it okay to fail.
- [42:07]
Dan Patrick
I'm sitting down with legendary singer, songwriter and philanthropist Jewel.
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Margie Murphy
I wanted a way to do something that I loved for the rest of my life.
- [42:15]
Dan Patrick
We're also hearing how leaders brought their businesses out of unprecedented times, like Stephane Bonsell, CEO of Moderna. It becomes a human decision to decide.
- [42:25]
Paul Skeens
To throw by the window your business.
- [42:28]
Dan Patrick
Strategy and to do what you think.
- [42:29]
Paul Skeens
Is the right thing for the world.
- [42:31]
Dan Patrick
Join me as we uncover any innovations in data and analytics, the math and the ever important creative spark, the magic. Listen to math and magic stories from the frontiers of Marketing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Steve Lappis joining us on loan from CBS Sports Studio analyst and college basketball analyst, former college hoop coach at Manhattan, Villanova and UMass. You've done a great job and I've been meaning to reach out to you the last couple years. Every time I hear you in the tournament and I always go, we should get Steve Lapis on. I love the energy that you have. It's great to see you again, Coach. How you doing?
- [43:10]
Steve Lapis
Great to see you, Dan. It's been a long time.
- [43:13]
Dan Patrick
I think I go back to when was the first time I met you. Villanova, probably Villanova.
- [43:20]
Steve Lapis
Maybe even Villanova's an assistant coach, as I was from 85 to 88, so probably back then.
- [43:28]
Dan Patrick
So you came up with a game plan to beat Georgetown in the NCAA finals.
- [43:33]
Steve Lapis
You know what? That was my first year, Dan, as an assistant coach. I came from high school before and people ask me about that all the time. I said, boy, what did you do? I said, well, I was getting the coffee, the sneakers. I was doing all those things in my first year.
- [43:48]
Dan Patrick
And I always maintain when people talk about that as one of the great upsets of all time. And I said, I don't think it is. I think NC State beating Houston was a bigger upset. Villanova, you had played Georgetown and I think he lost by six or eight points. So you knew what you, you know, you knew the battle, you knew the Big east, you knew Georgetown, and therefore I don't view it as that big of an upset. Even though you guys had to play pretty much the perfect game. How do you view it, Dan?
- [44:16]
Steve Lapis
I tell people that all the time. I know, you know, it's great for us that we were part of this greatest upset ever, but you're 100% right. We played them twice that year, lost by four, lost by six. The year before that, when I wasn't there they beat Georgetown, Villanova. Eddie picked me as a sophomore, had 22 points and 20 rebounds against Patrick Ewing in a game that was an epic. So we knew, we didn't feel it like getting ready for the game. I mean, we knew we had to play well. There's no question that was an unbelievable team. And let's understand this. We shot 79%, we won by two. So you know what I mean, that tells you how good they were. But I can't agree with you more. You know, when you play somebody twice a year. We had seen Patrick Ewing nine times before that they would have intimidated anybody else they played. And I'll be honest with you, we were happy we weren't playing St. John's it was a worse matchup for us because we were a matchup zone team. And Chris Mullen was obviously one of the best shooters in the world. Georgetown wasn't a good shooting team. We liked that matchup better than St. John's.
- [45:23]
Dan Patrick
You know, you start to look at the all time greats in college basketball. I don't know if Christian Laettner is the last of the all time greats because they're not staying three or four years. It's usually if you're really good, I mean, Cooper Flagg could be one of the great players of all time, but he's just going to be a footnote of a one and done at Duke and maybe they win a national title.
- [45:45]
Steve Lapis
You know, there's no doubt. This, this is a new age. You know, we're not going to see the Bill Waltons and the Lu Al Cinders and you know, the even, you know, Christian Laettner who was a good pro but wasn't like obviously Bill Walton or Lu Alcinder.
- [45:59]
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
- [45:59]
Steve Lapis
Or even Patrick Ewing was one of the greatest college players there ever was. So, you know, it's just a different age now. And even now it's even gotten crazier with this nil and transfer portal. Even schools themselves, forget about the general public, it's hard for schools themselves to honor guys that are only at their school for one year and then they're gone.
- [46:21]
Dan Patrick
I wondered about this. I brought it up with Dan Dockage and I said Indiana never reached out to Steve Alford to coach there because, you know, Clyde Drexler was at Houston, Mullen was at St. John's Patrick Ewing at Georgetown. You can't hire somebody unless you know, you can fire them. And I'm just, I was always curious why Steve Allford never got the opportunity to coach Indiana.
- [46:46]
Steve Lapis
You know, that's a great point because here's a guy who's won 700 games in his career. He's been a tremendous coach his whole life. From a young age. He obviously was one of the greatest players in the history of the school, you know, winning the championship in 87 and yeah, it's just a surprising thing now. I think probably part of it has to do with the fact that he did coach at Iowa. That may have, you know, he got that job when he was younger and maybe that hurt him a little bit that he coached another Big Ten school. But he's a tremendous coach and, you know, would have been a great one at I. At Indiana, no question.
- [47:22]
Dan Patrick
All right. You called games in Providence. So you had Arkansas over Kansas, you had St. John's over Omaha. And that sets up Patino, Caliperi. Where did that relationship go sideways between those two?
- [47:35]
Steve Lapis
You know, I think it went sideways like a long time ago, to be honest. I think it's actually a little better now. You know, I think part of it was when John Caliperi got the UMass job. Rick Pitino's a UMass graduate and he had some input into, you know, who was going to coach at the school. And it started got out that Rick Pitino was not in Caliperi's corner for Caliper to get the job he wanted somebody else to get. So I think that's kind of where it started. And we all knew each other. We all met each other at the Five Star basketball camp back in 1980. So, you know, he go, we go back a long way and those two guys go back a long way. And I, I think that's where. And then the rivalry just grew because, you know, John, they're both big personalities, as we know, and they both, you know, feel like they're great basketball coaches, which they are. And, you know, I think the rivalry just grew from there. But I think it started with the UMass job.
- [48:32]
Dan Patrick
And I forget who we had on, but they, they said Jim Boeheim, and Boeheim said, you can put Pitino there with Mike Krzyzewski. Like he's, he's on that level. Nobody's where Wooden is, you know, for obvious reasons, but he said as far as modern day basketball coaches, greatest of all time, he would put Pitino right there with Coach K. What about you?
- [48:56]
Steve Lapis
Absolutely, Dan. No question. I mean, think about it. Besides the fact that he's got the 875, whatever wins, think about all the years he spent in the NBA. So he would have a lot More wins in college. He's got two titles. You know, I always tell people, me personally, like, people ask me all the time, if you had the one game you got to win one game, who would you want to coach? I said, there's two people, Bob Knight and Rick Patino. If I got to win one game.
- [49:25]
Dan Patrick
Well, that's high praise there.
- [49:28]
Steve Lapis
Yeah.
- [49:28]
Dan Patrick
Well, not, not Coach K. I, you.
- [49:32]
Steve Lapis
Know, here, Coach K was a great coach. I look at those guys different. See, Coach K, he was maybe the greatest leader of all time. That was his thing, his leadership. Not that he was a next to no guy night and Patino, those guys were tinkerers. They were exynos. Not this. I'm not in. Please. I don't want anybody to take this like, oh, what are you talking about? Mike, Mike. Chefs, all time. The best, one of the best. But those two guys were like, they would tinker for game plans. Mike Chevsky's philosophy was, this is what we do and we will do it better than what you do and we're going to win. These guys, they would change things. They would change the scout and report. They tweak this, tweak that. That's why, I mean, one game, those guys will game plan to make it hard for you to win.
- [50:22]
Dan Patrick
Steve Lapis, CBS Sports college basketball analyst. He has McNee State in Purdue and Arkansas in St. John. Wait, are you working in the early game here?
- [50:34]
Steve Lapis
No, no, tomorrow. My game.
- [50:36]
Dan Patrick
Oh, tomorrow. I was going to say. Oh, yeah. Okay. I was like, boy, I'm holding you back here.
- [50:42]
Paul Skeens
No, no.
- [50:42]
Steve Lapis
I had the floor yesterday.
- [50:44]
Dan Patrick
Okay. Do you have any problem with Will Wade coaching in the tournament, knowing that he's going to take another job?
- [50:50]
Steve Lapis
Yeah. I mean, let's face it, it's. It's not a great situation, you know, for the kids, school or anybody. I will say this about Will Wade, though. He was very honest. I was shocked. You know, you know how it is, Dan. You've been doing this for so long. People say, well, you know, I don't want to talk about that now, or whatever. He was very open, he said. We asked him, he said at the practice day before, he said, yeah, I'm talking to NC State. He says, but I told my players that, and my players, I'm going to help them get to the next level. If guys want to transfer, we talk very openly about this. So I don't like it, but I give the guy credit that he hasn't hidden from it. They were honest, they didn't lie. And, you know, you got it there's something to be said for that, too.
- [51:32]
Dan Patrick
Yeah, I'm okay with the transparency. I just find it a little weird that he's helping the university, but he might hurt the university because maybe he takes some of these players with him to NC State, maybe part of the coaching staff as well. So, yes, you're helping, but then he could be hurting here in a week or two.
- [51:51]
Steve Lapis
There's no definite. There's no. There's no doubt that if we were going to put a scale, which. Which way is worse than the other. There's no doubt that the fact that this came out, that he's going is worse for the school and everybody involved. The only thing I'm saying is it's a bad situation and he didn't lie about it. That's all I could say.
- [52:11]
Dan Patrick
What's it like to get fired?
- [52:16]
Steve Lapis
You know, it's. It's a. It's. That's an interesting question. Obviously, it stinks, as we know, but the thing that gets you more than anything else is that you spend your whole life doing this thing that you think you're pretty good at, and it's kind of been your dream, and then all of a sudden, you know, it could be over. And so you spent all your life from when you're a kid. You know, I know for me, from when I was a kid, all I wanted to do was coach, coach, coach. I grew up in New York City and I coached in high school. Jv. I came up the ranks. And then, you know, when that happens, it's a jolt because this is what you want to do. And now you don't even know if you're going to be able to keep doing it. And it's not like, you know, if you're an accountant and you get let go as an accountant, you'll probably find another accountant job. Unless you were scaling or something, you'll find another account job. This business is very small and, you know, I mean, unfortunately, college coaches don't get recycled the way they do in the NBA. So, you know, I had to kind of remake myself, you know, by getting into tv. And it's worked out unbelievable. CBS has been great to me. And the other thing about it, Dan, is, you know, publicly, it's embarrassing. You know what I mean? You know, it's in a. Something happens to you, like that's in the newspapers. It's, you know, everybody knows it. Everybody knows it. It's not like, you know, again, you work in an accounting firm or whatever, you can not say anything to anybody. Nobody will Know, everybody knows. And let's face it. And I. I don't think so. I think I got cut short of UMass big time. I think we were on the. On the right road. But, you know, what happens is, you know, that that's my story. The story on the outside is this guy wasn't good enough. And that's sucks.
- [54:05]
Dan Patrick
What do you see with Cooper? Flag. If I said maybe Question marks with him of what he's going to take to the NBA about his game.
- [54:15]
Steve Lapis
Question marks, boy, it's really hard to find them. You know, you wonder because he's so skilled. You know, we're talking about a guy who leads his team in every category. So, I mean, here's a 6, 9, 610 kid who, you know, not only shoots, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, he does it all. Now, college basketball is different today than it was, you know, 20 years ago. There's no doubt about it. But, you know, I would say, how's he going to hold up physically? If I had to pick something, that's probably where I would go is, how is he going to hold up physically?
- [54:49]
Dan Patrick
I don't know if you had conversations or you've talked to coaches who've had these conversations when a kid thinks he's ready. I remember talking to Jim Boeheim about this, and he had a player who wanted to go, and he said, don't go. And the player went and didn't succeed. But he said, you know, I'm assessing your talent. Do I want you to go if you're ready to go? Yes. But I think the player may have thought that Jim was being selfish by saying, no, you're not ready to go. But it turns out, you know, that the kid wasn't ready to go. It's a tough conversation to have, I would think, because it's a kid, and then you have parents who are involved in this. So do you have any background stories on that?
- [55:34]
Steve Lapis
Yeah, I mean, I had. I had two kids. I had, you know, Tim Thomas and Kerry Kittles. And Tim was one of the first guys to leave after a year. He left in 1997. He stayed one year. He left, and then I didn't think he was ready. And I'll tell you what I told him. I said, tim, here's the thing I think you need. Because that team that he was on his freshman year, we had three seniors who were really good players who had been there for four years and won a lot of games. And so he was obviously a big part of the scouting report, but he wasn't the part of the scouting report, and I said, I think you need a year where this thing is going to focus on you. You are the. We had these other three seniors that were all good players. So it was hard for you to just get all of the attention in a scouting report or whatever. I said, I think you need a year of being the man here. It's on you. You got to get this done for us to win. It's not like last year. We can go into the background and we can still win here. It's about you now. The difference for Tim was his mom was older. She was cleaning houses, you know. You know, so, you know, from a financial standpoint, he had to go. He wasn't ready. From a basketball standpoint, he had a good career. Don't get me wrong. He made a lot of money. I don't know if Tim ever really became. I thought he could be an NBA all star. He wasn't. He was a really good player. And I'm not saying that's why he wasn't. But, you know, it's funny, Dan, he came back to me like two years later, said, boy, coach, I wish I would have stayed because not. Not so much for the. Not so much for the basketball, even. But just to be a college kid for another year is not the worst thing in the world.
- [57:11]
Dan Patrick
I give me the team that could make it to the final four where we'll look back and say, I'll be damned. Steve Lapis knew what he was talking about.
- [57:19]
Steve Lapis
Maryland. You know, Maryland is a team and it's kind of under the radar. I mean, I can easily give you, you know, Houston, Auburn, Duke, but a team that you got to keep your eye on is Maryland. Maryland, starting five is as good as any starting five in the country. They have no bench. So now, could that get them in the end? Yeah, they get into some foul trouble, whatever. You know, this thing, this tournament, one game, you're out. But you take. You keep an eye on Maryland in terms of what they do. Now you watch the lose today. You know what? Then in my house, we used to have a pool every year. Me, my wife and my two kids. I was last every year of the four of us. So that tells you where this thing is at.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, I like Maryland, but I don't like what's going on with the coach and the athletic director there. It feels like both are out the door. And now you're going to face Grand Canyon. And I know you're ten and a half point favorites, but I just. If you're not focused, man, it just, it'll bite you right in the ass. That, that would be my big concern with Maryland.
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Steve Lapis
Well, you know what? That was my concern about McNeese yesterday and I said it. Look what they did. They couldn't have played any better. So, you know, you're right. And I said the same thing yesterday. I'm not saying it again because of McNeese. They burned me yesterday.
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Dan Patrick
Keep the passion, keep the enthusiasm. And thanks for joining us, Steve.
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Steve Lapis
Hey, thanks for having me, Danny. It's an honor to be on with you. Thank you.
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Dan Patrick
Thank you, bud. Steve Lapis, CBS Sports College Basketball Analyst.
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