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You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. Sonny Vaccaro has a book. It's called Legend Souls the Memoir of an American Original. It's just been released, available online, wherever books are sold. A little background here on Sonny. I think I Met Sonny in 1983. I covered his basketball camp when it was in New Jersey and was also part of a TV show at CNN with Sonny. We did a college basketball show and he was a great resource for me. Over the years, whenever I needed something set straight or there was a rumor about a coaching change, somebody getting hired, fired, I always went to Sonny and Sonny would always, if he knew something, then he would tell me. He'd set me straight. And we've stayed in touch for whatever, 40 years now. And so I knew the story about when he was getting Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan was Mike Jordan at North Carolina and hit the shot that won the national title against Georgetown. Now, Sonny's job, Sonny was trying to grow Nike. Nike was a running shoe company. And Sonny went all in. Bob Knight saw Michael Jordan and said, that guy's going to be the greatest basketball player of all time. And you had Adidas and Converse. Who were the big shoe companies at the time? Adidas, big shoe company. And Converse had been established for quite some time prior to that. But Sunny realized that they had a budget and he was saying, use the entire budget on Michael Jordan. So he goes to Phil Knight, the CEO of Nike, and says, put all the money here on that guy. I'm betting on that guy. Well, Sonny's had a lot of different lives in this business. He got fired by Nike, he went to Adidas, he signed Kobe to his first shoe deal. Sonny was, you know, friends with Kobe's dad, Joe, who played in Italy. And then he went to. He was trying to get LeBron. He thought he had LeBron. And there's a great chapter in the book where they're meeting in Malibu and he thinks he's going to sign LeBron James to his first deal. And Sonny tells LeBron's mother, it's going to be a hundred million dollar deal. It's going to be a 10 year, 100 million dollar deal. She starts crying like this is. And then they Go into the meeting, Sonny thinks he has $100 million to play with with LeBron James, and all of a sudden realizes that Adidas is giving a. Certainly a lot less than that with some incentives in there. And, you know, and Sonny even said, you know, go, go to Nike. I can't help you here. Go to get the better deal. And he's also the guy who helped bring about name, image and likeness for athletes, the Edo Bannon case. And Sonny was very integral in years trying to get that case heard against the NCAA so players could get paid. It's been a long, long career, crazy career. Sonny Vaccaro joins us on the program. Sonny, congratulations on the book. Really well done. Yeah, it's been something I wanted to do all my life and postponed it because my life kept. I was doing something else. And then after O'Bannon, that really gave me the impetus. How much more can I do? And I want to say, but I'm proud of it. I'm not afraid of it, Dan. Not afraid of it at all. Everything we said in there, I can back up and with. With facts and not fiction. What's the story you say for the book? I think the ending of my. My relationship with Michael is much more powerful than the beginning because the ending shows we just come back from Europe on a 10 day, you know, travel trip, you know, publicizing Michael, you know, Pam and I were, you know, you saw the pictures, everything. We come home, they asked me to do one more thing for the signing of Michael, you know, the autographs for the NBA and all that with Magic Johnson, that I go in for that meeting. And then three days later, after all that, that last, you know, month of my life with Nike, I get betrayed. I think that had to be told. There was never told before. They didn't know, you know, they didn't know that the story was already written for me, even when I went to Europe, even when I did the last, most important things that I could have done with Jordan. Here's where I'm confused, Sonny. Phil Knight, CEO of Nike, comes off really petty in the book, and it feels like Michael Jordan turned his back on what was real, the real story in you signing him. But you do say in the book that Michael said he doesn't have a problem with you, but he still could have spoken up and told the truth. How much does it hurt with what feels like Phil Knight was trying to rewrite history here. I knew what was going to happen when he stopped his memoir in 1987, when he still has. He's still living. That was a long time ago. And he stopped where I got really involved with. With Michael. For all the things you'll read in a book that hurt, the. The lies that were perpetrated, you know, by, you know, you know, Michael had no reason to do this except he had. Once I was let go, I mean, Michael and I were closer than I am to anyone in that world. You know, that the world would know that. All the athletes I've been around, including Kobe and whatever, we were actually together for seven years, traveling the world. When you read the book, you know, the opening things, Michael hurt me because he didn't have to do it. And when you read when the chapter where he almost left, he almost left. So it was that close that I was still involved with Michael, that hurt. Raveling's just a bad human being who was my. My biggest, you know, hurt in the world because it was so personal. You know, it was personal. And it turned out his life continued. You know, I am able to say what I said about him, you know, in a special chapter, because he was deceitful. He didn't hurt Sonny Vaccaro. He hurt the world that he lived in. As far as dealing with athletes and being honest and being portrayed in other. Other situations as being an honest person, those three guys all had a different hurt. But Michael always had this affinity for. Because other than, you know, Levi Night, obviously, Levi Raveling, Nike, you know, Nike was just a part of me and Michael. There were personal things in there that, that, you know, that airplane ride where we played gin for 10 hours. I had many. I had. I arranged his birthday party in Las Vegas. I opened up the gates for him in Las Vegas, you know, because he liked to golf and, you know, do whatever else he did. But that was personal. That, that one's still personal. I don't have the same, you know, feelings for Michael that I do for rattling and night. That's for sure. I still, you know, he. He did great things. It's a shame that he forgot where he started. Yeah. George Raveling was best man at your wedding and a friend for a long time. Former college coach and went to work for Nike after you were let go. So. And you wait till the very end of the book and even there's some trepidation whether you're even going to write about George Raveling in your relationship. But let me go back to Michael Jordan. We're talking to Sonny Vaccaro. The book is Legends and Souls, the Memoir of an American Original, available wherever books are sold. What happens To Nike. If Michael doesn't sign with Nike. Game, set, match over. I honestly believe that there's no reason to be other than pretend that, Mike, that Nike would have been successful. There was nothing on the agenda that was successful. We were the. This was the last roll of the dice, Dan. This was. They were going all in and they didn't know it. But Adidas, would they. What would, Mikey, Michael have done to Adidas? I don't think it ever would have happened the way it happened. He still would have been Michael, but he still worked with the other guys. He'd have been camouflaged by them. He never would have gotten this opportunity. The signing with Nike and then us promoting him and then we were the only show for him. And otherwise all the. All the things from Nike went right to Jordan. It wouldn't have happened to the Adidas. They had great players and so did converse to defend him in some way. They. They were stupid now, but they weren't that stupid in 1984. It was a business decision. No one, including Sonny. I just knew he was the only one to bet the money on. The other guys weren't worth it for whatever reason. You know, I go into that, I just. I don't think. And I'll look foolish, baby, to your audience. And this isn't a grief. I mean, it's just fact. If you look at the books, you'll see that there was no money left. That's all. What the hell are they going to do? Yeah, I wonder what it would have done to the global shoe industry as well. Well, that's the best question, I think, what I saw, because none of the signings after that by the athletes, you know, getting right. The Seth Curry to where we are today and all the girls now getting that. It would have taken time because no one was betting on one person. There was no person that crossed over that line. Not the financial line, the black, the white line, the media line. We found a hero that was unbelievable. Then the commercials were perfect. I doubt if anybody else. Spike Lee, doesn't generate towards Michael Jordan the other guys like he would have done. He did Michael Jordan. All these things happen, like, right in a sequence, like it was a story already written and it's actually a fell part. None of these. None of these other companies would have done it. I mean, I don't believe. Did you know that Nike, Michael was going to get fined when he wore the black and red shoes and he was told that he couldn't. I knew that was a marketing ploy by Nike. No. Yeah. I knew it, you know, as quickly as. Anyway, except Rob and Peter, they. They've told me everything about it. And I. I was there when, you know, Rob said, we'll pay the fines. Yeah, that was. That was a kick him in the ass thing by Rob Strasser. He said, all right, we'll pay the dang thing, you know, the 5,000, whatever it was. And that to him and his personality said, we're not stopping, we're going all in. That's. We did that all in thing a few times that you didn't see in the movie. And, you know, Rob and Peter, you know, were the brains behind this. I was. I was the glue, maybe, whatever. Did you have the same feeling about LeBron that you did Michael when you first saw him? No, it was a whole different. I saw LeBron three years earlier than Michael. I knew him as a 15 year old. I watched him when I traveled to San Francisco to see him personally. When he invited. I was in his house as a youngster, not as a grown man in his 20s. So no LeBron. LeBron and Kobe were totally different in my approach. I knew them. Kobe's going back to his parents and LeBron going back to the origins. So I knew these two kids were pretty good. And in McGrady's, you only other one that I had a sense of feeling, you know, because now the kids are 17, 18 and 19. I've got to make a decision. Michael was still 22 or, you know, he was an older guy and played in the national championship. So he was a known commodity. These kids weren't. We're talking to Sonny Vaccaro, the new book Legends and Souls, available wherever you buy your books. And I want people to understand this. I've known you for a long time, over 40 years. Your best accomplishment is marrying Pam. But after that, you signed Michael, you signed Kobe, you nearly signed LeBron, but then what you did with Ed O'Bannon and taking on the NCAA is really your legacy and should be your legacy because you paved the way with the help of Ed O'Bannon, former UCLA. Great to allow players to get paid. You help usher in name, image and likeness, and not without a long fight. Then you should be commended that you went to bat for him and that Ed. Ed trusted you, that you would represent him correctly. So that. That is a. There's a lot of time devoted in the book and rightfully so, because that is a land landmark decision on your part. And because of that, I don't. I know you. I've known you a long, long time. You should be in the Basketball hall of Fame as a contributor. You should be. Dan should never did anything. You know, what am I going to tell you? I can't control. Okay, I would, I would love to. I, I'd like to go to work on it. I'd like to be able to just tell the, I'd like to remind people of contributions to the game, global impact. Coaches, coaches got paid. Players are now getting paid. High school kids, high school coaches like all of that. This is when Michael Jordan should step up and I'm being serious and write a letter to the Basketball hall of Fame saying that you should be in there. I appreciate what you're saying and what other people have said. You know, it's hard for the person you're talking about in the situation. You're humble, you don't have to say anything. But I, I'll leave it at that. I, I hope that there's some representation who can help you get in. Good to talk to you. Congrats on the book. Thank you, son. Thank you very much. And God bless you and the family. And I hope we have dinner and a good Italian dinner in New York. Sonny Vaccaro, Legends and Souls, the memoir of an American original. It's just released and available online wherever books are sold. Imagine all of these coaches and players, if they got together and signed a petition, what he meant for them. Change lives. I mean, Michael alone wrote a letter and just said sonny should be in the basketball, Basketball hall of Fame. Contributions to the game. He changed college basketball. He changed Nike. He changed the shoe business. Now you might say, you know, it's the seedy underworld. And, you know, all of that I, I've heard from people. Look, I love the man. I've known him for 40 years and his wife Pam. So when you think about contributions to the game, to the game of basketball, his name is front and center. Really is. All right, we'll take a break. Some phone calls. Coming up, the great actor Woody Harrelson. His new movie Last Breath comes out today. He'll join us coming up in about 45 minutes from now. We're back after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Hey, it's Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Covino and Rich on FOX Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. 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Peja 5 Dirk Ford. Peja is elite. I'm mad him. I left him off my list, but I still like my list. You won't believe who Steph left off his list. That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations. Yes, absolutely. Love it. Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters. When you have a scouting report and you're on the list as not just a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime you're wide open. Like you might as well just count that and get on back on defense. Listen to Go G O T e Greatest of their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Final hour to meet Friday Dan and the Danette's Dan Patrick show will check in with the Golden State warriors after the incredible performance by Steph Curry last night in Orlando and the great actor Woody Harrelson's new movie Last Breath. He will join us coming up as well. 8773 DP show email address dpanpatrick.com Twitter handle PShow Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock. Thank you for downloading the app. Our radio affiliates around the country, iHeartradio, Fox Sports Radio and it is a meat Friday I just went in, inspected the Traeger grills. The smoked baby back ribs look delish. Mac and cheese, coleslaw. Who has it better than we do? Make sure you go to danpatrick.com for a variety of reasons. If you're looking for a head cover for your driver. As we get ready for springtime with golf, we got one for you. Dan patrick.com Limited quantity stat of the day is always brought to you by Panini America. Official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show Steph Curry last night 56 points. He had 12 three pointers. He has made an NBA best 26 career games with 10 or more three pointers. That's more than the next five players combined. So that's Klay Thompson, Dame Lillard, James Harden, Zach Levine and J.R. smith. Stat of the day Stat of the day, Stat of the day. Stat of the day. Here comes that. What? Stat of the day. Steph also single handedly outscored the magic in the third quarter. 22:21. This was an oh by the way game and I was actually watching this then I realized Steph was on a heater. Zion Williamson went 27, 10 and 11. First career triple double. They beat the Suns. And I'm looking at the numbers here. He's having a good month. Sixteen games since January 1st. He's averaging 25 a game. He's averaging seven rebounds in five assists and he's shooting 60% from the floor. Man, if you could only give me that on a consistent basis. Can you give me 70 games a year where you're putting up those kind of numbers? Problem is can't stay healthy. But 16 games since January 1st. You know, there are a lot of storylines. The problem is, you know, the Detroit Pistons aren't going to get clicks, but they played really well and that's a big win. They beat the Boston Celtics. Now you got Denver coming into town tonight. I believe. You know, the, the Lakers are going to take the oxygen out of the room and I understand that. But there are some good basketball being there is good basketball being played and it's probably in places where you're not used to looking. And you know, I want Detroit to get credit. They're a playoff team right now. Houston, Houston is a dangerous team as well. You know, we tend to focus, we play the hits. I understand that sometimes you have to go a deeper cut on the album if you are aware what albums are. Yes, Marvin. And don't Forget Memphis is the 2 seat in the west. We talk about all these other teams in the west and Memphis is the two seat. That's a great point. And you know, we tend to focus on Memphis when it's something negative that has to do with John Morant. But they are a really good team. Anthony Edwards got his 16th technical, threw the ball in the stands, Minnesota lost to the Lakers. Like even in interviews he drops F bombs. I, I grant, you know, you're 23, but somebody needs to make sure you remind the 23 year old you don't have to act like a 23 year old and that, you know, Lakers got the win, but you know, Anthony Edwards, you get into the playoffs and you already got 16 technicals. Now we got a problem. Yeah, Paulie, you also don't want to build a rep and he might be too late on this where you start getting technicals when you're playing irrelevant games a couple of years from now. Like, remember Rasheed Wallace? He would get him and then that's it for the rest of his career. He couldn't even look at a ref on Draymond Green. Yeah, like the official is expecting, like you don't want them to be looking for it, you want them reacting to it, but they're human. Anthony Slater, senior writer covering Golden State warriors for the Athletic, he was there watching Steph Curry with the Magic last night. Was it a standing ovation from the crowd in the third quarter, Anthony? No, it actually got the loudest, I thought in the fourth for he hit the three straight threes. I think it helped that Orlando was kind of answering back at the time because that kind of usually whips the crowd into a frenzy a little bit, but it was like truly playoff level ending. Cheering when he hit it like entire arena, it felt like a home playoff game. Like on Steph made threes. It was, it was a little strange. When did you realize that Steph was maybe going to be on a heater? Probably when he hit the 50 footer, you know, in the half. Yeah. To give him 21, which, you know, they were like playing really poorly at the time. They're down 17. He hits the, the, you know, bomb with, you know, 1.5 seconds left. They're inbounding it under their own hoop to trail by 14. And it was weird. You saw the Magic like defeatedly walking into the locker room up 14. I was like, oh, that's, it's weird. It had that type of effect. And then he came out in the third and he was rest of all game. But the fact he hit that one, usually he comes out and tries to at least see if he's hot early in the third, and if he is, he really puts the pedal down and he did. Are you surprised at this point with anything that he does? No, not really. I mean, sometimes the age. Right. He's turning 37 next month, that part. But I guess, like, we shouldn't be surprised by anything in the NBA anymore. You know, what LeBron's doing at 40 with what Chris Paul still doing in the league, you know, at 40. Kevin Durant's Steph Curry's age. So clearly, like, age isn't quite what it was in the NBA. But the other thing about Steph being around him every day, I mean, the work he puts in, the conditioning, he keeps himself in that. Like, I don't leave the arena last night, like, oh, wow, what a special performance. It was like, oh, Steph got hot last night, you know, probably get hot again. I saw him score 60 in Atlanta last year. It was. To me, it's just bigger that he has the spirit to do it right now because he actually believes they're more of a contender than he did a couple weeks ago. Give me the difference between the Warriors a month ago and right now. Jimmy Butler, really. I mean, I know he didn't have a good game last night, but. But he brought an attitude to this team, a confidence level, a second scorer, a guy that gets to the free throw line. They're among the top teams in the league since he's arrived at, you know, shooting free throws. And historically, including this year, they're a bottom five team in free throws mid range. Defensively, they're turning teams over like crazy, and they're not turning it over, which is what Jimmy Butler does and what the warriors historically don't do. They turn it over too much. So he's just like, kind of changed the mechanics and the attitude of the team. And they're 7 and 1 since they got them. Prior to that, they were like 13 and 23 over their previous 36. They hadn't won three games in a row since November. Now they're on a five game winning streak. So it's really just him. Kevin Durant turned down the opportunity to go to Golden State. Is that a fair assessment of what didn't happen? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I can remember. So trade deadline week. So what's on Thursday? I'd say the previous Saturday to that, Steph Curry talked to Kevin Durant, kind of got the idea that he didn't want to come. And for whatever reason, both front offices, Phoenixes and the warriors kind of just plowed through the negotiations, despite Durant's desire not to be there. I didn't. I. From my understanding, the warriors front office ownership group kind of underestimated Durant's coldness towards it. And then by the end. By the end, when they needed to get, like, the final checkpoint, they had the conversation they needed to have and were like, oh, okay, he really doesn't want to come in. And again, I've said this before, but I think there was a lot of collective 2019 flashbacks. They were an awesome team in 2019, but Kevin Durant was not happy to be there the entire time. I don't think anybody wanted to relive just the energy of that. So. So they just canceled. It pivoted to Butler. And, you know, whatever you think about the difference between Butler and Durant as a player, Butler right now is, like, extremely happy to be on the warriors, and I think that's a big difference. A motivated superstar as opposed to a superstar who wouldn't want to be there. How threatening are the Warriors? Threatening? I think that's a good word, right? I'm not ready to say contender. Maybe we can call them fringe contenders. And I think that says more about the West. Under Oklahoma City, I don't think it's that strong, but we've seen Jimmy Butler, with a lower seed in the east playoffs, drag the heat to two finals. We've seen Steph Curry in 2022 without a real legitimate, you know, number two star next to him, take a Warrior scene. That was really just like kind of some is greater than the parts type team, so they tend a championship. So those two, despite, you know, Steph's 37, Butler's 35, Draymond 35, their three best players are that old. Like, that's what makes me doubt it still. But, like, we have seen these, I would say three guys in playoff settings really raise their game. So I wouldn't want to face them if I was the three seed. I'll leave you with this. What's been more impressive, what LeBron is doing or what Steph is doing? Oh, man. Probably. I would say just probably LeBron, literally, just because of the three extra years. You know, I don't know what Step's going to look like at 40. He doesn't know he'll be past this current contract, which feels like a long way away. So both obviously, you know, extremely impressive. I wouldn't want to downgrade the other, but. But LeBron at 40 is pretty unbelievable to me. I know you've had a busy schedule, Anthony thank you for making time. Yep. Thanks for having me. Anthony Slater, senior writer covering Golden State for the Athletic. Couple of phone calls in here. Noah in Indiana. Good morning, Noah. Thanks for holding. What's on your mind? This is Noah, Lebanon, Indiana. Hey, I've got a question for you in the Dan Ed. So I'm curious what you guys think about that Luca trade with the Mavericks. Thank you, Noah. Wait, Luca got traded? We forgot to get to that last. Yeah, you know, I've been spending too much time on the Tush push. I just didn't have time to talk about this Luca trade. But thank. Thank you, Noah. Thank you for reminding us of that. Let's see. Dave in San Antonio. Hi, Dave. How are you? Good. Guys, welcome back. We missed you a lot. I want to sing a stat of the day, but before I get to that, I want to tell you that my son loves this show. I got him hooked on it. You guys were out for a week. He was like, yo, where's Dan, Dad? I'm missing him today. We're in the car. We're listening to you. His favorite player, Steph. So you start talking about stuff and his handles, and you're like, he doesn't have the best handles. And my son goes, oh, what is Dan chatting about, man? He, Steph, has the best handles in the NBA. No, no, no, teacher, son. That. That's not true. It's Kyrie. Okay, Dan, that's all I wanted to tell you. Yes, yes, Seaton. He, Steph doesn't have the best handles in the NBA because that is Kyrie. But he's probably top. Yeah, maybe. Is it a different type of handle? Because his handle is about getting his own shot, not necessarily getting past a defender to the hole. So it's a different handle than Kyrie, Like Magic's handle? No, a six, nine. Running the break. But when we said handle. Get to the top of the key and get to yourself. Okay, but now you're defining what a handle is. It's in traffic. I think for the most part that we're talking about somebody's handle. Right? Yeah. So Kyrie and Steph are in the top five all time. And name any other three you want. Go ahead. Iverson's handle. Sure. Probably two. Right? Tim Hardaway's handle. Yep. Okay. Yeah. Just wanted to make sure I knew, you know, kind of what we were. How we were defining. Handle. Got you. Okay. Okay. Isaiah Thomas is up there. Isaiah, great hand. You know what, man? Jamal is up there, too. Jamal Crawford. Yep. Okay. Yep. Well, all of a sudden, it got a little more interesting there, Marvin. White chocolate Jason. Oh, definitely. Yep. That's a great handle. Great Pistol Pete. Yeah. Yep, yep. Great. I mean, that dude was born about 40 years too early. Oh, my God. Bob Cousy's handle. Of course. In 1961. Yes, he had the original handle. Right. Did they call it handle back then? No, they did not. They did because it was a hand. You just used the hand. One hand and it. Right. Marcus Haynes, Curly Neal. Globetrotters. Just saying. I mean, I don't know how deep we're going with this, Marvin. Bob in Portland. Those, by the way, those are all not people that are better than Steph's handle. Those are just people that are in the top 10 conversation. Okay. Top 10 conversation. Bob in Portland. Hi, Bob. What's on your mind? Hey, good morning, Dan. And Dan. That's five, six and a quarter, assuming down 185. Speaking of handling, I want to thank your phone answer because he asked me a couple of questions to handle me long enough to say. Okay, I'll put you on hold. I'll let you talk to Dan and the Danette. Yay. Happy Black History Month. Marvin, Dan, thank you for getting a brother on the. On the team. Appreciate you all the Danettes. And I'm just curious, if you go around the room, how many of you have visited the Muhammad Ali Museum in Louisville, Kentucky? So much basketball going on. If you're in Louisville, anybody, please go to the Muhammad Ali Museum. It'll be an experience and very affordable you will never ever regret. All right, well, thank you, Bob, Marvin, congratulations. It's the last day, but yeah, we made it. No Rooney rule on this show. Now you didn't even. I did not need a room. No, I enjoy very much. Oh, Dan. Dan went woke. Dan went woke. What are you talking about? I was in the back. I was 50ft away. We needed somebody to run the board and I had experience from the mothership. It's like Marvin's DEI hire. And I'm like, no, he's not. I was here, he was here. If any of the thing. The rest of us are de hires. You've been great, by the way. I have something. I have a project that I'm involved with with Muhammad Ali that I'll let you know. And it's could turn out to be something really, really great. So I'm working on something right now that has to do with Muhammad Ali. And once we get closer to completion with this, I'll let you know all about it. Let me see what. Let's get to Zach in Florida. Hi, Zach. What's on your mind today? Hey, Dan, quick question for you. It's 75, it's sunny in Southwest Florida, and it's always guitar music listening season down here. You had Stephen Wilson Jr. On, I think three weeks ago, a month ago. Love his stuff so much so I've been listening to him constantly. I need a following, couple of singers just like him to keep listening to on the golf course this afternoon. And finally, a follow up, shout out to Paulie, your biggest DI hire, fellow Southsider here and fellow Marian Catholic alum. So shout out, Paulie. All right. Thank you, Zach. I don't know if I have any new artist to tell you about this one. It was my brother who is aspiring songwriter, heard the song and said, this might be the best song you'll ever hear. And I was like, okay, that's dubious. I listened to the song, sent it to Seaton, Seaton listened to it five times in a row. And then all of a sudden I realized that he was going to be in Massachusetts, coming through, going to New York, and I said, let's reach out. And we got him in. He was on a show called the Print Shop, I believe is what it is. So I, I, they're the ones that had him on camera performing some of these songs. So shout out to them. Without them, I wouldn't have probably experienced Stephen Wilson Jr. You know who went to see him in Pittsburgh last Saturday? Mike Florio. Mike. No, no, Mike Florio. Justin Pro Football talk. Yeah. Glad to see him. That's good. Yep, yep. And Stephen Wilson Jr. Dedicated a song to me, according to Florio. Yeah, that's I am My Father's Son. Awesome. Yeah, yeah. Gave me a shout out. It wasn't there, but Florio said he gave me a shout out. All right, let me take a break. We'll come back. More phone calls. It's a meet Friday. Woody Harrelson. Woodrow and I will ask the question about the time that I got high with Woody Harrelson and Darius Rucker right after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app. Make some noise for the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry. We went live from All Star Weekend for a new podcast called Go Greatest of Their Era. And we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s. Peja 5. Dirk Ford. Peja is elite. Okay, okay. I'm mad him. I left him off my list But I still like my list. You won't believe who Steph left off his list. That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations. Yes, Absolutely. Love it. Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters. When you have a scouting report and you're on the list as not just a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime you're wide open. Like, you might as well just count that and get on back on defense. Listen to Goat G O T E greatest of their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Talk to Woody Harrelson. His new movie coming up. By the way, the character, if you're old enough to remember the show Cheers. The character's name is Woody. They didn't change the name of the character just because it's Woody Harrelson. He auditioned for it. They were going to give that role to somebody else, and I think at the last minute, they let him audition for it. And it just so happened the character's name is Woody and became Woody Harrelson, and that's his real name, Woodrow. Although if you were going to say to me back then, you know, that guy will be the most successful actor out of everybody who's in here. And he's been in. He's been nominated twice. People versus Larry Flint, I think, and the messenger. Who's our guy? Ben, who was in Fossil Foster. Ben Foster. Love that guy. Dang, that dude. He doesn't act enough. He's in the 310 to Yuma with. Great movie, Russell Crow. Is that Christian Bale? Yep. Dang, that one. He was also in the movie Alpha Dog with Timberlake and Emil H. Okay. A good flick. Yeah. But Woody's had a lot of roles and. And he's one of those guys that shows up in, like, you'll be like, hey, what'd you do last night? Oh, you know, Willie Nelson with Woody Harrelson. And you throw out somebody. Woody's always involved. Like, he's always. He's omnipresent. It feels like. I'd love to know what his Rolodex, his phone looks like with all the friends that he has. This feels like. And he lives in Hawaii, and. And I mentioned this about going to his brownstone in New York years ago. He lived in the West Village or be SoHo, I guess. And I brought that up to him in this conversation. We talked to Woody a couple of days ago, and he Grew up in Lebanon, Ohio. Not Lebanon, Ohio. Lebanon, Ohio. I grew up in Mason, so we're about eight miles apart. And he's, I think, five or six years younger than me. And I don't know if he played high school basketball or not. I think his bio says he played a little bit in college at Hanover College, which is a Division 3. But Woody Harrelson has a new movie, and it's called Last Breath. Got to watch it on Sunday. And just the opening scene, like, I. I would watch the opening scene again because it's a deep sea diver. So Woody plays a deep sea diver. And they're in Northern Ireland, they're in the North Sea. They go down. They're called. I think they're called, like, lubricating divers or saturation divers, something like that, where they go down for these power grids, and you have to do all this work. They're out at sea for 30 days. You have to decompress for four days when you come back in. And it. You know, it's. If this is based on a true story called Last Breath, but it's. It's about Woody and his crew, and one of his men gets stuck down there and goes without oxygen for 30 minutes. And I start out by asking Woody, that opening scene was pretty remarkable. And what was it that brought him to do this movie? Well, Paul Brooks, who I worked. He was the producer on Champions, this movie I did before, you know, he. He mentioned this to me and mentioned the documentary, which was on Netflix at the time. And so he said to watch it. And I watched it, and I said, oh, my God, this is. I'm in. I'm in 100%. I love it. He says, you want to read the script? I'm like, I don't need to read the script. I'm in. You know, because I was just so blown away by the story. Like, what an incredible story. If you. If you just heard about it and you didn't see it, you know, as I did in the documentary, you couldn't believe that it could happen, you know, So I was kind of mystified by the story, and I thought Alex Parkinson, you know, who had done the doc, did a tremendous job on the movie. But you have 30 minutes of time where he doesn't have any. He doesn't have any oxygen. Yeah, they do. And where he was, the depth of it and, you know, maybe the temperature prevented any damage. Doctors still haven't figured out why he didn't suffer irreparable harm. Yeah, I think it's it's one of those unexplainable. Like, you might just call it a miracle because. And I'm sure that the, The. The. The temperature factors, the how far below the surface, I mean, those all had something to do with it, but it's still inexplicable, you know, and you didn't have to get in the water, which is good for you, Right. Well, they do it in rotation. They have three sat divers. And. And so at that. Just at that time, I was in the Bell, which is that little tiny tin can that comes down from the ship. You don't get claustrophobic, do you? Well, I don't get claustrophobic so much as I. If there's no windows open in a room, that can start to bother me. Yeah. Or like a car. That kind of claustrophobia when you take away a movie like this. Like, I don't know, what if you search for roles? Like, what is new that you're. You want? Like, are you at that point in your career where you go, I haven't done that? Or like, how does that work? Well, there was certain, certainly novelty to this project and this character. And, you know, it was night. Nice to meet the actual Duncan. And I thought. And. And I got to meet also Dave. I didn't get to meet Chris, who's the. The person who all this really happened to, but I felt also about him that all of these guys are kind of philosophical and. And pretty Zen, which, you know, so they have a real powerful presence, you know. But Dunk's funny. Very funny. He's Woody Harrelson. And the movie is called Last Breath and hits theaters coming up Friday, February 28th. When's the last time you picked up a basketball? Been a few months. Yeah, I played a little while back. I played with Adam Sandler in Where were We Forget. I think we were in la. Oh, no, we were in Maui. Anyway, he always gets together. Wherever he is, he gets a game going. Yeah. How was your game compared to his? He's pretty good, actually. And he's a baller. But I like to think we one time played one on one for. It was a long, long game because it was very defensive and. And it just went on and on and on. And by the end of it, you know, it was like tied 13 to 13 or something because you needed to win by two. And it was finally like. I forget which one of us said it, like, do you want to stop? And the other was just so grateful. We gotta stop this. Exhausted. It was like a ceasefire. I Think is probably what it was. It was a ceasefire is what it was. Yeah. Can. Can we bring up the story when I visited your house in. In the Village with Darius Rucker? Sure. Do you remember that I came with Darius Rucker one night to your place? Of course. You don't remember. Do. I don't remember anything. Okay. I literally have no recollection of anything. Okay, now we'll hold it. Well, this was in the Village, so this must have been about 15 years ago. Yeah, I think it was King Street. Does that sound right? Yeah. Okay. So Darius is recording in New York, and he said, it's late at night. He goes, hey, do you want to go to Woody's? Well, I don't know who Woody. I think it's a bar. So we get in the car, all of a sudden, we pull up to a brownstone. We walk up to the door. You answer, and I go, oh, Woody's. So we proceeded to go into your kitchen, and you had some pot, and Darius fell off the kitchen chair after three hits. I. I say to you at one point, can you get us something better than this ragweed? Okay, so the. The look on your face was like, is he. He's. You look at Darius, you're like, is he serious? And I'm. I'm actually holding on to the chair so I don't fall off. You kept getting Tupperware, and the pot kept getting, like, lighter green, like lime. Like you were going to. You. You went upstairs. I think at one point, you're like, all right, okay. And so you brought in reinforcements there, and I. I. It might have been just another day of the week for you, but I. I got roughed up. I got. But I didn't fall off my chair. I went toe to toe with you. Whether you knew that I was going toe to toe with you. I kept up in the ante, and you just. You just stayed with it, right? When I said ragweed, the look on your face was like, you wanted to. You were competitive, you were insulted, and you brought out pot that. It looked like antifreeze. Color of antifreeze. And I'm like, I'm in trouble here, man. I'm in trouble. Do you get, like, does it still hit you the way, like, it crushed me. It knocked Darius off the chair. But is it like, you're okay, you and Woody Willie Nelson, or like, this is fine. I don't want to smoke Willie's weed, but I, you know, I like a sativa. Like a calmer. I don't want to smoke one Hit and have to, like, you know, you know, rest. So. No, I. I would much rather have something that you can share and it's lighter. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. On that occasion, it might have been a stronger dealio, but now I try to stay with the. The Sativa Outdoor organic. I. I should do that, too. The. The Five Time Club with snl. How proud of you of that accomplishment. Ah, that might be my best accomplishment, but, no, it's really a cool experience, and I'm looking forward to number six. You know, Lauren just keeps on going. Probably keep doing it another 50 years. What. But what's the first one like? What's the first what? When you hosted the first one, I was, you know, very nervous. When you're standing off stage waiting for the light to turn red and going out for your monologue, it is nerve wracking. I mean, when you, of course, you know, it's live and you don't get another take, it's. It's. It's exciting. And also the. The other members of the Five Time Club coming out to congratulate you. Steve Martin and Tom Hanks. Yeah. Good company. Cool. Yeah. Well, good luck with the movie. It's Friday, February 28th, based on a true story. It's called Last Breath. Woody, good to talk to you again. Thank you. Yeah. Good talking with you. See you in the kitchen. No, I'm not going to insult your weed ever again. That was a big mistake. But. But Darius and I still laugh about that. The fact that you literally, you knocked a guy off of a chair because of how strong your pot was. That's. Yeah, that's just. That's. He's no lightweight either, so. No, he's not. No, he's not. Thank you again. Good luck. All right. Yeah. Take care. Twitty Harrelson, the movie Last Breath in theaters today. He didn't remember that I was in his kitchen smoking pot with him. And Darius Rucker, very polite of him, though. He was. Yes. Paulie, to be fair to you, that seemed like a really normal Tuesday afternoon for Woody Harrelson, having a couple famous dudes pop by his place to smoke up a little bit and move on with their day. Yeah, I've never seen pot that color of green. Like, you know, when somebody gets slimed, you know, it's that lime green. And it felt like every time I insulted his pot, he went upstairs to get another thing of Tupperware and then he'd bring it back down like he was competitive. And I don't smoke pot. Not interested in it. But Darius, we went there. I didn't know what we were doing. When Darius goes, let's go to Woody's. I don't know. Is Woody's a bar? We show up, knock on the door, Woody is there. I go, oh, this is Woody's. And then next thing you know, we go right into the kitchen. Hendricks is playing really loud. We go in the kitchen, and he has a joint. Darius, swear to God, he falls off the chair after about 30 seconds, maybe 60 seconds, and he can't get up off the floor. And I'm yelling at him, and he's just laughing. He cannot get up. And I kept going, man, this is ragweed. You got anything better than this? And Darius, you know how that laughter is when I would say that, you know, and then. Yes. And he'd go upstairs. He went up three times. I'm. I'm holding onto the chair with my right hand because I don't want to end up on the floor with Darius. I don't even know how I got out. I don't know. I don't remember anything from the kitchen to getting outside to going. Going home. Yes. Marvin, did Woody bring down the weed that only has the name of, like, side effects or, like, sound noise? Like, noises like, oh, what is this? It's that. No, no, there was no, like, the purple Kush or any. Like, it was just. It was green and. And one batch looked like it was. What do you put in your battery? Antifreeze. Antifreeze, yes. It sounds like you're describing somebody leveling up hot sauces. You know, like, if you ever watch that show and you're like, all right, here comes, you know, the crucifier. You're like, oh, no, this is going to be really hot. This one came in a coffin. You're right. I think we went through five joints. And just because now I'm competitive, and I'm going to compete with a guy who. This is. 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