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11/3/25: Zohran Mamdani on the show as Trump starving 42 million, Obama drops hammer
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David Pakman
Donald Trump has cut food assistance for 42 million Americans. A federal judge says it's illegal and the payments must go out. But does the White House even care? Barack Obama's out there hammering maga and Donald Trump is melting down about it. And I will be joined today by New York City mayoral candidate Zoran Mamdani. We will Also check out 60 minutes doing with a new Trump interview and exactly what Trump sued them for doing with a Kamala Harris interview. And is JD Vance's Hindu Indian wife becoming a liability for him? With the Turning Point MAGA crowd, I think the answer is clearly yes. We are also doing something this month we've never done before because there are people hungry right now. For every new website and new Spirit substack paid subscription this month, we are donating the entire first payment to Feeding America. 98% of donations to them go right into feeding people. Every dollar funds 10 meals. So one monthly membership funds 60 meals. A yearly membership funds hundreds. That's for every new membership@join pacman.com or on the substack to Trump has $6 billion he could use to feed families. He's choosing not to. So we're going to try to help. Let's get into today's show. 42 million Americans woke up on November 1st with food assistance gone. There are 16 million kids in that 42 million. There are 8 million senior citizens. There are 4 million people with disabilities. Trump had the money to feed them. Six billion sitting there approved by Congress specifically for emergencies like this. And Trump is saying he doesn't want to use it. Food stamps is the program that helps low income families buy groceries. The average benefit is about $6 per person per day. That's $2 dollars per meal. These are not lavish government handouts. This is a parent being able to buy milk and bread for their kids. It's one of the most economically stimulative forms of government spending there is. It wouldn't even be necessary if a lot of companies actually paid a living wage. Remember, most people on food stamps work. And on November 1, Trump's administration turned it off. Now, you might be asking, can he even do that? And the answer is, according to two federal judges, no, he can't. Judge John J. McConnell Jr. In Rhode island said the Trump administration has to use that emergency funding. They've got to send the benefits out. He says if you don't, it's irreparable harm. But what is wild is that the Justice Department lawyer argued in court, SNAP did not exist anymore because there were no Congressionally appropriated funds, except there are funds there. $6 billion. It's been set aside for Congress. It's legally required to be used in exactly these situations, and Trump just doesn't want to use it. Now Judge McConnell says these families are experiencing terror. They don't know if they'll be able to feed their children. And we have the United States of America in 2025 with people afraid of, I might not have money to feed my kids. This is not the first time Trump has gone after food assistance. You might remember $187 billion were cut from SNAP in his big, beautiful bill. That's the largest cut in the program's history. We heard from Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins. She says the SNAP freeze is really a silver lining because it shows how bloated the program is. 16 million kids who depend on food stamps so they can eat breakfast before school or have a sandwich for lunch or don't go to bed hungry. Eight million senior citizens, four million with disabilities. And she says this, there's a silver lining here. The program is bloated. Now. Trump is being directed to disperse the payments. As of this moment, it hasn't happened. But this is the theme. Trump shuts down the government. Congress can't function. Trump uses the chaos to do whatever he wants. Can't get Congress to cut snap. Shut down the government and cut it anyway. Can't get Congress to approve military action. Shut down the government. Tell the Pentagon it's time to prepare for war, maybe with Nigeria. So the shutdown is really a feature, not a bug. Now, while all of this is happening, Trump spending crime, crazy money on things that he wants. Kristi Noem is getting private jets for her department. The White House is getting demolished, but feeding hungry children can't find the money for it. Now, we can sit here and talk about how outrageous this is, and we can share this video and we can be angry about it, and we should. But people are hungry right now, so I am going to try to do something about it. We've never done anything like this before. I was thinking about when my family moved to the United States when I was 5 because of the disastrous economic situation in Argentina. And I think now, as a parent, what it would be like to have to move today. If I found myself in such a situation, I want to try to do something about it and about what's going on and people who are now experiencing food insecurity. I know many of you also want to help because you've emailed me about it. Maybe the most powerful thing about the show is the community, the people in the audience and what we can do together. Now, obviously, I can go and get cans for my local food pantry and in fact, I'm part of a, of a men's group and we are doing that at the local level. But thinking that we have this audience, and I know many of you either might want to do something for those struggling with food insecurity or you might be struggling with food insecurity yourself. What about doing something ourselves? So I've identified a charity, Feeding America, that we want to support. This is a phenomenal charity. 98% of all funds donated go to actually feeding people. 2% goes to overhead. Okay. For November, for every new website membership@join pacman.com and every new substack paid subscription, we are donating the entire first payment to Feeding America. So if you get a monthly membership, your first month's payment will go to Feeding America. If you get a yearly membership, the entire year payment is going to go to Feeding America. I think this is an incredibly good value as far as a charity goes. For every dollar they get, they are funding 10 meals. So what that means is if you get a monthly membership, you are funding 60 meals. If you get a yearly membership, you are funding 600 meals. Trump has 6 billion that he could use to feed 42 million Americans. He's choosing not to. Federal judges are saying it's illegal. Families are terrified. And so while we fight to hold him accountable, people need to eat. So we're going to try to do something about it each day. I will keep you posted on the number of new memberships, the dollar amount in donations that that is generating, and the number of meals that that is now going to fund. Join pacman.com substack.david pakman.com if you already have a website membership, consider getting a substack. If you've got substack, consider getting website. I don't know what are we going to end up donating? Donating $1,000, $10,000 more? I have no idea. But we are going to try to do it. Donald Trump is partying with billionaires again in a gaudy Gilded age style Halloween party while we look around and 42 million people's SNAP benefits are in question and people are being snatched off the streets. And you look at the scene at Donald Trump's Mar a Lago on Halloween and you see gold everywhere. Smoke machines, bottle girls. And it looks like the Hunger Games capital threw up on itself at Donald Trump's Halloween party. And the immigration raids are Continuing. And people are getting ripped off the streets and food stamps are in question and families are getting crushed and we're seeing job losses regularly. Farmers are in crisis. Remember how I told you that money can't buy class? And Donald Trump really is the embodiment of that. Well, here is a woman in a massive martini glass. Or I guess it's not. I guess it's not a martini glass. I'm not exactly up on my stemware at this point in time at this party. Here is a video at the party of. Again, it's like a woman dancing in a drink glass. Yeah, We've got a sort of Gilded age recreation happening at Mar a Lago as food stamps are getting cut. Look at this. Yeah. And then here are more dancers at Trump's party. All right, now listen, I'm not naive, okay? I know that there are always people struggling and there are always people doing well. It's sort of like, you know, did you just throw out your leftover quesadilla? Because there are people starving in Africa. Right. But that's not what this is. I know there are people struggling and rich people doing well and flying around on private jets and yachts and having huge parties. Oh, the gas for your private jet could have ended hunger for 1 00,000 people. This is not a random rich guy, OK? This is the President of the United States who ran on fixing things for the average person, claiming that he understands what the average person is suffering through better than anybody else. And yet this is where we are. So this is why, as I said earlier, we're going to try to make the biggest possible donation to the charity Feeding America, where first payments for all website and substack memberships this month will go to Feeding America. We're going to try to do something about it, but we can't do nearly enough as what the federal government is now hindering and the imagery of the centimillionaire and billionaire class partying in this way at the President's house. And this is. I know that I could show you video from Monaco and from nice and from St. Barth's okay? And it would be opulence beyond belief. But at the same time, this is the United States and it is not even a random billionaire. It's the billionaire who is saying, we're going to cut food stamp benefits, we're going to tariff everything and crush farmers and manufacturers and so on. This is not a random guy and it is disgusting. JD Vance has a problem, and that problem is that his wife is Hindu and his wife is Indian. Now, I want to be clear. That is not a problem for me. This is a problem for J.D. vance and increasingly for his 2028 chances because of the monster that MAGA has created. Let me explain. I don't want this to be a J.D. vance, Erica Kirk gossip story. If you haven't heard about this over the last few days, there's been growing kind of gossip that maybe J.D. vance and Charlie Kirk's widow, Erica Kirk, are involved in an affair. A lot of this has been inspired by when Erica Kirk recently introduced J.D. vance at a Turning Point event. They sort of seemed handsy. She ran her hands through his hair. He embraced her in what some said this is more than just a platonic way. She's wearing leather pants. You know, every detail is being analyzed. And on top of this, JD Vance has recently been talking about he would love it if his Indian Hindu wife, Usha Vance, embraced Christianity more. Maybe she would even consider converting to Christianity. So there is a real story here, but it's about whether JD Vance could win in 2028 with a wife that is Indian and Hindu. We could spend time talking about how Erica Kirk is did seem handsy with JD but that's not the point of this story. And we could talk about how Erica Kirk certainly hasn't seemed like the heartbroken, grieving widow. But everybody experiences grief differently, and I'm not really interested in that. We could speculate about whether Erica Kirk and J.D. vance are already having an affair or whether an affair is imminent, but that's not really a political story for me. The story has to start with what we know. And what we know is that the Turning Point MAGA base already confronted Vivek Ramaswamy, now running for governor, Ohio, because he's Hindu and not Christian. Remember this? Just a great example of the monster you helped build turning against you here. Like Charlie Kirk disciples saying, wait a second, you're not Christian. That's a problem.
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MAGA Supporter
Jesus Christ is God and there is no other God. He's part of the Holy Trinity and any other God. God is a demon and it's false. How can you represent the constituents of Ohio who are 64 Christian if you are not a part of that faith? If you are an Indian, a Hindu, coming from a different culture, different religion than those who founded this country, those who grew this country, built this country, made this country the beautiful thing that it is today. What are you conserving? You are bringing change. I'll be 100 honest with you. Christianity is the one truth.
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David Pakman
Christian voices should be the main voice of America. And I want to know basically why you seem to be, and I don't mean to be horribly offensive, but why you seem to be masquerading as a.
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MAGA Supporter
Christian familiar with the.
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David Pakman
All right, so you get the point, right? Being Hindu is becoming a problem with the future Republican voting base for Vivek Ramaswamy. And I believe that it is going to become a problem for J.D. vance as well. If you like this type of analysis, make sure you've liked this video and please do hit the subscribe button. So we know that for J.D. vance's 2028 aspirations, if he has them, and reports are that he does, that he is going to need to explain his Hindu wife to Maga and that could be a real problem for him. It even sort of seems like JD Vance realizes it because he's talking more than ever about, I would love my wife to embrace Christianity, maybe she should even convert. Now you might say, wait a second, David, Melania Trump is from another country and the United States still voted for Trump. They didn't care that Melania is from another country. And I would say to you, hold on a second. Usha Vance isn't from another country. That's not the issue. She was born in California. Melania is white. Usha Vance is not. Melania is at least nominally Christian. Usha Vance is not. In fact, the Melania story is funny for a different reason. Melania came to the United States and worked in the US before having a work visa. She was here working without permission. That's an immigration violation. But MAGA voters don't care about that. Those rules are, you know, they're not for people like Melania. They're for other people. Melania Trump received a visa for something called extraordinary ability. Some people call it the Einstein visa. That doesn't sound appropriate. But MAGA looks away anyway. Melania's parents got citizenship through the same so called chain migration that Donald Trump has attacked. But come on, it's Melania. Maga looks away, they forgive. But Usha Vance has brown skin and she's Hindu, not Christian. And so even though Usha Vance is a native born American, Maga is going to have a problem with her that I don't think they're going to ignore because they're not ignoring it with Vivek Ramaswamy. And I believe that means she has become or would become a problem for JD in 2028. What do you think? Leave me a comment. Send me an email info at David Pakman Dotcom. Sometimes the best snacks are the ones that have been around for a long time. You don't have to reinvent the wheel to get a great snack and that is what our sponsor Masa is aiming for with their delicious tortilla chips that are made the traditional way. You know I love this stuff. OK, Masa makes their chips with three ingredients, organic nixtamalized corn, Redmond real sea salt and 100% grass fed beef tallow. The chip is sturdy. I don't want a weak chip that crumbles when I try to dip into the guacamole. I need a sturdy chip and that is exactly what Masas tortilla chips do. They also are using non industrial oils which pushes the industry away from some of this unsustainable mono cropping. I also love that. If you are ready to try the most delicious tortilla chips you've ever had, which are sustainably Produced, go to masachips.com/pacman and use the code PACMAN for 25% off your first order. The link is in the description. One of my close friends has a cat that I actually really like. I take a lot of heat for not being a cat guy, but this particular cat I really like. But this cat is a very picky cat when it comes to mealtime, I will admit. Turns up her nose to a lot of the store bought stuff. Then my friend tried our sponsor Smalls and the problem was gone. They even did a little test. Old food in one bowl, Smalls in the other. The cat went right for the Smalls. No hesitation, no delay. The first time that she saw her cat get excited about mealtime in a long time. This cat is picky folks. This cat is picky. This is because Smalls is real food for cats. It's protein packed recipes, real ingredients you would actually recognize from your own fridge. No preservatives, no artificial fillers, nothing mysterious. Just fresh premium meals for cats delivered right to your door on whatever schedule makes sense for you. That is why cats.com has named smalls the best overall cat food. Forbes happens to agree. Give your cat the food they deserve. For a limited time, get 60% off your first order plus free shipping when you go to smalls.com/pacman. The link is in the description. Well this is a huge deal. Donald Trump's Treasury Secretary Scott Besant admitted on live TV that there are sectors of the American economy already in a recession. This is the guy who is supposed to always say if you're Trump, everything's good. Strongest economy ever. It's awesome. But that is not what Scott Bessant said. He says we are in a transition period, in good shape, but there is a recession happening right now in sectors of the economy. Take a listen to this.
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Interviewer
This week, the Fed voted to lower interest rates another quarter of a point to its lowest level in three years. However, the central bank's newest official, Stephen Myron, is warning that if the Fed doesn't continue to lower interest rates rapidly, the US could face a recession. Do you agree that the US Is at risk of facing a recession?
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Scott Bessant
I believe that we are in a transition period here. As we are seeing, the Trump administration has cut back on government spending. Jake. What has gone unnoticed during the shutdown is for the fiscal year that in September 30, the government spent less than it did the year before. And because the GDP grew, the GDP which had been 6.4, the deficit to GDP which had been 6.4, 6.5% deficit, the highest when we weren't at war, weren't in a recession ever, we were able to bring it down to 5.9%. So we are bringing down government spending. And I would think, think that the Fed would want to assist with that. Because if we go back and look, MIT just published a study that said 42% of the great inflation of 2022 came from excess government spending. So if we are contracting spending, then I would think inflation would be dropping. Inflation is dropping. Then the Fed should be cutting rates.
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Interviewer
But do you think that the US Is at risk of a recession if the Fed does not not continue to drop rates?
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Scott Bessant
I think that we are in good shape, but I think that there are sectors of the economy that are in recession, and the Fed has caused a lot of distributional problems with their policies.
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David Pakman
So Besant is saying it's definitely not Trump's fault. It's the Fed, it's other people. But there are sectors of the economy right now that are in a recession. Now, if it's not obvious why, it's huge for the guy who's supposed to be saying everything's perfect to acknowledge that there's a partial recession right now. This is the first time, to my knowledge, that anyone in Trump's administration has admitted there's any part of the economy currently in a recession. They've been saying everything's great, best economy ever, and now their own guy is saying, well, part of the economy is in a recession right now. Secondly, what the hell does that even mean, part sectors of the economy are in a recession? It's kind of a fancy way of Saying, I am not going to call it a full recession, but in a lot of areas, things are bad. It's like saying, listen, the ship isn't sinking. There are parts of it that are flooded and are lowering into the ocean. But to say the sip is shin the this ship is sinking is not something we can say right now. Third, and this should really worry everybody. When parts of the economy are in a recession, it usually spreads. Things are connected. Manufacturing connects to retail, retail hits services. I mean, this is how you get to a full recession. And if I'm honest, even though Besson is never full, you know, the tell the truth, the whole truth. We never get the whole truth from Bessant, but at least he's acknowledging that people are feeling this. Americans know things are tight. They see the grocery bills which were supposed to come down, but they haven't. They see their rent. They see what's going on with jobs. So when an official finally admits parts of the economy are in a recession, at least it's a little bit more honest than they usually are. The problem is it contradicts every damn thing that Donald Trump has been saying. Trump has been saying, greatest economy in American history. He just said, we've turned things around completely. Jobs are booming like never before. Treasury secretary goes, we're in a partial recession right now. So is the economy the best ever or are parts of it in a recession? It can't. Both can't be true. And of course, if what people said mattered to voters, this would be a huge credibility problem. When Trump now says everything's great, his own treasury guy said, there's a partial recession right now. Now, what does it mean for you? I would be prepared, you know, when the treasury secretary is willing to admit some sectors are in a recession on live tv, the real picture is probably worse. You know, these are people who downplay bad news when it's their guy in charge. If you've been thinking about a big purchase or changing jobs, do you wait again, when parts of the economy struggle, it can spread pretty quickly. And do not trust the White House spin. Normally, I would say trust the agencies, but Trump has gotten rid of some of them, too. We're not getting jobs reports now because Trump didn't like the last official jobs report, he fired the commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics. But the point here is that this admission alone changes a lot. We've been debating, could there be a recession someday in the future? We are now in a partial recession, according to Trump's own Treasury secretary. So we'll be Watching all of the indicators closely, this feels like it's only the beginning of whatever this is. Donald Trump was interviewed on 60 Minutes, and it was an absolute disaster. This is why interviews for Trump in this format are a really bad idea. Trump brought printouts to his 60 Minutes interview with a list of wars that he ended. You've got to see this president.
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Norah O'Donnell
So why won't end this war?
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Donald Trump
But, Nora, that was Joe Biden's war, not my war. I inherited that stupid war as the.
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Norah O'Donnell
Bloodiest land war in Europe since World War II continues.
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Donald Trump
But I brought, I mean, just a little list of this war.
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Norah O'Donnell
President Trump wanted to make sure we saw the list of eight international conflicts he says he's been able to end.
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David Pakman
Now, if you look at this list, there are some real questions about this entire thing. You know, Trump includes Kosovo and Serbia. Who was president when Serb forces left Kosovo in 1999? Trump lists Egypt and Ethiopia. When was the last shot fired there? What about, you know, he lists, it's just a Pakistan and India. Why does India say there was no American involvement whatsoever there? This is a ridiculous list.
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Norah O'Donnell
Since returning to office and you have branded yourself the peace president.
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Donald Trump
Well, I think I did pretty good. I solved. Those are eight of the nine wars I solved. You know how I solved them? I said, in many cases, in 60%, I said, if you don't stop fighting, I'm putting tariffs on both of your countries and you're not going to be able to do business.
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Norah O'Donnell
Why isn't that working with Putin?
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David Pakman
It is not lost on me that Trump's eyes are almost completely swollen shut again. It's just not part of this interview. Trump pulling papers out, that's how you know it's not going well. This was an incredible moment. Norah o' Donnell asks Trump, why did you pardon Changpeng Zhao? Trump goes, I have no idea who you're talking about. She fills in some details. Trump goes, I don't know a thing about what you're talking about. This is what Trump said Biden was doing. Trump said Biden was issuing pardons without knowing what was going on because someone stuck a paper in front of him. Trump is admitting that's what he is doing.
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Norah O'Donnell
This year, the president has pardoned or shortened the sentences of more than 1600 people. The latest pardon was for a cryptocurrency tycoon who is known as cz. The company CZ founded, Binance, helped boost the profile of the Trump family's crypto firm, World Liberty Financial. He pled guilty in 2023. To violating anti money laundering laws.
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Barack Obama
Right.
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Norah O'Donnell
The government at the time said that CZ had ca significant harm to US national security essentially by allowing terrorist groups like Hamas to move millions of dollars around. Why did you pardon him?
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Donald Trump
Okay, are you ready? I don't know who he is. I know he got a four month sentence or something like that and I heard it was a Biden witch Hunt.
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Norah O'Donnell
In 2025, his crypto exchange Binance helped facilitate a $2 billion purchase of World Liberty Financials stablecoin. And then you pardoned CZ. How do you address the appearance of pay for play?
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Donald Trump
Well, here's the thing. I know nothing about it because I'm too busy doing the other.
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Norah O'Donnell
But he got.
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David Pakman
Oh my God. We were told that Biden's pardons must be reversed either because of the auto pen or because Biden didn't really know what he was doing. Someone just told them to do it. And Trump is going, don't know who he is, don't know a thing about it. Someone told me it was a Biden thing and so I signed the pardon. Trump is admitting he's signing pardons for situations he doesn't know anything about, for people he has never heard of. Shouldn't they all be invalid by Trump's own logic about Biden? This is a disastrous interview. Trump was asked about the whole third term thing. Now he's already said, it's clear I can't do it. Here is how Donald Trump answered the question this time.
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Norah O'Donnell
There's been a lot of talk about 2028 and who will be at the top of the Republican ticket. Can you set the record straight? You're not going to try and run for a third term?
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Donald Trump
Well, I don't even think about it. I will tell you, a lot of people want me to run, but the difference between us and the Democrats is we really do have a strong bench. I don't want to use names because it's, you know, inappropriate, but it's too early.
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Norah O'Donnell
People do like when you start talking about whether you like J.D. vance or Secretary.
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Donald Trump
I do like J.D. vance. I like Marco Rubio. I like. I like so many. We have an unbelievable bench.
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Norah O'Donnell
Mr. President, can I also ask you, we're now at the end of your first year of this second term. What do you hope to accomplish in the next three years?
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Donald Trump
Well, I hope I can have the same year that we had. Look, we have been acknowledged to have the greatest nine months. You know it's nine months.
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David Pakman
Yeah. Nobody is acknowledging that. So listen, I still, I don't Think he's going to try to run. He already said the other day, it's pretty clear I can't do it. I will also acknowledge a lot of dictators started with everybody wants me to stay in power, therefore. But I don't think Trump is actually going to try to run. Trump was asked about Zoran Mamdani, who by the way, will join us in a moment. And he said, I'm better looking than Zoran.
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Norah O'Donnell
Ok. With state and local elections coming up Tuesday, we asked the president about the highly anticipated mayoral race that includes former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and Zoran Mandani. Zorhan Mandani, 34 year old Democratic Socialist he's the communist.
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Donald Trump
Not socialist, communist. He's far, he's far worse than a socialist.
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Norah O'Donnell
Some people have compared him to a left wing version of you, charismatic, breaking the old rules. What do you think about that?
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Donald Trump
Well, I think I'm a much better looking person than him. Right.
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Norah O'Donnell
With state and local elections coming up.
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David Pakman
Oh boy. This is, you know, we're going to talk to Zoran about Trump sending federal troops to New York if, if, if Zoran ends up winning. But much like with Obama, I think part of the problem Trump has with Zoran is he recognizes that Zoran is more articulate and better looking. I mean, it's a crazy thing, but I think that that's, Trump is always talking about his greatest insecurities. Trump was asked about the deportation not of violent criminals, but of landscapers and nannies. And here is how he answered that question.
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Norah O'Donnell
More recently, Americans have been watching videos of ice tackling a young mother, tear gas being used in a Chicago residential neighborhood and the smashing of car windows. Have some of these raids gone too far?
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Donald Trump
No, I think they haven't gone far enough because we've been held back by the, by the judges, by the liberal judges that were put in by Biden and by Obama.
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David Pakman
We haven't gone far enough.
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Norah O'Donnell
Okay. With those tactics.
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Donald Trump
Yeah, because you have to get the people out. You know, you have to look at the people. Many of them are murderers. Many of them are people that were thrown out of their countries because they were, you know, criminals.
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Norah O'Donnell
Well, you promised in your campaign that you were going to deport the worst of the worst. Violent criminals, rapists.
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Donald Trump
Well, that's what we're doing.
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Norah O'Donnell
But a lot of the people that your administration has arrested and deported aren't violent criminals. Landscapers, nannies, construction workers, farm workers. Now look, look, the family of uncle.
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David Pakman
Landscapers who are criminals, Trump says, except that's not True. In a lot of cases, it turns out the number of criminal illegals, to use Trump's term, is a lot smaller than we were led to believe. And it's important. This is not a matter of opinion. This is a matter of the law. Immigration infractions are civil infractions. Obviously, if you're here undocumented and you commit a violent crime, that's a new crime and it's against the law, no matter your legal status. But just being here undocumented, it's not allowed. I'm not denying that, but it is a civil infraction. At the end of the day, is Trump planning some kind of regime change in Venezuela? I don't know. But he does say that Maduro's days are numbered.
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Norah O'Donnell
Are Maduro's days as president numbered?
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Donald Trump
I would say, yeah, I think so.
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David Pakman
Yeah.
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Norah O'Donnell
And this issue of potential land strikes in Venezuela, is that true?
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Donald Trump
I don't tell you that. I mean, I'm not saying it's true or untrue, but I, you know, I wouldn't. Why would I be inclined to say that I would do that, but. Because I don't talk to a reporter about whether or not I'm going to strike.
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David Pakman
Right. But certainly he would be willing to do it. Now, one of the things that is maybe the biggest piece of news from this interview is that I've only been able to show you clips from what aired. But there was much more to this interview that was cut and we have to talk about that. This is really awkward for Trump. Trump once sued CBS for editing a 60 Minutes interview. You might remember this routine, OK, they edited Kamala's interview to make her look better. Well, it turns out that CBS just did it again, except this time they did it for Donald Trump. Now, I'm being sort of tongue in cheek here because 60 Minutes edits interviews. That's the show they don't run. They interviewed Trump for 90 minutes. Norah O' Donnell did. We looked at clips. They don't run the 90 minute interview. They take a long conversation. They cut it. They had a version for TV, they had a version for online. 60 Minutes edits interviews. And that's how it works. However, the stuff that was cut, some of it cut from the TV version and left only in the online one. Some of it just cut altogether is stuff that makes Trump look really bad. I'll give you an example. There was a moment where the topic of Putin and Ukraine came up. And in answering that, Trump said about the 2020 election, then the election was rigged and Stolen. This is just one example, but we have to show it through examples. If we are saying, does this make Trump look crazier or less crazy? Well, continuing to insist that he won in 2020 makes him look crazier. CBS, by removing that is laundering Trump's image. He seems less nuts. Now, if we are using Trump's own legal standard for what counts as fraud by a news outlet, CBS just committed a major act of fraud by hiding Trump's answers. So is Trump going to sue CBS again, this time for censoring him? No, of course not. Because Trump only cares when the edits make him look bad or make his opponents look better. These are edits that saved Trump from making him look worse. Now, I want to be clear. This isn't really a scandal. This is me pointing out the irony. The guy who screams about 60 minutes editing things to change the perception of the interviewee is now the beneficiary of the type of editing he said is an attack on democracy, election interference, and worthy of a lawsuit. Now, there's another layer here. Trump actually loves edited interviews when they help him. He has spent years giving friendly sit downs to Newsmax on Tucker Hannity and many of these different shows trim and cut. In fact, my mind goes to this interview that Trump did with Fox News. It's the same interview, Fox and Friends, I think it was. It's the same infamous interview where they go, you're going to release the JFK files? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're going to release the MLK files? Absolutely. You're going to release the Epstein files. He goes, yeah, well, that one's a little bit different. We did an analysis of that interview at the time and you can tell from how it's cut that a bunch of stuff of Trump speaking has been removed, presumably things that would have made him look more unhinged. From the standpoint of 60 minutes, I would argue it's also not great journalism because cutting the deranged the election was rigged and stolen statement means that there are some casual viewers who will think, based on what was aired, Trump is more coherent than he actually is. The reality is Trump is still ranting about the election being rigged and stolen. That was removed. If you just kind of scroll on by, watch the interview and move on. It's missing key context that reminds us Trump is out of his mind. You would think that during, you know, an election year, there's some elections this year. We're now a year from the midterms. You would think major networks would want to show what Trump actually says instead of cleaning it up for him. But this is where we are. 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This gives them a unique level of credibility. Try Incogni risk free and get 60% off. When you go to incogni.com/pacman and use the code Pacman. The link is in the description. It is great to welcome to the program today on, on an auspicious day for such an interview, New York City mayoral candidate Zoran Mamdani. I know it's super busy today. Thanks for making time for us.
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Zoran Mamdani
No, please, it's such a pleasure to be on.
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David Pakman
So listen to first tell my audience who has been saying, David, are you not having him on because he's a socialist and you're not and we just haven't been able to make it work until today. It's true. I am not a socialist. People are allowed to have different political views. I want to learn and that's, that's what we're here to do. So I want to talk about a couple of things in the limited time that we have. One of significant concern is it seems as though there is an appetite, especially if you win, to make New York a target of the militarization, federalization, et cetera, of law enforcement by Donald Trump. Lawsuits sometimes work, sometimes they're slow after the fact. They can work. What is the plan if you win? And the Trump administration says we are going to show them what we can do and they try to do in New York City what they have done in other places around the country.
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Zoran Mamdani
You know, first, I really want to acknowledge and appreciate having the chance to be on David. And for, for whatever the questions might be, there's actually a far less interesting nemesis and their name is Google Calendar. And we, we overcame it.
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David Pakman
We did. We did.
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Zoran Mamdani
You know, look, almost every morning Donald Trump wakes up and makes threats to cities across this country. And they are threats that use the language of safety. And yet we know they have nothing to do with that because if they did, then it would mean deploying the national guard to the 8 out of 10 states with the highest crime rates. But they're all run by Republicans, so that would never even be considered. It's in fact, it's about intimidation, it's about trying to Create a sense of fear. And I agree with the Police Commissioner, Jessica Tisch, here in New York City, that we do not need the National Guard. We have the NYPD to create that public safety. And that's what I'm looking forward to working with. And I think, as you said, there's the utility of the courts, which must be used and also sometimes takes its time. I think there is also the importance of building a political coalition such that everyone understands that it's not Donald Trump versus Zoram Hamdani, it's Donald Trump versus New York City. And the way that you do that is by ensuring that you are reflecting the true breadth of who this would affect in New York City. We're talking about the governor, the Attorney General, myself as the mayor. We're talking about small businesses, we're talking about faith leaders, we're talking about immigrant advocates. This is an attack on the very fabric of the city, because I think too often Republicans set the narrative and then Democrats allow it to fester. We don't even combat it. We don't offer our own affirmative vision. We don't actually put forward why it is that we are in politics. And that's what I would be doing as the next mayor.
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David Pakman
The city now, in nuts and bolts terms, what does it mean if they physically show up? Because, again, the lawsuits have. We've seen them work, but after the fact, is it deputizing NYPD to resist the federalization? I mean, what. What are we doing? Nuts and bolts.
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Zoran Mamdani
I think one of the first things is that you are prepared for the use of the courts in advance of that decision. This is not something where you are then starting to put together your brief. And that's for me, what the 57 days between election day, January 1st, have to look like. It has to look like that work of preparation, such that January 1st, you hit the ground running. The second part of this is I've made very clear that I believe that everyone should be held to the same standard of the law. And if ICE agents are breaking the law here in New York City, they should be held to account for it. And this is something that, sadly, is missing in so much of our politics today, where we try to create a different set of rules on the basis of who we would apply them to. And part of the reason that Donald Trump is currently prosecuting Attorney General Tish James is because she had the gall to hold him to account to that same set of laws. So the nuts and bolts will look like that clear directive in this city that everyone will be held to account to the same law. It'll mean having the lawsuits prepared in advance if, in case this is something that is pursued by the federal government and ensuring that the coalition of the attorney general, the governor, and myself is one that is ready to go. Because one of the more successful examples of taking on the federal administration was in California, where you had the mayor of L. A, the governor of California, the attorney general of California, all working together, and the attorney general there said that for every dollar they spent on legal fees, they recovered more than 30,000 in federal funds that would have otherwise been stripped from them.
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David Pakman
Before I move on you, you're saying ICE agents could be prosecuted as individuals depending on their actions in New York.
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Zoran Mamdani
City if they break the law. Yes.
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David Pakman
Got it. Okay. I'm very interested in free buses because I'm from Argentina, and we have a whole background with regard to the way that. That buses have been used politically and also from a sort of logistical standpoint. Now, I really want to focus in on the funding piece. There are critics who say the state controls the mta. Mta and doing what you want to do would require a statewide tax increase, unlikely that a governor nor the state's population would go for it. Is that a fair criticism or is that an incorrect criticism?
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Zoran Mamdani
The fair aspect of it is that the state does control the mta. The unfair aspect of it is that it misses the fact of when a city has a mayor that has an ambition that matches the scale of an issue, that you can actually change the political realities around how you win that funding. I'll give you an example. Mayor Bloomberg was so passionate about the extension of the 7 train to Hudson Yards that he took on what is typically a state responsibility of the fiscal cost of building a new subway station and paid for it using city funds that was more than $1 billion. I give that to you as an example of the way in which this position can be used to start to actually advocate and then implement a vision of mass transit that goes beyond what we have today. The cost for free buses is about $700 million. I've said that we would partner with the state in funding that. And part of this is out of my experience of being in the state legislature, where we won the first fare free bus pilot. We made five bus routes free in New York City. And we often talk about this in the question of cost, but there's also the question of benefit. There is a study that has come out from a transit expert that puts forward an analysis that for the 700 million or so that we would spend, we would generate about 1.5 billion in economic benefits across New York City. And I've said that I believe the most important and clear and direct ways of raising this funds is by increasing personal income taxes on New Yorkers, making a million dollars or more by 2%, and by increasing the corporate tax rate to match that of New Jersey at its top tier. I've also said that if there are other proposals of ways in which we can find the funding, the most important thing is the funding itself, not the manner in which we find it.
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David Pakman
One of the things that I don't. And you can, we'll find out because I have you here to ask. I don't believe that those estimates are dynamically adjusted for what is expected to be a change in ridership, maintenance on the buses, etc. Is it true or is that incorrect? Is that priced into your estimates?
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Zoran Mamdani
The 700 million is a current estimate. The will put a number of different predictions forward. What I've often found is even the MTA's reliance on McKinsey for where their ridership numbers would be. We saw time and time again that the predictions were outstripping the realities, and that continues to be an issue for many New Yorkers.
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David Pakman
So I guess the one piece would be depending on the actual uptake, then there would have to be an accounting for, ok, do, number one, do we need more buses? Do the buses need more frequent maintenance? Do we need more staff that is not currently in the 700.
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Zoran Mamdani
The 700 is the replacement of the fair revenue. That's what the 700 is. And I think that, you know, if our, our platform is about making buses fast and free, and these two things together will also require having a true reimagination of the, the way in which we engage with bus transit across the city. Because, you know, the city controls the streets across the five boroughs, while the MTA is controlled by the state, and the streets determine how far fast those buses move. And that's a question of busways, bus lanes, bus prioritization signals. That is critically important, and I'm very excited to be building a coalition that finally looks at that as it should be, which is political decisions.
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David Pakman
You know, one of the things I find myself wanting to tell my audience as we talk is even if you and I have differences in terms of political and economic philosophies, which we do, one of the things that I think we have to do in this country is if voters have decided they want to try something, we get to try it, and then we measure and we evaluate. And so for all of this stuff about, I mean, listen, I think there are some divisions on the left right now. And what I think is interesting about what's happening in New York, and of course, the results are going to tell us what sort of a test we get is we've tried a number of different things in different parts of this country, and we've also tried different things in New York. Even though I would not run on your campaign, we get to now see if you win, what are the effects, and then voters get to vote again. And so while I recognize the differences within the left and you and I are in different parts of the left, if voters have decided, and if they do decide that they want to try your approach, we get to try it. And anybody who is on any part of the left, I believe, has to be in favor of the. That.
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Zoran Mamdani
Well, I really appreciate that. And I think that's what's so exciting about what comes after this election, is the opportunity to take an idea and implement it, because the worth of an idea comes from the implementation of that idea. We cannot believe in things purely in theory. We have to believe in them also in practice. And this now gives us that opportunity to deliver on that. And I really appreciate your analysis of the fact that this is now going to be a collective effort to, to, to live up to the will of voters here in New York City. And I'm very excited to be a part of it.
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David Pakman
We didn't have time for what you will do about the scourge of tourists walking slowly. But I think that, that maybe we have to leave for, for. That's a big, that's a much bigger issue than the free buses, quite frankly.
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Zoran Mamdani
Yeah, well, look, I, I love to walk fast and, and I love to also tell tourists that they're welcome in this city. And we have to be able to hold both of these things at the same time. But, David, it's been a real pleasure to be on, and especially with just very little time until Election Day, to have this opportunity to share our message of making the most expensive city in the United States of America one that's affordable for every New Yorker. And you can only do so by actually changing the politics at hand. And that's what our campaign presents an opportunity to do. And it's been such an exhilarating experience to build this movement alongside so many other New Yorkers. And out across the finish line tomorrow.
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David Pakman
Night at 9:00pm all right, well, listen, thank you so much for your time. As I said, when Donald Trump won I want whoever is president to succeed by making things better for people, no matter their politics. And I would say the same thing for whoever ultimately wins tomorrow. So I appreciate your time. Thank you so much.
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Zoran Mamdani
Thank you, David. I hope to see you soon on a fast and free bus.
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David Pakman
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Barack Obama
Enriching their friends, silencing their critics. They put On a big show of deporting people and targeting transgender folks. They never miss a chance to scapegoat minorities and blame DEI for every problem under the sun. You got a flat tire. Must be dei. Your wife kicked you out. Yeah, who knew? But what they haven't done is help you.
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Zoran Mamdani
So.
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David Pakman
This, combined with everything else that former President Obama did and said over the weekend, really sent Trump for a loop. And Trump took to Truth Social and put out the following screeds. Quote, why would anyone vote for New Jersey and Virginia gubernatorial candidates Mikey Sherrill and Abigail Spanberger when they want transgender for everybody? Men playing in women's sports, high crime, and the most expensive energy prices almost anywhere in the world. Vote Republican for massive energy cost reductions, large scale tax cuts and basic common sense. Under President Trump, me gasoline will come down to $2 a gallon very soon. No movement yet. Nine months in, but very, very soon with the Democrats, you'll be paying four, five and six dollars a gallon and your electric and other energy costs will likewise soar. Vote Republican for a great and very affordable life. All you'll get from voting Democrat is unrelentingly high crime, energy prices through the roof, men playing in women's sports, and heartache. Now, as all of you I'm sure know, these are all lies. But it's funny that Trump says Democrats want high crime. Like what? Forget about the trans stuff, men and women's sports, energy. Why would Democrats want high crime? And I think they have some completely convoluted way of explaining it by bite. With high crime, you make victims out of people. Victims want the government. It's completely incoherent. As opposed to like the obvious thing of obviously nobody wants high crime. Trump then continuing on truth social saying, quote, for all of those people voting in New Jersey and Virginia for governor, Attorney general, or any other position, please remember this. A Republican vote means a drastic drop in energy prices and energy costs, a drop like you've never seen before. Well, why is electricity up more than 10% under Trump then? Don't ask that question. Trump continues. A Democrat vote means a doubling and even tripling of your energy bills and prices, traditionally the highest cost of an American citizen. So if you vote Republican, your energy costs are going to go down tremendously. If you vote Democrat, your energy costs are going to go through the roof, making energy virtually unaffordable for you and your family to pay. Also remember that if you don't go to the polls and vote, it's the same thing as voting for a Democrat. So go to the polls and cut your energy costs in half. Why would it take voting for Republican gubernatorial candidates to cut your energy costs in half, given that Trump promised that as president, he would cut your energy costs in half? Or is that an inappropriate question to be asking? And the other aspect of this that I think is. Is sort of weird, I guess I would say, is that he. You know how they would say under, under Biden, all of these things are going to happen that are terrible. And one of the things that Trump said in 2020 would happen if Biden was president was that energy prices would go up so much that people would no longer have indoor heating and indoor cooling and even windows would no longer be allowed in new construction. None of that stuff happened. Now Trump is in power, energy prices are going up, and he is again saying, you vote for Democrats, you're going to have a problem. This is going to happen. That is going to happen. How many times can the boy cry wolf before his own followers don't believe him? Apparently, 10 years is still not enough. Caroline Levitt has reappeared and instantly collapsed during a pathetic interview on Fox News with Maria Bartiromo. Maybe this is why they've been keeping Caroline Levitt hidden. Caroline Levitt has the. I don't know if I would call it the skill or the ability to, no matter what she's talking about, sound righteously indignant, completely righteously indignant and sanctimonious when it comes to whatever issue she's being asked about. It could be as nominal as like, do you like cheesecake? And she would sound righteously indignant and she would sound sanctimonious. Here she is saying that it is time to get rid of the filibuster.
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Caroline Levitt
And that's why President Trump has said Republicans need to get tough, they need to get smart, and they need to use this option to get rid of the filibuster to reopen the government and do right by the American public. We know, Maria, based on the polling and based on common sense that the vast majority of this country wants to government reopened. That's what President Trump is willing to do. That's what he wants. And he's willing to use any lever to make it happen.
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David Pakman
I think that this is a lie, not only in so far as Donald Trump seems to have no eagerness to get the government open. I think it's a lie insofar as I think Trump loves the government being closed. The more closed the government is, the more Trump justifies getting away with doing whatever he wants, like an authoritarian, which is the way that he likes to rule. At the end of the day, the topic of trade deals came up and Levitt says we have trillions pouring into the country because of tariffs. Ignoring the little tiny detail that the tariffs are paid by the American companies that import the products.
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Caroline Levitt
Look at what President Trump has been able to do by leveraging tariffs and leveraging the mighty of the United States economy. We are the number one consumer country in the world and every country around the world knows it. It's because of tariffs that President Trump has been effectively able to cut so many tailor made trade deals with so many countries around the country. Look at what around the world. I mean, look at what he just did in Asia. You had Malaysia, you had Japan, you had South Korea, trade deals all over the place. Trillions of dollars of investments pouring into our country because of his effective use of tariffs.
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David Pakman
Look at what of that is happening. There are two ways in which this is a lie. Number one, the tariff money itself is paid by American companies. It's crushing, it's crushing farmers, it's crushing manufacturing. It's a disaster. It's a tax on imports. That's all it is paid by the importer. Secondly, Trump keeps insisting trillions are pouring in. That is very much untrue. And Trump will often cite completely made up numbers. Seven trillion, nine trillion. I mean, it's crazy. But what Trump is doing is when someone in the Middle east says to him, hey, we would consider 600 billion in investment over the next 10 years if the projects are right, Trump goes, I'm bringing back 600 billion with me. It is not real. And I believe Caroline Levitt knows it isn't real. And she is just repeating the same lies that Donald Trump is telling. Now you want to see an even bigger lie? Here is Caroline Levitt saying that Democrats are trying to renegotiate the health care system they created, by which I guess she means Obamacare. This one is so impenetrable. Even Maria Bartiromo just sits there and let the lets the lies pour out of Caroline Levitt's mouth.
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Caroline Levitt
We certainly hope so. Look, we open, we hope the government opens tomorrow. We have been saying this for 32 days in a row. The Democrats want to try to renegotiate the entire health care system that they created, by the way, and that's why they're holding the government hostage.
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David Pakman
They Democrats did not create the health care system. The health care system being linked to employment and for profit goes back to the period between World War I and, and World War II. It has nothing to do with Democrats. What she means is Democrats voted for Obamacare in 2010 and Republicans have been doing everything they can to destroy it. And now Democrats want to try to fix some of the things that are broken. I've started hearing from people about their premiums. We're going to have on Friday feedback. We're going to have some messages from people talking to me about their premiums. I already told you, mine is going from 747amonth to like 950amonth if I keep the same plan open. Enrollment has started now and I'm planning to look at what other plans might be available. These are skyrocketing. It is not because of the system that Democrats made. Democrats tried to put a band aid on a terrible system. The band aid is Obamacare. And then Trump came in and got rid of the funding for the band aid. He couldn't get rid of the band aid, so he discovered the funding for the band aid by saying, no more individual mandate. Caroline Levitt must know this, and she says she is on her knees for Jesus. Would Jesus appreciate this level, level of dishonesty? Here's one other lie technique. She again talks about leveraging tariffs, but see if you can spot the lie here.
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Caroline Levitt
Well, we do have backup plans and the president's trade team is working diligently on those contingency plans. But ultimately, Maria, we are hopeful that the Supreme Court will rule on the right side of the law and do what's right for our country. The importance of this case cannot be overstated. The president must have the emergency authority to utilize tariffs. Look at what President Trump has been able to do by leveraging tariffs and leveraging the might of the United States economy. We are the number one conspiracy consumer country in the world and every country around the world knows it.
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David Pakman
It's now, what did she do there? It happens to be true. We are the number one consumer country in the world. But that was the case before Donald Trump took office. It was the case before Donald Trump took office the first time. It's the case. It was the case nine months ago before Donald Trump took office. This time, saying that that is true doesn't have anything to do with whether it's because of something Trump did. And there will be low information people who will go, wait a second, she's right. The United States is the biggest consumer in the world under Trump, but it has nothing to do with Trump. Just because it happened doesn't mean that it was because of Donald Trump. So Caroline Lovett, she seems off her game lately. If I'm honest, she's not making the same. She never told the truth. But the lies are much more brazen and there's less of an attempt being made to sort of soften the lie with plausible deniability. Something's up with Caroline. Who knows what it is? We've got a great bonus show for you today. We're going to talk about the Halloween terror plot that Cash Patel talked about. Apparently it never existed. We will talk about the new plans for testing nuclear weapons and we will talk about the effect of the penny no longer being in production in the United States. All of those stories and more on today's bonus show. Remember that for November we are donating every first membership payment on the website and every first membership payment for substack premium subscriptions. We are donating all of that first payment to Feeding America, an excellent nonprofit. I'll give you an update tomorrow as to how that's going to be.