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David Pakman
Welcome back from Thanksgiving everybody. The administration is facing a major crisis at the top. Republicans and Democrats alike are expressing alarm over a report that suggests that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth ordered a follow up strike to kill survivors in the water after an initial missile strike on a suspected Venezuelan drug boat led to some survivors in the water. Now that may be a war crime and Senator Tim Kaine and others are saying that it is. When Donald Trump was asked about it, he tried to distance himself and I believe he's setting up Pete Hegseth to take the fall. Meanwhile, there are exploding concerns about Donald Trump's mental stability. These have reached a fever pitch. Many lawmakers are now demanding Donald Trump release the results of that mri. Trump referring to Tim Walls as seriously retarded over the weekend and showing other signs of cognitive collapse. And the episode today also will touch on the financial disaster that this administration has been for many in Trump's base. I don't mean because of the tariffs. I mean the people that got scammed, conned and grifted into investing into things like Trump's media and technology group, Trump coin, Melania Coin and others. So we have the full analysis today. It's great to be back. What a show. Let's do a show. It appears that the war crimes have begun in the Trump administration. Even Republicans are starting to notice. That is sort of the headline. It's deeply concerning. It's frankly unsurprising given the current administration. Nobody really fell for this is the president of peace. This is the president of no new conflicts, military deployments, etcetera we are now talking about an escalating military offensive that Donald Trump has launched in the Caribbean and near Venezuela, supposedly targeting drug traffickers. Now, for months there have been really serious questions about what is the legal justification for these boat strikes that Donald Trump is doing, strikes that have already killed more than 80 people since early September. But the conversation has now shifted from is this legal in some technical sense to are these war crimes? And the catalyst for this shift is this jaw dropping report from the Washington Post which suggests that during one of these operations there was an initial missile strike on a suspected drug boat and then a follow up strike was ordered to kill survivors who were in the water after the boat was struck. Now you might say, well, why is this now a controversy? Well, the reporting is that Pete Hegseth, the secretary of defense, former Fox News host, now turned secretary of defense, according to the report, gave the order, kill everyone aboard and then go after those who are in the water. That is considered a war crime. You're not allowed to do that. Now, I know many of us say, you know the rules of war. Isn't it by definition lawless? Well, many of us intuitively, morally and ethically feel that even when war is being done, quote, legally, it's still an atrocity. But there are rules and it appears that those rules were not followed. Now, Donald Trump was asked about this. Can you talk about the controversy? Trump's like, I don't know anything about it. I have a sense of what Donald Trump is up to here.
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Donald Trump
He said he did not say that. And I believe the two men. He said he didn't do. He said he would you be okay with that if he did? He said he didn't do it. So I don't have to make that decision.
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David Pakman
And I apologize for the bad audio that is that is in the source. Trump saying, I know nothing about it. Hegseth said he didn't order that strike of the people in the water. Well, what if he did? And Trump goes, I don't believe he did it, so I don't have to think about that. Now this might seem like Trump being clueless because he's so often clueless. I would not rule out that Donald Trump is starting to lay the groundwork here to blame Hegseth for war crimes and say, I knew nothing about that whatsoever. We have one more clip of Trump being asked about this on Air Force One just hours ago.
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Donald Trump
If there were a second strike that killed wounded people, even in the first strike, are you thinking that would be legal? You know what I Don't know that that happened. And Pete said he did not want them. He didn't even know what people were talking about. So we'll look at, we'll look into it. But no, I wouldn't have wanted that kind of second strike. First strike was very, he thought it was fine if there were two people around but Pete said that didn't happen. Does that make you great? I don't know. I'm going to find out about. But said he did not order the death of this.
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David Pakman
So notice the technicality of language. Pete said he didn't order the strike becomes Pete said he didn't order the death of those people. And maybe before we know it, there was an order for a second strike but it wasn't supposed to kill anyone and the killing was simply an accident. I think you can see the way in this which, in which this is going to be propagandized. So, so this now gets us to an important moment I believe to pause and think about this. None of this is about self defense. Like the idea that any of these strikes, the first or the second strike were necessary for self defense. That's not even being alleged. This is not, it's not even really about intercepting a cargo. This is an order to execute people in the second strike. People who have been neutralized as a threat, their boat's been destroyed and they're floating in the ocean. Now what is significant here is that it is not only Democrats that are concerned about this. This has now triggered a level of bipartisan concern and maybe more importantly oversight that we don't typically see from the Republican led Congress when the President is also a Republican. We've got Congressman Mike Turner, Republican from Ohio, former chairman of the Intel Committee, said if that occurred that would be very serious and it would be an illegal act. We know he knows we're talking about war crimes here. Now on the Democratic side there's many but Senator Tim Kaine, Democratic Senator from Virginia, he said based on the reporting this would be a war crime.
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Governor Tim Walz
Well, first, if that reporting is true, it's a clear violation of the DoD's own laws of war as well as international laws about the way you treat people who are in that circumstance. And so this rises to the level of a war crime if it's true. And the questions that we've been asking for months are give us the evidence that the folks on board were really narco traffickers and one in yeah, and.
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David Pakman
We'Re not going to get that evidence, that's for sure. Many others, including Senator Mark Kelly saying, this does appear to be a war crime. So we have something that's a little different from the normal Partizan bickering here. When you see top Republicans joining Democrats like Chairman Roger Wicker of the Senate Armed Services Committee or Mike Rogers from the House Armed Services Committee, and they are saying we must employ vigorous oversight. We need a full accounting of what's going on. This is not just liberal media fantasy. This is even Republicans taking it seriously. I don't know that it's because they really care, but because the legal implications are massive. So what is the administration doing to respond to this? What are they doing to the possibility that they are now engaging in war crimes? Well, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said the entire report, just the whole report from the Washington Post on which all of this controversy is based on, is fabricated and inflammatory, which is a very Trumpian choice of words. But the critical detail is that Hegseth has not contradicted that a second strike occurred. And sometimes you sort of have to read between the lines or pay attention to what they aren't saying. He's defending the military's action, saying these are designed to be lethal, kinetic strikes. And that is a very calculated evasion. Lethal strikes are one thing. Executing survivors in the water is something else. And so Hegseth is trying to inject almost like you would a cleaning with bleach. He's trying to inject plausible deniability to try to just obscure what appears to be a war crime. Trump, again, I wouldn't have wanted it, but Pete said he didn't do it. The core issue is, is our military accountable to the rule of law? And if American military officials, acting on a verbal order, executed survivors, which is what they are once they're in the water, you're no longer considered a combatant. Ok? You're offshore, your boat's been destroyed. You're in the water. It's a war crime. Now, you might say, I don't feel empathy for drug smugglers. Well, first of all, they still haven't presented any evidence that they are drug smugglers. But you're okay with the military being used not in the interests of defense, not even in the interests of. Of intercepting the cargo, but after the boat has been destroyed, just in killing survivors, you're okay with that? And I would be shocked if even many of the right wingers in my audience would be okay with that. So we're going to continue to track this story. The House and Senate committees are going to start investigating. But when Republicans and Democrats start talking about illegal and even whispering about the word war crime. You know that we're on a sort of legal precipice here and saying we are protecting the US by being proactive. Proactive is seeming a lot like criminality in this particular case. So let me know your thoughts in the comments. Is Trump getting set up to pass the blame to Hegseth if the war crimes are indeed conflicted? Confirmed. All right. We have another tragedy that we have to talk about which points once again to the incompetence of this administration. Remember how Donald Trump was going to keep everybody safe with so called extreme vetting of people that are coming here from other countries? Well, it turns out that the Trump administration approved the asylum request of the man who over Thanksgiving shot and killed a member of the national guard in Washington D.C. so let me give you the backstory. Okay. Right before Thanksgiving at the Farragut West Metro station In downtown Washington, D.C. two blocks from the White House, two members of the West Virginia National Guard were shot in what is being described as an ambush style attack. The two people are Army Specialist Sarah Beckstrom, who died succumbing to her injuries, and Air Force Staff Sergeant Andrew Wolf, who at last check remains in critical condition. I hope I have that information up to date. The alleged shooter has been identified as a 29 year old Afghan national who is here with a confirmed asylum request, Rahmanullah Lackanwal. Now, Lackanwall was invented to the United States in 2021 as part of Operation Allies. Welcome to that's a program which assisted Afghans who worked with the US including the CIA when the US Was in Afghanistan in being able to get legal status in the United States. He was also shot during the altercation and taken to the hospital. Now here is the controversy that is developing. On the one hand you've got Republicans blaming Joe Biden. Why the initial entry took place in September of 2021. Joe Biden was president there. There was humanitarian parole. Like I said, for Afghans who aided the American effort, including CIA backed units. That status that Leckinwall was given was temporary. While Biden was president in 2024 he filed for asylum and he said, I'm afraid of being prosecuted by the Taliban. If I go back to Afghanistan now that the US Is out, they will know I worked with the CIA. It's going to be very bad for me. And In April of 2025 when Donald Trump was president just eight months ago, the asylum status was granted. The asylum application was approved by the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services Bureau under the Trump administration. Kristi Noem, Secretary of Homeland Security went on tv. She was interviewed by ABC News as Kristen Welker. Asked about the fact that it was indeed the Trump administration that confirmed his status. Here's what she had to say. It may not surprise you that she didn't exactly do a Mayor Culp to.
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Kristi Noem
Be very clear about this because his asylum was approved in April of this year on the Trump administration's watch. So just to be very clear, was there a vetting process in place to approve that asylum request?
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Fox News Host
Yeah, the vetting process process all happened under Joe Biden's administration.
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Kristi Noem
Was he vetted when he was granted asylum? Are you saying he wasn't vetted when.
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Fox News Host
He was vetting asylum? Vetting is, vetting is happening when they come into the country and that was completely abandoned under Joe Biden's administration. That's the, that's the irresponsibility that has completely devastated her.
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David Pakman
Now I want to get to the, we're going to get to another part of this but she's also lying here. You aren't vetted for asylum when you first come into the country if you haven't asked for asylum. Lack and wall came in under a compassionate I don't exactly know what it's called but one of the it was a program to bring people who worked with the United States and Afghanistan in the request for asylum was not made until 2024 and a lot of that time period during which that was being evaluated Trump was president. So she's lying. There was you don't evaluate for asylum before someone's asked for asylum.
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Fox News Host
Country Kristin, in such a dangerous position. I don't think people realized when Joe Biden was in the White House exactly how he was allowing our country to be infiltrated with people that we didn't know who they were. Some of them we did know were dangerous and we went after as soon as they came into this country. But under this program we could have up to 10000 people that came in.
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David Pakman
So she's blaming Biden. Now the truth is that the Trump administration approved him for asylum in April of this year and that a whole bunch of that vetting process took place while Donald Trump was president. Now Trump is in full damage control mode. He put out a truth social post which says crooked Joe Biden mayorkas and so called border czar Kamala Harris really screwed our country by letting anyone and everyone come in totally unchecked and unvetted. But we have to we so there's two things here Number one, if you believe that the Biden vetting was so poor, even if it's true that the vetting took place while Biden was president, which it didn't, wouldn't you say, let's do our own vetting because Biden wasn't vetting anybody and we do extreme vetting. You're basically saying, well, Biden did it wrong, but we'll just approve the asylum claim anyway. That's a disservice if those prior premises are true. We also have to acknowledge something else, which is that these members of the National Guard should have been at home. They should have been in West Virginia for Thanksgiving only because of Donald Trump's absurd scheme in which he has National Guard deployed all over the place, including Washington, D.C. were they there around Thanksgiving in the first place? Now, to be clear, the shooter did this. That is the person responsible. But we can't ignore. Why are they even out there? Why? A little more of the insanity with Kristi Noem again saying no, the. The information was gathered while Biden was.
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Governor Tim Walz
President and you said that he was radicalized here in the United States. He was admitted to this country by the Biden administration. That's 100% correct. 2021. But he was granted asylum by the Trump administration in April. So did you see any red flags. Yeah.
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David Pakman
Did you see any red flags on.
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Fox News Host
All the information that was gathered on that vetting process was gathered under the Biden administration. His asylum claim application started under the Biden administration. That information was provided by them and the responsibility lies with them. And.
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David Pakman
All right, so you get it. They're basically saying, not our problem. But. But you approved based on information you knew was terrible. You have been criticizing for years that the Biden administration won't vet anybody correctly, that the Obama administration before Trump's first term, they're not vetting anybody correctly. And then you go, well, here's the vetting they did. Sounds good. We're not going to do any more. Give me a break. If you believe that Joe Biden's vetting was so terrible and you do extreme vetting to keep everybody safe, why did you simply take the Biden administration's word on vetting? It makes no sense. They are desperate, they are panicked. And a terrible weekend for this administration. Not only the war crimes, but. But potentially exposing that their extreme betting program may not even really exist. Leave me a comment. Let me know what you think. Make sure to like and share the video. Great to be back after the long weekend. We all know food is central to the holidays. So having good olive oil is crucial. Our sponsor, Graza Olive Oil has been my go to for years which is why I reached out to them about becoming a sponsor. And it's always fresh, never blended. The olives are always picked, pressed and bottled in the same season from the same source in Gian Spain. You can even see the harvest date on the bottle. Graza makes three high quality oils for everything you're cooking this time of year. Sizzle for everyday cooking, roasting and sauteing. Drizzle as a bright, punchy finishing oil for salads, bread, pasta. Anything that needs a lift and frizzle is their high heat oil for baking, grilling and frying. Graza oils taste clean, vibrant, super fresh. I love the bottles, they look great in my kitchen and Graza's gift sets make an easy and perfect holiday gift. People actually use this and the packaging is really nice. Go to graza.co/David P and use code David P to get 10% off the link is in the description. A pending Supreme Court case could strip our fourth Amendment rights and allow immigration agents to come into our homes for any reason. No probable cause needed. All while Republicans try to twist things so that you think this is all great for America. This should be the biggest story in the US right now, but it's almost impossible to keep up with the millions of moves that Trump is making every single day. That's why Ground News exists. Ground News is an app and website that exposes the blind spots and spin before it takes control of our opinions. Ground News is the smarter, more reliable way to stay informed when MAGA is banking on us getting distracted. I'm partnering up with Ground News to give you 40% off the same vantage plan that I use so you'll pay only five bucks a month for all of their premium features. You can just go to Ground News slash Pacman or use the code Pacman in the app. When you sign up, the link is in the description or scan the QR code. The David Pakman show is primarily an audience supported program. That means we depend on your support to do what we do. People who sign up and get a membership at Join Pacman Dotcom not only are supporting the show, but also get extra content every day including the bonus show and the commercial free audio and video streams of the show. Really appreciate everybody who signed up. Over the last month I've also gotten a lot of messages from people saying hey listen, it's it's not you, it's me. The economic situation, the financial situation, I've got to start cutting. And I respect that and I sympathize with that. And it's potentially an unfortunate sign about the direction of this economy. We really only need 1 1/2% of our audience to support us directly, to be completely independent. So I invite you to sign up@join pacman.com and or and slash or get yourself a Substack Premium subscription@substack.david pakman.com all right, listen. It has gone completely mainstream. Donald Trump is unraveling. We are watching it happen in real time. Republicans are noticing it. Right wingers are noticing it. Political people are noticing it. Let me kind of walk you through it. Donald Trump had a long weekend holiday public meltdown. We start with a media event at Mar a Lago where a reporter asked Trump, why did you blame Biden for an Afghan shooting suspect when it was your administration that granted him asylum? That's correct. That answer includes accurate premises. And Donald Trump didn't like it. And he goes, are you stupid? Are you a stupid person? Good to see you. Thank you so much. Happy Thanksgiving.
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Reporter
Thank you.
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David Pakman
A question about this tragic shooting in Washington, D.C. u.S. Officials say that the suspect worked very closely with the CIA in Afghanistan for years, that he was vetted and the vetting came up clean.
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Reporter
He went. He won cuckoo. I mean, he went nuts. And that happens, too. It happens too often with these people. You see them, but look, this is how they come in. This is how they. They're standing on top of each other. And that's an airplane. There was no vetting or anything. They came in unvetted. And we have a lot of others in this country. We're going to get them out, but they go cuckoo. Something happens to them.
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David Pakman
Your DOJ IG just reported this year that there was thorough vetting by DHS and by the FBI of these Afghans who were brought into the US So why do you blame the Biden administration?
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Reporter
Because they let him in. Are you stupid? Are you a stupid person? Because they came into on a plane along with thousands of other people that shouldn't be here. And you're just asking questions because you're.
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David Pakman
A stupid person and three times stupid person. The fury and rage of Trump. When anyone dares say, but wait a second, sir, Mr. President, some of the things you're telling us don't make any sense. So this was the start of the weekend spiral. Then the personal attacks followed where Donald Trump called the sitting governor and I quote, here, I apologize, this is not language I use. But Trump called the sitting governor, Tim Walls. Seriously Retarded. That's the President of the United States. And of course, he also recycled conspiracies about immigrants marrying siblings and this sort of thing. This was untruth social where Trump said, quote, and this is a lot. I apologize, it's lot. A very happy Thanksgiving salutation to all of our great American citizens and patriots who have been so nice in allowing our country to be divided, disrupted, carved up, murdered, beaten, mugged and laughed at, along with certain other foolish countries throughout the world for being politically correct and just plain stupid. When it comes to immigration, the official United States foreign population stands at 53 million people, most of which are on welfare from failed nations or from prisons, mental institutions, gangs or drug cartels. Now, none of that is true. They and their children are supported through massive payments from patriotic American citizens who, because of their beautiful hearts, do not want to openly complain or cause trouble in any way, shape or form. They put up with what has happened to our country, but it's eating them alive to do so. A migrant earning $30,000 with a green card will get roughly $50,000 in yearly benefits for their family. The real migrant population is much higher. The refugee burden is the leading cause of social dysfunction in America, something that did not exist after World War II. As an example, hundreds of thousands of refugees from Somalia are completely taking over the once great state of Minnesota. Somalian gangs are roving the streets looking for prey as our wonderful people stay locked in their apartments and houses, hoping against hope that they will be left alone. The seriously retarded governor of Minnesota, Tim Walls, does nothing either through fear, incompetence, or both, while the worst congressman slash woman in our country, Ilhan Omar, always wrapped in her swaddling hijab and who probably came into the USA illegally in that you were not allowed to marry your brother, does nothing but hatefully complain about our country, its constitution, and how badly she is treated. Trump then continues with another, and this one really raising eyebrows. Any document signed by sleepy Joe Biden with the auto pen, which was approximately 92% of them, is hereby terminated and of no force or effect. The auto pen is not allowed to be used if approval is not specifically given by the President of the United States. The radical left lunatic circling Biden around the beautiful Resolute desk in the Oval Office took the presidency away from him. I am hereby canceling all executive orders and anything else that was not directly signed by Joe Biden. Illegal auto pen, blah, blah, blah. Trump seems to think that if he, as the president, puts out a social media message where he says, I hereby do something, that it just kind of happens. Of course none of it happens. This is absurd. We could go into in detail how the auto pen is used routinely. Donald Trump uses the auto pen. We found out it appeared Donald Trump used the auto pen for pardons, which should invalidate them by Trump's own standard, applied to Biden. But they don't care. That's not really the big story here. We knew all of that. The big story is that this is not a mere tantrum or a pattern. This is something that is now being noticed by mental health professionals who believe that we are in the middle of a cognitive collapse. John Gartner, former guest on this show, clinical psychologist, has studied Trump's behavior closely, says, we are just. This is dementia. Gartner is saying, this is dementia, period. And that it's dementia combined with the toxic personality disorder that is beyond repair. And he looks at Trump's confusion, his memory lapses, his word mix ups, his tangents, his rambling speech, the physical signs, the widening gait, the droopy face, the slowed motor coordination, reduced vocabulary, all of it. And Dr. Gartner is now saying that this is gross decline. He says, as this deepens, the underlying personality traits, which for Trump are delusions of grandeur, paranoia, narcissism, they get a lot worse. They get amplified. And Gartner compares it to what you see in the final years of dictators in history. Erratic behavior, impulsivity, loss of inhibitions, unpredictable decisions. Now, at the same time, there's another doctor, Vin Gupta, who we're going to try to get on the show. He's a physician and public health experts. He is saying the implausible insistence of this White House that Trump is in perfect health, yet Trump doesn't know why he had an MRI is complete and utter nonsense. It does not comport with reality. And Gupta pointed to signs from Trump in recent appearances. Slow reactions, confusion when asked, simple questions, occasional incoherence, fatigue, lack of physical endurance. Then Gupta's view is, something is happening here. So this is becoming way beyond speculation. We have trained credentialed experts in various fields saying the president seems to be breaking down. Now, if you are a working taxpayer, as are most of the people in my audience, what does it mean that this is who is in charge of the most powerful military, one of the most powerful nuclear arsenals, and one of the most powerful economic engines in the world, and he seems to be non compost mentis. What does it mean? It means, most likely that we can't Treat the outbursts like yet another political scandal. It can't be Trump being Trump. It has to be about capacity, control and competence. And Trump's control looks shakier than ever. The wild insults, the conspiracies, all of it. So we have to prevent it from being politics as usual. That's the thing the president is unraveling. We must share videos that are talking about this. And the question that we should be all asking isn't, is this bad? This is a disaster. I don't believe we have ever seen anything like, like this. We need to be preparing for how bad could it get? And is JD Vance aware of what's going on waiting in the wings? That's another one that is floating from inside of MAGA world. Disturbing images of President Donald Trump from the long weekend raised questions of whether Donald Trump is rotting from the inside out or the outside in. And yet we are told that this is the healthiest president ever. Even though he again restated, he has no idea why he got an MRI or what they were looking at. We're going to look at that later as you can see pictures of Donald Trump from the weekend alongside, by the way, with a picture of Joe Biden taken on the same day. I hate to be morbid or crass or insensitive or whatever, but look at these images. We know that Joe Biden has stage 4 metastasized prostate cancer and is on treatments that make you tired and that can affect you in a number of ways. And yet Trump is the one that looks terrible here. Now understand that people around Trump are seeing this and they have now entered damage control mode. When you are explaining and defending, you are losing. And I want to give you one example of that. They have this Dr. Nicole Safier, who has a show on iheartradio and is a big Trump booster, also a contributor on Fox News. She tweeted just out of the blue, suddenly, as this picture of Trump comes out, looking more unwell than ever, quote, the Trump cognitive decline story collapses the moment you actually sit across from him. I have. The man fires off details and statistics without hesitation. I'd love to see some of his critics try to keep up. You may not like what he does, but he is coherent. Listen, Nicole Safier is right about one thing. Trump, in any conversation fires off details and statistics with no hesitation. The problem is a lot of them are made up and anybody can just start firing off statistics. The question is, do they describe reality accurately or do they, do they, do they describe a world that exists only in the mind of Donald Trump. And with Donald Trump, they do not describe reality. So if we zoom out a little bit, we're seeing a few things here. After the break, we're going to delve into the whole MRI thing. Number one, Trump's public physical appearance and behavior is deteriorating. Number two, Donald Trump's speech abilities are deteriorating faster than we sometimes notice. I mean, go back and look at video from Trump from even nine months ago and you will see that he is even further deteriorated. But maybe the most notable change here is that you are now starting to hear from right wingers who just for just for no reason, just for kicks, are choosing to mention Trump's brain is fine. Nothing to worry about here. No cognitive decline. If they were not worried about it, they would simply be ignoring it. So we have entered the active denial phase and we still don't know why. Did he get an mri? What body part did they hit? We'll find out hopefully soon, but we'll talk about it after the break. 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We found out only because Trump said, yeah, they, they gave me an mri. Now we have spent months asking, why were you given an mri? What part of your body was scanned? What were the doctors looking for? What were the results? And we get nothing from Trump other than it was awesome. It was just doctors were shocked by how awesome it was. But I don't know what they looked at. I don't know what they were looking for, I don't know what part of my body, but it was the best MRI result anyone has ever seen. Well, now Governor Tim Walz is finally calling for the MRI results to be released. First of all, tweeting over the weekend, release the MRI results in response to Donald Trump's post referring to walls as seriously retarded. And then following up here in a.
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Kristi Noem
Video interview, Governor, let me have you weigh in on this because part of your initial response to President Trump's post was to call for him to release the results of his mri. And I want to give you a chance to give our viewers exactly a sense of what you mean. What exactly were you suggesting by that? Governor?
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Governor Tim Walz
Well, here we got a guy on Thanksgiving where we spent time with our families. We ate, we played Yahtzee, we cheered for football or whatever. This guy is apparently in a room ranting about everything else. This is not normal behavior. It is not healthy. And presidents throughout time have released a couple of things. They've released their tax returns. Not Donald Trump. And they've released their medical records. Not Donald Trump. And look, the MRI is one thing, but I think what's most concerning about this is, as your viewers out there are listening, has anyone in the history of the world ever have an MRI assigned to them and have no idea what it was for, as he says? So, look, it's clear the president's fading physically, I think the mental capacity, again, ranting, you know, crazily at midnight on Thanksgiving about everything else.
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David Pakman
There.
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Governor Tim Walz
There's reasons for us to be concerned. Concerned. This is a guy that randomly says the airspace over Venezuela is closed. He's ruminating on if you could win a nuclear war. Look, this is a serious position. It's the most powerful position in the world.
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David Pakman
So Tim Walls is right. This is. We need the results. The public has a right to know if the leader is having some kind of cognitive or other health issue that will impair judgment. Trump's recent behavior suggests he's impaired. Slurs, conspiratorial rants, erratic statements, raising real concerns about mental stability. And the medical scan that Trump received and claims not to even know what it was for is part of the problem. Now Trump suddenly says, listen, if people want the mri, we'll give it to them. He was again asked, what part of your body did they look at? Trump goes, I have no idea.
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Donald Trump
My mri. MRI is a very. Governor Walls asked you to release the. So can you tell us what it was? Governor Walls, the incompetent Governor. So if they want to release it, it's okay with you to release it?
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Reporter
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Governor Tim Walz
What was the number?
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Donald Trump
They were like my phone call where I got impeached. It's absolutely perfect. So if you want to hear about it or if you want to release it, you want to have it release. News Nation. Failing. Failing News Nation. News Nation is doing lousy you, by the way, but if you want to have it released, I'll release it. They were looking at what? Releasing.
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David Pakman
No, no, no.
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Donald Trump
What part of your body was the mri? I have no idea. It was just an mri.
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David Pakman
I have no idea what part of my body they were looking at. Sir, were your feet in the machine or was your head in it? Come on.
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Donald Trump
It wasn't the brain, because I took a cognitive test and I got a perfect part, which you would be in case.
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David Pakman
Look at that. That last line, which is a throwaway it's another little insult. It definitely wasn't my brain because I aced a cognitive test, which you would never be able to do, he says to the reporter. Now, I. Everybody in my audience, okay, think through the following questions. There may be people in the audience who are 14. There may be people in the audience who are 24. I know there's 84 year olds in the audience. Okay, I'm going to ask you a very simple question. Have you ever had an mri? Is there anyone in my audience who isn't sure? Okay. I would be shocked. Second question. Why did you have an mri? Is there anyone in my audience that doesn't know the answer to that? Whether you're 14 or 34 or 84, do you know you got an MRI but have no idea why you got it? Of course not. As I said before, I've had two MRIs. When I was a kid. I once got up in the middle of the night too fast, fainted. It's called a vasovagal episode. Went to a neurologist, and he said, sir, let's give you a brain mri. We want to make sure this isn't seizure related. So I got an MRI in my adult life. I had a clicking, a click, click, click in my right knee. I went to the orthopedist, he did a little manipulation of my knee, and he said, we got to get an MRI of the knee. We did an mri, unlike the first one where my head was in it, my legs were in it. And we determined I had a sort of small birth deformity in my meniscus called discoid. Meniscus, didn't need surgery unless it causes me pain.
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David Pakman
One of these was 30 years ago. One of these was. Was 10, 15 years ago. How does anyone have no idea why they got an MRI or what body part it was for? So we do need the MRI results. But just as concerning is the fact that Donald Trump doesn't seem to know why he got it. This is not about Partizan politics. This is about competent safety and leadership. If Joe Biden had ever said anything like this, and even after months, nobody said to him. Now, there's one other possibility, which is he's just lying. And then that would also raise a major red flag. Trump may know what they were looking at. Imagine this. This is not the case. But imagine, imagine that they were. They suspected Trump had been having small strokes and they gave him a brain mri. And Trump knows that, but he's not telling us. That's almost as bad or worse than him. Having no idea. So I welcome the Magaz making endless demands and claims about Joe Biden during the last presidential term to join me. And in an instance of bipartisanship to unite the country for the good of the country, to say we need the MRI results which Donald Trump now claims he's going to release. All right. An addled and confused Trump made a number of important policy statements and declarations on Air Force One. And I want to go through some of these now. The first one we played at the top of the show, I'm going to play it again because it's part of this outrageous press junket and gaggle, I guess. Better said. And Trump again seemingly setting himself up to blame Pete Hegseth for war crimes, says he doesn't know anything about the supposed second strike on waterborne survivors of the boat bombings off the coast of Central and South America.
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Donald Trump
I don't know anything about it. He said, he said he did not say that. And I believe. Would you be okay with that if he did? He said he didn't do it, so I'd have to make that decision.
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David Pakman
Yeah, he doesn't know. He just not sure. He doesn't even have to evaluate it because it's just not anything that happened. And again, as I said earlier, this might seem like Trump being clueless, but to me, it strikes me more as Trump laying the groundwork to say I didn't commit the war crimes. It was only Pete Hegseth Trump then struggling mathematically, talking about prices coming down 500%, 600%, still struggling with that very basic arithmetic. I wish reporters would call him on the mouth of it.
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Donald Trump
You know, one of the reasons that health care technology work is because of what I just did with cases. You're going to have drug prices coming down 500, 600, 700% because of me. In other words, we're going to have the lowest truck prices tied for the lowest drug prices anywhere in the world. It's world favorite nations and you don't talk about it. It's probably the biggest thing to happen in medicine in the last hundred years.
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David Pakman
Well, nobody seems to understand the math of it. And I wish a reporter would say, sir, if you discount something 100%, it now costs zero. What do you mean you're going to discount it 500%, 600%? Sometimes he's even gone as high as a thousand percent. I wish a reporter would ask and get him to do the, get him to do the arithmetic right in front of you. Trump asked about referring to Governor Tim Walz as Seriously retarded. And he goes, oh, I completely stand by that. Yeah. What many Americans do find ethics of war.
- [46:31]
Donald Trump
Do you stand by that claim of calling you. I think there's something wrong with it. Absolutely. You have a problem with it. You know what? I think there's something wrong with it. Anybody that would do what he did, anybody that would allow those people into a state and pay billions of dollars out to Somalia. We give billions of dollars to Somalia. It's not even a country because it doesn't function like a country. It's got a name, but it doesn't function like there's something wrong with Wallace.
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David Pakman
There you go. Tim Walls says we need Trump's mri. Trump says Walls is seriously retarded and there is something very, very wrong with him. Critically important question. Trump has been making a big deal out of how these bombings of boats off the coast of Venezuela, in the Caribbean, etc. Are to keep drugs out of the United States. Trump has insisted one of the most important priorities of this second term, keep the drugs out of the United States. Except Trump has pardoned multiple notorious drug traffickers. Oh, wait a second. Is Trump serious about keeping drugs out or is everything he's doing actually for some other reason? Trump is asked about the fact that he pardoned Juan Orlando Hernandez. And Trump goes, who? Oh, that was a Biden con job. Explain more about why you pardoned a notorious drug trafficker.
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Donald Trump
Well, I don't know who you're talking about. John Hernando Hernandez. Well, I was told, I was asked by Honduras, many of the people in Honduras, they said it was a Biden set up. How do we fight the. Fight the doors alive? But it was the people that surround.
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David Pakman
And I know that it can be hard to hear with the background noise. Trump is saying, well, I was told that was a Biden setup. That's why I did the pardon. And Trump's now going to be asked, what evidence do you have that it was a setup? And Trump doesn't have any Resolute desk.
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Donald Trump
Surrounded right when he was there, which is about 4th of the time. And the people of Honduras really thought he was set up and was a terrible thing. He was the president of the country. And they basically said he was a drug dealer because he was the president of the country. And they said it was a night administration set up. And I looked at the facts and I agree with them. What evidence did you share that he was set up when he wasn't? You take a look. I mean, they could say that. You take any country you want if somebody sells drugs in that country, that doesn't mean you arrest the president or whatever you have to do. That includes this country. Okay? To be honest, I mean, if somebody does something wrong, you put the president of the country in jail. They said it was a Biden set up, it was a Biden administration set up. And you have a big race going on.
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David Pakman
So listen, first priority is. First priority is stopping drugs, supposedly. Second priority is undoing any Biden setups, and that supersedes the importance of keeping drug dealers and traffickers in prison. This guy's brain is mush, and he doesn't seem to understand even the first thing about the questions he's being asked. But there is something. You know, when people start declining cognitively, in my experience, and based on the doctors we've spoken to, there is an underlying essence of their personality that remains there. You know, with some people, it's as they get deep into cognitive decline, their love for music and sometimes ability to play an instrument remains. It's sort of like so core to their essence. With Donald Trump, even though he doesn't know who he's pardoning or he does, but he's lying and he doesn't know why he got an MRI or whatever, the. The most important thing is the media should accept whatever he says as true, not question it. And as an authoritarian wannabe, he should be allowed to do whatever he wants without anybody putting up any kind of road roadblock or even questioning him. The essence of Trump, even as he becomes more and more addled and incoherent, is the authoritarianism. I should get to do whatever I want. There should be no consequences and no one should be able to stop me. I love our partnership with Wild Alaskan Company. They do sustainable seafood memberships and bring high quality wild caught Alaskan seafood right to your door. Every filet you get is 100% wild, never farmed, sourced from well managed fisheries in Alaska, you get better flavor and texture, but you're also helping to preserve these ecosystems. They freeze everything at the peak of freshness. It gets to you vacuum sealed. I got a box that had everything from crab, fish fillets, scallops, salmon burgers, which were absolutely delicious. So elevate your meals, support sustainable fishing, and enjoy seafood the way it should be. Go to wildalaskin.com/pacman Use code PACMAN for $35 off your first box. The link is in the description. Is Donald Trump coming for my American citizenship? Yes, he is back on the horse, saying he might be going after the citizenships of naturalized American citizens like me remember that I was born in Argentina, came to the United States and obtained citizenship when I was a teenager and a legal minor in the United States. So the headline here is one of those classic Trump moves that uses terrifying, legally shaky rhetoric to fire up his base to go after people and find scapegoats. And so the question as we look at this video isn't just, is Trump going to take away my citizenship, David's citizenship? The question is, what is the legal and constitutional price that this country would pay if Donald Trump tried to take my citizenship? Now, there's a lot of people writing to me, worried, and I really appreciate that. I'm going to get back to that in a moment. Here was Trump asked about it and what he said. Mr. President, you said that you might naturalize Americans.
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Donald Trump
People that are in here that shouldn't be here, that became Americans. We'll see. I mean, yeah, we have criminals that came into our country and they would naturalize, maybe through a fight with somebody that didn't know what they were doing. If I have the power to do it, I'm not sure that I do, but if I do, I would denaturalize them. Do you have a question? What do you mean by reverse my patience? It means get people out that are in our country. Get them out of here. I want to get them out. We got a lot of people in our country, and they shouldn't be here. And they came in through Biden, and he was the worst president in the history of our country. But the single biggest thing he did was allow me the worst, allow millions of people into our country that shouldn't be here. Drug dealers, prisons were opened up and allowed to come into our country.
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David Pakman
All right, so listen, a lot of what he's saying obviously doesn't apply to me. I didn't come in when Biden was president. I didn't commit any fraud. I didn't come from, as Trump calls them, mental institutions or whatever. I appreciate everybody who's been writing to me about this. I'm not worried, to be perfectly frank. And also, if Trump did try to denaturalize me, can you imagine the publicity I'd get? I mean, it's a like, I hate to write it off in that way, because there are a lot of people who, if the president tried to do that, it would be the worst possible thing you could imagine for them and their livelihood. If Trump started proceedings to take away my citizenship, I can't even tell you the publicity that I would get. Now, let's look at the claim in the process here because we have data about the naturalization and you should know denaturalization, sometimes it's called re migration, which is like to send people back from where they came. This is like a far, far right thing. It's extreme right wing insanity. Trump's claim is very simple. He's going to go after naturalized citizens naturalized under the previous administration, claiming they might be criminals, they might have committed fraud in some paperwork that they did in order to obtain legal status. Now, the scariest part of all of this is that Trump seems to think he can snap his fingers and start proceedings to take away your citizenship. If you go and you look at the law, you realize that that's just not true. Once you have American citizenship, it really is like a gold, a gold standard of legal states status. Whether you were born in the United States or like me, you were born elsewhere. And then you become a citizen. Everybody is a citizen, period. And the Supreme Court has repeatedly said, you can't lose it because the President doesn't like you. You can't lose it because you committed a crime after becoming a citizen. You just can't. And to strip citizenship or to denaturalize people, the government has to go to federal court. And they have to meet a standard that is insanely difficult to hit. They have one real shot if the government can prove you explicitly lied or you hid a crucial fact when you applied for citizenship. Like if you said, I didn't have a murder conviction in my home country and you did, that would be the sort of thing that we are talking about. If you get your citizenship and then later you commit a crime or you do something politically unsavory or you commit some kind of white collar crime or whatever. None of that is grounds to take someone's citizenship. You can go to jail, but you get to keep your citizenship. Now, the legal battle is a very difficult one for the government to win, thanks to decades of legal precedent. The real danger is the chilling effect, because when the President starts talking about, we're going to take citizenship, you better behave the right way, you'd better say the right things. What are the political allegiances that might get you on the radar of someone like Trump? But I want to again say, don't let the noise override the reality. From 1990 to 2017, okay, listen to these numbers. From 1990 to 2017, an average of 11 denaturalization cases per year were filed. 11, okay. They were reserved for high level fraud, war criminals who lied about their past and, and made it into the United States. Terrorists who lied about their past and made it into the United States, the first Trump administration, from 17 to 21, the number of cases did go up significantly to about 25 a year. So it more than doubled. But it's a country of 340 million people. And so the big picture is that even with this expanded focus on this stuff and trying to target people in all of this, it is such a high standard to be met that we're talking about a couple dozen cases. And then I'm going to make another additional sort of disclaimer. Even if Trump had people listening to him when he goes, oh, take this person's and take that person's and this Canadian professor, we got to strip them. Take Pacman citizenship. Even if Trump did that, and even if the DOJ was willing to open cases, these cases are so difficult to prove that handling any number of these cases at scale, even if they wanted to, even if they were willing to take direction from Trump to do it, would be very, very difficult. Now, just as another side note, this entire, like what you put on your paperwork thing, forget for a moment that I was naturalized in the 90s, like, put, put that aside for a second. But I was a minor, so there is no paperwork. I didn't, I didn't. There was no paperwork for me to fill out because I was naturalized as a minor under my parents. So I appreciate the concern. I think I'm going to be ok. But if not, trust me, you're going to know it. All right, listen, I warned you time and time again. We looked at the numbers, we looked at the financials of some of the so called investment opportunities that the Trump family was offering people. We looked at the crypto tokens, Trump Coin and Melania Coin and I warned you that this is not an investment thesis that they are putting forward. They are saying, here's a cult of personality you can throw money at. And here we are Now, December of 2025, about 10 months into the new administration. And the market, the beautiful free market that they love, has delivered its verdict, which is that the results of investing in Trump's various schemes and scams aren't just bad, they are financially disastrous for the people who thought, oh, I'm going to invest in the Trump Media and Technology Group stock or I'm going to invest in Melania Coin to support the President and to get rich doing it. A report from the Wall Street Journal lays it out. It is a bloodbath. Shares of Trump Media and Technology Group have crashed 75% since Inauguration Day. If you put 10K into the stock, you would now have 2500 bucks. But you know what? That's a $7500 loss that you can write off. The meme coins are even worse. The Melania coin is down 99%. It vaporized. It's like when you pour water on cotton candy and it's gone. Why did it happen? Well, depends who you ask. I believe the greater fool's theory is the best explanation. The greater fool's theory? Theory argues that you can buy, I hesitate to even call them assets. You can buy a thing not because of its intrinsic value, not because the company makes money, not because there's a good product or service. You can buy a thing because you're convinced I will later be able to sell it to a bigger fool than I am. And the entire Trump financial ecosystem, the DJT stock, the World Liberty Financial crypto, it's all greater fool stuff. There are people that made money on it, believe me. The people that got in really early on Trump coin and Melania Coin, it pumped and then they dumped. Just hold on, do I have it? Massive, massive dumps.
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Donald Trump
Big, massive dumps.
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David Pakman
Exactly. They made a lot of money. But the greater fools were left holding the bag. We the. If you look at some of the underlying data, this would become pretty apparent. For example, djt, which is the stock ticker for Trump's media and financial group, it trades at 1240 times annual revenue. Think about that. You might have high growth Companies trading at 30 times earnings and Trump's trading at 1240. Multiple on revenue, not even on earnings or value. It's just like a shared delusion. Who was buying it? Like I said, the people that got in early and dumped and made money and then all of the MAGA faithful that they were counting on, the early people were counting on to push the price up so that they could dump. There's this revolving door, it's like a conveyor belt of greater fools. And when the supply runs out, the supply of fools, that is the bubble bursts. And so people were left holding the asset, Trump's loyal base. And it is such a profound irony that it is almost painful because we were told Trump's return is going to usher in this era of economic freedom and financial support of these assets. And it's mostly been just, what can we do to enrich our own family? When you zoom out and say, what's he done for the broader economy? Economy, as we'll cover later this week, it's been, you know, policies like tariffs that generate market instability and risk that is unappealing, in fact repelling to a lot of serious participants in the economy. And meanwhile, by the way, it is sort of interesting that gold is on a tear. Gold has surpassed, I believe, $4,000 an ounce at one point and is up like 60% for the year. Part of the reason gold is soaring, and I'm not a gold guy personally, but part of the reason gold is soaring is investors are worried about deficit spending and the dollar's future in market turbulence because of Trump's policies while he scammed, conned and grifted people who quite frankly, don't have the money to be throwing at this sort of stuff. So the numbers are really clear. The mechanism is clear. We predicted it. We said buyer beware. And a lot of people have now lost money they couldn't afford to lose because of this. Is it as simple as greater fools, or do you believe there are financial crimes here? Let me know. On the bonus show today, we'll talk about Black Friday and what it means for the future of the economy. We will talk about Elena harbor getting disqualified. Oh, it's, it is sweet, sweet justice, I have to say. And what if AI is the way to topple two party power in Congress? Not my idea. It's someone else's. We will talk about all of those stories and more on today's bonus show. And then I'll be back with a new show tomorrow.
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