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The David Pakman show is an independent media program. What this means and what the new Media Matters report highlights is that without the support of our audiences, these shows don't get very far. I invite you to get a membership@join pacman.com we do an extra show every day for our members. A long list of perks is available and most importantly, you will be supporting an alternative to the massive right wing online ecosystem, which I will tell you more about in a little bit. A disturbing, disturbing new report out about that join pacman.com is the place to sign up. And of course you can use the coupon code not again for a sizable discount. Donald Trump tantrumed and unleashed authoritarian insanity during a speech to the Department of Justice during which he has started to now say straight up that any media outlet adversarial to him is illegal. This is a red alert, dangerous situation. Trump taking one step closer to going after us by starting to name some of the guests on our show and some of the allies to our show, which we are going to talk about and explore. Here is Trump speaking. The the visual contrast, the irony could not be more jarring. Trump speaking at the Department of Justice, an entity that in some abstract sense is meant to carry forward the process of justice. Trump with his words saying that justice should be circumvented and that media outlets adversarial to him are committing crimes. Listen to this. Listen and weep my friends and I.

Donald Trump (15:02)

Believe that CNN and MSDNC who literally write 97.6% bad about me or political arms of the Democrat party. And in my opinion they're really corrupt and they're illegal. What they do is illegal.

David Pakman (15:19)

Illegal, illegal. Media outlets that report critically about a president are illegal according to the president. What other countries does that remind me of? It's ugly stuff, folks. And you know, there's this idea of what if Trump designates these media outlets to terrorist organizations as a pretext to start arresting journalists? I wish I was kidding. I. He hasn't signaled yet that he plans to do that, but it would not come as the biggest shock if he started threatening to do exactly that. Trump also at the DOJ starting to name names. Listen to this.

Donald Trump (16:03)

There's a guy named normizen. I don't even know what he looks like. His name is Norma Eisen of crew. He, he's been after me for nine years now. CREW is a charitable organization. And, and the reason I'm saying this, Todd, is I'm only going to get one chance to say this, but these are bad people. I don't know who he is, I don't know what he looks like. But everything I read is normizen of CREW and Cruz. A charitable organization. And that's a political thing. His sole life is to get Donald Trump and he's been vicious and violent and he's trying and he probably had pretty good success over the years. But with me, how did he do? I think I'm president, am I here because I'm president? But we had to take all of that abuse, even during the trials, we had to take tremendous abuse like, you know, these wonderful guys, they're not legitimate people there. They're horrible people.

David Pakman (16:59)

And Trump even name checking Mark Elias who has been a guest on this program is a big booster of this show. One step closer every week until we end up in the crosshairs. Listen to this.

Donald Trump (17:14)

It's with the help of radicals like Mark Elias, Mark Pomerantz, and these are people that nobody's ever seen anything like it. So many others. But these are people that are bad people, really bad people. They tried to turn America into a corrupt communist and third world country.

David Pakman (17:38)

But the big accusation, by the way, Mark Elias turned the country communist or tried.

Donald Trump (17:44)

In the end the thugs failed and the truth won, freedom won, justice won, democracy won. And above all, the American people won. There could be no more heinous betrayal of American values than to use the law to terrorize the innocent and reward the wicked.

David Pakman (18:03)

And what is Trump doing right now? What is Trump doing right now? Another instance of projection. But we shouldn't for a moment think that Trump won't carry out every single thing he's threatening to do and alluding to in this deranged and terrifying speech, as has become sort of a staple of these events, events Trump targeting traditionally left leaning cities and using lurid anecdotes to talk about just how disastrous it all is.

Donald Trump (18:37)

Killer people. And they allowed them in by the millions. In major cities like New York, Chicago and Washington, mothers can't walk their children to the park without fear of being shot or killed or raped or anything. Women can't ride the subway without worrying that a hoodlum will shove them onto the train tracks. In New York, it's happened twice in the last couple of weeks. They're standing there, a perfect Wall street gentleman in one case. And another person who was a worker, good worker, electrician, gets pushed into a train going 45 miles an hour just prior to the train, not stopping, going to go through that. I know the stations very well. I used to take this. I used to feel safe when I was young. I'd go to, my parents would drop me off at the subway. I take the subway to my school.

David Pakman (19:27)

So listen, we've heard a lot of this before. There is no question that if there is any crime, we should be dealing with it. And one of the failures of Democrats in the 2024 election was to seem not to care about crime that exists. But the truth is that crime rates have been declining in the United States for a long time. There was no big burst of crime under Joe Biden. And that as a general principle, we see very high rates of crime in red cities. You look at Oklahoma City compared to New York City, the crime rates are higher in Oklahoma City. Of course, New York has way more people, so the number of crimes is greater in New York City. If you look at Oklahoma as a state rather than New York as a state, you see the same thing. And so on the one hand, of course, to the extent that crime exists, and of course, in order to really deal with crime, you've got to deal with poverty, you've got to deal with inequality, you have to deal with infrastructure, things that these Republicans don't seem to want to deal with, we should acknowledge where there is crime, we have work to do. But this lurid framing of the dangerous blue cities, where everything's a disaster, very much incorrect, but very salient to many voters in this country. Trump also weighed in, in of course, authoritarian fashion. When it comes to drug overdoses, saying death penalty, that's the way to do.

Donald Trump (20:56)

Some of those businesses, those cartels are run better than any business in America. They say they're run incredible. Not just here, they all over the world. World. They run like a major business, but in many cases better. And I said, we got it 18% down. Well, 18% is incredible. It's like a record. But when you think of it, it's not very much. And the way you get it down, if you want to get it down to close to 100%, is with the death penalty. But I think maybe America is not ready for that. China has a death penalty, Singapore has a death penalty. Various places have the death penalty. Wherever you the death penalty, you don't have drugs.

David Pakman (21:30)

But so think of the sum total of this speech. Media outlets critically reporting about me. Those are illegal. The way we should deal with drugs, like authoritarian countries, China and Singapore, death penalty. This is an authoritarian nightmare. Trump continued with what Democrats do is illegal.

Donald Trump (21:55)

And these newspapers are really no different than a highly paid political operative. And it has to stop. It has to be illegal. It's influencing judges and it's, it's really changing law, and it just cannot be legal. I don't believe it's legal. And they do it in total coordination with each other. And everything we do, we're restoring law, restoring order, and restoring public safety in America.

David Pakman (22:23)

That's criminalizing real journalism. Remember, if it's not critical, it's just pr. I think Orwell said some version of that. When you criticize journalism, or criminalize rather journalism that doesn't flatter the leader, that is authoritarianism. And then, of course, a contrast visually, a contrast in optics. Even though, even though this was a dystopian authoritarian speech, Trump still doing the dam. And for whatever reason, the music typically out of phase at Trump's event. Something that we've seen. Terrifying. Terrifying. And we now do have to talk about the reality that the Trump Vengeance tour gets one step closer to progressive independent media like us. Another day. And Donald Trump's Justice Department takes another step towards independent media shows just like this one. Just like the David Pakman show. You know, we've been warning and we've been warned about this. Exactly. And it's starting to happen. Donald Trump is now explicitly saying what we all knew he wanted to say all along. Media that says things he doesn't like, media that is critical of him in his administration is or should be illegal. Once again, speaking to the doj, here is Trump making that claim.

Donald Trump (24:02)

And I believe that CNN and Ms. DNC who literally right 97.6% bad about me are political arms of the Democrat party. And in my opinion, they're really corrupt and they're illegal.

David Pakman (24:18)

Not just unfair, not just fake news, but illegal. They are committing crimes. We are committing crimes. According to Trump, that is not just rhetoric. That is the sort of justification and pretext that authoritarians use for a full blown crackdown on an open and free press. And then he takes another step closer. I played this earlier, but I want to get it in as part of this discussion. Trump takes another step closer, saying not just in general adversarial media is illegal. He mentions our friend and frequent guest on this show, attorney Mark Elias, with.

Donald Trump (24:58)

The help of radicals like Mark Elias, Mark Pomerantz.

David Pakman (25:04)

So this should not come as a surprise. Donald Trump has been obsessed with silencing critics from day one. He called the free press an enemy of the people. He threatened to revoke NBC's license, I believe it was. He openly fantasized about using the DOJ to go after journalists. But this is really Trump taking it one step closer to us. This is the game plan. You attack the media, you criminalize lawyers who fight against you in courts of law within the bounds of the legal system. You weaponize the government against your critics until there's nobody left to criticize you. So this is not just about CNN or msnbc. This is not just about Mark Elias. This is really now about all of us. We have seen it happen in every authoritarian takeover throughout history. And now Trump is saying the quiet part out loud. And sadly, even before the clampdown starts, we are already getting crushed. And I need to talk about that next. As if we needed more confirmation, a new study finds that the right is crushing the left in online news. And it really proves wrong the idea that the Internet is all of this progressive indoctrination. This is exactly, exactly what we have been warning about. There's a new Media Matters study which confirms that right wing content is absolutely dominating the online media ecosystem. It's not just in news and politics, it's in sports, it's in comedy, it's in entertainment. These are places that aren't even supposed to be political. But as I told you months ago when I talked about it, these non political spaces are being coded C O D E D with right wing politics. We are part of the study, which it's flattering that we are big enough to be part of the study. Media Matters put out a study and this chart. You might see us There at the bottom. What it uses are red and blue circles, red circles to show right wing political entities. A blue for left wing size designates subscriber numbers. Now, I don't even think that these numbers are, you know, correct or up to date, but it doesn't matter because the big picture takeaways are stunning. 82% of the total online media audience belongs to right wing shows. That's nearly five times the following of the left leaning shows. Nine of the top ten biggest shows are right wing. The only left leaning show to make the list is Trevor Noah's what Now? Which I have to admit I've never heard of. And I looked into it and it's not really a left wing independent show in the mold of a lot of these others. It's not equivalent in many ways. The right wing content doesn't just dominate politics. It seeps into everything. Joe Rogan, Theo von, the Nelk boys, they all at least pretend to not be overtly political shows. But they're constantly platforming far right guests and are overwhelmingly dominated by right wing ideas. Right wing YouTube channels double the total views of left leaning 165 billion to 31 billion. So what's happened is that the right has built an empire of alternative media and it is working. And it worked in 2024. And we talked about it in our postmortem about the 2024 election. You know, we talk about the power of Fox News. The real action seems to be happening online. In 2024, Trump reached 23 million people a week through podcasts and online shows. That is four times the reach of Kamala Harris. So these are not fringe outlets anymore. They are really shaping elections. They drive the narratives. They control political discourse in ways that most of the mainstream media doesn't even understand. The other key difference, and we've talked about this now, Media Matters has finally put together a structured report about it. But I've been telling you this stuff for years. Republicans support their media. They promote it. They invest in it. They take it seriously. And that is why right wing shows thrive when many left wing shows struggle. This is a crisis for progressive media. There's no other way to say it. The question is, are we going to do anything about it? You know, people love to complain about right wing disinformation. What are we really doing to counter it? Where is the investment in left wing media? Where is the mass promotion of progressive voices? For years I've been saying if you want real progressive media, you have to support it. That's why subscribing sharing, promoting shows you like. Maybe it's this one, maybe it's not right. This doesn't have to be self serving. Whatever you think are the best shows doing the best work, you've got to do it because the right is flooding the online space with daily content, massive audiences, nonstop political messaging, production money, and all of it. And too many people on the left are waiting for someone else to fix the problem. So at a minimum, the shows you like, they have a YouTube channel. Subscribe to it. We've passed 3 million subscribers. 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Well, it has happened again. A man votes for Trump and his Peruvian wife gets arrested by ICE and thrown into a detention center. This time it's in Wisconsin. A man named Bradley Bartel voted for Trump. He liked Trump's whole tough on immigration promise. And now Bradley is begging for his wife to be released from an ICE detention center after she was detained at the airport and ripped away from their family. We're talking about Camilla Munoz, his wife, who was in the process of getting her papers in order. She wasn't sneaking across the border. She wasn't hiding from authorities. She wasn't bringing in fentanyl or nor fentanyl. She wasn't bringing in either. She legally applied for permanent residency. She had been vetted by the US Government. She was married to an American citizen. She followed the process the way people are supposed to, and none of it made a difference because she and her husband were flying home to Wisconsin after honeymooning in Puerto Rico, as Trump used to say it. At the airport, an immigration agent stops her, asks, are you an American citizen? She answers honestly, not yet. ICE agents detain her on the spot. She's gone. This is the same story over and over and over again. People often assume that cruel draconian immigration policies will only affect someone else. You know why? Because a lot of people assume it'll only affect the bad people. And everyone I know in these situations is a good person. It'll not touch my family, it won't touch my partner. It won't touch me. And that is a really common mindset among cult followers. We've talked about the overlaps between Trump and MAGA and cults. Trump's base believes that when he talks about punishing people, it'll only ever be other people. They will be spared because they're part of the good ones. That the system they empowered is going to distinguish between their loyalty and they'll be granted immunity from the cruel, draconian policies. But that's not how it works. When we saw the factory worker in Ohio vote for Trump and then lose his job when the plant shut down, he was not exempt, even though he was part of the cult. The MAGA diehard who stormed the Capitol January 6, 2021 because Trump had his back, ended up in prison and Trump walked free. He wasn't exempt. Of course, Trump has since pardoned that individual, but they already did some time in prison. The guy a few weeks ago we talked about who voted Trump and his wife was deported to Venezuela. And now we've got Bradley Bartel cheered on Trump's immigration crackdowns until his wife was caught in the net. Not exempt. When you unleash a system that is designed to be merciless, it doesn't care about your life and it doesn't care about your wife. It doesn't care that Camilla Munoz had a job and paid taxes and was raising Bartel's 12 year old son as if he were her own. It doesn't distinguish that she was legally married to a US Citizen within process, paperwork and a seemingly inevitable path to citizenship, because that's what the Constitution says. The system didn't care that her only crime was a visa overstay caused by Covid shutting down flights out of the United States. So what we learn is that the cult members aren't ultimately spared, but also that this whole thing was never really about targeting the violent criminals, which they told us. It's about mass roundups, it's about fear tactics, and it's about stoking really the worst instincts of Trump's base, which sometimes end up pointed right back at the very cult members. And part of the reason that this is happening is that ICE is under major pressure from Trump's White House to ramp up the detentions. Why? Because they're struggling to find people instead of tracking down actual dangerous criminals, which to a degree they're doing, but they're struggling to find them. They are Sweeping people up like Camilla Munoz at airport checkpoints because it's easier, it's, it's lower hanging fruit in a way. The guy who voted for this now sees the truth. And now he says we need a system that shows people mercy. It reminds me, if I'm honest, of when we hear about anti gay congressman changes his mind when his daughter comes out as a lesbian and all of a sudden he wants humanity. And it's, it's very disturbing that so many people in this country, in the world, sure, but we're looking at it here. So many people are unable to say, oh, I can imagine what this would be like even if I don't expect to be in the situation. Bradley Bartel is now in that situation. And now he's realizing that the Trump immigration machine does not care about fairness. It doesn't care about families. It doesn't care about common sense. So Bartel now is going to watch his family's savings drain into legal fees. His wife will sit in a detention center. It'll be terrible for their 12 year old. And the dream of buying a house and raising kids starts to be replaced by one question. Did he really think that the rules wouldn't apply to him? And the answer seems to be no, he didn't think the rules would apply to him. In his latest authoritarian explosion, Donald Trump is declaring that the pardons issued by President Joe Biden at the end of his term are void and they are vacant. What a nightmare. Is there any legal basis for this? Well, I'll tell you in a moment. Here is Donald Trump on Air Force One saying those pardons are not valid.

Donald Trump (39:57)

Those executive orders, those parents from the former president now null and void? I think so it's not my decision that'll be up to a court. But I would say that they're not involved because I'm sure Biden didn't have any idea that it was taking place and somebody was using an auto pen to sign off and to give pardons to, as an example, just one example. But the J6unselect committee, they, they gave, think of it, they gave pardons with an autopilot. I don't think Biden knew anything about it. And what they did is they deleted and destroyed all of the information that took them over a year.

David Pakman (40:35)

Again, those Trump saying the pardons from Biden are void. He also put out a post on Truth Social Truth Central where he said, quote, the pardons that sleepy Joe Biden gave to the Unselect Committee of political thugs. By the way, this came out in the middle of the night and many others are hereby declared void, vacant, and of no further force or effect because of the fact that they were done by auto pen. In other words, Joe Biden did not sign them. But more importantly, he did not know anything about them. The necessary pardoning documents were not explained to or approved by Biden. He knew nothing about them. And the people that did may have committed a crime. Therefore, those select on, those on the UN Select Committee who destroyed and deleted all evidence obtained during their two year witch hunt of me and many other innocent people should fully understand that they are subject to investigation at the highest level. The fact is, they were probably responsible for the documents that were signed on their behalf without the knowledge or consent of the worst president in the history of our country, Crooked Joe Biden. So before we get into the real analysis, just to see if this applies to everybody, do you think Trump hand signed 1500 pardons for every January 6th rule rioter? Do you believe that that's what he did? Of course not. Now, none of this is a thing. Legally, a president cannot unilaterally, unilaterally declare a prior presidential pardon void. Can't do it. A validly issued pardon is final. For better or worse. You don't have to like the pardon process to just say that these are, these are final. Second, Trump is fixated on the auto pen. The auto pen is a device that's used to sign routine documents on behalf of people, presidents, all the time. It's not new. Auto pens are used to sign every sort of document that you can imagine. Presidents, including Trump, have used auto pen signatures for military commissions, for bills that became law, for official documents of all kinds. Are all of those void? Of course not. Only these and even Supreme Court justices have acknowledged that auto pen signed pardons are legally valid. It's a completely manufactured excuse. And what Trump wants here is Trump wants to go after the people that Joe Biden preemptively pardoned. If anything, this is confirmation that whatever your belief about presidential pardon power, Biden's use of a preemptive pardon was spot on because Trump is confirming, I want to go after those people. So we've got to get those pardons vacated. Now. Thirdly, the underlying premise here is Biden didn't know anything about the parents pardons. We, of course, have no evidence of that whatsoever. And by the way, pardons are a process. Pardons aren't just you stick a piece of paper in front of the president. The idea that Biden's own Justice Department was Granting clemency or pardons without knowledge of the president is a conspiracy theory for which they've presented no evidence. The important part of this is not oh, the auto pen. The important part is to understand what Trump is looking to do here. This is about retribution and revenge. This is not a debate about executive authority. This is real time authoritarianism. We are seeing it. It's happening. And Trump is now openly wielding presidential power to try to erase legal acts of the former president and of a previous administration to punish his enemies. This is what happens in regimes that don't have functioning checks and balances. Earlier Trump saying media outlets that do critical reporting on me are illegal. Mark Elias is a criminal for what he's done. And now Trump is saying we are going to find a way to undo what prior presidents have done so we can have open prosecutorial season on my political enemies. The critical detail here is that we don't know what legal avenue Trump intends to pursue to undo Biden's pardons. What I mean by that is we, at least for now, troth posts are not legally binding. Trump posting something to Truth Social doesn't make it legally so. So is this one of those things where Trump posts something and forgets about it and no actual action is taken? Or is there some imminent action, an investigation, some kind of legal decree process, or trying to get a court to sign off on reversing pardons? We know of no legal process that would achieve that. But the question we are left with is okay, he talked about it on the plane. He put out a troth at close to 1am this morning about it. Is the administration going to actually pursue some way of saying we don't believe the pardons for some of these people are valid? We are now going after that. We don't have the answer. We will follow it. It's terrifying, but we don't currently have the answer. What do you think he will do? What will the administration do? You can email me info@david pakman.com an.

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Anti War President Donald Trump has launched a new military offensive not really the anti war candidate, is he? Donald Trump just ordered major military strikes in Yemen where he says the following quote Today I have ordered the United States military to launch decisive and powerful military action against the Houthi terrorists in Yemen. They have waged an unrelenting campaign of piracy, violence and terrorism against American and other ships, aircraft and drones. Joe Biden's response was pathetically weak, so the unrestrained Houthis just kept going. It has been over a year since a US Flagged commercial ship safely sailed through the Suez Canal, the Red Sea or the Gulf of Aden. The last American warship to go through the Red Sea four months ago was attacked by the Houthis over a dozen times. Funded by Iran, the Houthi thugs have fired missiles at US Aircraft and targeted Arab troops and allies. These relentless assaults have cost the US and world economy many billions of dollars while at the same time putting innocent lives at risk. Trump continued the Houthi attacks. Attack on American vessels will not be tolerated. We will use overwhelming lethal force until we have achieved our objective. The Houthis have choked off shipping in one of the most important waterways of the world, grinding vast swaths of global global commerce to a halt and attacking the core principle of freedom of navigation upon which international trade and commerce depends. Our brave war fighters are right now carrying out aerial attacks on the terrorist bases, leaders and missile defenses to protect American shipping, air and naval assets and to restore navigational freedom. No terrorist force will stop American commercial and naval vessels from freely sailing the waterways of the world. To all Houthi terrorists, your time is up and your attacks must stop starting today. If they don't, hell will rain down upon you like nothing you have ever seen before. He also levies a threat against Iran, where he says to Iran, support for the Houthi terrorists must end immediately. Do not Threaten the American people, their president, who has received one of the largest mandates in presidential history, or worldwide shipping lanes. If you do, beware, because America will hold you fully accountable and we won't be nice about it. So less than two months into his second term, Trump has launched a full scale bombing campaign against Houthi militants. That's an Iran backed group that controls a lot of northern Yemen. The targets are air defenses, radars and missile sites. And the justification is the restoration of stability in the Red Sea after attacks that took place. Houthi attacks on shipping vessels took place. But we have to call this what it is. We have to acknowledge it for what it is. This is direct US Military engagement in yet another Middle Eastern conflict, which Donald Trump said was not going to happen under his watch. This is an expansion of US War in the region. If Trump were truly against foreign entanglements, he'd be looking for diplomatic solutions. And instead, he's doing what every hawkish Republican administration does, is we're going to drop bombs and we're going to say that we're doing because we're big and strong. And it's about sending a message and you'd better not go any further. Now, Trump and his fans love to talk about how he's the real anti war president. He didn't start any wars in his first term, even though he escalated a number of different conflicts. But now we are, you know, 50 days in or something like that, and Trump's ordering airstrikes, naval attacks, military operations threatening to rain hell down upon them and threatening Iran as well. This is something with the potential to spiral into an all out regional conflict thanks to what Donald Trump is doing. And then the threat to Iran also bears some discussion, because when Trump warns Tehran, any further involvement with the Houthis will have consequences. The problem is if Iran responds verbally, you know, with a statement. Trump just pulled the US Even deeper into the exact kind of Middle east war that he claims to oppose. Now, you might notice that the usual Republican voices aren't screaming about forever wars right now. The same people who called Joe Biden weak for military action in the region are cheering this on. And the same people who supposedly want to bring our troops home, they're quiet, they're not saying a word right now. And it's a reminder that at the end of the day, the Republicans position on war was never about principle. It's about who's in charge. When Democrats use military force, it's reckless and also not enough force. When Trump does it, it's simply necessary, you got to do it. And it's really just an eye opening reminder. If you had forgotten that Donald Trump's entire foreign policy Persona is a complete and total scam. He talks this big game, we're going to stay out of wars and Hillary would have started six wars and all of this stuff. But his first major foreign policy move of the second term is starting a conflict. And the US Will now be fully engaging in this military campaign in Yemen. And if Trump keeps escalating, it could be a much bigger conflict. So we've got to just accept that some of my friends on the left were wrong. It's okay to be wrong. I've been wrong and I try to correct it. I had friends on the left saying, you know, Trump seems genuinely committed to cutting military spending through Doge. I said, I don't think so. Trump confirmed last week he will not be cutting military spending and his budget increases, the size of the military, the amount of spending. So that's one down. Secondly, there were those who said, I disagree with Trump about a lot of stuff, but I do think he wants to keep us out of conflicts. New conflicts, growing conflicts, escalating conflicts. Well, on day, I don't know what day it is. 50, it's almost 60 of Trump's presidency. He now has announced a new military entanglement in the Middle east with further threats both within Yemen and to Iran. Are we ready to say, all right, he's not cutting the military and he's not the anti war president, or are we going to continue playing this game, that this might be a new Trump who's going to behave totally differently? I didn't see it, but I was hopeful. Maybe they're right. Turns out they were wrong. It's the same old Trump. Donald Trump gave a sort of confused little, I don't even know if I would call it a press conference. He kind of just spoke to some reporters on Air Force One and Trump is already claiming victories on a number of the different issues that he said he would be working with. One of those is prices of various elements. Take a listen to what Donald Trump had to say.

Donald Trump (54:23)

I will tell you what is part When I took it over, eggs were through the roof and now eggs are down 35% over a short period of time. And other things, fuel, gasoline, energy is down, way down. Oil is down to $65 a barrel. It was $82 a barrel. Then when energy comes down, pricing is going to come down. Prices for groceries, etc. Are going to come down. So yeah, I think we're setting a good table. I will tell you what.

David Pakman (54:50)

So Trump says that a good table is being set because he is starting to see oil down, gas down and eggs down, down. I think it's really important that when Donald Trump makes broad claims about prices, we look at the broad price level. I congratulated Trump to the extent that it's thanks to anything he did, which it isn't, that egg price futures have turned around and have started to come down. It is true that gas prices are down just a trickle. People's home heating bills are off the charts. And I'm hearing from folks in many states where the local utility is saying, we have just made a deal to take 10% of your bill during winter. We're almost out of winter, 10% of your winter bill and defer it forward to the summer. And people telling me about five, six, seven hundred dollar gas bills, electric bills off the charts. So it's really important to look at the bigger picture right now. Inflation's basically flat from when Biden left office. And if we want to look at specific pricing within that, fine. But Trump's claim that the price concerns are over. We haven't, we are only starting to see the effects of the tariffs. Like just a few days ago, we covered a caller to C Span who said, I was just told parts for my project went up 10%. So now the project's going to cost more. The, the idea that because egg futures are down, which they are, and that's a great thing, have not yet seeing the effect at the grocery store, but the futures are down, that doesn't tell us that concerns about inflation are gone. In fact, they don't seem to really have started yet. Trump was then asked about whether he's going to comply with orders about rehiring terminated government workers. Here's what Trump judge that ruled that the federal government has to rehire the fire fired federal workers.

Donald Trump (56:50)

Do you plan to comply? Well, I think it's, I think it's absolutely, I have nothing to do with that other than I heard about the decision. I think it's absolutely ridiculous. Absolutely. It's a judge that's putting himself in the position of the President of the United States who was elected by close to 80 million votes. And you have that.

Donald Trump (57:09)

You're having more and more of that.

Donald Trump (57:11)

It's a very dangerous thing for our country. And I would just expect that we're going to have to get a decision from the Supreme Court. That's a very dangerous decision for our country. These are people in many Cases, they don't show up for work. Nobody even knows if they exist. And a judge wants us to pay them even if they don't know they exist, if they exist. And I don't think that's going to be happening.

David Pakman (57:36)

So listen, the entire these are fake workers thing, as is of course the case, there are many different categories of things when it comes to worker problems. Are there people who are real people, they are alive, they are employed by a company or organization, they work from home, and you wonder how much work are they really doing? Fine, that's, that's one category of problem you then have. Do, do any of these people really exist? And this is the idea that the federal government has people on its payroll who either never existed and it's just someone, someone has done what right? That's the thing. Someone's figured out a way to get someone who doesn't exist name on government payroll. And they've also created a bank account to get money direct deposited. If that exists, it of course should be eliminated. The idea that 83,000 VA workers fall into that category and that's the number of workers the VA needs to get rid of, just ridiculous. Same thing applies to Social Security. The claims about dead people getting checks. Social Security Administration has now put out a statement saying we, you know, we look at about 3 million deaths a year. We know the number of people generally that die in the United States. We get an appropriate number of reports. These are handled, these are processed. Mistakes occur in less than 1/3 of 1% of these and they are quickly corrected. The whole, there's just 300 year old people getting, getting money. 300 year old person. Would they even have a bank account like, it just, it doesn't pass the sniff test. And Trump likes to lump it all together. It's all, we're just finding all the fraud and getting rid of all of it. Finally, Trump asked about the Alien Enemies act and that it's really only used during times of war. And Trump goes, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we're at war. Criticism that the Alien Enemies act has only been invoked three other times.

Donald Trump (59:35)

They were all during times of war.

David Pakman (59:37)

Do you feel that you're using it appropriately right now?

Donald Trump (59:39)

Well, this is a time of war because Biden allowed millions of people, many of them criminals, many of them at the highest level. They empty jails out. Other nations empty their jails into the United States. That's an invasion. And these are criminals, Many, many criminals. Murderers, drug dealers at the highest level, drug lords, people from mental institutions. That's an invasion, they invaded our country. So this is, in that sense, this.

David Pakman (60:12)

Is the self fulfilling, sort of endless loop. Hey, this legal framework, the Alien Enemies act, has only been invoked during times of war. Trump's answer is to say, I consider this, that we are at war. We have a national emergency at the southern border. As far as I'm concerned, we are at war and therefore it is appropriate. Of course, it is not actually the case that just because you say we're at war, we are at war and all of the legal ramifications that that has to come with it. But what you've really got understand if you look at these clips on Twitter, on Twitter, we see these as Trump not understanding anything. He's confused, he's disoriented. You can even tell when he's listening to the questions, he seems confused. Like, what am I going to say? I'll just come up with something. If you look at the comments on Twitter, which is a right wing echo chamber at this point below these clips, people are enamored with this stuff. They go, he's so strong. That's right. He, we are at war and we're at war against them emptying the mental asylums into the country and these things that aren't happening. His followers love this stuff. Love this stuff. And this gets to something we're going to talk about tomorrow, which is not only have we lost a shared basis for what the facts are, we've lost a shared basis for what constitutes a problem. And I know that that might be sort of cryptic. I don't want to do the segment now because it's planned for tomorrow, but we're going to talk about agreeing on facts and agreeing on problems as a prerequisite for really achieving anything politically in this country. We are going to discuss the deportations to Venezuela and El Salvador, despite the court order that Trump was asked about there. On tomorrow's. On today's bonus show, we are also going to talk about Republicans pushing to make Trump derangement syndrome a mental illness. And then finally, as enrollment in online colleges grow, students are wondering, why does it cost more? It really shouldn't, right? What's going on with the cost of online college? All of those stories and more on today's bonus show, Sign up@join pacman.com use the coupon code not again. To get a discount. And we are just eight days from the release of my book, the Echo Machine. You know, we're so close to its release and I've been told books will start going out actually before or by this weekend. You're essentially ordering a book that's, like, out now. You won't get it tomorrow. Okay, but these are starting to ship out within days. Order it anywhere books are sold, Kindle, audiobook, whatever you want. And remember that there's just a couple hundred signed copies left@David pakman.com/booksmith.

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