David Pakman (30:24)
Call their employer. We don't believe in political violence, but we do believe in civility. And there was no civility in the celebration of political assassination. Get involved, get involved, get involved. It's the best way to honor Charlie's legacy. Start a chapter of TP USA or call their employers. So from inside the White House, Vance is encouraging a mass doxxing, encouraging his supporters to get ordinary people fired for what they post online. They claimed to be against this. They this is cancel culture. This is not free speech. This is authoritarian policing of speech. Now, of course, of course private employers can fire people as long as it's not for an illegal reason. We're firing all of our black employees. We're firing all of our Jewish employees. That would be against the law. J.D. vance is not suggesting something that's illegal. J.D. vance is suggesting something they claim to oppose. And they would claim to oppose this sort of authoritarian speech policing. It came from a Democrat. If Barack Obama said call the employers of anyone cheering Trayvon Martin's murder back in the George Zimmerman days, they would have talked about it for decades. It would have been a decades long story. Now, before we get into the substance, I do want to again talk about the hypocrisy, because Stephen Miller was on the show yesterday that JD Vance hosted. We looked at the clip and Jade and Stephen Miller said, we're going to go after the left for the doxing campaigns against conservatives. Miller said, the conservatives are the victims, the conservatives are the targets. And J.D. vance nodded along. And then J.D. vance goes, oh, we're going to do it. We're going to do the same thing. Steven, you're right, it's terrible how the left is doxing the right. By the way, to my audience, please go and dox these left wingers celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder, which by the way, statistically there are almost none of. And in a country of 340 million people, you will of course find anecdotes of just about anything you're looking for. But there is no big movement to glorify the murder of Charlie Kirk. In fact, every serious leftist I know has completely denounced it. And so we go back to the authoritarian playbook. It's projection. You accuse your opponents of doing the thing that you want to do, then you turn it around and do it yourself. And it's very dangerous. And where it gets ugly is that people have already been wrongly identified. You can argue whether this is a good or bad tech tactic. If you get the right people. You could say, no, I think it's wrong or it's right, or social media, you know, Walmart should be looking at every tweet or whatever. But we now have a Walmart IT worker in Maine who was suspended from his job because right wing doxers decided he was mocking Charlie Kirk family fled his home and it turns out that it was not actually this individual. And they have now had to go into hiding as a result of this. And the kicker of course is that the suspect, the alleged shooter in Charlie Kirk's killing, we don't have any reason at this point to believe that it was a left wing extremist. The motive may have ended up something that overlaps more with left or right wing ideology. We don't know. I'll tell you as soon as we do. I have no intent of hiding that at this point in time. Time. But what we know for sure is he came from a MAGA family. His online footprint was this sort of like video game meme space. It was an antifa. It wasn't a coordinated left wing plot. At minimum, we know all of that stuff. But it doesn't matter because the right is using this to sort of get a blank check to justify a crackdown. Now when we zoom in, why do politicians love this whole call their employer tactic? They like it because it chills speech. It gets people to self center censor. If you see that people's employers are getting called and that people are getting fired, you will be scared to post or talk or criticize. And it might right now be about Charlie Kirk, but in a month it might just be about Trump's tariffs or Trump's militarization of police or whatever. It creates this self censorship. And that's the point. And J.D. vance knows you don't really need to get that many people fired. You need people worried that they might get fired. And that's how you can control people without passing any law. And this is not happening in a vacuum. We've seen MAGA politicians float ideas like this about suspending habeas corpus. We've seen Trump talk about using the military against protesters. We've seen Stephen Miller talk about building a blacklist of journalists. And JD Vance takes it a step further, further, which is he's deputizing MAGA voters as soldiers in this culture war. And what they're armed with is an HR department. You know, I'm reading a book called Tunnel 29 about the movement to escape East Germany during the Cold War. And in East Germany they had The Stasi, the secret police. And it was one of the most effective surveillance states in history. And it wasn't because they had awesome technology where they could actually monitor everything everybody was saying. They convinced ordinary people to spy on each other and to report on each other. And. And according to the book I'm reading at one point, something like one, I believe it's one in six East Berlin, East German residents were informers, and they were informing on coworkers and neighbors and family members, even in some cases. And so this is how you control a population. You don't need the brute force, or at least not by itself. You make people afraid that their neighbors are going to turn them in. And the irony, of course, is that these are the people that have been screaming about cancel culture for a decade at this point. They spent years telling us they are the victims of unfair firings. People are losing jobs, people are suffering reputational damage. There's a mob pylon. And the solution they now have is we're going to do cancel culture. So understand, at its core, MAGA doesn't care about free speech. They care about power. If speech is restricted for them, it's tyranny. If your speech is restricted, it's justice, and it's how we build a better society. And if their people get fired, it's persecution. If your people get fired, it's accountability. That's the game they play. Where this leads, if we game it out, is that, you know, it's Charlie Kirk stuff right now that they want to weaponize and get people fired for. Next week, it'll be anybody criticizing Trump. Next month, it'll be journalists who are doing adversarial coverage of the administration. Anybody who questions the MAGA worldview becomes a target. And if you think that sounds extreme, just look at history. 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