9/9/25: Trump’s Epstein drawing released as Dem Governor shuts him down

Summary

The David Pakman Show — September 9, 2025

Episode Title: Trump’s Epstein Drawing Released as Dem Governor Shuts Him Down
Host: David Pakman
Date: September 9, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode delivers a high-intensity analysis of several bombshell stories:

• The release of a previously denied letter and drawing from Donald Trump to Jeffrey Epstein, and the subsequent Republican reactions and denials.
• Democratic Governors (notably Wes Moore) resisting Trump’s ambitions to deploy federal force in cities like Baltimore, and the broader implications for federal-state confrontations.
• A review of the disappointing recent jobs numbers, how Fox News is spinning the data, and related economic discourse.
• The latest legal setbacks for Trump, including his failed appeal in the E. Jean Carroll defamation case.
• Further coverage on Trump’s recent erratic behaviors, authoritarian rhetoric, and his support base’s response.

David Pakman applies his trademark progressive, fact-based commentary, highlighting hypocrisy, media manipulation, and existential threats to democracy.

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Key Segments and Insights

1. Trump's Epstein Drawing: Revelation and Republican Meltdown

[00:07–16:30]

Main Points

• A 2003 birthday book for Jeffrey Epstein, handed over by Epstein’s estate lawyers, includes a letter signed by Trump and a hand-drawn stylized sketch of a woman’s body—contradicting Trump’s vehement public denials.
• Earlier, Trump insisted, “I don’t do drawings. I don’t do drawings of women. That I can tell you.” ([01:25], Trump quoted by Pakman)
• Trump’s shifting statements and attempts to discredit the Wall Street Journal’s reporting led to media and Republican allies scrambling for alternative narratives.

Republican Defenses and Denials

• Congressman Burchett ([06:15]) suggests an “auto pen” or forgery:

  “I've never known Trump to be much of an artist either. So I kind of draw that into question... It’s been there for four years, and now it’s just come out. I just don’t buy it.”

• Eric Trump ([07:46]) trivializes the drawing and reasserts his father’s innocence:

  “It's the most absurd stuff in the world... My father does not sketch out cartoon drawings. I mean, it's insane.”

• Charlie Kirk ([08:15]) attacks the signature’s authenticity, echoing conspiracy:

  “Does the below from the Wall Street Journal look like this actual signature from the President? I don't think so at all. Fake.”

• Caroline Levitt (White House Press Secretary), in what Pakman calls her “peak humiliation,” claims:

  "It's very clear President Trump did not draw this picture and he did not sign it. President Trump’s legal team will continue to aggressively pursue litigation...[08:34]"

Pakman’s Analysis

• The denials, instead of neutralizing the story, signal guilt or awareness of something explosive in the remaining unreleased Epstein files:

  “Whatever the full truth is must be so bad that they are lying even about the authenticity of the letter. And that degree of desperation is the tell. It's grotesque.” ([12:46])

• Pakman challenges the wisdom of Republican defenders, noting the opportunity to distance themselves:

  “Are they going to go the direction of Thomas Massie and say, we just need the files... Or are they going to go the direction of silence, complicity or even defending Donald Trump?”

• The segment draws attention to the GOP’s hypocrisy:

  “A movement based on Trump Will Save the Children is now spending all of the political capital that they have to save Trump from accountability over his ties to a convicted sex trafficker.” ([16:08])

Memorable Quotes

• David Pakman on the authenticity controversy:

  “The train is starting to leave. You've either got to hop on or you're going to miss it.” ([05:30])

• On GOP projection:

  “It's the perfect example of every allegation is a confession. It's a form of projection so thick you could cut it with a meat cleaver.” ([15:51])

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2. Trump vs. Democratic Governors over Federal Militarization

[20:31–26:50]

Main Points

• Trump is threatening to deploy federal force in cities like Baltimore.

• Maryland Governor Wes Moore (Democrat) takes a stand:

  "We do not need an occupation. ... We'll work with anybody, but we will bow down to nobody. We're not built that way." ([22:01], [22:58])

• Pakman analyzes the legal boundaries, referencing past and present governors’ resistance and the risks of federal overreach:

  “The forced militarization of cities against the desires and wishes of both the mayors and the governors is against the law and... not constitutional.” ([23:30])

• JB Pritzker (Illinois Governor) similarly vows to resist, clarifying that Trump's federal agents could only protect federal buildings unless invited by state leadership.

Pakman’s Broader Point

• Autocrats often provoke reactions to justify further escalations:

  “Authoritarians... do things that are already a problem, but they're meant to generate a reaction, and then the reaction is used to justify even more action.” ([25:55])

Notable Quotes

• Governor Wes Moore:

  “We're always going to stand firm for Baltimore, Always.” ([22:44])
  “We're going to fight for our people.” ([23:05])

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3. Disastrous Jobs Numbers: Fox News Can't Spin It

[27:58–35:16]

Main Points

• August saw only 22,000 new jobs (against an expected 75,000), with upwards revisions for prior months turning negative.
• Fox News hosts move from denial to bemused acceptance—Pakman mocks the British accent of Stuart Varney as unable to make the numbers sound positive.

GOP/Media Spin Attempts

• Jesse Watters floats the idea that job losses are due to deportations:

  “And jobs are down because the illegals are gone.” ([31:10])

• Kevin Hassett (former Trump adviser) claims the numbers will be revised up, and that wage growth and capital spending are positive due to Trump’s policies.

• Pakman points out the self-serving inconsistency, mocking Hassett’s optimism:

  “He goes, it’s all going to be revised and fixed. And Bill Hemmer goes, we just had two months in a row revised down.”

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4. JD Vance’s Authoritarian Outburst and GOP Legal Disregard

[35:16–41:35]

Main Points

• VP J.D. Vance tells Brian Krassenstein, “I don’t give a shit,” after being told targeting cartel members without due process could constitute a war crime.
• Senator Rand Paul (despite his own controversial record) criticizes Vance, invoking To Kill a Mockingbird and due process.
• Pakman contextualizes Vance’s remark as indicative of the broader disregard for legal norms among Trump-aligned Republicans:

  “Vance is saying out loud he doesn’t ... give a shit about legal guardrails. That’s terrifying and that’s dangerous.” ([41:26])

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5. Devastating Legal Defeat for Trump: E. Jean Carroll Case

[41:35–47:07]

Main Points

• Trump loses his last chance to overturn the $83 million E. Jean Carroll defamation verdict; his “presidential immunity” defense is deemed invalid.
• The court emphasized the “remarkably high reprehensibility” of Trump’s conduct.
• Pakman notes the difference between campaigning and legal settings:

  “A courtroom is a very different venue from a rally stage. And the things you can say in a rally stage, you can't necessarily say in a courtroom.” ([47:02])

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6. Trump’s Authoritarian and Bizarre Rhetoric

[47:07–58:16]

Key Moments

• Trump, at a press event, tells a reporter, “Be quiet, darling,” and insists it’s now called the Department of War, not Defense.
• Pakman analyses Trump’s language control tendencies:

  “When you say to people, the Department of War, ... you look at it and you go, we’ve got this perfectly nice Department of War here, they should really do some war.”

• Trump touts moving to the “second phase” of sanctions against Russia, but can’t clarify what the first was.
• Discussion of RFK Jr./autism conspiracy theories and anticipation that the campaign will push a Tylenol-pregnancy angle.

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7. Religious Nationalism and Trump’s Religious Support

[52:30–54:16]

Highlights

• At the Museum of the Bible, religious leaders pray over Trump, calling him “anointed and appointed for such a time as this.”

• Pakman’s biting irony:

  “If God chose Trump to be President of the United States not once, but twice—God’s got a sick sense of humor.” ([53:29])

• Trump’s speech minimizes domestic violence, claiming some “little fight with the wife” is now seen as crime, which Pakman condemns as “vile, vile stuff.”

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8. Trump’s Cognitive and Physical Decline

[56:15–61:43]

Examples and Analysis

• Trump claims, “We're in a golden age... so much progress has been made in the last eight months,” which Pakman dismisses mockingly:

  “A self-declared golden age of Trump. ... Just because a two-year-old scribbles something with a crayon doesn’t really mean they’re writing about it.”

• Pakman highlights incoherent anecdotes, memory lapses, and Trump’s increasingly erratic and physically unsteady behavior.
• Discussion of Trump’s mysterious bruised hands and tendency to ramble about trivialities like “grass in parks.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments (With Timestamps)

• On the Epstein letter:
  • “He never did a picture. And he even said he was going to sue Rupert Murdoch over the Wall Street Journal's claim that he wrote this letter to Jeffrey Epstein...” —David Pakman, [00:07]
  • “Trump looked you in the eye and he lied to you.” —David Pakman, [00:49]
• On Republican denials:
  • "I've never known Trump to be much of an artist either. So I kind of draw that into question." —Congressman Burchett, [06:15]
  • "My father does not sketch out cartoon drawings. I mean, it's insane." —Eric Trump, [08:15]
• On legal process:
  • “Vance is saying out loud he doesn’t...give a shit about legal guardrails. That’s terrifying and that’s dangerous.” —David Pakman, [41:26]
• On hypocrisy:
  • “A movement based on Trump Will Save the Children is now spending all of the political capital they have to save Trump from accountability over his ties to a convicted sex trafficker.” —David Pakman, [16:08]

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Summary Table of Key Segments

| Segment | Topic | Key Takeaway | Timestamps | |---------|-------|--------------|------------| | 1 | Trump’s Epstein Letter | The drawing exists, Trump lied, GOP flails to deny | 00:07–16:30 | | 2 | Militarization Standoff | Dem Governors push back against Trump’s threats | 20:31–26:50 | | 3 | Jobs Report | Disastrous numbers, Fox can’t spin it | 27:58–35:16 | | 4 | JD Vance Outburst | Authoritarian disregard for law on display | 35:16–41:35 | | 5 | E. Jean Carroll Ruling | Trump’s legal avenues exhausted | 41:35–47:07 | | 6 | Trump’s Rhetoric | Authoritarian tendencies, language manipulation | 47:07–58:16 | | 7 | Religious Nationalism | Trump’s base prays over him, minimization of domestic violence | 52:30–54:16 | | 8 | Trump’s Health | Signs of cognitive, physical decline | 56:15–61:43 |

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Conclusion

This episode offers a blistering breakdown of Trump’s recent scandals, legal woes, and the GOP’s response—including the deepening culture of denial, projection, and authoritarian rhetoric surrounding the former president. David Pakman emphasizes the dire stakes for democracy and the legal system, sharply critiques the hypocrisy and desperation among Trump’s defenders, and underscores the troubling signals of Trump’s own decline and instability.

Overall Tone: Engaged, openly critical, satirical, and factually grounded—typical of Pakman’s progressive commentary.
Best For: Anyone closely following U.S. political scandals, MAGA movement dynamics, and accountability in public office.

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Listen to the full episode for deeper context and Pakman’s sharp, relentless analysis.

Transcript

[David Pakman]

Ladies and gentlemen, we have the love letter that Donald Trump said didn't exist from him to Jeffrey Epstein. Donald Trump told us he doesn't do drawings. He never did a picture. And he even said he was going to sue Rupert Murdoch over the Wall Street Journal's claim that he wrote this letter to Jeffrey Epstein that included the drawing of a sort of stylized woman's body. But now we've got it. Here is the image handed over by lawyers for Jeffrey Epstein's estate. This is from a professionally bound birthday book from Jeffrey Epstein's birthday in 2003. And right there in inside of it is a letter with Donald Trump's signature, the same letter that he said is fake, the same letter he claims to be suing the Wall Street Journal over. Trump looked you in the eye and he lied to you. Remember when he said the following for the election?

[Guest or Co-host]

Yeah.

[David Pakman]

I think the drawing that was in.

[Guest or Co-host]

The Wall Street Journal report. I don't do drawings. I'm not a drawing person. I don't do drawings. Sometimes he would say, would you do a building? And I'll draw for.

[David Pakman]

I drew a building and a little.

[Guest or Co-host]

Roof, you know, for a charity stuff. But. But I'm not a drawing person. I don't do drawings of women. That I can tell you. They say there's a drawing of a woman and I don't do drawings of women.

[David Pakman]

And indeed, there was a drawing of a woman. DRAMATIC VOICEOVER COMES in Now we are going to see. Remember when Covid started and all of a sudden everybody on Twitter was an epidemiology expert. And then when Trump was indicted of 34 counts of falsifying business records, all of a sudden the amateur epidemiologists became amateur legal experts on the falsification of business records and prosecutorial guidelines. I think all of those people are now going to become amateur handwriting experts. And they already are trying it. It was an auto pen. It's not really Trump's signature. It's a little insert blank. Right. Fill in the blank. But it's abundantly clear that this is real. And we have to analyze this. We have to think about this in the context of the growing opposition from Donald Trump to the full release of the Epstein fight files. He hasn't released them. He said that it's a hoax. He said, my name isn't in there. And also my name is in there, but only because James Comey put my name in there, or something like that. We now have been told by the Justice Department of Trump no new files will be released. We released 33,000 files. That's a red herring. Those files had already been released. What's at issue is the remaining files. We just heard from Epstein's victims last week. Finally, by the way, it's all been about Epstein and Trump, which is legitimate because we're trying to figure out how implicated is Trump. But there are real victims here, people who suffered. And we finally heard from the victims and they said Jeffrey Epstein talked about Trump all the time. And by the way, we can make a list. We know who a lot of the perpetrators are. So this is if as big as this story got, it is only getting bigger now that we have seen the hand drawn image from Donald Trump. And the question in this secondary kind of stage is who, if anybody, from the Republican Party is going to abandon Trump because. And demand the release of the files. Because as you have recently, if you've been paying attention, the last 24 hours, we've seen Eric Trump go, it's all fake. We've seen Charlie Kirk say that's not his handwriting. We've seen a Caroline Levitt come out in what might be her final and peak humiliation and say it's fabricated and it's fake and it's not real. But we already saw, at least Republican Congressman Thomas Massie was willing to say, we've got to release these files. And he did a press conference with some of the victims and now Mag is targeting him. So you are going to see, over the next 24 to 48 hours, you may see, over the next 24 to 48 hours, Republicans are going to have a decision to make. Are they going to go the direction of Thomas Massie and say, we just need the files. There might be Democrats implicated, there might be Republicans implicated, but we need the files. It's what Trump promised initially until he thought to himself, wait a second, that's not a good idea. Or are they going to go the direction of silence, complicity, or even defending Donald Trump? The train is starting to leave. You've either got to hop on or you're going to miss it. And this is going to be a calculation for many of these Republicans as to what is best for their political future, what is best for their access to power and remaining in the good graces of whoever is in charge. So the letter is here. It's abundantly obvious now why Donald Trump is so terrified about the full release of the files. But what are some of his allies saying? Let's get to that next. Many allies of Donald Trump are melting down over what could be the final nail in the coffin of. I don't know anything about Epstein. We have now the drawing that Donald Trump made and sent to Jeffrey Epstein. The drawing which Trump claimed didn't exist. The drawing which Trump claimed he didn't do. But there are people defending Donald Trump. One example is Congressman Burchett, who said maybe an auto pen was used. Trump's not really an artist, might be a forgery. That's what some of them are going with. Take a listen to this.

[Congressman Burchett]

I mean, anybody can do a signature. We've seen the auto pins been used quite a bit with the Biden administration. So I've never known Trump to be much of a. Of an artist either. So I kind of draw that into question.

[Guest or Co-host]

There's a history of him drawing.

[Congressman Burchett]

Thing is, it's. It's been there for four years and now it's just come out. I just don't buy it.

[David Pakman]

So you think really, someone might have.

[Congressman Burchett]

Just forged this somehow and sent this somehow? It's so easy to do. I just, I just don't buy any of it right now. Because we have a administrative prior administration that's had a history of dishonesty, and they bring something like this out now, why wouldn't they bring it out during the campaign?

[David Pakman]

We now have a new hypothesis from Burchett, which is the signature on the drawing from Trump to Epstein might have been forged. It might have been done with. With an auto pen in 2003 to set up Donald Trump when Trump was still a Democrat 22 years ago, before he ever considered running for president as a Republican. Just in case they forged a letter from Trump to Epstein so they could have it. What, in case exactly this scenario came to light. Eric Trump didn't even come up with something as creative as that. Eric Jump. Trump just said, daddy doesn't do sketches. He doesn't do drawings. That's what Eric Trump is going with.

[Eric Trump]

Well, you know, it's something also beyond all this stuff. The news story today is that the stupid drawing, you know, that your dad allegedly gave to Epstein, and you and I actually were sitting around joking about this a while back when it first came out. We were like, this is the most absurd stuff in the world. But Mike Johnson is like, walking back last week, he said, oh, you know, he was an FBI asset in the whole prosecution. Then he tried to walk it back. So this is like the dumbest thing in the world, I can tell you.

[Charlie Kirk]

My father does not sketch out cartoon drawings. I mean, it's insane. Not to mention Epstein's lawyer said he asked specifically about Donald Trump and Donald Trump never once came up, and there was no correlation. And it's ironic, given that my father was the very guy that threw him out of the club because he thought he was a scumbag. My father's intuition was actually incredibly right.

[David Pakman]

But, you know, there are so many lies in there that it's hard to keep up with them. First of all, I mean, let's be honest, calling this a drawing is a little bit of an exaggeration. I mean, it's, it's, it's just a couple of lines. It's not even really a drawing. It's sort of like the outline of a woman's body and then the outline of breasts, and then Trump signed the thing. Like, Trump may not be a guy who draws, but this barely even qualifies as a drawing. Eric Trump is also doing revisionist history because he's panicking and they have nothing else. It's all coming off the walls. The other lie that Eric Trump is telling is Trump found out Epstein was a scumbag and he kicked them out of the club. We know that that timeline is totally fake and fabricated. The reality is that Epstein remained a member of Trump's club for a full year after the allegations came out about him. And Trump most recently said actually they had a falling out because Epstein stole an underage employee from Trump's spa to go and work for him. So even the circumstances of the separation are something Eric Trump is lying about and seem more incriminating than they do exculpatory. Now, some of the other usual suspects are also jumping in on this to defend Donald Trump. One of them is Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk put out an excretion on X really nasty one where he said, does the below from the Wall Street Journal look like this actual signature from the President? I don't think so at all. Fake. And the reality, of course, is that it is indeed Donald Trump's signature. Aaron Blake put posted to Twitter Donald Trump's signature from the alleged letter to Jeffrey Epstein, the drawing, and then has a number of other letters that show that at that point in time, yes, it is a different signature than Trump uses today. But at that, at that point in time in the 90s and at other points in time, that was exactly Donald Trump's signature. And then finally, George Conway, friend of the show, has been on the show a bunch of times. He even published a letter he received from Trump in 2006. It's a dear George letter because his name is George Conway, and it says sincerely. And it's that Exact same signature where Trump adds, P.S. you have a truly great voice. Certainly not a bad asset for a top trial lawyer. Trump likes, or at least he did during the 1990s. Trump liking, I'm sorry, not, not the 90s. In 2006, Trump liked George Conway's voice. So whatever the amateur handwriting analysts now come up with, it is indeed Donald Trump's signature. Why would someone fabricate that with an auto pen 22 years ago? It doesn't make any sense. They have gotten caught. But the next question became Caroline Levitt's not going to say it's fake, right? Ok. Charlie Kirk puts out an excretion on saying it's. It's fake. A congressman, okay, but the official spokeswoman for the president, she's not going to say it's fake, is it? Say it ain't. So that's exactly what she did. White House press secretary Caroline Levitt has reached the defending the indefensible stage of her career putting out a disgusting excretion on X. These used to be tweets. It used to be Twitter and we called them tweets. Now it's X. These are excretions. She put out an excretion saying that the letter now revealed that was sent by Donald Trump to Jeffrey Epstein with a sort of esoteric drawing of a woman's body is fake. The Wall Street Journal has published the photographic proof of the infamous Epstein birthday letter. Trump previously said it didn't exist. And in Russia's Caroline Levitt to declare it is fake news, she posted, quote, the latest piece published by the Wall Street Journal proves this entire birthday card story is false. As I have said all along, it's very clear President Trump did not draw this picture and he did not sign it. President Trump's legal team will continue to aggressively pursue litigation. Furthermore, the quote, reporter Joe Palazzo Low Palazzolo, who wrote this catch it job, reached out for comment at the exact same minute he published his story, giving us no time to respond. This is fake news. To perpetuate the Democrat Epstein hoax. The only there is a little problem with this estimate. As Donald Trump likes to say, it is so obviously real that even a seven year old would be able to realize that the letter has typewritten text inside the outline of a naked woman. It ends with Happy Birthday bears a signature that actual handwriting experts and journalists have said this was Trump's signature at that point in time. The verdict at this point is that this is authentic. It is something Donald Trump has been caught lying about. So why would Caroline Levitt deny something that, on its own isn't even criminal. And that's a critical point. They could be saying, so what? So what? That Trump sent Epstein a letter. This was before Trump knew Epstein was a creep. And it was part of a 50th birthday book that was written. It is not evidence of any crime. Are you going to accuse Trump of having committed a crime because he sent this letter? Well, then you might as well accuse everyone in the picture book, in the letter book of having committed a crime. They could go with that. They could say, he wrote a letter, he later found out Epstein was a creep, they went their separate ways, Trump kicked them out of Mar a Lago. There's nothing criminal here. But they aren't going with that because they must know what isn't yet public. If they acknowledge, of course, after lying, that the letter is real, we would naturally start saying, what did Trump and Epstein do behind closed doors? Whatever the full truth is must be so bad that they are lying even about the authenticity of the letter. And that degree of desperation is the tell. It's grotesque. Now, on the Friday show, during our Friday Feedback segment, I'm going to address a question that came in from someone in the audience, which is, do I think that Caroline Levitt, who is in her 20s now, is going to regret this when she's older? Is she going to look back and say, those were my youthful indiscretions? A little more than that. Right. That sort of is an understatement of it, because she is reaching a new low. Defending a man credibly tied to a sex trafficker's inner circle, pretending the evidence has been forged, spinning conspiracy theories about the media. This is what Caroline Levitt's political career has become. Not explaining Trump's perspective on foreign policy and economic theory. Now, because Trump barely has any ideas about that, did she imagine growing up that she was going to go to war, not literal war, but metaphorical war, for the reputation of a guy now linked to a sex trafficking ring? Is her legacy going to be that burying allegations against Donald Trump? And so this is a denial that makes them look. I mean, it's more than dishonest. It makes them look guilty. And I've been saying time and time again, I am not going to speculate as to what is in the files. It might be that what's in the files are allegations or incriminating evidence about Trump's friends. And either because Trump is trying to be a good friend or because he has personal reasons to, to try to save his friends, he doesn't Want those coming out. That might be it. Or it could be that Trump's name is in the Epstein files as someone much friendlier with Epstein than he has admitted, and it would just make him look bad. There's nothing criminal in the files. Doesn't say Trump is a perpetrator. Maybe that's all it is. Or maybe there is incriminating stuff about Trump as a perpetrator in there. I don't know. Until we see it, it doesn't make sense to guess after Trump said, I didn't do the drawing and the drawing came out and Caroline Levitt is denying that it's real and saying it's a forgery. It pushes me in the direction of what's in there. Must be on the end of it's worse than. It's not so bad. And for years, the irony, by the way, that for years, Trump's movement has pushed the conspiracy theory that Hillary Clinton and Biden were running a child sex trafficking ring. Remember, it was Pizzagate and Kuhnen and all of that. They built a culture of outrage around the idea that Democrats were covering up for predators. And now they are falling over themselves to defend a man who spent years partying with Jeffrey Epstein and even lied about sending him birthday card. The same people who said, when Trump's in office, we're going to expose the truth. Child exploitation under Democrats is finally going to end. And now we have evidence of Trump's friendship with Epstein. And he says, and Caroline Levitt says, and Charlie Kirk says, and Eric Trump says the media should stop talking about it because it's a hoax. It's the perfect example of every allegation is a confession. It's a form of projection so thick you could cut it with a meat cleaver. And they accuse their enemies of the worst possible crimes, not because they have evidence, but because they need a smokescreen for what they are actually doing. The irony is almost too much to process. A movement based on Trump Will Save the Children is now spending all of the political capital that they have to save Trump from accountability over his ties to a convicted sex trafficker. That's where we are, and it's disgusting. And they've been caught. 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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Guest or Co-host]

Everybody else that makes money to fund themselves is bad.

[David Pakman]

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[Governor Wes Moore]

We do not need an occupation.

[David Pakman]

And.

[Governor Wes Moore]

We do not need people putting in performative and theatrical resources because they do not care about the actual results that they're trying to hope for. If you want to learn what works, come down, come spend time, come learn, come learn. And come learn that we're what we need, that we are the change we've been waiting for, and that progress is not impossible. Progress can happen, but it only happens when we choose to work together, and that's what today represents. We're always going to stand firm for Baltimore, Always.

[Charlie Kirk]

Like I said.

[Governor Wes Moore]

We will work with anybody, but we will bow down to nobody. We're not built that way, y'.

[David Pakman]

All.

[Governor Wes Moore]

We're going to fight for our people. We're going to.

[David Pakman]

So one of the comments that I saw frequently in response to this is, you know, if. If Baltimore is so safe, why does West Moore have a security detail with him? Which is, quite frankly, a very stupid thing to say. I don't know that there's any governor that doesn't have security with them. When I saw Wes Moore speak a few months ago at a. At a venue where there was obviously no security issue, he still had, I think very often with governors at state police, he still had two guys from. I presume it's Maryland State Police with him. That's not really proof of anything. And if you want to go with that, I mean, apply it to Trump. If D.C. is so safe, why does Trump have 100 people in different concentric circles doing security? It's a very stupid argument. What isn't a stupid argument is the legal argument that the forced militarization of cities against the desires and wishes of both the mayors and the governors is against the law and that it's not constitutional. Now, J.B. pritzker is also not laying down and taking it. J.D. pritzker says, Listen, we are going to follow the law if we don't request federal militarization of Chicago or of other parts of Illinois. They can come here, but they're only allowed to do what the law allows them to do. And J.B. pritzker correctly identified that without the. The welcome of mayors and governors, Trump can send federal law enforcement to Illinois to guard federal buildings. That's what they would be allowed to do. And there are some other nominal tasks that they can do, but they can't do more than that. But we've learned that saying you're not allowed to do something doesn't really mean anything unless there's a mechanism of enforcement. And that's where this could potentially get ugly. And. And I hope that it doesn't. And where it could get ugly is that if indeed Donald Trump decides to go forward, Baltimore, Chicago, whatever the case may be, and the states and cities say we are going to physically resist the presence of this federal law enforcement, how ugly does that get? And what ultimately happens in terms of does that create more chaos or does it solve it? And that's what loops me all the way back to one of the kind of hallmarks and typical characteristics of the way these authoritarians like to work. We can look back at 150 years of world history and find this idea. You know, in fact, I'm reading a very interesting book right now. Let me make sure I get the name of the book right. The book is called Tunnel 29. It's by Helena Merriman. And it's about the time in Berlin when the leading up to when the Berlin Wall went up and the sort of political circumstances surrounding it, and the sort of idea of authoritarians and autocrats doing things that are already a problem, but they're meant to generate a reaction, and then the reaction is used to justify even more action. That's often the way that it goes. And so we have a real possibility here. And this is why there's been so much of this, don't take the bait stuff from JB Pritzker and from others. And we saw totally peaceful protesting in Chicago over the weekend. Part of what authoritarians want is to generate or debate an extreme reaction so that then they can go, it's gotten really chaotic in Chicago. Now we need to send in the Marines. Well, did it get chaotic for no reason or did it get chaotic because of something that you did? And so Wes Moore seems to recognize that. J.B. pritzker seems to recognize that. What will happen if the confrontation becomes physical? I ask it. I hope it's a rhetorical question. I don't really want to find out. I don't think it would be good for the country, that's for sure. Fox News hosts are starting to realize Trump crashed it on live television. Over the last few days since this disastrous jobs report, we have seen Fox News host after host after anchor after analyst after host acknowledge things are not going particularly well. Now, some of them are minimizing, some of them are blaming Biden, but they mostly all are recognizing these numbers aren't very good. And you can see the recognition on their faces. We will start with the announcement that the 22,000 jobs that were added in August, a fraction, a pathetic fraction of the expected number, not to mention a downward revision as well. Take a listen.

[Fox News Host (Bill Hemmer or Stuart Varney)]

I showed you 22,000 jobs added in the month of August. That was much less than the expectation of 75,000 guys. The July number was revised. I will get to revisions in a moment. Unemployment rate coming in, as expected, 4.3%. So that would be higher than July's 4.2% again.

[David Pakman]

So this is like step one. The numbers aren't good. Jobs numbers down. Unemployment up.

[Fox News Host (Bill Hemmer or Stuart Varney)]

22,000 jobs added in August. Let me get you the revisions because this is what everybody is focused on. For June and July together, combined 21,000 jobs lower than previously reported. I'll, I'll categorize that now. So you see, for June, it was Revised down by 27,000, getting you to negative 13,000. And the change for July up by 6,000, getting you to 79,000.

[David Pakman]

So they've gone from denial to acceptance. They are now acknowledging the numbers aren't good. Even a British accent couldn't make these jobs numbers sound good. Here is Stuart Varney acknowledging that this is disappointing data.

[Guest or Co-host]

Disappointing jobs data. Only 54,000 private sector jobs added. And look at this. The Yield on the ten year treasury below 4.2%. The two year down around 3.61%.

[David Pakman]

All right, so listen, they're accepting it and they are saying this isn't good, this is disappointing. This is a real problem. They then brought on the guy from the Pawn Stars show who, who's a big Republican, big supporter of Donald Trump. His name's Rick Harrison. And Bill Hemmer asks him what's going on. And Harrison goes, no, you know what? Tourism is down. A lot of my customers at the pawn shop are tourists. Business is down.

[Charlie Kirk]

What about inflation? What about the economy? What about tariffs? What about jobs? Do you see any of that playing a factor here? A little bit. I mean, international tourism is definitely down over 50%. Over 50% of the people I get in my store are international people. And I see that. See, that is down.

[David Pakman]

Oh, that's not so good. Now, why you would bring on Rick Harrison for a segment about economics. That's a, that's a different question altogether, but a question for a different day. Then they go into the equivocations and this is where it starts to get a little messy and a lot more pathetic. Donald Trump's own former press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany says, you know, part of the reason that the jobs numbers are down is we've reported we've deported so many undocumented immigrants. There is a little problem with that, which is that deported people aren't counted as unemployed because they are not filing for unemployment.

[Fox News Host (Bill Hemmer or Stuart Varney)]

I think people stand on that side.

[Guest or Co-host]

They do.

[David Pakman]

And jobs are down because the illegals are gone. Sorry. And it's Kayleigh McEnany is throwing it over to Jesse Watters. It's not Kelly saying this, it's Jesse Watters who makes this very dumb argument.

[Guest or Co-host]

They do.

[David Pakman]

And jobs are down because the illegals are gone.

[Charlie Kirk]

When you leave, 2 million illegals leave.

[David Pakman]

The country, you're not going to have.

[Charlie Kirk]

As many people working.

[David Pakman]

And the people that are working are Americans, Jessica. And that number will be revised. I wonder if they'll be talking about the revised number and when he gets.

[Fox News Host (Bill Hemmer or Stuart Varney)]

The right person in the job, maybe.

[David Pakman]

Well, last time the numbers were revised down, not up. And of course, this is a farce. So there's two stories similar to this that they are talking about to make these numbers not seem so bad. One is, listen, a lot of the job losses are government jobs, stupid jobs, unnecessary jobs, jobs that Trump promised to get rid of. And so it's Doge doing its work. But the problem with that is if you look at other sectors, like manufacturing jobs, numbers are down. Why would manufacturing jobs be down if it's pointless paper pushing federal government jobs that are being eliminated? And then the other one is, we've deported so many people. That's why the unemployment rate is going up. Well, the deported people aren't filing for unemployment for years. They told us, oh, unemployment only measures people who have filed for unemployment. That's the U3. You've also got the U6. But these are technical details they don't care for. For years they said we can't trust the unemployment rate because only people on unemployment are counted. And now they're going, oh, the deported people are what are bringing up the unemployment rate? No, they're not. Those people haven't filed for unemployment. So it is bad idea after, bad idea after. And then ultimately we get to questions directly for Kevin Hassett. Why was the jobs report from August no good? Here's what Kevin Hassett had to say.

[Charlie Kirk]

Go ahead and get your hot take. It's not the number you wanted. It was not the number that was expected.

[David Pakman]

How come?

[Charlie Kirk]

Right. Well, one of the things we know is that they've been really at bls, struggling with bad response rates. And Goldman Sachs put out a study yesterday that said that they've been messing up the August seasonal so much that over the last 10 to 15 years, they've tended to have to revise up the number one.

[David Pakman]

Right. The seasonality is confusing to them and it's all, it's all so confusing all.

[Charlie Kirk]

Of a sudden around almost 70,000 jobs when they get the new final survey. So is their fault. And so. Well, I'm saying that this number, we expect this number will be revised up. That sped the pattern over and over. And if that happens, that will be consistent with all the other indicators we're seeing. Industrial Production is at an all time high. Capital spending is up 8% over the first half of the year after it being mostly flat under Joe Biden. And also within the jobs report we got today, there are a lot of really interesting and positive patterns. Thing one is that all the job creation is private sector job creation, government work workers who actually their employment declined by 100,000. Job creation is native born workers, whereas about half of the job creation under Biden was foreign born workers. And so there are a lot of real positive things to see. And the final thing is that the wage numbers are fantastic. The wage, wage growth is almost at 4%, which means that the typical wage earner in America right now has gotten a $500 raise already because of Donald Trump's policy. Okay, so the revisions for June and July collectively were lower. Were lower.

[David Pakman]

Oh, that's genius. He goes, it's all, it's all going to be revised and fixed. And Bill Hemmer goes, we just had two months in a row revised down.

[Charlie Kirk]

And the revisions for next month will come back. We'll see whether or not that's the case. Yeah, there's another big revision next week. But, but the point is that, that these numbers, they're reason why they're getting revised so much is that these numbers are based on surveys and people are kind of not filling out the surveys until the last minute. And so the share of surveys have actually been filled out at the beginning of month is way lower than it used to be.

[David Pakman]

Think about what Hassett is arguing. He's saying the August jobs report isn't really that bad because it's going to be revised up, meaning you'll be able to trust the upward revision. But at the same time, they're arguing that the June and July downward revisions aren't reliable. But so how is it that the August revision, if favorable to you, will be reliable? But we have to discount the June and July revisions as unreliable, either because the BLS chief that Trump fired was not trustworthy or because people are waiting to file to fill out their surveys. How can they have it both ways? Because they are no longer held accountable for inconsistency. Fox is realizing we have no damn way to spin it. The numbers are just starting to get bad. Fall is here. The nights are getting cooler. It's cozier. Hot baked goods feel like a great treat. And our sponsor Wild Grain is the first bake from frozen subscription box for artisanal breads, pastries and pastas. 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The vice president, J.D. vance, tweeted, I don't give a shit to one of the Krassenstein brothers when it was pointed out to him that using the military to go after cartels without due process is considered a war crime. Now there is some legal debate about that. It's not an open and shut case and it warrants a little more evaluation. But JD Vance just flat out said in very vice presidential language, I don't give a shit when it was pointed out that it could be a war crime. And so this was not like a throwaway off the cuff thing. It was really a window into how these guys treat laws and norms supposedly meant to keep the world's most powerful military in check. And we have to consider that they don't really care about the law. At the end of the day, this is really far more about the degree to which they want to further their own agenda. No matter what the law says. J.D. vance tweeted, killing cartel members who poison our fellow citizens is the highest and best use of our military. To which Bryant Krasenstein responded, killing the citizens of another nation who are civilians without any due process is called a war crime. And JD Vance says, I don't give a shit what you call it. What we, what we do know is that the American military can't just be used for whatever the President wants that we know. And we know that at home there's this thing, the Posse Comitatus act, that's been on the books since 1878 to make sure that the armed forces aren't used as the President's personal police. Now there are exceptions. You've got the Insurrection Act. They're Rare. They're supposed to really be used for actual breakdowns of civil authority, not for political disagreements, not for protests. So that's the domestic part of it. This other thing about going into other countries, going after cartels, accidentally killing fishermen and civilians, and the entire thing, it's illegally, you know, under the Geneva Conventions and international law, war crimes happen during armed conflicts, and they do involve things like deliberately targeting civilians. That's true. Using the military inside the US Is not automatically a war crime. Using the military outside the US And a civilian accidentally dies, it's not necessarily a war crime. It's legally complicated. There's this argument over, well, does it matter if it's a legally declared war or not? A lot of people believe that that's what matters was, was war declared. And the law is more complicated than that as well. But what I found really interesting here was actually Senator Rand Paul's response. It's one of those a terrible person happened to say something that is correct. He tweeted, quote, JD I don't give a shit. Vance says killing people he accuses of a crime is the highest and best use of the military. Did he ever read To Kill a Mockingbird? Did he ever wonder what might happen if the accused were immediately executed without trial or representation? What a despicable and thoughtless sentiment it is to glorify killing someone without a trial. Now, there's two sides to this. Number one, obviously, Rand Paul is correct. These laws exist for a reason, and due process is. To call it important is such an understatement. At the same time, Rand Paul has a history of excusing a lot of vile and despicable behavior. Rand Paul could have voted to convict Donald Trump after He incited the Jan.6 riots. He didn't vote that way. That's just one example in the Senate. And so this is one of those things where, you know, if you've been following the online reaction, there have been some Republicans who have been saying, I don't agree with this element of what's being done domestically, or I don't agree with that element of using the military to go after cartels in the way that Donald Trump is threatening to do. But Rand Paul, as are most of these Republicans, he is a complete and total hypocrite. Now, critics of J.D. vance say this is why Vance might be more dangerous than Trump. And so when we think about this, if Trump were to die, if Trump were to be impeached and removed, if Trump, whatever, 25th Amendment, if by any scenario, Donald Trump's presidency Donald Trump's reign ends short of this presidential term and someone else takes over. There is a reasonable fear that it may not be a particularly good thing for the country because Vance is more the type of guy who will quietly follow orders from the donors and from the party bosses and just make horrible stuff happen with a lot less bluster. And. And he might end up having an easier time crossing lines than Donald Trump has because he would do it quietly. The bottom line, the bigger picture is Vance is saying out loud he doesn't, to use his term, give a shit. He doesn't give a shit about legal guardrails. That's terrifying and that's dangerous. And when we talk about authoritarianism, that's what we're talking about, not caring about the legal guardrails. Donald Trump has just lost his last opportunity to overTurn the massive $83 million verdict in the Aegean Carol defamation case. This is devastating legal news for the traffic cone Orange president. This is not a ruling about the size of the penalty. This is a court flat out rejecting the entire defense that Donald Trump put together. The judges said Trump's conduct towards Aegean Carroll was remarkably high in reprehensibility. It may be unprecedentedly high. It wasn't one comment. The court noted that Trump's attacks on Carol got worse during and then after the verdict was determined. Trump has already been hit with a separate $5 million verdict in another Jean Carroll case. That one was upheld in June. This is the $83 million judgment that includes 18 million for emotional and reputational harm, 65 million in punitive damages, which the court said is reasonable given the facts of the case. The immunity claim that Trump attempted to use here was really like a last ditch effort. And it hinges on the idea that because Trump made his 2019 comments as president, he should be protected. The court wasn't buying it. These were not comments Trump made in his role as president. Just being president at the time doesn't mean that what you're doing is related to your role as president. The court also upheld the lower trial judge's decision to block parts of Donald Trump's testimony. Like when he said, I was just defending the presidency, that was blocked. And the court has upheld that because it just, it's not valid testimony. And a jury had already decided as to the verdict of that case. So we've now had the delays and appeals and Trump treating the courts like another campaign stop. This is it. The Supreme Court could step in seems extraordinarily unlikely. I haven't seen a serious legal commentator say that The Supreme Court is likely to step in on this, which makes this the last stop on the bus. And it's worth remembering that this is just one of Donald Trump's legal battles. He's still appealing the criminal conviction for the falsifying of business records. He's fighting civil cases with Jean Carroll. We're getting to the end of the road here. And for Trump, it apparently is going to turn into a really expensive reminder that a courtroom is a very different venue from a rally stage. And the things you can say in a rally stage, you can't necessarily say in a courtroom. So devastating, devastating legal news for Donald Trump. And there's a sort of zoom out here, which is if Trump lives to the end of his term, a bunch of legal stuff for Trump has been suspended, but not ended while he is President of the United States. When Donald Trump leaves office in 2029, he will be, I guess, 82 and a half. And he has quite a list of legal issues that are at least potentially going to be taken up then. Now, between now and then, we don't know, is someone going to try to step in to mitigate that? Could a Republican president who replaces Trump pardon Trump for everything and put an end to this stuff? That would only apply to criminal federal law, wouldn't apply to civil lawsuits, wouldn't apply to state law. So it's a complicated thing. But is there going to be an appetite politically? Is there going to be an appetite legally? And are judges going to say, I'm going to carry forward with this once Donald Trump is the 82 year old former president? I don't know the answer to that. Donald Trump lost it on a reporter called her darling and said, be quiet. Also correcting her that it is no longer the Department of Defense, it is now the Department of War. When you say that, darlin, that's fake news. Oh, God.

[Guest or Co-host]

Listen.

[David Pakman]

Be quiet.

[Guest or Co-host]

Listen. You don't listen.

[David Pakman]

Be quiet and listen.

[Guest or Co-host]

Never listen. That's why you're second rate. We're not going to war. We're going to clean up our city. We're going to clean them up so they don't kill five people every weekend. That's not war, that's common sense.

[David Pakman]

Look at Trump leaning over her with just reeking of condescension. This mocking gesture mean truly just vile, vile stuff. The whole, I want to talk about the whole Department of War thing. Authoritarians love to control the language. And it's been said before, and it's true to a degree that you can control society by controlling Language, I mean, just calling it the Gulf of America rather than the Gulf of Mexico implies a sort of ownership of sorts that makes people tolerate different things and see it differently. The idea being the language we use has a significant effect. And when you say to people, the Department of War, and if they're not doing war, on some level, you look at it and you go, we've got this perfectly nice Department of War here. They should really do some war. That's what would make sense for them to do. That's what their primary duty is. And so this Department of War thing is not. Is not nothing. Trump was asked, are you ready to move on the second phase of sanctions against Russia? Trump says, yes. Question one is what was the first phase? And question two is, let me guess, we're just two weeks away, aren't we? Are you ready to move to the.

[Guest or Co-host]

Second phase of sanctions against Russia?

[David Pakman]

Yeah, I am. I don't think Trump could tell us what the first phase of sanctions against Russia actually was, but I guess we're probably just a couple of weeks away from it. We're also getting dangerously close to Bobby Kennedy Jr. Telling us the answers for autism. Part of what was the question that we're going to. We're about to get the answers. I'd love to know what the question was. Take a listen, RFK Jr. Well, he's.

[Guest or Co-host]

A different kind of a guy. He's got a lot of good ideas, but he's got a lot of ideas. You know, normally they don't have any ideas, and that's why we have problems with autism and so many other things, because we're coming up with the answers for autism. You watch. We're coming up with the answers for other things that normal people, regular people, easy to get along with people wouldn't be able to do. He's got a lot of ideas, and so do I. We're going to.

[David Pakman]

I'm going to preview for you. Apparently, they're going to blame autism on Tylenol. There's been a leaked report that they will be blaming autism on Tylenol during pregnancy. Something which, by the way, has already been looked at. It doesn't, doesn't seem super strong. And then finally, Trump asked, are you going to attack cartels inside of Venezuela? And Trump, very cagey, are you considering attacking the cartels inside of Venezuela? You attack.

[Guest or Co-host]

What are you going to find out?

[David Pakman]

You're going to find out real Nobel Peace Prize sort of stuff here. You know, for all of the claims that this is the peace president, there is a lot of really hawkish, warmongering threats to use the military. Use of the military. I'm kind of starting to think that this may not really have been the peace president the way Tulsi Gabbard told us that he would be. Many of us know all too well about the sticking, rubbing and chafing that you can get with traditional underwear. Our sponsor, Sheath Underwear, have created unique boxer briefs with multiple ergonomic compartments in the front, which prevents skin on skin. And that means everything stays separate, comfortable, dry and cool. You will have a boost of confidence when you're out and about. I've known so many people who were skeptical about those compartments, friends who say, I heard that ad for sheath. What about those compartments? And then they try it and then they're amazed at the comfort and breathability when they finally try it. You will thank yourself. Plus, Sheath has brand new materials like bamboo and mesh for even more cooling comfort. They will be the most comfortable pair of boxer briefs you ever put on. No more sweatiness and chafing and readjusting, especially at the gym. It's a lifesaver. Give sheath underwear a shot. I've had a great experience. I think you will to head over to sheath underwear.com/pacman and get 20% off with code Pakman. The link is in the description. An extremely haggard looking Donald Trump addressed the White House Religious Liberty Commission at the Museum of the Bible. Now, I could, I could stop the story there and it would already be crazy, but the content was actually what was really completely whacked out. They prayed over Trump and Trump kind of smirked. Trump loves being seen as a pseudo deity. Anyone who sees him as godlike that he likes very much.

[Religious Leader at Museum of the Bible]

Will you all stand with me as we rededicate America to one nation under God? Father, we thank you for this time that we have together. Lord God, we thank you that we can gather together as faithful people, as faithful leaders, as denomination leaders, as religious leaders. Father, we thank you for our president, Donald J. Trump. Father God, whom you have anointed and appointed for this time, for such a time as this, Lord, thank you that the president prioritizes prayer. Father God, that he sees the power, the importance, the priority of praying together as a people, as a country, as a nation. Father, we in this place today, in this great museum of the Bible, Father God, we lift up our president, Lord God, we lift up his family, we lift up God, our vice president, our cabinet and everyone, God who serves in this administration through all branches of government.

[David Pakman]

Father, help us, you know, if, if God chose Trump to be President of the United States not once, but twice. God's got a sick sense of humor, that we can tell you for sure. Now then Trump actually got to a speech looking extremely haggard and low energy. And in a disgusting moment, Trump, in bragging about how great things are going in Washington, D.C. thanks to his militarization, he sort of minimized the idea that when something happens at home between a man and wife, they call it a crime. It sure sounds like the guy found liable for sexually assaulting Jean Carroll is sort of minimizing or dismissing domestic violence.

[Guest or Co-host]

Now it's more than 87%, virtually nothing and, and much lesser things, things that take place in the home they call crime. You know, they'll do anything they can to find something. If a man has a little fight with the wife, they say this was a crime, See? So now I can't claim 100%, but.

[David Pakman]

Just a little fight. Just the man smacking around his wife after she burnt the chicken fingers. And all of a sudden police are involved and they're saying there's crime in D.C. can you believe that? Listen to this guy. The guy who was accused of sexual assault by his first wife in her book is saying, why are the police getting involved with these domestic violence?

[Guest or Co-host]

We are. We are a safe city. You can walk to a restaurant, you can walk to the White House. If you work there, you can walk to the Capitol. And even the Democrats, I can't believe it, but they don't want to admit it, but I can't believe it. We could do the same thing in Chicago, New York, Los Angeles. We did it.

[David Pakman]

We saved that. A threat or a promise, by the way, last time I was in D.C. a few weeks ago, before the militarization, I walked to the White House, I walked to the Capitol. It was at night. I walked back from dinner around 10pm in exactly the areas Trump is describing, and it was fine. That doesn't mean there aren't high crime areas of D.C. doesn't mean cities have. It doesn't mean cities don't have crime. All of that is true. But give me a break, guys. Give me a break. Covering up the Epstein files. Liable for sexually assaulting Eugene Carroll, accused of sexual assault by his first wife in her book, accused by dozens of women of sexual assault. And he's going, oh, it's just like they're calling this domestic violence stuff a crime. How can that be Trump putting on his humble hat and saying that no one has ever made as much progress as in eight months as president, as what Donald Trump has done over the last eight months. A humble statement.

[Guest or Co-host]

So we're doing, we're in a golden age. We're at the very beginning of a golden age. So much progress has been made in the last eight months.

[David Pakman]

A self declared golden age of Trump.

[Guest or Co-host]

Progress like nobody's ever seen before. They're writing about it, they're actually saying it. They've never seen anything like what's happened in the list eight months.

[David Pakman]

You know, just because a two year old scribbles something with a crayon doesn't really mean they're writing about it. I don't know if Donald Trump understands that. Trump then entering slow snowflake mode, going from total self centered egomaniac. They're writing about the most successful eight months of presidency ever into snowflake mode. Where he goes, you know, Biden was really mean. He, he was a mean guy.

[Guest or Co-host]

They were stone cold mean. But Joe Biden and the Biden, they were mean people. What they did to people, what they did to J6 what they did to so many people, they were mean people.

[David Pakman]

They were so mean to the rioter.

[Guest or Co-host]

These were really radical, horrible people. And he wasn't that way 20 years ago. He was never the, the brightest bulb in the ceiling, but he was, he was a man who wasn't overly mean that I saw, but boy, he became really mean. And is it, there were stone, just.

[David Pakman]

Absolutely ghoulish, ghoulish shadows on Donald Trump and then finally his memory completely going. And we'll get to that in a moment. Trump says he just left the Middle East. It's been four months since he was there.

[Guest or Co-host]

Leaders from all over the world that talked to me, they say, your country is in trouble. And I just left the Middle East. King of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, uae, a lot of the big countries and I was with the heads of Naito, the Naito nations, all of them. Everyone said essentially the same thing, that a year ago your country was dead and now you have the hottest country anywhere in the world. It's true.

[David Pakman]

It's hot. It's hot, folks. That was four months ago. And Trump says he just left the Middle East. What's more disturbing, that Trump can't remember a damn thing, that Trump is criminally self centered and egomaniacal or that they prayed over him and said that it is God that gave them Donald Trump. You tell me which is the scariest. Many of you have written to me saying, David, isn't it obvious that Donald Trump's condition, whatever it is, is getting much worse? And I have to admit it's hard to deny. It is very difficult to deny. We know, of course, about Donald Trump's hands, which seem to be rotting. They are both now bruised, occasionally covered up with makeup. The explanation that it's from handshaking doesn't make sense. That would make sense if it was only the right hand, but it is not. It is the right hand and it is the left hand. Trump's rants have become increasingly focused on irrelevant minutiae. You know, it used to be Trump talking about toilets and power flushing and shower pressure, but now it's about grass. He continues to be sort of in this tunnel vision about irrelevant little things.

[Guest or Co-host]

In D.C. one of the things we're going to be redoing is your parks. I'm very good at grass because I have a lot of golf courses all over the place. I know more about grass than any human being, I think, anywhere in the world. And we're going to be regressing all of your parks, all brand new sprinkler systems, the best that you can buy, just like August said. No, it'll look like Augusta. It'll look like, more importantly, Trump National Golf Club. That's even better. But we're going to look. We're going to have all brand new.

[David Pakman]

Beautiful grass, you know, so the rants are increasingly about completely irrelevant menial things. And then also, Donald Trump is increasingly confused or unable to hear questions. Here was. I mean, this is weird. It's almost like his nurse helping him. Here's. Here's what they asked you, Donny boy. Melania. Helping Trump understand the question that he was asked. Thank you, Mr. President. I have two questions for you. First, after your phone call with Ukrainian President Zelensky today, do you plan to speak with Russia's President Putin in the near future?

[Guest or Co-host]

What.

[David Pakman]

What if he was with President Putin in.

[Guest or Co-host]

I will be. Yeah, I will be. We're having a very good dialogue. I settled seven wars.

[David Pakman]

And there it is, going from what is the question To I settled seven wars. Trump's also telling increasingly unintelligible stories and recounting irrelevant and confused anecdotes like the new he broke my ass quote.

[Guest or Co-host]

So getting back to why you got invited. So I'd get a call from the speaker and it'd say, sir, we have 16 hard nos. It's 4 o' clock in the morning and we have one of many bills, because this happened many times and it tended to be the same 16, 18, 19 people all the time. 4 o', clock, 5 o' clock in the morning. I Call them. I said, Jim, how you doing, Jim? Everything okay? Yes, sir. It's five o' clock in the morning. How are you voting for us? Well, what do you think, sir? Tell me, what should I do, sir? And he broke my ass. And they had about 16 others. That doesn't mean we don't like them, sir.

[David Pakman]

He broke my ass. And then finally, although we could do this all day, sadly, Donald Trump unable to walk in a straight line. In addition to walking in a really strange way, we now have numerous examples of where he just kind of wanders side to side, seemingly intending to walk in a straight line. So is Trump's condition getting worse? I mean, it's certainly not getting any better. Do we know exactly what the condition is? We don't. And I'm the first to acknowledge that, mostly because of the complete lack of medical transparency, propagandistic medical reports that read more like promotional materials than medical documents, and because of Caroline Levitt, who, when pressed beyond belief, will make some small admission about Trump's health that is obviously nowhere near the full story. That's what I know. What do you think is going on? Let me know. Scott Bessant reportedly threatened to punch an administration rival in the face. We're going to talk about it on the bonus show. We also have a new report card for the nation which shows that science scores are down, math scores are down, reading scores are down. This is not a Trump story. This is a much bigger story than Trump. It's really about. It's really, really about education and culture and a lot of other things. And finally, a lot of Joe Biden's infrastructure projects are finally coming to reality, but Trump is trying to slap his name on them. What a surprise. All of that and more on today's bonus show. Sign up@join pacman.com also leave a comment on my substack substack.david pakman.com what do you want to be covered on tomorrow's bonus show? Let me know on substack.