Interviewer (11:51)

Now, the President this morning said that talks are going well and that he's directed the military to halt and postpone any strikes on Iran. Iran State TV is reporting. I don't know if we can believe it was Iran State tv, but Iran State TV says that Trump capitulated. There are no direct or indirect talks taking place with the Trump regime. This is from a spokesperson for the IRGC and it is being run on Iran State TV with the Foreign Ministry of Iran claiming that President Trump's remarks on day five, halt to strike on Iranian energy infrastructure is a ploy to buy time for military preparations. What is your reaction?

Scott Bessant (12:37)

Well, I believe there are talks happening. That's the memo that I've received that, the briefing that I've received. I don't know how trustworthy Iranian State TV is. It's probably like a couple of liberal networks that come to my mind.

Interviewer (12:50)

But now the president this morning, there it is.

David Pakman (12:55)

So listen, I have to admit, as much as I despise the radical Iranian regime, they seem to have figured out why Trump said this. The Iranian regime believes Trump posted this falsely simply to try to juice the stock market and reduce energy prices. So what we have here is Taco Trump. Trump always chickens out, realizing that he has completely lost control of what he started. He's trying to figure out a way to undo the damage and. And Iran is saying no. Now, there is an optimistic scenario here. If you want to search around for it, you've got. There's a silver lining you can find. Even though Trump appears to be lying about the productive talks, if for whatever reason Trump is really backing off of striking these Iranian sites, that's still good, even if it's not because he got the win that he is claiming. Backing off the strikes is something we should all look at and say, well, that is good. And in fact, this entire thing is deeply unpopular. 92% of Americans in a recent poll want this entire Iran, Iran thing to wrap up. So it is a desperate Trump. It is a lying Trump. But maybe we can sort of cross our fingers and hope that Trump is slowly starting to come to his senses about getting out of this. Now, as of this moment, let's see, trading has opened now. Those stock futures were plus 900. The Dow is up almost 900 points and the Nasdaq is up 2%. So listen, I, I'm against the Iran thing in principle. I'm against the Iran thing because it is illegal the way that Trump has carried it out. I don't like what this is doing to energy prices. I don't like what it's doing to gas prices. I certainly don't like what it's doing to my mutual funds. And so I'm against Trump backing off for whatever reason. 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And Scott Besant goes, well, it's kind of both.

Scott Bessant (20:18)

We are taking out their missiles, their missile systems, and the factories that build those missiles. And now are the. General Kaine, Secretary Hegseth are leading a campaign to destroy all the fortifications along the Straits of Hormuz.

Kristen Welker (20:34)

Just to put a fine point on this, though, is the president in the process of winding down this war or escalating?

Scott Bessant (20:40)

Again, they're not mutually exclusive. Sometimes you have to escalate to de escalate.

David Pakman (20:46)

Okay, we have to bomb in order to save. And all of this stuff. It is. This is like some real 1984 type stuff. You know, war is peace and black is white, up is down. Think about what Besant is arguing, because it's completely incoherent. Logically, if escalation works, then the war is not really winding down. If the goal is de escalation, why would you be threatening to expand the war? And if we are both escalating and winding down at the same time, then what really is the objective here? Now what I think is actually going on is Trump's policy is so erratic. I mean, think about it. On Saturday, Trump said, we're about to bomb every Iranian nuclear facility if they don't, don't open up the Strait of Hormuz. And then this morning, Trump goes, hey, you know what? We had really productive talks, and I don't think we need to do the bombing anymore. And Iran's like, we didn't have any talks. What is this guy talking about? Trump is so erratic on this issue that Bessant doesn't want to be definitive because he has no clue what Trump's plan actually is. In the time that Bessant was getting makeup on for this interview, the entire policy might have changed. There might have been new strikes, or Trump might have said, we're leaving. This is how disjointed the entire thing is. So they want to keep both options open, claim progress. We're preparing for failure. We're also almost about to leave, but we're doing more strikes than ever. What? That doesn't really make a lot of Sense. Now, then the question of sanctions came up. And again, these are really good questions and it's great. I wish we could put them to Trump, but putting them to Besson is still interesting. If the point of sanctions is to prevent Iran from getting any money, then what are we talking about with the sanction policy and looking at money transfers? Like none of it is really coherent? Well, I don't know that Scott Besant understands it any better.

Scott Bessant (22:39)

So when we unsanction this, rather than the oil going to China, it can go to Japan, it can, it can go to Korea, it can go to Indonesia, it can go to Malaysia, it

Kristen Welker (22:47)

can go to Iran, too. I mean, isn't the point that the sanctions were in place to prevent Iran from getting any of the money? They will have access to some of them.

Scott Bessant (22:55)

Again, Kristen, you're missing the point. So please listen to me. They were getting it from China anyway.

David Pakman (23:04)

Scott Besson doesn't like it. Kristen, you're missing the point. Well, no, I think she gets the point. The problem with the question is Bessant doesn't like where it leads. He acts like it's a trick question. So he wants to shut down the premise of the question, which is a classic. When they don't like the, the, the framing, he can't reconcile what they are going to do with what sanctions. And then what is the point of a sanction in the first place? If sanctions are in place but Iran is still getting money, well, then they're not really being affected by the sanctions. Or is it that the goal is for them not to get money, but the policy is violating that goal because they're getting money anyway? It's totally incoherent. It is a, it is a verbal inkblot of non policy. And Kristen Welker seems to pick up on that. And it only gets worse. All right. Here's one more question that Bessant really didn't like. Would you raise taxes to fund this war? Because, like, you know, you've all been saying we have no money for so long and we've got to pay off the national debt and all this stuff. It must be the case that we can only afford this war if we raise money, right? Well, Besant doesn't like that one either. What a surprise.

Kristen Welker (24:19)

Would the administration ever raise taxes in order to fund this war?

Scott Bessant (24:25)

Again, Kristen, the terrible framing. I think that.

Kristen Welker (24:30)

Well, it's just a, it's a simple question that I think a lot of people have.

Scott Bessant (24:33)

It's a ridiculous question.

Kristen Welker (24:37)

Can you answer it?

Scott Bessant (24:39)

Why would we do that? That the. That we have plenty. That we have a trillion dollars. The. In this year's budget.

David Pakman (24:49)

He's glitching for the military.

Scott Bessant (24:51)

And President Trump, even before the conflict started, had said that he would like to further build out the military.

Kristen Welker (24:58)

So just. Is raising taxes under consideration at all? You're saying you have plenty of money?

Scott Bessant (25:04)

Not at all.

David Pakman (25:05)

Not at all. I thought we didn't have any money. I mean, you know, a central part of Trump's messaging has been, we're broke, the country's out of money. All these social programs are sucking us dry. We've got to cancel all the social programs. We've got to cut. We got to bring in Doge to start cutting everything because we've got no money. But then all of a sudden, it comes to war and there's plenty. We got a trillion bucks. Kristen, that's a crazy question. We got plenty of money for this war. So which is it? And unfortunately, this is sort of like, kind of sad. It kind of probably is what has been the claim from Republicans for a long time, which is, we never have money for social programs, no matter what's going on in the economy, but we always have money for war, no matter what's going on in the economy. Food stamps we can't afford, but missiles we can. This is a theme, this is a trend for Republicans, and it has been for a very, very long time. Remember when celebrating death was bad, Donald Trump cheered the death of former FBI Director Robert Mueller, who died over the weekend at age 81. Trump said something completely and totally disgusting. But that's not really what this story is about. What I want to talk to you about is how standards apply only to the other side. When you were part of maga, Robert Mueller passed away over the weekend. And Donald Trump posts the following. Remember, this is the sitting President of the United States. Quote, robert Mueller just died. Good. I'm glad he's dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people. President Donald J. Trump. Now, Donald Trump is not reacting to anything Mueller recently did. He's reacting to having been investigated by Robert Mueller years ago when Mueller was appointed special counsel. Now, remember that Mueller was hired to do the job. He didn't create the investigation. It wasn't Mueller's idea to look into Trump's connections to Russia. He was hired to do that job. He was brought in and he did the job. And Trump cannot move on. And now he is celebrating the death of Mueller. Now, just for comparison, Barack Obama also put out a statement, and it's a little different in tone and tenor Barack Obama said, quote, bob Mueller was one of the finest directors in the history of the FBI transforming the Bureau after 9, 11 and saving countless lives. He goes on. And that ends with Michelle and I send our condolences to Bob's family and everyone who knew and admired him. A little bit of a different vibe than the one from Trump. Now, what I want to remind you of is how after Charlie Kirk was killed, the right was all up in arms saying, you'd better not cheer the death of people, especially not Charlie Kirk. And of course, almost no one was cheering the death of Charlie Kirk. Some did acknowledge he was a terrible influence on American politics, but he shouldn't have been killed. And we denounce political violence and we denounce murder, but cheering the death? Yeah, almost. No, no, nobody serious was doing that. But J.D. vance still found it necessary to say the following.

Commentator on Charlie Kirk's Death (28:13)

But if you celebrate Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk's death, you should not be protected from being fired for being a disgusting person. If you're a university professor who benefits from American tax dollars, you should not be celebrating Charlie Kirk's death. And if you are, maybe you should lose your job or your university should, should face a loss of funding. If you are the kind of person who thinks that Charlie Kirk was justifiably murdered, sometimes the government can't do anything about that. But you know what can is, is civil society. And I've actually been gratified to see all these people standing up and saying, yes, we have free speech and yes, we have free debate, but if you're, if you're celebrating the death of young father, you ought to pay some consequences for it. And the.

David Pakman (28:56)

All right, well, listen, Trump is doing exactly that. It's not a young father, but Trump is celebrating the death of people. And they all seem to think it's completely and totally fine. They don't care. And it's because it only applies to the other side, not to them. Here's Scott Besant from that interview with Kristen Welker. She asked, do you think what Trump said was appropriate, especially given that Bob Mueller was a decorated military veteran? And Bessant goes, well, Trump's family was treated very poorly by.

Kristen Welker (29:23)

Ask you on a different topic about a post by President Trump from yesterday responding to the death of former special counsel Robert Mueller. He posted this quote, robert Mueller just died. Good. I'm glad he's dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people. Do you think it's appropriate for the President of the United States to celebrate the death of an American citizen? Someone Who's a Bronze Star, Purple Heart recipient and who served in Vietnam.

Scott Bessant (29:49)

Kristen? I was with the President, the Green Room at Davos, and there was a video playing of the. What may have been an illegal raid on his home at Mar A Lago. They are going through his wife's wardrobe. And I watched the look in his eye. And I think that neither one of us can understand what has been done to the president and to his family.

Kristen Welker (30:11)

But to the question of the president's post, I mean, Robert Mueller didn't order that raid. Is it appropriate for the president to celebrate the death of any American citizen?

Scott Bessant (30:21)

Again, Secretary, I think that given what has been done to President Trump and his.

David Pakman (30:25)

Yeah, you get the point. Bob Mueller was, of course, long gone when that raid took place. It has nothing to do with Bob Mueller. I mean, it's just a ridiculous reaction. Now, I'm going to translate Scott Bessant's reaction. I really want to keep my job. That's it. All he has to say is, no, that's not appropriate. But he really wants to keep his job and he's got to pledge loyalty to Trump. You don't understand what's been done to Trump. They were going through Melania's underwear. Yeah, but Mueller was gone at that point. It's nothing to do with Robert Mueller. Now, as a reminder, Robert Mueller was Bronze Star recipient, Purple Heart recipient, Vietnam veteran. Donald Trump got a letter about his ankles to avoid going to Vietnam and then mocked veterans, said he prefers soldiers who don't get captured ridiculing the late Senator John McCain and is now celebrating the death of a decorated veteran. There are no longer standards. There are no standards anymore. And all of this stuff about decorum, remember, they only care about it when it's about the left. When it's them, oh, Trump is plain spoken and he tells it like it is, and we should celebrate it. And he sounds just like the average person. Well, you know, I don't think the average American takes pleasure and cheers the death of others. Some do, but I don't think that's the average American at all. A lot of clothing brands today talk about sustainability, but our Fair harbor sponsor actually builds it into how their products are made. Fair harbor was founded with a specific goal. Reduce plastic waste by turning recycled plastic bottles into. Into durable, comfortable fabrics. Instead of treating sustainability as an add on, make it the core of the company and make it the core of how Fair harbor clothing is designed to be worn and reused over time. 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And of course, you start threatening Iran, you invade, you escalate, you lead to the Strait of Hormuz getting shut down, one of the critical kind of oil choke points of the world. So oil futures spike, whoops, and I apologize, I hit my microphone gesticulating there. Refining costs go up and this is where we're at. Plus 44% gas prices. That is what everybody is now paying at the pump. Now remember what we were told and what Donald Trump promised from day one, prices are going to come down. Cool. Okay, which prices? All of them. When? Day one. Did it happen? No. Trump understands business. So this is like sort of the right person that you want to have in charge. Who's going to be able to figure all of this out? Turns out if Trump does understand business, it doesn't really seem to be helping him in his role as President of the United States. Trump will stabilize the economy from the destabilizing presidency of Joe Biden. And yet gas prices were flat and now they're erratic and job creation was level and now we're losing jobs or creating no jobs. So that one didn't happen either. And so we take the promises and we compare them to what we have and we have a self inflicted geopolitical crisis that even if you don't care what's going on in Iran at the individual level is directly raising the costs of just about everything that you buy. And at the same time that this is happening, Trump is out there saying, we're winning, we're close to success, we're actually about to start bombing. I do want a Cease fire. I don't want a cease fire. We're not sending in ground troops. We are sending in ground troops. The other day, in a 13 minute period when Trump was talking to reporters, he took all of the positions I just mentioned, yes and no on cease fire, yes and no on ground troops. We're escalating versus we're winding down and many more. This is, you know, we could go into the whole dementia cognitive thing, but I'm not even talking about that. This is not survivable politically for Donald Trump, it's not survivable economically for the United States, and it's not survivable at a personal finance level for just the average American who is struggling right now, many living paycheck to paycheck. And the most incredible part is that this is all optional. This was not Covid or a comet or a sinkhole or a volcano eruption or whatever. This was optional. The tariff program was optional. This Iran war was optional. And what it is all leading to is higher costs for everybody. Even if you drive an electric vehicle, as some of you wrote to me and said, you know, David, I'm kind of laughing about the gas. Well, everything's going to be more expensive. The stuff you order online, the things you buy in a store, the products you depend on, groceries, it's all going to be more expensive, even if you drive an ev because it's mostly coming by truck and the trucks mostly are not electric. Now, again, we are doing one little thing, which is we're doing our Trump's Gas membership drive. This week we have discounted our memberships all the way down to what a gallon of gas costs. So if you think gas is now 394 a gallon, that's insanely high compared to what it was. But if you think a David Pakman show membership is now 394amonth, that's way lower than it normally is. So you can go to join pacman.com and use the coupon code Trump Gas, all one word and it'll drop the price down to 394, which is what a gallon of gas costs today. Now, let's talk about Trump's options. There's only a few and none of them are particularly good. Trump can escalate. This is one of the threats he's been making. Trump could escalate, which means more strikes. More threats may be targeting infrastructure facilities, energy facilities. And the risk there is that this is even worse for the economy, spikes oil and gas even more and opens up a broader regional war, which Trump will simply not be able to end. I think it's already gone beyond Trump's ability to end it when he wants. But if it becomes really regional, Trump will be like, just dead in the water as far as being able to decide when it's over. It might project strength, it might scare someone into compliance, maybe, but it almost guarantees things get more expensive for Americans. Things become more unstable, and it spirals completely beyond Trump's control. That's like the double down option. The other possibility is Trump pulls back even without winning. Now, as I've been predicting for weeks now, if Trump did that, he will declare victory. He will say, well, we did it. We've largely met our objectives and we're going to wind down. But now that the Strait of Hormuz is closed, if that issue doesn't get resolved and oil and gas remain high and markets remain unstable, the exit will look like Trump tucking his tail between his legs and going home the loser. And that's not going to be good politically for him. And so, based on his personality, I doubt that it's something that he would do. It would certainly undercut the premise of how he's so decisive and strong, which he has sold to us from the beginning. So where Trump finds himself, the reason why, in a 13 minute press conference, Trump goes, we're basically ending it. We're about to do more strikes than ever. We don't want to cease fire. I do want a cease fire. The Strait of Hormuz opening is the number one priority. Actually, that's not really what I'm worried about. The reason that's all happening is Trump is trying to thread a needle where he wants to threaten escalation in a way that will make people afraid, but also get people ready for the idea that he's going to leave, whether he has won or not, even though he will certainly claim victory. Now that we are weeks into this thing, can we all just acknowledge the right thing? The good thing would have been never to do this in the first place. And I think a lot of the magazine, my audience, would probably agree with that at this point as well. When you have nothing going well, what do you do? You just make up a poll. Donald Trump is now claiming that CNN released the poll showing he has 100% support. Not high support, not strong numbers, not growing support. Trump says, I have 100% support. Now, stop for just one second and think about how absurd that sounds, because there has never been a real poll in the American political space showing 100% support for anything political. You could Go, hey, do you support the unlawful vigilante killing of UPS drivers? And you would have some people who go, yeah, I do support that, actually. They always screw up my delivery. The point, the point is 100% consensus in the United States on anything, even the most obvious things. You just don't see it. And Donald Trump says, I have 100% support, per CNN show that MAGA is essentially unified behind you, as are Republicans when it comes to Iran. There's been reports that, you know, the United States might be sending 2500 Marines to the Middle East. Are you concerned that a move like that could potentially change the unity?

Scott Bessant (41:02)

I don't know. I seem to have great support because CNN came out with a poll today that I'm at 100%. And they said they've never seen a poll like that.

David Pakman (41:11)

The cnn, they've never seen it because there is no set.

Scott Bessant (41:14)

I'm at 100%. And they've never seen that before, which is an honor. I was, I was impressed that CNN would do that. But as far as troops are concerned, I can't tell you what we're doing.

David Pakman (41:26)

Mr. As far as the things that matter, who the hell knows? This is not how people work. People, a country of 340 million, and there's 100% agreement about something that, that is not even remotely plausible. So this is not like, oh, Trump's exaggerating a little bit. He's selectively interpreting the poll. It is completely made up. And the key is, when is it happening? The war is going terribly. Gas prices are up 44% in two months. What we're even doing in Iran is increasingly unclear. The messaging from the administration is falling apart in real time. And when that happens, Trump does what he always does, which is forget about reality. Let me give you something that sounds good for me and it's easy to Repeat. I have 100% support. This stands out because there's a number there that doesn't make any sense. You're not cherry picking or exaggerating. It just isn't. There's nothing. There's no data, there's no poll, there's no report. It is a completely fabricated claim and it doesn't even sound believable. The choice of CNN also gives it away because CNN is constantly dismissed by Trump and his allies as fake and untrustworthy. Now all of a sudden, CNN, even CNN, shows me with 100% support. So we have to understand how this is another classic of authoritarians, is something useful in the moment if it helps him, it's Real. If it doesn't, it's fake. There's a real poll right now which shows Trump at 34% approval. It's not made up. It's an American Research Group poll. American Research Group is a right leaning pollster and even they have Trump at only 34% approval. That's real. 100% support. And by the way, what does support even mean? 100% support from CNN. Now, I have a speculation as to what Trump was talking about here. I have, I have speculated. I don't know this to be true, but I'm speculating. A recent poll found that 92% of Americans want the Iran war ended. They don't like it. Is it possible Trump took the 92% number, which is a very high number, exaggerated it to 100, not really knowing what it was, and just put the tag on it that it's support for me, 92% opposition to the Iran war becomes, I am, I have 100% support. Is that possible? I don't know. Now, if we zoom out, it's important to consider what it means from the standpoint of propaganda and political communication when they stop arguing about what is actually happening. Are we sending ground troops or not? Trump goes, I don't know. Troops I don't know about. Well, you can laugh at it, but what I believe is happening in real time here is that they need to create an alternate universe because the real world has gotten so politically disastrous for them. And so we laugh at 100% support. Give me a break, dude. The point isn't to convince everybody. The point is give your supporters something simple and absolute that they can repeat without a second thought. He's got 100% support. And once you reach the point where the claims don't have to be believable, you know that it's all breaking down. The problem is this goes too far. 100% support. Give me a break. So what we need to be ready for as we go forward is for them to completely abandon even making a case about Iran. Step one is they try to argue this is good, and here's why it makes sense. Cool. Okay. Step two is for them to falsely claim that they are winning when they are not. All right, well, we got beyond that. Step three is to abandon that altogether. Troops? I'm not going to talk about that, but I got 100% support. This is the end stage of a political disaster and it is not going well for Donald Trump.

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Scott Bessant (48:30)

Brass, what about women playing in men's sports? That we could have a woman. Take your position. Is there a woman out there? I don't think so. You know, we're trying to end that. No, men. Think of it.

David Pakman (48:44)

Trump realizes he got the talking point wrong, and he tries to save men in women's sports.

Scott Bessant (48:51)

Maybe I'll put Landon in women's sports for a little while. How ridiculous. I mean, you know, they say that's an 8020 issue. No, no, that's a 99% issue. It's amazing. Thank goodness the Democrats keep pushing these things. Open borders.

David Pakman (49:06)

Yeah, no one's pushing it, of course. So it's absolutely funny to see, because he wrongly starts on women and men's sports, realizes that's not the talking point. No one gives a damn about women in men's sports, not even me being. Being Trump. So then he jumps and lands on men and women's sports, which is the talking point that he's supposed to be making. And in the middle of this weird, demented transition, the entire argument just kind of collapses into confusion because he's mixing together two different things. Now, what I think is fascinating about this is Trump knows the slogan men and women's sports. He knows the applause line. He knows it gets a reaction, but he can't really explain it. And what we ended up here was with. What we ended up with here is a reminder of how minor this issue is. Now, I'm going to say it again so nobody gets upset. I'm not arguing that we shouldn't care about the dignity and fair treatment of trans people. Of course I treat everyone with respect, and everyone deserves to be treated with respect socially and under the law. But what I'm reminding everybody is that this issue of trans sports is just not a real issue. But what about a trans boxer who's beating the crap out of a woman? It's statistically nonexistent. Okay? You look at the number of trans people in general under 1%. You look at the percentage of those that play sports at all, and then the ones that are doing it in anything that could approximate a competitive level, and then you go only to the sports where it matters. There are. There are segregated sports that don't really need to Be, you know, archery and equestrian. It's like, who cares? Compete wherever you want, I don't give a damn. But then when you slice and slice and slice and slice, and then you realize, wow, some states only have like zero to three trans athletes at all in the ncaa, then you have to remember no one even cares about women, quote, women in men's sports. If someone born female wants to play in the men's basketball league, Trump doesn't care. No, they don't care because there's no concern about fairness there. So when you reduce this, this is an issue Trump has ranted and raved about for years. Years. And it sometimes applies to zero, one or two people per state. There's a lot of states where there are zero instances of what Trump says we should be worried about so called men and women's sports. So Trump kind of glitching about it. There's a couple things that it relates to. One is that, yes, Trump's often visibly confused and disoriented and we don't know what the hell he's talking about. And I don't think he does. And he seems to be declining cognitively whether he has dementia or not. He can't even keep the talking points straight. That's one story. But the other story here is that the structure of this argument really just isn't there. Trump's repeating it as a slogan. It's not, it's not a policy. And as soon as he has to kind of improvise around it, we all go, man, this sounds really stupid. This like, doesn't really make any sense. And in a strange way, it exposes how much, how much of the issue is driven by, by messaging, the messaging of get men out of women's sports. It's meant to create an image of this 300 pound boxer pounding 110 pound woman or something like that. That's the imagery Trump depends on for anyone to even go, oh, wow, that sounds. But then when you actually break it down and you think about the sports and the divisions and men in women's sports versus women in men's sports, and you go, wow, there's some states where there's not a single instance of this. You realize that this is a vapid and baseless thing. So it's a reminder of how Trump's brain isn't exactly firing on all cylinders, but it's also a reminder of how absurd even continuing to talk about this as a political issue is. And I want to say just one other thing about it. For those who go, no, we need Trump to deal with this issue. Why? Sports leagues have dealt with this in the way that is appropriate for them for decades. Sports leagues have dealt with this issue as an issue of intersex individuals for a long time. They have rules, they have policies. Why do we need the federal government involved? And I thought a big part of these right wingers was keep the government out of anything. It doesn't absolutely have to be involved in. You're telling me the government absolutely has to be involved in regulating sports leagues that have been regulating themselves perfectly well with regard to issues of gender and sex for decades? Doesn't sound to me like conservatism, which they love to preach about. Oh, boy. She probably thinks Trump will like this, and I think he will. The question we need to answer as we watch Donald Trump's agricultural secret, Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins on TV is, did she suck up to Trump enough to keep her job? She went on TV and as we are seeing everything get more expensive as gas prices are up 44% in two months. Oil is up, energy's up, groceries up, everything's up. She went on TV and she said, almost all food prices are down. Couple outliers, but almost all food prices are down. Now, of course, that is not only untrue, it's not even close to true if you look at what people are paying in grocery stores. Fact check says false. But Brooke is performing for an audience of one. How does she do here on food prices?

Brooke Rollins (55:03)

This is a temporary conflict. The President has said that there shouldn't be really a food price increase, at least for the long term. Over the last year, we've bought almost all food prices down with a couple of outliers.

David Pakman (55:18)

That's a lie.

Brooke Rollins (55:19)

Dairy's down, cheese down, fruits down, Vegetables are down. A lot of the proteins are down. And. And we expect that trend to continue as we continue to invest in rural America, bring the cost of labor down, bring the cost of inflation down, work to bring the cost of inputs down, while opening up these world markets to our farmers, which were closed under the last administration.

David Pakman (55:40)

This is not true. This is simply not true. And you can look at it, you can look it up yourself. You know, bananas are up a little bit. Bread is up. Chicken is up a little bit. Eggs are up a teeny tiny bit. Beef is up. Milk is up. Not that much. Oranges are up a little bit. Oranges are very seasonal. Tomatoes are very, very seasonal. Electricity is up. Gasoline is obviously up. Utilities piped gas, natural gas is up. All of this stuff is up. Now, some of it is up more than, more than others. That's true. But the important reminder is we need to keep them accountable to their promise. Trump didn't say the price increases will slow down. Trump said that prices would go down in absolute terms. That requires deflation. We all know we haven't had deflation. When inflation has been between 2.4 and 3.9, that means prices are going up, not down. And she is really not talking to the public. She, when she talks to the public in this way, it's the Biden Harris thing where we learned in 2024, 23, 24. Telling people that everything's all good doesn't convince them when they're at home looking at their credit card statement and going, it's not all good. And they're doing the same thing with the public. But Brooke Rollins is really performing for Donald Trump. She needs to make sure Trump knows, hey, I'm telling him, you fixed it. You were right. You bought the prices down. If it doesn't match reality, it is secondary. They're going to have to deal with that in November with voters and, and I think they're going to fail to do so and they're going to get absolutely crushed. But the most sort of terrifying thing about all of this, I'm researching and writing a lot about this for my second forthcoming book. You can end up, a lot of us would look at this and we would go, wait a second, how could that be true? All nonpartisan media is simply reporting on the prices and the prices are up. I can go and research it for myself. I can look at the Bureau of Labor Statistics. They track pricing for all of these different foods. I know it's not happening. How could anyone believe that? Well, I'll tell you how people can believe that. If you mostly consume content inside pro Trump media bubbles, you only get fed stuff like this. You see clips of Brooke Rollins saying prices are down and influencers saying Trump saved us from high prices and Scott Bent saying prices are down and Trump saying prices are down. And bogus articles from right wing conspiracy websites saying prices are down. And so for a lot of us who either are in a different media environment or seek out the underlying data, that's the most important thing. I just pulled up the data from bls. We say, how could anyone fall for any of this stuff? Well, if all you get from your social media, your digital platforms is an algorithm that reinforces this right wing stuff that prices are down, you might actually get to a point where you go, I don't know, it sort of looks like prices are up at my local grocery store. But I believe the hundred people I've seen over the last week tell me that prices are actually down. These lies from people like Brooke Rollins land in an environment where everything you're being told tells you no prices are down. And even if your grocery bills tell you a different story, you say, it must just be my grocery store. It must just be my town or my state. Now, I don't believe that that works long term. And I think this is part of why we are seeing insane, insane, insane numbers for what Democrats may be able to do in the fall with the midterm elections. Based on direct experience, you couldn't possibly go into that polling place and say, I'm going to reward these Republicans because they brought prices down. That being said, you can get a lot of push to fall for this stuff if you are in a filter bubble. That only shows you people like Brooke Rollins going, we did it. Prices are down. Now. On the bonus show today we are going to follow up on what is happening at airports with tsa and Elon Musk is offering to pay TSA salaries. For now, the estimate for what it'll cost to build the golden dome has grown to $185 billion. And lawmakers are going to introduce a bipartisan bill to ban sports bets on prediction markets. Why that specifically, I will tell you. Join and get instant access to the bonus show at. Join pacman.com today starts the Trump's Gas Membership Drive. Every day we will discount memberships down to what a gallon of gas costs in Trump's America. Today it is $3.94. Go to join pacman.com and use the coupon code Trump Gas to get the discount. I welcome you into the ranks of membership. See you on the bonus show today. Sometimes you just want a good story on TikTok. You'll find short dramas, emotional, fast and impossible to stop watching.

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